Transgendered kids

[Adam]

What would you do if they discovered being a tran or gay was a mental illness?

lol, transsexuality is still technically classed as a mental illness. or was last time i checked. being gay was at one point as well. i would strongly disagree if it was claimed the latter was a mental illness again, but what do you mean what would I do? would I no longer think they deserve equal rights? of course not, I would still support gay rights.

[Untermensch]

Your gender is all in your mind.    It is something created by society, so it isn't really that important to me.   Worrying about what gender role box you fit into isn't really a productive thing to be concerned with... there are a lot of things that are more important in life.    I don't understand why people can't be content with what they are born with, as far as genitals go.

You look at brain scans which have been done of Male to Female transsexuals; it shows their brain structure is like that of a woman's as opposed to a man's.

Anybody knows of the case of David Reimer, who after a botched circumcision the doctors decided wanted to raise as a girl. These medical doctors preformed gender reassignment surgeries, hormone treatment and various psychological treatments to order to make this guy into a girl.

It was a total failure although, because when 'Brenda' as he was called grew up, decided to indentify as a male instead.

The transcript of the program I watched about this whole subject. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2813gender.html

It is all convincing to me that gender identity is in the brain and this gender indentity is set, when we are still in our mother’s womb.

[El]

Erm, lets check out some statistics:

• 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
• Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
• The next thing they wanted was proper support.

What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
[/list]

Where are those stats from?

[Soleiyu]

Erm, lets check out some statistics:

• 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
• Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
• The next thing they wanted was proper support.

What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
[/list]

Where are those stats from?

I've seen those statistics before. 85-90% of spectrum people are outside of work.

The only job I want is as Führer or superstar.

[El]

Erm, lets check out some statistics:

• 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
• Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
• The next thing they wanted was proper support.

What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
[/list]

Where are those stats from?

I've seen those statistics before. 85-90% of spectrum people are outside of work.

The only job I want is as Führer or superstar.

Very good, Soleiyu.  You have added immesurably to my faith in those statistics.  *pats Soleiyu on the head and gives him a cookie*

[Soleiyu]

Erm, lets check out some statistics:

• 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
• Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
• The next thing they wanted was proper support.

What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
[/list]

Where are those stats from?

I've seen those statistics before. 85-90% of spectrum people are outside of work.

The only job I want is as Führer or superstar.

Very good, Soleiyu.  You have added immesurably to my faith in those statistics.  *pats Soleiyu on the head and gives him a cookie*

I just commented on it, little american whore.

[Alex179]

Your gender is all in your mind.    It is something created by society, so it isn't really that important to me.   Worrying about what gender role box you fit into isn't really a productive thing to be concerned with... there are a lot of things that are more important in life.    I don't understand why people can't be content with what they are born with, as far as genitals go.

You look at brain scans which have been done of Male to Female transsexuals; it shows their brain structure is like that of a woman's as opposed to a man's.

Anybody knows of the case of David Reimer, who after a botched circumcision the doctors decided wanted to raise as a girl. These medical doctors preformed gender reassignment surgeries, hormone treatment and various psychological treatments to order to make this guy into a girl.

It was a total failure although, because when 'Brenda' as he was called grew up, decided to indentify as a male instead.

The transcript of the program I watched about this whole subject. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2813gender.html

It is all convincing to me that gender identity is in the brain and this gender indentity is set, when we are still in our mother’s womb.

The concept of gender identity is in the human brain.   Animals don't worry about it at all.    There are homosexual and bisexual animals, but they don't give a shit about their "gender".     Of course it is set, because people have these things called personalities, and that is all gender identity is.   People just choose to invent the gender ROLE system that gives people their gender identity.   It is sad that people define themselves by their gender.    A lot of male to female transsexuals take hormones so they of course would have similar brain patterns to a woman in that case.   They don't have to change their gender or their sex.   A person's gender doesn't have to match their sex imo.   It would be easier if they could find a way to be content with what they were born with regardless of gender.   

[Adam]

it's easier to give hormones/surgery then to change an entire person's brain.
And I don't think many people define themselves by their gender. It just becomes a huge part of what they are because they've had to suffer a lot because of it. Society places a HUGE emphasis on gender (more so than any other of the main identity bollocks IMO), it's just that most of it is very subtle and isn't noticed by most non-trans people, because it has no effect on them. Also a lot of transgendered people aren't transsexual and have no desire to change their body in any way

[Phlexor]

Just to be clear, I don't believe in hadrons wacky ideas even though I agree that parents shouldn't let their kids act out their trans in society until they are of legal ago to make their own choices about said subject.

[Christopher McCandless]

Erm, lets check out some statistics:

• 15% of HFA / AS people are in full time employment
• Most people on the spectrum when asked what would make a biggest improvement in their lives, said "a job"
• The next thing they wanted was proper support.

What I advocate is that we get a fair set of opportunities and treatment, like the vast majority of people on the spectrum want. Though of course you have to be a rebel and be Pete Burns, dont you?
[/list]

Where are those stats from?

The UK National Autistic Society.

[SleepyDragon]

Of course, some have to be awkward and buck the trend for no good reason.

It's so obvious, Haddy! They [we] exult in their [our] strangeness because it confuses and annoys you and violates your sense of decency and order. Inconsiderate bastards.  :lol:

[Adam]

Now this is a good example of PC bollocks:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8276255.stm

[benjimanbreeg]

Now this is a good example of PC bollocks:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8276255.stm

Sounds a lot like what you do actually.

[Adam]

Hi benjina, you big faggot 

['andersom']

Now this is a good example of PC bollocks:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8276255.stm

LOL, that brings back memories.

Years ago a picture of me and a fellow student appeared on the cover of a gay magazine.
The picture had been taken on a conference about feminism and gay issues in religion.
The friend got mad, because she did not want to be seen as gay.
And the magazine got mad, when they found out they had a cover with two women who both were in a straight relation.

The photographer and I had a great laugh about it.