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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: Phoenix on August 04, 2017, 08:30:52 PM
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This is creepy but incredible as well. Some of the bodies are only skeletons and others quite preserved:
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/melting-glaciers-in-swiss-alps-could-reveal-hundreds-of-mummified-corpses/ar-AAprxMN?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/melting-glaciers-in-swiss-alps-could-reveal-hundreds-of-mummified-corpses/ar-AAprxMN?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp)
Swiss police say hundreds of bodies of mountaineers who have gone missing in the Alps in the past century could emerge in coming years as global warming forces the country’s glaciers to retreat.
Alpine authorities have registered a significant increase in the number of human remains discovered last month, with the body of a man missing for 30 years the most recent to be uncovered.
Rescue teams in Saas Valley in the Valais canton were called last Tuesday after two climbers retreating from an aborted ascent spotted a hand and two shoes protruding from the Hohlaub glacier.
Rescuers spent two hours freeing the body with icepicks and their bare hands before a helicopter flew the remains to Bern. Forensics experts matched the DNA to that of a German citizen, born in 1943, who had gone missing on a hike in 11 August 1987.
The discovery comes less than a week after the bodies of a Swiss couple, missing for 75 years, were found in the Tsanfleuron glacier in the same canton. Marcelin and Francine Dumoulin had disappeared after going out to milk their cows in a meadow above Chandolin on 15 August 1942.
Last Thursday, the remains of a person believed to have been killed in an Air India crash more than 50 years ago was also discovered in the French Alps, on Mount Blanc.
Switzerland’s glaciers have been melting at an unprecedented rate, losing almost one cubic km in ice volume or about 900 bn litres of water over the past year. According to an investigation by Tagesanzeiger newspaper, eight of the 10 months in which the glaciers have lost the most in volume over the past century have been since 2008. Since 1850, when glaciers covered 1,735 sq km of Swiss land, the total area has shrunk by a half, to around 890 sq km.
Police in Valais expect the bodies of many more missing persons to emerge because of global warming. “It’s quite clear,” spokesperson Christian Zuber told the Guardian. “The glaciers are retreating, so it’s logical that we’re finding more and more bodies and body parts. In the coming years we expect that many more cases of missing persons will be resolved.”
He said a map that lists everyone who had gone missing since 1925 to the present day contains 306 names and locations, one fewer since the discovery of the German mountaineer.
At least 160 alpinists remain missing in France’s Mont Blanc massif, and the Morteratsch glacier in Graubünden is believed to contain the bodies of 40 mountaineers.
Zuber described the “great relief” at being able to pass on the information to the families “who would otherwise never know with 100% certainty whether their loved one had perished on the mountain. Finally when a corpse is discovered, you have an absolute guarantee,” he said.
He said that feeling had also been palpable earlier this year when a local woman was able to retrieve the bodies of her dead parents, the Dumoulins, who had disappeared when she was just four years old. “We locals are obviously used to the mountains, but such discoveries are no less emotional for the people here,” he said.
Rolf Trachsel, head of mountain rescue in Saas-Fee, who led the operation to recover the German man’s body, said it had been discovered in an area popular with hikers. “There was very little snow, and it was not very steep. It was about half an hour’s hike away from the next mountain cable-car station.”
He said although the team had to deal with the sad fact they were recovering a dead man, they also felt considerable relief. “If someone has gone missing, logic tells you their body has to turn up again one day,” Trachsel said.
“It’s obviously good that we can put our efforts into recovering someone, especially after 30 years, and knowing how important it is for the family to find out what happened.”
The body was taken to the Bern Institute for Forensic Medicine (IRM) by helicopter for examination and formal identification where it is still being held. Christian Jackowski, a scientist at IRM, said the discovery of human remains was now a regular feature of the Swiss summer holiday season, as climbers started to swarm the Valais region’s ice-covered mountains.
Usually bodies emerged from the ice at the top of the glacier, rather than its “tongue” at the bottom of the valley, Jackowski said. The extent to which bodies have been preserved by the ice depends on the circumstances of the person’s demise, with some human remains having been mummified by sunshine and dry winds before being engulfed in ice, while others have been reduced to skeletons.
The majority of bodies are trapped in ice, crevices or streams after an accident or a suicide, though some cases are treated in relation to criminal cases.
Other bodies could be the victims of military skirmishes. Though Switzerland stayed neutral in world wars one and two, the Mont Blanc massif became a front line towards the end of the second world war amid intense fighting between the German army and French resistance fighter.
In most cases, forensic experts face a race against time once bodies have been removed from the ice and start to thaw. Dental records and DNA samples are checked against a database of missing people to determine the identity of the corpse.
Since 2000, authorities in Switzerland have taken DNA samples of missing people’s family members immediately after their disappearance to facilitate the process.
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Open season on murder or what?
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http://image.nola.com/home/nola-media/width620/img/politics/photo/pump-station-6jpg-54b7ecbaf94e2278.jpg
The small white figures in the middle and the left are our cemetaries. The big structure is one of the pumping stations that keeps New Orleans and Metairie (where I live) dry.
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My feet are relying on pumping structures like that too. Average tide would still give me some air, when standing. High tide I'd have to find higher places to survive.
Our graves are underground though.
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The small white figures in the middle and the left are our cemetaries.
It makes me mad the cemeteries are so dangerous. They're beautiful. >:( Sugarbutt says he wants a mausoleum. I just say, sure babe, whatever you want. :lol1:
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The small white figures in the middle and the left are our cemetaries.
It makes me mad the cemeteries are so dangerous. They're beautiful. >:( Sugarbutt says he wants a mausoleum. I just say, sure babe, whatever you want. :lol1:
Why do you feel cemeteries are dangerous? I agree, our above ground burials are beautiful. I feel at peace when I'm there.
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The small white figures in the middle and the left are our cemetaries.
It makes me mad the cemeteries are so dangerous. They're beautiful. >:( Sugarbutt says he wants a mausoleum. I just say, sure babe, whatever you want. :lol1:
Why do you feel cemeteries are dangerous? I agree, our above ground burials are beautiful. I feel at peace when I'm there.
You wander the cemeteries of New Orleans? :orly:
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The small white figures in the middle and the left are our cemetaries.
It makes me mad the cemeteries are so dangerous. They're beautiful. >:( Sugarbutt says he wants a mausoleum. I just say, sure babe, whatever you want. :lol1:
Why do you feel cemeteries are dangerous? I agree, our above ground burials are beautiful. I feel at peace when I'm there.
You wander the cemeteries of New Orleans? :orly:
I don't wander, I just promanade aimlessly, looking for interesting information on the tombs.
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The small white figures in the middle and the left are our cemetaries.
It makes me mad the cemeteries are so dangerous. They're beautiful. >:( Sugarbutt says he wants a mausoleum. I just say, sure babe, whatever you want. :lol1:
Why do you feel cemeteries are dangerous? I agree, our above ground burials are beautiful. I feel at peace when I'm there.
You wander the cemeteries of New Orleans? :orly:
I don't wander, I just promanade aimlessly, looking for interesting information on the tombs.
I wander cemeteries. I frequent the one above me....many of the stones have pictures. :thumbup:
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The small white figures in the middle and the left are our cemetaries.
It makes me mad the cemeteries are so dangerous. They're beautiful. >:( Sugarbutt says he wants a mausoleum. I just say, sure babe, whatever you want. :lol1:
Why do you feel cemeteries are dangerous? I agree, our above ground burials are beautiful. I feel at peace when I'm there.
You wander the cemeteries of New Orleans? :orly:
I don't wander, I just promanade aimlessly, looking for interesting information on the tombs.
Okay, I guess either things have changed or you're amazingly brave, My Majesty. :viking: It's been a long time since I lived there, but they were hotbeds for violent crime. Only tour guided entries were considered safe, and those weren't very safe either. >:(
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The small white figures in the middle and the left are our cemetaries.
It makes me mad the cemeteries are so dangerous. They're beautiful. >:( Sugarbutt says he wants a mausoleum. I just say, sure babe, whatever you want. :lol1:
Why do you feel cemeteries are dangerous? I agree, our above ground burials are beautiful. I feel at peace when I'm there.
You wander the cemeteries of New Orleans? :orly:
I don't wander, I just promanade aimlessly, looking for interesting information on the tombs.
Okay, I guess either things have changed or you're amazingly brave, My Majesty. :viking: It's been a long time since I lived there, but they were hotbeds for violent crime. Only tour guided entries were considered safe, and those weren't very safe either. >:(
Greenwood, St. Patrick, Metairie Cemetery are safe. Theoldest cemeteries were a bit dangerous for a while, but the danger has moved on to other areas.
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The small white figures in the middle and the left are our cemetaries.
It makes me mad the cemeteries are so dangerous. They're beautiful. >:( Sugarbutt says he wants a mausoleum. I just say, sure babe, whatever you want. :lol1:
Why do you feel cemeteries are dangerous? I agree, our above ground burials are beautiful. I feel at peace when I'm there.
You wander the cemeteries of New Orleans? :orly:
I don't wander, I just promanade aimlessly, looking for interesting information on the tombs.
I wander cemeteries. I frequent the one above me....many of the stones have pictures. :thumbup:
I'm a cemetery wanderer too. (Why do we not live closer to each other? I suspect we'd get alone quite well IRL too :laugh: )
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I wander cemeteries. I frequent the one above me....
Are you sure you're still alive? :tinfoil:
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I wander cemeteries. I frequent the one above me....
Are you sure you're still alive? :tinfoil:
I check the obituaries every week so that I know I'm still here. :autism:
I remember asking my grandfather why he listened to the death notices on the radio every morning when he first woke up. He used to tell me "I'm waiting to see if they say my name." He would say "if they say my name I know I should just go back to bed."
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I wander cemeteries. I frequent the one above me....
Are you sure you're still alive? :tinfoil:
I check the obituaries every week so that I know I'm still here. :autism:
I remember asking my grandfather why he listened to the death notices on the radio every morning when he first woke up. He used to tell me "I'm waiting to see if they say my name." He would say "if they say my name I know I should just go back to bed."
:lol1:
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Death notices on the radio? :zombiefuck:
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Death notices on the radio? :zombiefuck:
In some small towns they even tell folks when you've been to the outhouse.
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Death notices on the radio? :zombiefuck:
In some small towns they even tell folks when you've been to the outhouse.
I like announcing when I'm going to the outhouse. :zoinks:
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The small white figures in the middle and the left are our cemetaries.
It makes me mad the cemeteries are so dangerous. They're beautiful. >:( Sugarbutt says he wants a mausoleum. I just say, sure babe, whatever you want. :lol1:
Why do you feel cemeteries are dangerous? I agree, our above ground burials are beautiful. I feel at peace when I'm there.
You wander the cemeteries of New Orleans? :orly:
I don't wander, I just promanade aimlessly, looking for interesting information on the tombs.
Okay, I guess either things have changed or you're amazingly brave, My Majesty. :viking: It's been a long time since I lived there, but they were hotbeds for violent crime. Only tour guided entries were considered safe, and those weren't very safe either. >:(
Greenwood, St. Patrick, Metairie Cemetery are safe. Theoldest cemeteries were a bit dangerous for a while, but the danger has moved on to other areas.
I'd like to have a mausoleum too, but I don't think dead people should have the right to take up so much space, so I tell sugarbutt we should get one as a swanky garden shed. :zoinks:
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There's a verse from the folk tune, "How do I know my youth is all spent, my get up go has got up and went".
"Hopeful each morning I dust off my wits,
open the paper and read the Obits.
And if I'm not there, I know I'm not dead.
So I eat a good breakfast and roll back to bed." --Pete Seeger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuAUG-AxweQ
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Haven't had the opportunity lately, but I like graveyards too. Wouldn't mind a mausoleum of my own either. Have my corpse mummified or better yet, plasticised.
QV, what with your being in NO...why do I have a mental image of you calling up Baron Samedi, making spirituous libations, offering chewing tobacco and possibly doing unspeakable things with/to a black cockerel....?
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I've not heard of Baron Samedi.
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I have always loved old cemeteries! When I visited my female bio progenitor's grave for the last time..I spent some time looking at the older tombstones, as well as the view from the hilltop on which it was situated. There is also a cemetery in nearby Dover NH, that has a number of old mausoleums with vestibules/porch's with furniture in them...very cool. And it has a breath taking view! Another couple of cemeteries also have crypts that spoke to my imagination in the town of Somersworth. Cemeteries appeal to me, for their quiet and ability to walk around without being disturbed by others. And yes, I have visited cemeteries after dark.....helped me conquer my old fear of darkness....and sets me in the mind set of reading some Lovecraft stories! ;)
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I was referring to the strong traditions of vodun amongst some new-orleans populations, as in the Haitian variety, Baron Samedi ('baron saturday' is the english translation of the name) is one of the Ghede Loa, associated with death, the afterlife, serving as a psychopomp (one who ferries souls to the underworld, as with for example, Charon, the greek ferryman who, for those with the money to pay him [ dead man's pennies, a pair of coins placed over the eyes of those who died in ancient greece, as a means to pay the ferryman, who, despite the slight similarity of the names, is not to be confused with the centaur, chairon] of greek legend, would ferry the souls of the dead across the river Styx into hades, where souls would then be consigned to one of a few places within Hades' realm (Hades is the name both of the god of the underworld, who's consort is the queen of the underworld, Persephone, associated also with Demeter, spending, as a result of consuming some of the food in the underworld, 6 pomegranate seeds, according to legend, 6 months in hades (lower case 'h', for the place, Hades being the deity) and the other half the year out of the underworld, in a fertility cycle of symbolic death and rebirth, of all life.
In the case of Baron Samedi, he is generally not depicted as evil, but neither as wholly safe and 'good'. Capricious, but generally a beneficial force rather than one for evil. Usually depicted as a man in black clothing and a top hat, along with glasses lacking lenses, with a love of smoking cigars, of rum, and known for telling obscene jokes to his fellow loa and those he encounters or possesses. The patron Loa of graveyards, the dead, ressurection, obscenities, debauchery, and helping those cursed to counter the magic thought employed by the bokor that did it; and additionally, to prevent those interred from rising again as the zombi of haitian mythology.
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And lol, for some reason I got a very lovecraftian feeling if that makes sense reading this post. Maybe I should change my name by deed poll, (although not officially, I've gone by Lestat since the nickname was given when pretty young, in my teens) to 'herbert west' (as in, of 'reanimator' fame [or possibly, infamy:P]
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Ah yes, the entertainment industry and literary (murder mystery) views of New Orleans. We do not:
a) call everyone "cher"
b) have a pirogue as an alternate form of transportation
c) practice voodo to ANY great degree (probably less than 100 people do)
d) flash our tits for beads at Mardi Gras, however tourists do
e) keep alligators as pets
f) have mountains anywhere near us (some movie/tv scenes have the hero riding off and there are mountains in the background)
etc.
If I didn't know New York city (which I don't) I'd think it was made up of big shot rich people and dope heads, with no middle class inhabitants.
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There is a louisiana voudun tradition, though, thats different in some ways from the haitian variety. Is it dying out?
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There is a louisiana voudun tradition, though, thats different in some ways from the haitian variety. Is it dying out?
I'm not an expert on Voodoo, but it is pushed in the French Quarter by one or two shops and there is at least one tour of the appropriate sights offerred. Not sure if it's related to voodoo, but there has been a revival at Mardi Gras of black men dressing in black with white bones painted on their clothes and masks. I think they're a revival of earlier attempts to remind people of the coming of Lent. They usually march in black neighborhoods. This may have come from voodoo, but I'm not sure. The Baptist and AME (American Methodist Episcopalian) faiths and the independent churches are the most prevelent in N.O.
One of my Auditors-in-Charge (boss) was black and he was a Seventh Day Adventist.
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There's a verse from the folk tune, "How do I know my youth is all spent, my get up go has got up and went".
Aerosmith said, some sweet hog mama with a face like a gent, said my get up and go must've got up and went. :headbang2:
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Darn. We'll have to move the bodies.
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Could be, QV, or perhaps something like unto the mexican festival of the day of the dead?
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This is creepy but incredible as well. Some of the bodies are only skeletons and others quite preserved:
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/melting-glaciers-in-swiss-alps-could-reveal-hundreds-of-mummified-corpses/ar-AAprxMN?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/melting-glaciers-in-swiss-alps-could-reveal-hundreds-of-mummified-corpses/ar-AAprxMN?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp)
Swiss police say hundreds of bodies of mountaineers who have gone missing in the Alps in the past century could emerge in coming years as global warming forces the country’s glaciers to retreat.
Alpine authorities have registered a significant increase in the number of human remains discovered last month, with the body of a man missing for 30 years the most recent to be uncovered.
Rescue teams in Saas Valley in the Valais canton were called last Tuesday after two climbers retreating from an aborted ascent spotted a hand and two shoes protruding from the Hohlaub glacier.
Rescuers spent two hours freeing the body with icepicks and their bare hands before a helicopter flew the remains to Bern. Forensics experts matched the DNA to that of a German citizen, born in 1943, who had gone missing on a hike in 11 August 1987.
The discovery comes less than a week after the bodies of a Swiss couple, missing for 75 years, were found in the Tsanfleuron glacier in the same canton. Marcelin and Francine Dumoulin had disappeared after going out to milk their cows in a meadow above Chandolin on 15 August 1942.
Last Thursday, the remains of a person believed to have been killed in an Air India crash more than 50 years ago was also discovered in the French Alps, on Mount Blanc.
Switzerland’s glaciers have been melting at an unprecedented rate, losing almost one cubic km in ice volume or about 900 bn litres of water over the past year. According to an investigation by Tagesanzeiger newspaper, eight of the 10 months in which the glaciers have lost the most in volume over the past century have been since 2008. Since 1850, when glaciers covered 1,735 sq km of Swiss land, the total area has shrunk by a half, to around 890 sq km.
Police in Valais expect the bodies of many more missing persons to emerge because of global warming. “It’s quite clear,” spokesperson Christian Zuber told the Guardian. “The glaciers are retreating, so it’s logical that we’re finding more and more bodies and body parts. In the coming years we expect that many more cases of missing persons will be resolved.”
He said a map that lists everyone who had gone missing since 1925 to the present day contains 306 names and locations, one fewer since the discovery of the German mountaineer.
At least 160 alpinists remain missing in France’s Mont Blanc massif, and the Morteratsch glacier in Graubünden is believed to contain the bodies of 40 mountaineers.
Zuber described the “great relief” at being able to pass on the information to the families “who would otherwise never know with 100% certainty whether their loved one had perished on the mountain. Finally when a corpse is discovered, you have an absolute guarantee,” he said.
He said that feeling had also been palpable earlier this year when a local woman was able to retrieve the bodies of her dead parents, the Dumoulins, who had disappeared when she was just four years old. “We locals are obviously used to the mountains, but such discoveries are no less emotional for the people here,” he said.
Rolf Trachsel, head of mountain rescue in Saas-Fee, who led the operation to recover the German man’s body, said it had been discovered in an area popular with hikers. “There was very little snow, and it was not very steep. It was about half an hour’s hike away from the next mountain cable-car station.”
He said although the team had to deal with the sad fact they were recovering a dead man, they also felt considerable relief. “If someone has gone missing, logic tells you their body has to turn up again one day,” Trachsel said.
“It’s obviously good that we can put our efforts into recovering someone, especially after 30 years, and knowing how important it is for the family to find out what happened.”
The body was taken to the Bern Institute for Forensic Medicine (IRM) by helicopter for examination and formal identification where it is still being held. Christian Jackowski, a scientist at IRM, said the discovery of human remains was now a regular feature of the Swiss summer holiday season, as climbers started to swarm the Valais region’s ice-covered mountains.
Usually bodies emerged from the ice at the top of the glacier, rather than its “tongue” at the bottom of the valley, Jackowski said. The extent to which bodies have been preserved by the ice depends on the circumstances of the person’s demise, with some human remains having been mummified by sunshine and dry winds before being engulfed in ice, while others have been reduced to skeletons.
The majority of bodies are trapped in ice, crevices or streams after an accident or a suicide, though some cases are treated in relation to criminal cases.
Other bodies could be the victims of military skirmishes. Though Switzerland stayed neutral in world wars one and two, the Mont Blanc massif became a front line towards the end of the second world war amid intense fighting between the German army and French resistance fighter.
In most cases, forensic experts face a race against time once bodies have been removed from the ice and start to thaw. Dental records and DNA samples are checked against a database of missing people to determine the identity of the corpse.
Since 2000, authorities in Switzerland have taken DNA samples of missing people’s family members immediately after their disappearance to facilitate the process.
what a story, nice
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Could be, QV, or perhaps something like unto the mexican festival of the day of the dead?
When I was a child Día de Muertos used to freak me out. There were TV specials on it showing people doing things to skeletons (don't remember now what it was), the thought of sugar candies shaped like skulls, etc. Living in Texas we didn't see anything of the actual day, but I felt more comfortable with Nov 1 being All Saints Day.
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Dia de los muertos...THATs the name I was searching for. Was on the mental 'tip of the tongue' and I couldn't damn remember it at the time. Was thinking of the candy skulls too :autism:
As for all saints day...isn't that just a repackaged version of all hallow's eve?
Which is in itself, a bastardization of samhain (pronounced sow-aihn' (the 'aih' voiced as in 'hay' rather than as in 'eye'), by christianization basically thieving and dressing over pre-xtian 'heathen' and 'heretical' beliefs. Damnable bunch, early xtians, they claim to worship the one true god, call him the lord of all things good, unable to sin or do wrong, be all-loving, yet damns souls to eternal burning in hell if they don't kiss his arse, or commits genocide (I.e the sending of the angel of death to genocide the egyptian people's
first-born, including men, women and children all.
Love thy neighbor...unless this, that or the other, then stone them to death, burn them, genocide their children etc. Be nice....like your loving god, or your loving god will turn your soul over to the devil to roast in boiling lava for all time.
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Maybe, Lestat. All Saints Day (Nov 1) is the Catholic answer to Halloween. You were allowed to costume/dress as a saint in the lower grades at school. Nov. 2 is All Souls Day.
"Faithful Catholics rise and go to Mass on November 1, then they head out to the cemeteries, to clean up and prepare their family tombs for November 2, the “Commemoration of all the Faithful Departed,” also known as the Feast of All Souls."
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Wonder if there are enough bodies around there, for anybody living locally (enough not to have to use fuel-powered transport) to go on a teeth-hunting expedition, since old fillings are silver amalgam, and the mercury can be distilled off leaving the metal behind from amalgams.
Just need to be close by, have a bag (preferably one that isn't see through, since I doubt people would be too enthusiastic about it if they spotted somebody hunting for the silver in dead men's teeth, even though the dead folk don't need them anymore, and it's removing mercury contamination from the environment), ropes/climbing gear and a pair of pliers, maybe a small hammer and metal centerpunch for any tough customers :)
The silver would be more valuable, if after separation from the Hg, it were treated with a little nitric acid, distilled from stump-remover containing nitrates and toilet unblocker concentrated sulfuric acid, and (outside, NOx fumes aren't healthy) the Ag were to be made into silver nitrate and sold on ebay, since you might be able to get about £15 for 5g if your lucky maybe 20.
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I wondered if grave robbing was part of why one of the cemeteries was less safe to walk around.
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In a culture where the bodies of the deceased are held that dear that they get embalmed to last forever, grave robbing sounds a very cruel thing to do. Cruel anyway, but then even more.
And no, the dead don't feel it. Cemeteries are not the for the dead. They are for the living to remember the dead.
That said, I think I would prefer an anonymous grave, without any marking, in some peat pit. Hey me away from the carbon cycle for a while, and use me to make a fine whisky in a few millennia.
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It isn't grave robbing, if they have never been put in a grave, is it?
I wasn't suggesting digging people up out of cemetaries. Not worth it for a few measly teeth. Just going around the mountain area and seeing what you could chip out of the mouths of those unfortunate enough both to need fillings and to not to be using them again for the forseeable.
Not like teeth couldn't break during a fall naturally, or during freezing solid (since water expands as it freezes and cracks things) so it isn't like people would be upset unless they actually SAW you literally crouched over a carcass, chiselling out their filled teeth and looking for valuables. Something like a wedding ring, I'd return (if possible), thats different. But generic possessions/banknotes, fair game IMO.
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Let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the floor.
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Let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the floor.
Drowning Pool?
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Yeah it is. Thats the refrain from the song 'bodies'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JZ9djZa180