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[Bastet]

British scientists have confirmed with DNA testing that an African tribe in northern South Africa that claims Semitic origins is telling the truth.

The Lemba, whose oral traditions state that their ancestors were Jews, practice customs that are remarkably similar to those of the House of Israel. They keep one day of the week holy, bless the new moon, circumcise their boys, slaughter meat in a ritual manner, avoid eating food with blood and do not eat pork. Some of the men wear yarmulkas (kippot), they strongly discourage marriage outside the tribe, and the custom of the tribe is to inscribe a Star of David on the gravestone of the deceased.

None of these practices are common among the peoples of Zimbabwe or South Africa.
The Lemba are also divided into 12 tribes, and among the Buba, the priestly class, was found the exact same DNA element as among those Jews of the priestly class elsewhere around the world.
A number of genetic studies have confirmed the findings. Initial research in 1996 indicated that more than half of the Lemba Y chromosomes (the male chromosome) are Semitic in origin. That study was followed by another in 2000, that reported more specifically that a significant group of Lemba males carry the “Cohen [Kohen] modal haplotype” (CHM) on the Y chromosome, which indicates the Y-DNA Haplogroup J found among Jews and some other populations across the Middle East.
The Buba clan carried most of the CMH markers among the Lemba, similar to other Jewish groups around the world where the males of the priestly class, the Kohenim, carry the CHM marker. Lemba tradition states that it was the Buba clan that had a “leadership role in bringing the Lemba out of Israel” and into southern Africa.
The oral tradition handed down among the Yemenite Jews is similar, stating that after the expulsion following the destruction of the First Temple, the Levi'im (assistant priests) and Kohenim fled towards Yemen; the group then split, with some continuing on towards the south, in the direction of Africa.
The University of London's Professor Tudor Parfitt , who spent six months living with the tribe, and 20 years researching their people, expressed his amazement in an interview this week with the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC).
“This was amazing,” Parfitt said. “It looks as if the Jewish priesthood continued in the West by people called Cohen, and in the same way it was continued by the priestly clan of the Lemba. They have a common ancestor who geneticists say lived about 3,000 years ago somewhere in north Arabia, which is the time of Moses and Aaron, when the Jewish priesthood started.”
The Lemba tradition states that their ancestors fled the Holy Land some 2,500 years ago, traveling first to “Sen'a” and then south to Africa. Their sacred prayer language is comprised of a mixture of Hebrew and Arabic.
The tribe, approximately 80,000 strong, lives in central Zimbabwe and the northern part of South Africa, and prizes above all its holiest object: the ngoma lungundu, “the drum that thunders.” According to tribal leaders, it is this, a wooden replica of the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, that connects the Lemba to their Jewish ancestry.
The oral traditions regarding the ngoma lungundu said it had been used in battles, and thus was rebuilt several times, possibly from original remnants, Parfitt explained. He added that the replica that recently went on display at the Harare museum, about 700 years old, is “the closest descendant of the Ark that we know of.”
The Lemba people of today, however, are Christians and Muslims, although many define their ties to Judaism as their “culture.”




http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/136374

[Bastet]

Humans didn't come till long after the supercontinent split up. Also Israel is in fact part of the same tectonic plate of Africa I know I know mla was trolling so let's latch onto that.

[Gopher Gary]

Sometimes I get a feeling that a lot of folks don't understand the enormous passages of time in our worlds history
In "Batman and Robit" Mr. Freeze rethorically asks "What killed the dinosaurs? The ice age!" and the action just continues, while lil aspie me went "what... ? no :I"
But sure, the ice age killed the dinosaurs, people come from Pangaea, and all this happened in the days of Abraham!

I'm just being ornery because it annoys me when conversations basically degrade into, hey we're all Africans because we're all from Africa and everything and everyone and everywhere was once Africa, or some such crap. I'm pretty sure everyone knows ancient aliens killed the dinosaurs. 

I know I know mla was trolling so let's latch onto that.

But I wanna. 

[ZEGH8578]

One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.

We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)

This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V

As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking

['andersom']

One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.

We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)

This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V

As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking

Were they fully christened?

According to one of my Church History teachers. I came from that part of the Netherlands were heathendom never fully stopped to be. Think he was right.

[ZEGH8578]

One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.

We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)

This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V

As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking

Were they fully christened?

According to one of my Church History teachers. I came from that part of the Netherlands were heathendom never fully stopped to be. Think he was right.

Well... we did adopt protestantism after a while, cus we needed to be continously forgiven by god for being unable to stop drinking, dancing and partying

[odeon]

['andersom']

^

You're dancing quite frantically, so early in the morning. Is that the effect of lots of coffee?

[Gopher Gary]

cus we needed to be continously forgiven by god for being unable to stop drinking, dancing and partying

Do you know why Baptists don't have sex standing up?



Because someone might think they're dancing. 

[odeon]

^

You're dancing quite frantically, so early in the morning. Is that the effect of lots of coffee?

It's the effect of this thread.

[RageBeoulve]

One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.

We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)

This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V

As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking

"We are all from Africa"

Actually that is being debated again. Its suspected that certain species of humans developed in the Americas BEFORE Asians crossed the land bridge. This happened separately from the eastern part of the world. Of course, its also being argued that the Asian settlers killed them/interbred with them all so it kind of becomes a moot point but the genetic material likely still exists in native-American and causoids.

[ZEGH8578]

One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.

We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)

This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V

As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking

"We are all from Africa"

Actually that is being debated again. Its suspected that certain species of humans developed in the Americas BEFORE Asians crossed the land bridge. This happened separately from the eastern part of the world. Of course, its also being argued that the Asian settlers killed them/interbred with them all so it kind of becomes a moot point but the genetic material likely still exists in native-American and causoids.

It's not like "a rule" that we have to come from Africa, it's not to please black people, or anything, we go where the evidence goes, and so far, it's huge fucking mess

Humanity, as we know it, does come from Africa, even species of human developing in the Americas could not be human, if they did not evolve directly from the African hominins that gave rise to all the basal humans continously streaming out of Africa

Meaning - the American human species... came from Africa! At least their ancestors did, and that's the point. Norwegians never came "from Africa", but their ancestors did - as in, a quarter of a million years ago.

Then there is the further mess of more-than-one migration out of Africa, probably more like innumerable, as we're dealing with a continous stream, rather than a "hey ho, here we go!" type exodus

I love how complex and chaotic it is, but it is unfortunate in terms of politics, because here people prefer easy narratives

[Al Swearegen]

And before that, we were stardust. Let's talk about where in the universe we evolved going back to startdust.

['andersom']

Don't know why, but your post made me ponder on a grand world wide re-shuffle. 

[ZEGH8578]

And before that, we were stardust. Let's talk about where in the universe we evolved going back to startdust.

Fiiine. Clearly, the moment of relevance is pre and post niggerdom