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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: Al Swearegen on November 01, 2013, 04:34:54 AM

Title: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 01, 2013, 04:34:54 AM
OK this was never supposed to be a forgone conclusions that we would have this call out, BUT apparently Skyblue can not help but be a grubby little worm so here we are

So to get an idea as to the beginning, perhaps you COULD wade through the below two threads (one a continuation of the other (63 pages in all) or you could accept my brief summary as truth.
Skyblue and a few of us were displaced by the AFF shutdown and we spent some time finding the missing souls around the interwebz and pulled them into a temp forum Skyblue set up. I had (with many people years before - including Nu, Hyke and Lestat) come up with a lot of ideas to create a effective ASD forum. When I announced this, Sky and Aspiemomma mentioned a youth forum idea that they had been considering and that they could get an AFF replacement forum with a youth component to cater for Aspie kids and youths.
I was more than cool with that as with the enthusiasm of a handful of us and Skyblue and Aspiemomma on the case and taking responsibility and accountability....all good. I would help formulate the boards and get new members and they could manage the place and take the credit. Worked for me.
Then they seemed to take forever and i was getting people asking me what was going on. I kept asking if i could help as I was sure it ought not take as long. Nope, it took a long time. I started asking whoever i saw online Sky if he was on and aspiemomma when she was on. This was exacerbated by the fact that the temp forum was not accepting new members and we knew people were trying to join and could not.

That is the background to the two threads. In that Sky started off announcing that I was going to start my own forum and have it up in 24 hours and so on. It was the first I knew. Having experienced difficulties of his own in getting it up and running and being that he alone had access to the email addresses and was Admin of the temp forum full of ex-AFF'ers and I was no longer a member there, it was him setting me up to either fail or scramble back to him to ask to be retained as his dutiful lackey an apologise for my impatience.

He failed.


http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,21435.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,21435.0.html)

http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,21516.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,21516.0.html)


I started a new forum and he started his. Later in the thread he managed to piss off a few more of his members over trivial bullshit and was called on it and then decided to be an arsehole. Did not work well for him. He broke up with AspieMomma and implied he was suicidal and did a big Mea Culpa, so we all backed off. It worked too. Things were all resolved, I thought.....

Quote from: Al Swearengen link=topic=21435.msg994339#msg994339
date=1378478758

Nothing has changed? Mate, it looks like Skyblue is crestfallen and
miserable, he has backed away from a more hands on role, AspieMomma
perhaps not as hands on and Cynara having a more hands on frontline
role. That sounds like big changes. Skyblue apologising and wanting to
distance himself from what was said, seems like a change.

I think the three above are having a hard time. Probably best
letting these questions go a bit. I have a few gripes about the start
of his forum and mine. But I honestly think that there can not be
enough Autism Activism and Advocacy sites. I don't know how Skyblue
will go long term but I actually would not mind giving him the best
chance to do so. I think it would be awesome for a successful Activism
site to come out of all of this and in spite of all of this. If he can
do this then kudos to him and I would support that. I just think
letting it a go for now may give it best chance and pursuing things
may jeopardise that chance.


Not saying the question is good, bad or indifferent or you ate good,
bad or indifferent asking.  Just would love to see this thread buried.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 01, 2013, 06:02:14 AM
mytelli was getting on everyone about the lack of activism at AFF

That kind of thing always struck me as strange. Complaining about lack of activism without constructive doing anything.
Had a look at AFN the other day and saw there were some decent autism news and activism type threads on there. That is construcyive. Saw too that you had not allowed the AFF blog to die. More decent articles there. That is all constructive.
Dunno why people just whinge
I do not have control of the AFF blog. In fact i have accused you of taking it from me. (someone changed the password and locked me out). It being the main reason I have been pisssed with you. You were the only other person who had the password. Any way someone has been deleting my work there also.
That is more attention than it got while AFF was alive.

Makes me wonder if somehow or another Amy has grabbed it.

~ Dunno ~

Now on the subject of honesty, I have hears a rumour from a number of surprising sources that you have been telling your members in the members area of your forum that I am wanting you to fail and actively promoting this with others and that is my intent. Is that truth or am I subject to many lies from many people?
If it is true, why are you lying about me on your forum?
have mentioned it several times. So yes it is true[/u].

I do not consider my self to be spreading false truths.   As we are not a youth or kiddie forum as you have been spreading around. And I do not give away modships and admin status. Just to lure people from a forum as you have done to AFN

If you accuse me of lying, you best have some way to prove it.

Just like I cant prove what I say, you cant prove that you havent.

If you are trying to start shit with me, I will say my meds help me to not give a fuck either way, about how you feel.

Very strange that you would allow others to be able to ban you.

The only permission that is not granted to my admins is the power to change admin permissions. Also I do control the backend to my forum, so not even AspieMomma can take it down.

I have granted cynara permission to open and close the board. That in case I get suicidal again and close it down.  My fees are paid for two years (cheaper than what you say you are paying for one year) so AFN will continue busy or not, with or without me, for some time to come.

Any thing else?


Well logic does not seem to be your strong suit. You come to a half-baked (yeah I think you are at least half baked) conclusions and then state this as fact. Then you use these "facts" to smear my forum.

Now you are basically saying that if I am saying that you are lying for asserting that the bullshit you are formulating without fact and exempt from reason, then I need to prove you are lying. No, no, no, no...silly paranoid little grub. You need to.
That is right, you talk shit, you need to back it when called on it. It is no use doing members only thread on your forum and making accusations and members only callouts here to discuss it (where you will not look as bad to as many people). Look at yourself in the mirror. if you see a spineless cowardly little bitch, there is possibly a good reason for it.

But to be clear here is the things you will have to defend:

the "fact" that I have been spreading around that I want you to fail.
the "fact' that I have been trying to encourage your forum to fail
the 'fact" that I have at some stage referred to your forum as a kiddie forum
the "fact" that I use modships to lure people away from your forum.

As to the youth forum concept, I don't need to make a case for that do I? Let's ask your other admin Aspiemomma what she thought about your site shall we?

No.  Al and El Pres are the new Amy and Gareth.  ;)

I prefer that board, though. Its more like this one.

Yes, it is and that's cool. 

We just want something more like what AFF was - supportive, informative, with an emphasis on advocacy.  It would be hard to add a youth component to a site like that, and that is important to us because autistic kids need that support more than anyone.

There was a small youth section on AFF. The young members mostly posted where everyone else did, and their contributions were treated the same.

We all find commonalities in others online. Why set the youth apart?

AFF may have started as an advocacy forum. but it was mostly a support and general discussion forum near the end. Are you looking to set things back to the way AFF once was?

Also, why can't there just be one thread on the skyblue1/AspieMomma forum? Why do I have to click back and forth? :( :P

By "youth" forum, I mean younger than AFF would have allowed. 

My oldest son is 9.  He would benefit from interacting with other kids with AS and learning about self-advocacy from someone other than his mommy. ;)

Different age groups would have more/less moderation in their forums and access only to certain forums.  Adults shouldn't have access to the youth forums unless they have children there.  They should remain private forums so that what is posted there isn't easily available on the internet. 

I would like to see a greater emphasis on advocacy, but that really is up to the membership.  I hope to have a more active advocacy component to the site beyond forum posting. 

You must click back and forth as penance for you misdeeds in a past life.

Here you run into problems. Read this (http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus84-childrens-online-privacy-protection-rule-six-step-compliance-plan-your-business) before you decide to let young children join. Will the site be based in the US?

What's the point of segregating people? Philosophically, it only serves to divide us as a community. Don't curebies do that enough? Also, why be ageist about moderation? Are you trying to create an online preschool for aspies? If so, why would adults want to join? Practically, it limits options. I can see an adult forum for sex-related issues, just for legal reasons. AFF's youth forum was rarely used. Why not allow adults to comment on youth threads? Are you worried about online predators?

EXACTLY.
 Thats what I SAID. I told you would have to get parental consent...also separating the forums makes them more vulnerable to predators who pose as children.

At least, it will make you more paranoid about members. Will you turn into skyblue1 and see new members as potential psychopathic sock puppets?

It might work if you have a special forum only for children of established members, but I don't know if that's worth the risk to you.

Somewhere more youth orientated that her 9 year old could hang out in? Hey cool, but IF that was not what you were afterthen do not point your grubby gnarled little finger my way and question my ability to make anything more or less.
BUT perhaps this is not clear enough. Let's ask....I dunno....Skyblue what he thinks

We were going to put together a board before AFF went down

That board was to be a youth and young adult board.



......Our board wont be about grudges or revenge

and also wont be a rehash of I^2.

Cause everyone knows

there is only one I^2.

Yes I know the last bit looks a bit like a marketing strategy to tell everyone ASDC it a rehash of I2 (something both you and AspieMomma repeated a number of times until I corrected you) "and there is only one I2 (So you need not bother with this imposter)"

Fuck you, you little sneaky little shit.

Actually I do not much care who is and is not on your forum. I know Marcia, Scrap, Bruce, 143587 are there and that is an endorsement to be less and less interested in the site. I would not have them for the asking. Apart from that, we are going to share the same member base for the most part. I know Black Butterfly has got some staff position there are she was mod at my site. I don't care, I encouraged her to do so. Does not affect me. Now to make sure you are not a complete hypocrite , can you deny that what you were saying in me luring members into mod positions is not in effect what you were doing?
Curse you can't because as well as being a practioner of the art of hit and run, a coward, insecure, a liar, a paranoid conspiracy theorist, a mudraker, you are also a hypocrite.

OK may want to show that you were not just making stories and that your Mea Culpa was not a green light for you to pretend things resolve whilst trying to stab me in the back with deliberate lies. Or not. never fun when they come at you front on without allowing you to do secret threads and Pm's out of sight of the ones that may take issue and want to defend themselves. Ones that left you alone when you cried mercy and apologised. Weak little germ.

Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 01, 2013, 06:30:37 AM
since I dont care about this nonsense

and wanting to give the courtesy of a reply

I yield
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 01, 2013, 06:51:17 AM
since I dont care about this nonsense

and wanting to give the courtesy of a reply

I yield

You know i am not entirely sure what "courtesy" you are extending means.
The reason I say this is that after your last apology (bought about after a lot of unnecessary bullshit), I thought that it was over and done with. You do whatever you want to do to administer and develop your site, and I do the same. Buried hatchet. A kindness to let a crestfallen old man who was all sad and over-wrought get on with things.
That is courtesy.
You using this capitulation as a chance to scheme and spread lies about me in secret in response to my "courtesy" was not at all courteous.
So I think you do not know what courtesy is or how to practice it. You seem to view other people not kicking you when you are down as a weakness on their part. Or maybe an opportunity to regroup.

I do not buy the bullshit or the charades anymore. After you pulling this pseudo-suicidal shit once before on AFF when Max the Bear and others had a go at you for some stupid racist remark, I believed you to be in danger and unlike others, I stuck up for you and helped you out. I let up on you this time when you tried it on. I do not and will not buy that bullshit anymore though.

Not to say that you do not have a need to take those pills or that there is not a reason. Between a rough upbringing with your old man, and i am sure, nightly visitations from Vietnam War experiences and seeing the horror that young men can inflict on each other, and of course a recent relationship bust up. I understand that.

But if you are THAT vulnerable you do not do this sneaky manipulating, lying and backstabbing and expect me to then fight with a hand behind my back. That emasculates you more than you have already done.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 01, 2013, 07:16:13 AM
allow me to clarify

dont remember sayin much in the staff forum about you

most of what I have said was in open thread

or by PM ( which is entirely not your business)

So as you can see if you scan our threads and posts

was not much.

It is by rights as a person that I can complain if I wish.

As stated already

I yield
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 01, 2013, 07:26:52 AM
allow me to clarify

dont remember sayin much in the staff forum about you

most of what I have said was in open thread

or by PM ( which is entirely not your business)

So as you can see if you scan our threads and posts

was not much.

It is by rights as a person that I can complain if I wish.

As stated already

I yield

Hmmm....not "that much" or "PM" <==== As I said, you are being a sneaky little shit, sneaking around after a mea culpa and apology and resolution, talking shit about me and spreading lies whilst reporting it as fact. It is what I WAS saying.

That you don't remember is neither here nor there, liars do not often have great memories, that is why they have holes poked into their defences very easily.

I think yu yielded before too. You know, that "I am so very sorry, I apologise. I love you guys I feel like ending it all" kind of comment NOW THAT is a yield. Having yielded, what did you set about doing?




(I will give you a hint. Starts with "Sneaked around behind Al and tried to backstab him..." and ends with"because pill popping Silverback wannabees can not handle the humility do not understand when they are better to accept a lose and move on, AND think that having expressed deepest darkest depression, will allow them to fight unaccosted")
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 01, 2013, 07:41:29 AM
actually I haven t started a damn thing

I simply answered his question (honestly and upfront)

in BG's thread, unless that  reply has been deleted also.

as I said there he cant prove innocence of what I said

The same as I cannot prove anything on him.

And since some one removed my callout of grumpy

which was posted first

why should I participate in his

which is just beating a dead horse

of course entertainment for y'all

But still a dead horse


http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,21784.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,21784.0.html)

Oh dear. More blue pills and less red?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 01, 2013, 07:46:17 AM
allow me to clarify

dont remember sayin much in the staff forum about you

most of what I have said was in open thread

or by PM ( which is entirely not your business)

So as you can see if you scan our threads and posts

was not much.

It is by rights as a person that I can complain if I wish.

As stated already

I yield

Hmmm....not "that much" or "PM" <==== As I said, you are being a sneaky little shit, sneaking around after a mea culpa and apology and resolution, talking shit about me and spreading lies whilst reporting it as fact. It is what I WAS saying.

That you don't remember is neither here nor there, liars do not often have great memories, that is why they have holes poked into their defences very easily.

I think yu yielded before too. You know, that "I am so very sorry, I apologise. I love you guys I feel like ending it all" kind of comment NOW THAT is a yield. Having yielded, what did you set about doing?




(I will give you a hint. Starts with "Sneaked around behind Al and tried to backstab him..." and ends with"because pill popping Silverback wannabees can not handle the humility do not understand when they are better to accept a lose and move on, AND think that having expressed deepest darkest depression, will allow them to fight unaccosted")
methinks thou doth protest too much and too loudly

about this silliness

That there must be some truth to my suspicions.

Hell except for your loud mouth no one would even paying this; much attention at all.

As stated I yield.

Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 01, 2013, 07:59:51 AM
Methinks you do not think as much as you think you think.  :lol1:

I tell you what. How about you tell us what you were expecting. Something like "I will under a cease fire go spreading dissent against the person I yielded and who took mercy on my massive attack of the sads. (The person who pitied me), and taht person will do nothing in return because it is just silliness?

Something like that? You have free reign because i ought to take such arseholeness is OK because you are having a hard time at the moment, and if I respond somehow it is BECAUSE there is some truth in it?

Yup too many pills. What you described is no more part of reality than the lies you spread around.

This is a natural reaction to you not being about to take a lose. Not being able to accept responsibility for your actions and frankly failing as a man....again.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 01, 2013, 08:12:46 AM
Methinks you do not think as much as you think you think.  :lol1:

I tell you what. How about you tell us what you were expecting. Something like "I will under a cease fire go spreading dissent against the person I yielded and who took mercy on my massive attack of the sads. (The person who pitied me), and taht person will do nothing in return because it is just silliness?

Something like that? You have free reign because i ought to take such arseholeness is OK because you are having a hard time at the moment, and if I respond somehow it is BECAUSE there is some truth in it?

Yup too many pills. What you described is no more part of reality than the lies you spread around.

This is a natural reaction to you not being about to take a lose. Not being able to accept responsibility for your actions and frankly failing as a man....again.
go bully xomeone else
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 01, 2013, 08:26:32 AM
Methinks you do not think as much as you think you think.  :lol1:

I tell you what. How about you tell us what you were expecting. Something like "I will under a cease fire go spreading dissent against the person I yielded and who took mercy on my massive attack of the sads. (The person who pitied me), and taht person will do nothing in return because it is just silliness?

Something like that? You have free reign because i ought to take such arseholeness is OK because you are having a hard time at the moment, and if I respond somehow it is BECAUSE there is some truth in it?

Yup too many pills. What you described is no more part of reality than the lies you spread around.

This is a natural reaction to you not being about to take a lose. Not being able to accept responsibility for your actions and frankly failing as a man....again.
go bully xomeone else

No, that won't do. You do not start shit and then cry bully you emotional trainwreck.

Here I was feeling all sorry for you. Even respecting you a little for apologising. Happy to even, as i posted in this thread ask others to leave you alone. I pitied you.
Hell I was nt happy with what had gone on but I let you go about your business and i went about mine. I hear a few reports about your forum but nothing overly exciting. Then from a number of reports I hear you talking shit about me undeserved, untrue, unreasonable and out of nowhere.

That was YOU. Wasn't me. All you. You were responsible and YOU will take whatever comes out of your own actions. That is fair isn't it?
You do not expect that this makes you the victim and me the bully right? Because only an idiot would.
You do not start trouble and cry foul when people react on you because only a spineless little bitch would.

So what are you trying to imply here?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 01, 2013, 08:42:06 AM
You know what the "funny thing' here is Skyblue?
You trying to shame me will not stop me. You are not in the right and will just be a hypocrite for trying.
You doing a big sad again will not work on me. I think now it is a tactic to give you free reign to be an asshat without being attacked. A way of getting wriggle room to get away from situations.
You fighting me will go nowhere because you are not in the right.
You yielding will not do much for you either as i have seen what happens when you yield and the same goes for your worthless apologies.

So....what else have you got?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 01, 2013, 08:51:49 AM
You know what the "funny thing' here is Skyblue?
You trying to shame me will not stop me. You are not in the right and will just be a hypocrite for trying.
You doing a big sad again will not work on me. I think now it is a tactic to give you free reign to be an asshat without being attacked. A way of getting wriggle room to get away from situations.
You fighting me will go nowhere because you are not in the right.
You yielding will not do much for you either as i have seen what happens when you yield and the same goes for your worthless apologies.

So....what else have you got?
if you wish to make a temp account at AFN

I will give you mod status for 24 hours so

you can see exactly what  is in our staff notes.


Cyber bullying is against the law

That is what I consider this callout.

As I answered your question in BG's thread, honestly,

Bully someone else.

Take me up on my offer or not

You will find my Staff notes rather boring.

But in the interest of transparency, you are welcome to look
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 01, 2013, 09:10:03 AM
You know what the "funny thing' here is Skyblue?
You trying to shame me will not stop me. You are not in the right and will just be a hypocrite for trying.
You doing a big sad again will not work on me. I think now it is a tactic to give you free reign to be an asshat without being attacked. A way of getting wriggle room to get away from situations.
You fighting me will go nowhere because you are not in the right.
You yielding will not do much for you either as i have seen what happens when you yield and the same goes for your worthless apologies.

So....what else have you got?
if you wish to make a temp account at AFN

I will give you mod status for 24 hours so

you can see exactly what  is in our staff notes.


Cyber bullying is against the law

That is what I consider this callout.

As I answered your question in BG's thread, honestly,

Bully someone else.

Take me up on my offer or not

You will find my Staff notes rather boring.

But in the interest of transparency, you are welcome to look

Do I want to go on your forum to see where you have been spreading lies about me to your members? No...no not really. Funny that. I was quite happy doing my own thing without being a member on your site and letting you get on with it.
What would it do anyhow. I know what is there as i was told from a number of sources. I also would not log on with my real IP address and you do not accept proxies. Oh...you want me to use my real IP.  :lol1:

Speaking about you being a complete hypocrite. If I was not doing anything to interfere with you and was concentrating on my forum and you were busy spreading bullshit to others about me with an intent to smear me and my forum then THAT is somehow not cyberbullying. That I do it to your face is neither here nor there so I really do not give a shit what you consider cyber bullying. You ought to have considered that before you started shit. But you obviously thought the payoff was worth it.

Is it? I wonder?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 02, 2013, 01:06:30 AM
Watch the dates and understand the context


The Mea Culpa, "apology" and cry of mercy.

I am totally responsible for everything

that has happened here and anywhere else in my life


I apologies to everyone

concerned with this matter


and with all other matters

if I could die

I would

I cannot take it any longer

apologies to all


Giving a kindness to back off and let him walk away without pursuing him or continuing any aggression

He is slowly distancing himself from his support website. he doesn't appear to be an admin over there. seems he took my advice on the whole "Image" thingy.  :trollface:
He told me he is no longer Admin  that Aspiemomma and others are running the site. He does not want anyone's personal animosity toward him to adversely affect the AFN site.

He is not suicidal but he is feeling down and out at this point. This per phone conversation a little while ago.

...and from me

Nothing has changed? Mate, it looks like Skyblue is crestfallen and miserable, he has backed away from a more hands on role, AspieMomma perhaps not as hands on and Cynara having a more hands on frontline role. That sounds like big changes. Skyblue apologising and wanting to distance himself from what was said, seems like a change.

I think the three above are having a hard time. Probably best letting these questions go a bit. I have a few gripes about the start of his forum and mine. But I honestly think that there can not be enough Autism Activism and Advocacy sites. I don't know how Skyblue will go long term but I actually would not mind giving him the best chance to do so. I think it would be awesome for a successful Activism site to come out of all of this and in spite of all of this. If he can do this then kudos to him and I would support that. I just think letting it a go for now may give it best chance and pursuing things may jeopardise that chance.

Not saying the question is good, bad or indifferent or you ate good, bad or indifferent asking.  Just would love to see this thread buried.

THAT is where it should have resolved

But a month or so later....



Now on the subject of honesty, I have hears a rumour from a number of surprising sources that you have been telling your members in the members area of your forum that I am wanting you to fail and actively promoting this with others and that is my intent. Is that truth or am I subject to many lies from many people?
If it is true, why are you lying about me on your forum?

have mentioned it several times. So yes it is true.

I do not consider my self to be spreading false truths.   As we are not a youth or kiddie forum as you have been spreading around. And I do not give away modships and admin status. Just to lure people from a forum as you have done to AFN

If you accuse me of lying, you best have some way to prove it.

Just like I cant prove what I say, you cant prove that you havent.

If you are trying to start shit with me, I will say my meds help me to not give a fuck either way, about how you feel.

Very strange that you would allow others to be able to ban you.

The only permission that is not granted to my admins is the power to change admin permissions. Also I do control the backend to my forum, so not even AspieMomma can take it down.

I have granted cynara permission to open and close the board. That in case I get suicidal again and close it down.  My fees are paid for two years (cheaper than what you say you are paying for one year) so AFN will continue busy or not, with or without me, for some time to come.

Any thing else?

He was acting like an arsehole. To the point it cost him , his relationship

other than correcting grumpy's statement that I broke up with AspieMomma ( she broke up with me).....



The fact that he begs to be let up on and then uses this mercy to spring into a campaign of gutter lies and misinformation suggests to me likely to be because a number of possibilities (and maybe a combination of a few)

1) He never expected to be caught and held accountable...why else post in a members only area and by PM...both admitted in this thread.

2) He did not expect I would actually face him and call him on it?

I yield

Dont care about your callout,

Perhaps you can sic your lapdogs on me again.

If you cant face me in person with your bullshit

Just shut the fuck up.

3) He expected that as he was backed off last time when he "yielded", it would naturally work again

I yield....
....I yield
....As stated already

I yield
As stated I yield.

4) He tried to reinvent the situation where he was the victim


go bully xomeone else

5) He then upgrades this fantasy to include an implied legal threat

Cyber bullying is against the law

That is what I consider this callout.

As I answered your question in BG's thread, honestly,

Bully someone else....

What I really like about this is a not so subtle way to try to control the situation and shut me up by getting my IP address


if you wish to make a temp account at AFN

I will give you mod status for 24 hours so

you can see exactly what  is in our staff notes.

OK but I COULD use a proxy right?

What a fucking dumbass you are

You have seen my rule


either comply or dont

doesnt matter

No, I haven't seen the rule, if one even exists. You have no posted list of rules (or you didn't when I could still see your site), and you didn't have a rule against proxies before you used the "rule" to ban me.

Why not answer the rest of the points in the OP?

I will not allow your blacklisted proxies

sorry

aint happening

They are all known Spam Harvesters and Comment Spammers

Yes against the rules to register with proxies. Only my real IP will do AND I CAN trust him with my IP address right? He would act in a honourable manner and not against members best interests and not be spiteful or cowardly or anything.....right?


Big hand for Skyblue. The guy is a real human.  :lol1:

(I still want to know, when he started putting shit on me and my forum, how he imagined it was going to all play out for him.)
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 02, 2013, 04:33:37 AM
Holy shit, ladies and gents, announcement time!................................

I realised exactly WHY Skyblue has decided to do this. OK sue me for being so slow of the mark but I failed to see that he would be so petty. Ready to laugh OR alternatively please feel free to shake your head at the thought that a man old enough to be my Father (yes I am turning 43 and I mean that quite literally - my father is his age) would this blatantly petty.

The self-styled Resident Silverback no less, degrading himself into a little petty bitch.

I could not quite work out what was the catalyst from being sad and butthurt to throwing caution to the wind and now I have got it. That crucial bit from September 6 - October 31.

READY???

Skyblue sent me a PM on here asking if I wanted to combine the boards. He waited for the best possible time (my forum went down for two days due to a hacking attempt) AND I politely rescinded his offer and wished him the best.  That was on September 26.

So he filled his time in the next month spreading lies and rumours and hearsay in an attempt to discredit and smear my forum.

Well I think at least this is his base intent.  "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned." It was penned by William Congreve, 1670-1729

But leading on from this something a little more desperate too. Something that an insecure, desperate little man may concern himself with.

It started coming together

....I have granted cynara permission to open and close the board. That in case I get suicidal again and close it down.  My fees are paid for two years (cheaper than what you say you are paying for one year) so AFN will continue busy or not, with or without me, for some time to come.....

This part of his quote seemed strangely redundant. Had I questioned how long it would be up or running? Or perhaps if he would be around the site or not? Or perhaps questioned how busy it was? No so where was this connection?

It only REALLY makes sense IF there was either an existing conversation about these things, which there was not OR HE was worried about these things and wanted to reassure himself.

if viewed in light of him a month ago requesting he join me, it makes more sense doesn't it?

Why?

...... In that Sky started off announcing that I was going to start my own forum and have it up in 24 hours and so on. It was the first I knew. Having experienced difficulties of his own in getting it up and running and being that he alone had access to the email addresses and was Admin of the temp forum full of ex-AFF'ers and I was no longer a member there, it was him setting me up to either fail or scramble back to him to ask to be retained as his dutiful lackey an apologise for my impatience.

He failed......


I was being a little modest. I have not only not failed but I am doing great and have a good atmosphere and culture, I am very active, i have great plans and happy members.

I can tell you, not that it matters much to me (but it obviously does to Skyblue), that we opened one week apart and with he having the obvious advantages listed, over me.

I am closing in on 19000 posts

He is slowly pushing to 8500 posts

I am not that interested in his forum and if it does well it is a "Yay Neurodiversity Activism" moment and if it dies in the arse, it is a "Oh well, could be worse, could be me" moment

This is why it was enough for him to overreact from me doing a very polite (considering he had been an arsehole and I had kindly let him just do his own thing) rebuke. Why it matters enough to smear my forum and try to discredit me and the forum. Why it matters so much.

The irony is that I could not give a shit about his forum. Apart from a few very noticeable exceptions, I would not wish the company of most of those on there that are not already active members with me. I certainly do not covert the site. Nor have I really focused on it.

To ask me to combine forums with his forum and to make that otherwise redundant comment, he is defensive over the lack of activity and success of his own forum and wants to bring me down to his level.

Petty does not describe the level of epic fail.

Funny though.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 02, 2013, 04:35:50 AM
By the way Skyblue, What was that racist comment those years ago that got Max and co jumping all over you.

I don't remember, but as you were all suicidal then too, I am guessing you would remember, yeah?

C'mon, share.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 02, 2013, 05:38:36 AM
By the way Skyblue, What was that racist comment those years ago that got Max and co jumping all over you.

I don't remember, but as you were all suicidal then too, I am guessing you would remember, yeah?

C'mon, share.
I said that if some blacks could pick them selves up by their bootstrings and function in this white world. And at the same time be as black as they wished to be when they werent around white folk.

That surely Aspies could do the same. Just a matter of learning what the NT world expected from folks.

Learn it and we can fit in. But at the same time be ourselves when we are alone and that we would not have to lose our Aspieness by fitting in.



Your old ass isnt butthurt is it grumpy,

Or are you still promoting your site

By making me look bad (which you havent, everyone already knows I was a horses ass)

Nice work. But this is to be expected from you.

So you arent any different than you ever were

And yes I have had no reason to be alive for most of my life

And will be content when it is over. So I can move on to the next

I am sure my karma will show that I learned from this lifetime
 
and I will not be forced to reincarnate here

Be my luck I would come back as your dog. And end up being kicked around for the rest of your miserable life.

Have a wonderful grumpy day!  And thanks for giving folk a reason to notice me.

Even I couldnt come up with a self-promotion like this.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 02, 2013, 06:12:00 AM
By the way Skyblue, What was that racist comment those years ago that got Max and co jumping all over you.

I don't remember, but as you were all suicidal then too, I am guessing you would remember, yeah?

C'mon, share.
I said that if some blacks could pick them selves up by their bootstrings and function in this white world. And at the same time be as black as they wished to be when they werent around white folk.

That surely Aspies could do the same. Just a matter of learning what the NT world expected form folks.

Learn it and we can fit in. But at the same time be ourselves when we are alone and that we would not have to lose our Aspieness by fitting in.



Your old ass isnt butthurt is it grumpy,

Are are you still promoting your site

By making me look bad (which you havent, everyone already knows I was a horses ass)

Nice work. But this is to be expected from you.

So you arent any different than you ever were

And yes I have had no reason to be alive for most of my life

And will be content when it is over. So I can move on to the next

I am sure my karma will show that I learned from this lifetime
 
and I will not be forced to reincarnate here

Be my luck I would come back as your dog. And end up being kicked around for the rest of your miserable life.

Have a wonderful grumpy day!  And thanks for giving folk a reason to notice me.

Even I couldnt come up with a self-promotion like this.

Yes, yes black people should be more white and a black person who is not embracing his "whiteness" and disavowing his "blackness" is a very bad black person. I agree, excellent argument.

No wonder you were jumped on  :lol1:

But on a more serious note, I am so glad you asked about my promotion and marketing (rather than make paranoid fear based projections that somehow involve your site). Yes I have the promotion and marketing kind of on hold at the moment...sort of.
I am getting a little bloke from overseas to find and record a heap of autism and aspergers based points of contact of individuals (the may be forums, blogs, social media...whatever. I am expecting ...maybe 1000? Something like that. Start building a network.
I am also waiting a couple of weeks for a member driven poll on something design-wise before finishing up the design of the forum now the member base is stable. Then I have a list of 3000+ people on the spectrum that I will email.
Couple more endevours in the pipeline.

None of this promotion has ANY impact or is beholden to you or your forum.

Oh and I do not have a dog and am not an animal person.  :P

Am I butthurt? No, you ought to know "So you arent any different than you ever were" that I am not. I will not have you or anyone backstab me without giving pretty good account of myself. That you seemed to allow yourself to forget this orrun the risk just says a lot about how fucking silly you are.

It is not me being silly or butthurt or anything else you may try to spin. You wanted to be a sneaky slimy lying cowardly insecure little grub and you got stepped on for your efforts.

You ought to have known that there was never a reality where carrying on like you did, against me, was ever going to have a favourable outcome. You ought to have known that. See I also know that you are likely depressed, have anxiety disorder, would bet on Post-traumatic stress and paranoia, but you know what? That is not a free ride from ever being responsible for anything you do or say, is it? Take your pills, keep your conspiracy theories to yourself and never for a moment think that I will not respond to attacks on me or my forum. You know better.

So being that you know better and when you got butthurt about me not wanting to combine forum (and decided to try and spread lies about me) what did you bloody think would happen?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 02, 2013, 10:51:14 AM
Here is where it goes full circle.

September 6th  - Skyblue and his apology and request for mercy

September 26th - Skyblue PM's me requesting to combine the forums, I knock him back

October 31st  - I get confirmation that he has been spreading lies about me to discredit me and my forum

So we have the time lines and the motive and in this thread we have exposed the mindset behind Skyblue.

But this all started with a quote from the "Beware Al Swearengen" thread (ironic actually, considering)
mytelli was getting on everyone about the lack of activism at AFF

That kind of thing always struck me as strange. Complaining about lack of activism without constructive doing anything.
Had a look at AFN the other day and saw there were some decent autism news and activism type threads on there. That is construcyive. Saw too that you had not allowed the AFF blog to die. More decent articles there. That is all constructive.
Dunno why people just whinge
I do not have control of the AFF blog. In fact i have accused you of taking it from me. (someone changed the password and locked me out). It being the main reason I have been pisssed with you. You were the only other person who had the password. Any way someone has been deleting my work there also.
That is more attention than it got while AFF was alive.

Makes me wonder if somehow or another Amy has grabbed it.

~ Dunno ~

Now on the subject of honesty, I have hears a rumour from a number of surprising sources that you have been telling your members in the members area of your forum that I am wanting you to fail and actively promoting this with others and that is my intent. Is that truth or am I subject to many lies from many people?
If it is true, why are you lying about me on your forum?

have mentioned it several times. So yes it is true.

I do not consider my self to be spreading false truths.   As we are not a youth or kiddie forum as you have been spreading around. And I do not give away modships and admin status. Just to lure people from a forum as you have done to AFN

If you accuse me of lying, you best have some way to prove it.

Just like I cant prove what I say, you cant prove that you havent.


If you are trying to start shit with me, I will say my meds help me to not give a fuck either way, about how you feel.

Very strange that you would allow others to be able to ban you.

The only permission that is not granted to my admins is the power to change admin permissions. Also I do control the backend to my forum, so not even AspieMomma can take it down.

I have granted cynara permission to open and close the board. That in case I get suicidal again and close it down.  My fees are paid for two years (cheaper than what you say you are paying for one year) so AFN will continue busy or not, with or without me, for some time to come.

Any thing else?

He does not consider himself telling false truths, and I have to prove it? Well look at this thread. I say that it is all rather apparent and he damn well knew each lie was a lie and not a "false truth". It is just a bit harder to stretch from a position of Sept 6 crestfallen humbled to October 31st admitting spreading this malicious bullshit (and importantly without any kind of justifiable proof), unless there was a reason or an agenda. The September 26th PM and the knock back of his offer to combine boards just seems like great motive.

Combine that with poorer performance and insecurity. That looks like perfect reason to run down someone he sees as a competitor and a threat. Perfect reason. Great reason to go from Big sads to spiteful backstabber and mudraker.
BIG reason to lie. Then lie again in the denial he knew he was lying.

Who would want to be Skyblue?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 02, 2013, 11:10:37 AM
By the way Skyblue, What was that racist comment those years ago that got Max and co jumping all over you.

I don't remember, but as you were all suicidal then too, I am guessing you would remember, yeah?

C'mon, share.
I said that if some blacks could pick them selves up by their bootstrings and function in this white world. And at the same time be as black as they wished to be when they werent around white folk.

That surely Aspies could do the same. Just a matter of learning what the NT world expected form folks.

Learn it and we can fit in. But at the same time be ourselves when we are alone and that we would not have to lose our Aspieness by fitting in.



Your old ass isnt butthurt is it grumpy,

Are are you still promoting your site

By making me look bad (which you havent, everyone already knows I was a horses ass)

Nice work. But this is to be expected from you.

So you arent any different than you ever were

And yes I have had no reason to be alive for most of my life

And will be content when it is over. So I can move on to the next

I am sure my karma will show that I learned from this lifetime
 
and I will not be forced to reincarnate here

Be my luck I would come back as your dog. And end up being kicked around for the rest of your miserable life.

Have a wonderful grumpy day!  And thanks for giving folk a reason to notice me.

Even I couldnt come up with a self-promotion like this.

Yes, yes black people should be more white and a black person who is not embracing his "whiteness" and disavowing his "blackness" is a very bad black person. I agree, excellent argument.

No wonder you were jumped on  :lol1:

But on a more serious note, I am so glad you asked about my promotion and marketing (rather than make paranoid fear based projections that somehow involve your site). Yes I have the promotion and marketing kind of on hold at the moment...sort of.
I am getting a little bloke from overseas to find and record a heap of autism and aspergers based points of contact of individuals (the may be forums, blogs, social media...whatever. I am expecting ...maybe 1000? Something like that. Start building a network.
I am also waiting a couple of weeks for a member driven poll on something design-wise before finishing up the design of the forum now the member base is stable. Then I have a list of 3000+ people on the spectrum that I will email.
Couple more endevours in the pipeline.

None of this promotion has ANY impact or is beholden to you or your forum.

Oh and I do not have a dog and am not an animal person.  :P

Am I butthurt? No, you ought to know "So you arent any different than you ever were" that I am not. I will not have you or anyone backstab me without giving pretty good account of myself. That you seemed to allow yourself to forget this orrun the risk just says a lot about how fucking silly you are.

It is not me being silly or butthurt or anything else you may try to spin. You wanted to be a sneaky slimy lying cowardly insecure little grub and you got stepped on for your efforts.

You ought to have known that there was never a reality where carrying on like you did, against me, was ever going to have a favourable outcome. You ought to have known that. See I also know that you are likely depressed, have anxiety disorder, would bet on Post-traumatic stress and paranoia, but you know what? That is not a free ride from ever being responsible for anything you do or say, is it? Take your pills, keep your conspiracy theories to yourself and never for a moment think that I will not respond to attacks on me or my forum. You know better.

So being that you know better and when you got butthurt about me not wanting to combine forum (and decided to try and spread lies about me) what did you bloody think would happen?
Quite interesting that you think you have won something here.

I havent said much about my place, because this is I^2 and I^2 really doeesnt need this kind of garbage, cluttering it up.

We are after a different demographic, you and I. And no we arent after the kids.

Nope its a different group I want

Without it there is no hope for a young folks forum in the future.

Of course separate entirely from AFN.



As far as Max goes, you two are peas from the same pod

Self Dx'ed Aspies.  Who are really nothing more than Aspie bashers, dressed in costume.

Dont want to hear no Dunc's law shit

You know you have done nothing but lie for the last 5 years ( the MTB incident was 2008 not 2010, you dolt )

All I had to do was wait for MTB to fuck up. And I waited patiently for 2 weeks and he finally showed himself.

May have to wait longer for a narcissist like yourself to fuck up, but I am sure you will in the end.

Wonder how your loyal followers will feel then


Dont want to hear shit about AFN not being activist

We provide the greatest Activism, which is support for our fellow Autist
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 02, 2013, 11:37:01 AM
So without your forum, there is no hope for young folk in the future? Sounds grim. Not to worry, you have a winning charm and I am sure you will drive them through the gates en masse. Like a big old slaughterhouse.

Actually I was diagnosed in 2002 by Dr Roger Patterson. Max was not self-diagnosed. He said he was ADHD and his boyfriend was diagnosed Aspergers. You seem to be clueless?

I never said the Max incident was 2010 or 2008. I never specified a year. So I guess you are the dolt? Yes?

Nothing but lie? Great all you have to do is show and expose those lies and if that is all I have been doing for the last 5 years, then you should be able to easily point these examples out. Right Skyblue? C'mon old man, don't say you can't, that would look like you are making up paranoid fantasies again.

I am sure your site is trying very hard and I am sure the activism is great. I noticed you had some threads and that was the limit of my interest.

So you want to wait for me to fuck up? Fuck up how exactly? The same way you have been fucking up for the last two months? I really hope not. I would not want to be a complete joke.

One pill, two pill, red pill, blue pill.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 03, 2013, 06:14:18 AM
So it is clear that you were lying, when you were lying, why you were lying, and that you knew you were lying.
There really is not much to clarify about this.

I have two questions.

What did you think would happen by you lying?

How did you think you would damage control on this WHEN it happened?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 03, 2013, 09:49:14 AM
WTF can you use someones IP for

I already know where grumpy is

Already know what he looks like

And know who he is



My complaining about grumpy has beeen 'going on since
AFN started

It is not something new

In fact other than a couple of comments online
has not been mentioned much

So grumpy's feelings that this is something new is incorrect
and could be construed as paranoia on his part



since his usual habit is to present things in a wall of unreadable ( to me ) text
I have only skimmed his posts here

He asked a question on BG's thread, which I answered honestly

So this 'callout' is nothing but more drama and attention seeking on his part

As said before I dont care how he feels

dont have much interest in him and his forum



Firmly believe he is not Autist at all
and is more NPD than anything

Of course this is all in my opinion (re: his DX)




Again AFN is not a youth forum anymore than ASDC is

I allow none under 16 as a matter of policy and as an older adult
actually prefer older adults. But don't control that either.



I realize this has entertainment value to I^2 readers, but this is much ado about nothing and more attention seeking by a grumpy Ross.

As said from the beginning

I yield, as there is nothing to gain or lose (for me). As I dont care either way
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 03, 2013, 09:55:04 AM


Actually I was diagnosed in 2002 by Dr Roger Patterson. Max was not self-diagnosed. He said he was ADHD and his boyfriend was diagnosed Aspergers. You seem to be clueless?

I never said the Max incident was 2010 or 2008. I never specified a year. So I guess you are the dolt? Yes?

Actually as late as 2008 you stated on AFF that you were not DX'ed. When someone mentioned it , the next week you became DX'ed

If you deny this, you are lying.

And yes you did say 2010 for the Max  debacle, you modified the post that was in.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 03, 2013, 10:40:22 AM
 :probe:


Actually I was diagnosed in 2002 by Dr Roger Patterson. Max was not self-diagnosed. He said he was ADHD and his boyfriend was diagnosed Aspergers. You seem to be clue
I never said the Max incident was 2010 or 2008. I never specified a year. So I guess you are the dolt? Yes?

Actually as late as 2008 you stated on AFF that you were not DX'ed. When someone mentioned it , the next week you became DX'ed

If you deny this, you are lying.

And yes you did say 2010 for the Max  debacle, you modified the post that was in.

Indeed I deny this.
The reason I joined AFF is because I was diagnosed. Otherwise I would have no reason to have joined. I certainly did not tell anyone I was not diagnosed and would have no reason to tell anyone otherwise.
You are lying....again

Why would I vouch a date for the debacle? It was before the exodus and I believe that was 2008 but your I wanna kill myself moment then could have been a day or a year before. I do not know and do not care. It was not a point I care to speculate on and I did not include it in a post. If I modify posts it is generally because of poor spelling not in the way that you modify to take away damning inclusions.
So again a lie

I tell you what, how about this time going for pointing out lies I have said but instead of the lies being chemically induced delusions and mind tricks, make them real. Can you do that ?

I could accuse you of having stated all kinds of nonsense you haven't too but that would not make you a liar for denying it. See how truth and lies work now?

Try again. I lie all the time for the last 5 years and you have proof that you can show the good people here that I have (because I do it all the time and have for 5 years).
Trick here is not to state things that occurred years ago that you may be not be remembering right being the pill popping doddering old man you are, but things I have posted more recently that are here for all the forum to see that is blatant and an embarrassing falsity.

It should be easy IF I do it so much and for years. Liars tend to be inconsistent and lazy with their stories. You know this. That is how I exposed you in this thread.
The apology and supplication that was a lie and the false truths that were deliberate lies. In fact if I am a liar, you should be able to pick me very easily as you are verse in that rather dubious art.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 03, 2013, 10:48:42 AM
what part of yield do you not understand

perhaps it means something else in Aussie land

Fuck off, dude

Bully someone who gives a shit
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 03, 2013, 11:01:04 AM
what part of yield do you not understand

perhaps it means something else in Aussie land

Fuck off, dude

Bully someone who gives a shit

You "yielded" on Sept 5th then 6weeks later were found lying about me to others (bullying?) THAT is what yielding means to you.
"I yield. Leave me alone so I will be able too come at you some other way"
That is you Skyblue. That is the yellow spineless cowardly dishonourable dishonest spiteful petty toad of a man you are.

What did you honestly think would happen when you tried this shit on. That I would say "He is spreading lies? Oh that joker. Can't call him to rights because of the ceasefire he is breaking because he is still all sad."

Fuck you Slyblue. You should not have restarted your arsehattery. You did and so the public sees what you are. Not my fault I am just holding the mirror
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 03, 2013, 11:08:36 AM
what part of yield do you not understand

perhaps it means something else in Aussie land

Fuck off, dude

Bully someone who gives a shit

You "yielded" on Sept 5th then 6weeks later were found lying aboit me to others (bullying?) THAT is what yielding means to you.
"I yield. Leave me alone so I will be able too come at you some other way"
That is you Skyblue. That is the yellow spineless cowardly dishonourable dishonest spiteful petty toad of a man you are.

What did you honestly think would happen when you tried this shit on. That I would say "he is spreading lies? Oh that joker. Can't call him yo rights because of the ceasefire he is breaking because he is still all sad."

Fuck you Slyblue. You should not have restarted your arsehattery. You did and so the public sees what you are. Not my fault I  just holding the mirror
I can feel good that not everyone sees me as you do

You are the asshat, as you started this crap

If you dont want answers (BG's thread) quit asking questions.

Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 03, 2013, 11:18:43 AM
what part of yield do you not understand

perhaps it means something else in Aussie land

Fuck off, dude

Bully someone who gives a shit

You "yielded" on Sept 5th then 6weeks later were found lying aboit me to others (bullying?) THAT is what yielding means to you.
"I yield. Leave me alone so I will be able too come at you some other way"
That is you Skyblue. That is the yellow spineless cowardly dishonourable dishonest spiteful petty toad of a man you are.

What did you honestly think would happen when you tried this shit on. That I would say "he is spreading lies? Oh that joker. Can't call him yo rights because of the ceasefire he is breaking because he is still all sad."

Fuck you Slyblue. You should not have restarted your arsehattery. You did and so the public sees what you are. Not my fault I  just holding the mirror
I can feel good that not everyone sees me as you do

You are the asshat, as you started this crap

If you dont want answers (BG's thread) quit asking questions.

5th Sept you yielded as pointed out in this thread and apologised and asked to be left alone and I graciously accepted and left you alone. I had no real dealings with you but was civil and let you go about things. On sept 26th you asked to combine boards and I politely declined and somewhere between then and October 31st you restarted shit by smearing myself and my forum.

How the fuck do you not see this as restarting hostilities? Did you think that an act if kindness? How delusional and/or stupid are you?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 03, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
what part of yield do you not understand

perhaps it means something else in Aussie land

Fuck off, dude

Bully someone who gives a shit

You "yielded" on Sept 5th then 6weeks later were found lying aboit me to others (bullying?) THAT is what yielding means to you.
"I yield. Leave me alone so I will be able too come at you some other way"
That is you Skyblue. That is the yellow spineless cowardly dishonourable dishonest spiteful petty toad of a man you are.

What did you honestly think would happen when you tried this shit on. That I would say "he is spreading lies? Oh that joker. Can't call him yo rights because of the ceasefire he is breaking because he is still all sad."

Fuck you Slyblue. You should not have restarted your arsehattery. You did and so the public sees what you are. Not my fault I  just holding the mirror
I can feel good that not everyone sees me as you do

You are the asshat, as you started this crap

If you dont want answers (BG's thread) quit asking questions.

 somewhere between then and October 31st you restarted shit by smearing myself and my forum.



I reserve the right as a person to say what I wish when I wish to people personally, by PM, or in thread on my board.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 03, 2013, 11:36:32 AM
what part of yield do you not understand

perhaps it means something else in Aussie land

Fuck off, dude

Bully someone who gives a shit

You "yielded" on Sept 5th then 6weeks later were found lying aboit me to others (bullying?) THAT is what yielding means to you.
"I yield. Leave me alone so I will be able too come at you some other way"
That is you Skyblue. That is the yellow spineless cowardly dishonourable dishonest spiteful petty toad of a man you are.

What did you honestly think would happen when you tried this shit on. That I would say "he is spreading lies? Oh that joker. Can't call him yo rights because of the ceasefire he is breaking because he is still all sad."

Fuck you Slyblue. You should not have restarted your arsehattery. You did and so the public sees what you are. Not my fault I  just holding the mirror
I can feel good that not everyone sees me as you do

You are the asshat, as you started this crap

If you dont want answers (BG's thread) quit asking questions.

 somewhere between then and October 31st you restarted shit by smearing myself and my forum.



I reserve the right as a person to say what I wish when I wish to people personally, by PM, or in thread on my board.

Who gives a fat rat's crack what right you reserve. Doing this was both spreading lies and restating shit after you had yielded and ask to be left alone and that is precisely the point. You saying I restarted it is a lie because of this very reason.

See lies are easy to
Find and point out if the person makes them all the time Skyblue
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 03, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
Who the fuck are you, that I would have to or need to lie about or to
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 03, 2013, 12:14:05 PM
Who the fuck are you, that I would have to or need to lie about or to

It's really not about me that you would have to lie. You lie because you are a liar.
I would go with damaged goods as being the shorthand explanation rather than perhaps psychological train wreck. Either probably do the job
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 04, 2013, 06:52:36 AM
Skyblue is fucking hopeless. In this thread, the fail has been truly a thing of wonder.

* He admits to spreading bullshit about me and lies about it being something he believed
* He suggests I can not face off against him by myself
* He instantly "yields"
* After having "yielded" he starts a call out on me, in the members area, again yielding but daring me to shadowbox there
* After I start my own callout in the public area, he follows me there to throw little barbs whilst "yielding" some more.
* After I expose what he has done and he continues yielding
* He says that his callout was removed (Admin power?) which is fine, except that it is still there.
* He suggests that only some of what he said was in the staff areas and in PM's but that I could have a look at the public areas of his forum for the rest
* After again mentioning to Sky that his apology, implied suicidal tendencies, capitulation and beg for mercy were made, a month later he was backstabbing me, he goes a new route
- He accuses ME of bullying
- He suggests I can get Mod permissions to his forum????
- He tries to imply I am breaking the law
* Then I remembered he had PM'ed me to combine forums on 26th Sept. I refused hi and that was just before he started all the shit...
* After accusing him of doing this out of spite and a feeling of being scorned, he does not refute it.
* He does however remind us of a Racist moment from years before.Then suggests I am butthurt
* He then in response to my insisting he is a liar makes up two lies about me:
- I had denied being an aspie apparently to (someone, some years ago on a forum that can not be evidenced or referenced)
- I had lied about when he had a fight with Max????? (The post apparently had me modify this claim before it was, I dunno, noticed, written, thought?)
* Next trick was mind boggling. In a lying attempt to change reality, I said, he had restarted hostilities after his big Mea Culpa. No he stated, I started it. After insisting that the lying about me on his board WAS restarting it. He said he reserves that right. (WTF? Does that mean he DID restart it and acknowledges and accepts this BUT he reserves that right? I think so.

In all of this, it is blindingly obvious that IF he is talking shit in the members area (Yes I know when it was posted) and it was about a month after the Mea Culpa, tears and begs for mercy (asked for and given) and a week or two after I had said "No" to him about the combining of his board and mine (As my board started to grow and his slowed down), it is asking a little bit mud for us to believe (as thinking people) that his reason for making such claims without any evidence to back his propositions is due to anything BUT Petty spiteful cowardly bitchiness.

If it were not so co-incidentally timed or if there was actual evidence to merit such accusations, then maybe it could be viewed more charitably.
As a direct follow on. His claims not to know the accusations were not lies holds no water

The fact that he attacks me for bullying and tries to malign me rather than defend a position is telling, as is his consent attempts to yield but not
The fact that he tries to misplace blame for restarting hostilities but when it is evidence that he was the originator still can not appreciate the lie just told, and in the same way that of many lies he has told in this thread, and of the apparent lying nature of myself, he can not point to any credible lie of mine nor explain or defend his own.

So his character ought to be VERY apparent.
One of the things I am curious about.

He is deliberately lying, potentially exposing members to an apparent untrustworthy guy into their Mod area to snoop, he is manipulating and spiteful, he is having psychological trauma, he is medicated (heavily?), he is a racist, he is apparent unable to assume accountability for actions and he is the type of person that would believe that crying suicidal, begging for mercy and apologising are simply tactics to get you more wriggle room to get a higher position from which to launch sneak attacks.

All this considered......what the fuck is he running a forum for?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 04, 2013, 07:48:53 AM
Maybe this thread needs to speculate on Skyblue's state of mind as a means to inform his demeanour and emotional instability and immaturity, whilst noting his rather suspect personality deficiencies? (lying, spitefulness, pettiness, in ability to accept blame or accountability, projection and other shortcomings)

So what can I gauge and speculate?

He was born and raised in the Southern States of US. Raised in the 50's and 60's with a Father he had a difficult relationship with.

He went to Vietnam as a (now was it a medic or a soldier - pretty sure it was a medic) in the Vietnam War) in the Late 60's or early 70's.
God only knows what this alone could do to a young Skyblue - Difficult Father, Undiagnosed Aspie, Vietnam Vet survivor.

So how did it affect him? Well between then and now, He at some point lobbed into AFF as a older recently diagnosed (then) Aspie and was a hairdresser and confirmed bachelor. I naturally assumed he was gay. Not so because he managed to briefly date Aspiemomma. I personally have no problem with the fact that Aspiemomma appears to be in her mid to late 20's and I would generally consider a lady that young as too young for me and Skyblue is as old as my Father. Each to their own, they are consenting.

What was a bit off was him mentioning her in his bed and sleeping with her and basically her and he mutually satisfying each other sexually. Very Schoolboyish.

Of course I have seen a new side of him and it just gets worse and worse.
Paranoia and possibly PTSD and Depression, but also Persecution Complex perhaps. In short, the guy is perhaps a bit of a basket case and possibly has good reason for being a nutsy crazy person. It does not excuse him for the choices he makes or the people he chooses to lie about or bullshit about. There is a clear line between him forcing his crazy on others or him being crazy and keeping his crazy to himself. I am happy to keep my criticism of him to myself but not whilst he is being a paranoid loon.




Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 04, 2013, 06:49:53 PM
Since you continue to call me a liar and say what a bad person I am

and I know I havent lied about anything, am a pretty nice guy

and have been completely upfront with what I have/am doing.

Why dont you provide citation for your accusations.

Since folks say I cant yield and continue to reply

I guess there is no yield.



Only hidden forum is staff forum.

its pretty boring, with just instructions for the staff to follow

no conspiracies at all.

That why I could give a shit if grumpy looks, nothing to hide.

of course he would have had no permissons other than the abilitry to see all forums

except the Ladies forum.

was born in germany.

general discharge from service.

Dad and I are fine,

Mom was the problem.

Have never been married, doesnt mean a damn thing.

Yes I take meds now, so what.

Never dated AM, we were partners and resided together, so what.

current friend is 22, so what.

Am not paranoid. (where the fuck does that come from)
Maybe this thread needs to speculate on Skyblue's state of mind as a means to inform his demeanour and emotional instability and immaturity, whilst noting his rather suspect personality deficiencies? (lying, spitefulness, pettiness, in ability to accept blame or accountability, projection and other shortcomings)

So what can I gauge and speculate?

He was born and raised in the Southern States of US. Raised in the 50's and 60's with a Father he had a difficult relationship with.

He went to Vietnam as a (now was it a medic or a soldier - pretty sure it was a medic) in the Vietnam War) in the Late 60's or early 70's.
God only knows what this alone could do to a young Skyblue - Difficult Father, Undiagnosed Aspie, Vietnam Vet survivor.

So how did it affect him? Well between then and now, He at some point lobbed into AFF as a older recently diagnosed (then) Aspie and was a hairdresser and confirmed bachelor. I naturally assumed he was gay. Not so because he managed to briefly date Aspiemomma. I personally have no problem with the fact that Aspiemomma appears to be in her mid to late 20's and I would generally consider a lady that young as too young for me and Skyblue is as old as my Father. Each to their own, they are consenting.

What was a bit off was him mentioning her in his bed and sleeping with her and basically her and he mutually satisfying each other sexually. Very Schoolboyish.

Of course I have seen a new side of him and it just gets worse and worse.
Paranoia and possibly PTSD and Depression, but also Persecution Complex perhaps. In short, the guy is perhaps a bit of a basket case and possibly has good reason for being a nutsy crazy person. It does not excuse him for the choices he makes or the people he chooses to lie about or bullshit about. There is a clear line between him forcing his crazy on others or him being crazy and keeping his crazy to himself. I am happy to keep my criticism of him to myself but not whilst he is being a paranoid loon.





Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 05, 2013, 05:00:03 AM
Ah yes my mistake. Unabashedly redneck Southerner (or was that Kapkao who was unabashedly redneck, getting you two confused - but Southerner all the same) but born in Germany. I do remember now you saying that you were from Germany.

Yes I see how much of a nice guy you are and how this shines from you. Completely misunderstood no doubt. I read that 50 page thread the other day and an the way you treat everyone on there is simply appalling and a "nice guy" would know this. Even down to this revolting remark

I wonder if His girlfriend is proud of behavior like this? I'd be embarrassed if my dad was acting like that, :trollface:
well yes she does

she is sitting right here

with my hand up her night gown

and if shed quit moaning she

might laugh







sorry gotta go

we goin have sex

What decent guy would post something like this about someone he cares about? This is schoolboy stuff. This is no better than DFGL posting his cock to all and sundry, and in fact, the fact that it involves a lady we know and like, who you were supposed to care about, it says a lot of pretty bad things about you and none of it "pretty nice".

As for citing things here in respect to your lying, I have, get up to speed. You are not upfront, you are a weasel.

The only hidden forum is the staff forum. Really? OK. I will believe the lie because when I just looked there was no forum designated members only. So therefore there is ONLY the staff forum hidden and everything else is public. So I have to accept that you did not lie about this and I incorrectly accused you......excepting of course that before accepting this as truth, I took the liberty of going to the members and checking the post counts of the non-staff against the number of actual posts that show up on the Find posts function. The posts that did not come up to a guest are because they are located on hidden forums....and as the searched members are not staff, the missing posts were not hidden staff forums. Oh fucking SNAP!

You and your Dad are fine? Really? I am glad to hear that. I was under the misunderstanding that he had just died. I am glad that is not the case and that you two are fine and have a good relationship. I hope whatever ill or sickness he has recovered from.
I do recall you saying that you and he had a difficult relationship. Not uncommon, I do not have a good relationship with my Father. That said, I suspected the difficulties derived as most difficulties in early formative years rather than after childhood, as you seem to now indicate ir was only your Mother then who is or was an issue. Fleshes out the blanks better regardless.

General discharge. Hey plenty of Vets were discharged generally. Discharged and back into a world where their service was an embarrassment at best and a thing of disgust at worst. Where those that coped with what they saw and what they did and the brutality of it all had to be locked away because it was not wanted or needed anymore. That kind of shit sent a few of my Father's friends nuts. Some seemed to manage. some were shellshocked and obviously scarred, but the majority used drugs or drink to suppress such things. Such men did not settle down or have family because they were scarcely more equipped to deal with family and commitment than their shellshocked peers.
Terrible thing. Those guys now have the appearance of the hard years of drink and drugs. Those that are still around that is. Gaunt, drawn skin, and haggard appearance. Sometimes those characteristics express themselves in age in any case without having the wearer engage in such things "therapeutically". I noticed your appearance in your photo had some of this and I was taken aback. But then at the time I thought "Hey the guy is in his 60's, it is not necessarily bought on by excessive drugs and/or drink". I honestly do not know if it is or not and it is none of my business. It was idle thoughts. I was simply describing what happened to my Father's friends coming back and the injustice of the Vietnam War.

As for what is wrong dating a 22 year old? Nothing at all. They are old enough to date. Plenty of 22 year old girls at my workplace. They all date. They have nice 23 or 24 year old boyfriends. It is nice. They are nice kids and just starting to learn about serious relationships as we all did at that age. My baby brother's eldest daughter is 22. I myself do not date or sleep with girls that are that kind of age. I think once you start dating kids young enough to be your own child you have to question your own emotional growth. But that is my personal view. I do not think this changes when you are dating kids young enough to be the grandchildren of your age-peers. I think that is even more strange and maybe a little perverse. Each to their own though

You tare not paranoid? Oh Dear Lord. I guess I should not have expected you to admit it. I wonder what Semicolon would have to say about that....I mean "Chair". Do you feel more comfortable if I call him "Chair"? Sit down in the corner on the SemiColon and we can sift that train wreck of a psyche of yours. The drugs you are on,  I do not think they are helping your cognitive processes


Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 05, 2013, 06:04:18 AM
Ah yes my mistake. Unabashedly redneck Southerner (or was that Kapkao who was unabashedly redneck, getting you two confused - but Southerner all the same) but born in Germany. I do remember now you saying that you were from Germany.

Yes I see how much of a nice guy you are and how this shines from you. Completely misunderstood no doubt. I read that 50 page thread the other day and an the way you treat everyone on there is simply appalling and a "nice guy" would know this. Even down to this revolting remark

I wonder if His girlfriend is proud of behavior like this? I'd be embarrassed if my dad was acting like that, :trollface:
well yes she does

she is sitting right here

with my hand up her night gown

and if shed quit moaning she

might laugh







sorry gotta go

we goin have sex

What decent guy would post something like this about someone he cares about? This is schoolboy stuff. This is no better than DFGL posting his cock to all and sundry and in fact the fact tat it involves a lady we know and who you were supposed to care about says a lot of pretty bad things about you and none of it "pretty nice".

As for citing things here in respect to your lying, I have, get up to speed. You are not upfront, you are a weasel.

The only hidden forum is the staff forum. Really? OK. I will believe the lie because when I just looked there was no forum designated members only. So therefore there is ONLY the staff forum hidden and everything else is public. So I have to accept that you did not lie about this and I incorrectly accused you......excepting of course that before accepting this as truth, I took the liberty of going to the members and checking the post counts of the non-staff against the number of actual posts that show up on the Find posts function. The posts that did not come up to a guest are because they are located on hidden forums and as they are not staff, it is not hidden staff forums. Oh fucking SNAP!

You and your Dad are fine? Really? I am glad to hear that. I was under the misunderstanding that he had just died. I am glad that is not the case and that you two are fine and have a good relationship. I hope whatever ill or sickness he has recovered from.
I do recall you saying that you and he had a difficult relationship. Not uncommon, I do not have a good relationship with my Father. That said, I suspected the difficulties derived as most difficulties in early formative years rather than after childhood, as you seem to now indicate ir was only your Mother then who is or was an issue. Fleshes out the blanks better regardless.

General discharge. Hey plenty of Vets were discharged generally. Discharged and back into a world where their service was an embarrassment at best and a thing of disgust at worst. Where those that coped with what they saw and what they did and the brutality of it all had to be locked away because it was not wanted or needed anymore. That kind of shit sent a few of my Father's friends nuts. Some seemed to manage. some were shellshocked and obviously scarred but the majority used drugs or drink to suppress such things. Such men did not settle down or have family because they were scarcely more equipped to deal with family and commitment than their shellshocked peers.
Terrible thing. Those guys now have the appearance of the hard years of drink and drugs. Those that are still around that is. Gaunt, drawn skin, and haggard appearance. Sometimes those characteristics express themselves in age in any case without having the wearer engage in such things "therapeutically". I noticed your appearance in your photo had some of this and I was taken aback. But then at the time I thought "Hey the guy is in his 60's, it is not necessarily bought on by excessive drugs and/or drink". I honestly do not know if it is or not and it is none of my business. It was idle thoughts. I was simply describing what happened to my Father's friends coming back and the injustice of the Vietnam War.

As for what is wrong dating a 22 year old? Nothing at all. They are old enough to date. Plenty of 22 year old girls at my workplace. They all date. They have nice 23 or 24 year old boyfriends. It is nice. They are nice kids and just starting to learn about serious relationships as we all did at that age. My baby brother's eldest daughter is 22. I myself do not date or sleep with girls that are that kind of age. I think once you start dating kids young enough to be your own child you have to question your own emotional growth. But that is my personal view. I do not think this changes when you are dating kids young enough to be the grandchildren of your age-peers. I thin that is even more strange and maybe a little perverse. Each to their own though

You tare not paranoid? Oh Dear Lord. I guess I should not have expected you to admit it. I wonder what Semicolon would have to say about that....I mean hair. Do you feel more comfortable if I call him Chair? Sit down in the corner on the SemiColon and we can sift that train wreck of a psyche of yours. The drugs you are on? I do not think they are helping your cognitive processes
well well what are we talking about now

more shit you dont know anything about

most of the military shit was gone over in callout with butterflies

that was richard I was talking to when speaking of AM, she was sitting right beside me and thought it was funny as hell.

and no I wasnt actually doing that with her

sorry I cant read most of the rest of your wall of text bullshit

wasnt this about your forum originally and you being butthurt about something

you pay far to much attention to moi.

Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 05, 2013, 06:08:47 AM
Ah yes my mistake. Unabashedly redneck Southerner (or was that Kapkao who was unabashedly redneck, getting you two confused - but Southerner all the same) but born in Germany. I do remember now you saying that you were from Germany.

Yes I see how much of a nice guy you are and how this shines from you. Completely misunderstood no doubt. I read that 50 page thread the other day and an the way you treat everyone on there is simply appalling and a "nice guy" would know this. Even down to this revolting remark

I wonder if His girlfriend is proud of behavior like this? I'd be embarrassed if my dad was acting like that, :trollface:
well yes she does

she is sitting right here

with my hand up her night gown

and if shed quit moaning she

might laugh







sorry gotta go

we goin have sex

What decent guy would post something like this about someone he cares about? This is schoolboy stuff. This is no better than DFGL posting his cock to all and sundry and in fact the fact tat it involves a lady we know and who you were supposed to care about says a lot of pretty bad things about you and none of it "pretty nice".

As for citing things here in respect to your lying, I have, get up to speed. You are not upfront, you are a weasel.

The only hidden forum is the staff forum. Really? OK. I will believe the lie because when I just looked there was no forum designated members only. So therefore there is ONLY the staff forum hidden and everything else is public. So I have to accept that you did not lie about this and I incorrectly accused you......excepting of course that before accepting this as truth, I took the liberty of going to the members and checking the post counts of the non-staff against the number of actual posts that show up on the Find posts function. The posts that did not come up to a guest are because they are located on hidden forums and as they are not staff, it is not hidden staff forums. Oh fucking SNAP!

You and your Dad are fine? Really? I am glad to hear that. I was under the misunderstanding that he had just died. I am glad that is not the case and that you two are fine and have a good relationship. I hope whatever ill or sickness he has recovered from.
I do recall you saying that you and he had a difficult relationship. Not uncommon, I do not have a good relationship with my Father. That said, I suspected the difficulties derived as most difficulties in early formative years rather than after childhood, as you seem to now indicate ir was only your Mother then who is or was an issue. Fleshes out the blanks better regardless.

General discharge. Hey plenty of Vets were discharged generally. Discharged and back into a world where their service was an embarrassment at best and a thing of disgust at worst. Where those that coped with what they saw and what they did and the brutality of it all had to be locked away because it was not wanted or needed anymore. That kind of shit sent a few of my Father's friends nuts. Some seemed to manage. some were shellshocked and obviously scarred but the majority used drugs or drink to suppress such things. Such men did not settle down or have family because they were scarcely more equipped to deal with family and commitment than their shellshocked peers.
Terrible thing. Those guys now have the appearance of the hard years of drink and drugs. Those that are still around that is. Gaunt, drawn skin, and haggard appearance. Sometimes those characteristics express themselves in age in any case without having the wearer engage in such things "therapeutically". I noticed your appearance in your photo had some of this and I was taken aback. But then at the time I thought "Hey the guy is in his 60's, it is not necessarily bought on by excessive drugs and/or drink". I honestly do not know if it is or not and it is none of my business. It was idle thoughts. I was simply describing what happened to my Father's friends coming back and the injustice of the Vietnam War.

As for what is wrong dating a 22 year old? Nothing at all. They are old enough to date. Plenty of 22 year old girls at my workplace. They all date. They have nice 23 or 24 year old boyfriends. It is nice. They are nice kids and just starting to learn about serious relationships as we all did at that age. My baby brother's eldest daughter is 22. I myself do not date or sleep with girls that are that kind of age. I think once you start dating kids young enough to be your own child you have to question your own emotional growth. But that is my personal view. I do not think this changes when you are dating kids young enough to be the grandchildren of your age-peers. I thin that is even more strange and maybe a little perverse. Each to their own though

You tare not paranoid? Oh Dear Lord. I guess I should not have expected you to admit it. I wonder what Semicolon would have to say about that....I mean hair. Do you feel more comfortable if I call him Chair? Sit down in the corner on the SemiColon and we can sift that train wreck of a psyche of yours. The drugs you are on? I do not think they are helping your cognitive processes
well well what are we talking about now

more shit you dont know anything about

most of the military shit was gone over in callout with butterflies

that was richard I was talking to when speaking of AM, she was sitting right beside me and thought it was funny as hell.

and no I wasnt actually doing that with her

sorry I cant read most of the rest of your wall of text bullshit

wasnt this about your forum originally and you being butthurt about something

you pay far to much attention to moi.

No it wasn't.

It was about you lying and spreading lies around because I would not combine your forums because you were butthurt and spiteful after having a month before, turned into a grovelling apologetic and mercy begging, crying mess who we all took pity on and left alone.

In a nutshell.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 05, 2013, 06:45:06 AM
Ah yes my mistake. Unabashedly redneck Southerner (or was that Kapkao who was unabashedly redneck, getting you two confused - but Southerner all the same) but born in Germany. I do remember now you saying that you were from Germany.

Yes I see how much of a nice guy you are and how this shines from you. Completely misunderstood no doubt. I read that 50 page thread the other day and an the way you treat everyone on there is simply appalling and a "nice guy" would know this. Even down to this revolting remark

I wonder if His girlfriend is proud of behavior like this? I'd be embarrassed if my dad was acting like that, :trollface:
well yes she does

she is sitting right here

with my hand up her night gown

and if shed quit moaning she

might laugh







sorry gotta go

we goin have sex

What decent guy would post something like this about someone he cares about? This is schoolboy stuff. This is no better than DFGL posting his cock to all and sundry and in fact the fact tat it involves a lady we know and who you were supposed to care about says a lot of pretty bad things about you and none of it "pretty nice".

As for citing things here in respect to your lying, I have, get up to speed. You are not upfront, you are a weasel.

The only hidden forum is the staff forum. Really? OK. I will believe the lie because when I just looked there was no forum designated members only. So therefore there is ONLY the staff forum hidden and everything else is public. So I have to accept that you did not lie about this and I incorrectly accused you......excepting of course that before accepting this as truth, I took the liberty of going to the members and checking the post counts of the non-staff against the number of actual posts that show up on the Find posts function. The posts that did not come up to a guest are because they are located on hidden forums and as they are not staff, it is not hidden staff forums. Oh fucking SNAP!

You and your Dad are fine? Really? I am glad to hear that. I was under the misunderstanding that he had just died. I am glad that is not the case and that you two are fine and have a good relationship. I hope whatever ill or sickness he has recovered from.
I do recall you saying that you and he had a difficult relationship. Not uncommon, I do not have a good relationship with my Father. That said, I suspected the difficulties derived as most difficulties in early formative years rather than after childhood, as you seem to now indicate ir was only your Mother then who is or was an issue. Fleshes out the blanks better regardless.

General discharge. Hey plenty of Vets were discharged generally. Discharged and back into a world where their service was an embarrassment at best and a thing of disgust at worst. Where those that coped with what they saw and what they did and the brutality of it all had to be locked away because it was not wanted or needed anymore. That kind of shit sent a few of my Father's friends nuts. Some seemed to manage. some were shellshocked and obviously scarred but the majority used drugs or drink to suppress such things. Such men did not settle down or have family because they were scarcely more equipped to deal with family and commitment than their shellshocked peers.
Terrible thing. Those guys now have the appearance of the hard years of drink and drugs. Those that are still around that is. Gaunt, drawn skin, and haggard appearance. Sometimes those characteristics express themselves in age in any case without having the wearer engage in such things "therapeutically". I noticed your appearance in your photo had some of this and I was taken aback. But then at the time I thought "Hey the guy is in his 60's, it is not necessarily bought on by excessive drugs and/or drink". I honestly do not know if it is or not and it is none of my business. It was idle thoughts. I was simply describing what happened to my Father's friends coming back and the injustice of the Vietnam War.

As for what is wrong dating a 22 year old? Nothing at all. They are old enough to date. Plenty of 22 year old girls at my workplace. They all date. They have nice 23 or 24 year old boyfriends. It is nice. They are nice kids and just starting to learn about serious relationships as we all did at that age. My baby brother's eldest daughter is 22. I myself do not date or sleep with girls that are that kind of age. I think once you start dating kids young enough to be your own child you have to question your own emotional growth. But that is my personal view. I do not think this changes when you are dating kids young enough to be the grandchildren of your age-peers. I thin that is even more strange and maybe a little perverse. Each to their own though

You tare not paranoid? Oh Dear Lord. I guess I should not have expected you to admit it. I wonder what Semicolon would have to say about that....I mean hair. Do you feel more comfortable if I call him Chair? Sit down in the corner on the SemiColon and we can sift that train wreck of a psyche of yours. The drugs you are on? I do not think they are helping your cognitive processes
well well what are we talking about now

more shit you dont know anything about

most of the military shit was gone over in callout with butterflies

that was richard I was talking to when speaking of AM, she was sitting right beside me and thought it was funny as hell.

and no I wasnt actually doing that with her

sorry I cant read most of the rest of your wall of text bullshit

wasnt this about your forum originally and you being butthurt about something

you pay far to much attention to moi.

No it wasn't.

It was about you lying and spreading lies around because I would not combine your forums because you were butthurt and spiteful after having a month before, turned into a grovelling apologetic and mercy begging, crying mess who we all took pity on and left alone.

In a nutshell.
my, my. what an ego you have
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 05, 2013, 08:28:53 AM
well well what are we talking about now

more shit you dont know anything about

most of the military shit was gone over in callout with butterflies

that was richard I was talking to when speaking of AM, she was sitting right beside me and thought it was funny as hell.

and no I wasnt actually doing that with her

sorry I cant read most of the rest of your wall of text bullshit

wasnt this about your forum originally and you being butthurt about something

you pay far to much attention to moi.

No it wasn't.

It was about you lying and spreading lies around because I would not combine your forums because you were butthurt and spiteful after having a month before, turned into a grovelling apologetic and mercy begging, crying mess who we all took pity on and left alone.

In a nutshell.
my, my. what an ego you have

Really?

I tell you what. It may just be an ego, you may be right. It may well be just be NPD and have no basis.
Of course if I back up all the baseless lies that I have referenced you making in this thread. Then there may be something in what I say and not just ego

Furthermore if I show your  "grovelling apologetic and mercy begging, crying mess" and your admissions to spreading baseless accusations and post the PM showing "I would not combine your forums" this will kind of highlight that your are not the "pretty nice guy" you talk yourself up as but rather the "butthurt and spiteful" worm, I show you to be. That would be logic rather than ego.

Pick which one you want me to post up first.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 05, 2013, 09:50:14 AM
well well what are we talking about now

more shit you dont know anything about

most of the military shit was gone over in callout with butterflies

that was richard I was talking to when speaking of AM, she was sitting right beside me and thought it was funny as hell.

and no I wasnt actually doing that with her

sorry I cant read most of the rest of your wall of text bullshit

wasnt this about your forum originally and you being butthurt about something

you pay far to much attention to moi.

No it wasn't.

It was about you lying and spreading lies around because I would not combine your forums because you were butthurt and spiteful after having a month before, turned into a grovelling apologetic and mercy begging, crying mess who we all took pity on and left alone.

In a nutshell.
my, my. what an ego you have

Really?

I tell you what. It may just be an ego, you may be right. It may well be just be NPD and have no basis.
Of course if I back up all the baseless lies that I have referenced you making in this thread. Then there may be something in what I say and not just ego

Furthermore if I show your  "grovelling apologetic and mercy begging, crying mess" and your admissions to spreading baseless accusations and post the PM showing "I would not combine your forums" this will kind of highlight that your are not the "pretty nice guy" you talk yourself up as but rather the "butthurt and spiteful" worm, I show you to be. That would be logic rather than ego.

Pick which one you want me to post up first.
why not massage your prostrate with all of it
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 05, 2013, 10:08:17 AM
Did you think that, that made sense? Massage my prostrate with intangible words on the screen?

(http://religionculturesociety.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/vlcsnap-2011-11-29-17h57m39.png)

You didn't take the red one did you?


Its early morning. I will do option two first and air the Pm for the first time just so we see that offer and the rebuke and factor that between that time (Sept 26) where you were matey with me and Oct 31 when you confesses to smearing me and the forum, we have a bit of some context to whether you are a backstabbing dishonest little liar. It does not prove it beyond a measure of a doubt but this is not court. Reasonable reading of the situation would lead most reasonable people to the conclusion that I come to.

Then I will show your lies.

Refute them but all means. I do not think you really have leg to stand on.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 05, 2013, 03:03:53 PM
In other words stick your words and opinion up your ass

Al Swearengen you aint

get rid of the avatar


pacifier would suit you better
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 05, 2013, 03:51:50 PM
Your are getting your orifices confused. Ass =\= pacifier. But do not be alarmed you have been talking out of your arse for a while. Such follow on results are entirely expected
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 05, 2013, 04:24:53 PM
Your are getting your orifices confused. Ass =\= pacifier. But do not be alarmed you have been talking out of your arse for a while. Such follow on results are entirely expected
Nu-uh....you are projecting
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 05, 2013, 04:42:37 PM

my, my. what an ego you have

Really?

I tell you what. It may just be an ego, you may be right. It may well be just be NPD and have no basis.
Of course if I back up all the baseless lies that I have referenced you making in this thread. Then there may be something in what I say and not just ego

Furthermore if I show your  "grovelling apologetic and mercy begging, crying mess" and your admissions to spreading baseless accusations and post the PM showing "I would not combine your forums" this will kind of highlight that your are not the "pretty nice guy" you talk yourself up as but rather the "butthurt and spiteful" worm, I show you to be. That would be logic rather than ego.

Pick which one you want me to post up first.

"grovelling apologetic and mercy begging, crying mess"

I am totally responsible for everything

that has happened here and anywhere else in my life


I apologies to everyone

concerned with this matter


and with all other matters

if I could die

I would

I cannot take it any longer

apologies to all

The resolution and deciding to leave you along and let you do your own thing

Nothing has changed? Mate, it looks like Skyblue is crestfallen and miserable, he has backed away from a more hands on role, AspieMomma perhaps not as hands on and Cynara having a more hands on frontline role. That sounds like big changes. Skyblue apologising and wanting to distance himself from what was said, seems like a change.

I think the three above are having a hard time. Probably best letting these questions go a bit. I have a few gripes about the start of his forum and mine. But I honestly think that there can not be enough Autism Activism and Advocacy sites. I don't know how Skyblue will go long term but I actually would not mind giving him the best chance to do so. I think it would be awesome for a successful Activism site to come out of all of this and in spite of all of this. If he can do this then kudos to him and I would support that. I just think letting it a go for now may give it best chance and pursuing things may jeopardise that chance.

Not saying the question is good, bad or indifferent or you ate good, bad or indifferent asking.  Just would love to see this thread buried.

So far this is not ego, it is rather public knowledge

The question is "At this point, were you well disposed to me, to want to talk shit about me or did you see me a an ally or a possible tool?


Hey,

Isnt it time we combined boards

I would suggest a user group called Fellows or something similar


this group would have their own Categories and forums not seen  by the ordinary

registered users  or anyone who happened to be in the parent or youth forum

secret forums 

of course the Fellows would be able to post anywhere but the youth and parent forums

two forums in one

Larry

No, Skyblue there was only supposed to be one board, yours. Now I have spent $400 and had to get a new board up and I have. It is down at present but I expect it up shortly.

As you know I would have been happy supporting your board and building it up and now, unfortunately that ship has sailed.

I wish you and your board well of course, always have and I am sure it will go on to bigger and better things. Your plans are not my plans but I no doubt you have big plans for your board as I do mine.

You do not like being knocked back do you Skyblue? This is the reason you a week or two later went from "matey" in the PM to stating on your site that you were thinking of closing the board and that I was seeking to termite you and was talking shit about you.

It has nothing to do with you believing otherwise. As admitted by you here.




Now on the subject of honesty, I have hears a rumour from a number of surprising sources that you have been telling your members in the members area of your forum that I am wanting you to fail and actively promoting this with others and that is my intent. Is that truth or am I subject to many lies from many people?
If it is true, why are you lying about me on your forum?

have mentioned it several times. So yes it is true.

I do not consider my self to be spreading false truths.   As we are not a youth or kiddie forum as you have been spreading around. And I do not give away modships and admin status. Just to lure people from a forum as you have done to AFN

If you accuse me of lying, you best have some way to prove it.

Just like I cant prove what I say, you cant prove that you havent.

If you are trying to start shit with me, I will say my meds help me to not give a fuck either way, about how you feel........

My, my, my what a big ego I have? Unless that is your shorthand for, "Oh shit you have me to rights in this so I will say something stupid and condescending in my defense" I think you are dead wrong and I think anyone look at the dates and what was said would likely agree that your reason for bad-mouthing had far more to do with petty spitefulness (and that you did it behind closed door and not transparently, was cowardly too) not to do with you not believing thew things that you saw no examples of as "false truths"

You were lying cause you were knocked back from what you wanted to do. Perhaps there was even a thought to make amends for the jettisoning me from helping you build your forum. Maybe you simply wanted my resources and membership, Whatever reason you hated me saying no and your attitude slipped out of "matey" back to the shithead you were PRIOR to your grovelling apology
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 05, 2013, 04:47:51 PM
The lies are starting to pile up so I think we need to document them and highlight (for laughs) the ones I have exposed as verifiable false.

I will do this when I get back from work tonight. 
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 05, 2013, 05:16:06 PM
can you repeat that

didnt hear you
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 05, 2013, 05:29:38 PM
No not really Skyblue. Not to humour you. Not to dance to your beat. Not to provide a punchline to a poorly told joke.

This is not for your benefit and you are not in control of what's going on. Your influence extended only as far as you deciding to smear my forum on the basis of me not combining boards with you. Not that you had much influence then, I did knock you back. So maybe it extended only as far as up to you becoming a complete wanker just before your grovelling apology.

Hope that helps
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 05, 2013, 05:39:22 PM
Well grumpy

Fuck you , I am done with your bullshit

As this is nothing but a smear campaign

and has no basis in reality

Later
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: BlueGriffyn on November 05, 2013, 09:54:49 PM
P.S. I yield.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 06, 2013, 07:41:17 AM
Well grumpy

Fuck you , I am done with your bullshit

Later

Let you in on a secret Sky, you said from the outset, that you yield and would not respond and I could "shadowbox". I responded anyhow. Have a bit of a think and tell me how invested I was and am in you responding or not. So it does not really matter that much whether you are done or not does it? It does not matter if you think that what I said is bullshit or not, does it?

What is your value here? About the same level of your credibility and your honesty and your control over the callout. Not a lot.

So now onto showing your lies, misrepresentations and dishonesty

Plenty of them.



Now on the subject of honesty, I have hears a rumour from a number of surprising sources that you have been telling your members in the members area of your forum that I am wanting you to fail and actively promoting this with others and that is my intent. Is that truth or am I subject to many lies from many people?
If it is true, why are you lying about me on your forum?
have mentioned it several times. So yes it is true[/u].

I do not consider my self to be spreading false truths. (but here are a couple that I said that I had no evidence to substantiate the claims I made as statements of fact)   As we are not a youth or kiddie forum as you have been spreading around. And I do not give away modships and admin status. Just to lure people from a forum as you have done to AFN

If you accuse me of lying (make statement of fact against my forum that he has no evidence to substantiate IS lying if it is untrue), you best have some way to prove it (No this is this bit where HE shows how he came to that conclusion and where was the evidence.)

Just like I cant prove what I say, you cant prove that you havent. (But I make a damn good case to state that this was bought on through my refuse to combine forums.)

But to be clear here is the things you will have to defend:

the "fact" that I have been spreading around that I want you to fail.
the "fact' that I have been trying to encourage your forum to fail
the 'fact" that I have at some stage referred to your forum as a kiddie forum
the "fact" that I use modships to lure people away from your forum.


This is complete dishonesty and lies here

I am totally responsible for everything

that has happened here and anywhere else in my life


I apologies to everyone

concerned with this matter



if I could die

I would


I cannot take it any longer

apologies to all

Within 3 weeks he was trying to buddy up to me to get me to combine boards and when I said "No" he started being a little prick and lying about my intentions and my forum (and he has admitted to it) and a couple weeks after than was posting shit about me in the members areas of his forum and by PM to his members (that he has again admitted to)

The apologies were a lie for that reason as was his pretending to claim responsibility for being a prick - not convincing when you go back into prick mode as soon as the foot is taken off your throat

I pointed out that this "I am suicidal" trick is pretty low and I was not the first time he has pulled it out to get breathing space. The first time was in AFF. It was in 2008 (Thanks to another admission) and he likely thought no one would remember it from 5 years ago.


How many times did he yield? But DID he yield? Yes in the same way he 'Yielded" above with the "suicidal plea".


Self Dx'ed Aspies.  Who are really nothing more than Aspie bashers, dressed in costume.

Dont want to hear no Dunc's law shit

You know you have done nothing but lie for the last 5 years

I have asked him to try to show my lying and expose me. I thought his attempts may be amusing. (You'll note I have no issue doing that here in this post about him. "Nothing but lie" - think about it. how bloody easy would it be to expose an obvious liar like that. I mean some of you guys have known me 7 years or so. A lot of you have some critical things to say about me. More than a little of it is completely fair. But lying solid for 5 years. That shit would be easy to expose - dead easy. He can not even make a reasonable start.


Self-diagnosed Aspie? Nope. I have been pretty upfront about this.I was diagnosed around the same time as my son when he was 4.
I have never refuted this. Max never pretended he was Aspie. His boyfriend Doctorboy is Aspie. max is ADHD and a total prick like Sky
:P


Dont want to hear shit about AFN not being activist

We provide the greatest Activism, which is support for our fellow Autist

Big claim and one you can not credibly make yet. Maybe in time you will. It would be great...but I doubt it will come to pass


My complaining about grumpy has beeen 'going on since
AFN started

It is not something new

In fact other than a couple of comments online
has not been mentioned much


So grumpy's feelings that this is something new is incorrect
and could be construed as paranoia on his part


Actually the reason this was bought to my attention is that members on your site let me know the moment you put shit up about me and what it said and that it was in a members par of the board where i could not see it. It was not at the start of the forum and this story is not consistent with the PM you sent when you wanted to combine forum....stop lying


As said before I dont care how he feels

dont have much interest in him and his forum

y

....and yet you sought me out to combine forums and choose to smear me....sure lie a little, you will feel better

Actually as late as 2008 you stated on AFF that you were not DX'ed. When someone mentioned it , the next week you became DX'ed

If you deny this, you are lying.

And yes you did say 2010 for the Max  debacle, you modified the post that was in.

What possible reason would I have to deny it? I don't know whether you honestly believe I would or have or whether you are getting confused with someone else or whether your memory is compromised by drug use. It is not true and i am inclined to say you are just lying to lie.

I did not modify a year in or our of a post concerning Max the  fucking Bear. This is a lie. A pointless and insignificant one and I have no idea why you would have chosen to make it? Compulsion?


I can feel good that not everyone sees me as you do

You are the asshat, as you started this crap

If you dont want answers (BG's thread) quit asking questions.

 somewhere between then and October 31st you restarted shit by smearing myself and my forum.

I reserve the right as a person to say what I wish when I wish to people personally, by PM, or in thread on my board.

Who gives a fat rat's crack what right you reserve. Doing this was both spreading lies and restating shit after you had yielded and ask to be left alone and that is precisely the point. You saying I restarted it is a lie because of this very reason.

See lies are easy to
Find and point out if the person makes them all the time Skyblue

Fuck me. This is such a great example of the lying in action. He lies straight out. When pulled up on it, no explanation or "Ooopppss", yet a post or two later he will deny he has lied here ever. What do you all make of this inherent dishonest?


Only hidden forum is staff forum.

its pretty boring, with just instructions for the staff to follow

no conspiracies at all.

That why I could give a shit if grumpy looks, nothing to hide.

of course he would have had no permissons other than the abilitry to see all forums

except the Ladies forum.

The only hidden forum is the staff forum. Really? OK. I will believe the lie because when I just looked there was no forum designated members only. So therefore there is ONLY the staff forum hidden and everything else is public. So I have to accept that you did not lie about this and I incorrectly accused you......excepting of course that before accepting this as truth, I took the liberty of going to the members and checking the post counts of the non-staff against the number of actual posts that show up on the Find posts function. The posts that did not come up to a guest are because they are located on hidden forums....and as the searched members are not staff, the missing posts were not hidden staff forums. Oh fucking SNAP!

This was gold. Try it yourself. Go to a member. Look how many posts they have on the forum. "Find their posts and times work out the difference between their total postcount and the posts evidenced under their Find posts function. Shit don't add up BECAUSE Sky KNOWS their posts are on a members only forum.
Deliberate lie


Well grumpy

Fuck you , I am done with your bullshit

As this is nothing but a smear campaign

and has no basis in realit
y

Later

Projecting again. This has a lot of basis in reality and i have shown this rather comprehensively. Does it smear you? Bad question? Does it undeservedly smear you? No. :)
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 07, 2013, 03:03:40 AM
Skyblue. I think we are just about done with this. There was no reality in which trying to smear me and my board was not going to have me respond in kind. You may think yourself a "pretty nice guy" but you are no more "pretty nice guy" than you are the "janitor" of your site or the "resident silverback" here.

You are a petty, insecure, paranoid, spiteful, lying, sneaky little old man.  This is what I have had no trouble showing here. Yes it does smear. It smear the persona that you are trying to project to us, but I do not think it smears the aspects of your personality that you would rather not want to share. It highlights them.

This is in public space and will remain as a testament to your want to smear me.

Don't try that shit again. I will be happy to start doing the things you accuse me of or worse if you really want to be a complete prick. It really does not have to be that way. I was thinking previously that down the track the two boards may be able to work on various projects and/or network. Well that is not going to happen. I would not imagine I will ever be induced to support you again.

I am happy for you to do your own thing and I will do my thing. Shit on me and expect I will retaliate.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: 'andersom' on November 07, 2013, 05:17:42 AM
Shit on me and expect I will retaliate.


* trying, trying, no,.... can't resist. *

The Story of the Little Mole... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1EMZGFHu_Y#)
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: P7PSP on November 07, 2013, 06:22:37 AM
Shit on me and expect I will retaliate.


* trying, trying, no,.... can't resist. *

The Story of the Little Mole... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1EMZGFHu_Y#)
:lol1: Did you enjoy your cameo on the cartoon Hykie?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: 'andersom' on November 07, 2013, 06:45:11 AM
Shit on me and expect I will retaliate.


* trying, trying, no,.... can't resist. *

The Story of the Little Mole... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1EMZGFHu_Y#)
:lol1: Did you enjoy your cameo on the cartoon Hykie?

Yes, I do enjoy that cow.
And just imagine what it will be like, would I decide to retaliate one day.  :hyke:

The book about the little mole is one of the books most toddlers/kindergarten kids know by heart in the Netherlands. Awesome book.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 07, 2013, 07:18:07 AM
Shit on me and expect I will retaliate.


* trying, trying, no,.... can't resist. *

The Story of the Little Mole... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1EMZGFHu_Y#)

  What a sweet-faced, wise, patient cow that is.  Cows are great.  :hug:
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: 'andersom' on November 07, 2013, 07:19:45 AM
Shit on me and expect I will retaliate.


* trying, trying, no,.... can't resist. *

The Story of the Little Mole... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1EMZGFHu_Y#)

  What a sweet-faced, wise, patient cow that is.  Cows are great.  :hug:

I think she is rolling her eyes, the moment the little mole asks her if it is her doing, on his head.  ::) :hyke: :laugh:
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 09, 2013, 10:32:56 PM
Hey Al,

 How well do you think our lttle argument ploy did?

Did it garner you any new customers errrr members?

I kinda think it might of turned more folks off than anything.

Anyways, next time I get to call you the liar and silly little man.

We will see how it works from that angle.

Your angle sure as fuck, didnt accomplish much.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 09, 2013, 10:57:29 PM
Hey Al,

 How well do you think our lttle argument ploy did?

Did it garner you any new customers errrr members?

I kinda think it might of turned more folks off than anything.

Anyways, next time I get to call you the liar and silly little man.

We will see how it works from that angle.

Your angle sure as fuck, didnt accomplish much.

Was it a ploy and was I retrying to get any more customers? Well, no in both instances.

You can call me that now for all I care. Best you back your claims though, just like I did.

I think rather than project around and cast blame away from yourself or look for any weird justification "angle", be a man. Should really not be hard. You should have had about 45 years of experience by now.

How's your site? You been having troubles? Notice it is down a bit like mine was around when you asked to combine boards.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 09, 2013, 11:12:29 PM
Son, you didnt prove a goddamned thing

you just ran your mouth

Pretty sure the intelligent would know

you were talking out of your ass.

Nothing wrong with AFN

all that is on the webhost.

I look at your stats too

You had 20 members in 48 hours.

Gee thats just spiffy, aint it.

Son, if you going to keep telling your lies,

you should come look me in the eye

when you say 'em.
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 10, 2013, 01:54:33 AM
Son, you didnt prove a goddamned thing

you just ran your mouth

Pretty sure the intelligent would know

you were talking out of your ass.

Nothing wrong with AFN

all that is on the webhost.

I look at your stats too

You had 20 members in 48 hours.

Gee thats just spiffy, aint it.

Son, if you going to keep telling your lies,

you should come look me in the eye

when you say 'em.

OK put up or shut up old man. You keep making the claims of me lying and implying that I need to keep making lies and so on.
Here is your chance. List them, name them, try to shame me.

As for your trying to imply that I am cowardly for not saying it to  your face, online this is as close as I can come to doing exactly that. Were I within seeing distance of you, I would have no trouble coming up and telling you straight to your facer. Pretty weak of you to imply otherwise.

You calling me "son" is a bit weak too. I have no paternal relationship with my own Father, much less some internet nobody. So as a rebuke it doesn't mean a lot. But sillier than that, calling me "son" too is sillier for other reasons. If you were disagreeing with your current girlfriend, under the same circumstances you would not think to use the terminology "granddaughter", would you? So it may actually be a bit less awkward for you to just drop it. You are not looking like anything but an idiot in doing so.

20 members you say? I do not question the figure but I would imagine it is just as likely the general spammers and the like and maybe a few from another forum I have just started posting on.

Heads up "spiffy" has not been used since the 1950's. May get wit the times or at least use the  term "groovy".

The intelligent probably would not care to read a callout of this nature BUT if they do, they will see I made a damn fine case to you being a lying spiteful petty old man. You are these things as far as I can see but like to show another side of you. I do not expect you would man up to the truth. I did not expect it from the get go. That is why I continued past you saying I could shadowbox and you would let me go ahead.

You still fail Sky. You have no fucking clue.

On a complete unrelated topic, when does Dementia normally strike members older folk?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: skyblue1 on November 10, 2013, 08:05:26 PM
* in related news scientists have discovered the gene for assholes *
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: BlueGriffyn on November 10, 2013, 08:31:04 PM
Son, you didnt prove a goddamned thing

you just ran your mouth

Pretty sure the intelligent would know

you were talking out of your ass.

Nothing wrong with AFN

all that is on the webhost.

I look at your stats too

You had 20 members in 48 hours.

Gee thats just spiffy, aint it.

Son, if you going to keep telling your lies,

you should come look me in the eye

when you say 'em.

That is spiffy indeed, old chap. He couldn't possibly be making all these sockpuppets himself, could he?
Title: Re: Al vs Skyblue (let's have this aired publicly)
Post by: BlueGriffyn on November 10, 2013, 08:33:07 PM
Have you looked out your window in the past ten minutes? I'm sure I saw that tree rustling a second ago...