Amanda Knox, a sickening example of media and cultural bias

[odeon]

In other words, if you find a legal system of a country objectionable, you should not visit it? What if you aren't guilty, what if you didn't commit the crime but were convicted anyway? I don't know about you, but I sure as hell would like my country to act and help me.

Hell, let's just ignore everything that happens abroad, let's just let them do what they want and look the other way. Let's stop trading with them, let's just forget they exist.

Crimea situation solved, for one.

[Jack]

Hell, let's just ignore everything that happens abroad,

No, just hyper-focus on the US.

[odeon]

Hell, let's just ignore everything that happens abroad,

No, just hyper-focus on the US.

We already do. Where I live at least.

[Al Swearegen]

In other words, if you find a legal system of a country objectionable, you should not visit it? What if you aren't guilty, what if you didn't commit the crime but were convicted anyway? I don't know about you, but I sure as hell would like my country to act and help me.

Hell, let's just ignore everything that happens abroad, let's just let them do what they want and look the other way. Let's stop trading with them, let's just forget they exist.

Crimea situation solved, for one.

Well, that is a position. Not my position by a position.
Consider two minor media celebrities. One from Australia and one from US. Shapelle Corby and Michal Fay.
They chose to do the wrong thing in the wrong country to do it and suddenly it is so sad and such a travesty. Shapelle carries in a bogeyboard cover crammed with marihuana in Indonesia. Michael Fay decided to graffiti the walls of Singapore.
They did the wrong thing and knew they were doing the wrong thing. Whatever vicarious thrill they got was short lived because they were caught. Everyone up in arms because the law in both instances was "harsh".
Michael ended up despite huge protests and such, in getting a heap of whippings with the rottan.
Shapelle ended up doing some serious jail time. She was let out on parole recently with a lot of very strict prohibitions, especially in respect to talking with the media and selling her story...guess what she did? Now she is facing more jail time and she cannot bear it and is so hard done by....
Enough already. Why is the respective country's media so interested and why are people making such a fuss over losers like this. It is not even really up for question whether they were guilty or not, but rather how unfair it is that they are not either punished as per the country's laws that they came from or sent back to their own country.
No, no, no. I will not have. Do the crime and do the time. Regardless of anything else, you do X in Y country, then THAT country gets to punish you, by the laws in their country relating to crime X.
I have no pity. I also believe that celebrities ought not be afforded more right, nor the rich. Do the crime and do the time. It is fair and equitable.
That leads on to the next question, what if they did not? Then they ought not do the time. How do you determine that? By the court system there, same as they would in their home country.

[Jack]

Hell, let's just ignore everything that happens abroad,

No, just hyper-focus on the US.

We already do. Where I live at least.

Yes. That's why I said it. It's weird.

[odeon]

In other words, if you find a legal system of a country objectionable, you should not visit it? What if you aren't guilty, what if you didn't commit the crime but were convicted anyway? I don't know about you, but I sure as hell would like my country to act and help me.

Hell, let's just ignore everything that happens abroad, let's just let them do what they want and look the other way. Let's stop trading with them, let's just forget they exist.

Crimea situation solved, for one.

Well, that is a position. Not my position by a position.
Consider two minor media celebrities. One from Australia and one from US. Shapelle Corby and Michal Fay.
They chose to do the wrong thing in the wrong country to do it and suddenly it is so sad and such a travesty. Shapelle carries in a bogeyboard cover crammed with marihuana in Indonesia. Michael Fay decided to graffiti the walls of Singapore.
They did the wrong thing and knew they were doing the wrong thing. Whatever vicarious thrill they got was short lived because they were caught. Everyone up in arms because the law in both instances was "harsh".
Michael ended up despite huge protests and such, in getting a heap of whippings with the rottan.
Shapelle ended up doing some serious jail time. She was let out on parole recently with a lot of very strict prohibitions, especially in respect to talking with the media and selling her story...guess what she did? Now she is facing more jail time and she cannot bear it and is so hard done by....
Enough already. Why is the respective country's media so interested and why are people making such a fuss over losers like this. It is not even really up for question whether they were guilty or not, but rather how unfair it is that they are not either punished as per the country's laws that they came from or sent back to their own country.
No, no, no. I will not have. Do the crime and do the time. Regardless of anything else, you do X in Y country, then THAT country gets to punish you, by the laws in their country relating to crime X.
I have no pity. I also believe that celebrities ought not be afforded more right, nor the rich. Do the crime and do the time. It is fair and equitable.
That leads on to the next question, what if they did not? Then they ought not do the time. How do you determine that? By the court system there, same as they would in their home country.

I completely agree with you re "do the crime, do the time". According to that country's laws, too. Graffiti on the walls, marijuana, smuggling, murder, ... If you do the deed, be prepared to face the consequences and don't count on escaping because you are a foreigner.

But I don't necessarily agree with you as for the rest, because in reality, the court systems are sometimes lacking in the very basics needed for a fair trial. Italy, to discuss the matter at hand (not avoiding your Singapore/Indonesia examples but I don't know enough of either case or the court systems used to comment), has a system well known for its problems, yet the country is part of the western world and should be able to do better since people travel there all the time, for business, for holidays, for studying and more.

Amanda Knox may well be guilty but IMHO did not get a fair trial, and that's what I'm talking about here.

[odeon]

Hell, let's just ignore everything that happens abroad,

No, just hyper-focus on the US.

We already do. Where I live at least.

Yes. That's why I said it. It's weird.

It's very odd.

[Parts]

In other words, if you find a legal system of a country objectionable, you should not visit it? What if you aren't guilty, what if you didn't commit the crime but were convicted anyway? I don't know about you, but I sure as hell would like my country to act and help me.

Hell, let's just ignore everything that happens abroad, let's just let them do what they want and look the other way. Let's stop trading with them, let's just forget they exist.

Crimea situation solved, for one.

Well, that is a position. Not my position by a position.
Consider two minor media celebrities. One from Australia and one from US. Shapelle Corby and Michal Fay.
They chose to do the wrong thing in the wrong country to do it and suddenly it is so sad and such a travesty. Shapelle carries in a bogeyboard cover crammed with marihuana in Indonesia. Michael Fay decided to graffiti the walls of Singapore.
They did the wrong thing and knew they were doing the wrong thing. Whatever vicarious thrill they got was short lived because they were caught. Everyone up in arms because the law in both instances was "harsh".
Michael ended up despite huge protests and such, in getting a heap of whippings with the rottan.
Shapelle ended up doing some serious jail time. She was let out on parole recently with a lot of very strict prohibitions, especially in respect to talking with the media and selling her story...guess what she did? Now she is facing more jail time and she cannot bear it and is so hard done by....
Enough already. Why is the respective country's media so interested and why are people making such a fuss over losers like this. It is not even really up for question whether they were guilty or not, but rather how unfair it is that they are not either punished as per the country's laws that they came from or sent back to their own country.
No, no, no. I will not have. Do the crime and do the time. Regardless of anything else, you do X in Y country, then THAT country gets to punish you, by the laws in their country relating to crime X.
I have no pity. I also believe that celebrities ought not be afforded more right, nor the rich. Do the crime and do the time. It is fair and equitable.
That leads on to the next question, what if they did not? Then they ought not do the time. How do you determine that? By the court system there, same as they would in their home country.

I completely agree with you re "do the crime, do the time". According to that country's laws, too. Graffiti on the walls, marijuana, smuggling, murder, ... If you do the deed, be prepared to face the consequences and don't count on escaping because you are a foreigner.

But I don't necessarily agree with you as for the rest, because in reality, the court systems are sometimes lacking in the very basics needed for a fair trial. Italy, to discuss the matter at hand (not avoiding your Singapore/Indonesia examples but I don't know enough of either case or the court systems used to comment), has a system well known for its problems, yet the country is part of the western world and should be able to do better since people travel there all the time, for business, for holidays, for studying and more.

Amanda Knox may well be guilty but IMHO did not get a fair trial, and that's what I'm talking about here.

Agreed

As for a fair trial in Italy   They   convicted and sentence to jail 7 scientists for not  adequately  predicting and warning people of an earthquake months in advance that does say something about their legal system.  Link

Anyone ever watch Locked Up Abroad?  It will defiantly give you a list of places you don't want to go or at least to be very careful in. Link

[Jack]

Hell, let's just ignore everything that happens abroad,

No, just hyper-focus on the US.

We already do. Where I live at least.

Yes. That's why I said it. It's weird.

It's very odd.

There's probably a good psychology term for that, but can't think of what it would be.

[odeon]

Anyone ever watch Locked Up Abroad?  It will defiantly give you a list of places you don't want to go or at least to be very careful in. Link

Yes, I have watched it on occasion. I wouldn't dream of visiting most of those countries.

[Jack]

Yes, I have watched it on occasion. I wouldn't dream of visiting most of those countries.

In other words, if you find a legal system of a country objectionable, you should not visit it?

Yes.

[odeon]

Yes, I have watched it on occasion. I wouldn't dream of visiting most of those countries.

In other words, if you find a legal system of a country objectionable, you should not visit it?

Yes.

Not sure I understand why you choose to quote both of my posts, above.

[Jack]

Yes, I have watched it on occasion. I wouldn't dream of visiting most of those countries.

In other words, if you find a legal system of a country objectionable, you should not visit it?

Yes.

Not sure I understand why you choose to quote both of my posts, above.

Seemed to be answering your own question. Jack agrees.

[odeon]

Yes, I have watched it on occasion. I wouldn't dream of visiting most of those countries.

In other words, if you find a legal system of a country objectionable, you should not visit it?

Yes.

Not sure I understand why you choose to quote both of my posts, above.

Seemed to be answering your own question. Jack agrees.

It was something I asked Sir Les, really.

[Al Swearegen]

In other words, if you find a legal system of a country objectionable, you should not visit it? What if you aren't guilty, what if you didn't commit the crime but were convicted anyway? I don't know about you, but I sure as hell would like my country to act and help me.

Hell, let's just ignore everything that happens abroad, let's just let them do what they want and look the other way. Let's stop trading with them, let's just forget they exist.

Crimea situation solved, for one.

Well, that is a position. Not my position by a position.
Consider two minor media celebrities. One from Australia and one from US. Shapelle Corby and Michal Fay.
They chose to do the wrong thing in the wrong country to do it and suddenly it is so sad and such a travesty. Shapelle carries in a bogeyboard cover crammed with marihuana in Indonesia. Michael Fay decided to graffiti the walls of Singapore.
They did the wrong thing and knew they were doing the wrong thing. Whatever vicarious thrill they got was short lived because they were caught. Everyone up in arms because the law in both instances was "harsh".
Michael ended up despite huge protests and such, in getting a heap of whippings with the rottan.
Shapelle ended up doing some serious jail time. She was let out on parole recently with a lot of very strict prohibitions, especially in respect to talking with the media and selling her story...guess what she did? Now she is facing more jail time and she cannot bear it and is so hard done by....
Enough already. Why is the respective country's media so interested and why are people making such a fuss over losers like this. It is not even really up for question whether they were guilty or not, but rather how unfair it is that they are not either punished as per the country's laws that they came from or sent back to their own country.
No, no, no. I will not have. Do the crime and do the time. Regardless of anything else, you do X in Y country, then THAT country gets to punish you, by the laws in their country relating to crime X.
I have no pity. I also believe that celebrities ought not be afforded more right, nor the rich. Do the crime and do the time. It is fair and equitable.
That leads on to the next question, what if they did not? Then they ought not do the time. How do you determine that? By the court system there, same as they would in their home country.

I completely agree with you re "do the crime, do the time". According to that country's laws, too. Graffiti on the walls, marijuana, smuggling, murder, ... If you do the deed, be prepared to face the consequences and don't count on escaping because you are a foreigner.

But I don't necessarily agree with you as for the rest, because in reality, the court systems are sometimes lacking in the very basics needed for a fair trial. Italy, to discuss the matter at hand (not avoiding your Singapore/Indonesia examples but I don't know enough of either case or the court systems used to comment), has a system well known for its problems, yet the country is part of the western world and should be able to do better since people travel there all the time, for business, for holidays, for studying and more.

Amanda Knox may well be guilty but IMHO did not get a fair trial, and that's what I'm talking about here.

So who is the country that tries fairly? Who has the policemen that do not misuse their powers? Which law courts give no account to a person's social position and really are in the truest sense, fair?

I admit to a bit of cynic but if you say Italy is not fair, then at least their incompetence is transparent.