Guilt.

[MLA]

[MLA]

It's parody people

[rock hound]

Other part of guilt that intrigues me. Someone goes to a doctor, and cannot be fixed, that is clear. (Works in mental and physical issues). There is no fix, but there is treatment to alleviate and to learn how to live with that there is.

And then, since there is no cure, and the problems don't disappear, the patient finds fault and guilt with the people treating him or her. The medications don't work, there is not offered enough time to help, all that.

Not talking about meds that really are wrong, or help that really is ineffective; then you do have to complain and take action. But some people will find fault with every treatment, because it does not bring them total relief or perfection. And then the others are to blame, when perfection or cure was never what was offered.

That last paragraph is Kate perfectly summed up.

['andersom']

It's parody people

I noticed when I saw the same head in the gluten free thing.

But before that, I did an  . He's good!

That gluten free thing reminded me of a time I ate in a vegetarian restaurant. It was a once and never again experience.
 

[MLA]

It's parody people

I noticed when I saw the same head in the gluten free thing.

But before that, I did an  . He's good!

That gluten free thing reminded me of a time I ate in a vegetarian restaurant. It was a once and never again experience.
 

['andersom']

Not all he does seems to be parody.

[Jack]

Other part of guilt that intrigues me. Someone goes to a doctor, and cannot be fixed, that is clear. (Works in mental and physical issues). There is no fix, but there is treatment to alleviate and to learn how to live with that there is.

And then, since there is no cure, and the problems don't disappear, the patient finds fault and guilt with the people treating him or her. The medications don't work, there is not offered enough time to help, all that.

Not talking about meds that really are wrong, or help that really is ineffective; then you do have to complain and take action. But some people will find fault with every treatment, because it does not bring them total relief or perfection. And then the others are to blame, when perfection or cure was never what was offered.

This seems to have shifted the discussion from guilt to blame. Outside of court, not certain guilt can actually be assigned to anyone unwilling to accept it, and the emotion not something to ever be assigned. 

[MLA]

What I learned at orientation, a week before my first class even started, is that guilt is a legal conclusion.  It doesn't even exist before the conclusion of trial.

 

[Jack]

Guilt is for the guilty.

[odeon]

Other part of guilt that intrigues me. Someone goes to a doctor, and cannot be fixed, that is clear. (Works in mental and physical issues). There is no fix, but there is treatment to alleviate and to learn how to live with that there is.

And then, since there is no cure, and the problems don't disappear, the patient finds fault and guilt with the people treating him or her. The medications don't work, there is not offered enough time to help, all that.

Not talking about meds that really are wrong, or help that really is ineffective; then you do have to complain and take action. But some people will find fault with every treatment, because it does not bring them total relief or perfection. And then the others are to blame, when perfection or cure was never what was offered.

I blame the shrinks for my Ass Burger.

['andersom']

What I learned at orientation, a week before my first class even started, is that guilt is a legal conclusion.  It doesn't even exist before the conclusion of trial.

 

That's legal guilt.

For me translation messes up things extra. The word "schuld" translates to "guilt" but also to "debt" and stuff in between. It is also found in the word for apologising; "verontschuldigen". So a lot more comes with it.

Guilt is wider than only the legal use, also in English isn't it?
One can be guilty of a crime, but not found guilty by a jury. (and vice versa)

[MLA]

One can be guilty of a crime, but not found guilty by a jury. (and vice versa)

Technically, no.  One could have committed the act that he or she was accused of committing, but absent a legal conclusion the term "guilty" would be incorrect.

This only matters in the rarified atmosphere of legal circle-jerks.  Nobody cares and the other usage is probably more common.  The point being that "guilty criminals" don't get off at trial.  They aren't guilty until after trial, and only if a judge or jury concludes that they are.

['andersom']

One can be guilty of a crime, but not found guilty by a jury. (and vice versa)

Technically, no.  One could have committed the act that he or she was accused of committing, but absent a legal conclusion the term "guilty" would be incorrect.

This only matters in the rarified atmosphere of legal circle-jerks.  Nobody cares and the other usage is probably more common.  The point being that "guilty criminals" don't get off at trial.  They aren't guilty until after trial, and only if a judge or jury concludes that they are.

That I get, and it is clear.

Meant that words have different meanings in different settings. In a psychological setting guilt will be completely different, depending on the mindset of the client mainly.

[Gopher Gary]

Guilt is wider than only the legal use, also in English isn't it?

Yeah, but Hubert doesn't want to talk about feelings. 

['andersom']

Guilt is wider than only the legal use, also in English isn't it?

Yeah, but Hubert doesn't want to talk about feelings. 

He should not be so afraid to share his turmoil.