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Title: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 07, 2014, 04:07:35 PM

Let us be a little nervous for a moment, without going completely psycho.

Shit Hitting The Fan may have more meaning to those of us who have a lot to lose, but I understand if you have already met this horror in your own life. You are doing what we ALL NEED to learn to do.

If that is so, then your surviving proves that you can offer us couch sitters a lot to think about.

If not, then let us all discuss how we will deal with the possibility that things could go wrong for this comfy little world we treasure so much.

I think in terms of what happened in New Orleans when Katrina hit, or when the massive earth quake hit Japan a few years ago or that historic tsunami all over SE Asia. People killed for food and dry land.

Shit Hit The Fan!  To say the least! 

Even in LA in the late 80s,  a massive earthquake that hobbled that entire "well prepared" city, created a situation where people starved and killed each other for water.

DO you have a plan? Or are you so complacent that you think it could never happen to you or yours?


Do you have a plan?  Are you prepared to live for a couple of weeks with NO resources from your government, No electricity, No gas, No heat, No phone service, No ambulances, No police and No other outside help you might expect or NEED in order to just survive?

Are you prepared to defend yourself, your family and your resources from your neighbors if they become dodgy and decide to take yours?

Has any one else thought this through?

I have a few ideas.

I would love to hear yours!
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Pyraxis on September 07, 2014, 04:26:37 PM
WolFish and I both have bug-out bags, already-packed backpacks that we could grab in a minute and have basic supplies. Meal bars, water bottles, bug nets, knives, multitools, a combination trowel/small saw, metal camping bowl for boiling water, matches and firestarters, bug spray, sunscreen, small first aid kit and a playing-card-sized deck with information about local plants and herbs on each card.

We tend to keep lots of canned food and non-perishables in the house, and I think we could easily get by for two weeks. We have a few gallon jugs of water but could probably stand to have more. There's a small porch bbq grill and a bag of coal.

We don't have guns but we have a machete and a big hunting knife. Probably couldn't defend the place against a group, too many windows (though we have the supplies to board them up) and, well, no guns. We'd probably be better off to hook up with the guys from my arnis group who have plenty of firepower.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 07, 2014, 04:50:36 PM
WolFish and I both have bug-out bags, already-packed backpacks that we could grab in a minute and have basic supplies. Meal bars, water bottles, bug nets, knives, multitools, a combination trowel/small saw, metal camping bowl for boiling water, matches and firestarters, bug spray, sunscreen, small first aid kit and a playing-card-sized deck with information about local plants and herbs on each card.

We tend to keep lots of canned food and non-perishables in the house, and I think we could easily get by for two weeks. We have a few gallon jugs of water but could probably stand to have more. There's a small porch bbq grill and a bag of coal.

We don't have guns but we have a machete and a big hunting knife. Probably couldn't defend the place against a group, too many windows (though we have the supplies to board them up) and, well, no guns. We'd probably be better off to hook up with the guys from my arnis group who have plenty of firepower.

Not sure why this went out twice, but ,  please read on.

I think this is important to me and all of us.

DO not place me among the tin foil hat bunch, but "things" are becoming stretched more and more, as you already know.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 07, 2014, 05:17:46 PM
It sounds like you understand the idea.
I am also thinking in terms of basic first aid (depending upon how basic, this one can be large, including stockpiling various antibiotics, even some controlled substances), enough water to serve yourselves for a couple or a few weeks, dry goods and canned goods which can last for months or even years.

What about salt, sugar, spices to make life worth continuing? I have just come to this. What if there is no salt? Yeah, we could all do with less sugar, but do we want to? Salt, especially "complete salt" including all the minerals of the sea can make a great difference in how we live.

Remember Ghandi. They took away his salt and he created the start of a revolution by sitting to watch evaporating sea water to make his "forbidden" salt. He felt that taxing salt was wrong and he was right.

But, I have digressed.

Back to your knives. Do you know how to fight someone off with them? Have you ever had any training that might lead you to imagine for a moment that your knives are enough to defend your lives and property from a single person determined to take your well being and all your assets from you to protect HIS OWN family?
Even those who have guns; can you honestly expect to defend your family and your food stores from invaders with your puny little weapon?

SO, you can stand there and shoot a paper target, but how about one that shoots back, then moves and shoots again, never allowing you a single glimpse of him let alone a shot at him. HOW do you fight back with your puny little skills using a target gun??
Well, you need to know how to FIGHT with a gun, instead of just standing and shooting at a static target.

My main point is, have we learned how to fight to save ourselves or have we only learned how to present a new weapon to an attacker after they take it from us and turn it against us?
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Icequeen on September 07, 2014, 05:34:44 PM

It sounds like you understand the idea.
I am also thinking in terms of basic first aid (depending upon how basic, this one can be large, including stockpiling various antibiotics, even some controlled substances), enough water to serve yourselves for a couple or a few weeks, dry goods and canned goods which can last for months or even years.

What about salt, sugar, spices to make life worth continuing? I have just come to this. What if there is no salt? Yeah, we could all do with less sugar, but do we want to? Salt, especially "complete salt" including all the minerals of the sea can make a great difference in how we live.

Remember Ghandi. They took away his salt and he created the start of a revolution by sitting to watch evaporating sea water to make his "forbidden" salt. He felt that taxing salt was wrong and he was right.

But, I have digressed.

Back to your knives. Do you know how to fight someone off with them? Have you ever had any training that might lead you to imagine for a moment that your knives are enough to defend your lives and property from a single person determined to take your well being and all your assets from you to protect HIS OWN family?
Even those who have guns; can you honestly expect to defend your family and your food stores from invaders with your puny little weapon?

My main point is, have we learned how to fight to save ourselves or have we only learned how to present a new weapon to an attacker after they take it from us and turn it against us?

Supplemented with some good old well placed traps...yes. Not that puny here.

Kerosene heaters, back up supply of fuel.
Canned goods and essentials stocked.
Blankets, candles, bottled water, oil lamps...4 wheel drive, bug out trailer in the woods with well water hidden from the main road.
Plenty of critters to hunt if need be, lots of stuff growing wild that I grew up hunting/eating...gas grills, charcoal grills, firewood....
Weapons and ammo aplenty.

Moonshine...(for medicinal needs).

We're hillbillies, hillbillies always have a back up plan. ;)
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 07, 2014, 05:44:22 PM

It sounds like you understand the idea.
I am also thinking in terms of basic first aid (depending upon how basic, this one can be large, including stockpiling various antibiotics, even some controlled substances), enough water to serve yourselves for a couple or a few weeks, dry goods and canned goods which can last for months or even years.

What about salt, sugar, spices to make life worth continuing? I have just come to this. What if there is no salt? Yeah, we could all do with less sugar, but do we want to? Salt, especially "complete salt" including all the minerals of the sea can make a great difference in how we live.

Remember Ghandi. They took away his salt and he created the start of a revolution by sitting to watch evaporating sea water to make his "forbidden" salt. He felt that taxing salt was wrong and he was right.

But, I have digressed.

Back to your knives. Do you know how to fight someone off with them? Have you ever had any training that might lead you to imagine for a moment that your knives are enough to defend your lives and property from a single person determined to take your well being and all your assets from you to protect HIS OWN family?
Even those who have guns; can you honestly expect to defend your family and your food stores from invaders with your puny little weapon?

My main point is, have we learned how to fight to save ourselves or have we only learned how to present a new weapon to an attacker after they take it from us and turn it against us?

Supplemented with some good old well placed traps...yes. Not that puny here.

Kerosene heaters, back up supply of fuel.
Canned goods and essentials stocked.
Blankets, candles, bottled water, oil lamps...4 wheel drive, bug out trailer in the woods with well water hidden from the main road.
Plenty of critters to hunt if need be, lots of stuff growing wild that I grew up hunting/eating...gas grills, charcoal grills, firewood....
Weapons and ammo aplenty.

Moonshine...(for medicinal needs).

We're hillbillies, hillbillies always have a back up plan. ;)

DAMN good start!!

I want you on MY side, if possible!

Interesting point of order about survival shit is that I think most people choose "friends" based upon how much shit they have stored.
More importantly to the end result, is to choose "friends" based upon their character and how they have lived their lives. Difficult to call in an instant, once SHTF, but having a basis of local "good people" you know of might become critical, some day.




I know this seems to scream in the face of everything I have spent my life doing (eliminating people from my life), but some people are harmless, I have learned.  AND, some people have value.

Hard to discount them all considering that the chips could be down for all at some point!
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Calandale on September 07, 2014, 05:45:58 PM
Unless it's zombies, no.


If it is, I plan on commanding my undead minions.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 07, 2014, 05:51:34 PM
Unless it's zombies, no.


If it is, I plan on commanding my undead minions.

I would expect no less.

Where you been, goof ball?
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Queen Victoria on September 07, 2014, 07:31:44 PM
Based on our ages (72 and 65) and the PR's handicaps I don't envision being able to survive anything catastrophic.  I'll leave it to the more deserving members of humanity.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on September 07, 2014, 07:35:23 PM
Based on our ages (72 and 65) and the PR's handicaps I don't envision being able to survive anything catastrophic.  I'll leave it to the more deserving members of humanity.

  You three may be less hardy, but you are no less deserving.  :hug:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Pyraxis on September 07, 2014, 07:52:17 PM
I am also thinking in terms of basic first aid (depending upon how basic, this one can be large, including stockpiling various antibiotics, even some controlled substances), enough water to serve yourselves for a couple or a few weeks, dry goods and canned goods which can last for months or even years.

WolFish stockpiles his meds anyway. On that count, the prospect of losing the ability to afford them isn't that horribly different from a disaster scenario. We don't have antibiotics though; how would you get them, considering that it's not a good idea to save a few when you get a prescription, because of the way antibiotic resistance is growing?

What about salt, sugar, spices to make life worth continuing?

We have a fairly large container of Himalayan pink salt which has the minerals that get leeched out of regular table salt. We're also not too far from the ocean. Natural sugars can be had from fruit trees.

Back to your knives. Do you know how to fight someone off with them? Have you ever had any training that might lead you to imagine for a moment that your knives are enough to defend your lives and property from a single person determined to take your well being and all your assets from you to protect HIS OWN family?

Working on it. Can't pretend that the little I know would hold up against a seasoned attacker, but enough to make me a difficult target and maybe passed over for easier pickings.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Parts on September 07, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
Civil defense has always been of interest to me and I try to be ready for most problems.  I have food, water, heaters, fuel, 2 generators, and tools and supplies to temporarily fix most anything at my house including the house itself.  As far as protecting things if it gets really bad I don't have any working guns but I do have a multitude of other weapons along with some stuff that goes boom and I'm rather devious when it comes to traps.  One of my projects that I have not started beyond the collection of materials is making a wood gasifier to power my smaller generator which would take care of the fuel problem
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on September 07, 2014, 08:18:50 PM
Civil defense has always been of interest to me and I try to be ready for most problems.  I have food, water, heaters, fuel, 2 generators, and tools and supplies to temporarily fix most anything at my house including the house itself.  As far as protecting things if it gets really bad I don't have any working guns but I do have a multitude of other weapons along with some stuff that goes boom and I'm rather devious when it comes to traps.  One of my projects that I have not started beyond the collection of materials is making a wood gasifier to power my smaller generator which would take care of the fuel problem

    My plan is to go to Parts' house.  :autism:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Queen Victoria on September 07, 2014, 09:49:06 PM
Based on our ages (72 and 65) and the PR's handicaps I don't envision being able to survive anything catastrophic.  I'll leave it to the more deserving members of humanity.

  You three may be less hardy, but you are no less deserving.  :hug:

Sorry to disagree cbc.  With limited resources and all "healthy, willing and able" hands needed, we're just not deserving of using crucial resources.  Stark truth.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Gopher Gary on September 07, 2014, 10:57:42 PM

    My plan is to go to Parts' house.  :autism:

My mom will take care of me.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Semicolon on September 08, 2014, 05:02:39 AM
Civil defense has always been of interest to me and I try to be ready for most problems.  I have food, water, heaters, fuel, 2 generators, and tools and supplies to temporarily fix most anything at my house including the house itself.  As far as protecting things if it gets really bad I don't have any working guns but I do have a multitude of other weapons along with some stuff that goes boom and I'm rather devious when it comes to traps.  One of my projects that I have not started beyond the collection of materials is making a wood gasifier to power my smaller generator which would take care of the fuel problem

    My plan is to go to Parts' house.  :autism:

Given the condition of your hometown, when will you be leaving? :trollface:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on September 08, 2014, 06:19:42 AM
  My hometown is fine at the moment.  No shootings on my street in years.   :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Semicolon on September 08, 2014, 08:40:35 AM
  My hometown is fine at the moment.  No shootings on my street in years.   :2thumbsup:

:thumbup:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on September 08, 2014, 09:27:39 AM

    My plan is to go to Parts' house.  :autism:

My mom will take care of me.  :zoinks:

  Here you are hiding in your old room while your mom is outside guarding the property!

(http://www.ianrpubs.unl.edu/epublic/live/g1509/build/graphics/g1509-1.jpg) (http://i44.tinypic.com/vwtjsw.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Parts on September 08, 2014, 12:46:08 PM
Civil defense has always been of interest to me and I try to be ready for most problems.  I have food, water, heaters, fuel, 2 generators, and tools and supplies to temporarily fix most anything at my house including the house itself.  As far as protecting things if it gets really bad I don't have any working guns but I do have a multitude of other weapons along with some stuff that goes boom and I'm rather devious when it comes to traps.  One of my projects that I have not started beyond the collection of materials is making a wood gasifier to power my smaller generator which would take care of the fuel problem

    My plan is to go to Parts' house.  :autism:

I'm taking reservations now don't wait to long or the list will be full  bring  guns, ammo, food or fuel :zoinks:  I do have a few friends who have said they would head here if things ever did get really bad and as long as people bring useful stuff fine by me.

Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on September 08, 2014, 12:48:23 PM
  I work in a kitchen.  I have access to massive quantities of food.  >:D
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Parts on September 08, 2014, 01:55:05 PM
  I work in a kitchen.  I have access to massive quantities of food.  >:D

 :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 09, 2014, 09:26:10 PM
Based on our ages (72 and 65) and the PR's handicaps I don't envision being able to survive anything catastrophic.  I'll leave it to the more deserving members of humanity.

I did not know you were so fucking old. I really thought I hated you only because you represent my most hated Monarchs. (politics can be a bitch, sometimes)

:throws jacket over puddle:  :offers hand:

Yeah, not to put too fine a point on it all, you fall into the first group of those to die, along with my own self, in an emergency "life suddenly turns impossible" situation.

Sorry.

Mostly, those with any kind of disability, affliction, advanced age, those needing medication, or those who can not walk or run for a few miles in an hour, etc,   

... SHTF  and you are out of the game.

Basically, as you probably already have done, I would say get things in order, as I have, and make yourself prepared for an end game scenario in which you will be setting your young ones free to fend for themselves, lest we become burdens and such.

My goal is to teach my kids everything I know, as fast as they can learn it and help them be as self sufficient as they can ever be.

I am amazed that you are still here (meaning, on this site), trying to help others.

I applaud your efforts.
 :2thumbsup:







... but, before we both die,  I have to ask:  What the fuck is it with the queen shit!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

To me our United States Of America was toiled on three occasions to just gain freedom from those fucking horrid Brits, then after another eighty years we went to war with our own selves, brother against brother, to resolve one of the most fundamentally WRONG things left over from British rule that a full third of the country subscribed to, STILL.

Why the fuck would you give an inkling of an assfart to a fucking Brit?  OK, I have Irish ancestors, if that helps to define my American hyper-patriotism.

I have no regard for those who  built an empire by keeping slaves, white or black or orange or yellow or tatoo'ed for that matter ...

The mere fact that it took our Perfectly described Constitution over one hundred fifty years to evict British rule disgusts me and if it results  from a  from of or a basic lack of intestinal fortitude that we Americans have suffered these horrors of left over artifacts from British rule, then we all have some work to do.. The simple words were enough. Why the fuck did it take so long to remove Ancient British rule from our shores!!??!!???


... but back to my question;  WTF is up with the fucking Queen thing?


... back to topic, though, Water?

I have this fear that most people take for granted that they can have all the water they want, but what if "all the water you want"  is contaminated?
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 09, 2014, 10:03:35 PM

    My plan is to go to Parts' house.  :autism:

My mom will take care of me.  :zoinks:

Cute.

My mom is seventy eight years old.

Yeah, she still keeps a hell of a farm full of animals going, but it is only a matter of SHORT time before THAT all ends.

Sorry, but no positive comments are allowed in this thread.

 :police:














 :lol1:

Let it rip, dude.

Give me a reason to think that TeH SHIT IS NOT ABOUT TO HIT THE FAN, etc.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Queen Victoria on September 09, 2014, 10:40:46 PM
@ DirtDawg - I'm Queen Victoria for several reasons:

I'm short (4'10"), fat (235 lbs), silver haired, and old.  Like the pictures we're most familiar with of the Queen.  I'm Queen Victoria, QueenVictoria, QueenVictoriaMum or Queen Victoria Mum on most websites.

Years ago, a banter was started here and it involved me teasing about being Queen Victoria.  Couldbecousin and some others took the ball and continued the banter.  I simply changed my name from weakling to Queen Victoria.

Lastly, the true shocker - I am really a monarchist at heart.  Elizabeth 2 was the first monarch I admired.  Next came Victoria, then Eleanor of Aquitaine (although she wasn't really a monarch - but damn, what a woman), then Mary 1, then Elizabeth 1, and lastly Anne.  My favorite king is "Henry, by G_d, King of England" (2).  I read almost any royal biography or history of London or England I can find. 

I rather like the idea of someone, the monarch, to handle most of the public relations work for the country while leaving the politics to Parliament.  And I do believe that Queen Elizabeth has the interests of her subjects in her heart and gives the Prime Minister something to think about at times.

End of explanation.  Peace between us.









Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Queen Victoria on September 09, 2014, 10:41:34 PM
This is something I will not be stockpiling for the catastrophe:

(http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5791897856/hE73BEC33/)
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Icequeen on September 09, 2014, 10:49:02 PM
Civil defense has always been of interest to me and I try to be ready for most problems.  I have food, water, heaters, fuel, 2 generators, and tools and supplies to temporarily fix most anything at my house including the house itself.  As far as protecting things if it gets really bad I don't have any working guns but I do have a multitude of other weapons along with some stuff that goes boom and I'm rather devious when it comes to traps.  One of my projects that I have not started beyond the collection of materials is making a wood gasifier to power my smaller generator which would take care of the fuel problem

    My plan is to go to Parts' house.  :autism:

I'm taking reservations now don't wait to long or the list will be full  bring  guns, ammo, food or fuel :zoinks:  I do have a few friends who have said they would head here if things ever did get really bad and as long as people bring useful stuff fine by me.

I would join forces, but I think it's too populated where you're at.

I think if the SHTF I want to be as far away from the general population as possible. :LOL:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Parts on September 10, 2014, 04:49:09 AM
Civil defense has always been of interest to me and I try to be ready for most problems.  I have food, water, heaters, fuel, 2 generators, and tools and supplies to temporarily fix most anything at my house including the house itself.  As far as protecting things if it gets really bad I don't have any working guns but I do have a multitude of other weapons along with some stuff that goes boom and I'm rather devious when it comes to traps.  One of my projects that I have not started beyond the collection of materials is making a wood gasifier to power my smaller generator which would take care of the fuel problem

    My plan is to go to Parts' house.  :autism:

I'm taking reservations now don't wait to long or the list will be full  bring  guns, ammo, food or fuel :zoinks:  I do have a few friends who have said they would head here if things ever did get really bad and as long as people bring useful stuff fine by me.

I would join forces, but I think it's too populated where you're at.

I think if the SHTF I want to be as far away from the general population as possible. :LOL:

There are definitely too many people around here but moving is just not in the cards in the near future,  so I make due with what I have
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Semicolon on September 10, 2014, 05:03:44 AM
This is something I will not be stockpiling for the catastrophe:

(http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5791897856/hE73BEC33/)

:GA:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Calandale on September 10, 2014, 05:26:23 AM
Unless it's zombies, no.


If it is, I plan on commanding my undead minions.

I would expect no less.

Where you been, goof ball?


in other threads for a while.


Before that, following different paths.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Jack on September 10, 2014, 06:19:15 AM
They're inverted.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Semicolon on September 10, 2014, 07:56:41 AM
They're inverted.

I've noticed, but I prefer no clarification on what that means. :GA:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 10, 2014, 01:24:50 PM
Unless it's zombies, no.


If it is, I plan on commanding my undead minions.

I would expect no less.

Where you been, goof ball?


in other threads for a while.


Before that, following different paths.

Glad to see you.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on September 10, 2014, 01:36:12 PM
I've had a plan for when the SHTF since I was in my early 20's.  8)
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Calandale on September 10, 2014, 04:21:28 PM
I had one earlier than that - but stopped caring much sometime in my 20's.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: 'andersom' on September 11, 2014, 01:21:01 AM
I have this fear that most people take for granted that they can have all the water they want, but what if "all the water you want"  is contaminated?

Being Dutch, and living below sea level, taking water for granted is no option.

Hoarding on water neither (apart from a few bottles). If shit hits the fan by terrorists blowing up the defense system against water, the only option is hoping to travel light and be away, or get saved, in time.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Parts on September 11, 2014, 10:08:09 AM
I have this fear that most people take for granted that they can have all the water they want, but what if "all the water you want"  is contaminated?

Being Dutch, and living below sea level, taking water for granted is no option.

Hoarding on water neither (apart from a few bottles). If shit hits the fan by terrorists blowing up the defense system against water, the only option is hoping to travel light and be away, or get saved, in time.

That would bother me,  being at just 28 feet (8.5m) above sea level where I am is bad enough.  During the last two hurricanes the surges were about 13 feet and reached the end of my road and during one they left a boat there.

As to contaminated drinking water if you know that it is rigging up a still is fairly easy or you can keep one of those camping filters handy.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Gopher Gary on September 11, 2014, 06:56:47 PM

    My plan is to go to Parts' house.  :autism:

My mom will take care of me.  :zoinks:

  Here you are hiding in your old room while your mom is outside guarding the property!

(http://www.ianrpubs.unl.edu/epublic/live/g1509/build/graphics/g1509-1.jpg) (http://i44.tinypic.com/vwtjsw.jpg)


I'm guarding the food hoard.  :zoinks: Mom wont let me have a grenade launcher.  :violin:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: odeon on September 11, 2014, 11:13:51 PM
I don't really have a plan. If things go to hell, I'm pretty sure I'll follow.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 25, 2014, 07:21:29 PM
I have this fear that most people take for granted that they can have all the water they want, but what if "all the water you want"  is contaminated?

Being Dutch, and living below sea level, taking water for granted is no option.

Hoarding on water neither (apart from a few bottles). If shit hits the fan by terrorists blowing up the defense system against water, the only option is hoping to travel light and be away, or get saved, in time.

That would bother me,  being at just 28 feet (8.5m) above sea level where I am is bad enough.  During the last two hurricanes the surges were about 13 feet and reached the end of my road and during one they left a boat there.

As to contaminated drinking water if you know that it is rigging up a still is fairly easy or you can keep one of those camping filters handy.

The still idea is brilliant and I have not seen it used much more then to make molotovs or trading liquor.

Great idea!
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 25, 2014, 07:31:57 PM
I don't really have a plan. If things go to hell, I'm pretty sure I'll follow.

TBH, I am just getting started. I have about enough food set by to last for about six months, but that only includes my family. What if other family members show up?

As long as I have been an adult, I have hoarded guns and ammo (I own a ridiculously diverse arsenal and tens of thousands of rounds of ammo, but I do not have much to protect except for our lives.) I have three safes bolted to the foundation which keep an impressive supply of weaponry, being an American and all. I can certainly arm our neighborhood, not that it would be needed; everyone here has plenty of shit to shoot with.

But, honestly, what do I have to protect with all that advanced weaponry, except our own lives.  SO, I can kill anything that moves for months, but after a few months, what do we eat?

Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 25, 2014, 07:39:44 PM


Oh, btw, I have also been hoarding seeds of all the plants I can imagine that will grow true or at all. Only problem is that most of those preparations require months to be useful.

While vacuum packed dry goods and dehydrated meats may last for many years, I have not even tried to store any that way.

Maybe we should think this through a bit.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 25, 2014, 07:41:02 PM
oops duplicate post.

Sorry
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on September 25, 2014, 07:44:56 PM

    My plan is to go to Parts' house.  :autism:

My mom will take care of me.  :zoinks:

  Here you are hiding in your old room while your mom is outside guarding the property!

(http://www.ianrpubs.unl.edu/epublic/live/g1509/build/graphics/g1509-1.jpg) (http://i44.tinypic.com/vwtjsw.jpg)


I'm guarding the food hoard.  :zoinks: Mom wont let me have a grenade launcher.  :violin:

Maybe you just need a rifle and a handgun to protect your  "whole"  in the ground.

Or I ask again, what does your  "whole" contain that is worth defending?

Rhetorical! Do not answer, but think about it for real for a few minutes.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Icequeen on September 25, 2014, 07:56:34 PM
I think the hurdle to anyone's survival will be other people...STFO and GTFO of Dodge if you want to survive.  Take the immediate family or a select few and disappear like a hermit into the woods.

It wouldn't be bad at first, but as things got worse your neighbors, your friends, those people you know that you like, but can't quite understand how they made it as far in life as they did because they aren't the brightest crayons in the box, or the ones with grown kids that are slowly sucking the life out of them (and we all know a few)...will suck you down like a drowning rat hanging onto a stick trying to stay afloat.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Pyraxis on September 25, 2014, 08:23:00 PM
I don't have a hole in the ground worth protecting. I would be happy to GTFO of dodge, but a long-term farming solution is still needed.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on October 02, 2014, 12:08:13 AM
I don't have a hole in the ground worth protecting. I would be happy to GTFO of dodge, but a long-term farming solution is still needed.

Getting the fuck out is a very short term solution. One can only carry just so much sustenance.

I do not not have an adequate plan for all contingencies either.

I have a generator (talk aboout short term!) but not enough fuel to last more than a week or so in winter. I have two wood burning stoves, but not much more than a few months worth or wood stored. I have about a years worth of dried goods, but again, not so much protein stored, AND seriously, only about a month worth of water for a family of four IF we almost die of thirst.
I am way less prepared than I wish I was.


My point for this thread is to get people thinking about What If!?!?!?!?  (dunno, hurricane, tsunami, tornado, worst case scenario? Dunno  Not the point! None of us can know what we should be prepared for.)

How prepared are you to live on your own and defend yourself for about a year or so if everything you hold dear and accept for granted ends tomorrow?

I am not prepared! I can defend our home with simple weaponry for many months. but not sure that there would be anything left to defend after a week or so.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: DirtDawg on October 03, 2014, 03:38:58 PM
Instead of allowing my last negative-feeling post put you off, think in terms of, "Wait a damn minute! What is important to me? What can I do to keep myself and my loved ones alive and safe totally on OUR OWN.?!??!"

Kind of a "thought experiment,"   mostly, but not that far removed from outside possibilities.

AM I the only one thinking about this stuff?

My plan is to increase the amount of protein we have vacuum packed, store more drinking water, ensure that no one knows what I am doing (so I do not have to use my guns, except for bringing home protein) and just keep stowing away non-perishable food, spices, generator fuel, wood, salt, alcohol (mainly for medicinal and bartering purposes), gazillions of seeds and maybe, just to keep my life full, a few sets of replacement guitar strings.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: odeon on October 05, 2014, 02:09:47 AM
If the zombie holocaust happens, I'll be able to defend our home for about a day or so. After that I'll start to worry.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Queen Victoria on October 05, 2014, 10:40:20 AM
This thread reminds me of some Civil Defense advice I read years ago.

If you were crossing the Mississippi River on a ferry and there was a nuclear attack, the ferry was supposed to turn downriver and head for the Gulf of Mexico. 

Now, there is this little ferry, limited fuel, no food or water, limited steering capability, etc. battling the monstrous sea going vessels and maneuverable tug boats to see who's going to go first.  The only good thing is that this ferry was the closest one to the Mouth of the Mississippi.

Even if we weren't run over, we'd soon die in the Gulf.   
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Gopher Gary on October 05, 2014, 07:18:39 PM
This thread reminds me of some Civil Defense advice I read years ago.

If you were crossing the Mississippi River on a ferry and there was a nuclear attack, the ferry was supposed to turn downriver and head for the Gulf of Mexico. 

Now, there is this little ferry, limited fuel, no food or water, limited steering capability, etc. battling the monstrous sea going vessels and maneuverable tug boats to see who's going to go first.  The only good thing is that this ferry was the closest one to the Mouth of the Mississippi.

Even if we weren't run over, we'd soon die in the Gulf.

Yep, and if my plane crashes into the ocean, I can use my seat as a flotation device.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Semicolon on October 06, 2014, 06:15:05 AM
If the zombie holocaust happens, I'll be able to defend our home for about a day or so. After that I'll start to worry.

If the zombies are Swedish, they'd be very uncomfortable getting within two feet of you. :orly:

This thread reminds me of some Civil Defense advice I read years ago.

If you were crossing the Mississippi River on a ferry and there was a nuclear attack, the ferry was supposed to turn downriver and head for the Gulf of Mexico. 

Now, there is this little ferry, limited fuel, no food or water, limited steering capability, etc. battling the monstrous sea going vessels and maneuverable tug boats to see who's going to go first.  The only good thing is that this ferry was the closest one to the Mouth of the Mississippi.

Even if we weren't run over, we'd soon die in the Gulf.

Yep, and if my plane crashes into the ocean, I can use my seat as a flotation device.  :zoinks:

:laugh:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: odeon on October 12, 2014, 02:08:52 AM
If the zombie holocaust happens, I'll be able to defend our home for about a day or so. After that I'll start to worry.

If the zombies are Swedish, they'd be very uncomfortable getting within two feet of you. :orly:

I'm an equal opportunity zombie hunter. Swedish zombies, Finnish zombies, UK zombies... Just bring em on. :P
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Zippo on October 12, 2014, 02:16:42 AM
yes, meat a buddy. who shail remain nameless. get some rifles. and his stash of API rounds. drop anyone who looks, sounds, or speaks remotely like the chinese. if i get my firearms license, it will be more then just me and buddy, and i will probably be doing it from a ways away with a .50 no need for AP there. uness they bring tanks, then ima run like a scared bitch.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on October 13, 2014, 08:42:54 PM
This thread reminds me of some Civil Defense advice I read years ago.

If you were crossing the Mississippi River on a ferry and there was a nuclear attack, the ferry was supposed to turn downriver and head for the Gulf of Mexico. 

Now, there is this little ferry, limited fuel, no food or water, limited steering capability, etc. battling the monstrous sea going vessels and maneuverable tug boats to see who's going to go first.  The only good thing is that this ferry was the closest one to the Mouth of the Mississippi.

Even if we weren't run over, we'd soon die in the Gulf.

Yep, and if my plane crashes into the ocean, I can use my seat as a flotation device.  :zoinks:

  My ASS is a flotation device.   :fuckyeahdance:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: 'andersom' on October 14, 2014, 04:16:23 AM
This thread reminds me of some Civil Defense advice I read years ago.

If you were crossing the Mississippi River on a ferry and there was a nuclear attack, the ferry was supposed to turn downriver and head for the Gulf of Mexico. 

Now, there is this little ferry, limited fuel, no food or water, limited steering capability, etc. battling the monstrous sea going vessels and maneuverable tug boats to see who's going to go first.  The only good thing is that this ferry was the closest one to the Mouth of the Mississippi.

Even if we weren't run over, we'd soon die in the Gulf.

Yep, and if my plane crashes into the ocean, I can use my seat as a flotation device.  :zoinks:

  My ASS is a flotation device.   :fuckyeahdance:

I thought Weeble asses were the centre of their weight.

A keel it may be, keeping you upright. But it will not keep you buoyant. That's what the rest of your Weeble body will have to do.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on February 15, 2018, 05:40:59 PM

Let us be a little nervous for a moment, without going completely psycho.

Shit Hitting The Fan may have more meaning to those of us who have a lot to lose, but I understand if you have already met this horror in your own life. You are doing what we ALL NEED to learn to do.

If that is so, then your surviving proves that you can offer us couch sitters a lot to think about.

If not, then let us all discuss how we will deal with the possibility that things could go wrong for this comfy little world we treasure so much.

I think in terms of what happened in New Orleans when Katrina hit, or when the massive earth quake hit Japan a few years ago or that historic tsunami all over SE Asia. People killed for food and dry land.

Shit Hit The Fan!  To say the least! 

Even in LA in the late 80s,  a massive earthquake that hobbled that entire "well prepared" city, created a situation where people starved and killed each other for water.

DO you have a plan? Or are you so complacent that you think it could never happen to you or yours?


Do you have a plan?  Are you prepared to live for a couple of weeks with NO resources from your government, No electricity, No gas, No heat, No phone service, No ambulances, No police and No other outside help you might expect or NEED in order to just survive?

Are you prepared to defend yourself, your family and your resources from your neighbors if they become dodgy and decide to take yours?

Has any one else thought this through?

I have a few ideas.

I would love to hear yours!

I'm building a left-handed AR-15 in 6.5mm Grendel.   8)
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Queen Victoria on February 15, 2018, 07:02:19 PM
I have no illusions.  I'm either the gang leader's fool or I'm dead meat.  Probably dead meat.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Gopher Gary on February 15, 2018, 08:51:23 PM
My mom will take care of me.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Minister Of Silly Walks on February 15, 2018, 11:43:28 PM
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I'm going to sound like a conspiracy theorist once I share my thoughts on this topic.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Calandale on February 16, 2018, 12:21:28 AM
I have plenty of tame deer and turkeys. Unfortunately, no ranged weapons here.


Wood everywhere, and an ax. Lots of hippy gardens not far away. I think I'd have
to count on some goodwill though.


With my eyesight, I'm not gonna last too long anyhow.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: odeon on February 16, 2018, 02:14:45 AM
My zombie apocalypse plans have not changed.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Minister Of Silly Walks on February 16, 2018, 02:48:28 AM
The wealth, privilege, influence and control wielded by the very wealthy is unprecedented.

There is no need for conspiracy theories, no need for the Illuminati. It's all out in the open.

A perceived, and somewhat real, threat of terrorism has allowed governments to exert a degree of control over populations that will make any sort of revolutionary overthrow of the status quo all but impossible. If Scrap and I start stockpiling weapons and plotting.... we'll be locked up as terrorists, lickety split. Or, more likely, taken out by a team of Navy Seals.

People pissed off with the status quo CAN, of course, vote for whatever weirdo is promising to make America (or Australia, or Britain) great again. But the saviour of the working class..... turns out to be a puppet of the wealthy. Unsurprisingly.

How do governments get their people to consent to this bollocks? I'm not smart enough to explain that, but you could always consult Chomsky. Chomsky has been Woke As Fuck since the fucking stone age or thereabouts.

TLDR: Shit's not gonna hit the fan. Because the people who really run the world have waaaaay too much to lose, more than people like us can even imagine. We are accepting their new status quo already - job security gone, real income linked to productivity gone, real democracy gone.

Of course there are things beyond the control of the oligarchs. Huge natural disasters (Lake Toba or Yellowstone goes off, the magnetic poles decide to switch, global warming turns out to be real after all and we hit a "tipping point" we didn't see coming) or a global pandemic (not limited to a zombie apocalypse) and most of us are going to be fucked.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Calandale on February 16, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
The wealth, privilege, influence and control wielded by the very wealthy is unprecedented.




Oh, I wouldn't say that. We don't even have a god king.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Queen Victoria on February 16, 2018, 12:24:18 PM
The wealth, privilege, influence and control wielded by the very wealthy is unprecedented.




Oh, I wouldn't say that. We don't even have a god king.

No, but I2 has a good Queen or two.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Minister Of Silly Walks on February 16, 2018, 03:13:38 PM
The wealth, privilege, influence and control wielded by the very wealthy is unprecedented.




Oh, I wouldn't say that. We don't even have a god king.

Nobody appreciates good hyperbole any more!
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Jack on February 16, 2018, 05:08:39 PM
Jack appreciated it; that was good.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Lestat on February 18, 2018, 06:46:49 AM
If yellowstone decides to blow its top, pretty much half the continent is buggered, no? an explosion THAT big is going to wipe out everything in the immediate vicinity (orders of magnitude beyond the kind of ground zero any kind of terrorist attack bar perhaps an efficient and well-coordinated successful biological attack by a group with resources could possibly hope to cause [the thought of something like a hybridization of ebola reston (harmless to humans, but airborne, unlike ebola zaire, sudan, tai forest and bundibugyo) with ebola zaire or sudan (the two most lethal, respectively but neither is vectored via airborne transmission, bar close-range secondary transmission of coughed up blood aerosols affecting those providing  immediate care)...shit, it wouldn't even need a geneticist's knowledge. Given the way viruses replicate, infecting a host with both strains could be as little as  it takes to create, potentially, an airborne, lethal filovirus-based weapon).

Then theres aftershocks, disruption of power supplies and one bloody big toxic, corrosive hadean fart of a gas cloud. Only those on the very outskirts of a disaster like that, or else access to private aircraft (maybe, assuming they weren't wiped out immediately, at medium damage range..just maybe..not sure how feasible that would be). Any closer than on the outskirts of the range, theres just no GTFO from something like that. 

In a human-based (as opposed to zombie apocalypse scenario where you need to physically destroy heads and endless-waves of brain-hungry corpses) SHTF, I could defend this place for a while I should think, using poison gas, phosphorus bombs, conventional fuel-based incendiaries and explosives. Not got the likes of the latter ready made, but mixing together a fuel-oxidizer type low-explosive mixture and using it to propel shrapnel would be fairly effective against a mob at the door type scenario.

If its ALL gone to hell in a handbasket, and things are reduced to pockets of survivors then I'd be packing the more useful of the chemistry set and resources, first thing though would be to grab my sword and rob as many DIY stores, pharmacies and sources of edible provisions, plus the gardening supplies to grow crops (although I do  have a fairly good knowledge of what you can eat as far as things that grow), and yes, if things got that bad, and the resource hotspots that would need to be targeted first, as above, and fuel supplies etc.  staff put up resistance they'd get the choice of either forming up some resistance effort or being killed for getting in the way.

Should be able to fabricate some moderately-effective firearms using the lathe (even without power, it would be possible to run it, given that its powered by a gear system and drive belt, so interfacing it with a liquid fuelled motor ought to be doable long enough to bore out something akin to a shotgun barrel and it wouldn't take me long to make some black powder, I have everything needed if I wanted to put it to that use, save the charcoal, and I could come up with that easily enough..or better, save the nitrates for nitric acid production and HE manufacture..used to do all kinds of such things as a kid and young teen. Probably have to switch to perchlorate or chlorate-based explosives when the nitrate supplies run down...but for some personal protection or hunting it'd do.  ) Or in an emergency, rely on torsion-propelled weapons and blowgun weapons. Theres an awful lot of nasty things I could come up with for that, be it chemically synthesized or extracted from plants.

Weaponry-wise, given a little time, then even a rocket-launcher wouldn't be out of the question. Not sure how well the best I could do would fare against a modern tank with explosive-reactive armor plate, spaced armor etc. but could probably come up with something that would do for older models using homogenous armor (first idea would be to go for killing the crew and doing minimal damage to the vehicle itself with HESH rounds, HE rounds designed to form a pad of explosive on the outer surface of the tank wall, and then blow the explosive, the shockwaves passing through the armor cause the metal on the interior side to spall off at high speed and make meatpaste out of the crew)


Have a few rather valuable goods for trade, albeit that are of no use to me in a survival situation-a very large stash of penicillin-group antibiotics. I use the stuff for cultures, but couldn't take them to treat an infection since I'm allergic. But something like that  would be better than currency in the case of everything going 'fallout'

Pros in favour of my survival longterm-useful as hell to have around given my knowledgebase and supplies, ability to prepare and use explosives, which few would be able to access here in the UK, likewise, chemical weapons if needed, DAMN good knowledge of wild edible and toxic and medicinal plants and fungi, medical knowledge. Logical personality and good ability to keep my head screwed on in a crisis.

Cons-long term leg injury, need to take pain meds, would have to detox from daily opioid use and taper using supplies...liberated..from the pharmacies, using as many of the non-opioid metabolic manipulation type tricks I know. And it'd slow me down from day to day, using pain relief only at night (otherwise I just can't sleep).

Very low tolerance for idiots. Too many of them around. If someone is going to endanger me due to that, chances are it wouldn't be the zombies and/or plague that killed them. It'd be me if they didn't shape up quickly. I'd sooner be eating them than have someone's stupidity get me killed. Which might well not be too popular with fellow survivors.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Minister Of Silly Walks on February 18, 2018, 06:27:20 PM
The last time a supervolcano went off was Lake Toba (in Sumatra) 70,000 years ago.

Quote
Proponents of the genetic bottleneck theory (including Robock) suggest that the Toba eruption resulted in a global ecological disaster, including destruction of vegetation along with severe drought in the tropical rainforest belt and in monsoonal regions. For example, a 10-year volcanic winter triggered by the eruption could have largely destroyed the food sources of humans and caused a severe reduction in population sizes. Τhese environmental changes may have generated population bottlenecks in many species, including hominids; this in turn may have accelerated differentiation from within the smaller human population. Therefore, the genetic differences among modern humans may reflect changes within the last 70,000 years, rather than gradual differentiation over hundreds of thousands of years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory

So the eruption itself might wipe out half a continent, but the whole world is in trouble from the after effects.

Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Lestat on February 18, 2018, 08:19:32 PM
I imagine the population reduction would  be lesser, on a global scale than it would have been 70 thousand years ago, given the presence of more advanced resources  to call on, rather than bugger all but skins and stone tools. Would still be a fucking mess at best. At least the stinking rich (or is that rich and  stinking...)would  probably survive, as long as they didn't happen to be on the north american landmass at the time. Isn't that reassuring.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Calandale on February 18, 2018, 10:01:46 PM
I'm not sure. Marshalling enough resources to try and keep alive the huge overage of humans
infesting the planet is probably beyond the overall capacity - and we'd probably see a reduction
in line with what natural techniques could actually support. That would be a larger die off of
humans than such disasters would have created proportionally. Whatever additional survival
would accrue from vestigial technology centers that might remain would not come close to
offsetting the overpopulation currently present.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Lestat on February 18, 2018, 10:48:26 PM
I wasn't trying to suggest it would even come close to negating the massive die-off. My point was that at least some response can be mounted, what with the ability to preserve and stockpile food, clean tainted water, recycle water in closed environments etc.

And depending on the scope of the die-off, it might well be futile and counterproductive to mount relief efforts worldwide. The poorer countries, africa etc. would probably either be accorded great pity and corresponding aid, or fucked off as they have been plenty of times already.

From a european point of view (discounting  an american point of view, since there wouldn't be much of it left, and they wouldn't be distributing aid, they'd be asking for it) then it would make more sense to batten down the hatches and try and survive it, rather than pissing away  resources to people who are probably not going to survive it anyway.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Calandale on February 19, 2018, 12:41:44 AM
I don't think the national govts would survive.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Lestat on February 19, 2018, 03:39:02 AM
Aside from the fact I care about certain individuals in the US (and especially, an ex of mine lives in montana, and I really, really wouldn't want to see her end up vaporized or gassed. Starving to death is unlikely in her case since she'd be close enough to ground zero for there to be nowt left of her but a fossil at best, and considering shes 52 IIRC she has thus far retained a near uncanny degree of the glow of youth about her, so that would be a pretty rotten downturn for her generally speaking, and completely fuck over the advantage of her good genes in that respect....if it isn't bad enough luck that your located close to ground zero at the natural equivalent of a bloody big arsenal of nuclear weapons all set to go off right up your ass, its adding insult to injury to add sandblasting to one's facial and bodily care regime to the sort of degree that quite defies both description and irony both)

Natures way of fucking someone in the ass so hard that it turns into getting skullfucked.

And a few other people close enough that I really care about within the 'totally fucked for sure' zone (not quite sure how far it would extend to, where survivors might begin, at least in the short term, those who weren't instantly annihilated by the initial blast, magma, clouds of acidic toxic gases, sulfur vapor and pyroclastic flows, to possibly exist, but I've enough idea to know where WOULD  be wiped out for sure, that much doesn't take too much thought given the size of the latent natural disaster in question).
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Jack on February 19, 2018, 04:37:47 PM
Apocalyptic volcanic meltdowns aside, and back to the OP. Live in an area with high potential for natural disaster, so short term emergency preparedness is a given. Personal preparedness plans improved quite a bit about a year ago; it's as if I felt it coming.
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Lestat on February 19, 2018, 08:51:12 PM
Here, its far, far FAR less likely to be a natural disaster, unless the natural disaster is of of such massive scale and takes place elsewhere and whatever hits here, is the knock-on effects  of a more far off ground-zero. Its more likely to be something of the 'allahu akhbar' kind. It'll be sand-niggers if its anything, for bloody sure it will. HERE, its not in the city center where I live, so less likely to get carbombed, and away from any major tourist destinations or major public transport hubs, nightclubs etc. and not right next door to anything else that screams 'major towelhead-bait'.

The home itself I could defend with as mentioned, a fairly noxious chemical arsenal. Not pre-made 'official' chemical weapons, but enough highly hazardous materials to throw at an attacker, be they toxic, corrosive, incendiary or all of those, and if expecting repeat attacks after giving a group a very, very hostile meet-and-greet, then the ingredients for pipe bombs, self-igniting sulfuric acid layer with the napalm/sugar&chlorate paper-wrapped upgraded molotov cocktails, with white phosphorus added if I'm feeling particularly nasty and pissed at the fact that some towelhead mob just tried to storm the house. There's a sword and set of nunchaku for close quarters hand to hand fighting should a burglar carry a bat or a knife. Chemical assault for any armed with a gun, and if needs be, a mind that is inventive, and as a result capable of coming up with some pretty devious nasty surprises at short notice. There are some stolen weaponry that I am trying to have recovered atm, a dart rifle, airgun and something else. Also if I have to, whilst I've not practiced in a while, I used to practice throwing knives, and if surprised in the kitchen and not having some sort of nasty chemical in a beaker or flask and using the part of the kitchen at night, that is located right next to the door so I can ventilate nasty fumes and dissipate them without either coming to harm, or  doing any to neighbors, unless the neighbors decide to BE the burglars, that I don't see as too likely, despite not being ideally balanced, the big kitchen knife is heavy, and sharp, and something like hamstringing a home-invader posing a lesser threat would be easy enough. Or thrown for a kill shot to the neck if I had to. And I'd not be above stabbing a dangerous and armed attacker in the spine from behind or throwing a knife into their back to get their attention and following it up with a smack in the face with a big hammer, or a face full of something that eats faces and leaves a smoking hole in its wake. An attacker thats been blinded is an attacker that isn't going to be concentrating on anything but screaming and trying like hell to wash their eyes out before they are melted out of their head. I know that much, the one and only thing you think of after an eye-burn is 'my fucking EYES!!!!, fucking shit MY EYES!!' and cleaning them out, neutralizing the burn.

During which time of course I'd be busily hamstringing or spine-fucking and knocking the seven shades of shit out of a burglar with whatever heavy and/or pointy and sharp object.

For bug-out, big backpack, and plenty supplies to pack in it, the epicenter of a natural disaster is very unlikely to be here, so there'd be some time to throw some supplies together into it. Bottled water, agents that can chemically sterilize water, the food available at the time, immediately take out as much money as quickly as possible, seeing to my medical needs in whatever method necessary, basic supplies, both a good pocket knife with quality short and longer pocket-knife scale blades and various tools, plus a bigger, sturdier lock-blade that is heavier and stronger than the pocket knife blades for heavier duty work. I'd pack a basic set of the most useful chemicals for use as fire-starters, fuels, and flasks, tube of dow-corning vacuum grease to lubricate the joints, plus the ingredients for crafting items useful for trade, and for medical use, such as pain relieving and stimulant and sedative/hypnotic/anticonvulsant type uses. Crafting weaponry if needed, and explosives of both propellant type and HE charges for blasting in order to obtain more metals than a few blanks I can just use for quick and needed items. I'd take the small files, a larger one, a wood rasp, claw and lump hammer, and nails, screwdrivers and screws. Hand-cranked drill and bits of various sizes and both handheld small hacksaw and blades, and the bigger hacksaw and blades, plus a small, lightweight tungsten carbide abrasive wiresaw that can cut glass and ceramics and stone, wood saws. Don't have an axe but one could be made from iron bearing ores and charcoal reduction (so as not to waste non-replaceable, finite resources like aluminium or magnesium dust.)

A ball-mill chamber would be something I ought to build anyway, and that could be powered over long time by a water-wheel powered drive system. For making metal powders to use in thermite type casting. Plus the hardened steel shot to act as a grinding medium. Also I'd take reagent supplies for identifying minerals for potential refining and smelting to prepare metal tools I didn't take with me. I've also been wanting to put together a local map and country-wide map of the regional availability of 
minerals that can be put to use in serving as ores and specific localities where I can find deposits, and of what, to use the glass-drills I have to bore holes for charges to fracture the rock when, in the long term, mining for metals and teaching other survivors my metallurgy knowledge and survival chemistry to help people get themselves MORE important resources for rebuilding a society, such as nitric acid for explosives, and for leaching out metal salts from ores, other acid production, for batteries. Lead recycling for rebuilding lead battery electrodes, soldering. Spools of electrical wire and high-quality graphite electrodes for use in building an arc-welder to be powered by diesel/petrol fueled motors, the welding face shield and clear face shield and long gloves for chemistry work.


And things like epoxy adhesives DIY'ed, (glues and strong tape and whatever electrical supplies available and portable would be another thing on the list of things to take, as would metal blanks of brass and steel for crafting things like animal traps, the spring-ey part of a crossbow, rope, thinner string, guitar-strings that could be used for animal snare traps and sprung-peg snares that use the tension in a bent-over small tree trunk to catch an animal by the neck and either snap its neck or else strangle it to death if the tree trunk anchored with a short piece of cord to both the snare and a carved pair of wooden pegs to form a trigger thats set off by an animal as it blunders through the trap, snapping the tree-trunk up in the air (or alternatively, set to side-swipe with a row of barbed, sharpened stakes for impaling the dinner, and if it doesn't either kill or immobilize the prey  then severely wounding and allowing it to be tracked  by the blood trail until it is so weakened as not to be able to carry on.)

Of course thats the sort of nasty and cruel type of trap that I'd never use bar a survival situation,

I'd take bigger flasks for distilling water, and for use in distilling alcohol for easily ignitable fuel and some high surface area platinum-plated metal mesh for use in firestarting on an indefinite basis, via catalytic ignition of methanol vapor, the MeOH coming from the heads fraction of distilled drinking/disinfecting and of course both recreational and trading alcoholic spirits. With the platinized metal mesh or ceramic wool support etc. then that could be used for a very large number of ignitions, starting methanol fueled engines, although of course that sort of non-replaceable firestarter would not be traded for anything short of firearms and ammunition, and even then only small portions for a large trade of survival needs. And of course both gas masks and as many canisters as possible, taking more from the nearest sources of them, by lethal force if necessary. I'd fortify a DIY store, I think for use as a base of operations. After first stripping the pharmacies bare of medication in order to have both a large surplus of medicine for bartering, and for both caring for myself and offering my  services as a medic in whatever ways possible that didn't compromise my own needs to those who either are loved ones or those I already care for before TSHTF or at a price, if it took resources, to the wounded. I'd be more willing to help for less of course the less resources it took from me. More expensive treatments would cost more in barter. Be it food, needed information.

Here is a question-if TSHTF bigtime, who here knows for sure (not necessarily having done so, I can safely say I never have but do not possess the least doubt that if I had to to survive, that I could do so and keep it down) that they could eat people they knew to be fresh? or if needs be even direr, make sure a person-dinner is REALLY fresh as of just a few minutes ago?

In the case of the apocalypse, I reckon I'd be fairly well prepared
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on February 19, 2018, 09:40:37 PM
In case of an electromagnetic pulse, I have a points-type distributor and carburetor for my '94 F-150.

Because it has the Windsor engine, I can swap the electronic fuel injection and electronic ignition for oldschool tech that will still work in a radioactive wasteland.  8)
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on February 19, 2018, 09:44:10 PM
Here, its far, far FAR less likely to be a natural disaster, unless the natural disaster is of of such massive scale and takes place elsewhere and whatever hits here, is the knock-on effects  of a more far off ground-zero. Its more likely to be something of the 'allahu akhbar' kind. It'll be sand-niggers if its anything, for bloody sure it will. HERE, its not in the city center where I live, so less likely to get carbombed, and away from any major tourist destinations or major public transport hubs, nightclubs etc. and not right next door to anything else that screams 'major towelhead-bait'.

The home itself I could defend with as mentioned, a fairly noxious chemical arsenal. Not pre-made 'official' chemical weapons, but enough highly hazardous materials to throw at an attacker, be they toxic, corrosive, incendiary or all of those, and if expecting repeat attacks after giving a group a very, very hostile meet-and-greet, then the ingredients for pipe bombs, self-igniting sulfuric acid layer with the napalm/sugar&chlorate paper-wrapped upgraded molotov cocktails, with white phosphorus added if I'm feeling particularly nasty and pissed at the fact that some towelhead mob just tried to storm the house. There's a sword and set of nunchaku for close quarters hand to hand fighting should a burglar carry a bat or a knife. Chemical assault for any armed with a gun, and if needs be, a mind that is inventive, and as a result capable of coming up with some pretty devious nasty surprises at short notice. There are some stolen weaponry that I am trying to have recovered atm, a dart rifle, airgun and something else. Also if I have to, whilst I've not practiced in a while, I used to practice throwing knives, and if surprised in the kitchen and not having some sort of nasty chemical in a beaker or flask and using the part of the kitchen at night, that is located right next to the door so I can ventilate nasty fumes and dissipate them without either coming to harm, or  doing any to neighbors, unless the neighbors decide to BE the burglars, that I don't see as too likely, despite not being ideally balanced, the big kitchen knife is heavy, and sharp, and something like hamstringing a home-invader posing a lesser threat would be easy enough. Or thrown for a kill shot to the neck if I had to. And I'd not be above stabbing a dangerous and armed attacker in the spine from behind or throwing a knife into their back to get their attention and following it up with a smack in the face with a big hammer, or a face full of something that eats faces and leaves a smoking hole in its wake. An attacker thats been blinded is an attacker that isn't going to be concentrating on anything but screaming and trying like hell to wash their eyes out before they are melted out of their head. I know that much, the one and only thing you think of after an eye-burn is 'my fucking EYES!!!!, fucking shit MY EYES!!' and cleaning them out, neutralizing the burn.

During which time of course I'd be busily hamstringing or spine-fucking and knocking the seven shades of shit out of a burglar with whatever heavy and/or pointy and sharp object.

For bug-out, big backpack, and plenty supplies to pack in it, the epicenter of a natural disaster is very unlikely to be here, so there'd be some time to throw some supplies together into it. Bottled water, agents that can chemically sterilize water, the food available at the time, immediately take out as much money as quickly as possible, seeing to my medical needs in whatever method necessary, basic supplies, both a good pocket knife with quality short and longer pocket-knife scale blades and various tools, plus a bigger, sturdier lock-blade that is heavier and stronger than the pocket knife blades for heavier duty work. I'd pack a basic set of the most useful chemicals for use as fire-starters, fuels, and flasks, tube of dow-corning vacuum grease to lubricate the joints, plus the ingredients for crafting items useful for trade, and for medical use, such as pain relieving and stimulant and sedative/hypnotic/anticonvulsant type uses. Crafting weaponry if needed, and explosives of both propellant type and HE charges for blasting in order to obtain more metals than a few blanks I can just use for quick and needed items. I'd take the small files, a larger one, a wood rasp, claw and lump hammer, and nails, screwdrivers and screws. Hand-cranked drill and bits of various sizes and both handheld small hacksaw and blades, and the bigger hacksaw and blades, plus a small, lightweight tungsten carbide abrasive wiresaw that can cut glass and ceramics and stone, wood saws. Don't have an axe but one could be made from iron bearing ores and charcoal reduction (so as not to waste non-replaceable, finite resources like aluminium or magnesium dust.)

A ball-mill chamber would be something I ought to build anyway, and that could be powered over long time by a water-wheel powered drive system. For making metal powders to use in thermite type casting. Plus the hardened steel shot to act as a grinding medium. Also I'd take reagent supplies for identifying minerals for potential refining and smelting to prepare metal tools I didn't take with me. I've also been wanting to put together a local map and country-wide map of the regional availability of 
minerals that can be put to use in serving as ores and specific localities where I can find deposits, and of what, to use the glass-drills I have to bore holes for charges to fracture the rock when, in the long term, mining for metals and teaching other survivors my metallurgy knowledge and survival chemistry to help people get themselves MORE important resources for rebuilding a society, such as nitric acid for explosives, and for leaching out metal salts from ores, other acid production, for batteries. Lead recycling for rebuilding lead battery electrodes, soldering. Spools of electrical wire and high-quality graphite electrodes for use in building an arc-welder to be powered by diesel/petrol fueled motors, the welding face shield and clear face shield and long gloves for chemistry work.


And things like epoxy adhesives DIY'ed, (glues and strong tape and whatever electrical supplies available and portable would be another thing on the list of things to take, as would metal blanks of brass and steel for crafting things like animal traps, the spring-ey part of a crossbow, rope, thinner string, guitar-strings that could be used for animal snare traps and sprung-peg snares that use the tension in a bent-over small tree trunk to catch an animal by the neck and either snap its neck or else strangle it to death if the tree trunk anchored with a short piece of cord to both the snare and a carved pair of wooden pegs to form a trigger thats set off by an animal as it blunders through the trap, snapping the tree-trunk up in the air (or alternatively, set to side-swipe with a row of barbed, sharpened stakes for impaling the dinner, and if it doesn't either kill or immobilize the prey  then severely wounding and allowing it to be tracked  by the blood trail until it is so weakened as not to be able to carry on.)

Of course thats the sort of nasty and cruel type of trap that I'd never use bar a survival situation,

I'd take bigger flasks for distilling water, and for use in distilling alcohol for easily ignitable fuel and some high surface area platinum-plated metal mesh for use in firestarting on an indefinite basis, via catalytic ignition of methanol vapor, the MeOH coming from the heads fraction of distilled drinking/disinfecting and of course both recreational and trading alcoholic spirits. With the platinized metal mesh or ceramic wool support etc. then that could be used for a very large number of ignitions, starting methanol fueled engines, although of course that sort of non-replaceable firestarter would not be traded for anything short of firearms and ammunition, and even then only small portions for a large trade of survival needs. And of course both gas masks and as many canisters as possible, taking more from the nearest sources of them, by lethal force if necessary. I'd fortify a DIY store, I think for use as a base of operations. After first stripping the pharmacies bare of medication in order to have both a large surplus of medicine for bartering, and for both caring for myself and offering my  services as a medic in whatever ways possible that didn't compromise my own needs to those who either are loved ones or those I already care for before TSHTF or at a price, if it took resources, to the wounded. I'd be more willing to help for less of course the less resources it took from me. More expensive treatments would cost more in barter. Be it food, needed information.

Here is a question-if TSHTF bigtime, who here knows for sure (not necessarily having done so, I can safely say I never have but do not possess the least doubt that if I had to to survive, that I could do so and keep it down) that they could eat people they knew to be fresh? or if needs be even direr, make sure a person-dinner is REALLY fresh as of just a few minutes ago?

In the case of the apocalypse, I reckon I'd be fairly well prepared
Here, its far, far FAR less likely to be a natural disaster, unless the natural disaster is of of such massive scale and takes place elsewhere and whatever hits here, is the knock-on effects  of a more far off ground-zero. Its more likely to be something of the 'allahu akhbar' kind. It'll be sand-niggers if its anything, for bloody sure it will. HERE, its not in the city center where I live, so less likely to get carbombed, and away from any major tourist destinations or major public transport hubs, nightclubs etc. and not right next door to anything else that screams 'major towelhead-bait'.

The home itself I could defend with as mentioned, a fairly noxious chemical arsenal. Not pre-made 'official' chemical weapons, but enough highly hazardous materials to throw at an attacker, be they toxic, corrosive, incendiary or all of those, and if expecting repeat attacks after giving a group a very, very hostile meet-and-greet, then the ingredients for pipe bombs, self-igniting sulfuric acid layer with the napalm/sugar&chlorate paper-wrapped upgraded molotov cocktails, with white phosphorus added if I'm feeling particularly nasty and pissed at the fact that some towelhead mob just tried to storm the house. There's a sword and set of nunchaku for close quarters hand to hand fighting should a burglar carry a bat or a knife. Chemical assault for any armed with a gun, and if needs be, a mind that is inventive, and as a result capable of coming up with some pretty devious nasty surprises at short notice. There are some stolen weaponry that I am trying to have recovered atm, a dart rifle, airgun and something else. Also if I have to, whilst I've not practiced in a while, I used to practice throwing knives, and if surprised in the kitchen and not having some sort of nasty chemical in a beaker or flask and using the part of the kitchen at night, that is located right next to the door so I can ventilate nasty fumes and dissipate them without either coming to harm, or  doing any to neighbors, unless the neighbors decide to BE the burglars, that I don't see as too likely, despite not being ideally balanced, the big kitchen knife is heavy, and sharp, and something like hamstringing a home-invader posing a lesser threat would be easy enough. Or thrown for a kill shot to the neck if I had to. And I'd not be above stabbing a dangerous and armed attacker in the spine from behind or throwing a knife into their back to get their attention and following it up with a smack in the face with a big hammer, or a face full of something that eats faces and leaves a smoking hole in its wake. An attacker thats been blinded is an attacker that isn't going to be concentrating on anything but screaming and trying like hell to wash their eyes out before they are melted out of their head. I know that much, the one and only thing you think of after an eye-burn is 'my fucking EYES!!!!, fucking shit MY EYES!!' and cleaning them out, neutralizing the burn.

During which time of course I'd be busily hamstringing or spine-fucking and knocking the seven shades of shit out of a burglar with whatever heavy and/or pointy and sharp object.

For bug-out, big backpack, and plenty supplies to pack in it, the epicenter of a natural disaster is very unlikely to be here, so there'd be some time to throw some supplies together into it. Bottled water, agents that can chemically sterilize water, the food available at the time, immediately take out as much money as quickly as possible, seeing to my medical needs in whatever method necessary, basic supplies, both a good pocket knife with quality short and longer pocket-knife scale blades and various tools, plus a bigger, sturdier lock-blade that is heavier and stronger than the pocket knife blades for heavier duty work. I'd pack a basic set of the most useful chemicals for use as fire-starters, fuels, and flasks, tube of dow-corning vacuum grease to lubricate the joints, plus the ingredients for crafting items useful for trade, and for medical use, such as pain relieving and stimulant and sedative/hypnotic/anticonvulsant type uses. Crafting weaponry if needed, and explosives of both propellant type and HE charges for blasting in order to obtain more metals than a few blanks I can just use for quick and needed items. I'd take the small files, a larger one, a wood rasp, claw and lump hammer, and nails, screwdrivers and screws. Hand-cranked drill and bits of various sizes and both handheld small hacksaw and blades, and the bigger hacksaw and blades, plus a small, lightweight tungsten carbide abrasive wiresaw that can cut glass and ceramics and stone, wood saws. Don't have an axe but one could be made from iron bearing ores and charcoal reduction (so as not to waste non-replaceable, finite resources like aluminium or magnesium dust.)

A ball-mill chamber would be something I ought to build anyway, and that could be powered over long time by a water-wheel powered drive system. For making metal powders to use in thermite type casting. Plus the hardened steel shot to act as a grinding medium. Also I'd take reagent supplies for identifying minerals for potential refining and smelting to prepare metal tools I didn't take with me. I've also been wanting to put together a local map and country-wide map of the regional availability of 
minerals that can be put to use in serving as ores and specific localities where I can find deposits, and of what, to use the glass-drills I have to bore holes for charges to fracture the rock when, in the long term, mining for metals and teaching other survivors my metallurgy knowledge and survival chemistry to help people get themselves MORE important resources for rebuilding a society, such as nitric acid for explosives, and for leaching out metal salts from ores, other acid production, for batteries. Lead recycling for rebuilding lead battery electrodes, soldering. Spools of electrical wire and high-quality graphite electrodes for use in building an arc-welder to be powered by diesel/petrol fueled motors, the welding face shield and clear face shield and long gloves for chemistry work.


And things like epoxy adhesives DIY'ed, (glues and strong tape and whatever electrical supplies available and portable would be another thing on the list of things to take, as would metal blanks of brass and steel for crafting things like animal traps, the spring-ey part of a crossbow, rope, thinner string, guitar-strings that could be used for animal snare traps and sprung-peg snares that use the tension in a bent-over small tree trunk to catch an animal by the neck and either snap its neck or else strangle it to death if the tree trunk anchored with a short piece of cord to both the snare and a carved pair of wooden pegs to form a trigger thats set off by an animal as it blunders through the trap, snapping the tree-trunk up in the air (or alternatively, set to side-swipe with a row of barbed, sharpened stakes for impaling the dinner, and if it doesn't either kill or immobilize the prey  then severely wounding and allowing it to be tracked  by the blood trail until it is so weakened as not to be able to carry on.)

Of course thats the sort of nasty and cruel type of trap that I'd never use bar a survival situation,

I'd take bigger flasks for distilling water, and for use in distilling alcohol for easily ignitable fuel and some high surface area platinum-plated metal mesh for use in firestarting on an indefinite basis, via catalytic ignition of methanol vapor, the MeOH coming from the heads fraction of distilled drinking/disinfecting and of course both recreational and trading alcoholic spirits. With the platinized metal mesh or ceramic wool support etc. then that could be used for a very large number of ignitions, starting methanol fueled engines, although of course that sort of non-replaceable firestarter would not be traded for anything short of firearms and ammunition, and even then only small portions for a large trade of survival needs. And of course both gas masks and as many canisters as possible, taking more from the nearest sources of them, by lethal force if necessary. I'd fortify a DIY store, I think for use as a base of operations. After first stripping the pharmacies bare of medication in order to have both a large surplus of medicine for bartering, and for both caring for myself and offering my  services as a medic in whatever ways possible that didn't compromise my own needs to those who either are loved ones or those I already care for before TSHTF or at a price, if it took resources, to the wounded. I'd be more willing to help for less of course the less resources it took from me. More expensive treatments would cost more in barter. Be it food, needed information.

Here is a question-if TSHTF bigtime, who here knows for sure (not necessarily having done so, I can safely say I never have but do not possess the least doubt that if I had to to survive, that I could do so and keep it down) that they could eat people they knew to be fresh? or if needs be even direr, make sure a person-dinner is REALLY fresh as of just a few minutes ago?

In the case of the apocalypse, I reckon I'd be fairly well prepared
Here, its far, far FAR less likely to be a natural disaster, unless the natural disaster is of of such massive scale and takes place elsewhere and whatever hits here, is the knock-on effects  of a more far off ground-zero. Its more likely to be something of the 'allahu akhbar' kind. It'll be sand-niggers if its anything, for bloody sure it will. HERE, its not in the city center where I live, so less likely to get carbombed, and away from any major tourist destinations or major public transport hubs, nightclubs etc. and not right next door to anything else that screams 'major towelhead-bait'.

The home itself I could defend with as mentioned, a fairly noxious chemical arsenal. Not pre-made 'official' chemical weapons, but enough highly hazardous materials to throw at an attacker, be they toxic, corrosive, incendiary or all of those, and if expecting repeat attacks after giving a group a very, very hostile meet-and-greet, then the ingredients for pipe bombs, self-igniting sulfuric acid layer with the napalm/sugar&chlorate paper-wrapped upgraded molotov cocktails, with white phosphorus added if I'm feeling particularly nasty and pissed at the fact that some towelhead mob just tried to storm the house. There's a sword and set of nunchaku for close quarters hand to hand fighting should a burglar carry a bat or a knife. Chemical assault for any armed with a gun, and if needs be, a mind that is inventive, and as a result capable of coming up with some pretty devious nasty surprises at short notice. There are some stolen weaponry that I am trying to have recovered atm, a dart rifle, airgun and something else. Also if I have to, whilst I've not practiced in a while, I used to practice throwing knives, and if surprised in the kitchen and not having some sort of nasty chemical in a beaker or flask and using the part of the kitchen at night, that is located right next to the door so I can ventilate nasty fumes and dissipate them without either coming to harm, or  doing any to neighbors, unless the neighbors decide to BE the burglars, that I don't see as too likely, despite not being ideally balanced, the big kitchen knife is heavy, and sharp, and something like hamstringing a home-invader posing a lesser threat would be easy enough. Or thrown for a kill shot to the neck if I had to. And I'd not be above stabbing a dangerous and armed attacker in the spine from behind or throwing a knife into their back to get their attention and following it up with a smack in the face with a big hammer, or a face full of something that eats faces and leaves a smoking hole in its wake. An attacker thats been blinded is an attacker that isn't going to be concentrating on anything but screaming and trying like hell to wash their eyes out before they are melted out of their head. I know that much, the one and only thing you think of after an eye-burn is 'my fucking EYES!!!!, fucking shit MY EYES!!' and cleaning them out, neutralizing the burn.

During which time of course I'd be busily hamstringing or spine-fucking and knocking the seven shades of shit out of a burglar with whatever heavy and/or pointy and sharp object.

For bug-out, big backpack, and plenty supplies to pack in it, the epicenter of a natural disaster is very unlikely to be here, so there'd be some time to throw some supplies together into it. Bottled water, agents that can chemically sterilize water, the food available at the time, immediately take out as much money as quickly as possible, seeing to my medical needs in whatever method necessary, basic supplies, both a good pocket knife with quality short and longer pocket-knife scale blades and various tools, plus a bigger, sturdier lock-blade that is heavier and stronger than the pocket knife blades for heavier duty work. I'd pack a basic set of the most useful chemicals for use as fire-starters, fuels, and flasks, tube of dow-corning vacuum grease to lubricate the joints, plus the ingredients for crafting items useful for trade, and for medical use, such as pain relieving and stimulant and sedative/hypnotic/anticonvulsant type uses. Crafting weaponry if needed, and explosives of both propellant type and HE charges for blasting in order to obtain more metals than a few blanks I can just use for quick and needed items. I'd take the small files, a larger one, a wood rasp, claw and lump hammer, and nails, screwdrivers and screws. Hand-cranked drill and bits of various sizes and both handheld small hacksaw and blades, and the bigger hacksaw and blades, plus a small, lightweight tungsten carbide abrasive wiresaw that can cut glass and ceramics and stone, wood saws. Don't have an axe but one could be made from iron bearing ores and charcoal reduction (so as not to waste non-replaceable, finite resources like aluminium or magnesium dust.)

A ball-mill chamber would be something I ought to build anyway, and that could be powered over long time by a water-wheel powered drive system. For making metal powders to use in thermite type casting. Plus the hardened steel shot to act as a grinding medium. Also I'd take reagent supplies for identifying minerals for potential refining and smelting to prepare metal tools I didn't take with me. I've also been wanting to put together a local map and country-wide map of the regional availability of 
minerals that can be put to use in serving as ores and specific localities where I can find deposits, and of what, to use the glass-drills I have to bore holes for charges to fracture the rock when, in the long term, mining for metals and teaching other survivors my metallurgy knowledge and survival chemistry to help people get themselves MORE important resources for rebuilding a society, such as nitric acid for explosives, and for leaching out metal salts from ores, other acid production, for batteries. Lead recycling for rebuilding lead battery electrodes, soldering. Spools of electrical wire and high-quality graphite electrodes for use in building an arc-welder to be powered by diesel/petrol fueled motors, the welding face shield and clear face shield and long gloves for chemistry work.


And things like epoxy adhesives DIY'ed, (glues and strong tape and whatever electrical supplies available and portable would be another thing on the list of things to take, as would metal blanks of brass and steel for crafting things like animal traps, the spring-ey part of a crossbow, rope, thinner string, guitar-strings that could be used for animal snare traps and sprung-peg snares that use the tension in a bent-over small tree trunk to catch an animal by the neck and either snap its neck or else strangle it to death if the tree trunk anchored with a short piece of cord to both the snare and a carved pair of wooden pegs to form a trigger thats set off by an animal as it blunders through the trap, snapping the tree-trunk up in the air (or alternatively, set to side-swipe with a row of barbed, sharpened stakes for impaling the dinner, and if it doesn't either kill or immobilize the prey  then severely wounding and allowing it to be tracked  by the blood trail until it is so weakened as not to be able to carry on.)

Of course thats the sort of nasty and cruel type of trap that I'd never use bar a survival situation,

I'd take bigger flasks for distilling water, and for use in distilling alcohol for easily ignitable fuel and some high surface area platinum-plated metal mesh for use in firestarting on an indefinite basis, via catalytic ignition of methanol vapor, the MeOH coming from the heads fraction of distilled drinking/disinfecting and of course both recreational and trading alcoholic spirits. With the platinized metal mesh or ceramic wool support etc. then that could be used for a very large number of ignitions, starting methanol fueled engines, although of course that sort of non-replaceable firestarter would not be traded for anything short of firearms and ammunition, and even then only small portions for a large trade of survival needs. And of course both gas masks and as many canisters as possible, taking more from the nearest sources of them, by lethal force if necessary. I'd fortify a DIY store, I think for use as a base of operations. After first stripping the pharmacies bare of medication in order to have both a large surplus of medicine for bartering, and for both caring for myself and offering my  services as a medic in whatever ways possible that didn't compromise my own needs to those who either are loved ones or those I already care for before TSHTF or at a price, if it took resources, to the wounded. I'd be more willing to help for less of course the less resources it took from me. More expensive treatments would cost more in barter. Be it food, needed information.

Here is a question-if TSHTF bigtime, who here knows for sure (not necessarily having done so, I can safely say I never have but do not possess the least doubt that if I had to to survive, that I could do so and keep it down) that they could eat people they knew to be fresh? or if needs be even direr, make sure a person-dinner is REALLY fresh as of just a few minutes ago?

In the case of the apocalypse, I reckon I'd be fairly well prepared
Here, its far, far FAR less likely to be a natural disaster, unless the natural disaster is of of such massive scale and takes place elsewhere and whatever hits here, is the knock-on effects  of a more far off ground-zero. Its more likely to be something of the 'allahu akhbar' kind. It'll be sand-niggers if its anything, for bloody sure it will. HERE, its not in the city center where I live, so less likely to get carbombed, and away from any major tourist destinations or major public transport hubs, nightclubs etc. and not right next door to anything else that screams 'major towelhead-bait'.

The home itself I could defend with as mentioned, a fairly noxious chemical arsenal. Not pre-made 'official' chemical weapons, but enough highly hazardous materials to throw at an attacker, be they toxic, corrosive, incendiary or all of those, and if expecting repeat attacks after giving a group a very, very hostile meet-and-greet, then the ingredients for pipe bombs, self-igniting sulfuric acid layer with the napalm/sugar&chlorate paper-wrapped upgraded molotov cocktails, with white phosphorus added if I'm feeling particularly nasty and pissed at the fact that some towelhead mob just tried to storm the house. There's a sword and set of nunchaku for close quarters hand to hand fighting should a burglar carry a bat or a knife. Chemical assault for any armed with a gun, and if needs be, a mind that is inventive, and as a result capable of coming up with some pretty devious nasty surprises at short notice. There are some stolen weaponry that I am trying to have recovered atm, a dart rifle, airgun and something else. Also if I have to, whilst I've not practiced in a while, I used to practice throwing knives, and if surprised in the kitchen and not having some sort of nasty chemical in a beaker or flask and using the part of the kitchen at night, that is located right next to the door so I can ventilate nasty fumes and dissipate them without either coming to harm, or  doing any to neighbors, unless the neighbors decide to BE the burglars, that I don't see as too likely, despite not being ideally balanced, the big kitchen knife is heavy, and sharp, and something like hamstringing a home-invader posing a lesser threat would be easy enough. Or thrown for a kill shot to the neck if I had to. And I'd not be above stabbing a dangerous and armed attacker in the spine from behind or throwing a knife into their back to get their attention and following it up with a smack in the face with a big hammer, or a face full of something that eats faces and leaves a smoking hole in its wake. An attacker thats been blinded is an attacker that isn't going to be concentrating on anything but screaming and trying like hell to wash their eyes out before they are melted out of their head. I know that much, the one and only thing you think of after an eye-burn is 'my fucking EYES!!!!, fucking shit MY EYES!!' and cleaning them out, neutralizing the burn.

During which time of course I'd be busily hamstringing or spine-fucking and knocking the seven shades of shit out of a burglar with whatever heavy and/or pointy and sharp object.

For bug-out, big backpack, and plenty supplies to pack in it, the epicenter of a natural disaster is very unlikely to be here, so there'd be some time to throw some supplies together into it. Bottled water, agents that can chemically sterilize water, the food available at the time, immediately take out as much money as quickly as possible, seeing to my medical needs in whatever method necessary, basic supplies, both a good pocket knife with quality short and longer pocket-knife scale blades and various tools, plus a bigger, sturdier lock-blade that is heavier and stronger than the pocket knife blades for heavier duty work. I'd pack a basic set of the most useful chemicals for use as fire-starters, fuels, and flasks, tube of dow-corning vacuum grease to lubricate the joints, plus the ingredients for crafting items useful for trade, and for medical use, such as pain relieving and stimulant and sedative/hypnotic/anticonvulsant type uses. Crafting weaponry if needed, and explosives of both propellant type and HE charges for blasting in order to obtain more metals than a few blanks I can just use for quick and needed items. I'd take the small files, a larger one, a wood rasp, claw and lump hammer, and nails, screwdrivers and screws. Hand-cranked drill and bits of various sizes and both handheld small hacksaw and blades, and the bigger hacksaw and blades, plus a small, lightweight tungsten carbide abrasive wiresaw that can cut glass and ceramics and stone, wood saws. Don't have an axe but one could be made from iron bearing ores and charcoal reduction (so as not to waste non-replaceable, finite resources like aluminium or magnesium dust.)

A ball-mill chamber would be something I ought to build anyway, and that could be powered over long time by a water-wheel powered drive system. For making metal powders to use in thermite type casting. Plus the hardened steel shot to act as a grinding medium. Also I'd take reagent supplies for identifying minerals for potential refining and smelting to prepare metal tools I didn't take with me. I've also been wanting to put together a local map and country-wide map of the regional availability of 
minerals that can be put to use in serving as ores and specific localities where I can find deposits, and of what, to use the glass-drills I have to bore holes for charges to fracture the rock when, in the long term, mining for metals and teaching other survivors my metallurgy knowledge and survival chemistry to help people get themselves MORE important resources for rebuilding a society, such as nitric acid for explosives, and for leaching out metal salts from ores, other acid production, for batteries. Lead recycling for rebuilding lead battery electrodes, soldering. Spools of electrical wire and high-quality graphite electrodes for use in building an arc-welder to be powered by diesel/petrol fueled motors, the welding face shield and clear face shield and long gloves for chemistry work.


And things like epoxy adhesives DIY'ed, (glues and strong tape and whatever electrical supplies available and portable would be another thing on the list of things to take, as would metal blanks of brass and steel for crafting things like animal traps, the spring-ey part of a crossbow, rope, thinner string, guitar-strings that could be used for animal snare traps and sprung-peg snares that use the tension in a bent-over small tree trunk to catch an animal by the neck and either snap its neck or else strangle it to death if the tree trunk anchored with a short piece of cord to both the snare and a carved pair of wooden pegs to form a trigger thats set off by an animal as it blunders through the trap, snapping the tree-trunk up in the air (or alternatively, set to side-swipe with a row of barbed, sharpened stakes for impaling the dinner, and if it doesn't either kill or immobilize the prey  then severely wounding and allowing it to be tracked  by the blood trail until it is so weakened as not to be able to carry on.)

Of course thats the sort of nasty and cruel type of trap that I'd never use bar a survival situation,

I'd take bigger flasks for distilling water, and for use in distilling alcohol for easily ignitable fuel and some high surface area platinum-plated metal mesh for use in firestarting on an indefinite basis, via catalytic ignition of methanol vapor, the MeOH coming from the heads fraction of distilled drinking/disinfecting and of course both recreational and trading alcoholic spirits. With the platinized metal mesh or ceramic wool support etc. then that could be used for a very large number of ignitions, starting methanol fueled engines, although of course that sort of non-replaceable firestarter would not be traded for anything short of firearms and ammunition, and even then only small portions for a large trade of survival needs. And of course both gas masks and as many canisters as possible, taking more from the nearest sources of them, by lethal force if necessary. I'd fortify a DIY store, I think for use as a base of operations. After first stripping the pharmacies bare of medication in order to have both a large surplus of medicine for bartering, and for both caring for myself and offering my  services as a medic in whatever ways possible that didn't compromise my own needs to those who either are loved ones or those I already care for before TSHTF or at a price, if it took resources, to the wounded. I'd be more willing to help for less of course the less resources it took from me. More expensive treatments would cost more in barter. Be it food, needed information.

Here is a question-if TSHTF bigtime, who here knows for sure (not necessarily having done so, I can safely say I never have but do not possess the least doubt that if I had to to survive, that I could do so and keep it down) that they could eat people they knew to be fresh? or if needs be even direr, make sure a person-dinner is REALLY fresh as of just a few minutes ago?

In the case of the apocalypse, I reckon I'd be fairly well prepared
Here, its far, far FAR less likely to be a natural disaster, unless the natural disaster is of of such massive scale and takes place elsewhere and whatever hits here, is the knock-on effects  of a more far off ground-zero. Its more likely to be something of the 'allahu akhbar' kind. It'll be sand-niggers if its anything, for bloody sure it will. HERE, its not in the city center where I live, so less likely to get carbombed, and away from any major tourist destinations or major public transport hubs, nightclubs etc. and not right next door to anything else that screams 'major towelhead-bait'.

The home itself I could defend with as mentioned, a fairly noxious chemical arsenal. Not pre-made 'official' chemical weapons, but enough highly hazardous materials to throw at an attacker, be they toxic, corrosive, incendiary or all of those, and if expecting repeat attacks after giving a group a very, very hostile meet-and-greet, then the ingredients for pipe bombs, self-igniting sulfuric acid layer with the napalm/sugar&chlorate paper-wrapped upgraded molotov cocktails, with white phosphorus added if I'm feeling particularly nasty and pissed at the fact that some towelhead mob just tried to storm the house. There's a sword and set of nunchaku for close quarters hand to hand fighting should a burglar carry a bat or a knife. Chemical assault for any armed with a gun, and if needs be, a mind that is inventive, and as a result capable of coming up with some pretty devious nasty surprises at short notice. There are some stolen weaponry that I am trying to have recovered atm, a dart rifle, airgun and something else. Also if I have to, whilst I've not practiced in a while, I used to practice throwing knives, and if surprised in the kitchen and not having some sort of nasty chemical in a beaker or flask and using the part of the kitchen at night, that is located right next to the door so I can ventilate nasty fumes and dissipate them without either coming to harm, or  doing any to neighbors, unless the neighbors decide to BE the burglars, that I don't see as too likely, despite not being ideally balanced, the big kitchen knife is heavy, and sharp, and something like hamstringing a home-invader posing a lesser threat would be easy enough. Or thrown for a kill shot to the neck if I had to. And I'd not be above stabbing a dangerous and armed attacker in the spine from behind or throwing a knife into their back to get their attention and following it up with a smack in the face with a big hammer, or a face full of something that eats faces and leaves a smoking hole in its wake. An attacker thats been blinded is an attacker that isn't going to be concentrating on anything but screaming and trying like hell to wash their eyes out before they are melted out of their head. I know that much, the one and only thing you think of after an eye-burn is 'my fucking EYES!!!!, fucking shit MY EYES!!' and cleaning them out, neutralizing the burn.

During which time of course I'd be busily hamstringing or spine-fucking and knocking the seven shades of shit out of a burglar with whatever heavy and/or pointy and sharp object.

For bug-out, big backpack, and plenty supplies to pack in it, the epicenter of a natural disaster is very unlikely to be here, so there'd be some time to throw some supplies together into it. Bottled water, agents that can chemically sterilize water, the food available at the time, immediately take out as much money as quickly as possible, seeing to my medical needs in whatever method necessary, basic supplies, both a good pocket knife with quality short and longer pocket-knife scale blades and various tools, plus a bigger, sturdier lock-blade that is heavier and stronger than the pocket knife blades for heavier duty work. I'd pack a basic set of the most useful chemicals for use as fire-starters, fuels, and flasks, tube of dow-corning vacuum grease to lubricate the joints, plus the ingredients for crafting items useful for trade, and for medical use, such as pain relieving and stimulant and sedative/hypnotic/anticonvulsant type uses. Crafting weaponry if needed, and explosives of both propellant type and HE charges for blasting in order to obtain more metals than a few blanks I can just use for quick and needed items. I'd take the small files, a larger one, a wood rasp, claw and lump hammer, and nails, screwdrivers and screws. Hand-cranked drill and bits of various sizes and both handheld small hacksaw and blades, and the bigger hacksaw and blades, plus a small, lightweight tungsten carbide abrasive wiresaw that can cut glass and ceramics and stone, wood saws. Don't have an axe but one could be made from iron bearing ores and charcoal reduction (so as not to waste non-replaceable, finite resources like aluminium or magnesium dust.)

A ball-mill chamber would be something I ought to build anyway, and that could be powered over long time by a water-wheel powered drive system. For making metal powders to use in thermite type casting. Plus the hardened steel shot to act as a grinding medium. Also I'd take reagent supplies for identifying minerals for potential refining and smelting to prepare metal tools I didn't take with me. I've also been wanting to put together a local map and country-wide map of the regional availability of 
minerals that can be put to use in serving as ores and specific localities where I can find deposits, and of what, to use the glass-drills I have to bore holes for charges to fracture the rock when, in the long term, mining for metals and teaching other survivors my metallurgy knowledge and survival chemistry to help people get themselves MORE important resources for rebuilding a society, such as nitric acid for explosives, and for leaching out metal salts from ores, other acid production, for batteries. Lead recycling for rebuilding lead battery electrodes, soldering. Spools of electrical wire and high-quality graphite electrodes for use in building an arc-welder to be powered by diesel/petrol fueled motors, the welding face shield and clear face shield and long gloves for chemistry work.


And things like epoxy adhesives DIY'ed, (glues and strong tape and whatever electrical supplies available and portable would be another thing on the list of things to take, as would metal blanks of brass and steel for crafting things like animal traps, the spring-ey part of a crossbow, rope, thinner string, guitar-strings that could be used for animal snare traps and sprung-peg snares that use the tension in a bent-over small tree trunk to catch an animal by the neck and either snap its neck or else strangle it to death if the tree trunk anchored with a short piece of cord to both the snare and a carved pair of wooden pegs to form a trigger thats set off by an animal as it blunders through the trap, snapping the tree-trunk up in the air (or alternatively, set to side-swipe with a row of barbed, sharpened stakes for impaling the dinner, and if it doesn't either kill or immobilize the prey  then severely wounding and allowing it to be tracked  by the blood trail until it is so weakened as not to be able to carry on.)

Of course thats the sort of nasty and cruel type of trap that I'd never use bar a survival situation,

I'd take bigger flasks for distilling water, and for use in distilling alcohol for easily ignitable fuel and some high surface area platinum-plated metal mesh for use in firestarting on an indefinite basis, via catalytic ignition of methanol vapor, the MeOH coming from the heads fraction of distilled drinking/disinfecting and of course both recreational and trading alcoholic spirits. With the platinized metal mesh or ceramic wool support etc. then that could be used for a very large number of ignitions, starting methanol fueled engines, although of course that sort of non-replaceable firestarter would not be traded for anything short of firearms and ammunition, and even then only small portions for a large trade of survival needs. And of course both gas masks and as many canisters as possible, taking more from the nearest sources of them, by lethal force if necessary. I'd fortify a DIY store, I think for use as a base of operations. After first stripping the pharmacies bare of medication in order to have both a large surplus of medicine for bartering, and for both caring for myself and offering my  services as a medic in whatever ways possible that didn't compromise my own needs to those who either are loved ones or those I already care for before TSHTF or at a price, if it took resources, to the wounded. I'd be more willing to help for less of course the less resources it took from me. More expensive treatments would cost more in barter. Be it food, needed information.

Here is a question-if TSHTF bigtime, who here knows for sure (not necessarily having done so, I can safely say I never have but do not possess the least doubt that if I had to to survive, that I could do so and keep it down) that they could eat people they knew to be fresh? or if needs be even direr, make sure a person-dinner is REALLY fresh as of just a few minutes ago?

In the case of the apocalypse, I reckon I'd be fairly well prepared
Title: Re: Do you have a plan for when TeH SHTF?
Post by: Lestat on February 19, 2018, 10:29:25 PM
Thats a great idea, keeping the capability to swap out the electronic fuel injection system with a carburetor, in case of an EMP. Although you'd probably have to be fairly close to anything other than a nuclear EMP. The worst case of a non-nuclear EMP would probably be the E1/E2 component, AFAIK non-nuclear devices lack the slow E3 component of a broad-spectrum EMP.

Although that doesn't apply to me, since I can't drive, I did take some lessons in the past, but I couldn't afford to continue them. And add seizures to that and it'd be a bad idea if I did, and the medical history in the last five years would quite likely mean that I'd be denied a license now. Although possibly not, considering most of my seizures occur..well it'd be nocturnal in most people, or at least, people who aren't nocturnal to begin with. I've only had a vanishingly small number of seizures within the past five years while I've been out during waking hours, two or three or so.

Although it might be possible for me to get a license, but I'm not about to try, even if the money to buy, maintain, tax etc. the car, fuel and all the other embuggerments of the wallet made themselves available as disposable income; since its still way too soon since one did happen and I don't want anyone getting hurt on my account if I can avoid it, and especially not to be directly responsible for it happening to some poor innocent(s)