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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Semicolon on July 29, 2014, 05:17:28 AM
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Defying environmental regulations, fired-up drivers spew their clouds
Craig Wedge floors his pickup and the souped-up diesel engine of his Ford F-350 Power Stroke rumbles like a muscle car, blasting black smoke through an unfiltered exhaust pipe.
He and other diesel enthusiasts call this burst of unburned fuel “rolling coal”; for many of them, it is an act of protest against environmental regulations. In defiance of the law, coal rollers disable or discard their trucks’ pollution controls and modify their engines to maximize power and blow smoke with the flip of a switch.
“It might have something to do with being a rebel . . . and trying to prove something to other people,” said Wedge, 37, a computer engineer from Brockton who runs a popular Facebook group called Diesels of New England, which has attracted more than 5,000 members in the past four years.
Some — although not Wedge — have even targeted the owners of hybrid vehicles with their wrath. Hundreds of YouTube videos show coal rollers showering unsuspecting drivers with clouds of what they dub “Prius repellent.” Others park their trucks in spots reserved for hybrids or electric cars.
The movement, if one can call it that, includes regional groups such as Coal Rollers of Massachusetts, Cape Cod Coal Rollers, Maine Coal Rollers, and Connecticut Coal Rollers.
“Who does the EPA think they are to tell us what we can and can’t do with our vehicles?” Wedge said.
The Environmental Protection Agency and advocates say diesel vehicles contribute to global warming and exacerbate health problems. Their emissions are known to cause cancer and have been linked to premature deaths from heart and lung disease.
“Just because you don’t like the laws, it’s not your right to break them without punishment,” said Conrad Schneider, a spokesman for the Clean Air Task Force, a Boston-based environmental advocacy group. “It’s like someone walks into a public place where smoking is prohibited and lights a cigar.”
But Wedge and others grumble that the government has gone too far in its crackdown on diesel vehicles, which they revere because their engines last longer and offer greater fuel efficiency and torque than conventional gas engines.
Many of them air their gripes on pro-diesel Facebook pages, where they joke about how climate change is a hoax or overblown and voice a litany of grievances against the government, especially the EPA.
Among their complaints: the ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel mandated by the federal government costs significantly more at the pump and corrodes older trucks’ expensive fuel injectors; particulate filters required on new vehicles sap about 30 percent of their fuel efficiency; and other rules about air flow and special injections lead to premature engine failure.
EPA officials and environmental advocates say the regulations are vital to reducing the amount of soot and carbon dioxide emitted by the nation’s estimated 11 million diesel vehicles — including about 200,000 in Massachusetts.
Despite the raft of regulations, which include requirements that take effect this year to increase the fuel efficiency of pickups and big rigs, resilient diesel engines mean many older vehicles that lack particulate filters and other emissions devices will remain on the road for decades to come. Widespread tampering with emissions controls on newer diesels could blunt EPA projections that their regulations will prevent at least 39,000 premature deaths and save about $300 billion in public health costs by 2030.
“We will consider any appropriate enforcement actions based on the specific aspects of the cases,” said Enesta Jones, a spokeswoman for the EPA.
Environmental advocates say they are not laughing at the proliferation of coal rolling videos online. In a 2005 study, the Clean Air Task Force, which organized the national clean diesel campaign, estimated diesel leads to 27,000 heart attacks and 400,000 asthma attacks each year and shortens the lives of an estimated 21,000 people a year in the United States.
Even a small number of diesel vehicles on the road with dismantled particulate filters can have a significant health impact, said Jon Levy, a professor of environmental health at the Boston University School of Public Health.
“This backlash means more particulate matter, and that means more heart attacks and asthma attacks,” he said.
Evidence of the impact of filters comes from a study released this month by the Northeast States for Coordinated Air Use Management, which found that the amount of soot in the air in Dudley Square in Boston dropped by more than half after the MBTA and Boston Public Schools installed diesel particulate filters on their buses a decade ago.
Some diesel enthusiasts, however, say the older trucks are better for the environment than many of the newer vehicles, even those powered by gas or hybrid engines.
“It’s an oxymoron,” said Sarah Meaney, 24, of Palmer, who owns two pickup trucks, including a 1999 Ford F-350 Super Duty that has logged 335,000 miles. “They’re now making the trucks less fuel efficient with engines that last half as long. So you’re wasting more engines and more parts, and all the energy and fuel that goes into building the new trucks is wasted.”
Many diesel enthusiasts insist their tinkering is more a hobby than political protest. They acknowledge they are breaking the law — though most manage to pass emissions inspections because their modifications are mainly internal and the amount of smoke from their exhausts can be controlled by dashboard computers — but they wish the government would just leave them alone.
“This is about freedom,” said Fred Johnson, 32, who owns Diesel Shop in Jewett City, Conn.
He said it has become much harder in the past year to stock his shelves with exhaust systems that lack filters and handheld programming devices that make it easy to switch off emissions controls. The companies that used to sell these after-market parts have stopped because of government pressure.
“I lose a lot of business, because people want to roll coal,” he said, adding he will only modify trucks that engage in competition.
For Craig Wedge, speed and strength are key parts of the lure of diesels, which he calls “the backbone of the country.”
On a recent morning near his office in Canton, he showed off the modifications he has made to his 2009 Ford, which he has primped with blue flame decals and buffed tires. They include a free-flowing exhaust, a cold air intake system, and a dashboard computer that allows him to tweak his engine’s performance. The diesel particulate filter and catalytic converter also have been removed.
Wedge boasts he can get up to 20 miles per gallon on the highway — as much as 6 miles per gallon better than when he bought the truck, which is still going strong with 120,000 miles on the odometer.
Then he demonstrated how easy it is to roll coal, which he said he does only rarely, especially given that it costs about $125 to fill his tank. After a few clicks on the computer, he revved the engine, the oversized tires shrieked, and the black smoke streamed out of the stainless steel exhaust pipe.
He raced up and down the street, the dense cloud of smoke drifting high into the air with the white smoke from his spinning tires. When he finally pulled back into the parking lot by his office, he smiled.
“It’s fun,” he said.
Source (http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/2014/07/27/diesel-truck-enthusiasts-roll-coal-protest-environmental-regulations/rAMeh2yyrZ8GeKWemcJFWM/story.html)
Also: Link (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/07/rolling_coal_conservatives_who_show_their_annoyance_with_liberals_obama.html)
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Diesels Rolling Coal on PEOPLE 2014 Compilation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbAhfThNoco#ws)
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Diesels Rolling Coal on PEOPLE 2014 Compilation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbAhfThNoco#ws)
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Yeah, I think they're nuts. But it's always something...I remember tuning the carbs all the time in the 70's to get your car running richer or looking for ways to smoke tires.
Personally if I'm caught behind a diesel truck for too long at a stoplight I sometimes end up wheezing, so I would really hate being behind one of these guys.
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The more stink the EPA makes over it the more people will want to do it. I haven't seen any smoking like the ones in the vid, with the exception of some construction vehicles and one of the diesel shops mentioned is in my state. My main problem with diesels is the noise, I always hated driving them, I end up feeling like I am deaf for hours after parking them for the day
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entitlement entitlement entitlement
"It's fun"
"Freedom"
*knees*
*neck*
*bullet*
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entitlement entitlement entitlement
"It's fun"
"Freedom"
*knees*
*neck*
*bullet*
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Fckn assholes.
"Here, let me add some asthma to your air to prove I am free".
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They are hobbyists I really don't see it as having a drastic impact. The fact they are hobbyists is probably why they are going after them, because they don't have the money to fight back. I burn coal occasionally in a forge in my back yard to do hobbyist blacksmithing should that be banned also?
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They are hobbyists I really don't see it as having a drastic impact. The fact they are hobbyists is probably why they are going after them, because they don't have the money to fight back. I burn coal occasionally in a forge in my back yard to do hobbyist blacksmithing should that be banned also?
They are clearly not hobbyists. They are making some supposed political statement. Just wasting energy to "stick it to the man" and polluting the atmosphere on "purpose". Professional dickery.
Maybe dumping glasses of bleach into the water will become a new hobby.
With rights come responsibilities. These folks seem to think responsibilities are stupid. Well its for stupidity like this that the government takes the authority to intervene, and thus we all lose rights. Their own stupidity is the reason we all will lose their freedoms. What idiots. Doing nothing good for the community.
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I'm not concerned about any impact these jokels have on actual environment. Airtravel out-trumfs them easily, and it's just one of many. "Solution" is not within our scope.
I'm just pissed off at their entitlement. That they think "fun" is a human right. Life and existence, and a reasonable comfort is a human right. Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
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I'm not concerned about any impact these jokels have on actual environment. Airtravel out-trumfs them easily, and it's just one of many. "Solution" is not within our scope.
I'm just pissed off at their entitlement. That they think "fun" is a human right. Life and existence, and a reasonable comfort is a human right. Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
That argument is used in this country by the right all the time in regards to drugs, sex that they find objectionable and a host of other things they don't like so I am not a big fan of it. Reasonable comfort is very subjective who decides what that is? I don't want to live someplace where all aspects of my life are regulated to provide me with someone else's idea of reasonable comfort.
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I'm not concerned about any impact these jokels have on actual environment. Airtravel out-trumfs them easily, and it's just one of many. "Solution" is not within our scope.
I'm just pissed off at their entitlement. That they think "fun" is a human right. Life and existence, and a reasonable comfort is a human right. Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
That argument is used in this country by the right all the time in regards to drugs, sex that they find objectionable and a host of other things they don't like so I am not a big fan of it. Reasonable comfort is very subjective who decides what that is? I don't want to live someplace where all aspects of my life are regulated to provide me with someone else's idea of reasonable comfort.
Agreed.
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I'm not concerned about any impact these jokels have on actual environment. Airtravel out-trumfs them easily, and it's just one of many. "Solution" is not within our scope.
I'm just pissed off at their entitlement. That they think "fun" is a human right. Life and existence, and a reasonable comfort is a human right. Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
That argument is used in this country by the right all the time in regards to drugs, sex that they find objectionable and a host of other things they don't like so I am not a big fan of it. Reasonable comfort is very subjective who decides what that is? I don't want to live someplace where all aspects of my life are regulated to provide me with someone else's idea of reasonable comfort.
I question that after seeing Icequeen's video. Regardless of their argument, that driver created a hazard by modifying a vehicle to impair the visibility of others. I also think that, by purposely shooting sooty exhaust at bicyclists, the driver committed assault.
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I'm not concerned about any impact these jokels have on actual environment. Airtravel out-trumfs them easily, and it's just one of many. "Solution" is not within our scope.
I'm just pissed off at their entitlement. That they think "fun" is a human right. Life and existence, and a reasonable comfort is a human right. Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
That argument is used in this country by the right all the time in regards to drugs, sex that they find objectionable and a host of other things they don't like so I am not a big fan of it. Reasonable comfort is very subjective who decides what that is? I don't want to live someplace where all aspects of my life are regulated to provide me with someone else's idea of reasonable comfort.
I question that after seeing Icequeen's video. Regardless of their argument, that driver created a hazard by modifying a vehicle to impair the visibility of others. I also think that, by purposely shooting sooty exhaust at bicyclists, the driver committed assault.
Agreed.
Also, the fact is, we live in a world with other people. We can't have freedom without responsibility. We just can't. if we don't mature the fuck up thats when governments and other power mongers step in claiming they can "handle" our shit while we just live blissfully unaware of how our "freedom" is killing and oppressing thousands of other people, not to mention damaging the environment, food, water, and thus our health.
If we want the freedom to drink from a stream, we can't pollute the fuck out of it. We also can't throw our shit in it and deprive the folks downstream from drinking freely as well. Same thing applies to the way we used shared air, shared ecosystems, shared oceans, and shared power sources. We can't go around pissing on everyone else because we WANT to.
If we do, well thats why govt's get powerful. Because people are too lazy/selfish to take care of themselves they need a fcking politician to make everything better.
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I'm not concerned about any impact these jokels have on actual environment. Airtravel out-trumfs them easily, and it's just one of many. "Solution" is not within our scope.
I'm just pissed off at their entitlement. That they think "fun" is a human right. Life and existence, and a reasonable comfort is a human right. Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
That argument is used in this country by the right all the time in regards to drugs, sex that they find objectionable and a host of other things they don't like so I am not a big fan of it. Reasonable comfort is very subjective who decides what that is? I don't want to live someplace where all aspects of my life are regulated to provide me with someone else's idea of reasonable comfort.
I question that after seeing Icequeen's video. Regardless of their argument, that driver created a hazard by modifying a vehicle to impair the visibility of others. I also think that, by purposely shooting sooty exhaust at bicyclists, the driver committed assault.
Which could be dealt with locally by the police through public nuisance laws and does not need the EPA with their heavy handed approach to things. The people blowing smoke at others like that are the assholes of the group others seem more interested in performance, engine life, and just plain tinkering. Use current laws to go after the asshole and leave the rest of them alone
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I'm not concerned about any impact these jokels have on actual environment. Airtravel out-trumfs them easily, and it's just one of many. "Solution" is not within our scope.
I'm just pissed off at their entitlement. That they think "fun" is a human right. Life and existence, and a reasonable comfort is a human right. Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
That argument is used in this country by the right all the time in regards to drugs, sex that they find objectionable and a host of other things they don't like so I am not a big fan of it. Reasonable comfort is very subjective who decides what that is? I don't want to live someplace where all aspects of my life are regulated to provide me with someone else's idea of reasonable comfort.
I question that after seeing Icequeen's video. Regardless of their argument, that driver created a hazard by modifying a vehicle to impair the visibility of others. I also think that, by purposely shooting sooty exhaust at bicyclists, the driver committed assault.
Which could be dealt with locally by the police through public nuisance laws and does not need the EPA with their heavy handed approach to things. The people blowing smoke at others like that are the assholes of the group others seem more interested in performance, engine life, and just plain tinkering. Use current laws to go after the asshole and leave the rest of them alone
Given the state of global warming, we do need the EPA and their heavy-handed approach to things. Diesel fumes can be a public health hazard. Link 1 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7129024.stm) Link 2 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18415532)
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I'm not concerned about any impact these jokels have on actual environment. Airtravel out-trumfs them easily, and it's just one of many. "Solution" is not within our scope.
I'm just pissed off at their entitlement. That they think "fun" is a human right. Life and existence, and a reasonable comfort is a human right. Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
That argument is used in this country by the right all the time in regards to drugs, sex that they find objectionable and a host of other things they don't like so I am not a big fan of it. Reasonable comfort is very subjective who decides what that is? I don't want to live someplace where all aspects of my life are regulated to provide me with someone else's idea of reasonable comfort.
I question that after seeing Icequeen's video. Regardless of their argument, that driver created a hazard by modifying a vehicle to impair the visibility of others. I also think that, by purposely shooting sooty exhaust at bicyclists, the driver committed assault.
Which could be dealt with locally by the police through public nuisance laws and does not need the EPA with their heavy handed approach to things. The people blowing smoke at others like that are the assholes of the group others seem more interested in performance, engine life, and just plain tinkering. Use current laws to go after the asshole and leave the rest of them alone
Given the state of global warming, we do need the EPA and their heavy-handed approach to things. Diesel fumes can be a public health hazard. Link 1 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7129024.stm) Link 2 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18415532)
The phase 'Given the state of global warming' is about as cliche as 'Things are different now because of 911' and I find it just as pointless. Yes sucking diesel fumes is bad for you so are a lot of things should something be done to try and make things better of course but going after some hobbyists will not have much if any impact.
So we need the heavy handed approach? I think not. Funny when I was in college it was one of the places I thought about trying to get a job when I finished my degree in environmental biology but things went another direction and I'm kinda glad at this point. Yes they are needed but have gotten out of control as most government bureaucracies seem to do and their actions have turned a lot of people against them.
EPA Official: EPAs "philosophy" is to "crucify" and "make examples" of US energy producers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze3GB_b7Nuo#)
Last summer, I wrote about the Environmental Protection Agency’s shameful persecution of a Texas natural-gas company, Range Resources Corp. The year before, EPA had slapped the company with an “emergency order” under the Safe Drinking Water Act, alleging that it “caused or contributed to” the contamination of two water wells west of Fort Worth. Almost immediately, however, EPA was forced to admit that Range had no connection whatsoever to the contamination in question. It nonetheless insisted on the company’s obedience to the original order.
I argued then that this was all a shameful abuse of power. Well, just last week, after a nearly two-year odyssey in which the company has spent $4.2 million defending itself, EPA agreed to drop the whole thing. The withdrawal of the emergency order was officially announced at the end of last week, where the government usually tries to bury its embarrassments.
Link (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/295188/epa-abuses-first-apologizes-later-mario-loyola)
Some delinquent staffers have given U.S. EPA employees a bad rap.
First came the outlandish case of fake spy John Beale, a movie-worthy drama about a high-ranking EPA official who fooled co-workers for years and swindled the government out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. And then came news of misconduct and management bungling with employees watching pornography on the job, a political appointee accepting a trip on a private jet from a lobbyist and an office losing hundreds of passports.
Link (http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060000864)
Andy Johnson is the newest poster boy for anti-EPA sentiment.
The Uinta County man’s name went viral last week after the Environmental Protection Agency issued an administrative order demanding he dismantle a pond he built on his property in 2011.
The EPA claims Johnson violated the Clean Water Act by damming the middle of Six Mile Creek and polluting the water to build the pond. The agency is threatening Johnson with a $75,000 per-day fine -- a penalty often reserved for companies that emit toxic hazards.
Link (http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/man-vs-epa-uinta-county-man-faces-k-in-daily/article_f7312717-3d3c-555b-8c15-fc48fbfe0073.html)
The Environmental Protection Agency is coming under increasing fire for a raid conducted in Alaska this summer by armed agents seeking violations of the Clean Water Act.
Alaska Gov. Sean Parnell announced late Thursday that he has named a special counsel to investigate the August incident in the tiny town of Chicken, Alaska, shortly after Republicans at a House subcommittee hearing characterized the episode as an effort to intimidate miners.
“[A]n EPA SWAT team of heavily armed and armored agents conducted ‘paperwork’ inspections on small mining operations in what attempts to be nothing more than an effort to intimidate and scare hardworking Americans,” said Rep. Doug Lamborn, Colorado Republican, who heads the House Resources Committee’s subcommittee on energy and mineral resources.
Link (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/11/epa-facing-fire-armed-raid-alaska-mine/?page=all)
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Given the state of global warming, we do need the EPA and their heavy-handed approach to things.
The EPA's heavy hand is needed for industrial companies. Somewhere along the lines, people became convinced the general public are the ones truly damaging the environment. Parts is right, this can be addressed with existing local law.
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There is a similar one-sided discussion going on in Sweden. The general public is to blame, or at least anyone who owns a car. It gets a bit tiresome after a while.
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I didn't want to have to do this but, YES TRUCK DRIVERS CONTRIBUTE A LOT TO AIR POLLUTION.
In terms of companies or industries: they employ tons of trucks which haul lots of stuff up and down highways all day and night...which contribute significantly to smog, and the release of chemicals into the air (which can cause nose bleeds, headaches, skin irritation, and other ailments). I got a nasty taste of this first hand when I ended up on the highway with my bike and the exhaust fumes triggered an asthma attack. Small towns where industries begin mining or some other shit requiring 100s of trucks to traffic the area daily, suddenly become dens of air pollution with big-city levels of smog.
If you are looking at an industry and say "ok, you are basically polluting way too much, you need to reduce your emissions", then one way industry can significantly reduce their emissions is to make sure the trucks which they employ are not exceeding certain limits.
Yeah maybe the singular truck driver is too moronic to realise WHY he has to watch his emissions, but it doesn't change the fact that it is necessary. They aren't singling out people, they are singling out INDUSTRIES and COMPANIES which happen to employ people.
These truck drivers are dumbasses.
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This isn't about truck drivers as an industry but about people modifying diesel engines either for performance or to blow smoke. Companies don't normally do things like this as it tends to void warranties and makes servicing the trucks more complicated which costs them money that they can't afford. Also look around you almost all that stuff you see, at least if your indoors, got there on a truck at some point it's not like they are driving up and down the highway at all hours just to cause pollution. Also in case your wondering I think the people who like to drive and blow out that black smoke are assholes too.
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I didn't want to have to do this but, YES TRUCK DRIVERS CONTRIBUTE A LOT TO AIR POLLUTION.
In terms of companies or industries: they employ tons of trucks which haul lots of stuff up and down highways all day and night...which contribute significantly to smog, and the release of chemicals into the air (which can cause nose bleeds, headaches, skin irritation, and other ailments). I got a nasty taste of this first hand when I ended up on the highway with my bike and the exhaust fumes triggered an asthma attack. Small towns where industries begin mining or some other shit requiring 100s of trucks to traffic the area daily, suddenly become dens of air pollution with big-city levels of smog.
If you are looking at an industry and say "ok, you are basically polluting way too much, you need to reduce your emissions", then one way industry can significantly reduce their emissions is to make sure the trucks which they employ are not exceeding certain limits.
Yeah maybe the singular truck driver is too moronic to realise WHY he has to watch his emissions, but it doesn't change the fact that it is necessary. They aren't singling out people, they are singling out INDUSTRIES and COMPANIES which happen to employ people.
These truck drivers are dumbasses.
NUKE ALL THE TRUCKDRIVERS!! :zoinks:
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I didn't want to have to do this but, YES TRUCK DRIVERS CONTRIBUTE A LOT TO AIR POLLUTION.
In terms of companies or industries: they employ tons of trucks which haul lots of stuff up and down highways all day and night...which contribute significantly to smog, and the release of chemicals into the air (which can cause nose bleeds, headaches, skin irritation, and other ailments). I got a nasty taste of this first hand when I ended up on the highway with my bike and the exhaust fumes triggered an asthma attack. Small towns where industries begin mining or some other shit requiring 100s of trucks to traffic the area daily, suddenly become dens of air pollution with big-city levels of smog.
If you are looking at an industry and say "ok, you are basically polluting way too much, you need to reduce your emissions", then one way industry can significantly reduce their emissions is to make sure the trucks which they employ are not exceeding certain limits.
Yeah maybe the singular truck driver is too moronic to realise WHY he has to watch his emissions, but it doesn't change the fact that it is necessary. They aren't singling out people, they are singling out INDUSTRIES and COMPANIES which happen to employ people.
These truck drivers are dumbasses.
NUKE ALL THE TRUCKDRIVERS!! :zoinks:
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NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!! :GA: :GA: :GA: :GA:
(http://media3.giphy.com/media/U3dsl6jEIfZcs/200.gif)
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This isn't about truck drivers as an industry but about people modifying diesel engines either for performance or to blow smoke. Companies don't normally do things like this as it tends to void warranties and makes servicing the trucks more complicated which costs them money that they can't afford. Also look around you almost all that stuff you see, at least if your indoors, got there on a truck at some point it's not like they are driving up and down the highway at all hours just to cause pollution. Also in case your wondering I think the people who like to drive and blow out that black smoke are assholes too.
So...you're saying this whole article was just sensationalising journalism? I can agree with that. They don't do a very good job of informing anyone of anything. Probably just trying to start a riot.
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Cows contribute more to global warming than the whole transportation sector. Just sayin'.
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Cows contribute more to global warming than the whole transportation sector. Just sayin'.
There are people saying that should be banned also Link (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet) :CanofWorms: :GA:
A global shift towards a vegan diet is vital to save the world from hunger, fuel poverty and the worst impacts of climate change, a UN report said today.
As the global population surges towards a predicted 9.1 billion people by 2050, western tastes for diets rich in meat and dairy products are unsustainable, says the report from United Nations Environment Programme's (UNEP) international panel of sustainable resource management.
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Got to see one of these modified trucks on the ride home from the beach.
Little Dodge Ram with twin stacks rolling coal all over a mack truck. :LOL:
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Got to see one of these modified trucks on the ride home from the beach.
Little Dodge Ram with twin stacks rolling coal all over a mack truck. :LOL:
I was hoping for pics.
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Blaming the public is an excellent deflection of the issue.
Petroleum companies are to blame, well, mostly. Coal and such as well. We have other methods, but these methods won't generate the income petroleum does. So, case closed, fuck every other method.
People will demand a more sound method though, so people are thrown a shiny, colorful toy, or a war, or a pointless circular debate.
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Got to see one of these modified trucks on the ride home from the beach.
Little Dodge Ram with twin stacks rolling coal all over a mack truck. :LOL:
I was hoping for pics.
I tried, he was in the other lane though...wasn't quick enough (story of my life). :LOL:
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Got to see one of these modified trucks on the ride home from the beach.
Little Dodge Ram with twin stacks rolling coal all over a mack truck. :LOL:
I was hoping for pics.
I tried, he was in the other lane though...wasn't quick enough (story of my life). :LOL:
That's one of the reasons I want a dash cam, I see so much while driving and getting photos can be impossible
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These laws are fucking bullshit.
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These laws are fucking bullshit.
They are probably much stricter in your lovely state, I am always amazed by how many things have the not sold in CA disclaimer in catalogs
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These laws are fucking bullshit.
They are probably much stricter in your lovely state, I am always amazed by how many things have the not sold in CA disclaimer in catalogs
I've considered starting a business smuggling CA only banned items into the State. I could make a killing off of banned gun parts, car parts and chemicals. :ninja:
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Got to see one of these modified trucks on the ride home from the beach.
Little Dodge Ram with twin stacks rolling coal all over a mack truck. :LOL:
I was hoping for pics.
I tried, he was in the other lane though...wasn't quick enough (story of my life). :LOL:
That's one of the reasons I want a dash cam, I see so much while driving and getting photos can be impossible
Yeah, me too. I really do need to get myself one.
Although they are supposedly illegal here.
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That's one of the reasons I want a dash cam, I see so much while driving and getting photos can be impossible
Yeah, me too. I really do need to get myself one.
Although they are supposedly illegal here.
Why the hell would they be illegal there??
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"Sweden prohibits from 1 July all (covert) photography or film in the private sphere, even if the images are taken on the street, in the garden or for example during birthday parties at home.
Such pictures are only allowed when the people in the photo or video have given their prior consent. The Swedish government has ratified the bill for this on Thursday (today). From July 1, anyone who photographs people in Sweden without asking for permission first is risking a fine or imprisonment (up to 2 years).
Journalists and press photographers fear that the new law will be used to their watchdog function and thus curb press freedom. Formally, the law makes an exception for news, but according to the Swedish journalists union, the conditions are unclear.
The Swedish government wants to prevent with this new photography law that the private lives of its citizens are just shared via internet, for example Twitter, Facebook and YouTube with everyone else. Also visually capturing and publishing harassment on the street is covered by the law."
Fellas, meet you in jail!
Link (http://photo.net/street-documentary-photography-forum/00bgr8)
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Probably covered in this law somehow. It's just the type of shitty law that can be used against just about anyone that pisses someone off as revenge
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What a bunch of crap.
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That's no fun. :(
I carry my camera everywhere just hoping to catch someone doing something stupid enough to grant me my 5 minutes of youtube fame. :thumbup:
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That's no fun. :(
I carry my camera everywhere just hoping to catch someone doing something stupid enough to grant me my 5 minutes of youtube fame. :thumbup:
Most anyone who has a phone these days has a camera with them everywhere. Wondering how one proves prior consent to a photo.
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"Sweden prohibits from 1 July all (covert) photography or film in the private sphere, even if the images are taken on the street, in the garden or for example during birthday parties at home.
How is the street considered the private sphere? Can minors in Sweden give consent to their photo, or is that the parent's consent? Do parents get written consent from other parents when inviting them to birthday parties, so they can take pictures of their own kid's party? What if someone is accidentally included in the background of a picture which includes people who have consented?
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That's one of the reasons I want a dash cam, I see so much while driving and getting photos can be impossible
This guy uses dash cam to report the police for driving unsafe.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/pasco-mans-dashboard-videos-snare-speeding-police-firefighters/2160563 (http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/pasco-mans-dashboard-videos-snare-speeding-police-firefighters/2160563)
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Cows contribute more to global warming than the whole transportation sector. Just sayin'.
There are people saying that should be banned also Link (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet) :CanofWorms: :GA:
A global shift towards a vegan diet is vital to save the world from hunger, fuel poverty and the worst impacts of climate change, a UN report said today.
As the global population surges towards a predicted 9.1 billion people by 2050, western tastes for diets rich in meat and dairy products are unsustainable, says the report from United Nations Environment Programme's (UNEP) international panel of sustainable resource management.
Here the are people talking about keeping cows indoor only. To be able to control the gasses. :GA:
Foodproduction has been industrialised more than enough.
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I see where they are building methane collectors for them to study emissions.
(http://www.eattheweeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/cow-gas-tank-e1319194718692-300x245.jpg)
Poor cows. :(
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2E-alY7ajtA/Te-7flAPt3I/AAAAAAAAAFg/ucJmGwuFSd8/s320/cow-methane.jpg)
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"Sweden prohibits from 1 July all (covert) photography or film in the private sphere, even if the images are taken on the street, in the garden or for example during birthday parties at home.
Such pictures are only allowed when the people in the photo or video have given their prior consent. The Swedish government has ratified the bill for this on Thursday (today). From July 1, anyone who photographs people in Sweden without asking for permission first is risking a fine or imprisonment (up to 2 years).
Journalists and press photographers fear that the new law will be used to their watchdog function and thus curb press freedom. Formally, the law makes an exception for news, but according to the Swedish journalists union, the conditions are unclear.
The Swedish government wants to prevent with this new photography law that the private lives of its citizens are just shared via internet, for example Twitter, Facebook and YouTube with everyone else. Also visually capturing and publishing harassment on the street is covered by the law."
Fellas, meet you in jail!
Link (http://photo.net/street-documentary-photography-forum/00bgr8)
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Probably covered in this law somehow. It's just the type of shitty law that can be used against just about anyone that pisses someone off as revenge
I think you're right. It's just about the most moronic law ever.
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"Sweden prohibits from 1 July all (covert) photography or film in the private sphere, even if the images are taken on the street, in the garden or for example during birthday parties at home.
How is the street considered the private sphere? Can minors in Sweden give consent to their photo, or is that the parent's consent? Do parents get written consent from other parents when inviting them to birthday parties, so they can take pictures of their own kid's party? What if someone is accidentally included in the background of a picture which includes people who have consented?
Exactly. There are so many what-ifs that I don't even know where to begin. ::)
I *think* the law started as a seriously misguided effort to protect people from having their drunken nudes and such being posted by others on the interwebz, but I can't be arsed to look it up.
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Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
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Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
:hitler:
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I'm pretty sure it's a gopher right. :zoinks:
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Doing whatever you want, when you want it, cuz its fun, is not a human right.
:hitler:
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But he believes the exact opposite when it comes to sex and doing drugs with underage children. :wanker:
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Why would people be bitching about ultra-low sulfur fuel for any vehicle fitted with a catalytic converter? it has to be to be compatible with catalytic converters, because sulfur, along with lead, are both notorious catalyst poisons for precious metal-based catalytic reducing agents. In fact the principle of catalyst poisoning is used deliberately in certain lab circumstances, most notably Lindlar catalyst for selectively reducing an alkyne triple bond to an alkene and stopping before complete reduction to the unsaturated hydrocarbon, that is a palladium-based catalyst plated onto barium sulfate most usually, the sulfur serves, carefully deployed, to poison and deactivate the catalyst leaving a lower degree of reductant potency, and thus one ends up with a far more finely tuned, more selective catalyst for specialist uses. But for a car, its just going to fuck up the converter, using fuel contaminated with the likes of thiophene (which is often found in benzene as a contaminant, even in commercial benzene sold as a solvent, which apparently can sometimes smell pretty foul, due to the thiophene. (although I actually, do not know from personal experience what C6H6 smells like, since smelling benzene is a really, really bad idea, its a powerful carcinogen due to its being locked in a flat, planar conformation due to the aromaticity of the benzene ring, which allows it to slip in between and intercalate with DNA strands, acting thus as a mutagen and carcinogen. Quite a specific one in fact, since its tendency is towards causing leukaemias. Although not acutely extremely toxic, its one of the solvents that I am very, very careful with and would always, ALWAYS use either brand new, or just tested with something like diethyl ether (if you can smell it, and its not going to do any serious harm catching a whiff of ether, hell you can drink the stuff as long as its clean enough and pure enough to be potable, lacking any unpleasant things mixed in to it, if you can smell it through your gas mask you need to check the fit, and if you can still smell it, change the filters. Strong smell but pleasant, works pretty well for testing whether or not you need a change of cartridge.
Well not children...but tell THAT to my ex fiancee DFG:P
And in her case, I'm pretty sure we both believed in exactly the same thing. Actually it was me who had to hold back so I didn't get caught doing some of the things she suggested. At least not WHERE she suggested them be done.
Although As far as the latter of the two categories is concerned, one of my happiest memories in life is with her, both of us having been caught out in a howling gale and pissing it down, to the extent it threatened quite literally to blow us off our feet, and the two of us using, I forget what it was now but either a lamp post or telegraph pole to link arms to each other around and form a human shield out of me, and one REALLY damn fine, although ahem..somewhat young, kanner's lass, so I could skin up the last bit of weed I had for us to share, curled up together inside one of those big wide horizontal metal tube thingies in some kids playparks (no little kids there playing, the weather was absolutely foul. But the two of us, relative ages be damned to hell, snuggled up, keeping each other warm and passing the doob.
God damn...its been over twelve years now since I last saw her, and I still miss her every fucking day. We were going to get married, even. And I know even now that she was The One. Would give almost anything for a chance to be back at her side, eventually have a kid, or two. Probably turn out to be autistic, but I wouldn't wish anything else on any kid of mine. And it certainly is known to have a very strong heritable component, although variable in expression. Presumably two classic auties though are going to make more of us. Or they should have. I was just waiting until she was old enough, and we could both have stability to go that far (to set up a family I mean)