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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2009, 05:39:49 PM »
What I don't think people realize is that it takes nearly nothing to have the site shut down. It's shut down first, ask questions later, if they even bother to really ask or care. The ex has his own computer company so this is what we do day to day and I can back Odeon up on what he's saying. I know he doesn't need me too, but being in this business for 10+ years I know what he's getting at.

Carry on.
It doesn't take too much to restore the site from a backup, elsewhere either. Antagonising the membership with this callout does nothing to protect this site. If Odeon dealt with this in a more adult fashion (anyone thought of PM's - asides Camilla did hint rather strongly she did not want to be doing the newsbox etc...), the risk to the site would be greatly reduced.

Then what is the callout board for? It's for this purpose. Odeon had an issue, he called Bints out on it, she had a chance to respond. It doesn't put the site at risk. If anything, it probably helped the situation because if someone watching the server it's stored on flagged the site, they would see that the issue was dealt with.

of course you can restore from backups but why put us in that position to begin with? (not directing this specifically to Bints, I mean in general). What we have here works. There are few rules that are being asked of us. I don't see what the huge deal is to follow those rules.

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2009, 05:41:47 PM »
What I don't think people realize is that it takes nearly nothing to have the site shut down. It's shut down first, ask questions later, if they even bother to really ask or care. The ex has his own computer company so this is what we do day to day and I can back Odeon up on what he's saying. I know he doesn't need me too, but being in this business for 10+ years I know what he's getting at.

Carry on.
It doesn't take too much to restore the site from a backup, elsewhere either. Antagonising the membership with this callout does nothing to protect this site. If Odeon dealt with this in a more adult fashion (anyone thought of PM's - asides Camilla did hint rather strongly she did not want to be doing the newsbox etc...), the risk to the site would be greatly reduced.

Then what is the callout board for? It's for this purpose. Odeon had an issue, he called Bints out on it, she had a chance to respond. It doesn't put the site at risk. If anything, it probably helped the situation because if someone watching the server it's stored on flagged the site, they would see that the issue was dealt with.

of course you can restore from backups but why put us in that position to begin with? (not directing this specifically to Bints, I mean in general). What we have here works. There are few rules that are being asked of us. I don't see what the huge deal is to follow those rules.
Sometimes having the show costs more than dealing with things quitely. All Odeon's approach does is encourage more people to behave in a similar fashion - that is where the problem lies. Having a clear and quickly enforced TOS is more than enough to ensure the sites survivability. Hosts normally give a warning before taking action.

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2009, 06:20:05 PM »
Sometimes having the show costs more than dealing with things quitely. All Odeon's approach does is encourage more people to behave in a similar fashion - that is where the problem lies. Having a clear and quickly enforced TOS is more than enough to ensure the sites survivability. Hosts normally give a warning before taking action.

True. But I suppose the danger lies mostly with the fact, that a disgruntled user could exploit the TOS violation to retaliate against this site.
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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2009, 06:52:28 PM »
POOPIE FACE!! POOPIE FACE!! BINTY IS A POOPIE FACE!!

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2009, 06:54:50 PM »


neener neener!    :razz:
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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2009, 06:56:38 PM »
Sometimes having the show costs more than dealing with things quitely. All Odeon's approach does is encourage more people to behave in a similar fashion - that is where the problem lies. Having a clear and quickly enforced TOS is more than enough to ensure the sites survivability. Hosts normally give a warning before taking action.

True. But I suppose the danger lies mostly with the fact, that a disgruntled user could exploit the TOS violation to retaliate against this site.
In which case, Odeon is only encouraging them to do so.

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2009, 07:00:59 PM »


neener neener!    :razz:

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2009, 07:04:13 PM »


how did you know?  no uh!

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2009, 07:04:47 PM »
*wonders why she told someone today that she likes going to her forums because it's the only adult conversation she has all day*

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2009, 07:05:45 PM »


how did you know?  no uh!

I am so not horny right now :P

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2009, 07:08:17 PM »

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2009, 07:13:56 PM »


how did you know?  no uh!

I am so not horny right now :P

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He'll brush his teeth before kissing you. I mean I've heard he does that.  :-[
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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2009, 07:39:17 PM »
It doesn't really strike me as unreasonable that Odeon is pissed off.

I have seen it happen on other forums and it is a pain in the arse for the forum owner to then make a case to a forum host to allow him to keep his site and no-one but him will be allowed to be a part in the process. The will scrutinise the sites entirety and judge it one way or another and he would have to really go through a lot of unnecessary sycophantic begging and scraping - IF he can be bothered and IF they do end up NOT deciding it is not too much bother to keep the site.

Call him overly cautious or butthurt or whatever but what he is saying is dead to right.

He pays for the site and he will personally cop it if crap goes down. Us? Will will be inconvenienced if the site goes down and we then blame who?
I suspect we would all be blaming....Odeon for not getting the site back up.

Hadron carping on about all manner of weird shit is expected and I suspect would have had equal backing if Pyraxis was here because they like to take a contrary point of view.

It is pretty easy though and we enjoy this site and want it to enjoy and if that means posting the occasion porn where only trusted members can see it and otherwise leaving the rest of the board free only to non-porn it doesn't seem unreasonable.

If Odeon did not have these restrictions forced on his site because of the TOS he probably would not have said anything. I don't think he is prudish (or has ever struck me as so).

I think this site is unmoderated and free enough and have only been on a couple of sites with looser moderation and believe me they have a lot harder time in keeping their sites up. One of them is after a hell of a lot of investigation on their third host in 12 months for precisely this kind of thing and even AFF was bought down by Timelord after he merely insinuated irrelevant crap.

Don't understand the resistance here to appreciate this.

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2009, 07:40:28 PM »
Why must you always write such chunks of texts?

I'mnot arsed to argue about this all now.

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Re: Bint! WTF Were You Thinking?
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2009, 07:50:14 PM »
Why must you always write such chunks of texts?

I'mnot arsed to argue about this all now.

That is the way I write. Part of my charm.  :zoinks:

For what it is worth. I am not saying you are a bad person. Nor am I saying you are stupid for what you did. I think in this instance you were ignorant of the TOS and did something for laughs or whatever and did not think to consider maybe it may impact on TOS.

I am sure Odeon knows the TOS inside out and most of us don't. You may not have understood the implications and others may not. Having said this. If he does know them well and we don't then arguing with him about them seems as rational as arguing in other field or discipline of knowledge where you are short of facts and up against someone who knows them inside out. Just seems to set up a a big FAIL.

I kinda think Odeon did the board a favour in point it out. I think most of us want the site running.