The real problem with SJWism.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

... is that it has way too much in common with fascism of old.

Aneris at the Slymepit nails it pretty good here.

I don't see social justice warriors in the left corner at all, as I've argued before. Their main thing is authoritarianism and per horseshoe a couple of their beliefs are both far left, as well as far right-wingish (either they exist on both ends, or are connected to authoritarianism that works on both sides). Alan Moore is also anti identity politics, if you could state it as such (it's not like he talks about this a lot) and like all sensible people recognize that money and class have a far greater influence than skin colours or gender. A middle-class white family is roughly similar to a middle-class black family. The Social Justice Warriors have upgraded their views with the intersectionality idea, yet poverity and class hardly are an issue. It's almost always gender+skin. That already makes them very different from the original left.

I would think that if I was a corporate right wing mogul, I'd be happy to have those Social Justice Warriors help me out. There is no better thing than making the old complain about the young, and the young complain about the privileges (and penson funds) of the old. And making the have-nots being cross with the have-a-littles, and the white versus the blacks, and the women against the men. Because then they all overlook that they have relatively little influence and opportunities, which is mostly granted with money and class. If you break everything down into smaller and smaller identity categories, you create a nice tribal landscape, and the 99% versus the 1% issue becomes invisible.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

At first I thought this video was a little conspiracy-theorist BS but everything he says checks out on wikipedia.

[sg1008]

I don't think many socialists realise that Marx was actually FOR capitalism. He was sure it would eventually fail, and that when - and only after - capitalism burned itself out, then socialism would take its place and everyone would demand the fruits of their labor. Then after it became clear that some people would couldn't work as hard were left out (disabled, sick, etc), then socialism would fail and communism would take its place.

BUT he was sure that this would only occur after capitalism could generate enough capital...but he didn't bank on governments saving capitalism from itself (such as the recent govt bail out)...and he didn't expect communism or socialism to take hold in developing countries...

Typical enlightenment thinker...trying to plan out the future of society like a machine.

[Jack]

Typical enlightenment thinker...

Typical idealist daydreamer.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

I don't think many socialists realise that Marx was actually FOR capitalism. He was sure it would eventually fail, and that when - and only after - capitalism burned itself out, then socialism would take its place and everyone would demand the fruits of their labor. Then after it became clear that some people would couldn't work as hard were left out (disabled, sick, etc), then socialism would fail and communism would take its place.

BUT he was sure that this would only occur after capitalism could generate enough capital...but he didn't bank on governments saving capitalism from itself (such as the recent govt bail out)...and he didn't expect communism or socialism to take hold in developing countries...

Typical enlightenment thinker...trying to plan out the future of society like a machine.

 

No, Marx wasn't an enlightenment thinker, he was a utopian.

[sg1008]

I don't think many socialists realise that Marx was actually FOR capitalism. He was sure it would eventually fail, and that when - and only after - capitalism burned itself out, then socialism would take its place and everyone would demand the fruits of their labor. Then after it became clear that some people would couldn't work as hard were left out (disabled, sick, etc), then socialism would fail and communism would take its place.

BUT he was sure that this would only occur after capitalism could generate enough capital...but he didn't bank on governments saving capitalism from itself (such as the recent govt bail out)...and he didn't expect communism or socialism to take hold in developing countries...

Typical enlightenment thinker...trying to plan out the future of society like a machine.

 

No, Marx wasn't an enlightenment thinker, he was a utopian.

Yes a bit of a utopian, but he also held fast to enlightenment ideals of science and individual freedom (esp "workmanship ideal"). He did not suggest that communism could be forcibly instated, but rather theorised that it would be the natural end of capitalism. He was a product of his time, an enlightenment thinker indeed.

[MLA]

 

[Al Swearegen]

The way I see the SJW thing is that it is simply a product of a number of cultural forces.
In days gone by, there was a driving need for practicalities, traditionalism, work ethic, being stoic, strong, conservative, tough and self-sustaining. These types of attributes served the society well and whilst they may  be considered "right wing" were actually held by people of all political flavours. It was just what was valued in society and what society needed in times of hardship.
In "fatter" times. People (as a society or culture) get morally lazier. Their ability to be self-sustaining or tough or stoic, wains. They become vulnerable and weak. The society becomes reliant on outrage and victim cultures. People are drives to acting PC not to enrage the sensitives tulips among us.
Unfortunately, once you start marching down such a path, you find that what upsets you may not be upsetting someone else and visa versa. So the bar is set to rest at the lowest denominator.
At work I frequently have to carry very heavy items. (No complaints. I have dropped a lot of weight and put on a Hell of a lot of muscle.) BUT I have been frequently told that in doing so I break the rules because according to the guidelines, I must lift no more than what the weakest person could comfortably carry.
It is all counter productive.
It is this mentality. Once you get a lot of people playing the victim olympics, you are setting yourself up for a fall.
People need to have a bit of ticker. A sense of self and agency.
I am a single Dad now. (I can finally call myself that). My daughter is not a Feminist. I am teaching her agency and self-esteem. She will never be in a position where she is blindsided by Feminism. She is smart and aware of identity politics She will never be anyone's victim.

["couldbecousin"]

The way I see the SJW thing is that it is simply a product of a number of cultural forces.
In days gone by, there was a driving need for practicalities, traditionalism, work ethic, being stoic, strong, conservative, tough and self-sustaining. These types of attributes served the society well and whilst they may  be considered "right wing" were actually held by people of all political flavours. It was just what was valued in society and what society needed in times of hardship.
In "fatter" times. People (as a society or culture) get morally lazier. Their ability to be self-sustaining or tough or stoic, wains. They become vulnerable and weak. The society becomes reliant on outrage and victim cultures. People are drives to acting PC not to enrage the sensitives tulips among us.
Unfortunately, once you start marching down such a path, you find that what upsets you may not be upsetting someone else and visa versa. So the bar is set to rest at the lowest denominator.
At work I frequently have to carry very heavy items. (No complaints. I have dropped a lot of weight and put on a Hell of a lot of muscle.) BUT I have been frequently told that in doing so I break the rules because according to the guidelines, I must lift no more than what the weakest person could comfortably carry.
It is all counter productive.
It is this mentality. Once you get a lot of people playing the victim olympics, you are setting yourself up for a fall.
People need to have a bit of ticker. A sense of self and agency.
I am a single Dad now. (I can finally call myself that). My daughter is not a Feminist. I am teaching her agency and self-esteem. She will never be in a position where she is blindsided by Feminism. She is smart and aware of identity politics She will never be anyone's victim.

  I'm completely baffled by that.  WTF?!  The whole blessing of our physical and mental diversity is that
  each of us can contribute according to his own abilities.  How is it a bad thing that your workplace
  has a tough little dude to pull the heavy weight when needed?  That's just plain dumb. 

[Yuri Bezmenov]

How is it a bad thing that your workplace has a tough little dude to pull the heavy weight when needed?  That's just plain dumb. 

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