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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Scrapheap on May 31, 2007, 11:01:00 PM
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The Upper class is crushing the Middle and Working classes with skyrocketing housing prices, fuel prices and outsourcing (and insourcing).
How much more of this shit should we take before an armed revolt??
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The Upper class is crushing the Middle and Working classes with skyrocketing housing prices, fuel prices and outsourcing (and insourcing).
How much more of this shit should we take before an armed revolt??
Look, I could put untolled amounts of bile into this argument, but I have to keep concentrating on building my heap of wealth.
Let me know when you get out of the queue.
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
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Yeah We need a War.
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
I'm poor but I'm not stupid, I just have more important priorities than money in my life.
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scrap, i think that we will take it for another 13 months.
summer 2008 is when the shit will hit the fan.
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scrap, i think that we will take it for another 13 months.
summer 2008 is when the shit will hit the fan.
Why Grasshopper?
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The End of the World comes.
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not quite.
but for some.
that is all i am at liberty to say. think of it as a cliffhanger.
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not quite.
but for some.
that is all i am at liberty to say. think of it as a cliffhanger.
yes, Calandale.
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not quite.
but for some.
that is all i am at liberty to say. think of it as a cliffhanger.
yes, Calandale.
funny how the old standby putdown has changed. we used to just call people an NT.
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not quite.
but for some.
that is all i am at liberty to say. think of it as a cliffhanger.
yes, Calandale.
funny how the old standby putdown has changed. we used to just call people an NT.
Why settle for NT when you can go full blown EMO? :laugh:
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not quite.
but for some.
that is all i am at liberty to say. think of it as a cliffhanger.
yes, Calandale.
funny how the old standby putdown has changed. we used to just call people an NT.
Why settle for NT when you can go full blown EMO? :laugh:
or just, ok flo!
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scrap, i think that we will take it for another 13 months.
summer 2008 is when the shit will hit the fan.
Do you think Hitllery will be elected??
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
I'm poor but I'm not stupid, I just have more important priorities than money in my life.
Obviously. I too am poor. But, those who care little about money
aren't likely to risk armed revolt for the sake of some. Things have
to get pretty damned bad for a rebellion to occur due to lack of
material goods.
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
I'm poor but I'm not stupid, I just have more important priorities than money in my life.
Obviously. I too am poor. But, those who care little about money
aren't likely to risk armed revolt for the sake of some. Things have
to get pretty damned bad for a rebellion to occur due to lack of
material goods.
I agree but it isn't always stupidity that stops them from doing so, more that some place importance on things other than money.
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It would be really nice if we formed some kind of a less corrupt government but I do not make a habit of hoping for things that probably arent going to happen.
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It would be really nice if we formed some kind of a less corrupt government but I do not make a habit of hoping for things that probably arent going to happen.
Always wondered about the whole power corrupts,
absolute power corrupts absolutely thing. If one actually
were an absolute ruler, how could they be corrupted?
Whatever they will is the good, after all.
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absolute power corrupts absolutely states a tendancy about humanity. Absolute power doesnt not corrupt asbsolute ALL the time. There have been benevolent(relatively) dictators before. But the vast majority of absolute rulers have corrupted. It has to do with the fact that most of the people who have the motivation to actually take over a large group of people are not the type of people who are doing it to be benevolent.
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It would be really nice if we formed some kind of a less corrupt government but I do not make a habit of hoping for things that probably arent going to happen.
Always wondered about the whole power corrupts,
absolute power corrupts absolutely thing. If one actually
were an absolute ruler, how could they be corrupted?
Whatever they will is the good, after all.
I bet your Philosophy 101 teacher LOVED you. ::)
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It would be really nice if we formed some kind of a less corrupt government but I do not make a habit of hoping for things that probably arent going to happen.
Always wondered about the whole power corrupts,
absolute power corrupts absolutely thing. If one actually
were an absolute ruler, how could they be corrupted?
Whatever they will is the good, after all.
I bet your Philosophy 101 teacher LOVED you. ::)
In what sense? :eyebrows:
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I started this thread, because like McJ, I have a passion for the well-being of the working class. I believe that we are Western Civilizations Miners Canary. If we fall into poverty, then the middle class will be right behind us.
The weakness of Capitalism is that it soonser or later devolves into Feudalism. I don't want to live to see that day happen.
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
:agreed: :plus:
Just read "1984" and you'll see how tremendously sadly true this is. :(
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
:agreed: :plus:
Just read "1984" and you'll see how tremendously sadly true this is. :(
I'm thinking that's why the ruling elites in America want to import all these poor uneducated Mexicans ino our country. The locals are wising up and demanding higher wages and this is how they counter-punch.
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
:agreed: :plus:
Just read "1984" and you'll see how tremendously sadly true this is. :(
I'm thinking that's why the ruling elites in America want to import all these poor uneducated Mexicans ino our country. The locals are wising up and demanding higher wages and this is how they counter-punch.
I think that's kind of the same reason why they drag the Muslims etc. into Europe. We are being "taught" to show "sympathy" for "multiculture", among other things by paying higher and higher taxes, while in fact, they make the European workers powerless and calling every opposition against 50000 new immigrants/year in a country like Sweden (which would be like 1,500,000 new immigrants each year into the US, legally!) for "racism" and "neo-nazism".
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A factoid Europe is losing its population since child birth rates are down.
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True, but they should better encourage people to get more children than taking people from non-western countries here. The tensions in society are constantly growing.
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BREED!
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Yeah, more people always REDUCES tensions.
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
I'm poor but I'm not stupid, I just have more important priorities than money in my life.
That sounds like what Jesus said and they nailed him to the cross! :laugh:
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Yeah, more people always REDUCES tensions.
No, I just said if we should raise the amount of people in Europe. Every Swedish couple gets about 2 children, which I think is absolutely enough. In some southern European countries they just get little over 1 child, which is funny, because they're Catholics or Orthodox and we are Lutheran Protestants. The numbers should be reversed if they followed what their church tells them but it isn't. But yet the govermnent drags Arabs, Kurds, Turks, Albanians, Yugoslavs, etc etc to Sweden...
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
I'm poor but I'm not stupid, I just have more important priorities than money in my life.
That sounds like what Jesus said and they nailed him to the cross! :laugh:
Wasn't getting nailed on the cross one of his goals though?
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
I'm poor but I'm not stupid, I just have more important priorities than money in my life.
That sounds like what Jesus said and they nailed him to the cross! :laugh:
Wasn't getting nailed on the cross one of his goals though?
Perfect example of your inability to see humour. I was making a joke without any intention of discussing the theory of Jesus's intentions or insulting PI's statement.
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
I'm poor but I'm not stupid, I just have more important priorities than money in my life.
That sounds like what Jesus said and they nailed him to the cross! :laugh:
Wasn't getting nailed on the cross one of his goals though?
Perfect example of your inability to see humour. I was making a joke without any intention of discussing the theory of Jesus's intentions or insulting PI's statement.
I disagree. I saw your humor, and apparently made
a 'joke' which wasn't funny. Seems to happen pretty
often.
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The poor are inherently stupid. It's what makes the
system work.
I'm poor but I'm not stupid, I just have more important priorities than money in my life.
That sounds like what Jesus said and they nailed him to the cross! :laugh:
I don't see what a fictional character has to do with this debate. >:D
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Seriously though- I'm not trying to be a pretentious twat when I say that I don't give money top priority in my life- I'm perfectly happy being a slacker, when the kids are old enough for me to go back to work I want the kind of job that allows me plenty of free time to follow my interests and that I can jack in if the people there irritate me enough. Of course money has some level of importance in my life, but I don't chase it so I can buy more and more things.
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not even a larger 'toy' bag?
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I never said more people was a good idea, I just love the image of glaring at people and yelling, BREED! at them.
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I never said more people was a good idea, I just love the image of glaring at people and yelling, BREED! at them.
while holding up a poster with flo's image on it and saying, "but for the love of god, not with this guy!"
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I never said more people was a good idea, I just love the image of glaring at people and yelling, BREED! at them.
while holding up a poster with flo's image on it and saying, "but for the love of god, not with this guy!"
:laugh: Yeah, but to breed, you have to have sex....who is going to go there?
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I never said more people was a good idea, I just love the image of glaring at people and yelling, BREED! at them.
while holding up a poster with flo's image on it and saying, "but for the love of god, not with this guy!"
:laugh: Yeah, but to breed, you have to have sex....who is going to go there?
according to him the bitches are all over him. i have yet to see evidence of his charm.
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I never said more people was a good idea, I just love the image of glaring at people and yelling, BREED! at them.
while holding up a poster with flo's image on it and saying, "but for the love of god, not with this guy!"
:laugh: Yeah, but to breed, you have to have sex....who is going to go there?
according to him the bitches are all over him. i have yet to see evidence of his charm.
Are you serious?
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yes.
everywhere he goes they are all over him. every little chick-a-dee.
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yes.
everywhere he goes they are all over him. every little chick-a-dee.
bee bee bee bee bee. :laugh:
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True, but they should better encourage people to get more children than taking people from non-western countries here. The tensions in society are constantly growing.
I agree.
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True, but they should better encourage people to get more children than taking people from non-western countries here. The tensions in society are constantly growing.
I agree.
They should euthanize anyone
willing to breed, and execute
the immigrants at the border.
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The Upper class is crushing the Middle and Working classes with skyrocketing housing prices, fuel prices and outsourcing (and insourcing).
How much more of this shit should we take before an armed revolt??
Well, let's see, housing is part of the housing boom that occurred a while back and really not so much an issue of rich people as a lot of people wanting houses. A way to get past that is to choose an apartment or even just trying to cut back in house size as I think that house size has gotten bigger. Fuel prices? I would try to push for better bus transportation and carpooling or some such as gas prices are not likely to get incredibly lower, in fact, if you believe in global warming it would be better that they get higher anyway in order to push for less consumption. Outsourcing? Well, outsourcing is bad for the poor in this nation but generally considered a boon for the poor in other nations and an improvement in efficiency as well as increase in competition. The possible issue with that is that it takes good factory jobs, but it must be recognized that other trends are pushing wages down on that issue such as the growth of technology that can do many tasks.
I would have to go with "a lot more" in this case. Civil wars are incredibly costly and most of the possible gains would be erased by the possible losses. Not only that but a lot of the trends are somewhat impersonal and although they benefit the rich they are not purely a matter of class warfare as the outsourcing issue is actually credited with decreasing world inequality. Finally, what happens when we revolt? What basis do we use for power, for order, for economic distribution? A working class revolution is somewhat likely to end in some form of communo-fascist system full of corruption, the reason being that the classes brought in tend to value most freedom less highly and do not share the more libertarian ideas of the upper classes(I mean, it is not the elites that hate the gays GW is doing it to suck up to his less wealthy constituents as the man himself has in the past stated a belief in Civil Unions), not only that but most revolutions end up being hi-jacked, or screwing up really badly: the largest reason the American revolution worked is because it wasn't revolutionary and even it had shit. I would say that the real issue ends up being what we do in order to deal with these changes: gas issues need to be dealt with through transportation improvements, housing probably needs to go its own course somewhat unless monopoly power is an issue, really though, if you want a house just go to Detroit, they have houses there cheaper than cars! But seriously, another way to deal with things is to live the college way and get roommates as I think our much poorer ancestors in the Industrial Revolution had to, and for outsourcing issues I would see the real problem at stake to be trying to adapt our worker population in order to deal with the complex changes, after all educated labor is being paid at a relatively high premium.
I started this thread, because like McJ, I have a passion for the well-being of the working class. I believe that we are Western Civilizations Miners Canary. If we fall into poverty, then the middle class will be right behind us.
The weakness of Capitalism is that it soonser or later devolves into Feudalism. I don't want to live to see that day happen.
The issue with that is that people of the past probably said that about the farmer. Strangely enough I don't see our society being purely agricultural and rather see us just shelling out money to pay for these folks to not grow crops. What is the real issue is that we are going through a revolutionary age in many ways. The computer is hitting us sort of like the factory did in changing how we deal with the world, the rise of trade is causing more competition for jobs, which as I stated is actually decreasing the inequality of the much larger system that is now being created but increasing the inequality within nations. The world is changing in a fundamental way I think, even if we did not have outsourcing the rise of computer technology is also going to hurt some of the jobs.
Possibly it does become feudalism, possibly it doesn't. I know that Marx argued that it would, however, the issue is that even though there is a recent slide in wealth at the bottom, the net effects of capitalism over the ages tends to be positive. To fully fall into feudalism, I think that a lot more work would have to be done to deal with labor mobility, which has almost undoubtedly increased since past ages, and to increase poverty significantly as it is also notable that our concept of what we need has gone up rather than down with time.
I'm thinking that's why the ruling elites in America want to import all these poor uneducated Mexicans ino our country. The locals are wising up and demanding higher wages and this is how they counter-punch.
I think that the real issue with Mexican labor is one of difficulty in keeping them out, and the idea that people should be free to deal with whomever they want. Mexican labor really cannot do much of the labor that we need or commonly find as many jobs today require English speakers.
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One can never have too many wars, I guess.
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True, but they should better encourage people to get more children than taking people from non-western countries here. The tensions in society are constantly growing.
I agree.
They should euthanize anyone
willing to breed, and execute
the immigrants at the border.
Yes President, if you say so.
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True, but they should better encourage people to get more children than taking people from non-western countries here. The tensions in society are constantly growing.
I agree.
They should euthanize anyone
willing to breed, and execute
the immigrants at the border.
I just said that they should rather raise the amounts of Swedes, although if they're cowardly, than drag Muslims in instead. But I'd also like to see "mankind" extinguished from this Earth. :angel:
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I'd also like to see "mankind" extinguished from this Earth. :angel:
great idea - are you volunteering to be first? :angel:
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I'd also like to see "mankind" extinguished from this Earth. :angel:
great idea - are you volunteering to be first? :angel:
That would be a waste. The more of us willing to work
towards such a noble end, the better.
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An Awsomelyglorious post!!!
Hey Ag, I'm in the process of a move right now, so I'll respond to you post in the next few days. 8)
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An Awsomelyglorious post!!!
Yes, yes it is.
Hey Ag, I'm in the process of a move right now, so I'll respond to you post in the next few days. 8)
No problem, mostly it is just an assertion that the power theory is not the major reason, although some will argue that but rather that a lot of it is due to market changes that need to be adapted to rather than revolutioned out of, with an argument thrown in that revolutions tend to not do well.
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scrap, i think that we will take it for another 13 months.
summer 2008 is when the shit will hit the fan.
Boy howdy
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... we need the space,
LET'S HAVE A WAR!!!
Clean out this place!!
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The Upper class is crushing the Middle and Working classes with skyrocketing housing prices, fuel prices and outsourcing (and insourcing).
How much more of this shit should we take before an armed revolt??
What can I say, I came too soon, :nomakened: like 15 years too soon. :dunno:
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It's time to start a war!
Ask Donald Trump about his mother!!!!!!
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The Upper class is crushing the Middle and Working classes with skyrocketing housing prices, fuel prices and outsourcing (and insourcing).
How much more of this shit should we take before an armed revolt??
What can I say, I came too soon, :nomakened: like 15 years too soon. :dunno:
We really should be heading towards a revolution. But somehow we (the working class and middle class) have ended up squabbling among ourselves rather than building guillotines. And too many of us have been drinking the right-wing kook-aid.