Okay hang on just a damn second.

[sg1008]

Is it okay to let go of that damn second, or are we still hanging on?

[Scrapheap]

Is it okay to let go of that damn second, or are we still hanging on?

[McGiver]

That's what they all say, man. Liaholics in denial.

but I've put all my faith in a higher power. I've let go and let god.

[Scrapheap]

Constitutional Peasants

[odeon]

You will not get a good society with communism either. Individual anarchism is the only society where the individual isn't oppressed

Not by the authorities, no, but by others. It is the theory of the strongest and the fittest, basically.

I don't see why anyone would oppress anyone more than in this system. In this system any psychopath who reaches a position of authority is almost guaranteed of getting away with oppressing others. Other authorities support an authorithy abusing its power.

In an anarchy there is no hierarchy and no monopoly on violence. Everybody who wants has guns. Thus no-one can simply oppress anyone else. If some people try to create a hierarchy and a monopoly on violence, it will be easy to stop them, if everyone is determined to do so.

The paradox is that everyone who says that anarchism is impossible projects the worst traits of the state on the anarchistic system, although in an anarchistic system there will be no such traits, because an anarchistic system doesn't have the structure that allows those kinds of things to happen.

Basic human nature, Lit. If you are stronger and you want something from the weaker, be it the weaker person's wife, land, possessions or something else, the weaker person will suffer. There's no built-in mechanism in an anarchy to prevent it from happening, especially if the weaker one cannot find a stronger allied. Guns or no guns.

It's yet another theory that does not work.

There are currently no anarchies of note, afaik, and there hasn't been anything sufficiently large or lasting, ever. You as a student of history should know that.

I won't bother you with the Somalia argument, since I happen to agree with you there. It's not an anarchy in that sense of the word.

[odeon]

This so called civilization is perverted. It is perverted deepest down, so if you remove the perverted things in it, it will cease to exist. But as long as you don't remove it, there will never be a real change.

I'm absolutely convinced that this sick system eventually will fall. But I'm also pretty sure that it won't happen during my lifetime. For "civilization" to fall globally, all economies must collapse worse than it has done in Greece, for instance.

The system will most likely prevail, in that it will continue to exist in one form or another for as long as there are larger groups of humans sharing space on the planet, but the individual states come and go.

[odeon]

In an anarchy that kind of people will be shot by the honest and good citizens. In this system that kind of people usually reach a position where they are untouchable.

Your view of human nature is quite naive. Humans may do a lot of good things for others, but it's all conditional and there'll never be 100% honesty and goodness from anybody in this real life world. What makes us human isn't just the good stuff but also the bad.

have you met me? I am 100% good and genuine.

Yes, people, McJ is the model after which the rest of us should be molded.

[McGiver]

The fittest can be overcome, quite easily, by the masses.

It is the species which adapts best to a changing environment that prevails.

["couldbecousin"]

The fittest can be overcome, quite easily, by the masses.

It is the species which adapts best to a changing environment that prevails.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade   

[Icequeen]

The fittest can be overcome, quite easily, by the masses.

It is the species which adapts best to a changing environment that prevails.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade   

Wow...those are some tough ass little Mofo's. 

[Lestat]

Quite. Resistant little bastards, they can survive hard vacuum, dump them in space, and they can survive it. It is likely that their cellular composition consisting of a large amount of the sugar trehalose is responsible for this. Trehalose is primarily a fungal product, a disaccharide, first discovered in ergot of rye, (Claviceps purpurea) sclerotia, the overwintering structures formed after parasitic replication in grasses. Trehalose appears to function as a cryoprotectant, preserving cell architecture after freezing and allowing the cell to bounce back alive.

[Jack]

The fittest can be overcome, quite easily, by the masses.

It is the species which adapts best to a changing environment that prevails.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade   

That's awesome.

["couldbecousin"]

The fittest can be overcome, quite easily, by the masses.

It is the species which adapts best to a changing environment that prevails.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade   

That's awesome.

  Further awesomeness ...

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile

["couldbecousin"]

The fittest can be overcome, quite easily, by the masses.

It is the species which adapts best to a changing environment that prevails.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade   

Wow...those are some tough ass little Mofo's. 

  Just read that they're also called "water bears."  The photo in the Wiki looks like a plush Muppet. 

[Gopher Gary]

  Further awesomeness ...

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile

Extremophile sounds naughty.