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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Tom/Mutate on April 11, 2007, 11:42:27 PM
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I have always considered myself as a liberal democrat but I can't reconcile this with my disdain for chavs and pikeys. Whenever I read a left wing newspapar I am assailed by op pieces begging me to love chavs and asmonishing me for looking down on them - all written by rich, comftable journalists who never have to come into contact with them in life. I am sick of "working class" "down to earth" journos telling me how chavs are the salt of the earth and how we should "open our mind" and not "tar them all with the same brush". Why do they never mention the agression and violence? I think the real situation is that lots of working class people feel fear of chavs. That is not snobbery it is just being honest.
I had to talk to a chav on the phone at work the other day, and he started swearing at me just because I asked him for information! He called up "alright yeah you company owes me money yeah im supposed to have two hundred pound compo coming in" And I asked politely "which factory do you work in" and he just starts shouting "you got my money" and I asked "do you work in one of our factories" and he shouts "fuck off then!" and puts the phone down! And youve only got to watch Jeremy Kyle and then Trisha to see just how many pieces of human waste this country is producing. I'm not sure which political party is best to vote for with my views, though.
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Chavs = cunts. They aren't working class. They're the ignorant bottom feeders who've always been there, but really came into their own as the aftermath of Thatcherism, as the numbers exploded thanks to the collapse of proper employment in a huge swathe of the country. Given the choice of a fulfilling career as a shelf stacker or of staying on the dole drinking White Lightning, spitting out babies and hanging around shopping centres throwing chips at each other in between shoplifting attempts, far too many chose the White Lightning.
Relax - there is no contradiction. I'm working class, and growing up there was always a dividing line apparent between 'normal people', i.e. those who didn't act like animals, and 'scuffers' - thick, deliberately selfish, obnoxious, violent and fucked up arseholes. The balance has shifted though, so that the arsehole minority is a lot bigger than it used to be, and its the rest of us who have to suffer the fuckers the most directly. People like Julie Burchill and the other chav-huggers can kiss my arse. :finger:
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As far as I've understood, chavs are an even more pathetic version of American rednecks or Swedish raggare?
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You can be any combination of beliefs about domestic and foreign policy you want, the question is whether or not liberals would count you as among them. There are some people that political parties would like the world to forget agree with them and think like them.
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the salt of the earth is the working class people...those who keep the cycle of the econonomy turning.
from what i understand, the chavs are not gainfully employed, and actually are a wrench in the cog of the econonomy.
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........... far too many chose the White Lightning.
Is White Lightning the same thing over there that it is here ?? (Home distilled Whiskey)
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........... far too many chose the White Lightning.
Is White Lightning the same thing over there that it is here ?? (Home distilled Whiskey)
No, its liquid shite - in Scotland the neds drink Buckfast 'tonic wine', our lot drink White Lightning, which is a strong, cheap 'white cider' which has never seen apples, appearing to have been brewed from vinegar, battery acid and rubbing alcohol. Bleurgh. :puke:
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Raggare at least drink home made booze. Good Swedish schnaps. 8)
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As far as I've understood, chavs are an even more pathetic version of American rednecks or Swedish raggare?
I wouldn't say that they're pathetic... The do-gooders seem to think so, but I can assure you that they're more than capable of taking on responsibility but are more in tuned to taking the piss out of all decency. I don't buy this bollocks that it's due to their class or their parents. There are loads of good people out there who have had shitty mothers and fathers, and yet they turn out well, despite their upbringing. And there's loads of facilities available in this country that can better individuals (like I'm doing right now) but are too lazy and idolent to take advantage of them -- reading, writing and spelling classes, local colleges, home courses, etc.
When I see chavs, I see wasted talent.
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........... far too many chose the White Lightning.
Is White Lightning the same thing over there that it is here ?? (Home distilled Whiskey)
No, its liquid shite - in Scotland the neds drink Buckfast 'tonic wine', our lot drink White Lightning, which is a strong, cheap 'white cider' which has never seen apples, appearing to have been brewed from vinegar, battery acid and rubbing alcohol. Bleurgh. :puke:
That must be where the term originates from then. Most of the "Moonshiners" in American history have been of Irish and Scottish descent
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........... far too many chose the White Lightning.
Is White Lightning the same thing over there that it is here ?? (Home distilled Whiskey)
No, its liquid shite - in Scotland the neds drink Buckfast 'tonic wine', our lot drink White Lightning, which is a strong, cheap 'white cider' which has never seen apples, appearing to have been brewed from vinegar, battery acid and rubbing alcohol. Bleurgh. :puke:
That must be where the term originates from then. Most of the "Moonshiners" in American history have been of Irish and Scottish descent
Must be why I turned out to be such an internet troll, then.
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That must be where the term originates from then. Most of the "Moonshiners" in American history have been of Irish and Scottish descent
Must be why I turned out to be such an internet troll, then.
Are you saying we're related ??
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That must be where the term originates from then. Most of the "Moonshiners" in American history have been of Irish and Scottish descent
Must be why I turned out to be such an internet troll, then.
Are you saying we're related ??
Good god, I hope not. (No offense.)
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That must be where the term originates from then. Most of the "Moonshiners" in American history have been of Irish and Scottish descent
Must be why I turned out to be such an internet troll, then.
Are you saying we're related ??
Good god, I hope not. (No offense.)
I know.
That would make the sex between us ............................ incest !!! :o :o :o :o :o :P :-*
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what the hell are chavs and pikeys
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what the hell are chavs and pikeys
a european you.
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;D
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what the hell are chavs and pikeys
a european you.
Made me LOL. +
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what the hell are chavs and pikeys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argos_Gold
Chav or Charv/Charver is a mainly derogatory slang term in the United Kingdom for a subcultural stereotype fixated on fashions such as gold jewellery and 'designer' clothing. They are generally considered to have no respect for society, and be ignorant or unintelligent. The term appeared in mainstream dictionaries in 2005.[1][2]
The defining features of the stereotype include clothing in the Burberry pattern (notably a now-discontinued baseball cap) and from a variety of other casual and sportswear brands. Tracksuits, hoodies, sweatpants and baseball caps are particularly associated with this stereotype.
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These are neds from Glasgow; the Scottish equivalent of Chavs. The guy with the arrow pointing to him lives around here, and Scruffs bit him one time.
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They look like true sub-humans. I actually think our raggare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raggare) have more style.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Two_genuine_raggare_at_Power_Big_Meet_2005.jpg)
As you can see, they're often very pro-american. ;D
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That must be where the term originates from then. Most of the "Moonshiners" in American history have been of Irish and Scottish descent
Must be why I turned out to be such an internet troll, then.
Are you saying we're related ??
Good god, I hope not. (No offense.)
I know.
That would make the sex between us ............................ incest !!! :o :o :o :o :o :P :-*
Eh. What's the big deal about incest if you're not going to have kids? Last I looked, you're both male.
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Hey, I could swear that I had just seen Eamonn in those white joggers.
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what the hell are chavs and pikeys
a european you.
yeah i dont think so
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what the hell are chavs and pikeys
a european you.
yeah i dont think so
It could change if you could go to a library for once in your lifetime.
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what the hell are chavs and pikeys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argos_Gold
Chav or Charv/Charver is a mainly derogatory slang term in the United Kingdom for a subcultural stereotype fixated on fashions such as gold jewellery and 'designer' clothing. They are generally considered to have no respect for society, and be ignorant or unintelligent. The term appeared in mainstream dictionaries in 2005.[1][2]
The defining features of the stereotype include clothing in the Burberry pattern (notably a now-discontinued baseball cap) and from a variety of other casual and sportswear brands. Tracksuits, hoodies, sweatpants and baseball caps are particularly associated with this stereotype.
Sounds like gangsta fashion for white guys.
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what the hell are chavs and pikeys
a european you.
yeah i dont think so
It could change if you could go to a library for once in your lifetime.
peaguy what is that supose to mean?
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It could change if you could go to a library for once in your lifetime.
peaguy what is that supose to mean?
I think he's suggesting that you'd meet more chavs and pikeys (whatever they are) that way.
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uhh not in america. nobody like that hangs out at the library
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uhh not in america. nobody like that hangs out at the library
So, you know what they are now?
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well no, ive just never seen anyone like that hang out at the library son
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How do you know what they're like, if you don't know what they are?
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listen im going t get up now and get some coffee. if i dont retrun dont wait up for me
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Yes, William
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http://www.chavscum.co.uk/howto.php (http://www.chavscum.co.uk/howto.php)
http://www.chavscum.co.uk/culture.php (http://www.chavscum.co.uk/culture.php)
in answer to question, tom, depends what you mean really. Liberal attitude would be not to judge someone based on how they speak/what they're wearing. I've met people who on first impression seemed like chavs but weren't really.
I suppose i'd consider myself a liberal in some respects and i hate proper chavs
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play this
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ahaha, what the hell
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I see Aldi's being listed there. When I used to shop there,
I was very pleased with the quality of people who worked
there, and the clientel seemed to actually be less rude than
in most supermarkets. Maybe it's different in other places,
though.
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Aldi pay (or used to at least) decent wages cos the staff are expected to know what they are doing - the cashiers go like fuck. So they tend to be better cos they try to be worth their wages.
As for the customer base, Aldi is one of the three budget grocery stores here in the UK along with Netto and Lidl, so there are generally a fair few chavs trying to nick stuff and piss-smelling tramps wandering around in among the rest of the low income shoppers (like me. Heh). They have some decent offers on electrical goods though, though most of the stuff isn't really any cheaper than Morrisons, it just looks like it is.
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We had a couple back in the East US, and I was
really impressed. Not only were the cashiers faster,
but they tended to be happier - probably not just
wages, but management being good as well, even
well paid people aren't genuinely happy, if the
boss sucks.
As to chavs, I'm not so sure what they really are, but
there were a lot of lower middle class people there -
mainly blacks. They seemed to generally be better
mannered than what I'd see in normal supermarkets
though - even those in good neighborhoods. I think
that the extra effort of having to bring your own bag
or box things probably helped. Wider aisles, less selection,
made it all less intimidating. People came in to shop, and
buy, rather than piss around looking at everything.
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They look like true sub-humans. I actually think our raggare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raggare) have more style.
As you can see, they're often very pro-american. ;D
I have a hard time believing that anyone who has a Rebel Flag on their vest as being "Pro-American" regardless of what country their from. :grrr:
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Oh, those guys might be pro the CSA and not the USA.
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Oh, those guys might be pro the CSA and not the USA.
Probably right!! ;) ;D 8)
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Look away, look away, look away....
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...Dixieland.
:laugh:
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As a good copperhead, I fully support secession rights.
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It could change if you could go to a library for once in your lifetime.
peaguy what is that supose to mean?
I think he's suggesting that you'd meet more chavs and pikeys (whatever they are) that way.
Wrong.
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Wrong.
So, how else are you going to learn what one must only guess are slang terms in a library?
Strikes me that it would be easier on the net.
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As a good copperhead, I fully support secession rights.
Do you think we could get San Fransico to secede from the planet ??...... A good idea IMO.
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Wrong.
So, how else are you going to learn what one must only guess are slang terms in a library?
Strikes me that it would be easier on the net.
I was implying that he wouldn't be associated with the stereotype if he'd improve his education.
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Wrong.
So, how else are you going to learn what one must only guess are slang terms in a library?
Strikes me that it would be easier on the net.
I was implying that he wouldn't be associated with the stereotype if he'd improve his education.
You weren't implying anything - you changed your name.
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Wrong.
So, how else are you going to learn what one must only guess are slang terms in a library?
Strikes me that it would be easier on the net.
I was implying that he wouldn't be associated with the stereotype if he'd improve his education.
You weren't implying anything - you changed your name.
Stop trying to be so annoyingly evasive.
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http://wikidiff.com/pikey/chav
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Charvers are salt of the earth alright.
What happens when you salt earth? it becomes poison and nothing wants to live anywhere near it.
Same goes for dirty, thieving shit-for-skin white trash guttersnipes who would no more recognize either intellect nor the concept of honor than a sea slug would be capable of calculating the correct re-entry trajectory for a space flight. Vile little bastards, whenever I see a couple of pikey filth kicking each other's heads in, or read that some chav shanked another chav with a broken beer bottle in a drunken stupor (is it possible to BE in a stupor, if one is already a mindless flesh-puppet cretin spawned from the foetid bowels of a 12-year-old crack whore with the looks of an 80 year old tanning booth addict, three teeth, ten kids paid for by the dole and an attitude that needs periodic drastic adjustment with a fermented piss-soaked sock full of broken bricks and battery acid?) then I dance with glee inside, whilst darwinian principles exert themselves and weed out another rancid little dog turd floating around, and contaminating the shallow end of the gene pool.
They are dirt, dirt that can walk, and (attempt to) talk, albeit saying nothing of value to humankind, of which they are most certainly not to be considered part.
IMO it ought to be made legal to indulge in something akin to predator sport hunting of chavs, as a way of keeping the population down. Maybe with a govt-sponsored bounty upon collection of a certain number of sub-human flayed skulls, perhaps extra for some particularly creative scrimshaw art of a notable (within the limits of the nature of the prey of course) hunt and artful kill. It couldn't possibly be considered murder. That would be committing pesticide. Chavs are nature's way of telling the ebola virus 'look, fucker, you think your bad news, and you are, but you really are not the nastiest, vilest most detestable, abhorrent, verminous piece of shit ever to infest the face of the earth, sorry, you win silver in the noxious cunt olympics'
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http://wikidiff.com/pikey/chav
So basically the difference is chavs are violent? :orly:
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http://wikidiff.com/pikey/chav
So basically the difference is chavs are violent? :orly:
Basically someone had to come up with *something*.
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The two are the same thing. Its like the terms 'faggot' and 'battyman' or 'nigger' and 'wog'.
They are dirty bastards that want burning alive.
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They are dirty bastards that want burning alive.
Kinda like heroin junkies? :trollface:
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Charvers are salt of the earth alright.
What happens when you salt earth? it becomes poison and nothing wants to live anywhere near it.
Same goes for dirty, thieving shit-for-skin white trash guttersnipes who would no more recognize either intellect nor the concept of honor than a sea slug would be capable of calculating the correct re-entry trajectory for a space flight. Vile little bastards, whenever I see a couple of pikey filth kicking each other's heads in, or read that some chav shanked another chav with a broken beer bottle in a drunken stupor (is it possible to BE in a stupor, if one is already a mindless flesh-puppet cretin spawned from the foetid bowels of a 12-year-old crack whore with the looks of an 80 year old tanning booth addict, three teeth, ten kids paid for by the dole and an attitude that needs periodic drastic adjustment with a fermented piss-soaked sock full of broken bricks and battery acid?) then I dance with glee inside, whilst darwinian principles exert themselves and weed out another rancid little dog turd floating around, and contaminating the shallow end of the gene pool.
They are dirt, dirt that can walk, and (attempt to) talk, albeit saying nothing of value to humankind, of which they are most certainly not to be considered part.
IMO it ought to be made legal to indulge in something akin to predator sport hunting of chavs, as a way of keeping the population down. Maybe with a govt-sponsored bounty upon collection of a certain number of sub-human flayed skulls, perhaps extra for some particularly creative scrimshaw art of a notable (within the limits of the nature of the prey of course) hunt and artful kill. It couldn't possibly be considered murder. That would be committing pesticide. Chavs are nature's way of telling the ebola virus 'look, fucker, you think your bad news, and you are, but you really are not the nastiest, vilest most detestable, abhorrent, verminous piece of shit ever to infest the face of the earth, sorry, you win silver in the noxious cunt olympics'
Dude...
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''They are dirty bastards that want burning alive.''
By this I should expand, in explaining I was applying this solely to the pikey/charvers, and not also to blacks and queers. Using the latter two merely as a category in explaining that here in the UK at least, the two perjoratives 'pikey' and 'chav' are equivalent in the same way. Lest anybody think I was suggesting burning fags and black people alive.
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Suffice to say, I'm in a much better place mentally than I was when I started this thread, have grown up a lot and hopefully have more compassion and maturity. I don't recognise myself in my old posts
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The question is, not 'can you be a liberal and still hate...'
But rather 'who the fuck DOESN'T hate bloody pikey charver tosspots!' :autism:
Slimy little skrotes are the lowest, most primitive form of life known to mankind. If you made a pikey tosser any simpler, you'd have a prion (thought originally to be a newly recognized non-bacterial, non-viral, acellular life. They are in fact, rather, misfolded proteins unable to perform the function the native, correctly folded protein is meant to within the central nervous system, and they clump up, clog and basically gunk up the synapses and cells with polymerized proteinaceous shite, that turns the victim's brain to a spongy, atrophied diseased mass of crap. 'organisms' being such as scrapie, in sheep, exotic ungulate encephalopathy in some ruminants, BSE, and in people, Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease, fatal familial insomnia (a really awful disease, thankfully extremely rare, people are born with a predisposition to the misfolding, and the problem is, once it happens, prions not only misfold, but they cause the native, correctly folded form of the prion to misfold also, launching an autocatalytic avalanche whereby the start is slow, many, many years or decades, but once you get one molecule, that'll make two, two, four, four, sixteen, etc. etc. and kick off a feedback loop of production of these toxic protein isoforms with no negative regulation, that don't get cleared away, and the result is the victim's brain turns to mush. In FFI, the symptoms are a bit different, and altogether nastier, the localization is in parts of the brain needed to sleep. One becomes totally, utterly unable to sleep. Ever. Even surgical anaesthetics don't work. And you just...run yourself into the ground as your brain turns to a slush puppy, dying eventually of sleep deprivation over at most, several years, although usually not so long lived as that.
Or kuru, the shaking sickness known among the Fore tribe of new guinea, they ate people, as a funerary rite, IIRC it was more found amongst the women and the children, or they received the larger dose and were more likely to develop the universally fatal, as with all prion diseases, Kuru, because the kids and the women got the less desirable bits, like brains, spinal matter to eat when a relative infected with the disease passed away, most likely before showing symptoms, due to the extremely slow initial burning of the 'fuse' before the prion concentration in the nervous system reaches critical mass and causes the signs of disease.
If pikeys were a lower form of life than they are, they'd be prions. They are pretty close. A blob of proteinaceous crap with poisonous properties that reproduces uncontrollably and seems to turn the host's brain to something like a superglue milkshake in terms of intellectual capacity and form. Poisonous shit with no conceivable value to mankind, and for which a cure ought to be researched and applied the moment it becomes possible.
Or of course, round them all up, dump them on some remote atoll in the middle of the ocean, and turn the place to smoking irradiated glass with a neutron bomb of low tactical range yield. Wipe out all life within a radius of say, 20km with a burst of neutron radiation and cleanse the world of its disgusting charver infestation.
On the darwinian scale, I'd put them somewhere between a tick-infesting virus, and a prion. Only with the charm of neither, and the sex appeal of a bloated, blood-engorged diseased tick; that really ought to be stepped on with a boot heel as soon as possible. Vile little creatures. Or maybe, better for the environment, build a gigantic woodchipper with a conveyor belt, ideally electrified, dump out the load of chavscum like the turds they are, right into a several tens of meters wide woodchipper. Use the resultant mulch, after burning to detoxify it, as fertilizer. Every last stinking virulent poisonous noxious wad of aberrant proteinaceous glorp. And roast them. Whether before or after, or both, putting them through the woodchipper. Maybe give 'em a going over in the flames and when they are half cooked, then feed them through the chavchipper. Then make sure to burn the bastards to ashes so not so much as a pikey brat is ever to disgracefully embezzle my own rightful oxygen supply again.
They are a plague. Just bigger organisms than bacteria. Society needs to make itself the antibiotic. With a steel-shod bootheel. Cut the problem out like a cancerous malignancy, and burst it with one big stomp. Stomp. Squish-squelch-screamscreamscreamoiwotwotwotniggeraarrgh. Done. Planet cleansed of one of its foullest disease organisms since we collectively extirpated smallpox.
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dude your name is Lestat and you have a Cthulhu looking avatar, cool...who even are you dude
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It is, and I do. Thanks, and I am Lestat Rett, Polymath, clandestine chemist and troublemaker extraordinaire, at your service :LOL1: