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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Bastet on February 24, 2015, 12:32:07 PM
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What's with this fucking Jewish conspiracy shit??
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:CanofWorms:
Says the islamophobe
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Islamaphobia is a make-believe term. There's plenty of real reasons to fear/hate muslims. :M
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http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/09/kevin-macdonald-jews-play-a-leading-role-in-promoting-multiculturalism-in-europe/ (http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/09/kevin-macdonald-jews-play-a-leading-role-in-promoting-multiculturalism-in-europe/)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wf32O3Juhs (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wf32O3Juhs)
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Because anyone with brown skin is Muslim even if they are Hindu...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4586532,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4586532,00.html)
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The Jews and immigrants are the root of all evil? I somehow think I have heard this before before not sure where though :dunno:
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Multiculturalism is always going to fail. People feel more comfortable with a unified culture of familiarity. This is just a fact. They generally do better all around.
This is not to say that diversity is bad. Diversity, is actually beautiful and gives humanity and the world it lives in something to compete with, something to learn about. Something to socialize with. All cultures are fascinating and deserve to exist, not be destroyed by ignorant young hipsters.
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Zionists so aren't real Jews. And people can be diverse if they choose, but being forced like this is wrong. I am mixed, a patchwork quilt of ethnicities. My family choose to be together because they fell in love. What I'm describing is an agenda and a double standard.
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ancient alien so aren't real Jews. And people can be diverse if they choose, but being forced like this is wrong. I am mixed, a patchwork quilt of ethnicities. My family choose to be together because they fell in love. What I'm describing is an agenda and a double standard.
There's a word filter in place which changes ancient alien to ancient alien.
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That's retarded but funny
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That's retarded but funny
Forgot to fix my post. :laugh: Zionist is changed to ancient alien.
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:CanofWorms:
Says the islamophobe
Don't bother, Buttplug, arguing with Pappy is a waste of your time.
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Word filters FTW! :zoinks:
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ancient alien so aren't real Jews. And people can be diverse if they choose, but being forced like this is wrong. I am mixed, a patchwork quilt of ethnicities. My family choose to be together because they fell in love. What I'm describing is an agenda and a double standard.
I agree on the forced part that is what is wrong with the approach they are using and why it isn't working out very well.
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Apparently the change to our once "monolithic" cultures MUST change, and Jews will be disliked because of "their leading role". But what does a Zionazi Jew who worked with the Swedish government know. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QU7IoDoVX4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QU7IoDoVX4#)
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I knew this thread would attract the board's kook. :zoinks:
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I did a Google search on this story.
What I find truly sickening is the way this poor woman's death is being used by neo-nazi propagandists. In many cases, there's a very obvious feeling of "She got what was coming to her", on account of her role in that vid.
What's more, it seems there's some doubt as to whether the woman in the vid really is Elin Krantz.
In any case, you have to wonder what she , or her family did to deserve having soft-porn images of her plastered all over the internet, right next to pictures of her dead body. Seriously, doesn't this strike you as sick and twisted?
I'm beginning to wonder if her death was engineered by these same bastards who are revelling in it now. Reading the actual newspaper accounts, there was some actual evidence that two other men (colour not mentioned) were involved.
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Seriously, Buttplug, I think you should remove that image from your post, ASAP.
what it shows is : a woman who might or might not be Elin Kantz pretending to fuck a black man, along with photographs that purport to be genuine crime-scene pictures of her corpse, plus a photo of the actual black man who was convicted of killing her, and an actual photo of Elin herself (presumably).
Putting all that together in collage makes it something little short of snuff movie. It has bugger-all to do with "free speech" .
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Putting all that together in collage makes it something little short of snuff movie.
The commentary and images in the OP are from bestgore.
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Putting all that together in collage makes it something little short of snuff movie.
The commentary and images in the OP are from bestgore.
Ah I see. Just looked at that site. The name says it all, doesn't it? And the ads rub it in, just in case you don't get the message from the name.
I might actually take the rant about the importance of "free expression" seriously, if they weren't so clearly inviting people to get off on this stuff; all in the interests of profit, ofc.
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Yes, one has to consider the source. :laugh:
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I did a Google search on this story.
What I find truly sickening is the way this poor woman's death is being used by neo-nazi propagandists. In many cases, there's a very obvious feeling of "She got what was coming to her", on account of her role in that vid.
What's more, it seems there's some doubt as to whether the woman in the vid really is Elin Krantz.
In any case, you have to wonder what she , or her family did to deserve having soft-porn images of her plastered all over the internet, right next to pictures of her dead body. Seriously, doesn't this strike you as sick and twisted?
I'm beginning to wonder if her death was engineered by these same bastards who are revelling in it now. Reading the actual newspaper accounts, there was some actual evidence that two other men (colour not mentioned) were involved.
IIRC, the murderer acted alone. The police did investigate but there was no conclusive evidence. But yes, it's sickening how her death has been used by various extremist groups.
The link offered by the OP is rather typical in that respect.
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I did a Google search on this story.
What I find truly sickening is the way this poor woman's death is being used by neo-nazi propagandists. In many cases, there's a very obvious feeling of "She got what was coming to her", on account of her role in that vid.
What's more, it seems there's some doubt as to whether the woman in the vid really is Elin Krantz.
In any case, you have to wonder what she , or her family did to deserve having soft-porn images of her plastered all over the internet, right next to pictures of her dead body. Seriously, doesn't this strike you as sick and twisted?
I'm beginning to wonder if her death was engineered by these same bastards who are revelling in it now. Reading the actual newspaper accounts, there was some actual evidence that two other men (colour not mentioned) were involved.
IIRC, the murderer acted alone. The police did investigate but there was no conclusive evidence. But yes, it's sickening how her death has been used by various extremist groups.
The link offered by the OP is rather typical in that respect.
And sadly this sort of thing is done all the time all over the place to ramp up the hatred and fear, in the US the targets are usually immigrants from South and Central America.
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I did a Google search on this story.
What I find truly sickening is the way this poor woman's death is being used by neo-nazi propagandists. In many cases, there's a very obvious feeling of "She got what was coming to her", on account of her role in that vid.
What's more, it seems there's some doubt as to whether the woman in the vid really is Elin Krantz.
In any case, you have to wonder what she , or her family did to deserve having soft-porn images of her plastered all over the internet, right next to pictures of her dead body. Seriously, doesn't this strike you as sick and twisted?
I'm beginning to wonder if her death was engineered by these same bastards who are revelling in it now. Reading the actual newspaper accounts, there was some actual evidence that two other men (colour not mentioned) were involved.
IIRC, the murderer acted alone. The police did investigate but there was no conclusive evidence. But yes, it's sickening how her death has been used by various extremist groups.
The link offered by the OP is rather typical in that respect.
Odeon, the best I can come up with in terms of impartial sources that are readable to me is the Goteborg Daily, but from all I've read there, there seems to be no conclusive evidence that he killed her, either. And no evidence at all that he raped her:
Ephrem Yohannes was also charged with aggravated rape. But as in the District Court, the Court of Appeal also rules that only attempted rape can be proved
http://www.goteborgdaily.se/court-of-appeal-16-years-prison-for-elin-murder (http://www.goteborgdaily.se/court-of-appeal-16-years-prison-for-elin-murder)
And as far as I could determine, the forensic evidence consisted of traces of Elin's DNA found on his clothing, not traces of his DNA found on her body. Ofc, it might just be that the latter wasn't mentioned in any of the news reports I read.
Most interesting of all:
The biggest challenge for the prosecutor during the trial was a phone call from Elin Krantz's mobile phone minutes before the murder. A message was recorded in the voicemail. Two men were heard talking, whilst a woman was screaming in the background. The friend of Elin's family who received the message accidentally deleted it, and it has not been possible to retrieve it. The witness is deemed as very credible.
http://www.goteborgdaily.se/23-year-old-found-guilty (http://www.goteborgdaily.se/23-year-old-found-guilty)
If these news reports are at all accurate, it seems incredible to me that the man was found guilty...unless you take account of racially prejudiced jurors, ofc.
I really do suspect he's just a patsy. It's worrying.
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I don't remember the specifics but the suspect was found guilty in two trials. The third and final instance, the Swedish Supreme Court, did not pick up the case. Looking at the available online sources now, most seem to be the extreme right using the case for their own purposes.
I think they found his DNA on her. He also threw away some of her clothes and belongings in a trashcan, which seems like an odd thing to do if you are innocent.
The Göteborg Daily is an online paper for the English-speaking population here, but it's not really a reputable news source. They don't have the resources.
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wow...I don't have words just wow...this is sick, and to use her death for an end is sick...I don't care what one believes in, this is animal behavior which by the by goes on all over (yea preaching to the choir I know) but I threw up for serious I did...this is gross and honestly it's a highly offensive insensitive display of just evil...it's beyond evil...it's depraved...
yea not hungry now, what the crap OP I mean this proves a point but you sir lack tact...seriously show class not your ass... :thumbdn:
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I disagree. She is being blunt, but honest. Tact is useless at the end of the day, and sometimes things -need- to be said. Multiculturalism IS stupid.
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Multiculturalism is everything but stupid. You can't live your life in a bubble and pretend that what you know and recognise is everything there is. The world is not like that anymore, if it ever was.
I'm sure DFG is nothing but blunt and honest here, but the article she quoted isn't.
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Why are African Jews being kicked out of Israel? Huge double standard.
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Why are African Jews being kicked out of Israel? Huge double standard.
Evidence for this?? ::)
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http://www.irinnews.org/report/94819/israel-the-tribulations-of-being-an-ethiopian-jew (http://www.irinnews.org/report/94819/israel-the-tribulations-of-being-an-ethiopian-jew)
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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/resources/commentary-and-analysis/3917-israel-promised-land-for-jews-as-long-as-theyre-not-black (https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/resources/commentary-and-analysis/3917-israel-promised-land-for-jews-as-long-as-theyre-not-black)
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zionism is about racism. Racism is a power tool, that utilizes latent xenophobia in all humans, to further political goals.
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I don't remember the specifics but the suspect was found guilty in two trials. The third and final instance, the Swedish Supreme Court, did not pick up the case. Looking at the available online sources now, most seem to be the extreme right using the case for their own purposes.
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The Göteborg Daily is an online paper for the English-speaking population here, but it's not really a reputable news source. They don't have the resources.
Curiously, if you Google the victim's name, all the half-way reliable sources of info are gone. I found those Göteborg Daily articles by googling the convicted man's name (Ephrem Yohannes) instead. Even so, some links to relevant Göteborg Daily articles lead to blank pages. That is, all the usual headers etc were there, but the space where the news article should be is blank. Maybe these are the ones that were tagged with Elin's name as well as (or instead of) Yohannes' name?
I think they found his DNA on her. He also threw away some of her clothes and belongings in a trashcan, which seems like an odd thing to do if you are innocent.
Maybe not quite so odd if the innocent man is drunk, dog-tired, shaken by what he's just witnessed and scared. People seldom do the most sensible thing on the spur of the moment, even at the best of times.
Without trying very hard at all, I can think of a few possible explanations for this. Here's the possibility that really intrigues me:
Considering that message from the victim's mobile phone, it seems that the one really reliable part of Yohannes' account is that he saw two men attacking the victim. At this point in time, it seems like one of those men was in possession of the victim's mobile and was talking to somebody else (Yohannes?) whilst the other one raped the victim.
Now...what if he was telling Yohannes exactly what would be done to him if he didn't take these items and dispose of them? And if he didn't thereafter shut the fuck up about what he'd witnessed? I think that would completely account for Yohannes behaviour thereafter. Even after he'd been arrested, he would surely have been thinking that ten years or so in prison wasn't near so bad as the prospect of becoming their next murder victim.
Regarding the conflicting accounts that Yohannes eventually gave: my impression is that he wasn't telling the full story, not ever. You could regard this as evidence of guilt. Alternatively, you could regard it as evidence that the guy was scared shitless. I think I would be, too, if I were in a position to point the finger at a pair of murderous thugs, but had no concrete evidence against them.
Anyway, that was my theory even before I turned up the next thing:
If you Google "Hjalbo murder" you get even more links. And not only to the case in question. Here's
a brief summary of another interesting case that leapt out at me, when I googled those words:
A 22 year old man has been convicted of the murder of an 18 year old on the way home from a party in Gothenburg last year. He now faces 16 years imprisonment, but still claims he is innocent.
A local court found him guilty of attempted rape, and murder of the 18 year old girl at Christmas time last year. He has also been found guilty of attempting to rape another woman the previous week. The court found that spots of blood on the suspect's clothes linked him to both crimes.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=3972296 (http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=3972296)
Yes, this was in Hjalbo too. I've now looked at numerous reports on this case, and the similarities are astonishing . It just isn't credible that the crimes were committed by two different men acting independently. Nonetheless, two different men were convicted.
In both instances, the forensic evidence consisted of traces of the victim's blood found on the suspect's clothing (in this earlier case, the blood was only on his shoes)
Both suspects were charged with attempted rape and murder , not actual rape
In both incidents, a message from the victim's mobile phone, just a few minutes before her death indicated that the woman was in trouble,
In both incidents, the victim's mobile phone was stolen
Both suspects eventually admitted to being on the scene of the crime and admitted to removing incriminating items from the scene of he crime
Both suspects had criminal records, and both claimed that thereason they hadn't reported the crime was because they feared being convicted of the crime.
Neither suspect actually claimed that they'd been stitched up and forced to incriminate themselves. But if you allow them any credibility at all, it's hard not to reach that conclusion.
Interestingly, this first murderer had savagely beaten the victim about the head with a glass bottle; and had done the same with an earlier victim (who'd survived). Another (unknown) person's DNA had been found on the murder weapon.
A report of the 2nd murder case (Elin) mentioned that numerous tiny fragments of glass were found scattered round the rocks where the body had been concealed
Here's one of the news items I found:
http://www.thelocal.se/20100901/28712 (http://www.thelocal.se/20100901/28712)
I trawled through various other articles , using Google Translate * sigh* on some of them. Obviously , not speaking Swedish is a severe impediment as regards persuing this.
IMO, either these men were either part of a gang, or else entirely innocent, as they both continued to claim.
Btw, I came across a claim (from an unreliable source) that the first murder victim was not Swedish, but an Assyrian immigrant. That might be worth checking.
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http://www.irinnews.org/report/94819/israel-the-tribulations-of-being-an-ethiopian-jew (http://www.irinnews.org/report/94819/israel-the-tribulations-of-being-an-ethiopian-jew)
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/resources/commentary-and-analysis/3917-israel-promised-land-for-jews-as-long-as-theyre-not-black (https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/resources/commentary-and-analysis/3917-israel-promised-land-for-jews-as-long-as-theyre-not-black)
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The links don't back up your claims. There's no effort by the Israeli Government to kick out Ethiopian Jews, quite the opposite. Other sources show the government actively helping the Ethiopian Jews. It's the some of the population in general that is discriminating.
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... oh yeah, and...
Cruelty in the Islamic World - Saudi Execution for Apostasy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnQYESlqme4#ws)
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Multiculturalism is everything but stupid. You can't live your life in a bubble and pretend that what you know and recognise is everything there is. The world is not like that anymore, if it ever was.
I'm sure DFG is nothing but blunt and honest here, but the article she quoted isn't.
I didn't say we should all live our lives in a bubble, but to give diversity a chance. Multiculturalism is the destruction of diversity. Immigration and intergration is a great thing. Its good for the market, good for any community. As long as immigrants are willing to work hard and become part of the native culture, they are an asset to all around them. They are a friend.
This is not what is happening with multiculturalism shove, however.
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I don't remember the specifics but the suspect was found guilty in two trials. The third and final instance, the Swedish Supreme Court, did not pick up the case. Looking at the available online sources now, most seem to be the extreme right using the case for their own purposes.
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The Göteborg Daily is an online paper for the English-speaking population here, but it's not really a reputable news source. They don't have the resources.
Curiously, if you Google the victim's name, all the half-way reliable sources of info are gone. I found those Göteborg Daily articles by googling the convicted man's name (Ephrem Yohannes) instead. Even so, some links to relevant Göteborg Daily articles lead to blank pages. That is, all the usual headers etc were there, but the space where the news article should be is blank. Maybe these are the ones that were tagged with Elin's name as well as (or instead of) Yohannes' name?
I think they found his DNA on her. He also threw away some of her clothes and belongings in a trashcan, which seems like an odd thing to do if you are innocent.
Maybe not quite so odd if the innocent man is drunk, dog-tired, shaken by what he's just witnessed and scared. People seldom do the most sensible thing on the spur of the moment, even at the best of times.
Without trying very hard at all, I can think of a few possible explanations for this. Here's the possibility that really intrigues me:
Considering that message from the victim's mobile phone, it seems that the one really reliable part of Yohannes' account is that he saw two men attacking the victim. At this point in time, it seems like one of those men was in possession of the victim's mobile and was talking to somebody else (Yohannes?) whilst the other one raped the victim.
Now...what if he was telling Yohannes exactly what would be done to him if he didn't take these items and dispose of them? And if he didn't thereafter shut the fuck up about what he'd witnessed? I think that would completely account for Yohannes behaviour thereafter. Even after he'd been arrested, he would surely have been thinking that ten years or so in prison wasn't near so bad as the prospect of becoming their next murder victim.
Regarding the conflicting accounts that Yohannes eventually gave: my impression is that he wasn't telling the full story, not ever. You could regard this as evidence of guilt. Alternatively, you could regard it as evidence that the guy was scared shitless. I think I would be, too, if I were in a position to point the finger at a pair of murderous thugs, but had no concrete evidence against them.
Anyway, that was my theory even before I turned up the next thing:
If you Google "Hjalbo murder" you get even more links. And not only to the case in question. Here's
a brief summary of another interesting case that leapt out at me, when I googled those words:
A 22 year old man has been convicted of the murder of an 18 year old on the way home from a party in Gothenburg last year. He now faces 16 years imprisonment, but still claims he is innocent.
A local court found him guilty of attempted rape, and murder of the 18 year old girl at Christmas time last year. He has also been found guilty of attempting to rape another woman the previous week. The court found that spots of blood on the suspect's clothes linked him to both crimes.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=3972296 (http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=3972296)
Yes, this was in Hjalbo too. I've now looked at numerous reports on this case, and the similarities are astonishing . It just isn't credible that the crimes were committed by two different men acting independently. Nonetheless, two different men were convicted.
In both instances, the forensic evidence consisted of traces of the victim's blood found on the suspect's clothing (in this earlier case, the blood was only on his shoes)
Both suspects were charged with attempted rape and murder , not actual rape
In both incidents, a message from the victim's mobile phone, just a few minutes before her death indicated that the woman was in trouble,
In both incidents, the victim's mobile phone was stolen
Both suspects eventually admitted to being on the scene of the crime and admitted to removing incriminating items from the scene of he crime
Both suspects had criminal records, and both claimed that thereason they hadn't reported the crime was because they feared being convicted of the crime.
Neither suspect actually claimed that they'd been stitched up and forced to incriminate themselves. But if you allow them any credibility at all, it's hard not to reach that conclusion.
Interestingly, this first murderer had savagely beaten the victim about the head with a glass bottle; and had done the same with an earlier victim (who'd survived). Another (unknown) person's DNA had been found on the murder weapon.
A report of the 2nd murder case (Elin) mentioned that numerous tiny fragments of glass were found scattered round the rocks where the body had been concealed
Here's one of the news items I found:
http://www.thelocal.se/20100901/28712 (http://www.thelocal.se/20100901/28712)
I trawled through various other articles , using Google Translate * sigh* on some of them. Obviously , not speaking Swedish is a severe impediment as regards persuing this.
IMO, either these men were either part of a gang, or else entirely innocent, as they both continued to claim.
Btw, I came across a claim (from an unreliable source) that the first murder victim was not Swedish, but an Assyrian immigrant. That might be worth checking.
That's some fine research, there. :)
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I don't remember the specifics but the suspect was found guilty in two trials. The third and final instance, the Swedish Supreme Court, did not pick up the case. Looking at the available online sources now, most seem to be the extreme right using the case for their own purposes.
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The Göteborg Daily is an online paper for the English-speaking population here, but it's not really a reputable news source. They don't have the resources.
Curiously, if you Google the victim's name, all the half-way reliable sources of info are gone. I found those Göteborg Daily articles by googling the convicted man's name (Ephrem Yohannes) instead. Even so, some links to relevant Göteborg Daily articles lead to blank pages. That is, all the usual headers etc were there, but the space where the news article should be is blank. Maybe these are the ones that were tagged with Elin's name as well as (or instead of) Yohannes' name?
I think they found his DNA on her. He also threw away some of her clothes and belongings in a trashcan, which seems like an odd thing to do if you are innocent.
Maybe not quite so odd if the innocent man is drunk, dog-tired, shaken by what he's just witnessed and scared. People seldom do the most sensible thing on the spur of the moment, even at the best of times.
Without trying very hard at all, I can think of a few possible explanations for this. Here's the possibility that really intrigues me:
Considering that message from the victim's mobile phone, it seems that the one really reliable part of Yohannes' account is that he saw two men attacking the victim. At this point in time, it seems like one of those men was in possession of the victim's mobile and was talking to somebody else (Yohannes?) whilst the other one raped the victim.
Now...what if he was telling Yohannes exactly what would be done to him if he didn't take these items and dispose of them? And if he didn't thereafter shut the fuck up about what he'd witnessed? I think that would completely account for Yohannes behaviour thereafter. Even after he'd been arrested, he would surely have been thinking that ten years or so in prison wasn't near so bad as the prospect of becoming their next murder victim.
Regarding the conflicting accounts that Yohannes eventually gave: my impression is that he wasn't telling the full story, not ever. You could regard this as evidence of guilt. Alternatively, you could regard it as evidence that the guy was scared shitless. I think I would be, too, if I were in a position to point the finger at a pair of murderous thugs, but had no concrete evidence against them.
Anyway, that was my theory even before I turned up the next thing:
If you Google "Hjalbo murder" you get even more links. And not only to the case in question. Here's
a brief summary of another interesting case that leapt out at me, when I googled those words:
A 22 year old man has been convicted of the murder of an 18 year old on the way home from a party in Gothenburg last year. He now faces 16 years imprisonment, but still claims he is innocent.
A local court found him guilty of attempted rape, and murder of the 18 year old girl at Christmas time last year. He has also been found guilty of attempting to rape another woman the previous week. The court found that spots of blood on the suspect's clothes linked him to both crimes.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=3972296 (http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=3972296)
Yes, this was in Hjalbo too. I've now looked at numerous reports on this case, and the similarities are astonishing . It just isn't credible that the crimes were committed by two different men acting independently. Nonetheless, two different men were convicted.
In both instances, the forensic evidence consisted of traces of the victim's blood found on the suspect's clothing (in this earlier case, the blood was only on his shoes)
Both suspects were charged with attempted rape and murder , not actual rape
In both incidents, a message from the victim's mobile phone, just a few minutes before her death indicated that the woman was in trouble,
In both incidents, the victim's mobile phone was stolen
Both suspects eventually admitted to being on the scene of the crime and admitted to removing incriminating items from the scene of he crime
Both suspects had criminal records, and both claimed that thereason they hadn't reported the crime was because they feared being convicted of the crime.
Neither suspect actually claimed that they'd been stitched up and forced to incriminate themselves. But if you allow them any credibility at all, it's hard not to reach that conclusion.
Interestingly, this first murderer had savagely beaten the victim about the head with a glass bottle; and had done the same with an earlier victim (who'd survived). Another (unknown) person's DNA had been found on the murder weapon.
A report of the 2nd murder case (Elin) mentioned that numerous tiny fragments of glass were found scattered round the rocks where the body had been concealed
Here's one of the news items I found:
http://www.thelocal.se/20100901/28712 (http://www.thelocal.se/20100901/28712)
I trawled through various other articles , using Google Translate * sigh* on some of them. Obviously , not speaking Swedish is a severe impediment as regards persuing this.
IMO, either these men were either part of a gang, or else entirely innocent, as they both continued to claim.
Btw, I came across a claim (from an unreliable source) that the first murder victim was not Swedish, but an Assyrian immigrant. That might be worth checking.
A couple of points:
Many murder cases could appear the same or almost the same when given a cursory look. Unfortunately, raping or attempting to rape lone young girls on their way home is not unheard of. There have been more cases than the two you found. Göteborg is a large enough city for that.
Elin Krantz's death has been used by so many extremists since that any reputable sources drowning in the noise is not strange at all. Google bots seldom value the pages they index. I don't think the case was ever big in the English-speaking world.
Searching in Swedish, however, especially if including the local papers (printed ones in particular), provides different results. In both cases, I might add.
To me, the fact that Yohannes had difficulty in keeping his story straight is rather telling, as is the fact that there was no evidence whatsoever of the two men.
Maybe I should read the actual case documents. I think they might be available from the court since he is convicted.
Haven't had the time to refresh my memory on the Hjällbo case. I remember it, though.
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/waves to Lit
Funny. I was just thinking about you.
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Scrap is negging me because he hates islam or something, and apparently I am an enemy of merica because I don't think everyone in the middle east is like the sand people of star wars. Hahahaha!~
Lets see if I can get yours down to zero before you can mine, scrappy. Oh wait, it almost is already. :hahaha:
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Scrap is negging me because he hates islam or something, and apparently I am an enemy of merica because I don't think everyone in the middle east is like the sand people of star wars. Hahahaha!~
Silly Rage, you're just an anti-semite Kool Aid drinker who enjoys the sweet, sweet taste of Arab cock. :autism:
That's according to the logical and flawless thinking from "The Book Of Pappy" anyway :-\
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Scrap is negging me because he hates islam or something, and apparently I am an enemy of merica because I don't think everyone in the middle east is like the sand people of star wars. Hahahaha!~
Silly Rage, you're just an anti-semite Kool Aid drinker who enjoys the sweet, sweet taste of Arab cock. :autism:
That's according to the logical and flawless thinking from "The Book Of Pappy" anyway :-\
You'd better watch it or he will post another amazing atheist video.
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Scrap is negging me because he hates islam or something, and apparently I am an enemy of merica because I don't think everyone in the middle east is like the sand people of star wars. Hahahaha!~
Silly Rage, you're just an anti-semite Kool Aid drinker who enjoys the sweet, sweet taste of Arab cock. :autism:
That's according to the logical and flawless thinking from "The Book Of Pappy" anyway :-\
You'd better watch it or he will post another amazing atheist video.
(http://i.imgur.com/Gr8Wi1h.jpg)
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He got my Karma to 911. Its perfect! :zoinks:
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The op was meant to spark debate. The webmaster at best gore is a tool, but I did feel he had a point in this article. His rant on Amanda Todd angered me. He was projecting himself onto her.
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The op was meant to spark debate. The webmaster at best gore is a tool, but I did feel he had a point in this article. His rant on Amanda Todd angered me. He was projecting himself onto her.
Well, I've resisted joining in the debate. That obscene photo-montage is too prejudicial. Any debate sparked by that will be biased from the outset.
I tried it out on a friend of mine, out of curiosity. Sure enough, he looked at that image, then went straight into a diatribe about immigration, without pausing for a second to consider it's validity. (Yes, I was really disappointed in my friend. I didn't think he was that easily manipulated)
It's an interesting discussion, but, sorry, I'm not biting that bait. I'll discuss the supposed implications when they arise in some other context.
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"Spark debate"? More like "provocation".
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People ignore things around them until it is too late. Like in the US we have been purposely being dumbed down for decades and no one has said anything publicly in mainstream media. This is a subversive version of when scholars were killed and reading and writing was forbidden. The middle class are under attack and do not realize it. Slowly turned into mindless welfare voters who have given up and don't care anymore. I think it's time to care.
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Slowly turned into mindless welfare voters who have given up and don't care anymore. I think it's time to care.
I find that people who care too much about stuff they can't really do anything about, are generally miserable and a real freaking bummer to be around. :zoinks:
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Slowly turned into mindless welfare voters who have given up and don't care anymore. I think it's time to care.
I find that people who care too much about stuff they can't really do anything about, are generally miserable and a real freaking bummer to be around. :zoinks:
I find that people who care too much about stuff they can't really do anything about are sadly in the majority. :-\
Remember the ice cream story?
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Slowly turned into mindless welfare voters who have given up and don't care anymore. I think it's time to care.
I find that people who care too much about stuff they can't really do anything about, are generally miserable and a real freaking bummer to be around. :zoinks:
I find that people who care too much about stuff they can't really do anything about are sadly in the majority. :-\
Remember the ice cream story?
I find the majority just pretend to care, so I don't really think it's a bad thing when people genuinely do care, but I don't believe it's a good use mental or emotional energy.
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Oh, and no I don't remember the icecream story. :dunno:
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Icecream? :drool:
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Oh, and no I don't remember the icecream story. :dunno:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,22787.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,22787.0.html)
See my post in this thread.
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Oh, and no I don't remember the icecream story. :dunno:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,22787.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,22787.0.html)
See my post in this thread.
Oh, okay. Thanks. :thumbup:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw
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I don't understand white devil man speak. :zoinks:
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Hey, get your own persona, I'm the gopher. :zoinks:
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wat
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw
the double standard he speaks of when an immigrant speaks out against the pc environment in sweden, they called an Uncle Tom or a House Nigger which is very racist by rabid rad libs but this is overlooked because SJWs don't give a fuck when a person of color who has conservative views is being "put in their place" by their SJW white knight who knows better and is helping them. Because the *superior* SJW white knight can always do no wrong no matter what. :tard:
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Hi Buterflies. How's Budapest :zoinks:
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Hey, Buttnugget it wasn't me! :GA:
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I said get your own persona. I'm the gopher. :zoinks:
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I'm the real Gopher now, bitch. I soon will become the dominant personality till you will no longer exist. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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I'd gopher that. :zoinks:
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I'm the real Gopher now, bitch. I soon will become the dominant personality till you will no longer exist. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Actually if you want it, you can have it. :dunno:
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The Gopher stuff in this thread is confusing me. :headhurts:
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"What is your substance, whereof are you made,
That millions of strange shadows on you tend?
Since every one hath, every one, one shade,
And you, but one, can every shadow lend.
Describe Adonis, and the counterfeit
Is poorly imitated after you."
~William Shakespeare
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QU7IoDoVX4
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How can a plan be both Jewish and multicultural?
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How can a plan be both Jewish and multicultural?
It's a conspiracy. :M
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A particularly devious one. :tinfoil:
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How can a plan be both Jewish and multicultural?
It's a conspiracy. :M
A conspiracy of the shape shifting jews. :zoinks:
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/pol/ pls go
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How can a plan be both Jewish and multicultural?
Ask Barbara Lerner Spectre I'm sure she can tell you.
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I agree with Rage.
Multiculturalism as defined and taught in the states means that we work very hard not to offend anyone and we crush anyone who disagrees with our world view that everyone is beautiful and equal and all that.
But the truth is we are not all equal. Since discrimination is alive and well and hardwired into us, we will always need a reason to fear, or worse, hate someone who is different. I say hate is worse because it binds you inextricably to the hated object. A scary thought. I'd much rather be scared first and then indifferent.
Diversity is good. It puts life into dead markets (if you're into capitalism) and it varies our gene pool.
I've seen this in Canada. Somehow diversity is alive and well and people seem not to care that there are Arabs and Africans and other ethnicities working side by side or holding hands while they push the stroller with their multiracial child. On the other hand, let them know that you have just moved here and the first question is, "Are you working?" The Canadian government has convinced their people that people who move here from other countries, regardless of color or ethnicity, want to take away all the menial Canadian jobs that Canadians don't want anyway. And since that includes white people from European countries, color isn't what they look at.
There are attempts at multiculturalism but mainly they fall flat. Asking to come here and claiming that you were targeted because you were black might get you past the first interview but this guy, if his criminal record is true (and they would check) would be inadmissable on that basis.
So I don't get why, regardless of what he did after he got here, this guy was allowed in. With a criminal history and dark skin he's a different kind of target, as Walkie implied. Also, regardless of color, you can't get convicted of alcohol related offenses without a breathalyzer test. 13 months means property destruction, or if he had a good lawyer, he hit a pedestrian and then lied about it.
Making allowances for people on the sole basis of multiculturalism is a crock. People have different histories. If you grew up in the inner city of any place and you had dark skin, the odds were that your education sucked. But when you turned 18, you became responsible to fix that. A lot of my students have done that, while others cry that they should get an A in my class just because Obama made it possible for them to attend school.
Call me what you will (and my mother sure did) but if you cannot read, you don't belong in college. Yes, if the college admitted you, then they have a responsibility to fix the mistake they made in admitting you. It's called remediation, and a lot of community colleges do that. Being multicultural doesn't mean I give you an "A" because of all you suffered. It doesn't mean that I should let you into my country with a criminal history just because you think it happened because of discrimination.
However.
Has it occurred to anyone at all that the photo of the corpse has been posed? Rapists don't do that. That body clearly has been posed, and it raises my suspicion about what really happened. I don't know. I just know what I see: a posed corpse, and pictures of the suspect that for the most part make him look like a gang banger or a miscreant. BTW this is why I don't put pics on the internet or allow strangers taking selfies anywhere near me.
Bottom line: multiculturalism is a crock. Diversity is great, but people will use incidents like this to fight against it because they are frightened. Fear tends to be the main justification for violence. What if the two mysterious men had been white? Somalian? Green aliens? It doesn't matter. The face that was put in the media was designed to make us afraid of people with skin this color. The facts of the case are irrelevant to enemies of diversity. They're fighting a losing battle and that makes them more and more afraid.
OK, I'm ranting. Off to find my wet blanket.
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Diversity is good. It puts life into dead markets (if you're into capitalism) and it varies our gene pool.
I've seen this in Canada. Somehow diversity is alive and well and people seem not to care that there are Arabs and Africans and other ethnicities working side by side or holding hands while they push the stroller with their multiracial child.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen any cases throughout history where multiculturalism works on a long term basis. Balkanization always seems to set in and people start to kill each other based on surnames or other trivialities like that.
I think that racial separation will produce the most stable societies in the long run.
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How can a plan be both Jewish and multicultural?
Point made. Israelis beat the shit out of African migrants on the regular. Israel isn't exactly a shining example of multiculturalism progressing.
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How can a plan be both Jewish and multicultural?
Point made. Israelis beat the shit out of African migrants on the regular. Israel isn't exactly a shining example of multiculturalism progressing.
And seems to be getting worse under Netanyahu. Palestinians are now responsible for the holocaust? Yeah, okay Bibi.
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How can a plan be both Jewish and multicultural?
Point made. Israelis beat the shit out of African migrants on the regular. Israel isn't exactly a shining example of multiculturalism progressing.
And seems to be getting worse under Netanyahu. Palestinians are now responsible for the holocaust? Yeah, okay Bibi.
At least the group of people taking Bibi serious became smaller after that assertion.
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(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NTntNaQy_5I/hqdefault.jpg)
Wir müssen die Juden ausrotten!
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(http://41.media.tumblr.com/901381219b1a50c9844750f1991d9fbe/tumblr_nshklyXlud1s61yqjo1_1280.png)
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Hi, TA.
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Multiculturalism in the West is a Zio Jew policy. It's a bit hard to deny when a Zio Jew woman working with the Swedish government says it plain and simple on tape. Then there was the EU legislation drafted by a bunch of Zio Jews to force "tolerance" into school children, not to mention the endless interracial propaganda in Hollywood.
You know there's a rat when so many people in positions of power cheer for multiculturalism, then at the same time support the Nazi like state of Israel. I find it's best to just ignore all of this though and just do what those in power want me to do and just call people names who mention this.
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How can a plan be both Jewish and multicultural?
Yeah, it should have been "Jewish plan to destroy Europe with multiculturalism".
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I agree with Rage.
Multiculturalism as defined and taught in the states means that we work very hard not to offend anyone and we crush anyone who disagrees with our world view that everyone is beautiful and equal and all that.
But the truth is we are not all equal. Since discrimination is alive and well and hardwired into us, we will always need a reason to fear, or worse, hate someone who is different. I say hate is worse because it binds you inextricably to the hated object. A scary thought. I'd much rather be scared first and then indifferent.
Diversity is good. It puts life into dead markets (if you're into capitalism) and it varies our gene pool.
I've seen this in Canada. Somehow diversity is alive and well and people seem not to care that there are Arabs and Africans and other ethnicities working side by side or holding hands while they push the stroller with their multiracial child. On the other hand, let them know that you have just moved here and the first question is, "Are you working?" The Canadian government has convinced their people that people who move here from other countries, regardless of color or ethnicity, want to take away all the menial Canadian jobs that Canadians don't want anyway. And since that includes white people from European countries, color isn't what they look at.
There are attempts at multiculturalism but mainly they fall flat. Asking to come here and claiming that you were targeted because you were black might get you past the first interview but this guy, if his criminal record is true (and they would check) would be inadmissable on that basis.
So I don't get why, regardless of what he did after he got here, this guy was allowed in. With a criminal history and dark skin he's a different kind of target, as Walkie implied. Also, regardless of color, you can't get convicted of alcohol related offenses without a breathalyzer test. 13 months means property destruction, or if he had a good lawyer, he hit a pedestrian and then lied about it.
Making allowances for people on the sole basis of multiculturalism is a crock. People have different histories. If you grew up in the inner city of any place and you had dark skin, the odds were that your education sucked. But when you turned 18, you became responsible to fix that. A lot of my students have done that, while others cry that they should get an A in my class just because Obama made it possible for them to attend school.
Call me what you will (and my mother sure did) but if you cannot read, you don't belong in college. Yes, if the college admitted you, then they have a responsibility to fix the mistake they made in admitting you. It's called remediation, and a lot of community colleges do that. Being multicultural doesn't mean I give you an "A" because of all you suffered. It doesn't mean that I should let you into my country with a criminal history just because you think it happened because of discrimination.
However.
Has it occurred to anyone at all that the photo of the corpse has been posed? Rapists don't do that. That body clearly has been posed, and it raises my suspicion about what really happened. I don't know. I just know what I see: a posed corpse, and pictures of the suspect that for the most part make him look like a gang banger or a miscreant. BTW this is why I don't put pics on the internet or allow strangers taking selfies anywhere near me.
Bottom line: multiculturalism is a crock. Diversity is great, but people will use incidents like this to fight against it because they are frightened. Fear tends to be the main justification for violence. What if the two mysterious men had been white? Somalian? Green aliens? It doesn't matter. The face that was put in the media was designed to make us afraid of people with skin this color. The facts of the case are irrelevant to enemies of diversity. They're fighting a losing battle and that makes them more and more afraid.
OK, I'm ranting. Off to find my wet blanket.
Can white straight Canadian men not be diverse?
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Has it occurred to anyone at all that the photo of the corpse has been posed? Rapists don't do that.
Some murderers do.
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Been meaning to edit the op with more context but I'm lazy. :(
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It would probably be more likely to be noticed further information were added as a new post.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d3SJYRkI2hM
Why are Jews On Rothschild Boulevard In Upscale Tel Aviv Burning The Flag Of Israel?
Why are Jews protesting by the hundreds of thousands on Rothschild Boulevard in upscale Tel Aviv? Why are Jews burning the flag of Israel. Why don’t we see this on television?
Because the media monopolies want you to equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism!
Israel’s Midnight Cowboy Jon Voight: While Babies Are Bombed ~ A Rothschild Caliphate.
The Power Of The Rothschild State: The Hijacked Name Of Jew By The Khazar Banking Cartel.
(http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/rothschild-evelyn-nwo.jpg)
The 56 Men who Signed The 1776 Declaration Of Independence: Ending Rothschild’s Hoarding Of Mankind.
The protests are causing a problem for the mainstream propagandists. That’s why they don’t show them. The media monopolies falsely reported to the world that Iran’s President Ahmadinejad “threatened to wipe Israel off the map”.
This was a gross mistranslation of a speech by the Iranian President who was commenting on the the illegal occupation of Palestine by Israel. He claims that Israel is occupying Palestine” illegitimately” and that Israel should not be considered a country on the world map. Traditional Torah Jews agree with him.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y48cYB89FXU
ISRAEL WAS NOT ISRAEL UNTIL 1945
Before the second world war, Israel did not exist. From 70 AD to 1945, the land was called Palestine and it was the homeland of the Palestinian Muslims. Jews were a tiny minority. The World War II Holocaust led to the genocide and wholesale theft of the nation of Palestine by the Rothschild-led Zionists who renamed the land ” Israel” in 1945. The Rothschild-led Zio ists used the Holocaust and the NAZI movement to transfer thousands of European Jews into Palestine. History books are silent about the role the Zionists played in financing of the NAZI party and engineering the second world war.
TRADITIONAL JEWS ARE NOT Zionists
Many Jewish groups teach that Judaism does not support the “forced” creation of a Jewish State of Israel and that true adherents of the Torah must wait for the coming of the Messiah before peacefully returning to their Holy Land.
Here are some of their sites:
NKUSA.org (Neturei Karta) JewsAgainstZionism.com JewsNotZionists.orgIsraelVersusJudaism.org
Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the ancient alien state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.
http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news465_frank.html
ZIONISM PROMOTES ANTI-SEMITISM
Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause in creating a separate state for Jews. “We must, above all, make it an international political issue.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.” To maintain a Jewish majority in the state of “Israel”, its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to “encourage” Jews to leave their homelands and seek “refuge”. Anti-Semitic acts are on the rise across Europe and beyond. As a custom in many Anti Zionist community’s world wide, the Israeli flag is being burned on the Jewish holiday of Purim to protest the actions and existence of the Zionist state Of Israel. Israeli Zionist beliefs are contrary to traditional Jewish teaching and beliefs. Protests are a demonstration of opposition to the philosophy of Zionism and the State of Israel. Followers of the true Jewish faith believe a sectarian Jewish state is blasphemous and detrimental to the coming of the Jewish Messiah.
God bless and save all the soldiers who’ve been hoodwinked – Jews, Muslims and Christians. Their inability to see the truth is not their fault and their intentions are honorable.
Urban Intel
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When saying new, meant new.
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Zio Jews worked with the Nazis to get German Jews into Palestine up to 1940. And Jews were buying lots of property in Palestine in the 30's. They were preparing for war long before 1948, and had gone on genocidal rampages from 1947. That's why you know who controls the media and such when Israel's version is pumped out in the mainstream, even though it's a crock of shit and has been debunked.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OOGSBHqRDuw
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Out of "Israel" and into Europe.
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Israel is in Africa
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They are telling Africans to get out of Africa is my point.
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Out of "Israel" and into Europe.
Well, they can't say go back to Africa. :zoinks:
Israel is in Africa
Not really, but close enough. :lol1:
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What's missing here? ;)
(http://www.eco-friendly-africa-travel.com/images/map-of-africa-countries.gif)
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Some consider it Africa while others consider it Middle East. But it is right on the hinge as you can see.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ikqbP81gFes
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Nobody has ever considered Israel to be part of Africa. Ever.
It is firmly part of the Levant, or simply Israel, "Greater Israel" and so on. Africa stops at the Suez Channel, which is well inside Egypt. The entire Sinai Peninsula is a solid buffer between Israel and Africa. "Some" don't exist, but you will probably insist that there exists an on-going debate wether or not Israel is part of Africa.
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Nobody has ever considered Israel to be part of Africa. Ever.
It is firmly part of the Levant, or simply Israel, "Greater Israel" and so on. Africa stops at the Suez Channel, which is well inside Egypt. The entire Sinai Peninsula is a solid buffer between Israel and Africa. "Some" don't exist, but you will probably insist that there exists an on-going debate wether or not Israel is part of Africa.
They do exist like in the bible as well as in the video I posted. It shares a tectonic plate with north east Africa.
http://www.deuteronomy28.org/map.html
For you to say nobody says that is untrue.
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Some consider it Africa while others consider it Middle East.
Thinking middle east terminology is more of an American thing. Discussed this before when talking about the word oriental being considered non-PC in the US. Read that in Europe people say Asian when they mean what American's call middle east, and they call eastern Asians oriental. Either way, middle east isn't a continent.
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Some consider it Africa while others consider it Middle East.
Thinking middle east terminology is more of an American thing. Discussed this before when talking about the word oriental being considered non-PC in the US. Read that in Europe people say Asian when they mean what American's call middle east, and they call eastern Asians oriental. Either way, middle east isn't a continent.
Right. I'm not very pc. I tend to be sloppy in my explanations because I'm lazy in how I post which I've been meaning to change but yknow.
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I don't hear the word "oriental" a lot.
Asia and middle-east are most common, depending on what part of Asia you refer to.
(Africa is never used about Asia, regardless of plate tectonics)
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Interestingly enough the Zionist agenda would have quite a lot to lose if they did. It then again we've been spoon fed that Israel belongs to the Zionists when Torah Jews don't want Israel and have stated as much but this has been blacked out from mainstream news which is owned by Zionists. They protested on Rothschild Blvd which was meant to be symbolic. Burning the Zionist flag.
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Out of "Israel" and into Europe.
Well, they can't say go back to Africa. :zoinks:
Israel is in Africa
Not really, but close enough. :lol1:
No, because maybe they're now as confused as me as to where Africa actually is :zoinks:
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Africans actually are one of the tribes of Israel. Shes right, Israel really was in Africa once.
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It gets around
(http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/styles/w1024/public/photos/2014-January/pangea.jpg?itok=093utukU)
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British scientists have confirmed with DNA testing that an African tribe in northern South Africa that claims Semitic origins is telling the truth.
The Lemba, whose oral traditions state that their ancestors were Jews, practice customs that are remarkably similar to those of the House of Israel. They keep one day of the week holy, bless the new moon, circumcise their boys, slaughter meat in a ritual manner, avoid eating food with blood and do not eat pork. Some of the men wear yarmulkas (kippot), they strongly discourage marriage outside the tribe, and the custom of the tribe is to inscribe a Star of David on the gravestone of the deceased.
None of these practices are common among the peoples of Zimbabwe or South Africa.
The Lemba are also divided into 12 tribes, and among the Buba, the priestly class, was found the exact same DNA element as among those Jews of the priestly class elsewhere around the world.
A number of genetic studies have confirmed the findings. Initial research in 1996 indicated that more than half of the Lemba Y chromosomes (the male chromosome) are Semitic in origin. That study was followed by another in 2000, that reported more specifically that a significant group of Lemba males carry the “Cohen [Kohen] modal haplotype” (CHM) on the Y chromosome, which indicates the Y-DNA Haplogroup J found among Jews and some other populations across the Middle East.
The Buba clan carried most of the CMH markers among the Lemba, similar to other Jewish groups around the world where the males of the priestly class, the Kohenim, carry the CHM marker. Lemba tradition states that it was the Buba clan that had a “leadership role in bringing the Lemba out of Israel” and into southern Africa.
The oral tradition handed down among the Yemenite Jews is similar, stating that after the expulsion following the destruction of the First Temple, the Levi'im (assistant priests) and Kohenim fled towards Yemen; the group then split, with some continuing on towards the south, in the direction of Africa.
The University of London's Professor Tudor Parfitt , who spent six months living with the tribe, and 20 years researching their people, expressed his amazement in an interview this week with the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC).
“This was amazing,” Parfitt said. “It looks as if the Jewish priesthood continued in the West by people called Cohen, and in the same way it was continued by the priestly clan of the Lemba. They have a common ancestor who geneticists say lived about 3,000 years ago somewhere in north Arabia, which is the time of Moses and Aaron, when the Jewish priesthood started.”
The Lemba tradition states that their ancestors fled the Holy Land some 2,500 years ago, traveling first to “Sen'a” and then south to Africa. Their sacred prayer language is comprised of a mixture of Hebrew and Arabic.
The tribe, approximately 80,000 strong, lives in central Zimbabwe and the northern part of South Africa, and prizes above all its holiest object: the ngoma lungundu, “the drum that thunders.” According to tribal leaders, it is this, a wooden replica of the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, that connects the Lemba to their Jewish ancestry.
The oral traditions regarding the ngoma lungundu said it had been used in battles, and thus was rebuilt several times, possibly from original remnants, Parfitt explained. He added that the replica that recently went on display at the Harare museum, about 700 years old, is “the closest descendant of the Ark that we know of.”
The Lemba people of today, however, are Christians and Muslims, although many define their ties to Judaism as their “culture.”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/136374
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Out of "Israel" and into Europe.
Well, they can't say go back to Africa. :zoinks:
Israel is in Africa
Not really, but close enough. :lol1:
No, because maybe they're now as confused as me as to where Africa actually is :zoinks:
Yeah, I sort of realized after the fact that's a joke only Americans would probably find funny or even get. Jokes aren't funny when they have to be explained. Sorry. :dunno:
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It gets around
Go back to Pangaea. :zoinks:
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It gets around
Go back to Pangaea. :zoinks:
Africans are jews. Get over it. :P
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It gets around
Go back to Pangaea. :zoinks:
Africans are jews. Get over it. :P
Yeah because theories about crap from 300 million years ago is how continental boundaries are determined today. :zoinks:
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I need to stay out of this thread, too much /pol/tard fuckery.
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Sometimes I get a feeling that a lot of folks don't understand the enormous passages of time in our worlds history
In "Batman and Robit" Mr. Freeze rethorically asks "What killed the dinosaurs? The ice age!" and the action just continues, while lil aspie me went "what... ? no :I"
But sure, the ice age killed the dinosaurs, people come from Pangaea, and all this happened in the days of Abraham! :M
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Sometimes I get a feeling that a lot of folks don't understand the enormous passages of time in our worlds history
In "Batman and Robit" Mr. Freeze rethorically asks "What killed the dinosaurs? The ice age!" and the action just continues, while lil aspie me went "what... ? no :I"
But sure, the ice age killed the dinosaurs, people come from Pangaea, and all this happened in the days of Abraham! :M
* Hands weighted blanket and something nice to drink *
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British scientists have confirmed with DNA testing that an African tribe in northern South Africa that claims Semitic origins is telling the truth.
The Lemba, whose oral traditions state that their ancestors were Jews, practice customs that are remarkably similar to those of the House of Israel. They keep one day of the week holy, bless the new moon, circumcise their boys, slaughter meat in a ritual manner, avoid eating food with blood and do not eat pork. Some of the men wear yarmulkas (kippot), they strongly discourage marriage outside the tribe, and the custom of the tribe is to inscribe a Star of David on the gravestone of the deceased.
None of these practices are common among the peoples of Zimbabwe or South Africa.
The Lemba are also divided into 12 tribes, and among the Buba, the priestly class, was found the exact same DNA element as among those Jews of the priestly class elsewhere around the world.
A number of genetic studies have confirmed the findings. Initial research in 1996 indicated that more than half of the Lemba Y chromosomes (the male chromosome) are Semitic in origin. That study was followed by another in 2000, that reported more specifically that a significant group of Lemba males carry the “Cohen [Kohen] modal haplotype” (CHM) on the Y chromosome, which indicates the Y-DNA Haplogroup J found among Jews and some other populations across the Middle East.
The Buba clan carried most of the CMH markers among the Lemba, similar to other Jewish groups around the world where the males of the priestly class, the Kohenim, carry the CHM marker. Lemba tradition states that it was the Buba clan that had a “leadership role in bringing the Lemba out of Israel” and into southern Africa.
The oral tradition handed down among the Yemenite Jews is similar, stating that after the expulsion following the destruction of the First Temple, the Levi'im (assistant priests) and Kohenim fled towards Yemen; the group then split, with some continuing on towards the south, in the direction of Africa.
The University of London's Professor Tudor Parfitt , who spent six months living with the tribe, and 20 years researching their people, expressed his amazement in an interview this week with the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC).
“This was amazing,” Parfitt said. “It looks as if the Jewish priesthood continued in the West by people called Cohen, and in the same way it was continued by the priestly clan of the Lemba. They have a common ancestor who geneticists say lived about 3,000 years ago somewhere in north Arabia, which is the time of Moses and Aaron, when the Jewish priesthood started.”
The Lemba tradition states that their ancestors fled the Holy Land some 2,500 years ago, traveling first to “Sen'a” and then south to Africa. Their sacred prayer language is comprised of a mixture of Hebrew and Arabic.
The tribe, approximately 80,000 strong, lives in central Zimbabwe and the northern part of South Africa, and prizes above all its holiest object: the ngoma lungundu, “the drum that thunders.” According to tribal leaders, it is this, a wooden replica of the Biblical Ark of the Covenant, that connects the Lemba to their Jewish ancestry.
The oral traditions regarding the ngoma lungundu said it had been used in battles, and thus was rebuilt several times, possibly from original remnants, Parfitt explained. He added that the replica that recently went on display at the Harare museum, about 700 years old, is “the closest descendant of the Ark that we know of.”
The Lemba people of today, however, are Christians and Muslims, although many define their ties to Judaism as their “culture.”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/136374
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Humans didn't come till long after the supercontinent split up. Also Israel is in fact part of the same tectonic plate of Africa I know I know mla was trolling so let's latch onto that.
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Sometimes I get a feeling that a lot of folks don't understand the enormous passages of time in our worlds history
In "Batman and Robit" Mr. Freeze rethorically asks "What killed the dinosaurs? The ice age!" and the action just continues, while lil aspie me went "what... ? no :I"
But sure, the ice age killed the dinosaurs, people come from Pangaea, and all this happened in the days of Abraham! :M
I'm just being ornery because it annoys me when conversations basically degrade into, hey we're all Africans because we're all from Africa and everything and everyone and everywhere was once Africa, or some such crap. I'm pretty sure everyone knows ancient aliens killed the dinosaurs. :zoinks:
I know I know mla was trolling so let's latch onto that.
But I wanna. :zoinks:
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One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.
We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)
This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V
As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking
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One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.
We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)
This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V
As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking
Were they fully christened?
According to one of my Church History teachers. I came from that part of the Netherlands were heathendom never fully stopped to be. Think he was right.
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One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.
We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)
This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V
As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking
Were they fully christened?
According to one of my Church History teachers. I came from that part of the Netherlands were heathendom never fully stopped to be. Think he was right.
Well... we did adopt protestantism after a while, cus we needed to be continously forgiven by god for being unable to stop drinking, dancing and partying
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:GA:
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You're dancing quite frantically, so early in the morning. Is that the effect of lots of coffee?
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cus we needed to be continously forgiven by god for being unable to stop drinking, dancing and partying
Do you know why Baptists don't have sex standing up?
Because someone might think they're dancing. :zoinks:
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You're dancing quite frantically, so early in the morning. Is that the effect of lots of coffee?
It's the effect of this thread.
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One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.
We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)
This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V
As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking
"We are all from Africa"
Actually that is being debated again. Its suspected that certain species of humans developed in the Americas BEFORE Asians crossed the land bridge. This happened separately from the eastern part of the world. Of course, its also being argued that the Asian settlers killed them/interbred with them all so it kind of becomes a moot point but the genetic material likely still exists in native-American and causoids.
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One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.
We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)
This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V
As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking
"We are all from Africa"
Actually that is being debated again. Its suspected that certain species of humans developed in the Americas BEFORE Asians crossed the land bridge. This happened separately from the eastern part of the world. Of course, its also being argued that the Asian settlers killed them/interbred with them all so it kind of becomes a moot point but the genetic material likely still exists in native-American and causoids.
It's not like "a rule" that we have to come from Africa, it's not to please black people, or anything, we go where the evidence goes, and so far, it's huge fucking mess
Humanity, as we know it, does come from Africa, even species of human developing in the Americas could not be human, if they did not evolve directly from the African hominins that gave rise to all the basal humans continously streaming out of Africa
Meaning - the American human species... came from Africa! At least their ancestors did, and that's the point. Norwegians never came "from Africa", but their ancestors did - as in, a quarter of a million years ago.
Then there is the further mess of more-than-one migration out of Africa, probably more like innumerable, as we're dealing with a continous stream, rather than a "hey ho, here we go!" type exodus
I love how complex and chaotic it is, but it is unfortunate in terms of politics, because here people prefer easy narratives
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And before that, we were stardust. Let's talk about where in the universe we evolved going back to startdust.
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Don't know why, but your post made me ponder on a grand world wide re-shuffle.
:apondering: :laugh:
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And before that, we were stardust. Let's talk about where in the universe we evolved going back to startdust.
Fiiine. Clearly, the moment of relevance is pre and post niggerdom
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One must announce a limit, when making such comparisons.
We are all from Africa, but we are also all primates, we are all from Greenland, at some point (if that's indeed where the oldest terrestrial tetrapods appear, but I'm just making an example)
This comes up often in racism/culture debates, whenever people argue who was there first, what was there first, they all got their own definition of "first", I mean, one can argue that Germans were the first to mass-migrate into Poland after 1939, granting them special rights in the territory :V
As a Scandinavian, I am particularily "sensitive" to the notion of Christianity "always" having existed in Europe. To most Europeans, Christianity goes back as far as most relevance dictate. Before Christianity is irrelevant-time of elves and Tolkien and Greeks and Romans doing their fairy-tale myth-stuff - as in, it's from "the before time" that we don't refer to anymore.
Scandinavians weren't fully christened untill the 1300s or so, there's no "always" about it, not even very far back, historically speaking
"We are all from Africa"
Actually that is being debated again. Its suspected that certain species of humans developed in the Americas BEFORE Asians crossed the land bridge. This happened separately from the eastern part of the world. Of course, its also being argued that the Asian settlers killed them/interbred with them all so it kind of becomes a moot point but the genetic material likely still exists in native-American and causoids.
It's not like "a rule" that we have to come from Africa, it's not to please black people, or anything, we go where the evidence goes, and so far, it's huge fucking mess
Humanity, as we know it, does come from Africa, even species of human developing in the Americas could not be human, if they did not evolve directly from the African hominins that gave rise to all the basal humans continously streaming out of Africa
Meaning - the American human species... came from Africa! At least their ancestors did, and that's the point. Norwegians never came "from Africa", but their ancestors did - as in, a quarter of a million years ago.
Then there is the further mess of more-than-one migration out of Africa, probably more like innumerable, as we're dealing with a continous stream, rather than a "hey ho, here we go!" type exodus
I love how complex and chaotic it is, but it is unfortunate in terms of politics, because here people prefer easy narratives
we go where the evidence goes, and so far, it's huge fucking mess
Oh, it especially is because the earlier hominids being discovered in the Americas are thought to have evolved separately than the African hominids. If enough evidence is found that is going to become a warzone of debate and identitypolitical fuckery. This is completely ignoring the side issue of ancient central americans having red/blonde hair and elongated skulls with different bone structure than normal.
Personally, I find it fascinating. You know full well it is eventually going to become "racist" though.
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And before that, we were stardust. Let's talk about where in the universe we evolved going back to startdust.
Fiiine. Clearly, the moment of relevance is pre and post niggerdom
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And before that, we were stardust. Let's talk about where in the universe we evolved going back to startdust.
Fiiine. Clearly, the moment of relevance is pre and post niggerdom
Terribly Liberal and Progressive of you there, old boy
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My African ancestors were venomous sabretooth rodents. :zoinks:
(http://img01.deviantart.net/47c7/i/2009/016/e/9/sabertooth_rat_by_allison712.jpg)
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You racist, you.
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It's an albino ancestor. Albinism happens in all races.
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Stop it. You're upsetting my racial sensitivities.
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And?
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Or. :P
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Are you threatening me?
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I'm just upset.
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Oh, don't be. That sabre tooth gopher is long gone now. Extinct and all.
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You're just saying that to be nice.
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No, really, I checked under the beds. There are no sabre tooth gophers left.
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Did you check under my bed?
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:trollskull:
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Being upset at feelings being offended is a privilege
People these days don't even know how lucky they are, that they are invited to go outdoors and yell and shout, hell, set things on fire if you're upset enough. The crowd will hide you :M
(see my riot thread. A good riot is a staple of the free west. In un-free countries riots never develop beyond the initial congregation, and the following massacre by the army)
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Being upset at feelings being offended is a privilege
People these days don't even know how lucky they are, that they are invited to go outdoors and yell and shout, hell, set things on fire if you're upset enough. The crowd will hide you :M
(see my riot thread. A good riot is a staple of the free west. In un-free countries riots never develop beyond the initial congregation, and the following massacre by the army)
Or sit in a small flat and smoke weed and draw dinosaurs. It is lucky.
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Being upset at feelings being offended is a privilege
People these days don't even know how lucky they are, that they are invited to go outdoors and yell and shout, hell, set things on fire if you're upset enough. The crowd will hide you :M
(see my riot thread. A good riot is a staple of the free west. In un-free countries riots never develop beyond the initial congregation, and the following massacre by the army)
Be the mob. :thumbup:
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Interesting how posts magically vanished, and I couldn't use the site's search engine or even Google. Not a coincidence. I own Google now. I can find everything now.
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Interesting how posts magically vanished, and I couldn't use the site's search engine or even Google. Not a coincidence. I own Google now. I can find everything now.
Except the directions to a mental institution where you belong. ::)
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Interesting how posts magically vanished, and I couldn't use the site's search engine or even Google. Not a coincidence. I own Google now. I can find everything now.
Except the directions to a mental institution where you belong. ::)
:lol1:
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Why is DFG's account showing it was active on Aug 17, 2018?? :apondering:
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I was attempting to login.
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Interesting how posts magically vanished, and I couldn't use the site's search engine or even Google. Not a coincidence. I own Google now. I can find everything now.
Except the directions to a mental institution where you belong. ::)
I’m doing better now. Thanks for your concern.