Sort of depressing.:agreed:
For me it's less interesting as ... there isn't much drama
:needpics:For me it's less interesting as ... there isn't much drama
I'm trying my very hardest you know :M
:needpics:For me it's less interesting as ... there isn't much drama
I'm trying my very hardest you know :M
^
And that's proof of how much of a hard trying tough guy you are?
:smarty:
^
And that's proof of how much of a hard trying tough guy you are?
:smarty:
I don't see the correlation between "hard trying" and "tough". To be honest, that comment was a joke. I'm not trying particularly hard, I don't really have the time.
I think it is best not to try. There will be drama on here again, i feel sure.
Probably just a quiet spell. I can always make some more posts about mirror sex and submissive sex? Or about my insatiable desire for a damn good rodgering? >:D
Maybe to get more young people, the old farts have to be less old-farty. Last drama I remember was about people mistaking Odeon for their daddy and getting all anti-authority. It's no fun to hang around a place where it feels like your parents are hanging around too.
:oldman: Maybe that's 'cause you're one of them. :angel::lol1: I suppose there are a lot of us who are in the parental range
Maybe to get more young people, the old farts have to be less old-farty. Last drama I remember was about people mistaking Odeon for their daddy and getting all anti-authority. It's no fun to hang around a place where it feels like your parents are hanging around too.
:oldman: Maybe that's 'cause you're one of them. :angel:
:oldman: Maybe that's 'cause you're one of them. :angel:
Bullshit! To hell with me being old. I mean We can't bust heads like we used to. But we have our ways. One trick is to tell stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m'shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt. Which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
I think we could do with a few more people here. But I don't know how we can get them.
In my day you'd not dare to suggest such a thing. How old are you, anyway? :P
^
And that's proof of how much of a hard trying tough guy you are?
:smarty:
I don't see the correlation between "hard trying" and "tough". To be honest, that comment was a joke. I'm not trying particularly hard, I don't really have the time.
^
And that's proof of how much of a hard trying tough guy you are?
:smarty:
I don't see the correlation between "hard trying" and "tough". To be honest, that comment was a joke. I'm not trying particularly hard, I don't really have the time.
Sweety, I was joking too, and trying to boost the general postcount, and my postcount in particular.
We can't actually post anything about Intensity at WP. It was probably why I got banned before (though I am not now).
There is always AFF or Spectrumites, I am not a member at either of those though.
I think we could do with a few more people here. But I don't know how we can get them.
In my day you'd not dare to suggest such a thing. How old are you, anyway? :P
Hm, whose day is it now?
Fortes este! Fortes Fortuna iuvat! :viking:
We should start Latin courses here, methinks! :orly:
We can't actually post anything about Intensity at WP. It was probably why I got banned before (though I am not now).
There is always AFF or Spectrumites, I am not a member at either of those though.
Maybe part of the problem is there are too damn many autistics here. Can't we attract some general assholes without excuses?
How about plain old stupid people? :P
How about plain old stupid people? :P
If we let in Sol, General Razorbeard and Buttcoffee again, it'd be more interesting :autism:Well, at least that would fulfil Adam's wish for more younger people.
If we let in Sol, General Razorbeard and Buttcoffee again, it'd be more interesting :autism:
If we let in Sol, General Razorbeard and Buttcoffee again, it'd be more interesting :autism:Well, at least that would fulfil Adam's wish for more younger people.
May make him wish to outgrow youth too. :P
If we let in Sol, General Razorbeard and Buttcoffee again, it'd be more interesting :autism:Well, at least that would fulfil Adam's wish for more younger people.
May make him wish to outgrow youth too. :P
Youth is wasted on the young.
If we let in Sol, General Razorbeard and Buttcoffee again, it'd be more interesting :autism:Well, at least that would fulfil Adam's wish for more younger people.
May make him wish to outgrow youth too. :P
Youth is wasted on the young.
And old age on the old. :P
If we let in Sol, General Razorbeard and Buttcoffee again, it'd be more interesting :autism:
Did we actually ban General Razorbeard for good? I think not.
If we let in Sol, General Razorbeard and Buttcoffee again, it'd be more interesting :autism:Well, at least that would fulfil Adam's wish for more younger people.
May make him wish to outgrow youth too. :P
Youth is wasted on the young.
And old age on the old. :P
I don't think old age is much of a commodity.
If we let in Sol, General Razorbeard and Buttcoffee again, it'd be more interesting :autism:
Did we actually ban General Razorbeard for good? I think not.
If you send him a pm, postcount may rise faster than we want to handle.
Has he been seen anywhere?
As for the lack of stuff recently, I dunno. For me it's less interesting as there aren't many young people here any more and there isn't much drama
^ It would be interesting if Randy returned. :apondering:
I missed Randy when I was on hiatus. I don't think he was here when I was?^ It would be interesting if Randy returned. :apondering:
That would certainly get me posting again :2thumbsup:
I liked Randy :vibrator:
I would like to think that the people who come here do so because they can be themselves and don't feel that they necessarily have to be 'fun' or 'old and farty' or whatever.
Tbh i don't care that a lot of you have different opinions than myself. It's just than mine are always tight :glug:
I missed Randy when I was on hiatus. I don't think he was here when I was?^ It would be interesting if Randy returned. :apondering:
That would certainly get me posting again :2thumbsup:
I liked Randy :vibrator:
okay then I was here because I remember when you joined. I have a tendency to block out people that annoy me. I don't remember much of him :laugh:I missed Randy when I was on hiatus. I don't think he was here when I was?^ It would be interesting if Randy returned. :apondering:
That would certainly get me posting again :2thumbsup:
I liked Randy :vibrator:
I was lucky enough to share my first few weeks on the site with Randy. I havent seen him since :(
I agree with jman - the "what is the weather like" thread just sums up the boring shit on here. Obviously its just as much up to me to make it "interesting" as it is to any other member, but no matter how much interesting stuff is posted, the weather/alphabet threads always clog it up. tbh there;s usually only one or two active threads I keep checking back for these days. If that. I mostly come here out of habit really. Doubt many new people would get sucked in the way it is now really-
What *is* the weather like at your end, Butterflies? :zoinks:
And - what is your end like, Butterflies? :orly:
Bloody lovely :-*
I'm not so young anymore, but I'm a rebel! :orly: :viking:
Et ego :(
I have never had a problem with interacting with younger people. Both online and IRL i tend to engage with 'the youth' as easily as i do with my own age. Then again, i am a frequent dunker in the fountain of youth. :P
There is another side to this, though. I have come across plenty of young people that just make me yawn, or i think to myself thank fuck i will never ever have to go for a drink with them.
Ago vobis gratias, Papilliones! :)
I suppose the terms "oldie" and "youngster" are slightly misleading here. There are some people here who are under 30, but are among the dullest people I've ever encountered, and here are plenty of people in their 40s here who I think are great.
I suppose the terms "oldie" and "youngster" are slightly misleading here. There are some people here who are under 30, but are among the dullest people I've ever encountered, and here are plenty of people in their 40s here who I think are great.
:agreed: I guess it means "young at heart"
Although it GENERALLY corresponds to actual ages, I find
Definitely not always tho. And I include bodie in the "young" group
I think that the site needs to make a serious effort to start to engage with the youth.
I'll try and explain things from my POV. A lot of you will disagree, but this is just an opinion.
In the past, when the site was good, some of the younger members, myself included, felt that there was quite a bit of bias towards the older established people on the site. Basically, it felt to me that younger people were very welcome, but the established oldies could do what they wanted with impunity, while the younger members would quickly be torn to pieces for fairly minor stuff.
With Odeon and the mods being of similar ages, and Odeons friends being a similar age, it kinda felt like there was an elite class on this site, with one set of rules applying to the "establishment," and another set of rules for the rest. (BTW. This is not meant as a criticism of the mods, or Odeon, who do a good job.) This was never really a big deal for me in the past, as I felt that I had a good relationship with most members. Also, most importantly, there was always enough young people here that it was easy enough to avoid the worst of the fuddy-duddyness.
Now that there are so few young people who are regularly active here, it feels impossible for me to see this site as anything other than an old-persons site. Yes, I'm deeply fond of a lot of these oldies, and I'd love to hang out on a site with them, but for that to happen, there would need to be a good mix of people.
In the past, I feel that the relative diversity on the site kept it good. We may only have averaged around 25-30 members per day, but in that small group of people, we had a great mix.
In a funny kind of way, I felt that the interaction between the older, more stable members, and the younger, drama producing members, was one of the sites biggest strengths.
We tried to get Zomg running, and IMO, part of the reason it failed was because few of the older sensible people chose to be really active members. It could have worked with only the young, and young at heart, but it would have been an uphill struggle.
This place seems to be having a similar problem, but in reverse. The site appears to be in a self-perpetuating cycle, where the more that it becomes a wrinkle-fest, the less appealing it becomes to younger people.
Also, I don't think it helps that the "establishment" keep getting older :green: When this site was new, the "oldies" like Odeon and Callaway would still have been quite young. 5 years from now, they will be practically elderly :laugh: As the average age of the "establishment" increases, the age gap between them and the new members increases. Not many people under 30 would want to join a site where the "establishment" is so much older than them
OK, I think I'm finished with my stream of consciousness ramble for now, but to sum thing up for those who cant be arsed reading my essay :laugh:, I think that the site needs to make a serious effort to start to engage with the youth.
Quote from: ButterfliesI think that the site needs to make a serious effort to start to engage with the youth.
This implies a conscious, site-wide policy, which in turn implies moderation. How would you go about achieving this?
I'm not about to apologise for my age, nor will I start acting in any other way than what feels comfortable and right to me. If somebody thinks I'm not young at heart or whatever, quite frankly I could not care less. Also, I'm not about to start treating members differently based on their age, and I'm not about to change the site itself based on some probably misguided conception of what the so-called youth might expect to see here.
Interestingly, no-one's explained what that might be or, conversely, what an old person's topics might consist of.
I'm not about to apologise for my age, nor will I start acting in any other way than what feels comfortable and right to me. If somebody thinks I'm not young at heart or whatever, quite frankly I could not care lessI think you've misunderstood me. I am certainly not criticizing the older people for being old. Far from it. They are the people who are keeping this site active. Im criticizing the fact that there is no longer a good mix of older and younger members to keep the site vibrant.
Papiliones fortes sunt! :viking:
I'll try and explain things from my POV. A lot of you will disagree, but this is just an opinion.
In the past, when the site was good, some of the younger members, myself included, felt that there was quite a bit of bias towards the older established people on the site. Basically, it felt to me that younger people were very welcome, but the established oldies could do what they wanted with impunity, while the younger members would quickly be torn to pieces for fairly minor stuff.
With Odeon and the mods being of similar ages, and Odeons friends being a similar age, it kinda felt like there was an elite class on this site, with one set of rules applying to the "establishment," and another set of rules for the rest. (BTW. This is not meant as a criticism of the mods, or Odeon, who do a good job.) This was never really a big deal for me in the past, as I felt that I had a good relationship with most members. Also, most importantly, there was always enough young people here that it was easy enough to avoid the worst of the fuddy-duddyness.
Now that there are so few young people who are regularly active here, it feels impossible for me to see this site as anything other than an old-persons site. Yes, I'm deeply fond of a lot of these oldies, and I'd love to hang out on a site with them, but for that to happen, there would need to be a good mix of people.
In the past, I feel that the relative diversity on the site kept it good. We may only have averaged around 25-30 members per day, but in that small group of people, we had a great mix.
In a funny kind of way, I felt that the interaction between the older, more stable members, and the younger, drama producing members, was one of the sites biggest strengths.
We tried to get Zomg running, and IMO, part of the reason it failed was because few of the older sensible people chose to be really active members. It could have worked with only the young, and young at heart, but it would have been an uphill struggle.
This place seems to be having a similar problem, but in reverse. The site appears to be in a self-perpetuating cycle, where the more that it becomes a wrinkle-fest, the less appealing it becomes to younger people.
Also, I don't think it helps that the "establishment" keep getting older :green: When this site was new, the "oldies" like Odeon and Callaway would still have been quite young. 5 years from now, they will be practically elderly :laugh: As the average age of the "establishment" increases, the age gap between them and the new members increases. Not many people under 30 would want to join a site where the "establishment" is so much older than them
OK, I think I'm finished with my stream of consciousness ramble for now, but to sum thing up for those who cant be arsed reading my essay :laugh:, I think that the site needs to make a serious effort to start to engage with the youth.
I am with Odeon on this.
Besides, I can remember just how much fun it was when the "youth of the forum" was "engaging the forum" actively and trying to take shots at "the establishment". It culminated in a call out by Parts on you and I.
If you are using this thread that talks about declining numbers/views as a subversive platform to try to trot out the want to infuse the board wirth the same kind of bullshit drama in a rebranding of "engaging youth on the site", I don't think that is a great idea.
Do you?
Quote from: ButterfliesI think that the site needs to make a serious effort to start to engage with the youth.
This implies a conscious, site-wide policy, which in turn implies moderation. How would you go about achieving this?
I'm not about to apologise for my age, nor will I start acting in any other way than what feels comfortable and right to me. If somebody thinks I'm not young at heart or whatever, quite frankly I could not care less. Also, I'm not about to start treating members differently based on their age, and I'm not about to change the site itself based on some probably misguided conception of what the so-called youth might expect to see here.
Interestingly, no-one's explained what that might be or, conversely, what an old person's topics might consist of.
Unfortunately I dont have the answers. I certainly feel that this site has little to attract younger members, and the only obvious solution is to get more young members. I dont know how to achieve this though.QuoteI'm not about to apologise for my age, nor will I start acting in any other way than what feels comfortable and right to me. If somebody thinks I'm not young at heart or whatever, quite frankly I could not care lessI think you've misunderstood me. I am certainly not criticizing the older people for being old. Far from it. They are the people who are keeping this site active. Im criticizing the fact that there is no longer a good mix of older and younger members to keep the site vibrant.
I think its natural for people to want to hang out in a place where there are people of their own age. Your closest friends on this site appear to be a similar age to yourself. It doesnt mean that you dont like a lot of the younger members. Its just human nature that we kinda need to have people of or own age around.
I think if you want to see things from my POV, you would have to imagine how you would feel if it was most of your friends who staged an exodus, leaving the site full of a bunch of annoying, dramatic, under-30s.
I remember that aroud the time of the launch of Spasticity, some of the younger members were making similar claims but in a much more negative and condemning fashion, as to how IntensitySquared was inactive and full of old folk and non-interesting, etc.
They started a new site to cater for younger and cooler members.
Whatever happened there? Surely it would have florished with the activity and vibrant mood?
Personally i believe that this site has and will always have florishes. ups and downs, activity-wise.
But I may be being a bit dismissive here. Who are the active younger members that have stopped posting recently, that the site would benefit from having here?
I remember that aroud the time of the launch of Spasticity, some of the younger members were making similar claims but in a much more negative and condemning fashion, as to how IntensitySquared was inactive and full of old folk and non-interesting, etc.As Ive said several times. I feel a small site needs a good mix of people, of all ages. I2 currently has a problem in that it struggles to attract younger people. Zomg and S2 didnt really attract oldies, and I feel that was every bit as big a problem. We all saw how Zomg and S2 ended, so Im not really sure that they are a very good example of why I2 should never change.
They started a new site to cater for younger and cooler members.
Whatever happened there? Surely it would have florished with the activity and vibrant mood?
Personally i believe that this site has and will always have florishes. ups and downs, activity-wise.
But I may be being a bit dismissive here. Who are the active younger members that have stopped posting recently, that the site would benefit from having here?
I remember that aroud the time of the launch of Spasticity, some of the younger members were making similar claims but in a much more negative and condemning fashion, as to how IntensitySquared was inactive and full of old folk and non-interesting, etc.
They started a new site to cater for younger and cooler members.
Whatever happened there? Surely it would have florished with the activity and vibrant mood?
Personally i believe that this site has and will always have florishes. ups and downs, activity-wise.
But I may be being a bit dismissive here. Who are the active younger members that have stopped posting recently, that the site would benefit from having here?QuoteI remember that aroud the time of the launch of Spasticity, some of the younger members were making similar claims but in a much more negative and condemning fashion, as to how IntensitySquared was inactive and full of old folk and non-interesting, etc.As Ive said several times. I feel a small site needs a good mix of people, of all ages. I2 currently has a problem in that it struggles to attract younger people. Zomg and S2 didnt really attract oldies, and I feel that was every bit as big a problem. We all saw how Zomg and S2 ended, so Im not really sure that they are a very good example of why I2 should never change.
They started a new site to cater for younger and cooler members.
Whatever happened there? Surely it would have florished with the activity and vibrant mood?
Personally i believe that this site has and will always have florishes. ups and downs, activity-wise.QuoteBut I may be being a bit dismissive here. Who are the active younger members that have stopped posting recently, that the site would benefit from having here?
I'm not really comfortable answering this question, but if I had to name a few young people off the top of my head, who have either left or severely cut back on their posting I would say, Squiddy, Eris, Adam, Schleed, Scrappy, Binty, Penty, and myself. Thats not including people like Trigger or EBM who dont seem to be around now, and who could probably fall into the "young" category.
That is at least 8 people, all young, who were very active members. A very rough look at the figures suggests that the average amount of members online each day has fallen from around 31, 18 months ago, to around 16 now. I can understand if you arent bothered by the site losing these people, but I think it would be downright silly to suggest that the site hasnt suffered badly for their loss.
For me anyways it doesnt matter if a messege board is popular or not. I'll post on here until something in the real world captivates my attention more, I also think topics like this were made out of resentment because they secretly want to post on more active forums.
but either cant, :zoinks:
Or have the secret to turn everyday common water into gasoline. :prude:
Iuvenis in corde sum :)
Quote from: ButterfliesI think that the site needs to make a serious effort to start to engage with the youth.
This implies a conscious, site-wide policy, which in turn implies moderation. How would you go about achieving this?
I'm not about to apologise for my age, nor will I start acting in any other way than what feels comfortable and right to me. If somebody thinks I'm not young at heart or whatever, quite frankly I could not care less. Also, I'm not about to start treating members differently based on their age, and I'm not about to change the site itself based on some probably misguided conception of what the so-called youth might expect to see here.
Interestingly, no-one's explained what that might be or, conversely, what an old person's topics might consist of.
Unfortunately I dont have the answers. I certainly feel that this site has little to attract younger members, and the only obvious solution is to get more young members. I dont know how to achieve this though.
QuoteI'm not about to apologise for my age, nor will I start acting in any other way than what feels comfortable and right to me. If somebody thinks I'm not young at heart or whatever, quite frankly I could not care lessI think you've misunderstood me. I am certainly not criticizing the older people for being old. Far from it. They are the people who are keeping this site active. Im criticizing the fact that there is no longer a good mix of older and younger members to keep the site vibrant.
I think its natural for people to want to hang out in a place where there are people of their own age. Your closest friends on this site appear to be a similar age to yourself. It doesnt mean that you dont like a lot of the younger members. Its just human nature that we kinda need to have people of or own age around.
I think if you want to see things from my POV, you would have to imagine how you would feel if it was most of your friends who staged an exodus, leaving the site full of a bunch of annoying, dramatic, under-30s.
Im not sure that rebranding is the answer, but I do feel that the site is badly struggling right now. Im sure that different people will have different ideas on where its all gone wrong, and I'm also sure that there will be some who prefer the site as it is now.
Clearly the active membership has declined over the last year or so, and that does coincide with the time that a large amount of younger members stopped posting, or left altogether.
I can also say that as a young person myself, the relative absence of other young people on the site is the main reason why I think I dont find the site very interesting these days.
tbh I get the feeling the old fogeys like Les are happy for it to just stay as it is . The nice little Intensity Squared Autistic Retirement Home :zoinks:
Im not sure that rebranding is the answer, but I do feel that the site is badly struggling right now. Im sure that different people will have different ideas on where its all gone wrong, and I'm also sure that there will be some who prefer the site as it is now.
Clearly the active membership has declined over the last year or so, and that does coincide with the time that a large amount of younger members stopped posting, or left altogether.
I can also say that as a young person myself, the relative absence of other young people on the site is the main reason why I think I dont find the site very interesting these days.
CBC's declining posting average is a bigger factor, tbh. As for "struggling", post something that you find interesting or something you think your age group might find interesting. Nothing is stopping you.
I'm not really comfortable answering this question, but if I had to name a few young people off the top of my head, who have either left or severely cut back on their posting I would say, Squiddy, Eris, Adam, Schleed, Scrappy, Binty, Penty, and myself. Thats not including people like Trigger or EBM who dont seem to be around now, and who could probably fall into the "young" category.
That is at least 8 people, all young, who were very active members. A very rough look at the figures suggests that the average amount of members online each day has fallen from around 31, 18 months ago, to around 16 now. I can understand if you arent bothered by the site losing these people, but I think it would be downright silly to suggest that the site hasnt suffered badly for their loss.
lol Les have you not been reading what Butterflies said?
She's not talking about biologica/legal age
I remember that aroud the time of the launch of Spasticity, some of the younger members were making similar claims but in a much more negative and condemning fashion, as to how IntensitySquared was inactive and full of old folk and non-interesting, etc.
They started a new site to cater for younger and cooler members.
Whatever happened there? Surely it would have florished with the activity and vibrant mood?
Personally i believe that this site has and will always have florishes. ups and downs, activity-wise.
But I may be being a bit dismissive here. Who are the active younger members that have stopped posting recently, that the site would benefit from having here?QuoteI remember that aroud the time of the launch of Spasticity, some of the younger members were making similar claims but in a much more negative and condemning fashion, as to how IntensitySquared was inactive and full of old folk and non-interesting, etc.As Ive said several times. I feel a small site needs a good mix of people, of all ages. I2 currently has a problem in that it struggles to attract younger people. Zomg and S2 didnt really attract oldies, and I feel that was every bit as big a problem. We all saw how Zomg and S2 ended, so Im not really sure that they are a very good example of why I2 should never change.
They started a new site to cater for younger and cooler members.
Whatever happened there? Surely it would have florished with the activity and vibrant mood?
Personally i believe that this site has and will always have florishes. ups and downs, activity-wise.QuoteBut I may be being a bit dismissive here. Who are the active younger members that have stopped posting recently, that the site would benefit from having here?
I'm not really comfortable answering this question, but if I had to name a few young people off the top of my head, who have either left or severely cut back on their posting I would say, Squiddy, Eris, Adam, Schleed, Scrappy, Binty, Penty, and myself. Thats not including people like Trigger or EBM who dont seem to be around now, and who could probably fall into the "young" category.
That is at least 8 people, all young, who were very active members. A very rough look at the figures suggests that the average amount of members online each day has fallen from around 31, 18 months ago, to around 16 now. I can understand if you arent bothered by the site losing these people, but I think it would be downright silly to suggest that the site hasnt suffered badly for their loss.
Were we to entertain this as being problematic and so forth, we would look at each of the people in turn.
Squiddy? Some miss him. I don't.
Eris and Binty? They left recently after a big meltdowns. It seems as if they had a bigger problem with the younger members than the older members.
Scrappy was in his forties and not a younger member. He was ridiculous and almost a caricature
EBM and Eris and Trigger are in their 30's and are not that far removed in age from me.
Penty? Dunno what happened with him and had not realised he was not posting until you mentioned it,
I see no real drop in post with Adam.
I see you back, but then I did not miss you when you were gone nor was I bothered by your return.
Shleed? Again whether he posts or not ....meh.
You missed out on Calvera. He was in age probably younger than Trigger, EBM and Eris.
In fact Trigger could well be my age or older
Iuvenis in corde sum :)
et quoque anus :green:
I remember that aroud the time of the launch of Spasticity, some of the younger members were making similar claims but in a much more negative and condemning fashion, as to how IntensitySquared was inactive and full of old folk and non-interesting, etc.
They started a new site to cater for younger and cooler members.
Whatever happened there? Surely it would have florished with the activity and vibrant mood?
Personally i believe that this site has and will always have florishes. ups and downs, activity-wise.
But I may be being a bit dismissive here. Who are the active younger members that have stopped posting recently, that the site would benefit from having here?QuoteI remember that aroud the time of the launch of Spasticity, some of the younger members were making similar claims but in a much more negative and condemning fashion, as to how IntensitySquared was inactive and full of old folk and non-interesting, etc.As Ive said several times. I feel a small site needs a good mix of people, of all ages. I2 currently has a problem in that it struggles to attract younger people. Zomg and S2 didnt really attract oldies, and I feel that was every bit as big a problem. We all saw how Zomg and S2 ended, so Im not really sure that they are a very good example of why I2 should never change.
They started a new site to cater for younger and cooler members.
Whatever happened there? Surely it would have florished with the activity and vibrant mood?
Personally i believe that this site has and will always have florishes. ups and downs, activity-wise.QuoteBut I may be being a bit dismissive here. Who are the active younger members that have stopped posting recently, that the site would benefit from having here?
I'm not really comfortable answering this question, but if I had to name a few young people off the top of my head, who have either left or severely cut back on their posting I would say, Squiddy, Eris, Adam, Schleed, Scrappy, Binty, Penty, and myself. Thats not including people like Trigger or EBM who dont seem to be around now, and who could probably fall into the "young" category.
That is at least 8 people, all young, who were very active members. A very rough look at the figures suggests that the average amount of members online each day has fallen from around 31, 18 months ago, to around 16 now. I can understand if you arent bothered by the site losing these people, but I think it would be downright silly to suggest that the site hasnt suffered badly for their loss.
Were we to entertain this as being problematic and so forth, we would look at each of the people in turn.
Squiddy? Some miss him. I don't.
Eris and Binty? They left recently after a big meltdowns. It seems as if they had a bigger problem with the younger members than the older members.
Scrappy was in his forties and not a younger member. He was ridiculous and almost a caricature
EBM and Eris and Trigger are in their 30's and are not that far removed in age from me.
Penty? Dunno what happened with him and had not realised he was not posting until you mentioned it,
I see no real drop in post with Adam.
I see you back, but then I did not miss you when you were gone nor was I bothered by your return.
Shleed? Again whether he posts or not ....meh.
You missed out on Calvera. He was in age probably younger than Trigger, EBM and Eris.
In fact Trigger could well be my age or older
OK, so we have established that you dont miss the young people who dont post much now. It seems that you would prefer to post on a dying site with your mates, than on a vibrant site with a lot of people youre not keen on. If you take a look at the site stats, you will see that the site is far from being better off without them.
Of course, youre welcome to feel that way. I can even understand it. However, it doesnt seem like an attitude that is helpful to the site.
As a young person, its that group of people who would encourage me to hang around here, and to post regularly.
And I didnt forget about Calavera.
lol Les have you not been reading what Butterflies said?
She's not talking about biologica/legal age
And I didnt forget about Calavera.
I remember that aroud the time of the launch of Spasticity, some of the younger members were making similar claims but in a much more negative and condemning fashion, as to how IntensitySquared was inactive and full of old folk and non-interesting, etc.
They started a new site to cater for younger and cooler members.
Whatever happened there? Surely it would have florished with the activity and vibrant mood?
Personally i believe that this site has and will always have florishes. ups and downs, activity-wise.
But I may be being a bit dismissive here. Who are the active younger members that have stopped posting recently, that the site would benefit from having here?QuoteI remember that aroud the time of the launch of Spasticity, some of the younger members were making similar claims but in a much more negative and condemning fashion, as to how IntensitySquared was inactive and full of old folk and non-interesting, etc.As Ive said several times. I feel a small site needs a good mix of people, of all ages. I2 currently has a problem in that it struggles to attract younger people. Zomg and S2 didnt really attract oldies, and I feel that was every bit as big a problem. We all saw how Zomg and S2 ended, so Im not really sure that they are a very good example of why I2 should never change.
They started a new site to cater for younger and cooler members.
Whatever happened there? Surely it would have florished with the activity and vibrant mood?
Personally i believe that this site has and will always have florishes. ups and downs, activity-wise.QuoteBut I may be being a bit dismissive here. Who are the active younger members that have stopped posting recently, that the site would benefit from having here?
I'm not really comfortable answering this question, but if I had to name a few young people off the top of my head, who have either left or severely cut back on their posting I would say, Squiddy, Eris, Adam, Schleed, Scrappy, Binty, Penty, and myself. Thats not including people like Trigger or EBM who dont seem to be around now, and who could probably fall into the "young" category.
That is at least 8 people, all young, who were very active members. A very rough look at the figures suggests that the average amount of members online each day has fallen from around 31, 18 months ago, to around 16 now. I can understand if you arent bothered by the site losing these people, but I think it would be downright silly to suggest that the site hasnt suffered badly for their loss.
Were we to entertain this as being problematic and so forth, we would look at each of the people in turn.
Squiddy? Some miss him. I don't.
Eris and Binty? They left recently after a big meltdowns. It seems as if they had a bigger problem with the younger members than the older members.
Scrappy was in his forties and not a younger member. He was ridiculous and almost a caricature
EBM and Eris and Trigger are in their 30's and are not that far removed in age from me.
Penty? Dunno what happened with him and had not realised he was not posting until you mentioned it,
I see no real drop in post with Adam.
I see you back, but then I did not miss you when you were gone nor was I bothered by your return.
Shleed? Again whether he posts or not ....meh.
You missed out on Calvera. He was in age probably younger than Trigger, EBM and Eris.
In fact Trigger could well be my age or older
OK, so we have established that you dont miss the young people who dont post much now. It seems that you would prefer to post on a dying site with your mates, than on a vibrant site with a lot of people youre not keen on. If you take a look at the site stats, you will see that the site is far from being better off without them.
Of course, youre welcome to feel that way. I can even understand it. However, it doesnt seem like an attitude that is helpful to the site.
As a young person, its that group of people who would encourage me to hang around here, and to post regularly.
And I didnt forget about Calavera.
For something completely different, just checked my memory, thought mine was failing.....
People mentioning missing Randy, and the interaction they had with him. Some joined here joined after me. I could not remember ever having encountered Randy on this place, apart from posts he had left behind.
Indeed, last time (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?action=profile;u=71) he was active on this place was December 8 2007.
So, not senile yet.
For something completely different, just checked my memory, thought mine was failing.....
People mentioning missing Randy, and the interaction they had with him. Some joined here joined after me. I could not remember ever having encountered Randy on this place, apart from posts he had left behind.
Indeed, last time (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?action=profile;u=71) he was active on this place was December 8 2007.
So, not senile yet.
Randy has had several accounts here. I don't remember what his last one was, tbh.
And I didnt forget about Calavera.
You didn't mention him, so it was a fair assumption to make.
And I didnt forget about Calavera.
You didn't mention him, so it was a fair assumption to make.
No, because (again) you're missing the point - Butterflies is not seperating the membership into under 30s and over 30s
I know when Scrap was last here with Squiddy and Eris and Binty it was not "vibrant". I know that having "young people" here does not equate to making it vibrant and I know you would not be making such a stupid association between the the two terms, right?
Young posters =/= vibrant
Young posters can be vibrant but this is not causal.
Adam and Schleed are posting here. Binty wanted away from every kind of forum, AFAIK. Trigger is around, every now and then, but was never a particularly frequent poster. Eris and quite a few of the younger folks got along swimmingly, I seem to remember, as did Penty and mostly everyone.
Unless your main driving force here is generating drama, I don't understand your point at all.
You don't have the answers but still feel there is little to attract younger members? Do you know what younger members would like? Do you know what younger members WOULDN'T like?
I'm confused. I2 doesn't have what you want, yet you don't know what you want or what others in your age group want? Yours seems like a very confused generation, tbh.
Me, I'm content with the pub-like atmosphere we do have, and quite a few of the other grumpies seem to accept it, too. True, not every young folk is allowed into a pub, but then again, that is why they invented latte houses and placed McDonald's restaurants in every corner.
CBC's declining posting average is a bigger factor, tbh
For something completely different, just checked my memory, thought mine was failing.....
People mentioning missing Randy, and the interaction they had with him. Some joined here joined after me. I could not remember ever having encountered Randy on this place, apart from posts he had left behind.
Indeed, last time (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?action=profile;u=71) he was active on this place was December 8 2007.
So, not senile yet.
A dying site or a site that is just bereft of a lot of activity for a time. These are two very different things.
Before answering. over the last 5 or 6 years, there have been other similar times where the stats have similarlydropped and even to levels lower than this.
So can you clarify what you meant? Dying site or a site with a drop in activity?
I honestly don't care if young people or old people post. I don't care if you or Binty or Eris or Scrap or whomever post
I know when Scrap was last here with Squiddy and Eris and Binty it was not "vibrant". I know that having young people here does not equate to making it vibrant and I know you would not be making such a stupid association between the the two terms, right?
Young posters =/= vibrant
Young posters can be vibrant but this is not causal.
lol Les have you not been reading what Butterflies said?
She's not talking about biologica/legal age
Seems to me she was. Certainly she has not qualified it in any other way.
The "young at heart" bullshit is, well, bullshit. Seems to me it's simply something you excuse yourself with when forming a clique consisting of people you happen to like.
Unless you actually have defined what the youth demographic group want to see here and I just missed it.
And I didnt forget about Calavera.
You didn't mention him, so it was a fair assumption to make.
No, because (again) you're missing the point - Butterflies is not seperating the membership into under 30s and over 30s
lol Les have you not been reading what Butterflies said?
She's not talking about biologica/legal age
Seems to me she was. Certainly she has not qualified it in any other way.
The "young at heart" bullshit is, well, bullshit. Seems to me it's simply something you excuse yourself with when forming a clique consisting of people you happen to like.
Unless you actually have defined what the youth demographic group want to see here and I just missed it.
Im not talking about biological age.
Adam and Schleed are posting here. Binty wanted away from every kind of forum, AFAIK. Trigger is around, every now and then, but was never a particularly frequent poster. Eris and quite a few of the younger folks got along swimmingly, I seem to remember, as did Penty and mostly everyone.
I'm not talking about the reasons for anyone leaving. They all had their own reasons. Im saying that the site doesnt work as well without them, and that they have never been replaced.
QuoteUnless your main driving force here is generating drama, I don't understand your point at all.
The point of that post was to answer Les' question. My overall point is that this site worked well when there was a good mix of old and young. Now that there is no real mix, I dont feel that the site works anywhere near as well.
QuoteYou don't have the answers but still feel there is little to attract younger members? Do you know what younger members would like? Do you know what younger members WOULDN'T like?
I know what I would like, and I know what I dont like.
I do believe that most young people would like a site with other young people on it.
QuoteI'm confused. I2 doesn't have what you want, yet you don't know what you want or what others in your age group want? Yours seems like a very confused generation, tbh.
I know what I want. I have no idea how to achieve it though.QuoteMe, I'm content with the pub-like atmosphere we do have, and quite a few of the other grumpies seem to accept it, too. True, not every young folk is allowed into a pub, but then again, that is why they invented latte houses and placed McDonald's restaurants in every corner.
OK, I like the word "grumpies." :laugh: That is probably more accurate than "oldies," so I'll use that word instead.
Ive also been thinking of a pub as a good analogy too, so.
In the best pubs, you have a good mix of regulars who different people of different ages. In the past, this place was like a good pub. I would come in, speak to my "grumpy" mates, have a few shots with them, and then go and hang out with the youngsters at the slot machines. If things got a bit dull, I could still shoot some pool with my "grumpy" mates.
Nowadays, I can still come to the pub and meet my "grumpy" mates, but theres no real group of youngsters to create a good balance.QuoteCBC's declining posting average is a bigger factor, tbh
In January to March 2011, there was generally between 330 and 800 new posts per day, with it exceeding 1000 once. Over the last three months, there has generally been between 69 and 240 new posts per day, with it getting into the 300s a few times. CBC currently has a posting average of 36.6 posts per day. She appears to still be posting regularly, so it seems unlikely that any drop in her posting would have amounted to more than 20 fewer posts per day on the forum.
Also, the "new posts" stat is only one stat. The "most online" stat, which shows how many members have been online each day has dropped by roughly a third in the same timescale.
In 2008 there appears to have been a time during the second half of the year when things werent going great. There was often only around 12 members online per day, although they seemed to do a lot of posting. Possibly down Callandale.
lol Les have you not been reading what Butterflies said?
She's not talking about biologica/legal age
Seems to me she was. Certainly she has not qualified it in any other way.
The "young at heart" bullshit is, well, bullshit. Seems to me it's simply something you excuse yourself with when forming a clique consisting of people you happen to like.
Unless you actually have defined what the youth demographic group want to see here and I just missed it.
Im not talking about biological age.
You want "young" people to post here, mixed with the "old". As you haven't bothered to define either, I have to go with what the words actually mean. But feel free to tell the readership what you actually mean.
Unless it is what I said, that you use the terms loosely to define a clique consisting of people you like.
lol Les have you not been reading what Butterflies said?
She's not talking about biologica/legal age
Seems to me she was. Certainly she has not qualified it in any other way.
The "young at heart" bullshit is, well, bullshit. Seems to me it's simply something you excuse yourself with when forming a clique consisting of people you happen to like.
Unless you actually have defined what the youth demographic group want to see here and I just missed it.
Im not talking about biological age.
You want "young" people to post here, mixed with the "old". As you haven't bothered to define either, I have to go with what the words actually mean. But feel free to tell the readership what you actually mean.
Unless it is what I said, that you use the terms loosely to define a clique consisting of people you like.
MLA created a thread where he posted 4 graphs, highlighting how much less active the site now was. He also labeled the thread "A retrospective." It appeared that he was looking for people to discuss the situation, and to look at why the site is faring so badly these days.
As someone who was a very active member of the site, but who now feels it has lost its way, I thought I was in a good position to explain why the site has lost its appeal to me.
I politely gave my opinions on the matter, and now, because yourself, and Les disagree with my opinions, you have spent the next 6 pages hassling me about my opinion.
This is exactly the kind of behavior that I was alluding to in my first couple of posts on this subject. It feels like nobody is allowed to voice an opinion that you and Les disagree with. If I have an opinion that you guys dislike, you appear to just want to hound, and hound away, pushing me to explain every word of what I've said.
Just a few things and at risk of repeating myself over and over, I think I would like to have this clarified.
If you are not talking young or old in biological terms then what is the term you are associating with young and old?
If it is emotional or mental, then what is your term of reference? How do you measure against their actual age and their (emotional/mental?) age? How do you measure them up against others? What aspects of them do you configure their "age" against (apart from how they type on a keyboard)?
These are serious questions because of this.
There was a time that you and Adam and Squid in particular decided to go to extreme lengths to drive a propaganda campaign here about this place being crap, that there were too many older people, that the older people were no good and the site was failing, that the older people were part of a clique and so on. The answer was to encourage everyone who was young (and cool) to leave here and go to Spasticity and later to Zomgreloaded). When you started getting back up early in the piece by Scrap and a couple of the others who were older you all welcomed them in and amended earlier comments to allow young at heart or some such.
The sites did not do so well. The young clique broke down a bit. (Eris and Bint had a falling out and Squiddy and Scrap stopped posting on forums, etc). Now with the MLA starting this thread showing a drop in activity, I see you dragging up dead and buried ideologies. Ones that died a well deserved death back then.
I see you making overtures as to vibrance and young people here. One does not equate to the other so why are you making these associations?
Why are you suggesting that the place is dying when it has mant times in the last 6 or so years had times of similar levels or worse inactivity and never died? What is the purpose in stating it is dying?
Why are you inferring that the young people left because of the old or because of the culture?
Are you really just saying that you would like more people that you like here and that you would call them "young"?
I do not understand why you are doing and saying the above but would be very grateful if you could clarify this.
MLA created a thread where he posted 4 graphs, highlighting how much less active the site now was. He also labeled the thread "A retrospective." It appeared that he was looking for people to discuss the situation, and to look at why the site is faring so badly these days.
As someone who was a very active member of the site, but who now feels it has lost its way, I thought I was in a good position to explain why the site has lost its appeal to me.
I politely gave my opinions on the matter, and now, because yourself, and Les disagree with my opinions, you have spent the next 6 pages hassling me about my opinion.
This is exactly the kind of behavior that I was alluding to in my first couple of posts on this subject. It feels like nobody is allowed to voice an opinion that you and Les disagree with. If I have an opinion that you guys dislike, you appear to just want to hound, and hound away, pushing me to explain every word of what I've said.
There's no need to play dumb Les. You know Im not suggesting that young people are leaving because of the grumpies. Im suggesting that some of the younger people are leaving, or not sticking around, because there are so few people of their own age, who they might actually want to hang out with.
There is a big difference between what Im saying, and the opinions that you are trying your hardest to ascribe to me.
Fortes este, Papiliones! :viking:
Fortes este, Papiliones! :viking:
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Okay, from the Grumpiest of the Grumpies:
As far as not being able to post an opinion that Les and odeon do not agree with - This is Intensity. Aren't we supposed to challenge (or embrace) ideas with passion? With argument? With just general bull headedness? You're able to post and anyone is able to answer.
As far as drama - I'm not a fan of the treatment Meadow, Penty, Richard, etc. get/got sometimes. Arguments that I'm not actively involved in scare me, always did, always will. Yes, I will on the very rare occasion post something that contributes to the argument. This is something I've always felt, so it's not a Grup vs Only (Grownups vs Onlies, from an old Star Trek episode) thing.
Do I like seeing nudes? Reading about constipation? guns? nudes? Nope, but I'll either skip the posts, make a joke about them or check on them periodically since so many of the threads go off track and end up somewhere else. It's my choice to avoid them.
I'll never be young, probably never like the music of the moment or the TV series of the moment, but then, who knows? I've got some good tips from Onlies. Do we need younger members? IMHO we need members who can be themselves. If you can't join at any age and find a spot for yourself, then you might not be Intense.
And BTW, I realize that my QV role playing with CBC is probably wearing on the membership. We've cut it back considerably recently.
Over and Out. I've finished making a doddering old fool of myself for now. And no, I'm not leaving, although, no one has asked.
Okay, from the Grumpiest of the Grumpies:
As far as not being able to post an opinion that Les and odeon do not agree with - This is Intensity. Aren't we supposed to challenge (or embrace) ideas with passion? With argument? With just general bull headedness? You're able to post and anyone is able to answer.
As far as drama - I'm not a fan of the treatment Meadow, Penty, Richard, etc. get/got sometimes. Arguments that I'm not actively involved in scare me, always did, always will. Yes, I will on the very rare occasion post something that contributes to the argument. This is something I've always felt, so it's not a Grup vs Only (Grownups vs Onlies, from an old Star Trek episode) thing.
Do I like seeing nudes? Reading about constipation? guns? nudes? Nope, but I'll either skip the posts, make a joke about them or check on them periodically since so many of the threads go off track and end up somewhere else. It's my choice to avoid them.
I'll never be young, probably never like the music of the moment or the TV series of the moment, but then, who knows? I've got some good tips from Onlies. Do we need younger members? IMHO we need members who can be themselves. If you can't join at any age and find a spot for yourself, then you might not be Intense.
And BTW, I realize that my QV role playing with CBC is probably wearing on the membership. We've cut it back considerably recently.
Over and Out. I've finished making a doddering old fool of myself for now. And no, I'm not leaving, although, no one has asked.
Very wise, milady
Okay, from the Grumpiest of the Grumpies:
As far as not being able to post an opinion that Les and odeon do not agree with - This is Intensity. Aren't we supposed to challenge (or embrace) ideas with passion? With argument? With just general bull headedness? You're able to post and anyone is able to answer.
As far as drama - I'm not a fan of the treatment Meadow, Penty, Richard, etc. get/got sometimes. Arguments that I'm not actively involved in scare me, always did, always will. Yes, I will on the very rare occasion post something that contributes to the argument. This is something I've always felt, so it's not a Grup vs Only (Grownups vs Onlies, from an old Star Trek episode) thing.
Do I like seeing nudes? Reading about constipation? guns? nudes? Nope, but I'll either skip the posts, make a joke about them or check on them periodically since so many of the threads go off track and end up somewhere else. It's my choice to avoid them.
I'll never be young, probably never like the music of the moment or the TV series of the moment, but then, who knows? I've got some good tips from Onlies. Do we need younger members? IMHO we need members who can be themselves. If you can't join at any age and find a spot for yourself, then you might not be Intense.
And BTW, I realize that my QV role playing with CBC is probably wearing on the membership. We've cut it back considerably recently.
Over and Out. I've finished making a doddering old fool of myself for now. And no, I'm not leaving, although, no one has asked.
Very wise, milady
Uh, what part was wise? My last 5 sentences?
Okay, from the Grumpiest of the Grumpies:
As far as not being able to post an opinion that Les and odeon do not agree with - This is Intensity. Aren't we supposed to challenge (or embrace) ideas with passion? With argument? With just general bull headedness? You're able to post and anyone is able to answer.
As far as drama - I'm not a fan of the treatment Meadow, Penty, Richard, etc. get/got sometimes. Arguments that I'm not actively involved in scare me, always did, always will. Yes, I will on the very rare occasion post something that contributes to the argument. This is something I've always felt, so it's not a Grup vs Only (Grownups vs Onlies, from an old Star Trek episode) thing.
Do I like seeing nudes? Reading about constipation? guns? nudes? Nope, but I'll either skip the posts, make a joke about them or check on them periodically since so many of the threads go off track and end up somewhere else. It's my choice to avoid them.
I'll never be young, probably never like the music of the moment or the TV series of the moment, but then, who knows? I've got some good tips from Onlies. Do we need younger members? IMHO we need members who can be themselves. If you can't join at any age and find a spot for yourself, then you might not be Intense.
And BTW, I realize that my QV role playing with CBC is probably wearing on the membership. We've cut it back considerably recently.
Over and Out. I've finished making a doddering old fool of myself for now. And no, I'm not leaving, although, no one has asked.
Eris left because of Pig, not because of people her own age?
Scrap left because of trying to make some bullshit point about moderation, not people not being his age?
Binty had some issue and meltdown over you or Adam i think? That is how I remember. Wasn't about people being his age or not
EBM is a seasonal poster due to his work which makes internet unavailable to him? Nothing to do with people his own age
Adam is still posting here, as is Schleed.
I have no idea what you are saying about people leaving because of the age of people on here.
MLA created a thread where he posted 4 graphs, highlighting how much less active the site now was. He also labeled the thread "A retrospective." It appeared that he was looking for people to discuss the situation, and to look at why the site is faring so badly these days.
As someone who was a very active member of the site, but who now feels it has lost its way, I thought I was in a good position to explain why the site has lost its appeal to me.
I politely gave my opinions on the matter, and now, because yourself, and Les disagree with my opinions, you have spent the next 6 pages hassling me about my opinion.
This is exactly the kind of behavior that I was alluding to in my first couple of posts on this subject. It feels like nobody is allowed to voice an opinion that you and Les disagree with. If I have an opinion that you guys dislike, you appear to just want to hound, and hound away, pushing me to explain every word of what I've said.
But you haven't voiced any actual opinions beyond saying that you want to mix with young people, eventually qualifying it with that no, you don't mean *age-wise*.
And that's it. No explanations, no suggestions, no defining of what makes someone old or young if it isn't age, nothing about what the site should be about, no hints beyond yelling THE SITE IS DYING, THE SITE IS DYING (which incidentally doesn't make it so).
And it's more than a little confusing. And when I don't accept what I find flawed theories at face values, you retort with "this is exactly the kind of behaviour I was talking about".
No you weren't. We did ask wtf you were on about, and quite politely too, but this is what we get as an answer, not something constructive or even remotely illuminating.
Now, I'm sure you'll put this down as another example of the grumpies clique fighting down the youth, but I really would like you to at least explain that young/old thing. If it isn't about age, then what *is* it about?
And "hassling"? Oh please.
Okay, from the Grumpiest of the Grumpies:
As far as not being able to post an opinion that Les and odeon do not agree with - This is Intensity. Aren't we supposed to challenge (or embrace) ideas with passion? With argument? With just general bull headedness? You're able to post and anyone is able to answer.
As far as drama - I'm not a fan of the treatment Meadow, Penty, Richard, etc. get/got sometimes. Arguments that I'm not actively involved in scare me, always did, always will. Yes, I will on the very rare occasion post something that contributes to the argument. This is something I've always felt, so it's not a Grup vs Only (Grownups vs Onlies, from an old Star Trek episode) thing.
Do I like seeing nudes? Reading about constipation? guns? nudes? Nope, but I'll either skip the posts, make a joke about them or check on them periodically since so many of the threads go off track and end up somewhere else. It's my choice to avoid them.
I'll never be young, probably never like the music of the moment or the TV series of the moment, but then, who knows? I've got some good tips from Onlies. Do we need younger members? IMHO we need members who can be themselves. If you can't join at any age and find a spot for yourself, then you might not be Intense.
And BTW, I realize that my QV role playing with CBC is probably wearing on the membership. We've cut it back considerably recently.
Over and Out. I've finished making a doddering old fool of myself for now. And no, I'm not leaving, although, no one has asked.
I was going to reply to Odeons post, but its hard to explain my point to him, so I'll reply to this instead.
It seemed that Odeon and Les were being purposely dumb, but if you've misunderstood me, then I mustnt be explaining myself well at all.
I do not dislike the old people here. Yes, there is at least one I dislike, but that has nothing to do with age. Many of you are among my favorite members. I have never had a problem with your role-playing. I have always enjoyed sharing a board with you, and most of the other older people.
However, much as I like a lot of the older people, I also need some more people of a similar age to myself, whether biological, or emotionally.
And I think you're right. Im just not intense enough for this place anymore.
It seemed that Odeon and Les were being purposely dumb
I post about important stuff like creating an anarchy society, post in Latin etc, but no one is interested :thumbdn:
For something completely different, just checked my memory, thought mine was failing.....
People mentioning missing Randy, and the interaction they had with him. Some joined here joined after me. I could not remember ever having encountered Randy on this place, apart from posts he had left behind.
Indeed, last time (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?action=profile;u=71) he was active on this place was December 8 2007.
So, not senile yet.
Randy was online for a few weeks after I joined. Hes not the type Im likely to forget :laugh:
Im sure I just saw a post from you saying that twitter and other more modern social media might be a contributing factor in why there are so few young people now, but I cant find it to quote it.
You could well be right. I cant say I know anything about social media, apart from that it icks me out :laugh: I suppose people have more options for where to spend their time online, and it could be that forums are feeling it the most. It is also true that the "grumpies" are more likely to stay where they are, whilst younger people are more likely to try the new stuff. It could be that this problem is not exclusive to this forum.
I definitely dont think that its the reason why so many young people have stopped posting, but it could certainly be a large part of the reason why so few are coming along to replace them.
Okay, from the Grumpiest of the Grumpies:
As far as not being able to post an opinion that Les and odeon do not agree with - This is Intensity. Aren't we supposed to challenge (or embrace) ideas with passion? With argument? With just general bull headedness? You're able to post and anyone is able to answer.
As far as drama - I'm not a fan of the treatment Meadow, Penty, Richard, etc. get/got sometimes. Arguments that I'm not actively involved in scare me, always did, always will. Yes, I will on the very rare occasion post something that contributes to the argument. This is something I've always felt, so it's not a Grup vs Only (Grownups vs Onlies, from an old Star Trek episode) thing.
Do I like seeing nudes? Reading about constipation? guns? nudes? Nope, but I'll either skip the posts, make a joke about them or check on them periodically since so many of the threads go off track and end up somewhere else. It's my choice to avoid them.
I'll never be young, probably never like the music of the moment or the TV series of the moment, but then, who knows? I've got some good tips from Onlies. Do we need younger members? IMHO we need members who can be themselves. If you can't join at any age and find a spot for yourself, then you might not be Intense.
And BTW, I realize that my QV role playing with CBC is probably wearing on the membership. We've cut it back considerably recently.
Over and Out. I've finished making a doddering old fool of myself for now. And no, I'm not leaving, although, no one has asked.
I was going to reply to Odeons post, but its hard to explain my point to him, so I'll reply to this instead.
It seemed that Odeon and Les were being purposely dumb, but if you've misunderstood me, then I mustnt be explaining myself well at all.
I do not dislike the old people here. Yes, there is at least one I dislike, but that has nothing to do with age. Many of you are among my favorite members. I have never had a problem with your role-playing. I have always enjoyed sharing a board with you, and most of the other older people.
However, much as I like a lot of the older people, I also need some more people of a similar age to myself, whether biological, or emotionally.
And I think you're right. Im just not intense enough for this place anymore.
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't mean to imply that you should leave. I like your generally cheery (DO NOT FIX THIS TO CHEESY) attitude and playfulness. If we go back to posting nudes, will you stay?
Quote from: ButterfliesI think that the site needs to make a serious effort to start to engage with the youth.
This implies a conscious, site-wide policy, which in turn implies moderation. How would you go about achieving this?
I'm not about to apologise for my age, nor will I start acting in any other way than what feels comfortable and right to me. If somebody thinks I'm not young at heart or whatever, quite frankly I could not care less. Also, I'm not about to start treating members differently based on their age, and I'm not about to change the site itself based on some probably misguided conception of what the so-called youth might expect to see here.
Interestingly, no-one's explained what that might be or, conversely, what an old person's topics might consist of.
I suppose the terms "oldie" and "youngster" are slightly misleading here. There are some people here who are under 30, but are among the dullest people I've ever encountered, and here are plenty of people in their 40s here who I think are great.
:agreed: I guess it means "young at heart"
Although it GENERALLY corresponds to actual ages, I find
Definitely not always tho. And I include bodie in the "young" group
We oldies want bodie too. :2thumbsup:
And, we women want bodie too. :2thumbsup:
Us parents want bodie too. :2thumbsup:
The girl will get completely worn out, here on I2.
Even the men want bodie too, but there is no way that she fits that category. :orly:
Im obviously not really able to explain myself adequately at all here.
In fact, I'm just sorry that what I thought was a sensible post, giving my honest feelings on why this place appears to be going downhill, has been taken by yourself, and probably others I like, as some kind of criticism, or worse, an attack.
@ Butterflies - Wasn't taken as a criticism of me. Lord knows I've shocked more than one younger member here. I just wanted to shit stir and :mischief: for a change. Feeling quite contrary lately.
For something completely different, just checked my memory, thought mine was failing.....
People mentioning missing Randy, and the interaction they had with him. Some joined here joined after me. I could not remember ever having encountered Randy on this place, apart from posts he had left behind.
Indeed, last time (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?action=profile;u=71) he was active on this place was December 8 2007.
So, not senile yet.
Randy was online for a few weeks after I joined. Hes not the type Im likely to forget :laugh:
Im sure I just saw a post from you saying that twitter and other more modern social media might be a contributing factor in why there are so few young people now, but I cant find it to quote it.
You could well be right. I cant say I know anything about social media, apart from that it icks me out :laugh: I suppose people have more options for where to spend their time online, and it could be that forums are feeling it the most. It is also true that the "grumpies" are more likely to stay where they are, whilst younger people are more likely to try the new stuff. It could be that this problem is not exclusive to this forum.
I definitely dont think that its the reason why so many young people have stopped posting, but it could certainly be a large part of the reason why so few are coming along to replace them.
Yup, twitter, fb, and lots of other things.
When I2, AFF and WP started, there weren't that many other options. Not for people on the spectrum, and, the internet was still a vast wide place. Now there are so many places to go to and to join. And, the autistic population did not grow just as fast as the options. (despite that wretched epidemic).
It's just like in my village, in 5 years, the number of kids (mainly girls) being a member of the gymnastics club dropped to a third. Not because of the quality of the sports, but, because of the other options arising, within travelling distance, for girls. There's dancing, there's a girls football team. Belly button staring on what went wrong and why people left is not really helpful when done too long. Getting used to being a smaller group from now on, and keeping that as healthy and fun as possible is what there is left to do.
@ Butterflies - Wasn't taken as a criticism of me. Lord knows I've shocked more than one younger member here. I just wanted to shit stir and :mischief: for a change. Feeling quite contrary lately.
Ah, you've been enlightened, and have now reached the stage of the glorious old hag?
@ Butterflies - Wasn't taken as a criticism of me. Lord knows I've shocked more than one younger member here. I just wanted to shit stir and :mischief: for a change. Feeling quite contrary lately.
Take a deep breath, have a cup of tea, smile at yourself in the mirror, but, don't feel bad for stirring things up. If you feel bad, because people may take what you say as an attack, then you may trust the resilience of the members, and of yourself not enough. People who take it as an attack are able to defend themselves, and, probably even love it. If you don't want to be treated as an attacker, try to see what they see as an attack, and try to explain yourself better there, telling you did not mean it as an attack.
Nothing wrong with screwing things up now and then.
You'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
LOL, missed a whole page, in this debate.
A forum is a thing that slowly may get outdated. Newer social media are a lot faster, quicker, and, more social. And, that may be why "the young" are not joining in big numbers on I2.Im not sure that rebranding is the answer, but I do feel that the site is badly struggling right now. Im sure that different people will have different ideas on where its all gone wrong, and I'm also sure that there will be some who prefer the site as it is now.
Clearly the active membership has declined over the last year or so, and that does coincide with the time that a large amount of younger members stopped posting, or left altogether.
I can also say that as a young person myself, the relative absence of other young people on the site is the main reason why I think I dont find the site very interesting these days.
CBC's declining posting average is a bigger factor, tbh. As for "struggling", post something that you find interesting or something you think your age group might find interesting. Nothing is stopping you.
Someone needs to kick that Weeble in the ass.
This will sound truly pathetic to you, but the i2 of april 2010 is my ideal of how an internet forum should be. Its the only forum Ive ever used, and the only one Ive wanted to, not including Zomg or s2. The more the site gets less like it was then, the more frustrated I get with it.
For something completely different, just checked my memory, thought mine was failing.....
People mentioning missing Randy, and the interaction they had with him. Some joined here joined after me. I could not remember ever having encountered Randy on this place, apart from posts he had left behind.
Indeed, last time (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?action=profile;u=71) he was active on this place was December 8 2007.
So, not senile yet.
Randy was online for a few weeks after I joined. Hes not the type Im likely to forget :laugh:
Im sure I just saw a post from you saying that twitter and other more modern social media might be a contributing factor in why there are so few young people now, but I cant find it to quote it.
You could well be right. I cant say I know anything about social media, apart from that it icks me out :laugh: I suppose people have more options for where to spend their time online, and it could be that forums are feeling it the most. It is also true that the "grumpies" are more likely to stay where they are, whilst younger people are more likely to try the new stuff. It could be that this problem is not exclusive to this forum.
I definitely dont think that its the reason why so many young people have stopped posting, but it could certainly be a large part of the reason why so few are coming along to replace them.
Yup, twitter, fb, and lots of other things.
When I2, AFF and WP started, there weren't that many other options. Not for people on the spectrum, and, the internet was still a vast wide place. Now there are so many places to go to and to join. And, the autistic population did not grow just as fast as the options. (despite that wretched epidemic).
It's just like in my village, in 5 years, the number of kids (mainly girls) being a member of the gymnastics club dropped to a third. Not because of the quality of the sports, but, because of the other options arising, within travelling distance, for girls. There's dancing, there's a girls football team. Belly button staring on what went wrong and why people left is not really helpful when done too long. Getting used to being a smaller group from now on, and keeping that as healthy and fun as possible is what there is left to do.
I know youre right, and Im certainly not blaming anyone for the lack of new young people. It just saddens me that the place I loved is no longer the same.
I dont mean that in an "aspie scared of change" way.
This will sound truly pathetic to you, but the i2 of april 2010 is my ideal of how an internet forum should be. Its the only forum Ive ever used, and the only one Ive wanted to, not including Zomg or s2. The more the site gets less like it was then, the more frustrated I get with it.
You'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
I never said I was going anywhere :laugh:
You'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
I never said I was going anywhere :laugh:
Oh. :autism:
I might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
This will sound truly pathetic to you, but the i2 of april 2010 is my ideal of how an internet forum should be. Its the only forum Ive ever used, and the only one Ive wanted to, not including Zomg or s2. The more the site gets less like it was then, the more frustrated I get with it.
Not that pathetic.
But, the site is alive, it changes, and will keep on changing.
Hope you can let the ideal image be a good memory, and be able to see what good there is now in this place. And, also what is lousy of course. It isn't what it was in 2010. You are not what you were in 2010. Even if a miracle could change this place back to what it was then, it would not be the same, because you have changed.
Quote from: ButterfliesI think that the site needs to make a serious effort to start to engage with the youth.
This implies a conscious, site-wide policy, which in turn implies moderation. How would you go about achieving this?
I'm not about to apologise for my age, nor will I start acting in any other way than what feels comfortable and right to me. If somebody thinks I'm not young at heart or whatever, quite frankly I could not care less. Also, I'm not about to start treating members differently based on their age, and I'm not about to change the site itself based on some probably misguided conception of what the so-called youth might expect to see here.
Interestingly, no-one's explained what that might be or, conversely, what an old person's topics might consist of.
1.) I engage with people of all ages, aided by my own immaturity. :stick:
2.) Adam may be young in years, but he's a cranky old man at heart! * :oldman:
3.) Old people love to talk about their fallen arches. Lately mine are killing me! :prude:
This will sound truly pathetic to you, but the i2 of april 2010 is my ideal of how an internet forum should be. Its the only forum Ive ever used, and the only one Ive wanted to, not including Zomg or s2. The more the site gets less like it was then, the more frustrated I get with it.
Not that pathetic.
But, the site is alive, it changes, and will keep on changing.
Hope you can let the ideal image be a good memory, and be able to see what good there is now in this place. And, also what is lousy of course. It isn't what it was in 2010. You are not what you were in 2010. Even if a miracle could change this place back to what it was then, it would not be the same, because you have changed.
Ive thought about that dilemma a few times. I know that I should leave this site while its still a great memory. Remember it as the place that helped me through the hardest time of my adult life, and be glad that I was here through the "golden years" :laugh:
Other times, I just want to come back and try and make the site be good again :facepalm2: And if it isnt going to be good again, then it needs :whipped: :dom:
I know what I should do, but I just know that every so often Im gonna do the stupid thing :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
This will sound truly pathetic to you, but the i2 of april 2010 is my ideal of how an internet forum should be. Its the only forum Ive ever used, and the only one Ive wanted to, not including Zomg or s2. The more the site gets less like it was then, the more frustrated I get with it.
Not that pathetic.
But, the site is alive, it changes, and will keep on changing.
Hope you can let the ideal image be a good memory, and be able to see what good there is now in this place. And, also what is lousy of course. It isn't what it was in 2010. You are not what you were in 2010. Even if a miracle could change this place back to what it was then, it would not be the same, because you have changed.
Ive thought about that dilemma a few times. I know that I should leave this site while its still a great memory. Remember it as the place that helped me through the hardest time of my adult life, and be glad that I was here through the "golden years" :laugh:
Other times, I just want to come back and try and make the site be good again :facepalm2: And if it isnt going to be good again, then it needs :whipped: :dom:
I know what I should do, but I just know that every so often Im gonna do the stupid thing :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
I think that this place is what it is now. Back then it is what it was then. It does not need fixing any more than it needing fixing then. It was the sum of its experience and its membership direction, it is the same now.
It is simply different to what it was then.
I would have preferred the Bint, Eris, Scrap, Squiddy and Butterflies of then to the same now. People change though and that is OK.
You'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
I never said I was going anywhere :laugh:
Oh. :autism:
I might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
I have a weak spot for Squiddy.:agreed:
I don't think he left out of boredom though.
I never saw Scrappy as young.....
EBM comes and goes, he always did, he probably always will. Nice to see him when he pops up though.
I have a weak spot for Squiddy.:agreed:
I don't think he left out of boredom though.
I never saw Scrappy as young.....
EBM comes and goes, he always did, he probably always will. Nice to see him when he pops up though.
And EBM will always come and go. Being gone more during his busy season at work and back when he's in the off season. He puts in a lot of hours at work.
As everything else, it always goes in cycles. It will pick up and it will drop off again.
You'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
I never said I was going anywhere :laugh:
Oh. :autism:
I might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
I would hugely love to keep in contact, but Skype would kill me. I cant even manage MSN. Forums seem to suit my social anxiety :laugh:
Zomg still exists. If you just wanted a little forum to hang out with your mates on, it could be used.
You'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
I never said I was going anywhere :laugh:
Oh. :autism:
I might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
I would hugely love to keep in contact, but Skype would kill me. I cant even manage MSN. Forums seem to suit my social anxiety :laugh:
Zomg still exists. If you just wanted a little forum to hang out with your mates on, it could be used.
I shyed away from ZOMG since no one really posted. I tried to talk to people via email but that didn't work either.
I was thinking of maybe forming a facebook group for us lot, that way we can have a somewhat forum-like experience while keeping it a bit social too. Thoughts?
And I didnt forget about Calavera.
You didn't mention him, so it was a fair assumption to make.
No, because (again) you're missing the point - Butterflies is not seperating the membership into under 30s and over 30s
You are missing my point, which is that Butterflies did in fact not mention Calavera. Bloody spazz.
You'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
I never said I was going anywhere :laugh:
Oh. :autism:
I might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
I would hugely love to keep in contact, but Skype would kill me. I cant even manage MSN. Forums seem to suit my social anxiety :laugh:
Zomg still exists. If you just wanted a little forum to hang out with your mates on, it could be used.
I shyed away from ZOMG since no one really posted. I tried to talk to people via email but that didn't work either.
I was thinking of maybe forming a facebook group for us lot, that way we can have a somewhat forum-like experience while keeping it a bit social too. Thoughts?
I'd join a facebook group, but would prefer it be "secret" - lol iirc that's the term facebook use, not mine - as I'd rather keep it seperate so my posts in there don't show up to IRL people and family.
Is there an Assbook? Since everyone's rear pretty much looks alike we'd be assured of anonymity.
Is there an Assbook? Since everyone's rear pretty much looks alike we'd be assured of anonymity.
Yes.
http://www.ass-book.com/ (http://www.ass-book.com/)
But I think Nudebook looks more fun :bounce:
http://baredanmark.dk/lang-en/nyheder-othermenu-64/1-nyeste/111-nudebook (http://baredanmark.dk/lang-en/nyheder-othermenu-64/1-nyeste/111-nudebook)
I'd join a facebook group, but would prefer it be "secret" - lol iirc that's the term facebook use, not mine - as I'd rather keep it seperate so my posts in there don't show up to IRL people and family.
I was going to reply to Odeons post, but its hard to explain my point to him, so I'll reply to this instead.
It seemed that Odeon and Les were being purposely dumb, but if you've misunderstood me, then I mustnt be explaining myself well at all.
I do not dislike the old people here. Yes, there is at least one I dislike, but that has nothing to do with age. Many of you are among my favorite members. I have never had a problem with your role-playing. I have always enjoyed sharing a board with you, and most of the other older people.
However, much as I like a lot of the older people, I also need some more people of a similar age to myself, whether biological, or emotionally.
And I think you're right. Im just not intense enough for this place anymore.
I was going to reply to Odeons post, but its hard to explain my point to him, so I'll reply to this instead.
It seemed that Odeon and Les were being purposely dumb, but if you've misunderstood me, then I mustnt be explaining myself well at all.
I do not dislike the old people here. Yes, there is at least one I dislike, but that has nothing to do with age. Many of you are among my favorite members. I have never had a problem with your role-playing. I have always enjoyed sharing a board with you, and most of the other older people.
However, much as I like a lot of the older people, I also need some more people of a similar age to myself, whether biological, or emotionally.
And I think you're right. Im just not intense enough for this place anymore.
"Purposefully dumb"?
Still waiting for your definitions/explanations re age. Should I grab my overnight kit?
Not at all. It never seemed that way and the only way one would jump to that conclusion is to presume that what I or Odeon was stating in very concrete terms, we were lying about.
This board seems to me to be about socializing. We come on here to hang out with our mates. As much as I like many of the older members, I need to have people that are younger as well.
To use your pub analogy, when you were 22, its unlikely youd have been a regular in a pub where all the punters were miles older than you. You might have liked a lot of them, and seen them as friends, but if it didnt have at least a decent amount of people your own age, its unlikely youd be a regular. At least, thats how I feel, and most people I know tend to hang out with people of roughly their own age, more than people of wildly different ages.
You'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
I never said I was going anywhere :laugh:
Oh. :autism:
I might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
Having now read the rest of the thread, I can't help comparing it with some incidents in the past when some people were bitching about I2 and formed Zomg or S2 or some such grouping. It's an FB group this time, and the similarities are noteworthy.
There is no attempt to explain the whys or to start a thread about something they want to read and talk about. Nothing about what doesn't work. Nothing to change anything, only to bitch about the place and some of its "old" people, without naming or explaining or otherwise qualifying.
I'd think it was easier to simply say that you want to hang you with people you like. That's what I do, here.
Just a few things and at risk of repeating myself over and over, I think I would like to have this clarified.
If you are not talking young or old in biological terms then what is the term you are associating with young and old?
If it is emotional or mental, then what is your term of reference? How do you measure against their actual age and their (emotional/mental?) age? How do you measure them up against others? What aspects of them do you configure their "age" against (apart from how they type on a keyboard)?
These are serious questions because of this.
There was a time that you and Adam and Squid in particular decided to go to extreme lengths to drive a propaganda campaign here about this place being crap, that there were too many older people, that the older people were no good and the site was failing, that the older people were part of a clique and so on. The answer was to encourage everyone who was young (and cool) to leave here and go to Spasticity and later to Zomgreloaded). When you started getting back up early in the piece by Scrap and a couple of the others who were older you all welcomed them in and amended earlier comments to allow young at heart or some such.
The sites did not do so well. The young clique broke down a bit. (Eris and Bint had a falling out and Squiddy and Scrap stopped posting on forums, etc). Now with the MLA starting this thread showing a drop in activity, I see you dragging up dead and buried ideologies. Ones that died a well deserved death back then.
I see you making overtures as to vibrance and young people here. One does not equate to the other so why are you making these associations?
Why are you suggesting that the place is dying when it has mant times in the last 6 or so years had times of similar levels or worse inactivity and never died? What is the purpose in stating it is dying?
Why are you inferring that the young people left because of the old or because of the culture?
Are you really just saying that you would like more people that you like here and that you would call them "young"?
I do not understand why you are doing and saying the above but would be very grateful if you could clarify this.
This will sound truly pathetic to you, but the i2 of april 2010 is my ideal of how an internet forum should be. Its the only forum Ive ever used, and the only one Ive wanted to, not including Zomg or s2. The more the site gets less like it was then, the more frustrated I get with it.
Not that pathetic.
But, the site is alive, it changes, and will keep on changing.
Hope you can let the ideal image be a good memory, and be able to see what good there is now in this place. And, also what is lousy of course. It isn't what it was in 2010. You are not what you were in 2010. Even if a miracle could change this place back to what it was then, it would not be the same, because you have changed.
Ive thought about that dilemma a few times. I know that I should leave this site while its still a great memory. Remember it as the place that helped me through the hardest time of my adult life, and be glad that I was here through the "golden years" :laugh:
Other times, I just want to come back and try and make the site be good again :facepalm2: And if it isnt going to be good again, then it needs :whipped: :dom:
I know what I should do, but I just know that every so often Im gonna do the stupid thing :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
I fall in and out with FB. I only go there to play the games.
I don't know if an arcade would be welcomed by the younger ones. I thought the one at zomg was good and it seemed to be used a lot. I think Odeon said it wasn't possible at the time when i asked him about having one here.
It is the only alteration i can think of that might be of interest to the young ones.
I fall in and out with FB. I only go there to play the games.
I don't know if an arcade would be welcomed by the younger ones. I thought the one at zomg was good and it seemed to be used a lot. I think Odeon said it wasn't possible at the time when i asked him about having one here.
It is the only alteration i can think of that might be of interest to the young ones.
The game mod wasn't suitable for SMF v2, the last time I looked. I could check again. :dunno:
I fall in and out with FB. I only go there to play the games.
I don't know if an arcade would be welcomed by the younger ones. I thought the one at zomg was good and it seemed to be used a lot. I think Odeon said it wasn't possible at the time when i asked him about having one here.
It is the only alteration i can think of that might be of interest to the young ones.
The game mod wasn't suitable for SMF v2, the last time I looked. I could check again. :dunno:
Woooohoooo
you moved pretty swift for an old 'un then? ;)
...and i am not even sure if that would help.
I might appear to be altruistic, but the truth is i just want the games for myself :zoinks:
me me me me me me me me me
Mostly the smaller ones, though. :P
Mostly the smaller ones, though. :P
It's a start. As we grow in selfishness, we will grow in strength! :arrr:
Mostly the smaller ones, though. :P
It's a start. As we grow in selfishness, we will grow in strength! :arrr:
I'm moving Mount Everest! :arrr:
Mostly the smaller ones, though. :P
It's a start. As we grow in selfishness, we will grow in strength! :arrr:
I'm moving Mount Everest! :arrr:
Where will you put it?
Mostly the smaller ones, though. :P
It's a start. As we grow in selfishness, we will grow in strength! :arrr:
I'm moving Mount Everest! :arrr:
Where will you put it?
On the Netherlands. You people need a proper hill. :P
Mostly the smaller ones, though. :P
It's a start. As we grow in selfishness, we will grow in strength! :arrr:
I'm moving Mount Everest! :arrr:
Where will you put it?
On the Netherlands. You people need a proper hill. :P
Successful thread is successful :)
I was just complaining that I haven't had any noobs to abuse for a while :(
Successful thread is successful :)
I was just complaining that I haven't had any noobs to abuse for a while :(
Plenty of people to abuse here. Must it be n00bs? :zoinks:
This board seems to me to be about socializing. We come on here to hang out with our mates. As much as I like many of the older members, I need to have people that are younger as well.
To use your pub analogy, when you were 22, its unlikely youd have been a regular in a pub where all the punters were miles older than you. You might have liked a lot of them, and seen them as friends, but if it didnt have at least a decent amount of people your own age, its unlikely youd be a regular. At least, thats how I feel, and most people I know tend to hang out with people of roughly their own age, more than people of wildly different ages.
You've done this part a few times and much as I'd like to nod in agreement, I can't because it's as confusing as the rest and I'm beginning to think that you are actively avoiding my question. See, the above might work as an explanation if it was about physical age. I'd think "fine, she wants to hang out with other 20-yo's or whatever her age is". No biggie.
But then Adam chimes in and says that me and Les are being deliberately obtuse (my choice of words) because it's not about physical age. And so me the rationalist wants to know what it is about, then. How is "young" defined in this case? How is "old" explained? (Sort of beside the point but I never knew I was "old" until this thread.)
Some members are mentioned by name, of which a few are posting still and others have left for various reasons. These members are mostly physically younger than I am, but some are in their 40s and I'm struggling to understand what it is that they do that is "young", so I ask again.
I also ask if this young/old thing is more about grouping people in likes/dislikes, which also is fine but this is left without comment, too.
But no answers, no explanations. Just that deliberately dumb thing.
I don't know what to think. Except that it creates drama which creates posts.
You have me, Adam, and Schleed. 3 of the few young people left on your site, all telling you more or less the same thing. That the site now holds no interest for us
You have me, Adam, and Schleed. 3 of the few young people left on your site, all telling you more or less the same thing. That the site now holds no interest for us
I must have missed where Schleed and Adam said that.
And yes, me and Schleed are still posting, but not much. I come here out of habit mainly. I no longer think of this place as a forum I properly contribute to. Can't speak for Schleed, but from what he;s posted in the past, I'm guessing he too finds the place kinda boring these days as well
So yeah, while I haven't left, I definitely don't consider myself a properly active member anymore. Maybe a little more this week to post about the election etc, but generally, no. If I hadn't been here for so many years and wasn't so used to checking it every day, I probably wouldn't be here at all
You'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
I never said I was going anywhere :laugh:
Oh. :autism:
I might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
You have me, Adam, and Schleed. 3 of the few young people left on your site, all telling you more or less the same thing. That the site now holds no interest for us
I must have missed where Schleed and Adam said that.And yes, me and Schleed are still posting, but not much. I come here out of habit mainly. I no longer think of this place as a forum I properly contribute to. Can't speak for Schleed, but from what he;s posted in the past, I'm guessing he too finds the place kinda boring these days as well
So yeah, while I haven't left, I definitely don't consider myself a properly active member anymore. Maybe a little more this week to post about the election etc, but generally, no. If I hadn't been here for so many years and wasn't so used to checking it every day, I probably wouldn't be here at allYou'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
I never said I was going anywhere :laugh:
Oh. :autism:
I might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
You have me, Adam, and Schleed. 3 of the few young people left on your site, all telling you more or less the same thing. That the site now holds no interest for us
I must have missed where Schleed and Adam said that.And yes, me and Schleed are still posting, but not much. I come here out of habit mainly. I no longer think of this place as a forum I properly contribute to. Can't speak for Schleed, but from what he;s posted in the past, I'm guessing he too finds the place kinda boring these days as well
So yeah, while I haven't left, I definitely don't consider myself a properly active member anymore. Maybe a little more this week to post about the election etc, but generally, no. If I hadn't been here for so many years and wasn't so used to checking it every day, I probably wouldn't be here at allYou'll come back. Not even shleed escapes shleed's law.
I never said I was going anywhere :laugh:
Oh. :autism:
I might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
I don't see "the site holds no interest for me" in any of those posts. Even if you are claiming this yourself, your continued posting in this thread shows that isn't actually the case. :)
Adam, Butterflies and Shleed.
I've been starting what I thought were interesting/thoughtful/intense threads that might appeal to a younger crowd. Evidently I'm way out of touch. How about helping a rapidly aging Queen out here and start some threads that you think would work?
This board seems to me to be about socializing. We come on here to hang out with our mates. As much as I like many of the older members, I need to have people that are younger as well.
To use your pub analogy, when you were 22, its unlikely youd have been a regular in a pub where all the punters were miles older than you. You might have liked a lot of them, and seen them as friends, but if it didnt have at least a decent amount of people your own age, its unlikely youd be a regular. At least, thats how I feel, and most people I know tend to hang out with people of roughly their own age, more than people of wildly different ages.
You've done this part a few times and much as I'd like to nod in agreement, I can't because it's as confusing as the rest and I'm beginning to think that you are actively avoiding my question. See, the above might work as an explanation if it was about physical age. I'd think "fine, she wants to hang out with other 20-yo's or whatever her age is". No biggie.
But then Adam chimes in and says that me and Les are being deliberately obtuse (my choice of words) because it's not about physical age. And so me the rationalist wants to know what it is about, then. How is "young" defined in this case? How is "old" explained? (Sort of beside the point but I never knew I was "old" until this thread.)
Some members are mentioned by name, of which a few are posting still and others have left for various reasons. These members are mostly physically younger than I am, but some are in their 40s and I'm struggling to understand what it is that they do that is "young", so I ask again.
I also ask if this young/old thing is more about grouping people in likes/dislikes, which also is fine but this is left without comment, too.
But no answers, no explanations. Just that deliberately dumb thing.
I don't know what to think. Except that it creates drama which creates posts.
TBH, some people fully get what I mean, and others dont. If you dont get it, then I doubt if you'll ever understand, no matter how many times I try to explain.
You have me, Adam, and Schleed. 3 of the few young people left on your site, all telling you more or less the same thing. That the site now holds no interest for us, to the extent that none of us really seem to be happy here.
Your main concern appears to be winning this "argument" with me. For me, that just totally sums up what this site has become.
You keep bringing up the failure of Zomg and s2. All Zomg and s2 really prove is that a decent chunk of the membership here are so dissatisfied with this place that they feel the need to try to create a new place to hang out.
tbh It's not important to me anymore really. I don't want to get interested in this place again as I spend enough time on the internet as it is. I think it's a shame if the place does just stay as the Retirement Home, but for me personally I'm no longer bothered. I doubt I will go back to considering myself a proper member here again
I might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
Just to clairfy, Odeon is right on this. It's not people's ages that put me off, otherwise I would not be talking to awesome members like Misskitty and such.Hold up...are you saying I'm OLD??!!! :lol1:
Reading Schleed's reply, his answer makes a lot more sense than the bs about young people. He says:QuoteI might make a forum or try and maintain contact with you lot outside i2, ie. Skype. The only reason I went on here again is the lack of interaction with people I actually like.
People, not age. Now don't you think that is refreshingly honest?
Just to clairfy, Odeon is right on this. It's not people's ages that put me off, otherwise I would not be talking to awesome members like Misskitty and such.
If anything, I really can't put my finger on it. At first I thought it was the "grumpy old man" mentality some members have here, but it's more complex than that. I'll just put it up to boredom if you want the simple explanation.
Age comes with experience. :eyebrows:This is true :cfm:
>:DAge comes with experience. :eyebrows:This is true :cfm:
Adam, Butterflies and Shleed.
I've been starting what I thought were interesting/thoughtful/intense threads that might appeal to a younger crowd. Evidently I'm way out of touch. How about helping a rapidly aging Queen out here and start some threads that you think would work?
Adam, Butterflies and Shleed.
I've been starting what I thought were interesting/thoughtful/intense threads that might appeal to a younger crowd. Evidently I'm way out of touch. How about helping a rapidly aging Queen out here and start some threads that you think would work?
My apologies, Schleed, for misspelling your name.
Adam, Butterflies and Shleed.
I've been starting what I thought were interesting/thoughtful/intense threads that might appeal to a younger crowd. Evidently I'm way out of touch. How about helping a rapidly aging Queen out here and start some threads that you think would work?
My apologies, Schleed, for misspelling your name.
Shleed is the correct spelling.
Adam, Butterflies and Shleed.
I've been starting what I thought were interesting/thoughtful/intense threads that might appeal to a younger crowd. Evidently I'm way out of touch. How about helping a rapidly aging Queen out here and start some threads that you think would work?
My apologies, Schleed, for misspelling your name.
Shleed is the correct spelling.
Okay? Then why does it say Schleed?
Well, let me put my two cents in again.
Back in the old Intensity days we had nudes, dicks, sexual innuendo, teasing, etc. Sort of a locker room mentality. We also bashed (rightly or wrongly) richard, penty, razorbeard, etc. We posted less about problems (Adam excepted) and had a more light-hearted attitude about the site.
Could this be in part what people are missing?
Well, let me put my two cents in again.
Back in the old Intensity days we had nudes, dicks, sexual innuendo, teasing, etc. Sort of a locker room mentality. We also bashed (rightly or wrongly) richard, penty, razorbeard, etc. We posted less about problems (Adam excepted) and had a more light-hearted attitude about the site.
Could this be in part what people are missing?
Just so i think I know what you mean Butterflies.
The problem that you three members of this site have is that their are older people here, but some of those older people are fine.
That there has been some younger members who have left for various reason but not as to the age of people on here.
That you want it to change but do not wish to actually do anything to change it or suggest ways in which it ought to change
You believe that myself and Odeon are antagonistic towards you and ought not be...for some reason.
You believe that asking to have vague positions clarified is akin to being antagonistic
You seem to be pushing for another off-forum meet up for the younger members (like Spasticity and Zomgaspies) and denouncing IntensitySquared
You seem to say that You, Adam and Shleed may leave or cut back on posting....and we need to make things better for you if we want you to post more.
Is that the crux?
If so....I gotta say i am quite happy with the place. If you can give constructive advice on this place and be less vague that would be super. If you and whomever else want to leave or reduce your posting then OK.
Is that what I should have got out of all of this?
Beyond that, what does it matter?
Beyond that, what does it matter?
I don't get why this has turned into such a big deal either. Im sure we allhave our opinions on why a forum dies down or gets boring (in our eyes). What's so controversial about saying it seems more like a retirement home?
Adam, Butterflies and Shleed.
I've been starting what I thought were interesting/thoughtful/intense threads that might appeal to a younger crowd. Evidently I'm way out of touch. How about helping a rapidly aging Queen out here and start some threads that you think would work?
My apologies, Schleed, for misspelling your name.
Shleed is the correct spelling.
Okay? Then why does it say Schleed?
Because I have an old account that was banned, which is named "Shleed".
QV has pretty much nailed it.
And no. I havent pushed for another off-forum meet-up, although Schleed has created one, and I am a member.
Beyond that, what does it matter? MLA created graphs that showed the huge drop in activity. I gave my opinion on what I felt was part of the problem.
Are my opinions really so important that they warrant this level of scrutiny? Most of the time, when people cant understand the point Im trying to make, they give up after a couple of minutes and smile politely. Youre still going strong after a couple of days ???
If we stop using the age thing, will that put an end to this ridiculous argument? I'm surprised any of you PREFER to be called boring than old - personlly I thought we were being more polite with "old" :laugh:
I stick with the Retirement Home thing though, as that has struck me as being an accurate description of what this place generally is for quite a long time. I cant be arsed explaining it though as this isn't an argument Im particularly interested in, and I don't see why it matters
For what it's worth, I've found this place a little more interesting over the last few days than I have over the rest of the last yeaer, but still not enough for me to stick around or get drawn into it if I wasn't already so used to being here
Beyond that, what does it matter?
I don't get why this has turned into such a big deal either. Im sure we allhave our opinions on why a forum dies down or gets boring (in our eyes). What's so controversial about saying it seems more like a retirement home?
I cant help but feel that this would have died down ages ago if it wasnt the fact that it was me who made the comment.
Well, let me put my two cents in again.
Back in the old Intensity days we had nudes, dicks, sexual innuendo, teasing, etc. Sort of a locker room mentality. We also bashed (rightly or wrongly) richard, penty, razorbeard, etc. We posted less about problems (Adam excepted) and had a more light-hearted attitude about the site.
Could this be in part what people are missing?
???
Just so i think I know what you mean Butterflies.
The problem that you three members of this site have is that their are older people here, but some of those older people are fine.
That there has been some younger members who have left for various reason but not as to the age of people on here.
That you want it to change but do not wish to actually do anything to change it or suggest ways in which it ought to change
You believe that myself and Odeon are antagonistic towards you and ought not be...for some reason.
You believe that asking to have vague positions clarified is akin to being antagonistic
You seem to be pushing for another off-forum meet up for the younger members (like Spasticity and Zomgaspies) and denouncing IntensitySquared
You seem to say that You, Adam and Shleed may leave or cut back on posting....and we need to make things better for you if we want you to post more.
Is that the crux?
If so....I gotta say i am quite happy with the place. If you can give constructive advice on this place and be less vague that would be super. If you and whomever else want to leave or reduce your posting then OK.
Is that what I should have got out of all of this?
QV has pretty much nailed it.
And no. I havent pushed for another off-forum meet-up, although Schleed has created one, and I am a member.
Beyond that, what does it matter? MLA created graphs that showed the huge drop in activity. I gave my opinion on what I felt was part of the problem.
Are my opinions really so important that they warrant this level of scrutiny? Most of the time, when people cant understand the point Im trying to make, they give up after a couple of minutes and smile politely. Youre still going strong after a couple of days ???
All good though. That is just an answer to what you asked.
I guess if anyone leaves they can. I guess if anyone wants to post the kind of things they like posting, then that is ok too. I guess if anyone wants to do their own thing that is cool too. No one here is responsible for anyone else or is ultimately responsible for anyone's enjoyment.
I think if someone wants to see more jokes they ought to start posting more and get the ball rolling
If someone wants to see more nudes, then they ought to star posting more and get the ball rolling
If someone wants to see more teasing then they should start......you could start teasing me for example.
At times there has been a tendency to over analyse comments and pick them apart. I know i will get accused of siding with the youth here so i am not going to go on about it too much. However you justify the callouts, reprimands, or whatever i do feel it puts people off commenting. Young people who may be on the spectrum or who may be nervous about voicing their opinions anyway just won't bother if they think they will get torn apart.
Perhaps i just mean 'lighten up, everyone'
When i joined spasticity there was one person that really shocked me. Crip. She hardly said a word here, and was very reserved. However, she was totally different on spasticity. She proved to be a real Miss Personality. A real lively, bright young person who was full of ideas and new posts. So, why was she not like that here?
I don't really care to be honest. I don't spend that much time here. I was just making a suggestion as to why young people don't seem to be coming here in droves.
It really is the membership that is here that dictates the atmosphere. If that is not an atmosphere that suits young people then i guess they need to find somewhere else. As they have been trying to.
I see it as a kind of like it or lump it thing and i can't muster any energy to try and change it. So, am lumping it i guess. My two penneth worth. Nearly didn't bother. Just killing some time.
Quote from: butterfliesI don't get why this has turned into such a big deal either. Im sure we allhave our opinions on why a forum dies down or gets boring (in our eyes). What's so controversial about saying it seems more like a retirement home?
If you think that is what it is about, you've missed pretty much the whole point.
Heyyy, i never said 'leaving in droves' i did say they weren't joining in droves. It was in the thread that members see when they become elders. I forget the name of it. I know someone posted in there just to say how quiet it was.
I really don't think age is relevant. Or a problem. Not even sure about what the problem is or if it even exists. Just responding as it seems to be there for some.
I am off to play some fb games. :LOL:
Well, let me put my two cents in again.
Back in the old Intensity days we had nudes, dicks, sexual innuendo, teasing, etc. Sort of a locker room mentality. We also bashed (rightly or wrongly) richard, penty, razorbeard, etc. We posted less about problems (Adam excepted) and had a more light-hearted attitude about the site.
Could this be in part what people are missing?
Yes. Totally yes. Things were great then.
That is exactly what I missed.
I still say it's just a phase. Something will happen to get everyone fired back up again, word spreads, people start returning. Then eventually it dies down again. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. I've been on forums for a long time and that always seems to be the case.Well, let me put my two cents in again.
Back in the old Intensity days we had nudes, dicks, sexual innuendo, teasing, etc. Sort of a locker room mentality. We also bashed (rightly or wrongly) richard, penty, razorbeard, etc. We posted less about problems (Adam excepted) and had a more light-hearted attitude about the site.
Could this be in part what people are missing?
Yes. Totally yes. Things were great then.
That is exactly what I missed.
Richard is still being bashed plenty, as would Penty if he were around and acting as though he deserved it.. Is it the dicks that everyone misses? :dunno:
I still say it's just a phase. Something will happen to get everyone fired back up again, word spreads, people start returning. Then eventually it dies down again. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. I've been on forums for a long time and that always seems to be the case.Well, let me put my two cents in again.
Back in the old Intensity days we had nudes, dicks, sexual innuendo, teasing, etc. Sort of a locker room mentality. We also bashed (rightly or wrongly) richard, penty, razorbeard, etc. We posted less about problems (Adam excepted) and had a more light-hearted attitude about the site.
Could this be in part what people are missing?
Yes. Totally yes. Things were great then.
That is exactly what I missed.
Richard is still being bashed plenty, as would Penty if he were around and acting as though he deserved it.. Is it the dicks that everyone misses? :dunno:
QV has pretty much nailed it.
And no. I havent pushed for another off-forum meet-up, although Schleed has created one, and I am a member.
Beyond that, what does it matter? MLA created graphs that showed the huge drop in activity. I gave my opinion on what I felt was part of the problem.
Are my opinions really so important that they warrant this level of scrutiny? Most of the time, when people cant understand the point Im trying to make, they give up after a couple of minutes and smile politely. Youre still going strong after a couple of days ???
You gave your opinion of MLA's graph and I've tried to understand what you were saying ever since. Do you think it's wrong of me to want that clarified? This is a site based on opinion and argument, in addition to boobs. What did you expect?
I'm glad you've finally admitted to pretty much what I said all along: it's about people, not age.
I'm glad you've finally admitted to pretty much what I said all along: it's about people, not age.Im not fully sure I agree. There are different issues.
I cant help but feel that this would have died down ages ago if it wasnt the fact that it was me who made the comment.
Pot kettle black. Would you have continued if it had been somebody else than me and Les replying?
Just so i think I know what you mean Butterflies.
The problem that you three members of this site have is that their are older people here, but some of those older people are fine.
That there has been some younger members who have left for various reason but not as to the age of people on here.
That you want it to change but do not wish to actually do anything to change it or suggest ways in which it ought to change
You believe that myself and Odeon are antagonistic towards you and ought not be...for some reason.
You believe that asking to have vague positions clarified is akin to being antagonistic
You seem to be pushing for another off-forum meet up for the younger members (like Spasticity and Zomgaspies) and denouncing IntensitySquared
You seem to say that You, Adam and Shleed may leave or cut back on posting....and we need to make things better for you if we want you to post more.
Is that the crux?
If so....I gotta say i am quite happy with the place. If you can give constructive advice on this place and be less vague that would be super. If you and whomever else want to leave or reduce your posting then OK.
Is that what I should have got out of all of this?
QV has pretty much nailed it.
And no. I havent pushed for another off-forum meet-up, although Schleed has created one, and I am a member.
Beyond that, what does it matter? MLA created graphs that showed the huge drop in activity. I gave my opinion on what I felt was part of the problem.
Are my opinions really so important that they warrant this level of scrutiny? Most of the time, when people cant understand the point Im trying to make, they give up after a couple of minutes and smile politely. Youre still going strong after a couple of days ???
I dunno.
I think that a big part of the reason was that it was an opinion on the viability and value of the site which will always get my attention. Normally it is someone like Meadow saying "You guys are shit and your site is shit and it will burn in hell" kind of thing, which will get a reaction but a fairly dismissive one.
Something a little bit more reasoned will get a bit more input from me.
Another big part of it is that it was you and it was you seeming to indicate or infer something as what you were saying looked vague. So I was "(antagonistically"?) asking to clarify what you were saying and what you weren't.
A further part to things of course is I was having a bit of a deja vu moment.
It felt to me vaguely familiar.
You , Adam, Shleed.
Saying something against the oldies or the established senior members here or the site in general - due to these members
Promoting the younger members here
Suggesting an alternative to spending time elsewhere
Suggesting change here because the site is no good
All of this seemed like it happened once before. I trying to remember. I vaguely remember Squiddy and Bint were involved and it was not quite as cordial.
All good though. That is just an answer to what you asked.
I guess if anyone leaves they can. I guess if anyone wants to post the kind of things they like posting, then that is ok too. I guess if anyone wants to do their own thing that is cool too. No one here is responsible for anyone else or is ultimately responsible for anyone's enjoyment.
I think if someone wants to see more jokes they ought to start posting more and get the ball rolling
If someone wants to see more nudes, then they ought to star posting more and get the ball rolling
If someone wants to see more teasing then they should start......you could start teasing me for example. :asthing:
Well, let me put my two cents in again.
Back in the old Intensity days we had nudes, dicks, sexual innuendo, teasing, etc. Sort of a locker room mentality. We also bashed (rightly or wrongly) richard, penty, razorbeard, etc. We posted less about problems (Adam excepted) and had a more light-hearted attitude about the site.
Could this be in part what people are missing?
Yes. Totally yes. Things were great then.
That is exactly what I missed.
Richard is still being bashed plenty, as would Penty if he were around and acting as though he deserved it.. Is it the dicks that everyone misses? :dunno:
So, some two hundred and seventy something posts later, after MLA posted his graphs, people are still posting about how great it is and there is nothing wrong. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
:tard:
Quote from: butterfliesI don't get why this has turned into such a big deal either. Im sure we allhave our opinions on why a forum dies down or gets boring (in our eyes). What's so controversial about saying it seems more like a retirement home?
If you think that is what it is about, you've missed pretty much the whole point.
What are you saying it's about?
Edited to fix the quotes
I actually do agree with you. I don't think it's rosy in the garden at all. It all feels a bit "flat" for lack of a better term. Why it feels that way and how to change it? I really don't know. But I also know i'm not one for drama. I have so much of it in my day to day life the past few years that I've had my fill and I walk away when I see it happening elsewhere. So for me flat is A-OK at the moment :P But that's not going to appeal to anyone and interest will drop. I totally get that.So, some two hundred and seventy something posts later, after MLA posted his graphs, people are still posting about how great it is and there is nothing wrong. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
:tard:
I have to admit, I cant understand how anyone can say the sites OK at the moment.
I can totally get MKs point that it will pick up again, and I hope she's right. She might well be.
I can fully respect people disagreeing with my opinions on where the site is failing. Its very possible that my opinion is wrong, and this sites downturn has nothing to do with the fact that it has so few young people involved now.
It might even be the case that despite what I say, there are other ways to revitalize the site that dont involve encouraging youth a bit more.
However, to suggest that things are rosy in the i2 garden right now, seems like sticking their head in the sand.
I cant help but feel that this would have died down ages ago if it wasnt the fact that it was me who made the comment.
Pot kettle black. Would you have continued if it had been somebody else than me and Les replying?
Absolutely yes. TBH, I would prefer to never interact with Les again. Its highly unlikely I would ever choose to initiate any interaction with Les unless he was attacking me, or a good friend. I would never comment on his views or opinions, unless they were clearly aimed at me or a friend.
As for you, its true that I have a certain level of distrust towards you, just as Im sure you have towards me.
Despite your failings and the way you are towards me, I think you are a decent guy at heart. I am prepared to argue a point with you, but dont really have a great desire to do so.
Your post could not be further from the truth, and you are misjudging me a lot.
I actually do agree with you. I don't think it's rosy in the garden at all. It all feels a bit "flat" for lack of a better term. Why it feels that way and how to change it? I really don't know. But I also know i'm not one for drama. I have so much of it in my day to day life the past few years that I've had my fill and I walk away when I see it happening elsewhere. So for me flat is A-OK at the moment :P But that's not going to appeal to anyone and interest will drop. I totally get that.So, some two hundred and seventy something posts later, after MLA posted his graphs, people are still posting about how great it is and there is nothing wrong. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
:tard:
I have to admit, I cant understand how anyone can say the sites OK at the moment.
I can totally get MKs point that it will pick up again, and I hope she's right. She might well be.
I can fully respect people disagreeing with my opinions on where the site is failing. Its very possible that my opinion is wrong, and this sites downturn has nothing to do with the fact that it has so few young people involved now.
It might even be the case that despite what I say, there are other ways to revitalize the site that dont involve encouraging youth a bit more.
However, to suggest that things are rosy in the i2 garden right now, seems like sticking their head in the sand.
I cant help but feel that this would have died down ages ago if it wasnt the fact that it was me who made the comment.
Pot kettle black. Would you have continued if it had been somebody else than me and Les replying?
Absolutely yes. TBH, I would prefer to never interact with Les again. Its highly unlikely I would ever choose to initiate any interaction with Les unless he was attacking me, or a good friend. I would never comment on his views or opinions, unless they were clearly aimed at me or a friend.
As for you, its true that I have a certain level of distrust towards you, just as Im sure you have towards me.
Despite your failings and the way you are towards me, I think you are a decent guy at heart. I am prepared to argue a point with you, but dont really have a great desire to do so.
Your post could not be further from the truth, and you are misjudging me a lot.
I don' think my post is that far from the truth, tbh.
I cant help but feel that this would have died down ages ago if it wasnt the fact that it was me who made the comment.
Pot kettle black. Would you have continued if it had been somebody else than me and Les replying?
Absolutely yes. TBH, I would prefer to never interact with Les again. Its highly unlikely I would ever choose to initiate any interaction with Les unless he was attacking me, or a good friend. I would never comment on his views or opinions, unless they were clearly aimed at me or a friend.
As for you, its true that I have a certain level of distrust towards you, just as Im sure you have towards me.
Despite your failings and the way you are towards me, I think you are a decent guy at heart. I am prepared to argue a point with you, but dont really have a great desire to do so.
Your post could not be further from the truth, and you are misjudging me a lot.
I don' think my post is that far from the truth, tbh.
Its miles from the truth. I dont want to argue with Les at all. Why on Earth would I want to argue with someone who I truly dislike, and who is only going to continue writing essays at me. Its not like I can even win. It will just go the exact same way as any argument anyone has with him, and be an endless exchange of essays. I have no interest in that. I would much prefer to keep out of his way, and him to keep out of mine.
I cant help but feel that this would have died down ages ago if it wasnt the fact that it was me who made the comment.
Pot kettle black. Would you have continued if it had been somebody else than me and Les replying?
Absolutely yes. TBH, I would prefer to never interact with Les again. Its highly unlikely I would ever choose to initiate any interaction with Les unless he was attacking me, or a good friend. I would never comment on his views or opinions, unless they were clearly aimed at me or a friend.
As for you, its true that I have a certain level of distrust towards you, just as Im sure you have towards me.
Despite your failings and the way you are towards me, I think you are a decent guy at heart. I am prepared to argue a point with you, but dont really have a great desire to do so.
Your post could not be further from the truth, and you are misjudging me a lot.
I don' think my post is that far from the truth, tbh.
Its miles from the truth. I dont want to argue with Les at all. Why on Earth would I want to argue with someone who I truly dislike, and who is only going to continue writing essays at me. Its not like I can even win. It will just go the exact same way as any argument anyone has with him, and be an endless exchange of essays. I have no interest in that. I would much prefer to keep out of his way, and him to keep out of mine.
What essays? His posts in this thread are not longer than yours are, it's just the same tired rhetorical device you used the last time around.
Yeah, right.
Stop insulting my intelligence, Butterflies. You didn't use the word 'essay' when talking abot Les's posts by mistake.
Apology accepted:thumbup:
Long, drawn out types of drama is never fun and IMO is one of the reasons why i2 is stagnating.
If done right, drama is brilliant. Examples include:
Eclair Nuddies: Frankly hilarious, and one of the highlights of i2 drama.
Soiled Arse/Razorbeard: Both are equally good in my book. The first time I traded words with truly delusional narcissists.
Chair: Also a narcissist, but at least he was a bit more realistic. Got royally pwned by pretty much all of i2.
TCO Whining: I know this was the catalyst to the long, drawn out drama that bores me, but the initial part was pretty good. Hilarious to see an old man act so petulantly.
Penty/Dook: Both normal drama and pasting his nudes on AFF/4chan etc.
Meadow: What do you get when you put a fucked up narcissist with i2? Chaos, brilliant chaos.
BC: Hilarious in the sense that he pretty much successfully trolled most members here. Then he started being an attention whore on s2 etc, but that's another matter.
Binty Outbursts: Intense, emotionally charged and hilarious.
About trying to understand what makes it a retirement home in his eyes and others' an what it actually means. I'd like to understand. I would like people to enjoy the site and if there is something I can do, it wouldn't be a bad thing.
Long, drawn out types of drama is never fun and IMO is one of the reasons why i2 is stagnating.
About trying to understand what makes it a retirement home in his eyes and others' an what it actually means. I'd like to understand. I would like people to enjoy the site and if there is something I can do, it wouldn't be a bad thing.
I have my own theories, but they're so bound up in my overall worldview that I doubt I could coherently explain. I'm in the camp that says it goes in cycles, though, and we're at a low point but there's going to be an upswing.
I think Butterflies should name names. :autism:
I don't think it's rosy in the garden at all.
About trying to understand what makes it a retirement home in his eyes and others' an what it actually means. I'd like to understand. I would like people to enjoy the site and if there is something I can do, it wouldn't be a bad thing.
What would be the reason that a couple of people who come and go, come and go and come and go be for trying to decide the fate and future for this forum.
You two trying to decide who is cool and who is not
Who is too young or too old.
It would seem to me that you are just shit stirring.
Schleed you think this site is 'boring', well dude your site is twice as so.
Butterflies you are just poking at people, for the hell of it, like usual. What the heck makes you the queen of decide.
you are both pretty fucking boring yourselves.
What would be the reason that a couple of people who come and go, come and go and come and go be for trying to decide the fate and future for this forum.
You two trying to decide who is cool and who is not
Who is too young or too old.
It would seem to me that you are just shit stirring.
Schleed you think this site is 'boring', well dude your site is twice as so.
Butterflies you are just poking at people, for the hell of it, like usual. What the heck makes you the queen of decide.
you are both pretty fucking boring yourselves.
smart ass remarks and non-sensical commentary. I do sometimes mingle with the members., however.What would be the reason that a couple of people who come and go, come and go and come and go be for trying to decide the fate and future for this forum.
You two trying to decide who is cool and who is not
Who is too young or too old.
It would seem to me that you are just shit stirring.
Schleed you think this site is 'boring', well dude your site is twice as so.
Butterflies you are just poking at people, for the hell of it, like usual. What the heck makes you the queen of decide.
you are both pretty fucking boring yourselves.
I have a site now? Get with the times maaaaan
In all seriousness, you are frankly one of the most boring members here. What do you contribute to this forum? Go on, tell me.
you`re too fucked upWhat would be the reason that a couple of people who come and go, come and go and come and go be for trying to decide the fate and future for this forum.
You two trying to decide who is cool and who is not
Who is too young or too old.
It would seem to me that you are just shit stirring.
Schleed you think this site is 'boring', well dude your site is twice as so.
Butterflies you are just poking at people, for the hell of it, like usual. What the heck makes you the queen of decide.
you are both pretty fucking boring yourselves.
Youre too old :thumbup:
blah blah im a faggotToo right you are.
Ah, but what have you contributed lately O Great Oneblah blah im a faggotToo right you are.
I closed down s2 well over a year ago. I already stated my reasons of doing so.
What have I contributed? Strangely enough, a lot. Shared my music, art etc, participated in drama and general debates. Made friends, enemies and got myself known as a regular here.
The fact is, for me there isn't much to contribute here anymore. I came back to see if i2 would shift again, but sadly it's still the same. It takes two to tango, after all.
As for "badmouthing" the place, tough shit. I do not hold blind allegiance to internet forums.
Stop insulting my intelligence, Butterflies. You didn't use the word 'essay' when talking abot Les's posts by mistake.
??? :facepalm2: ???
Referring to Les' long posts as essays is not an insult. It is a term that is used to jokingly describe any long post here. I think I can safely say, it is not taken as an insult by Les. He even uses the term himself to describe his posts.
I even referred to my first long post in this thread as an essay.
I never thought it would come from you, but this may well have made the top 10 greatest facepalm moments in my time at i2. If you are basing your opinion that I want to argue with Les on the fact that I used the term essays to describe 1 of Les' posts, then you are having an epic aspie moment.
For the record, I apologize to Les for any insult caused in this thread by my use of the ward essays.
I am truly shocked at you Odeon :facepalm2:
About trying to understand what makes it a retirement home in his eyes and others' an what it actually means. I'd like to understand. I would like people to enjoy the site and if there is something I can do, it wouldn't be a bad thing.
I have my own theories, but they're so bound up in my overall worldview that I doubt I could coherently explain. I'm in the camp that says it goes in cycles, though, and we're at a low point but there's going to be an upswing.
I think Butterflies should name names. :autism:
What would be the reason that a couple of people who come and go, come and go and come and go be for trying to decide the fate and future for this forum.
You two trying to decide who is cool and who is not
Who is too young or too old.
It would seem to me that you are just shit stirring.
Schleed you think this site is 'boring', well dude your site is twice as so.
Butterflies you are just poking at people, for the hell of it, like usual. What the heck makes you the queen of decide.
you are both pretty fucking boring yourselves.
I have a site now? Get with the times maaaaan
In all seriousness, you are frankly one of the most boring members here. What do you contribute to this forum? Go on, tell me.
What past glories? Sorry, I'm truly confused by that.Aint no argument to do. I had my say.
You talk of me leaving again when I never stated that I will. In fact, I'm staying and will probably lurk for a while. On the other hand, you'll probably fuck off after contributing nothing again as usual, despite your "loyalty" to this forum.
You will obviously argue that what I'm doing will basically be the same. However since I don't have pretensions of being a loyal subject like you, I can leave and come back as I please without any hypocrisy. You'd think a loyal defender of i2 like yourself would actually contribute anything, but even in your own words.... you don't. Then again, as the saying goes, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". :zoinks:
You're a useless hypocritical mouthpiece, nothing more.
I dont want to argue with Les at all. Why on Earth would I want to argue with someone who I truly dislike
Shleed is just doing his "I don't care" thing.
I think we all get it Shleed. You are unfazed by anything going on. unmoved. Unperturbed. Non-Flinching. Amused. Distant. Unemotional. Unattached. Not invested. Above all of this.
That about it? Damn Shleed this barrow you have been pushing for as long as i have known you on here.
The truth is when you actually make any sort of effort, you can be mildly interesting. Then off you go on another you being bored, and not caring about this place. Its getting old Shleed.
uhhh, you called me out, where? I just see your same old bullshit and tired retorts.Shleed is just doing his "I don't care" thing.
I think we all get it Shleed. You are unfazed by anything going on. unmoved. Unperturbed. Non-Flinching. Amused. Distant. Unemotional. Unattached. Not invested. Above all of this.
That about it? Damn Shleed this barrow you have been pushing for as long as i have known you on here.
The truth is when you actually make any sort of effort, you can be mildly interesting. Then off you go on another you being bored, and not caring about this place. Its getting old Shleed.
I think you assume too much, to the point that I never stated that I don't "care".
I dislike skyblue, called him out on his bullshit. Not really hard to follow.
I dont want to argue with Les at all. Why on Earth would I want to argue with someone who I truly dislike
I learned something in this thread. Butterflies doesn't like me. :zombiefuck:
Stop insulting my intelligence, Butterflies. You didn't use the word 'essay' when talking abot Les's posts by mistake.
??? :facepalm2: ???
Referring to Les' long posts as essays is not an insult. It is a term that is used to jokingly describe any long post here. I think I can safely say, it is not taken as an insult by Les. He even uses the term himself to describe his posts.
I even referred to my first long post in this thread as an essay.
I never thought it would come from you, but this may well have made the top 10 greatest facepalm moments in my time at i2. If you are basing your opinion that I want to argue with Les on the fact that I used the term essays to describe 1 of Les' posts, then you are having an epic aspie moment.
For the record, I apologize to Les for any insult caused in this thread by my use of the ward essays.
I am truly shocked at you Odeon :facepalm2:
I'm basing it on a lot more than that, Butterflies. And now including that you protest a little too much.
smart ass remarks and non-sensical commentary. I do sometimes mingle with the members., however.What would be the reason that a couple of people who come and go, come and go and come and go be for trying to decide the fate and future for this forum.
You two trying to decide who is cool and who is not
Who is too young or too old.
It would seem to me that you are just shit stirring.
Schleed you think this site is 'boring', well dude your site is twice as so.
Butterflies you are just poking at people, for the hell of it, like usual. What the heck makes you the queen of decide.
you are both pretty fucking boring yourselves.
I have a site now? Get with the times maaaaan
In all seriousness, you are frankly one of the most boring members here. What do you contribute to this forum? Go on, tell me.
But being the loner that I am, I prefer just hanging loose reading the occasional post. Kind of like normal folks do.
What do you contribute lately. Not much. Just the occasional remark. well there is your ongoing convo with butterflies. But it is much ado about nothing.
What happened to your spasticity site, I guess I should go and lurk there for a bit, to see whats what. Unless you have already let it go.
Didnt see anything worthwhile last time I checked in, bout 6 months ago.
So what do I contribute here, not much
But I am a fucking loyal member, with the same fucking rights as you. And I dont go round bad mouthing the place.
How long will this stagnate for?
this argument.
unless someone wants to say something totally unexpected.
like....penty has a love child shock :o
waiting for air crash investigation to come on 8)
this argument.
unless someone wants to say something totally unexpected.
like....penty has a love child shock :o
waiting for air crash investigation to come on 8)
Im 3 months pregnant, and Richards the father :CanofWorms: We wanted to keep it a secret, but I guess its outta the bag now. We never had sex, but he sent me a sample of his manmilk. I got the old turkey baster out, and much to my surprise, it worked.
I dunno how long this argument will stagnate for. The stupidity appears to be increasing exponentially by the page.
this argument.
unless someone wants to say something totally unexpected.
like....penty has a love child shock :o
waiting for air crash investigation to come on 8)
Im 3 months pregnant, and Richards the father :CanofWorms: We wanted to keep it a secret, but I guess its outta the bag now. We never had sex, but he sent me a sample of his manmilk. I got the old turkey baster out, and much to my surprise, it worked.
I dunno how long this argument will stagnate for. The stupidity appears to be increasing exponentially by the page.
Ooh, ooh, can I be the Godmother? With Richard I would have thought an eye dropper would hold his silver shower of blessings.
this argument.
unless someone wants to say something totally unexpected.
like....penty has a love child shock :o
waiting for air crash investigation to come on 8)
Im 3 months pregnant, and Richards the father :CanofWorms: We wanted to keep it a secret, but I guess its outta the bag now. We never had sex, but he sent me a sample of his manmilk. I got the old turkey baster out, and much to my surprise, it worked.
I dunno how long this argument will stagnate for. The stupidity appears to be increasing exponentially by the page.
Ooh, ooh, can I be the Godmother? With Richard I would have thought an eye dropper would hold his silver shower of blessings.
Of course you can be Godmother. In fact, all of i2 can be godparents, except Odeon. I dont want him teaching his spazziness to the poor baby.
this argument.
unless someone wants to say something totally unexpected.
like....penty has a love child shock :o
waiting for air crash investigation to come on 8)
Im 3 months pregnant, and Richards the father :CanofWorms: We wanted to keep it a secret, but I guess its outta the bag now. We never had sex, but he sent me a sample of his manmilk. I got the old turkey baster out, and much to my surprise, it worked.
I dunno how long this argument will stagnate for. The stupidity appears to be increasing exponentially by the page.
Ooh, ooh, can I be the Godmother? With Richard I would have thought an eye dropper would hold his silver shower of blessings.
Of course you can be Godmother. In fact, all of i2 can be godparents, except Odeon. I dont want him teaching his spazziness to the poor baby.
That "poor baby" is going to be mighty stupid anyway. With giant chiclet teeth. :pentagram:
Thank you. Since he/she may inherit a passion for rocks from his father, I'll give him/her the Rock of Gibralter as a christening present. Since she/he may inherit his mother's business sense, I'll give her Edinburgh Castle. That place could use some tarting up.
Stop insulting my intelligence, Butterflies. You didn't use the word 'essay' when talking abot Les's posts by mistake.
??? :facepalm2: ???
Referring to Les' long posts as essays is not an insult. It is a term that is used to jokingly describe any long post here. I think I can safely say, it is not taken as an insult by Les. He even uses the term himself to describe his posts.
I even referred to my first long post in this thread as an essay.
I never thought it would come from you, but this may well have made the top 10 greatest facepalm moments in my time at i2. If you are basing your opinion that I want to argue with Les on the fact that I used the term essays to describe 1 of Les' posts, then you are having an epic aspie moment.
For the record, I apologize to Les for any insult caused in this thread by my use of the ward essays.
I am truly shocked at you Odeon :facepalm2:
I'm basing it on a lot more than that, Butterflies. And now including that you protest a little too much.
We all have our aspie moments of fail here. When I clearly fail, I try to laugh at myself, and accept my mistake.
Continuing to insist that youre right, when you clearly couldnt have been more wrong, just makes you look like you are unable to accept the fact that you made an error. T thought you were bigger than that Odeon.
If I had been trying to goad Les into a fight, dont you think we'd be fighting by now. 3 days, almost 20 pages later, and we still arent fighting. Do you really think Im this poor at starting fights?
I know youre an intelligent man, but I never realized how much of a total spazz you were.
this argument.
unless someone wants to say something totally unexpected.
like....penty has a love child shock :o
waiting for air crash investigation to come on 8)
Im 3 months pregnant, and Richards the father :CanofWorms: We wanted to keep it a secret, but I guess its outta the bag now. We never had sex, but he sent me a sample of his manmilk. I got the old turkey baster out, and much to my surprise, it worked.
I dunno how long this argument will stagnate for. The stupidity appears to be increasing exponentially by the page.
Stop insulting my intelligence, Butterflies. You didn't use the word 'essay' when talking abot Les's posts by mistake.
??? :facepalm2: ???
Referring to Les' long posts as essays is not an insult. It is a term that is used to jokingly describe any long post here. I think I can safely say, it is not taken as an insult by Les. He even uses the term himself to describe his posts.
I even referred to my first long post in this thread as an essay.
I never thought it would come from you, but this may well have made the top 10 greatest facepalm moments in my time at i2. If you are basing your opinion that I want to argue with Les on the fact that I used the term essays to describe 1 of Les' posts, then you are having an epic aspie moment.
For the record, I apologize to Les for any insult caused in this thread by my use of the ward essays.
I am truly shocked at you Odeon :facepalm2:
I'm basing it on a lot more than that, Butterflies. And now including that you protest a little too much.
We all have our aspie moments of fail here. When I clearly fail, I try to laugh at myself, and accept my mistake.
Continuing to insist that youre right, when you clearly couldnt have been more wrong, just makes you look like you are unable to accept the fact that you made an error. T thought you were bigger than that Odeon.
If I had been trying to goad Les into a fight, dont you think we'd be fighting by now. 3 days, almost 20 pages later, and we still arent fighting. Do you really think Im this poor at starting fights?
I know youre an intelligent man, but I never realized how much of a total spazz you were.
I very much doubt I'm wrong, Butterflies. I'd seriously question my motives if I were you.
Anything so you won't have to question your own motives, right? I've seen you at this sort of thing before and I'm not convinced.
Anything so you won't have to question your own motives, right? I've seen you at this sort of thing before and I'm not convinced.
Im telling you to seek advice from someone who is blessed with decent judgement. You obviously arent.
Anything so you won't have to question your own motives, right? I've seen you at this sort of thing before and I'm not convinced.
Im telling you to seek advice from someone who is blessed with decent judgement. You obviously arent.
Says the girl who spends dozens of posting trying to convince others that it's about age when it's really only about people she dislikes.
On the other hand you have "decided" that the board isn't boring nowadays, which it is. Butterflies and Schleed have very good points.
Anything so you won't have to question your own motives, right? I've seen you at this sort of thing before and I'm not convinced.
smart ass remarks and non-sensical commentary. I do sometimes mingle with the members., however.What would be the reason that a couple of people who come and go, come and go and come and go be for trying to decide the fate and future for this forum.
You two trying to decide who is cool and who is not
Who is too young or too old.
It would seem to me that you are just shit stirring.
Schleed you think this site is 'boring', well dude your site is twice as so.
Butterflies you are just poking at people, for the hell of it, like usual. What the heck makes you the queen of decide.
you are both pretty fucking boring yourselves.
I have a site now? Get with the times maaaaan
In all seriousness, you are frankly one of the most boring members here. What do you contribute to this forum? Go on, tell me.
But being the loner that I am, I prefer just hanging loose reading the occasional post. Kind of like normal folks do.
What do you contribute lately. Not much. Just the occasional remark. well there is your ongoing convo with butterflies. But it is much ado about nothing.
What happened to your spasticity site, I guess I should go and lurk there for a bit, to see whats what. Unless you have already let it go.
Didnt see anything worthwhile last time I checked in, bout 6 months ago.
So what do I contribute here, not much
But I am a fucking loyal member, with the same fucking rights as you. And I dont go round bad mouthing the place.
Perhaps you could liven things up by cutting and pasting an existing article in its entirety, and then make no comment on it.
I'm happy that Butterflies has spread her wings and no longer has time for the internet, and these boring forums. I think that says nothing but good things. I think the rift is irreparable anyway, especially as she doesn't seem particularly interested in continuing to interact with the people she does like in the light of the people that she doesn't.
On the flip side, I'm not sure what she is hoping to accomplish here, which leaves me wondering if this is in fact an attempt to liven things up to make it worth returning.
:chin: :hmmm: :jaded: :eyebrow: :scratchhead:
I'm happy that Butterflies has spread her wings and no longer has time for the internet, and these boring forums.I think that says nothing but good thingsI do have less time, but I still have time for the internet.
I think the rift is irreparable anyway, .
especially as she doesn't seem particularly interested in continuing to interact with the people she does like in the light of the people that she doesn't.
On the flip side, I'm not sure what she is hoping to accomplish here, which leaves me wondering if this is in fact an attempt to liven things up to make it worth returning.
We can agree on one thing: you failed pretty miserably.
I think the rift is irreparable anyway, .
We can agree on one thing: you failed pretty miserably.
Yes dude. I failed to explain a fairly easy point to you, that many others seemed to understand.
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Nah, scrub that. The guys a wanker.
Wuv you too.
We can agree on one thing: you failed pretty miserably.
Yes dude. I failed to explain a fairly easy point to you, that many others seemed to understand.
Actually you never managed to explain it to anyone. It's not easy to explain something you lie about to yourself, is it?Quote
Nah, scrub that. The guys a wanker.
Wuv you too.
We can agree on one thing: you failed pretty miserably.
Yes dude. I failed to explain a fairly easy point to you, that many others seemed to understand.
Actually you never managed to explain it to anyone. It's not easy to explain something you lie about to yourself, is it?Quote
Nah, scrub that. The guys a wanker.
Wuv you too.
How on earth am I lying about thinking the site need young members?
The ones that aren't necessarily young in physical age but that you like? But wait--you never said that, you just insisted that you saying "young" was you being clear and honest.
Next.
I think this debate is kind of fruitless though, in my opinion. A lot of hair splitting.
We can agree on one thing: you failed pretty miserably.
Yes dude. I failed to explain a fairly easy point to you, that many others seemed to understand.
Actually you never managed to explain it to anyone. It's not easy to explain something you lie about to yourself, is it?Quote
Nah, scrub that. The guys a wanker.
Wuv you too.
How on earth am I lying about thinking the site need young members?
The ones that aren't necessarily young in physical age but that you like? But wait--you never said that, you just insisted that you saying "young" was you being clear and honest.
Next.
as soon as something interesting comes up, I willsmart ass remarks and non-sensical commentary. I do sometimes mingle with the members., however.What would be the reason that a couple of people who come and go, come and go and come and go be for trying to decide the fate and future for this forum.
You two trying to decide who is cool and who is not
Who is too young or too old.
It would seem to me that you are just shit stirring.
Schleed you think this site is 'boring', well dude your site is twice as so.
Butterflies you are just poking at people, for the hell of it, like usual. What the heck makes you the queen of decide.
you are both pretty fucking boring yourselves.
I have a site now? Get with the times maaaaan
In all seriousness, you are frankly one of the most boring members here. What do you contribute to this forum? Go on, tell me.
But being the loner that I am, I prefer just hanging loose reading the occasional post. Kind of like normal folks do.
What do you contribute lately. Not much. Just the occasional remark. well there is your ongoing convo with butterflies. But it is much ado about nothing.
What happened to your spasticity site, I guess I should go and lurk there for a bit, to see whats what. Unless you have already let it go.
Didnt see anything worthwhile last time I checked in, bout 6 months ago.
So what do I contribute here, not much
But I am a fucking loyal member, with the same fucking rights as you. And I dont go round bad mouthing the place.
Perhaps you could liven things up by cutting and pasting an existing article in its entirety, and then make no comment on it.
I believe that you are surprised that when you tell us that you are being honest and such, Butterflies that some doubt your sincerity or intent.
Please don't be surprised.
Not so long ago a loud faction of primarily younger member including you and Shleed and Adam turned this place upside down. People were leaving and the threads were a clusterfuck. The objects of this said faction? Well as far as Ican make it, the admin here and anyone who ssupported them.
Parts finally put that issue to bed but not before smear campaigning against Odeon and railing against the site and a couple of very blatant efforts to poach the membership to join better sites, newly made and set up for the younger cooler members.
But now you honestly care for this site and you are trust worthy. Now we can credit your words with no underlying subversive motive or intent.
Vague assertions, an appeal to the"younger" members, and in all of this I try and allay my suspicious and just clarify
I more than suspect a political subversive angle. In my eyes it looks that way whether or not there is anything else in that as well. Your past unfortunately determines your credibility on the score.
You dont seem to understand that it is not boring to most of usI believe that you are surprised that when you tell us that you are being honest and such, Butterflies that some doubt your sincerity or intent.
Please don't be surprised.
Not so long ago a loud faction of primarily younger member including you and Shleed and Adam turned this place upside down. People were leaving and the threads were a clusterfuck. The objects of this said faction? Well as far as Ican make it, the admin here and anyone who ssupported them.
Parts finally put that issue to bed but not before smear campaigning against Odeon and railing against the site and a couple of very blatant efforts to poach the membership to join better sites, newly made and set up for the younger cooler members.
But now you honestly care for this site and you are trust worthy. Now we can credit your words with no underlying subversive motive or intent.
Vague assertions, an appeal to the"younger" members, and in all of this I try and allay my suspicious and just clarify
I more than suspect a political subversive angle. In my eyes it looks that way whether or not there is anything else in that as well. Your past unfortunately determines your credibility on the score.
I dont care about this site. I had a vague suggestion that I thought might help the site to become something I cared about again.
I dont see why you or Odeon should trust me, just as I certainly dont trust either of you. However, thinking that a boring site needs some more youth is not a lie. It is quite clearly an opinion.
You dont seem to understand that it is not boring to most of usI believe that you are surprised that when you tell us that you are being honest and such, Butterflies that some doubt your sincerity or intent.
Please don't be surprised.
Not so long ago a loud faction of primarily younger member including you and Shleed and Adam turned this place upside down. People were leaving and the threads were a clusterfuck. The objects of this said faction? Well as far as Ican make it, the admin here and anyone who ssupported them.
Parts finally put that issue to bed but not before smear campaigning against Odeon and railing against the site and a couple of very blatant efforts to poach the membership to join better sites, newly made and set up for the younger cooler members.
But now you honestly care for this site and you are trust worthy. Now we can credit your words with no underlying subversive motive or intent.
Vague assertions, an appeal to the"younger" members, and in all of this I try and allay my suspicious and just clarify
I more than suspect a political subversive angle. In my eyes it looks that way whether or not there is anything else in that as well. Your past unfortunately determines your credibility on the score.
I dont care about this site. I had a vague suggestion that I thought might help the site to become something I cared about again.
I dont see why you or Odeon should trust me, just as I certainly dont trust either of you. However, thinking that a boring site needs some more youth is not a lie. It is quite clearly an opinion.
And that is coming from one of its most boring members, moi
I enjoy keeping up with the various members and their daily posts
Sorry you and schleed cant be trusted.You dont seem to understand that it is not boring to most of usI believe that you are surprised that when you tell us that you are being honest and such, Butterflies that some doubt your sincerity or intent.
Please don't be surprised.
Not so long ago a loud faction of primarily younger member including you and Shleed and Adam turned this place upside down. People were leaving and the threads were a clusterfuck. The objects of this said faction? Well as far as Ican make it, the admin here and anyone who ssupported them.
Parts finally put that issue to bed but not before smear campaigning against Odeon and railing against the site and a couple of very blatant efforts to poach the membership to join better sites, newly made and set up for the younger cooler members.
But now you honestly care for this site and you are trust worthy. Now we can credit your words with no underlying subversive motive or intent.
Vague assertions, an appeal to the"younger" members, and in all of this I try and allay my suspicious and just clarify
I more than suspect a political subversive angle. In my eyes it looks that way whether or not there is anything else in that as well. Your past unfortunately determines your credibility on the score.
I dont care about this site. I had a vague suggestion that I thought might help the site to become something I cared about again.
I dont see why you or Odeon should trust me, just as I certainly dont trust either of you. However, thinking that a boring site needs some more youth is not a lie. It is quite clearly an opinion.
And that is coming from one of its most boring members, moi
I enjoy keeping up with the various members and their daily posts
Im not sure that its not boring to most members. Some people are happy with it as it is though.
I didnt want anything that would make the site worse for you. You may be happy with the site now, but will you still be happy with it if it loses another 5 or 6 regular posters?
Its true that my suggestion might not have immediately made the site better for you, but I would have hoped that trying to make the site a bit more vibrant would have led to more activity, which in turn would have hopefully made the site better for everyone, including you.
Sorry you and schleed cant be trusted.You dont seem to understand that it is not boring to most of usI believe that you are surprised that when you tell us that you are being honest and such, Butterflies that some doubt your sincerity or intent.
Please don't be surprised.
Not so long ago a loud faction of primarily younger member including you and Shleed and Adam turned this place upside down. People were leaving and the threads were a clusterfuck. The objects of this said faction? Well as far as Ican make it, the admin here and anyone who ssupported them.
Parts finally put that issue to bed but not before smear campaigning against Odeon and railing against the site and a couple of very blatant efforts to poach the membership to join better sites, newly made and set up for the younger cooler members.
But now you honestly care for this site and you are trust worthy. Now we can credit your words with no underlying subversive motive or intent.
Vague assertions, an appeal to the"younger" members, and in all of this I try and allay my suspicious and just clarify
I more than suspect a political subversive angle. In my eyes it looks that way whether or not there is anything else in that as well. Your past unfortunately determines your credibility on the score.
I dont care about this site. I had a vague suggestion that I thought might help the site to become something I cared about again.
I dont see why you or Odeon should trust me, just as I certainly dont trust either of you. However, thinking that a boring site needs some more youth is not a lie. It is quite clearly an opinion.
And that is coming from one of its most boring members, moi
I enjoy keeping up with the various members and their daily posts
Im not sure that its not boring to most members. Some people are happy with it as it is though.
I didnt want anything that would make the site worse for you. You may be happy with the site now, but will you still be happy with it if it loses another 5 or 6 regular posters?
Its true that my suggestion might not have immediately made the site better for you, but I would have hoped that trying to make the site a bit more vibrant would have led to more activity, which in turn would have hopefully made the site better for everyone, including you.
your true motives are unclear
I am sure not everyone feels that way
You should have done your put downs of the current membership in PM.
That was a bad move, considering the people you were putting down, were watching your conversation
It doesnt matter that you didnt name names outright. I at least understood your meaning
I watched it for a couple of days and finally had enough
Thats my only reason for running my mouth
I am more than happy to go back to being my boring self, it suits me.
Later...........
You dont seem to understand that it is not boring to most of usI believe that you are surprised that when you tell us that you are being honest and such, Butterflies that some doubt your sinceerity or intent.
Please don't be surprised.
Not so long ago a loud faction of primarily younger member including you and Shleed and Adam turned this place upside down. People were leaving and the threads were a clusterfuck. The objects of this said faction? Well as far as I can make it, the admin here and anyone who supported them.
Parts finally put that issue to bed but not before smear campaigning against Odeon and railing against the site and a couple of very blatant efforts to poach the membership to join better sites, newly made and set up for the younger cooler members.
But now you honestly care for this site and you are trust worthy. Now we can credit your words with no underlying subversive motive or intent.
Vague assertions, an appeal to the"younger" members, and in all of this I try and allay my suspicious and just clarify
I more than suspect a political subversive angle. In my eyes it looks that way whether or not there is anything else in that as well. Your past unfortunately determines your credibility on the score.
I dont care about this site. I had a vague suggestion that I thought might help the site to become something I cared about again.
I dont see why you or Odeon should trust me, just as I certainly dont trust either of you. However, thinking that a boring site needs some more youth is not a lie. It is quite clearly an opinion.
And that is coming from one of its most boring members, moi
I enjoy keeping up with the various members and their daily posts
Im not sure that its not boring to most members. Some people are happy with it as it is though.
I didnt want anything that would make the site worse for you. You may be happy with the site now, but will you still be happy with it if it loses another 5 or 6 regular posters?
Its true that my suggestion might not have immediately made the site better for you, but I would have hoped that trying to make the site a bit more vibrant would have led to more activity, which in turn would have hopefully made the site better for everyone, including you.
You dont seem to understand that it is not boring to most of usI believe that you are surprised that when you tell us that you are being honest and such, Butterflies that some doubt your sinceerity or intent.
Please don't be surprised.
Not so long ago a loud faction of primarily younger member including you and Shleed and Adam turned this place upside down. People were leaving and the threads were a clusterfuck. The objects of this said faction? Well as far as Ican make it, the admin here and anyone who ssupported them.
Parts finally put that issue to bed but not before smear campaigning against Odeon and railing against the site and a couple of very blatant efforts to poach the membership to join better sites, newly made and set up for the younger cooler members.
But now you honestly care for this site and you are trust worthy. Now we can credit your words with no underlying subversive motive or intent.
Vague assertions, an appeal to the"younger" members, and in all of this I try and allay my suspicious and just clarify
I more than suspect a political subversive angle. In my eyes it looks that way whether or not there is anything else in that as well. Your past unfortunately determines your credibility on the score.
I dont care about this site. I had a vague suggestion that I thought might help the site to become something I cared about again.
I dont see why you or Odeon should trust me, just as I certainly dont trust either of you. However, thinking that a boring site needs some more youth is not a lie. It is quite clearly an opinion.
And that is coming from one of its most boring members, moi
I enjoy keeping up with the various members and their daily posts
Im not sure that its not boring to most members. Some people are happy with it as it is though.
I didnt want anything that would make the site worse for you. You may be happy with the site now, but will you still be happy with it if it loses another 5 or 6 regular posters?
Its true that my suggestion might not have immediately made the site better for you, but I would have hoped that trying to make the site a bit more vibrant would have led to more activity, which in turn would have hopefully made the site better for everyone, including you.
Ah so we finally get there.
I was right, it seems to second guess your intentions and motives. It did tend to resemble a time that you and a handful of others tried to fuck over the forum and create enough discord to convince the people you wanted away from the site.
After the whole " Make the site appealing to me or I will leave and so will another 4-5 others"...well yes rather telling
It is all good. The vague reference s and the want of explain a downturn in activity as the site dying. The saying that you were not sure what needed changing in the site or prepared to change things yourself but happy to basically saythe site was crap. Your resistance to questioning and now this.
You are right about one thing , you so not care about the site.
Why borher with all this posts ring thoufh , we could have arrived at this point a lot quicker and more honestly?
I believe that you are surprised that when you tell us that you are being honest and such, Butterflies that some doubt your sincerity or intent.
Please don't be surprised.
Not so long ago a loud faction of primarily younger member including you and Shleed and Adam turned this place upside down. People were leaving and the threads were a clusterfuck. The objects of this said faction? Well as far as Ican make it, the admin here and anyone who ssupported them.
Parts finally put that issue to bed but not before smear campaigning against Odeon and railing against the site and a couple of very blatant efforts to poach the membership to join better sites, newly made and set up for the younger cooler members.
But now you honestly care for this site and you are trust worthy. Now we can credit your words with no underlying subversive motive or intent.
Vague assertions, an appeal to the"younger" members, and in all of this I try and allay my suspicious and just clarify
I more than suspect a political subversive angle. In my eyes it looks that way whether or not there is anything else in that as well. Your past unfortunately determines your credibility on the score.
I dont care about this site. I had a vague suggestion that I thought might help the site to become something I cared about again.
I dont see why you or Odeon should trust me, just as I certainly dont trust either of you. However, thinking that a boring site needs some more youth is not a lie. It is quite clearly an opinion.
I dont care about this site. I had a vague suggestion that I thought might help the site to become something I cared about again.
I dont see why you or Odeon should trust me, just as I certainly dont trust either of you. However, thinking that a boring site needs some more youth is not a lie. It is quite clearly an opinion.
@Les. You do realize that the site is averaging around 15 members online a day this month? Do you seriously think that I could possibly believe that almost one third of the site would leave if I told them to?
I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?:agreed: :indeed: :viking: :plus:
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
I think it is best not to try. There will be drama on here again, i feel sure.When and where did you talk about mirror sex? That sounds like it could be one of a couple of things.
Probably just a quiet spell. I can always make some more posts about mirror sex and submissive sex? Or about my insatiable desire for a damn good rodgering? >:D
I think it is best not to try. There will be drama on here again, i feel sure.When and where did you talk about mirror sex? That sounds like it could be one of a couple of things.
Probably just a quiet spell. I can always make some more posts about mirror sex and submissive sex? Or about my insatiable desire for a damn good rodgering? >:D
I think it is best not to try. There will be drama on here again, i feel sure.When and where did you talk about mirror sex? That sounds like it could be one of a couple of things.
Probably just a quiet spell. I can always make some more posts about mirror sex and submissive sex? Or about my insatiable desire for a damn good rodgering? >:D
Reflective Katoptronaphiliac - it's in the name.
Can't recall where and when i have spoken about this. I have, though. Several times. Tend to STFU when no one responds. If i had any inclination that this was a shared fantasy by anyone here i would be happy to open dialogue again.
I think it is best not to try. There will be drama on here again, i feel sure.
Probably just a quiet spell. I can always make some more posts about mirror sex and submissive sex? Or about my insatiable desire for a damn good rodgering? >:D
Can't speak for anyone else, but that'd work for me
I miss Bint and Squiddy. I also find some of the talk about missing the drama and dynamics of 2010 funny because I could just as easily pine for 2006/2007. Things weren't stable then. We had admins switching out every month, the unknown question of who would run the site, and while the endless debates about self-government got tedious, they were at least fun for a while.
Now there aren't enough unhappy people to sustain a new "village", but nor are they satisfied with the existing one. I suspect that's human nature.
Autism is seen differently too. There isn't the same rush of people who had a lifetime of disenfranchisement and then for the first time found other people like them and explanation of their lives.
I've never seen a backlash against cliques (ooh dirty word) like you can get here. That tendency of people to group up with those they like and "other" anyone who doesn't fit the criteria. I know this is another one that's been debated ad nauseum.
I think one of the erroneous assumptions is that a smaller clique must leave and find their own place which they can run as they see fit, in order to be happy. It actually sucks running a site. A lot of thankless work and a lot of people pissed off at you without being willing to lend a hand to making things better. Why can't more than one clique exist in the same space? Then there will be an ongoing more thriving dynamic as the different polarized groups interact in the same space. Instead of striking out at Butterflies' (Shleed's? Adam's? Bodie's) desire for a group like the one that was gathered in 2010, why not accept it?
It actually sucks running a site.
I think the clear solution is for all members who have anything like "lives" to drop out of school, quit our jobs, leave our partners, abandon our friends, drop our kids off in orphanages, and do nothing but stir up drama with each other here to compensate for the voids we've created in our own existences. Everyone who does not have any of these things should have a go at these things, and then complain about the results, whatever the results may be.
Also, we need more pictures of cats and of breasts. And outrageous kinkiness, and more scandals.
In a way, I think you do. It was important for you, when you joined, it was amazing for you to be here then. And, you want it to be that amazing again. You do care, for what it was.
Would drama help?
Most of drama happening here is boring as hell in my opinion. Especially drama between people that is going on for a long time. No new views, same sentences, same replies. Nothing constructive. And, because of all the repetition, the funfactor is gone too.
Sometimes there is quality drama, with true discussions, and, when really good, it is constructive too. It's where members can surprise me. Very rare, quality drama.
I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger membersI think that would be a bad idea. When the site worked, a large part of what was good about the site was the interaction between young and old.
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty.No, that is not the case at all. I would like to see a better mix of people.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this?That should be fairly obvious. Odeon and Les. I voiced an opinion that was at worst, mildly controversial. Almost 25 pages on, they are still going on about it. They have each thrown at least one absurd slice of paranoia at me, and Les still appears to be going strong.
I miss Bint and Squiddy. I also find some of the talk about missing the drama and dynamics of 2010 funny because I could just as easily pine for 2006/2007. Things weren't stable then. We had admins switching out every month, the unknown question of who would run the site, and while the endless debates about self-government got tedious, they were at least fun for a while.
Now there aren't enough unhappy people to sustain a new "village", but nor are they satisfied with the existing one. I suspect that's human nature.
Autism is seen differently too. There isn't the same rush of people who had a lifetime of disenfranchisement and then for the first time found other people like them and explanation of their lives.
I've never seen a backlash against cliques (ooh dirty word) like you can get here. That tendency of people to group up with those they like and "other" anyone who doesn't fit the criteria. I know this is another one that's been debated ad nauseum.
I think one of the erroneous assumptions is that a smaller clique must leave and find their own place which they can run as they see fit, in order to be happy. It actually sucks running a site. A lot of thankless work and a lot of people pissed off at you without being willing to lend a hand to making things better. Why can't more than one clique exist in the same space? Then there will be an ongoing more thriving dynamic as the different polarized groups interact in the same space. Instead of striking out at Butterflies' (Shleed's? Adam's? Bodie's) desire for a group like the one that was gathered in 2010, why not accept it?
Pyraxis, whoever said they could not?
When Butterflies thinks on the time when she first started she is expressing her views of the time as being a good time on here .There were a lot of the same faces and a few more tht have since left. Was there a want from butterflies to go off and make a new group then? Was there a want from any of the other members for Butterflies to go off? Was there such a big problem in her mind of the older members here being....well....not young?
I think you know the answers, and suggesting that there is a reluctance or inability for people to accept others here is silly isn't it?
The problem is if you are well placed and well liked and so on, and then you fuck over people, those people tend to not hold you in the same esteem as you did before you fucked them over. THAT is sensible. Others would likely treat you with caution as they think that you have lost credibility and trust, and they too do not want to expose themselves to you just to let you fuck them over
So let's not pretend that this is about people not able to accept others because they are different.
Not at all what you are trying is it Py?
I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
Yes.
Hell yes.
If you want mor nudes...post more nudes. If you think there ought to be more lolcats and threads of online roleplaying gam,es...do that. Like threads about sex? Nothing stopping you.
OR
You could say "Gee this site sucks. I really don't like it because it is not vibrant enough for my tastes. i don't know what to suggest and i don't care about the site, but it has to change. Young people are the answer to the vibrance problem and by young people, i do not mean young people but "young people" if you know what i mean. nudge nudge. By Nudge nudge i mean people who i like - regardless of their age. So more people should be on here that I like and who post stuff I like. Of course sometimes those same sort of people posting stuff I like negatively affects the forum and causes people to leave and man of them are the younger and/or newer members not the older entrenched members - but let's not go there. I do not want to really help here because I dislike the site BUT if you people can lift your game, I may stay. If you don't I will leave and you really don't want that because others will leave. You know you want me"
Well Bodie when I say "YOU could say", I don't mean "you". You are not that silly or full of yourself. It would be a silly position and the posting what makes you happy and the site happyy and entertaining is the better position.
Papiliones: :viking:
Sir Les: :thumbdn:
That should be fairly obvious. Odeon and Les. I voiced an opinion that was at worst, mildly controversial. Almost 25 pages on, they are still going on about it. They have each thrown at least one absurd slice of paranoia at me, and Les still appears to be going strong.
I could easily stay here and post cute pics of cats, and funny memes/jokes. Thats just not me though.
It seems that if I stay here, and be myself, I will have the Chuckle Brothers on my back at every opportunity.
I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
Yes.
Hell yes.
If you want mor nudes...post more nudes. If you think there ought to be more lolcats and threads of online roleplaying gam,es...do that. Like threads about sex? Nothing stopping you.
OR
You could say "Gee this site sucks. I really don't like it because it is not vibrant enough for my tastes. i don't know what to suggest and i don't care about the site, but it has to change. Young people are the answer to the vibrance problem and by young people, i do not mean young people but "young people" if you know what i mean. nudge nudge. By Nudge nudge i mean people who i like - regardless of their age. So more people should be on here that I like and who post stuff I like. Of course sometimes those same sort of people posting stuff I like negatively affects the forum and causes people to leave and man of them are the younger and/or newer members not the older entrenched members - but let's not go there. I do not want to really help here because I dislike the site BUT if you people can lift your game, I may stay. If you don't I will leave and you really don't want that because others will leave. You know you want me"
Well Bodie when I say "YOU could say", I don't mean "you". You are not that silly or full of yourself. It would be a silly position and the posting what makes you happy and the site happyy and entertaining is the better position.
Yes. Bullshit is so much truer when its presented in the form of a rambling essay.
I wonder who the gullible fools will be who believe you this time.
That should be fairly obvious. Odeon and Les. I voiced an opinion that was at worst, mildly controversial. Almost 25 pages on, they are still going on about it. They have each thrown at least one absurd slice of paranoia at me, and Les still appears to be going strong.
I could easily stay here and post cute pics of cats, and funny memes/jokes. Thats just not me though.
It seems that if I stay here, and be myself, I will have the Chuckle Brothers on my back at every opportunity.
Just imagine what it might have been like if you had tried to answer a simple question instead. Now all that is left for you is your usual rewrite.
I dont understand what that means. I didnt feel that what Bod said reflected what I was trying to say. I tried to explain why I felt that way.I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
Yes.
Hell yes.
If you want mor nudes...post more nudes. If you think there ought to be more lolcats and threads of online roleplaying gam,es...do that. Like threads about sex? Nothing stopping you.
OR
You could say "Gee this site sucks. I really don't like it because it is not vibrant enough for my tastes. i don't know what to suggest and i don't care about the site, but it has to change. Young people are the answer to the vibrance problem and by young people, i do not mean young people but "young people" if you know what i mean. nudge nudge. By Nudge nudge i mean people who i like - regardless of their age. So more people should be on here that I like and who post stuff I like. Of course sometimes those same sort of people posting stuff I like negatively affects the forum and causes people to leave and man of them are the younger and/or newer members not the older entrenched members - but let's not go there. I do not want to really help here because I dislike the site BUT if you people can lift your game, I may stay. If you don't I will leave and you really don't want that because others will leave. You know you want me"
Well Bodie when I say "YOU could say", I don't mean "you". You are not that silly or full of yourself. It would be a silly position and the posting what makes you happy and the site happyy and entertaining is the better position.
Yes. Bullshit is so much truer when its presented in the form of a rambling essay.
I wonder who the gullible fools will be who believe you this time.
Oh, but you are fairly transparent now, after you disagreed with most of what Bodie suggested.
That should be fairly obvious. Odeon and Les. I voiced an opinion that was at worst, mildly controversial. Almost 25 pages on, they are still going on about it. They have each thrown at least one absurd slice of paranoia at me, and Les still appears to be going strong.
I could easily stay here and post cute pics of cats, and funny memes/jokes. Thats just not me though.
It seems that if I stay here, and be myself, I will have the Chuckle Brothers on my back at every opportunity.
Just imagine what it might have been like if you had tried to answer a simple question instead. Now all that is left for you is your usual rewrite.
I couldnt answer the question in a way you were able to understand. I tried though.
I dont understand what that means. I didnt feel that what Bod said reflected what I was trying to say. I tried to explain why I felt that way.I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
Yes.
Hell yes.
If you want mor nudes...post more nudes. If you think there ought to be more lolcats and threads of online roleplaying gam,es...do that. Like threads about sex? Nothing stopping you.
OR
You could say "Gee this site sucks. I really don't like it because it is not vibrant enough for my tastes. i don't know what to suggest and i don't care about the site, but it has to change. Young people are the answer to the vibrance problem and by young people, i do not mean young people but "young people" if you know what i mean. nudge nudge. By Nudge nudge i mean people who i like - regardless of their age. So more people should be on here that I like and who post stuff I like. Of course sometimes those same sort of people posting stuff I like negatively affects the forum and causes people to leave and man of them are the younger and/or newer members not the older entrenched members - but let's not go there. I do not want to really help here because I dislike the site BUT if you people can lift your game, I may stay. If you don't I will leave and you really don't want that because others will leave. You know you want me"
Well Bodie when I say "YOU could say", I don't mean "you". You are not that silly or full of yourself. It would be a silly position and the posting what makes you happy and the site happyy and entertaining is the better position.
Yes. Bullshit is so much truer when its presented in the form of a rambling essay.
I wonder who the gullible fools will be who believe you this time.
Oh, but you are fairly transparent now, after you disagreed with most of what Bodie suggested.
Bod is definitely someone I see as a friend, but Im half expecting you to try and claim that Im trying to start a fight with her now.
I have to be honest, and say I dont really agree with most of this.
That should be fairly obvious. Odeon and Les. I voiced an opinion that was at worst, mildly controversial. Almost 25 pages on, they are still going on about it. They have each thrown at least one absurd slice of paranoia at me, and Les still appears to be going strong.
I could easily stay here and post cute pics of cats, and funny memes/jokes. Thats just not me though.
It seems that if I stay here, and be myself, I will have the Chuckle Brothers on my back at every opportunity.
Just imagine what it might have been like if you had tried to answer a simple question instead. Now all that is left for you is your usual rewrite.
I couldnt answer the question in a way you were able to understand. I tried though.
As I said, rewriting is what you have left now.
Allow me to quote what you wrote in reply to Bodie:
I have to be honest, and say I dont really agree with most of this.I really have no idea what point youre trying to make here. Why dont you just say what you mean? Am I not allowed to disagree with a friend?
I've not read thru the last few pages and don't wanna get into it all tbh, Im trying to limit my internet time over the next couple weeks so dont wanna get into a big thing - will just say that for the record, I don't dislike all the oldies or anything. Or even the people I sometimes find boring. It's just not my kinda thing when that is the general atmosphere. Dunno if I'm explaining myself well. Actually I do - I'm obviously NOT expaining myself well but this is the best I can do atm. It's like elderly relatives you like, enjoy spending time with now and then, but you'd get bored if you had to spend a whole week with just them, right? Anyway, don't bother asking me any questions or trying to counter anything Im saying, as I'm not saying it to persuade you of anything etc, just wanted to clarify that I don't mean all this in the way I think it may have come across.
You can disagree with anyone you like, Butterflies, friends and foes alike, but if you don't present viable alternatives, then don't you think whining about this site while suggesting yet another group for the young and the vibrant is just a tad arrogant?
It's one of these issues where he has "decided" that he is right.
Bodie made some very simple and constructive suggestions about how to change the site, like trying to fill it with stuff you like, ignoring people and posts you don't care about, things like that. That's what you disagreed with,
Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever.I just dont think that would be a good idea.
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and fartyShe is trying to explain what she thinks I was trying to say. This was not what I was trying to say.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this?I explained to her what was stopping me from posting.
You can disagree with anyone you like, Butterflies, friends and foes alike, but if you don't present viable alternatives, then don't you think whining about this site while suggesting yet another group for the young and the vibrant is just a tad arrogant?
Youre the one that is showing true arrogance here Odeon.
You hound my posts, demanding that I clarify every point I try to make. If I make any mistake, you will jump on me.
I have not suggested yet another new group for young vibrant aspies. Schleed has started a FB group, and he invited me to join. AFAIK, everyone here who is on FB has been invited to join.
Now, clearly you are wrong here, so it just remains to be seen whether you have the humility to admit your mistake and offer an apology like I did with Les, or whether you continue true to form and arrogantly try to claim that you are somehow right.
I would hugely love to keep in contact, but Skype would kill me. I cant even manage MSN. Forums seem to suit my social anxiety :laugh:
Zomg still exists. If you just wanted a little forum to hang out with your mates on, it could be used.
It's one of these issues where he has "decided" that he is right.
When this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!
It's one of these issues where he has "decided" that he is right.
I'm not allowed to argue my points, Lit?
I think it is best not to try. There will be drama on here again, i feel sure.When and where did you talk about mirror sex? That sounds like it could be one of a couple of things.
Probably just a quiet spell. I can always make some more posts about mirror sex and submissive sex? Or about my insatiable desire for a damn good rodgering? >:D
Reflective Katoptronaphiliac - it's in the name.
Can't recall where and when i have spoken about this. I have, though. Several times. Tend to STFU when no one responds. If i had any inclination that this was a shared fantasy by anyone here i would be happy to open dialogue again.
I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
Bodie made some very simple and constructive suggestions about how to change the site, like trying to fill it with stuff you like, ignoring people and posts you don't care about, things like that. That's what you disagreed with,
No, thats quite clearly not the case. I would have preferred not to pick through Bods post for your benefit, but I have little choice. Sorry Bod.QuoteApart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever.I just dont think that would be a good idea.QuoteIt sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and fartyShe is trying to explain what she thinks I was trying to say. This was not what I was trying to say.QuoteThe atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this?I explained to her what was stopping me from posting.
It's one of these issues where he has "decided" that he is right.
I'm not allowed to argue my points, Lit?
It's your board, so of course you can argue as much as you want. Though this is one of those questions that you simply don't accept in your comfort zone.
When this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!
Well, we know MissKitty will chose a Leonberger, CBC will choose a Sheltie, Parts will choose a large breed dog...........
When this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!
Well, we know MissKitty will chose a Leonberger, CBC will choose a Sheltie, Parts will choose a large breed dog...........
You can disagree with anyone you like, Butterflies, friends and foes alike, but if you don't present viable alternatives, then don't you think whining about this site while suggesting yet another group for the young and the vibrant is just a tad arrogant?
Youre the one that is showing true arrogance here Odeon.
You hound my posts, demanding that I clarify every point I try to make. If I make any mistake, you will jump on me.
I have not suggested yet another new group for young vibrant aspies. Schleed has started a FB group, and he invited me to join. AFAIK, everyone here who is on FB has been invited to join.
Now, clearly you are wrong here, so it just remains to be seen whether you have the humility to admit your mistake and offer an apology like I did with Les, or whether you continue true to form and arrogantly try to claim that you are somehow right.
:LMAO:
Hounded, are you? You don't suppose me wanting you to explain some of the points you made was that you never did?
But you are right. This time you suggested using an existing group:I would hugely love to keep in contact, but Skype would kill me. I cant even manage MSN. Forums seem to suit my social anxiety :laugh:
Zomg still exists. If you just wanted a little forum to hang out with your mates on, it could be used.
If you take the time to address Bodie's points, don't misrepresent them. Here's what I think is important in her post:I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
Notice how she actually dismisses the subforum for younger members as something I'd likely not do? Seems to me she doesn't believe in it either.
And while she starts by saying "It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read...", she then goes on with what's important, which isn't about interpreting what you think or do not think but wholly sensible advice, regardless:
"Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required."
and, more importantly:
"In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way. "
Sounds to me like sensible advice. But hey, that's just me. And maybe a few other members who think that this place is not dying and worth using.
But it's better to paint yourself as a victim, isn't it?Bodie made some very simple and constructive suggestions about how to change the site, like trying to fill it with stuff you like, ignoring people and posts you don't care about, things like that. That's what you disagreed with,
No, thats quite clearly not the case. I would have preferred not to pick through Bods post for your benefit, but I have little choice. Sorry Bod.QuoteApart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever.I just dont think that would be a good idea.QuoteIt sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and fartyShe is trying to explain what she thinks I was trying to say. This was not what I was trying to say.QuoteThe atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this?I explained to her what was stopping me from posting.
They have each thrown at least one absurd slice of paranoia at meI am actually wondering about the paranoia angle you are trying for. I am not paranoid of you. I do not think you really have that much influence on the site (perhaps you may have had a bit more back in the day). It seems you have been trying to say that either i am paranoid because i apparently believe you will take heaps of members away. I have clearly refuted this
How on Earth can I possibly remove 4-5 active members here. I'm not totally sure I even have 4-5 friends who still post regularly here, let alone 4-5 people who could be so influenced by me as to leave the site because Im not being entertained.
This almost tops Odeons assertion that I am actively trying to start a fight with you.
@Les. You do realize that the site is averaging around 15 members online a day this month? Do you seriously think that I could possibly believe that almost one third of the site would leave if I told them to?
Now to answer your question...No. It would be absurd to think after you more blatantly trawled for members here and to encourage members awat from here to Spasticity and were a failure, that I would exp[ect your actions would produce better results.
You were not trying to indicate that anyone might believe that were you Butterflies? That would be absurd.
And, the bullshit starts again. I didnt fuck anyone over. I know you like to present your opinions as fact, but thats just pathetic.
For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done
Yes. Bullshit is so much truer when its presented in the form of a rambling essay.
I wonder who the gullible fools will be who believe you this time.
Papiliones: :viking:Oh sorry Lit. Let me translate what I was saying into a more palatable essay.
Sir Les: :thumbdn:
When this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!You know I will get there. :)
They have each thrown at least one absurd slice of paranoia at meI am actually wondering about the paranoia angle you are trying for. I am not paranoid of you. I do not think you really have that much influence on the site (perhaps you may have had a bit more back in the day). It seems you have been trying to say that either i am paranoid because i apparently believe you will take heaps of members away. I have clearly refuted thisHow on Earth can I possibly remove 4-5 active members here. I'm not totally sure I even have 4-5 friends who still post regularly here, let alone 4-5 people who could be so influenced by me as to leave the site because Im not being entertained.
This almost tops Odeons assertion that I am actively trying to start a fight with you.@Les. You do realize that the site is averaging around 15 members online a day this month? Do you seriously think that I could possibly believe that almost one third of the site would leave if I told them to?Now to answer your question...No. It would be absurd to think after you more blatantly trawled for members here and to encourage members awat from here to Spasticity and were a failure, that I would exp[ect your actions would produce better results.
You were not trying to indicate that anyone might believe that were you Butterflies? That would be absurd.
Or perhaps you are saying I am paranoid because i mentioned you have fucked over people (and so people remain cautious with you) and your intentions are questionable. No great surprise. Hell even you took pains in the past to tell everyone you have no conscious boundaries or some bullshit excuse for your behaviours.
And, the bullshit starts again. I didnt fuck anyone over. I know you like to present your opinions as fact, but thats just pathetic.
Sure Butterflies. That whole Elders thing at Odeon about his personal relationships was fair game wasn't it? Or is it Les just "bullshitting"?
For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done
Yes let's not examine morality in fact let's forget. The drama had nothing to do with you and the site benefited immensely for your efforts. Better not questioned. Bothersome boundaries.
Yes. Bullshit is so much truer when its presented in the form of a rambling essay.
I wonder who the gullible fools will be who believe you this time.
Bullshit again? Rambling essay? Or was it me deliberately polarising and simplifying what I saw as Bodie and your perspectives to mock you? I do not doubt that you dislike my humour but to call it everything I say Bullshit is pretty weak. Unless you stop calling it bullshit and people who think that it may echo their perspectives giullible.
I could call everything i hear lies or anything I do not like being said or read, lies too. I am just not that silly.
Papiliones: :viking:Oh sorry Lit. Let me translate what I was saying into a more palatable essay.
Sir Les: :thumbdn:
"Yeah Government sucks. So do the cowardly police. The police, the rich and the politicians of the world should all be shot...no...blown up with home-made explosives, by the citizens of the world, who for a victory celebration should all have an orgy with heaps of ATM. Derp :tard:
When this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!You know I will get there. :)
I am actually wondering about the paranoia angle you are trying for. I am not paranoid of you. I do not think you really have that much influence on the site (perhaps you may have had a bit more back in the day).I never suggested you were scared of me. I am saying that you and Odeon are coming up with paranoid theories about me.
It seems you have been trying to say that either i am paranoid because i apparently believe you will take heaps of members away. I have clearly refuted thisYou said clearly that I threatened to take 4-5 members away. I successfully refuted any possibility that I could get 4-5 members to leave.
Quote from: ButterfliesFor example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done
Yes let's not examine morality in fact let's forget. The drama had nothing to do with you and the site benefited immensely for your efforts. Better not questioned. Bothersome boundaries.
Shameful Les, shameful :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done, the drama with Parakeet was among the funniest "drama" I was involved in. I think it was good drama, or at least, fun drama. I think it livened up the site for a while.
Long bitter feuds may be "drama," but they help nobody. Fun "drama" is IMO good for the site.
This site needs fun "drama" IMO.
.... and I will have another cat pleaseWhen this thread hits 30 pages, everyone wins a puppy!
Well, we know MissKitty will chose a Leonberger, CBC will choose a Sheltie, Parts will choose a large breed dog...........
If you take the time to address Bodie's points, don't misrepresent them. Here's what I think is important in her post:Seems to me that she may well be following bod's advice anyway, in this very thread. :apondering:I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
Notice how she actually dismisses the subforum for younger members as something I'd likely not do? Seems to me she doesn't believe in it either.
And while she starts by saying "It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read...", she then goes on with what's important, which isn't about interpreting what you think or do not think but wholly sensible advice, regardless:
"Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required."
and, more importantly:
"In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way. "
Sounds to me like sensible advice. But hey, that's just me. And maybe a few other members who think that this place is not dying and worth using.
But it's better to paint yourself as a victim, isn't it?
Pyraxis, whoever said they could not?I'm asking the sky. You know, throwing a question out there to see if it picks up any interesting responses. If nobody said that, then all that'll happen is I won't get any answers. No big loss.
When Butterflies thinks on the time when she first started she is expressing her views of the time as being a good time on here .There were a lot of the same faces and a few more tht have since left. Was there a want from butterflies to go off and make a new group then? Was there a want from any of the other members for Butterflies to go off? Was there such a big problem in her mind of the older members here being....well....not young?Is it? You just set up a great big honkin' straw man, you want me to push it over for you?
I think you know the answers, and suggesting that there is a reluctance or inability for people to accept others here is silly isn't it?
The problem is if you are well placed and well liked and so on, and then you fuck over people, those people tend to not hold you in the same esteem as you did before you fucked them over. THAT is sensible. Others would likely treat you with caution as they think that you have lost credibility and trust, and they too do not want to expose themselves to you just to let you fuck them overThere's nothing I disagree with there. If you're well liked and you fuck people over, I will be side by side in calling you on it. (Which I was, at one point in 2010, yeh?) So hell, I've got nothing against calling out hypocrisy, or treating untrustworthy people with caution.
So let's not pretend that this is about people not able to accept others because they are different.
Not at all what you are trying is it Py?
If you take the time to address Bodie's points, don't misrepresent them. Here's what I think is important in her post:Seems to me that she may well be following bod's advice anyway, in this very thread. :apondering:I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
Notice how she actually dismisses the subforum for younger members as something I'd likely not do? Seems to me she doesn't believe in it either.
And while she starts by saying "It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read...", she then goes on with what's important, which isn't about interpreting what you think or do not think but wholly sensible advice, regardless:
"Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required."
and, more importantly:
"In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way. "
Sounds to me like sensible advice. But hey, that's just me. And maybe a few other members who think that this place is not dying and worth using.
But it's better to paint yourself as a victim, isn't it?
Pyraxis, whoever said they could not?I'm asking the sky. You know, throwing a question out there to see if it picks up any interesting responses. If nobody said that, then all that'll happen is I won't get any answers. No big loss.When Butterflies thinks on the time when she first started she is expressing her views of the time as being a good time on here .There were a lot of the same faces and a few more tht have since left. Was there a want from butterflies to go off and make a new group then? Was there a want from any of the other members for Butterflies to go off? Was there such a big problem in her mind of the older members here being....well....not young?Is it? You just set up a great big honkin' straw man, you want me to push it over for you?
I think you know the answers, and suggesting that there is a reluctance or inability for people to accept others here is silly isn't it?
*poke*The problem is if you are well placed and well liked and so on, and then you fuck over people, those people tend to not hold you in the same esteem as you did before you fucked them over. THAT is sensible. Others would likely treat you with caution as they think that you have lost credibility and trust, and they too do not want to expose themselves to you just to let you fuck them overThere's nothing I disagree with there. If you're well liked and you fuck people over, I will be side by side in calling you on it. (Which I was, at one point in 2010, yeh?) So hell, I've got nothing against calling out hypocrisy, or treating untrustworthy people with caution.
So let's not pretend that this is about people not able to accept others because they are different.
Not at all what you are trying is it Py?
But it seems a lot of the point here is that it's swung too far in the other direction. Instead of too much drama, too little activity altogether. Hence reconsidering if the old pattern is still valid.
If you're well liked and you fuck people over, I will be side by side in calling you on it.Absolutely.
That is a horrific pile of absolute bullshit Les.
QuoteI am actually wondering about the paranoia angle you are trying for. I am not paranoid of you. I do not think you really have that much influence on the site (perhaps you may have had a bit more back in the day).I never suggested you were scared of me. I am saying that you and Odeon are coming up with paranoid theories about me.
QuoteIt seems you have been trying to say that either i am paranoid because i apparently believe you will take heaps of members away. I have clearly refuted thisYou said clearly that I threatened to take 4-5 members away. I successfully refuted any possibility that I could get 4-5 members to leave.
Quote from: LesQuote from: ButterfliesFor example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done
Yes let's not examine morality in fact let's forget. The drama had nothing to do with you and the site benefited immensely for your efforts. Better not questioned. Bothersome boundaries.
That is a thoroughly shameless bit of quote altering. You should be ashamed of yourself, especially after Odeon making such a big thing of wrongly claiming I misrepresented Bods post.
As you can see, "However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done" is the first half of a different paragragh, which you have tacked onto the end of the previous sentence. It was about the Parakeet incident. Here is the full quote:Shameful Les, shameful :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done, the drama with Parakeet was among the funniest "drama" I was involved in. I think it was good drama, or at least, fun drama. I think it livened up the site for a while.
Long bitter feuds may be "drama," but they help nobody. Fun "drama" is IMO good for the site.
This site needs fun "drama" IMO.
And just remember Les. You are the only person bringing your friends "personal relationships" into things here. Im sure its worth it for you though :thumbup:
That is a horrific pile of absolute bullshit Les.
Really? So this was not just then ordinary bullshit that you have been accusing it of being, but horrific? You think that is a little too much? Are you or anyone horrified by what I said....really? Melodrama?QuoteI am actually wondering about the paranoia angle you are trying for. I am not paranoid of you. I do not think you really have that much influence on the site (perhaps you may have had a bit more back in the day).I never suggested you were scared of me. I am saying that you and Odeon are coming up with paranoid theories about me.
Yet what you quoted below is a difference of perspection between what you said and how I interpreted what you said. Nothing paranoid in that and ineffect you make no real pointQuoteIt seems you have been trying to say that either i am paranoid because i apparently believe you will take heaps of members away. I have clearly refuted thisYou said clearly that I threatened to take 4-5 members away. I successfully refuted any possibility that I could get 4-5 members to leave.
...and we were never in dispute as i do not believe you could take 4-5 members away from here either. I suffer no paranoia in believing that you couldn't.
Now if what you are trying to say is that I believed by you writing about another 4-5 members apart from you, leaving, that you were trying to using this occassion and this thread as a means to put shit on I2 so people would hopefully leave, absolutely.
Do or did I think that you would or could be successful in your efforts? No.
Again can not see the paranoia.
If you are saying you talk of you and others leaving was not about either actively or passively trying to induce people to leave then I read it differently.Quote from: LesQuote from: ButterfliesFor example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done
Yes let's not examine morality in fact let's forget. The drama had nothing to do with you and the site benefited immensely for your efforts. Better not questioned. Bothersome boundaries.
That is a thoroughly shameless bit of quote altering. You should be ashamed of yourself, especially after Odeon making such a big thing of wrongly claiming I misrepresented Bods post.
Quote-altering? Nope. Quoting out of context? Nope. Why? You DO go on to justify that you think your efforts with Parrakeet (despite my disclaimer quoted) was funny. It does not affect the crux of what I was saying in the least.
I should be ashamed? No Butterflies. You ought to cut with the melodrama. I don't think anyone is buying it.As you can see, "However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done" is the first half of a different paragragh, which you have tacked onto the end of the previous sentence. It was about the Parakeet incident. Here is the full quote:Shameful Les, shameful :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done, the drama with Parakeet was among the funniest "drama" I was involved in. I think it was good drama, or at least, fun drama. I think it livened up the site for a while.
Long bitter feuds may be "drama," but they help nobody. Fun "drama" is IMO good for the site.
This site needs fun "drama" IMO.
Stating it emphatically does not lend a bad position credibility Butterflies.
And just remember Les. You are the only person bringing your friends "personal relationships" into things here. Im sure its worth it for you though :thumbup:
Yes because you refuted having ever fucked around peopel here and now when I make my point you rely on this tactic much like you did with Pandora, when placed in poor light you tried to say that me backing myself was poor form. Thionk of your friend. In fact you are a poor friend for back yourself against me.
Pretty piss poor
If Squid, Scrap, Eris, and all the other missing members/ex-members could be
rounded up and brought back, maybe things would be as they were before. Maybe. Or the
missing members might have changed so much in the meantime that their return would be
disappointing. I have to guess that they have already changed since their posting heyday,
and that that is one reason they're not here anymore. :dunno:
If Squid, Scrap, Eris, and all the other missing members/ex-members could be
rounded up and brought back, maybe things would be as they were before. Maybe. Or the
missing members might have changed so much in the meantime that their return would be
disappointing. I have to guess that they have already changed since their posting heyday,
and that that is one reason they're not here anymore. :dunno:
TBH, I dont think its so much that the members have changed, so much as its their relationships with one another have changed.
If we were to get all of that group together again, there would likely be open warfare :litigious: :tooledup: :flamer: :vader:
If Squid, Scrap, Eris, and all the other missing members/ex-members could be
rounded up and brought back, maybe things would be as they were before. Maybe. Or the
missing members might have changed so much in the meantime that their return would be
disappointing. I have to guess that they have already changed since their posting heyday,
and that that is one reason they're not here anymore. :dunno:
TBH, I dont think its so much that the members have changed, so much as its their relationships with one another have changed.
If we were to get all of that group together again, there would likely be open warfare :litigious: :tooledup: :flamer: :vader:
Factor in the newer members and it could be Armageddon! :zombiefuck:
If Squid, Scrap, Eris, and all the other missing members/ex-members could be
rounded up and brought back, maybe things would be as they were before. Maybe. Or the
missing members might have changed so much in the meantime that their return would be
disappointing. I have to guess that they have already changed since their posting heyday,
and that that is one reason they're not here anymore. :dunno:
TBH, I dont think its so much that the members have changed, so much as its their relationships with one another have changed.
If we were to get all of that group together again, there would likely be open warfare :litigious: :tooledup: :flamer: :vader:
Factor in the newer members and it could be Armageddon! :zombiefuck:
I propose a re-recruitment drive >:D
If Squid, Scrap, Eris, and all the other missing members/ex-members could be
rounded up and brought back, maybe things would be as they were before. Maybe. Or the
missing members might have changed so much in the meantime that their return would be
disappointing. I have to guess that they have already changed since their posting heyday,
and that that is one reason they're not here anymore. :dunno:
TBH, I dont think its so much that the members have changed, so much as its their relationships with one another have changed.
If we were to get all of that group together again, there would likely be open warfare :litigious: :tooledup: :flamer: :vader:
Factor in the newer members and it could be Armageddon! :zombiefuck:
I propose a re-recruitment drive >:D
You could call it "Operation Pandora's Box." :CanofWorms:
That is a horrific pile of absolute bullshit Les.
Really? So this was not just then ordinary bullshit that you have been accusing it of being, but horrific? You think that is a little too much? Are you or anyone horrified by what I said....really? Melodrama?QuoteI am actually wondering about the paranoia angle you are trying for. I am not paranoid of you. I do not think you really have that much influence on the site (perhaps you may have had a bit more back in the day).I never suggested you were scared of me. I am saying that you and Odeon are coming up with paranoid theories about me.
Yet what you quoted below is a difference of perspection between what you said and how I interpreted what you said. Nothing paranoid in that and ineffect you make no real pointQuoteIt seems you have been trying to say that either i am paranoid because i apparently believe you will take heaps of members away. I have clearly refuted thisYou said clearly that I threatened to take 4-5 members away. I successfully refuted any possibility that I could get 4-5 members to leave.
...and we were never in dispute as i do not believe you could take 4-5 members away from here either. I suffer no paranoia in believing that you couldn't.
Now if what you are trying to say is that I believed by you writing about another 4-5 members apart from you, leaving, that you were trying to using this occassion and this thread as a means to put shit on I2 so people would hopefully leave, absolutely.
Do or did I think that you would or could be successful in your efforts? No.
Again can not see the paranoia.
If you are saying you talk of you and others leaving was not about either actively or passively trying to induce people to leave then I read it differently.Quote from: LesQuote from: ButterfliesFor example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done
Yes let's not examine morality in fact let's forget. The drama had nothing to do with you and the site benefited immensely for your efforts. Better not questioned. Bothersome boundaries.
That is a thoroughly shameless bit of quote altering. You should be ashamed of yourself, especially after Odeon making such a big thing of wrongly claiming I misrepresented Bods post.
Quote-altering? Nope. Quoting out of context? Nope. Why? You DO go on to justify that you think your efforts with Parrakeet (despite my disclaimer quoted) was funny. It does not affect the crux of what I was saying in the least.
I should be ashamed? No Butterflies. You ought to cut with the melodrama. I don't think anyone is buying it.As you can see, "However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done" is the first half of a different paragragh, which you have tacked onto the end of the previous sentence. It was about the Parakeet incident. Here is the full quote:Shameful Les, shameful :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done, the drama with Parakeet was among the funniest "drama" I was involved in. I think it was good drama, or at least, fun drama. I think it livened up the site for a while.
Long bitter feuds may be "drama," but they help nobody. Fun "drama" is IMO good for the site.
This site needs fun "drama" IMO.
Stating it emphatically does not lend a bad position credibility Butterflies.
And just remember Les. You are the only person bringing your friends "personal relationships" into things here. Im sure its worth it for you though :thumbup:
Yes because you refuted having ever fucked around peopel here and now when I make my point you rely on this tactic much like you did with Pandora, when placed in poor light you tried to say that me backing myself was poor form. Thionk of your friend. In fact you are a poor friend for back yourself against me.
Pretty piss poor
OMG. Now youre bringing Pandora into this. I can hear the sound of a thousand tiny violins:fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp:
You can disagree with anyone you like, Butterflies, friends and foes alike, but if you don't present viable alternatives, then don't you think whining about this site while suggesting yet another group for the young and the vibrant is just a tad arrogant?
Youre the one that is showing true arrogance here Odeon.
You hound my posts, demanding that I clarify every point I try to make. If I make any mistake, you will jump on me.
I have not suggested yet another new group for young vibrant aspies. Schleed has started a FB group, and he invited me to join. AFAIK, everyone here who is on FB has been invited to join.
Now, clearly you are wrong here, so it just remains to be seen whether you have the humility to admit your mistake and offer an apology like I did with Les, or whether you continue true to form and arrogantly try to claim that you are somehow right.
:LMAO:
Hounded, are you? You don't suppose me wanting you to explain some of the points you made was that you never did?
But you are right. This time you suggested using an existing group:I would hugely love to keep in contact, but Skype would kill me. I cant even manage MSN. Forums seem to suit my social anxiety :laugh:
Zomg still exists. If you just wanted a little forum to hang out with your mates on, it could be used.
Zomg is completely dead. I havent even logged on in months. Your point makes no sense.
If you take the time to address Bodie's points, don't misrepresent them. Here's what I think is important in her post:I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
Notice how she actually dismisses the subforum for younger members as something I'd likely not do? Seems to me she doesn't believe in it either.
And while she starts by saying "It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read...", she then goes on with what's important, which isn't about interpreting what you think or do not think but wholly sensible advice, regardless:
"Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required."
and, more importantly:
"In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way. "
Sounds to me like sensible advice. But hey, that's just me. And maybe a few other members who think that this place is not dying and worth using.
But it's better to paint yourself as a victim, isn't it?Bodie made some very simple and constructive suggestions about how to change the site, like trying to fill it with stuff you like, ignoring people and posts you don't care about, things like that. That's what you disagreed with,
No, thats quite clearly not the case. I would have preferred not to pick through Bods post for your benefit, but I have little choice. Sorry Bod.QuoteApart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever.I just dont think that would be a good idea.QuoteIt sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and fartyShe is trying to explain what she thinks I was trying to say. This was not what I was trying to say.QuoteThe atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this?I explained to her what was stopping me from posting.
??? ??? ???
Why would I want to misrepresent Bods posts? I like Bod a lot. She is easily one of my favorite people here.
You are making absolutely no sense here Odeon. Your comments are appearing further and further from reality by the page.
Obviously I dont disagree with "Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required." Or, "In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way."
I disagreed with the points by Bod that I quoted from her. I had no reason to quote what I didnt disagree with.
Just because you felt they were the important points in her post, doesnt mean I have to.
It has got to the stage where you just appear to be arguing with me over random nothingness.
I think my Pandora's Box reference ended up being funny in a way I didn't expect. :-[
Who is/was Pandora? I wasn't following the posts that might have mentioned her before.
I think my Pandora's Box reference ended up being funny in a way I didn't expect. :-[
Who is/was Pandora? I wasn't following the posts that might have mentioned her before.
Remember TenaciousCJ and Pakrat on AFF? Yes that is Pandora from WP.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html)
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html)
I think my Pandora's Box reference ended up being funny in a way I didn't expect. :-[
Who is/was Pandora? I wasn't following the posts that might have mentioned her before.
Remember TenaciousCJ and Pakrat on AFF? Yes that is Pandora from WP.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html)
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html)
Oh damn. For the record, I wasn't referring to her, I liked her on AFF. :-\
I think my Pandora's Box reference ended up being funny in a way I didn't expect. :-[
Who is/was Pandora? I wasn't following the posts that might have mentioned her before.
Remember TenaciousCJ and Pakrat on AFF? Yes that is Pandora from WP.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html)
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html)
Oh damn. For the record, I wasn't referring to her, I liked her on AFF. :-\
Me too. She is a sweetheart. There were a few lovely ladies that came out of AFF. She is one, you are another and so is that lovely Hyke
Next week on i2: The lengthy debate continues, this time evolving to nanosemantics.
Herp derp
You could call it "Operation Pandora's Box." :CanofWorms:
QuoteWas there a want from butterflies to go off and make a new group then? Was there a want from any of the other members for Butterflies to go off? Was there such a big problem in her mind of the older members here being....well....not young?
I think you know the answers, and suggesting that there is a reluctance or inability for people to accept others here is silly isn't it?
Yes I would like you to show why what I said was a strawman and then try to push it over.
But yes I definitely think that there may (and I say may) be some merit in things going the "other way". Consider though how things have been in the worst dramacausts.I do remember.
Next week on i2: The lengthy debate continues, this time evolving to nanosemantics.
Next week on i2: The lengthy debate continues, this time evolving to nanosemantics.
Maybe the board, during this time, will be graced by Shleed making references and inferences to to I2, that he doesn't care and that everyone else does.
QuoteWas there a want from butterflies to go off and make a new group then? Was there a want from any of the other members for Butterflies to go off? Was there such a big problem in her mind of the older members here being....well....not young?
I think you know the answers, and suggesting that there is a reluctance or inability for people to accept others here is silly isn't it?
Yes I would like you to show why what I said was a strawman and then try to push it over.
Right there. See I don't even know if you want me to say yes or no to any of those questions. So if you're trying to set a trap where I nod along to everything, it went straight over my head.
Yes I remember Shleed starting his own site and butterflies wanting people to go there. Yes I remember some people disliking her, and I'm sure she got told more than once to just fuck off to there, though I don't remember specific incidences. I have no idea what was in her mind and whether it related to people being young or old. I don't think it's silly to suggest people here might be reluctant or unable to accept others since rigidity is a common aspergers trait and pretty much just about every drama since WP's conception has demonstrated that just because we're on the spectrum doesn't make everyone magically get along or be above petty social crap.But yes I definitely think that there may (and I say may) be some merit in things going the "other way". Consider though how things have been in the worst dramacausts.I do remember.
Yes, yes. And Lit will write something against the establishment. L will needle Ricky. Lestat will mention som chemical I have never heard of. Queen Vic will say something insightful.Next week on i2: The lengthy debate continues, this time evolving to nanosemantics.
Maybe the board, during this time, will be graced by Shleed making references and inferences to to I2, that he doesn't care and that everyone else does.
And Les will continue to make assumptions, essays and lengthy arguments that are in reality inefficient and meandering. He will also turn nanosemantics into picosemantics.
If you take the time to address Bodie's points, don't misrepresent them. Here's what I think is important in her post:I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
Notice how she actually dismisses the subforum for younger members as something I'd likely not do? Seems to me she doesn't believe in it either.
And while she starts by saying "It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read...", she then goes on with what's important, which isn't about interpreting what you think or do not think but wholly sensible advice, regardless:
"Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required."
and, more importantly:
"In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way. "
Sounds to me like sensible advice. But hey, that's just me. And maybe a few other members who think that this place is not dying and worth using.
But it's better to paint yourself as a victim, isn't it?Bodie made some very simple and constructive suggestions about how to change the site, like trying to fill it with stuff you like, ignoring people and posts you don't care about, things like that. That's what you disagreed with,
No, thats quite clearly not the case. I would have preferred not to pick through Bods post for your benefit, but I have little choice. Sorry Bod.QuoteApart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever.I just dont think that would be a good idea.QuoteIt sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and fartyShe is trying to explain what she thinks I was trying to say. This was not what I was trying to say.QuoteThe atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this?I explained to her what was stopping me from posting.
??? ??? ???
Why would I want to misrepresent Bods posts? I like Bod a lot. She is easily one of my favorite people here.
I have no idea of why. You tell me. Are you simply bad at quoting? Be as it may, you managed to miss her points almost completely.QuoteYou are making absolutely no sense here Odeon. Your comments are appearing further and further from reality by the page.
Obviously I dont disagree with "Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required." Or, "In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way."
I disagreed with the points by Bod that I quoted from her. I had no reason to quote what I didnt disagree with.
Just because you felt they were the important points in her post, doesnt mean I have to.
This is obviously beyond you and I can't be bothered to explain, tbh.
I realise you want younger members to hang around with, but from the looks of it you'd need kids from the local kindergarten to understand them.
QuoteIt has got to the stage where you just appear to be arguing with me over random nothingness.
I realise now that most of this must be incomprehensible to you. Oh well.
I think my Pandora's Box reference ended up being funny in a way I didn't expect. :-[
Who is/was Pandora? I wasn't following the posts that might have mentioned her before.
Remember TenaciousCJ and Pakrat on AFF? Yes that is Pandora from WP.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html)
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html)
And who are you to decide what Bods points were?
And who are you to decide what Bods points were?
someone who knows how to read, it would seem.
I think my Pandora's Box reference ended up being funny in a way I didn't expect. :-[
Who is/was Pandora? I wasn't following the posts that might have mentioned her before.
Remember TenaciousCJ and Pakrat on AFF? Yes that is Pandora from WP.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html)
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html)
You are SO desperate to try and drag up the old argument with Pandora. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
I dont want to discuss your creepy old friends.
And who are you to decide what Bods points were?
someone who knows how to read, it would seem.
And now youre claiming that only you possess the ability to fully comprehend Bods post :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
And who are you to decide what Bods points were?
someone who knows how to read, it would seem.
And now youre claiming that only you possess the ability to fully comprehend Bods post :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
No, I'm saying that most people have that ability. Most.
I think there is little that could be done, anyway. Apart from creating actual parts of the site for younger members. Maybe for under forty's or under thirties or whatever. But why would Odeon want to do this?
It sounds to me like they want somewhere to post where they don't have to read or see posts from those they feel are old and farty. Well, i would suggest that they just ignore the members they feel are old and farty anyway. AFAIK there is no law that says a reply is required.
In fact i would suggest to anyone to use the site and fill it with stuff that you like. I don't know what is preventing anyone from using the site this way.
The atmosphere is dictated by the current posters. The best way to change the atmosphere is by posting. What or who is preventing this? :dunno:
I think my Pandora's Box reference ended up being funny in a way I didn't expect. :-[
Who is/was Pandora? I wasn't following the posts that might have mentioned her before.
Remember TenaciousCJ and Pakrat on AFF? Yes that is Pandora from WP.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18371.0.html)
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,18379.0.html)
You are SO desperate to try and drag up the old argument with Pandora. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
I dont want to discuss your creepy old friends.
I was not discussing it with you was i butterflies?
Now Honestly speaking, was I
a) Desperately trying to bring up Pandora?
OR
b) Was I reacting on a faux pas made by CBC about Pandora which left her confused and with no point of reference as to what was going on AND my quick introduction to who Pandora was on AFF (of which CBC was a mod and Pandora the most prolific poster there at the time) and links about here here, was providing CBC with the point of reference so she did not feel so confused?
If you say a) you are an idiot and no about of poor reading comprehension and emoticons will save you from looking like one.
If you say a) and b) then you are again an idiot because i did not create a situation that CBC made that faux pas that left her in need of such an explaination.
If you say b) ....well you will not say b. That is too honest.
That is a horrific pile of absolute bullshit Les.
Really? So this was not just then ordinary bullshit that you have been accusing it of being, but horrific? You think that is a little too much? Are you or anyone horrified by what I said....really? Melodrama?QuoteI am actually wondering about the paranoia angle you are trying for. I am not paranoid of you. I do not think you really have that much influence on the site (perhaps you may have had a bit more back in the day).I never suggested you were scared of me. I am saying that you and Odeon are coming up with paranoid theories about me.
Yet what you quoted below is a difference of perspection between what you said and how I interpreted what you said. Nothing paranoid in that and ineffect you make no real pointQuoteIt seems you have been trying to say that either i am paranoid because i apparently believe you will take heaps of members away. I have clearly refuted thisYou said clearly that I threatened to take 4-5 members away. I successfully refuted any possibility that I could get 4-5 members to leave.
...and we were never in dispute as i do not believe you could take 4-5 members away from here either. I suffer no paranoia in believing that you couldn't.
Now if what you are trying to say is that I believed by you writing about another 4-5 members apart from you, leaving, that you were trying to using this occassion and this thread as a means to put shit on I2 so people would hopefully leave, absolutely.
Do or did I think that you would or could be successful in your efforts? No.
Again can not see the paranoia.
If you are saying you talk of you and others leaving was not about either actively or passively trying to induce people to leave then I read it differently.Quote from: LesQuote from: ButterfliesFor example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done
Yes let's not examine morality in fact let's forget. The drama had nothing to do with you and the site benefited immensely for your efforts. Better not questioned. Bothersome boundaries.
That is a thoroughly shameless bit of quote altering. You should be ashamed of yourself, especially after Odeon making such a big thing of wrongly claiming I misrepresented Bods post.
Quote-altering? Nope. Quoting out of context? Nope. Why? You DO go on to justify that you think your efforts with Parrakeet (despite my disclaimer quoted) was funny. It does not affect the crux of what I was saying in the least.
I should be ashamed? No Butterflies. You ought to cut with the melodrama. I don't think anyone is buying it.As you can see, "However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done" is the first half of a different paragragh, which you have tacked onto the end of the previous sentence. It was about the Parakeet incident. Here is the full quote:Shameful Les, shameful :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
For example, the drama that happened a year ago was not good at all. I did not enjoy it, it was also very bad for the site.
However, and forgetting about the morality of what was done, the drama with Parakeet was among the funniest "drama" I was involved in. I think it was good drama, or at least, fun drama. I think it livened up the site for a while.
Long bitter feuds may be "drama," but they help nobody. Fun "drama" is IMO good for the site.
This site needs fun "drama" IMO.
Stating it emphatically does not lend a bad position credibility Butterflies.
And just remember Les. You are the only person bringing your friends "personal relationships" into things here. Im sure its worth it for you though :thumbup:
Yes because you refuted having ever fucked around peopel here and now when I make my point you rely on this tactic much like you did with Pandora, when placed in poor light you tried to say that me backing myself was poor form. Thionk of your friend. In fact you are a poor friend for back yourself against me.
Pretty piss poor
If Squid, Scrap, Eris, and all the other missing members/ex-members could be
rounded up and brought back, maybe things would be as they were before. Maybe. Or the
missing members might have changed so much in the meantime that their return would be
disappointing. I have to guess that they have already changed since their posting heyday,
and that that is one reason they're not here anymore. :dunno:
TBH, I dont think its so much that the members have changed, so much as its their relationships with one another have changed.
If we were to get all of that group together again, there would likely be open warfare :litigious: :tooledup: :flamer: :vader:
Factor in the newer members and it could be Armageddon! :zombiefuck:
I propose a re-recruitment drive >:D
You could call it "Operation Pandora's Box." :CanofWorms:
From Sir Les -
Yes, yes. And Lit will write something against the establishment. L will needle Ricky. Lestat will mention som chemical I have never heard of. Queen Vic will say something insightful.
Yes I like routine things too
From me -
Shakespeare wrote better drama and comedy
James Joyce wrote longer sentences.
Everyone knows how to quote.
Even Ron Jeremy knew when to quit.
Everyone is right and everyone is wrong.
Who would like some tea?
This is still going on? :yawn:
Butterflies, if you don't like it here, leave and start your own place for the younger crowd. That will get you a better result than complaining incessantly about the age demographics of I2.
From Sir Les -
Yes, yes. And Lit will write something against the establishment. L will needle Ricky. Lestat will mention som chemical I have never heard of. Queen Vic will say something insightful.
Yes I like routine things too
From me -
Shakespeare wrote better drama and comedy
James Joyce wrote longer sentences.
Everyone knows how to quote.
Even Ron Jeremy knew when to quit.
Everyone is right and everyone is wrong.
Who would like some tea?
I will have tea :cbc: :tea: if there are snacks to go with it!
Papiliones mihi grati sunt :heart:tyrannos oderunt papiliones :(
Yes Butterflies. I mentioned pandpora 53 minutes. Before. I used your mock concern/digust or whatever against me mentioning your efforts i bring up personal and private matters of odeon as to be simiar to your doing a callout against me for defending pandora (something like "you are doing her harm and are a bad friend for defending her and therefore highlighting what i said to her).
So YES I used her as an example to highlight a quirk in your argument style and then 53 minutes later or whatever CBC bought her up,
Once CBC bought her up, she stated she was confused as to what was going on and why you were amuseed at the reference to Pandora. (Some one that I HAD referenced 53 minutes before in case you believe I am trying to distance myself from this). I know that CBC knows Pandora from AFF. I knew what her names are over there. We are both from AFF and I was probably in the best position, ironically (given my lack of brevity), to succinctly get her up to speed. I did this, rather than leave her in the dark.
Now did I cause CBC to make the faux pas over Pandora? Did I quickly bring CBC up to speed? Did CBC know what was going on? Was she in need of some one to explain? As i knew how CBC would know Pandora, and where she could read at her leisure the association here that i referenced by links, was I well placed to let her know? Does any of these questions have anything to do whether I mentioned Pandora before?
OR
was I just desperate to mention Pandora?
Go for honesty and credible here Butterflies.
From Sir Les -
Yes, yes. And Lit will write something against the establishment. L will needle Ricky. Lestat will mention som chemical I have never heard of. Queen Vic will say something insightful.
Yes I like routine things too
From me -
Shakespeare wrote better drama and comedy
James Joyce wrote longer sentences.
Everyone knows how to quote.
Even Ron Jeremy knew when to quit.
Everyone is right and everyone is wrong.
Who would like some tea?
I will have tea :cbc: :tea: if there are snacks to go with it!
What snacks did you bring from the Palace kitchen?
Papiliones mihi grati sunt :heart:tyrannos oderunt papiliones :(
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
Papiliones mihi grati sunt :heart:tyrannos oderunt papiliones :(
Odi tyrannos! :viking: :hug:
Papiliones mihi grati sunt :heart:tyrannos oderunt papiliones :(
Odi tyrannos! :viking: :hug:
tyrannos exsecutioni mandari debere :green: :green: :green:
Papiliones mihi grati sunt :heart:tyrannos oderunt papiliones :(
Odi tyrannos! :viking: :hug:
tyrannos exsecutioni mandari debere :green: :green: :green:
Vero! Sic semper tyrannis! :viking:
I brought carrot cake, enough for everyone! :green:
Estne placenta carotae bona? :-\
Yes Butterflies. I mentioned pandpora 53 minutes. Before. I used your mock concern/digust or whatever against me mentioning your efforts i bring up personal and private matters of odeon as to be simiar to your doing a callout against me for defending pandora (something like "you are doing her harm and are a bad friend for defending her and therefore highlighting what i said to her).
So YES I used her as an example to highlight a quirk in your argument style and then 53 minutes later or whatever CBC bought her up,
Once CBC bought her up, she stated she was confused as to what was going on and why you were amuseed at the reference to Pandora. (Some one that I HAD referenced 53 minutes before in case you believe I am trying to distance myself from this). I know that CBC knows Pandora from AFF. I knew what her names are over there. We are both from AFF and I was probably in the best position, ironically (given my lack of brevity), to succinctly get her up to speed. I did this, rather than leave her in the dark.
Now did I cause CBC to make the faux pas over Pandora? Did I quickly bring CBC up to speed? Did CBC know what was going on? Was she in need of some one to explain? As i knew how CBC would know Pandora, and where she could read at her leisure the association here that i referenced by links, was I well placed to let her know? Does any of these questions have anything to do whether I mentioned Pandora before?
OR
was I just desperate to mention Pandora?
Go for honesty and credible here Butterflies.
To paraphrase Odeon. Good rewrite Les :2thumbsup:
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
You dont have the right to decide what one of Bods points I should comment on. That is very arrogant :thumbdn:
Save me a slice!I brought carrot cake, enough for everyone! :green:
I call the gluten-free one!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BzTxyhhHESQ/TA_YBTKfzfI/AAAAAAAAABE/kuKvHrQbtZ8/s1600/Puppy_dogs.jpg)Hey! I totally have that poster!
Save me a slice!
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
You dont have the right to decide what one of Bods points I should comment on. That is very arrogant :thumbdn:
You are absolutely right, I don't have that right. Is that what you think this is about, dear?
Yes Butterflies. I mentioned pandpora 53 minutes. Before. I used your mock concern/digust or whatever against me mentioning your efforts i bring up personal and private matters of odeon as to be simiar to your doing a callout against me for defending pandora (something like "you are doing her harm and are a bad friend for defending her and therefore highlighting what i said to her).
So YES I used her as an example to highlight a quirk in your argument style and then 53 minutes later or whatever CBC bought her up,
Once CBC bought her up, she stated she was confused as to what was going on and why you were amuseed at the reference to Pandora. (Some one that I HAD referenced 53 minutes before in case you believe I am trying to distance myself from this). I know that CBC knows Pandora from AFF. I knew what her names are over there. We are both from AFF and I was probably in the best position, ironically (given my lack of brevity), to succinctly get her up to speed. I did this, rather than leave her in the dark.
Now did I cause CBC to make the faux pas over Pandora? Did I quickly bring CBC up to speed? Did CBC know what was going on? Was she in need of some one to explain? As i knew how CBC would know Pandora, and where she could read at her leisure the association here that i referenced by links, was I well placed to let her know? Does any of these questions have anything to do whether I mentioned Pandora before?
OR
was I just desperate to mention Pandora?
Go for honesty and credible here Butterflies.
To paraphrase Odeon. Good rewrite Les :2thumbsup:
A re-write? OK. A rewrite would reason that I am changing the history and facts to misrepresent the situation
So let's not assert but instead ask.
1) Did CBC mention Pandora independently of me?
2) Was she aware of the fact that i had mentioned Pandora 53 minutes before hand?
3) Were both of our references linked?
4) Did the responses she got back make sense to her?
5) Did she post that she had no idea why this was this was funny?
6) Did i put her up to this?
7) Was Pandora known under another alias or two that CBC would know?
8) Was there anyone else online who knew her of old and knew both the aliases and where and how CBC would know her?
9) Did i do more in explaining to CBC in my post to her than mentioning her AFF name and linking the relevance to why people here knew who she was?
OK a big one....how is this a rewrite?
Holding rigidly onto your facepalm-worthy, failing position is rather embarassing. It was on a callout you made on me, it was when Ricky placed himself on ignore and....I see it slowly gettin there now. Keep going Butterflies I want to see where this ends up.
Papiliones fortes sunt! 8)
omg the Pandora shit again? :laugh:
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
You dont have the right to decide what one of Bods points I should comment on. That is very arrogant :thumbdn:
You are absolutely right, I don't have that right. Is that what you think this is about, dear?
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
When the argument fails, revert to patronizing the woman. You fat sexist pig :facepalm2:
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
You dont have the right to decide what one of Bods points I should comment on. That is very arrogant :thumbdn:
You are absolutely right, I don't have that right. Is that what you think this is about, dear?
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
When the argument fails, revert to patronizing the woman. You fat sexist pig :facepalm2:
I thought you'd bite. :hahaha:
I'd love another cat, but, that's not wise. I don't want a puppy, can I have some quality catfood instead?
Yes Butterflies. I mentioned pandpora 53 minutes. Before. I used your mock concern/digust or whatever against me mentioning your efforts i bring up personal and private matters of odeon as to be simiar to your doing a callout against me for defending pandora (something like "you are doing her harm and are a bad friend for defending her and therefore highlighting what i said to her).
So YES I used her as an example to highlight a quirk in your argument style and then 53 minutes later or whatever CBC bought her up,
Once CBC bought her up, she stated she was confused as to what was going on and why you were amuseed at the reference to Pandora. (Some one that I HAD referenced 53 minutes before in case you believe I am trying to distance myself from this). I know that CBC knows Pandora from AFF. I knew what her names are over there. We are both from AFF and I was probably in the best position, ironically (given my lack of brevity), to succinctly get her up to speed. I did this, rather than leave her in the dark.
Now did I cause CBC to make the faux pas over Pandora? Did I quickly bring CBC up to speed? Did CBC know what was going on? Was she in need of some one to explain? As i knew how CBC would know Pandora, and where she could read at her leisure the association here that i referenced by links, was I well placed to let her know? Does any of these questions have anything to do whether I mentioned Pandora before?
OR
was I just desperate to mention Pandora?
Go for honesty and credible here Butterflies.
To paraphrase Odeon. Good rewrite Les :2thumbsup:
A re-write? OK. A rewrite would reason that I am changing the history and facts to misrepresent the situation
So let's not assert but instead ask.
1) Did CBC mention Pandora independently of me?
2) Was she aware of the fact that i had mentioned Pandora 53 minutes before hand?
3) Were both of our references linked?
4) Did the responses she got back make sense to her?
5) Did she post that she had no idea why this was this was funny?
6) Did i put her up to this?
7) Was Pandora known under another alias or two that CBC would know?
8) Was there anyone else online who knew her of old and knew both the aliases and where and how CBC would know her?
9) Did i do more in explaining to CBC in my post to her than mentioning her AFF name and linking the relevance to why people here knew who she was?
OK a big one....how is this a rewrite?
Holding rigidly onto your facepalm-worthy, failing position is rather embarassing. It was on a callout you made on me, it was when Ricky placed himself on ignore and....I see it slowly gettin there now. Keep going Butterflies I want to see where this ends up.
Cool rewrite Bro :2thumbsup:
Yes Butterflies. I mentioned pandpora 53 minutes. Before. I used your mock concern/digust or whatever against me mentioning your efforts i bring up personal and private matters of odeon as to be simiar to your doing a callout against me for defending pandora (something like "you are doing her harm and are a bad friend for defending her and therefore highlighting what i said to her).
So YES I used her as an example to highlight a quirk in your argument style and then 53 minutes later or whatever CBC bought her up,
Once CBC bought her up, she stated she was confused as to what was going on and why you were amuseed at the reference to Pandora. (Some one that I HAD referenced 53 minutes before in case you believe I am trying to distance myself from this). I know that CBC knows Pandora from AFF. I knew what her names are over there. We are both from AFF and I was probably in the best position, ironically (given my lack of brevity), to succinctly get her up to speed. I did this, rather than leave her in the dark.
Now did I cause CBC to make the faux pas over Pandora? Did I quickly bring CBC up to speed? Did CBC know what was going on? Was she in need of some one to explain? As i knew how CBC would know Pandora, and where she could read at her leisure the association here that i referenced by links, was I well placed to let her know? Does any of these questions have anything to do whether I mentioned Pandora before?
OR
was I just desperate to mention Pandora?
Go for honesty and credible here Butterflies.
To paraphrase Odeon. Good rewrite Les :2thumbsup:
A re-write? OK. A rewrite would reason that I am changing the history and facts to misrepresent the situation
So let's not assert but instead ask.
1) Did CBC mention Pandora independently of me?
2) Was she aware of the fact that i had mentioned Pandora 53 minutes before hand?
3) Were both of our references linked?
4) Did the responses she got back make sense to her?
5) Did she post that she had no idea why this was this was funny?
6) Did i put her up to this?
7) Was Pandora known under another alias or two that CBC would know?
8) Was there anyone else online who knew her of old and knew both the aliases and where and how CBC would know her?
9) Did i do more in explaining to CBC in my post to her than mentioning her AFF name and linking the relevance to why people here knew who she was?
OK a big one....how is this a rewrite?
Holding rigidly onto your facepalm-worthy, failing position is rather embarassing. It was on a callout you made on me, it was when Ricky placed himself on ignore and....I see it slowly gettin there now. Keep going Butterflies I want to see where this ends up.
Cool rewrite Bro :2thumbsup:
Ah OK. Why didn't you just say that you did not know what rewrite meant.? See I am not THAT mean. If you are ignorant or stupid, just admit it. I will be sensitive to this lacking.
It may Explain all the misrepresentations and deviations from logic and truth .
So now, are you wilfully ignorant/stupid or is this not a bad act ?
Yes Butterflies. I mentioned pandpora 53 minutes. Before. I used your mock concern/digust or whatever against me mentioning your efforts i bring up personal and private matters of odeon as to be simiar to your doing a callout against me for defending pandora (something like "you are doing her harm and are a bad friend for defending her and therefore highlighting what i said to her).
So YES I used her as an example to highlight a quirk in your argument style and then 53 minutes later or whatever CBC bought her up,
Once CBC bought her up, she stated she was confused as to what was going on and why you were amuseed at the reference to Pandora. (Some one that I HAD referenced 53 minutes before in case you believe I am trying to distance myself from this). I know that CBC knows Pandora from AFF. I knew what her names are over there. We are both from AFF and I was probably in the best position, ironically (given my lack of brevity), to succinctly get her up to speed. I did this, rather than leave her in the dark.
Now did I cause CBC to make the faux pas over Pandora? Did I quickly bring CBC up to speed? Did CBC know what was going on? Was she in need of some one to explain? As i knew how CBC would know Pandora, and where she could read at her leisure the association here that i referenced by links, was I well placed to let her know? Does any of these questions have anything to do whether I mentioned Pandora before?
OR
was I just desperate to mention Pandora?
Go for honesty and credible here Butterflies.
To paraphrase Odeon. Good rewrite Les :2thumbsup:
A re-write? OK. A rewrite would reason that I am changing the history and facts to misrepresent the situation
So let's not assert but instead ask.
1) Did CBC mention Pandora independently of me?
2) Was she aware of the fact that i had mentioned Pandora 53 minutes before hand?
3) Were both of our references linked?
4) Did the responses she got back make sense to her?
5) Did she post that she had no idea why this was this was funny?
6) Did i put her up to this?
7) Was Pandora known under another alias or two that CBC would know?
8) Was there anyone else online who knew her of old and knew both the aliases and where and how CBC would know her?
9) Did i do more in explaining to CBC in my post to her than mentioning her AFF name and linking the relevance to why people here knew who she was?
OK a big one....how is this a rewrite?
Holding rigidly onto your facepalm-worthy, failing position is rather embarassing. It was on a callout you made on me, it was when Ricky placed himself on ignore and....I see it slowly gettin there now. Keep going Butterflies I want to see where this ends up.
Cool rewrite Bro :2thumbsup:
Ah OK. Why didn't you just say that you did not know what rewrite meant.? See I am not THAT mean. If you are ignorant or stupid, just admit it. I will be sensitive to this lacking.
It may Explain all the misrepresentations and deviations from logic and truth .
So now, are you wilfully ignorant/stupid or is this not a bad act ?
I cant be bothered trying to read your essay.
I think what this situation calls for, is for you to rewrite that essay explaining why your previous essay wasnt a rewrite.
Hopefully your next essay should clear up any confusion :2thumbsup:
@Les. Im trying to see your point, but it would help if you could go into greater detail. It feels like youre being deliberately vague.
Just give me a nice little essay, preferably with a 10 minute powerpoint presentation, uploaded onto Youtube.
@Les. Im trying to see your point, but it would help if you could go into greater detail. It feels like youre being deliberately vague.
Just give me a nice little essay, preferably with a 10 minute powerpoint presentation, uploaded onto Youtube.
But Butterflies if you do not understand what has been said, then surely all that you suggest will be a waste of everyone's time. It would be cruel too. If as i say you are really having difficulties with these concepts, then it would be cruel in the same way that giving a book of advanced astrophysics to a year 5 and telling them to study up as they will be tested on it shortly.
I simply assumed you were more intelligent and rational than you were letting on, and your ignorance and stupidity, and inability to represent any point in this discussion rationally and logically, was due to you playing the idiot.
I am big enough to recognise a fault. You are not playing the idiot because it is not an act.
lol Butterflies, are yyou really hurt and upset after being called stupid by someone like Les? :laugh:
Also I see Callaway is slowly but surely making her way thru this thread haha
I wonder how long it takes her to read a book :zoinks:
@Les. Im trying to see your point, but it would help if you could go into greater detail. It feels like youre being deliberately vague.
Just give me a nice little essay, preferably with a 10 minute powerpoint presentation, uploaded onto Youtube.
But Butterflies if you do not understand what has been said, then surely all that you suggest will be a waste of everyone's time. It would be cruel too. If as i say you are really having difficulties with these concepts, then it would be cruel in the same way that giving a book of advanced astrophysics to a year 5 and telling them to study up as they will be tested on it shortly.
I simply assumed you were more intelligent and rational than you were letting on, and your ignorance and stupidity, and inability to represent any point in this discussion rationally and logically, was due to you playing the idiot.
I am big enough to recognise a fault. You are not playing the idiot because it is not an act.
I love the way you subtly compare your essays with advanced astrophysics :nerdy: :probe:
Its comments like that which ensure that this tete-a-tete will never go stale :thumbup:
Now, c'mon Les. You know you want to, so get typing. I want to see a 500 word essay on how you werent comparing your essays to astrophysics, or whatever random shite you tend to fill your essays with :squiddy:
lol Butterflies, are yyou really hurt and upset after being called stupid by someone like Les? :laugh:
When you say I am being paranoid and show as your evidence for this a a passage you wrote that I interpret differently apparently to you read it and neither your explanation nor my interpretaion was a source of paranoia to either of us.
It is either you are struggling with your critical reasoning and intellect, in which case good on you for trying OR it is all an act.
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
When you say I am being paranoid and show as your evidence for this a a passage you wrote that I interpret differently apparently to you read it and neither your explanation nor my interpretaion was a source of paranoia to either of us.
It is either you are struggling with your critical reasoning and intellect, in which case good on you for trying OR it is all an act.
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
See Les. This is what you can do when you really put your mind to it.
A perfect example of almost Randy-esque babble, followed by some of the most hilariously misplaced arrogance imaginable.
I thought you were trying to pick a fight with me, but all along, you were simply cementing your place as the true master of irony :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:
When you say I am being paranoid and show as your evidence for this a a passage you wrote that I interpret differently apparently to you read it and neither your explanation nor my interpretaion was a source of paranoia to either of us.
It is either you are struggling with your critical reasoning and intellect, in which case good on you for trying OR it is all an act.
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
See Les. This is what you can do when you really put your mind to it.
A perfect example of almost Randy-esque babble, followed by some of the most hilariously misplaced arrogance imaginable.
I thought you were trying to pick a fight with me, but all along, you were simply cementing your place as the true master of irony :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:
Now "No you" defense. Why back yourself when you can deflect and project?
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
He reminds me of the drunk in the boozer, who thinks he wins every argument because he can shout louder than anyone else, and because hes still shouting after everyone else has gone home :nerdy:
But yes, I can imagine him hunched over his keyboard, sweat dripping onto the keys, as he furiously beats out another very strange, badly written essay on what an evil person I am.
I wonder what life must be like for someone like that :'( :'(
I think I finally convinced her to not continue debating with you. :zoinks:
lol
lol
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
You dont have the right to decide what one of Bods points I should comment on. That is very arrogant :thumbdn:
You are absolutely right, I don't have that right. Is that what you think this is about, dear?
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
When the argument fails, revert to patronizing the woman. You fat sexist pig :facepalm2:
I thought you'd bite. :hahaha:
Yeah right Jabba, dont pretend you were just fishing :thumbdn:
I think that using yours and Les' logic, this proves without doubt that you are a male chauvinist pig :police:
Herp derp
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I really don't know why you bother when you don't have anything to say.
Herp derp
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Fixed.
I really don't know why you bother when you don't have anything to say.
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
Butterflies, I don't think you are evil and have never said so. Why misrepresent, again?
Dont worry, Al, she is just projecting her self-image on you. Just a creepy odd little woman.Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
I kinda imagine that you probably smell a lot of stale sweat. This is not based on your avatar, but is instead based on my perception of you as a creepy, odd, dirty little man.
For some reason, I just imagine you having a secret stash of undies that you have surreptitiously snaffled from the washing lines of your attractive female neighbours.
Dont worry, Al, she is just projecting her self-image on you. Just a creepy odd little woman.Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
I kinda imagine that you probably smell a lot of stale sweat. This is not based on your avatar, but is instead based on my perception of you as a creepy, odd, dirty little man.
For some reason, I just imagine you having a secret stash of undies that you have surreptitiously snaffled from the washing lines of your attractive female neighbours.
aww, jeez , I am crushed that you would say such a thingDont worry, Al, she is just projecting her self-image on you. Just a creepy odd little woman.Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
I kinda imagine that you probably smell a lot of stale sweat. This is not based on your avatar, but is instead based on my perception of you as a creepy, odd, dirty little man.
For some reason, I just imagine you having a secret stash of undies that you have surreptitiously snaffled from the washing lines of your attractive female neighbours.
Frankly Sky, you might be the only one on the site who can give Les a run for his money in the "sad old man" stakes :thumbup:
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
You dont have the right to decide what one of Bods points I should comment on. That is very arrogant :thumbdn:
You are absolutely right, I don't have that right. Is that what you think this is about, dear?
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
When the argument fails, revert to patronizing the woman. You fat sexist pig :facepalm2:
I thought you'd bite. :hahaha:
Yeah right Jabba, dont pretend you were just fishing :thumbdn:
I think that using yours and Les' logic, this proves without doubt that you are a male chauvinist pig :police:
My god you are easy.
And besides that, Al is my junior by probably 10 years.
You, may address me as Sir
I am your superior in age, even you have admitted that.And besides that, Al is my junior by probably 10 years.
You, may address me as Sir
I think Les is a lot closer to being 20 years your junior.
I'll start calling you sir, when you become my superior in some way :thumbup:
Herp derp
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Fixed.
I really don't know why you bother when you don't have anything to say.
...did you deliberately shoot yourself in your foot?
:zoinks:
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
You dont have the right to decide what one of Bods points I should comment on. That is very arrogant :thumbdn:
You are absolutely right, I don't have that right. Is that what you think this is about, dear?
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
When the argument fails, revert to patronizing the woman. You fat sexist pig :facepalm2:
I thought you'd bite. :hahaha:
Yeah right Jabba, dont pretend you were just fishing :thumbdn:
I think that using yours and Les' logic, this proves without doubt that you are a male chauvinist pig :police:
My god you are easy.
Oh come on now Jabba. Just admit that you accidently let slip a sexist comment :lol1:
I wont think any less of you.
I am your superior in age, even you have admitted that.And besides that, Al is my junior by probably 10 years.
You, may address me as Sir
I think Les is a lot closer to being 20 years your junior.
I'll start calling you sir, when you become my superior in some way :thumbup:
Enjoy growing older :), dummy
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
You dont have the right to decide what one of Bods points I should comment on. That is very arrogant :thumbdn:
You are absolutely right, I don't have that right. Is that what you think this is about, dear?
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
When the argument fails, revert to patronizing the woman. You fat sexist pig :facepalm2:
I thought you'd bite. :hahaha:
Yeah right Jabba, dont pretend you were just fishing :thumbdn:
I think that using yours and Les' logic, this proves without doubt that you are a male chauvinist pig :police:
My god you are easy.
Oh come on now Jabba. Just admit that you accidently let slip a sexist comment :lol1:
I wont think any less of you.
You'd like that, I'm sure, but sorry--the comment was designed to provoke a response, which it did. Pissed you off.
If you'd rather try to explain away your inability to decipher Bodie's post, feel free to do so instead. :zoinks:
I don't know who is worse, skyblue or richard.
caeluscaeruleusunus non fortis est :thumbdn:
Is that your arse, Bodie? Looks relly tasty :eyebrows:
I think this thread is really starting to turn a corner.
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
You dont have the right to decide what one of Bods points I should comment on. That is very arrogant :thumbdn:
You are absolutely right, I don't have that right. Is that what you think this is about, dear?
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
When the argument fails, revert to patronizing the woman. You fat sexist pig :facepalm2:
I thought you'd bite. :hahaha:
Yeah right Jabba, dont pretend you were just fishing :thumbdn:
I think that using yours and Les' logic, this proves without doubt that you are a male chauvinist pig :police:
My god you are easy.
Oh come on now Jabba. Just admit that you accidently let slip a sexist comment :lol1:
I wont think any less of you.
You'd like that, I'm sure, but sorry--the comment was designed to provoke a response, which it did. Pissed you off.
If you'd rather try to explain away your inability to decipher Bodie's post, feel free to do so instead. :zoinks:
I gonna try and call a bit of a timeout here.
Jabba, when this started, you were making all sorts of weird and wonderful accusations. It was fun for me, and probably for you too.
Now you only seem to be interested in trying to convince people that your comment wasnt sexist. This is just boring.
I have no real argument with you.If you have no more accusations to throw at me, would you not be best letting this die.
You can read. You just don't understand. That's worse, IMHO.
Oh well.
You dont have the right to decide what one of Bods points I should comment on. That is very arrogant :thumbdn:
You are absolutely right, I don't have that right. Is that what you think this is about, dear?
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
When the argument fails, revert to patronizing the woman. You fat sexist pig :facepalm2:
I thought you'd bite. :hahaha:
Yeah right Jabba, dont pretend you were just fishing :thumbdn:
I think that using yours and Les' logic, this proves without doubt that you are a male chauvinist pig :police:
My god you are easy.
Oh come on now Jabba. Just admit that you accidently let slip a sexist comment :lol1:
I wont think any less of you.
You'd like that, I'm sure, but sorry--the comment was designed to provoke a response, which it did. Pissed you off.
If you'd rather try to explain away your inability to decipher Bodie's post, feel free to do so instead. :zoinks:
I gonna try and call a bit of a timeout here.
Jabba, when this started, you were making all sorts of weird and wonderful accusations. It was fun for me, and probably for you too.
Now you only seem to be interested in trying to convince people that your comment wasnt sexist. This is just boring.
I have no real argument with you.If you have no more accusations to throw at me, would you not be best letting this die.
I don't have to explain anything. You, on the other hand, have left holes all over your so-called arguments. I find it extremely amusing that you are so easy to derail, tbh, and I might do it again, while waiting for you to fill those holes.
Not that I believe you will do it, dear.
butterflies is practice trolling
she needs more practice ::)
just let her prattle on
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
I kinda imagine that you probably smell a lot of stale sweat. This is not based on your avatar, but is instead based on my perception of you as a creepy, odd, dirty little man.
For some reason, I just imagine you having a secret stash of undies that you have surreptitiously snaffled from the washing lines of your attractive female neighbours.
yes....butterflies is practice trolling
she needs more practice ::)
just let her prattle on
If I was practice trolling, do you think Jabba and Les would still be trying to argue with me, 35 pages later :facepalm2:
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
I kinda imagine that you probably smell a lot of stale sweat. This is not based on your avatar, but is instead based on my perception of you as a creepy, odd, dirty little man.
For some reason, I just imagine you having a secret stash of undies that you have surreptitiously snaffled from the washing lines of your attractive female neighbours.
You know, I could be all offended that some girl half a world away is thinking weird shit about me based on nothing but dislike. But I tend to just smirk at it and think " what a loser. She is wasting her youth fantasising on what some mid
Middle-aged Aussie bloke is like and what sexual fetishes he may have."
Are you serious when you write this and you want mevtk humour you by feigning offense or by posting denials?
I don't imagine you Butterflies. I visit a forum that you post on and sometimes I respond to those posts.
So no Butterflies. No defending my hygiene nor sexual preferences. I am instead going to ask you to have a think about what I just wrote.
butterflies is practice trolling
she needs more practice ::)
just let her prattle on
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
I kinda imagine that you probably smell a lot of stale sweat. This is not based on your avatar, but is instead based on my perception of you as a creepy, odd, dirty little man.
For some reason, I just imagine you having a secret stash of undies that you have surreptitiously snaffled from the washing lines of your attractive female neighbours.
You know, I could be all offended that some girl half a world away is thinking weird shit about me based on nothing but dislike. But I tend to just smirk at it and think " what a loser. She is wasting her youth fantasising on what some mid
Middle-aged Aussie bloke is like and what sexual fetishes he may have."
Are you serious when you write this and you want mevtk humour you by feigning offense or by posting denials?
I don't imagine you Butterflies. I visit a forum that you post on and sometimes I respond to those posts.
So no Butterflies. No defending my hygiene nor sexual preferences. I am instead going to ask you to have a think about what I just wrote.
Of course you shouldnt be offended, and any denials would be futile.
Im just basing my opinions of you on the image you give off when you post here.
In reality, you could be a successful man, who washes regularly, changes his pants, and who doesnt creep out his neighbours.
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
I kinda imagine that you probably smell a lot of stale sweat. This is not based on your avatar, but is instead based on my perception of you as a creepy, odd, dirty little man.
For some reason, I just imagine you having a secret stash of undies that you have surreptitiously snaffled from the washing lines of your attractive female neighbours.
You know, I could be all offended that some girl half a world away is thinking weird shit about me based on nothing but dislike. But I tend to just smirk at it and think " what a loser. She is wasting her youth fantasising on what some mid
Middle-aged Aussie bloke is like and what sexual fetishes he may have."
Are you serious when you write this and you want mevtk humour you by feigning offense or by posting denials?
I don't imagine you Butterflies. I visit a forum that you post on and sometimes I respond to those posts.
So no Butterflies. No defending my hygiene nor sexual preferences. I am instead going to ask you to have a think about what I just wrote.
Of course you shouldnt be offended, and any denials would be futile.
Im just basing my opinions of you on the image you give off when you post here.
In reality, you could be a successful man, who washes regularly, changes his pants, and who doesnt creep out his neighbours.
You are not a very meaningful part of my life.
And here you are, replying.
And here you are, replying.
Well, naturally. I said I wouldnt "spend a significant part of my free time composing detailed essays for them."
I dont mind giving a quickie.
:lol1: :plus:I think this thread is really starting to turn a corner.
'Fraid not. Circles don't have corners. :P
:vibrator:And here you are, replying.
Well, naturally. I said I wouldnt "spend a significant part of my free time composing detailed essays for them."
I dont mind giving a quickie.
Fixed :oooh:
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
I kinda imagine that you probably smell a lot of stale sweat. This is not based on your avatar, but is instead based on my perception of you as a creepy, odd, dirty little man.
For some reason, I just imagine you having a secret stash of undies that you have surreptitiously snaffled from the washing lines of your attractive female neighbours.
You know, I could be all offended that some girl half a world away is thinking weird shit about me based on nothing but dislike. But I tend to just smirk at it and think " what a loser. She is wasting her youth fantasising on what some mid
Middle-aged Aussie bloke is like and what sexual fetishes he may have."
Are you serious when you write this and you want mevtk humour you by feigning offense or by posting denials?
I don't imagine you Butterflies. I visit a forum that you post on and sometimes I respond to those posts.
So no Butterflies. No defending my hygiene nor sexual preferences. I am instead going to ask you to have a think about what I just wrote.
Of course you shouldnt be offended, and any denials would be futile.
Im just basing my opinions of you on the image you give off when you post here.
In reality, you could be a successful man, who washes regularly, changes his pants, and who doesnt creep out his neighbours.
You are not a very meaningful part of my life.
If someone meant nothing to me, I would not spend a significant part of my free time composing detailed essays for them.
How worthless must your free time be, if you are prepared to spend this amount of time trying to debate absolutely nothing, with someone who means absolutely nothing to you?
If you replaced les's posts with this:
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p209/renaeden/AlS.jpg)
It would still have the same message.
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
I kinda imagine that you probably smell a lot of stale sweat. This is not based on your avatar, but is instead based on my perception of you as a creepy, odd, dirty little man.
For some reason, I just imagine you having a secret stash of undies that you have surreptitiously snaffled from the washing lines of your attractive female neighbours.
You know, I could be all offended that some girl half a world away is thinking weird shit about me based on nothing but dislike. But I tend to just smirk at it and think " what a loser. She is wasting her youth fantasising on what some mid
Middle-aged Aussie bloke is like and what sexual fetishes he may have."
Are you serious when you write this and you want mevtk humour you by feigning offense or by posting denials?
I don't imagine you Butterflies. I visit a forum that you post on and sometimes I respond to those posts.
So no Butterflies. No defending my hygiene nor sexual preferences. I am instead going to ask you to have a think about what I just wrote.
Of course you shouldnt be offended, and any denials would be futile.
Im just basing my opinions of you on the image you give off when you post here.
In reality, you could be a successful man, who washes regularly, changes his pants, and who doesnt creep out his neighbours.
You are not a very meaningful part of my life.
If someone meant nothing to me, I would not spend a significant part of my free time composing detailed essays for them.
How worthless must your free time be, if you are prepared to spend this amount of time trying to debate absolutely nothing, with someone who means absolutely nothing to you?
I dunno. I would say that you can CE entertained or find an interest of pleasure in many things without being invested to the point that you fantasise about it.
If I watch a comedy movie on DVD, does that give me meaning or have I wasted 90 minutes of my life stupidly?
Silly way to frame it isn't it Butterflies? Not in any way an either/or. Silly to suggest I had to find you meaningful to reply to you, huh?
Les overargues and misinterprets any point given to him. For example, he's starting to think I'm having a "I don't care" crusade even though I never explicitly said or implied it. He'll probably type a 12,000 word essay on how I'm wrong, on how I'm pretending to "not care" and how it's really me who misinterprets.
Every time he makes a boring long essay, I actually do imagine his avatar talking with a cigar in his mouth, all while smelling of piss and bending over in an authoritative manner over some "serious business" that he has to tend. Everything he does is an attempt to dick-swing and win the argument, even if his points are meandering and TL;DR. He tries to win by quantity, rather than quality, eroding the person's patience over time until they give up. This is why I try to personally stay out of debating with Les in a serious manner, because what could be discussed in less than a page with one person would take 400+ with Les, since he argues over the most trivial of points to the point of splitting hairs. He has done so already with you, as evidenced by the many threads that grace the debates between you and him.
In other words Butterflies, don't expect him to give up. Even if you're right.
You are imagining me as my avatar and are imagining what I (as my avatar) would do and smell like?
From such a start to such a brilliant essay I can only say that you may suffer for accuracy but you have shown a good aptitude for fiction writing.
When you talk about me writing essays you are alluding to my long posts. This is not short mate. There is a word for people who condemn others for what they do.
Not that you care, right? ;)
I kinda imagine that you probably smell a lot of stale sweat. This is not based on your avatar, but is instead based on my perception of you as a creepy, odd, dirty little man.
For some reason, I just imagine you having a secret stash of undies that you have surreptitiously snaffled from the washing lines of your attractive female neighbours.
You know, I could be all offended that some girl half a world away is thinking weird shit about me based on nothing but dislike. But I tend to just smirk at it and think " what a loser. She is wasting her youth fantasising on what some mid
Middle-aged Aussie bloke is like and what sexual fetishes he may have."
Are you serious when you write this and you want mevtk humour you by feigning offense or by posting denials?
I don't imagine you Butterflies. I visit a forum that you post on and sometimes I respond to those posts.
So no Butterflies. No defending my hygiene nor sexual preferences. I am instead going to ask you to have a think about what I just wrote.
Of course you shouldnt be offended, and any denials would be futile.
Im just basing my opinions of you on the image you give off when you post here.
In reality, you could be a successful man, who washes regularly, changes his pants, and who doesnt creep out his neighbours.
You are not a very meaningful part of my life.
If someone meant nothing to me, I would not spend a significant part of my free time composing detailed essays for them.
How worthless must your free time be, if you are prepared to spend this amount of time trying to debate absolutely nothing, with someone who means absolutely nothing to you?
I dunno. I would say that you can CE entertained or find an interest of pleasure in many things without being invested to the point that you fantasise about it.
If I watch a comedy movie on DVD, does that give me meaning or have I wasted 90 minutes of my life stupidly?
Silly way to frame it isn't it Butterflies? Not in any way an either/or. Silly to suggest I had to find you meaningful to reply to you, huh?
I dont know what "CE entertained" means, but it pleases me that it gives you pleasure :thumbup:
Sir Les certainly doesn't remind me of Al Swearengen. I have more in common with a Roman pony than he has with Al Swearengen.
Loquor latine. Fortis sum 8)
Equi romani faciunt 8)
Good luck with trying to get correct Latin from Google Translate :hahaha:
Sir Les certainly doesn't remind me of Al Swearengen. I have more in common with a Roman pony than he has with Al Swearengen.
Sir Les certainly doesn't remind me of Al Swearengen. I have more in common with a Roman pony than he has with Al Swearengen.
Do you have a long, luxurious tail? :zoinks:
Sir Les certainly doesn't remind me of Al Swearengen. I have more in common with a Roman pony than he has with Al Swearengen.
Do you have a long, luxurious tail? :zoinks:
This isn't locked anymore?
This isn't locked anymore?
Everyone has had time to calm the fuck down :M
This isn't locked anymore?
Everyone has had time to calm the fuck down :M
Well, they've fucked off.
Time to get everybody all riled up again. :trollface:
Time to get everybody all riled up again. :trollface:
Time to get everybody all riled up again. :trollface:
I don't know how :(
Time to get everybody all riled up again. :trollface:
Can't be arsed.Time to get everybody all riled up again. :trollface:
I don't know how :(
Not a lot you can do. They left. Schleed finally realised it's what he's been saying all along. He doesn't like me, he only wants to hang out with his friends. None of them are here I think.
Lit will be back, though.
Yes. He will basically agree with someone like Schleed who will inevitably lose and fuck off as a result, and so he'll disappear for a few weeks or so.
I hope not, though, because in spite of our differences I really like Lit.
Anyway, does my bum look big in this?
I really don't mind arguments. I usually feel inclined one way or another. I wasn't fired up in this thread. No one really riled me up.
Anyway, does my bum look big in this? and has anyone seen my imaginary friend around?
So, anyway, back to my original post some 42 pages back. :zoinks:
...looking for a wide angle lens :zoinks:
...looking for a wide angle lens :zoinks:
I think any old webcam will do :autism:
Bodie, is that you in your avatar? :apondering:
...looking for a wide angle lens :zoinks:
I think any old webcam will do :autism:
Yes. Please don't think we won't appreciate a simpler technology.
...looking for a wide angle lens :zoinks:
I think any old webcam will do :autism:
Yes. Please don't think we won't appreciate a simpler technology.
Bodie is already the bravest gal on here. Not much left that she hasn't shown off at this point. :)
Spokane is the only one who posted more, I think.
anyway i have already posted myself in the noddy in this thread. then it was locked and i couldn't remove it. :laugh:
i am not shy :viking:
then it was locked and i couldn't remove it. :laugh:
i think it's very tame really. in my dark dark young days i used to do much worse stuff on web cam for money.... before i was all mumsy that is.
it became fine for me, as long as i wasn't being touched by anyone. since then, i have no real hang ups about pics of me. i like them. i have some really good ones :P
anyway, more respectable i think, for me to do that and continue paying my mortgage and not scrounge off the dole when i was made redundant....?
Would I do what Bodie did if there were an opportunity to make big money? :apondering:
Would I do what Bodie did if there were an opportunity to make big money? :apondering:
Would I do what Bodie did if there were an opportunity to make big money? :apondering:
I had a mortgage to pay. Anyway, i don't do it now, i did move on to the foot fetish market after that. That was easy cash. Have dinky feet though, size 3. It didn't even matter if i had no make up on and my hair was banshee style - only see from the ankle down.
I still send filth to my intermittent man, though. Usually when i know he is on the other side of europe :zoinks:
Yes. He will basically agree with someone like Schleed who will inevitably lose and fuck off as a result, and so he'll disappear for a few weeks or so.You say this so often I wonder if he is your sock puppet.
I hope not, though, because in spite of our differences I really like Lit.
:thumbdn:This isn't locked anymore?
Everyone has had time to calm the fuck down :M
Well, they've fucked off.
That's what I mean :zoinks:
anyway i have already posted myself in the noddy in this thread. then it was locked and i couldn't remove it. :laugh:
i am not shy :viking:
No, you most certainly are not. I have to say I don't really know how to react at times.
This isn't locked anymore?
Everyone has had time to calm the fuck down :M
Well, they've fucked off.
anyway i have already posted myself in the noddy in this thread. then it was locked and i couldn't remove it. :laugh:
i am not shy :viking:
No, you most certainly are not. I have to say I don't really know how to react at times.
hardly in your face a lot...it's not like i am plastered all over your site! Suggestion: try looking away :M
If we let in Sol, General Razorbeard and Buttcoffee again, it'd be more interesting :autism:
Who was not calm? ???
anyway i have already posted myself in the noddy in this thread. then it was locked and i couldn't remove it. :laugh:
i am not shy :viking:
No, you most certainly are not. I have to say I don't really know how to react at times.
hardly in your face a lot...it's not like i am plastered all over your site! Suggestion: try looking away :M
If we let in Sol, General Razorbeard and Buttcoffee again, it'd be more interesting :autism:
Speaking of these people, does anyone know where they could be found? The'd be great for trolling the A+ forums.
Well i will resist the urge to expose too much and post very wholesome pics from now on in my little house on the prairie dress :zoinks:
MLA decided he wanted to focus on his studies instead of wasting his time here and so deleted his account.
Well, he'd have to answer that one. I can't see myself leaving this place any time soon, but I can understand why someone would make that choice.
Well, he'd have to answer that one. I can't see myself leaving this place any time soon, but I can understand why someone would make that choice.
I couldn't leave here. Even if I started a wonderful-yet-demanding new life elsewhere, I'd keep my account. :green:
Well, he'd have to answer that one. I can't see myself leaving this place any time soon, but I can understand why someone would make that choice.
I couldn't leave here. Even if I started a wonderful-yet-demanding new life elsewhere, I'd keep my account. :green:
Yea, that is my thinking, too. But I2 is very sneaky. It's easy to spend too much time here.
Never saw this. Really missing the Hubert who posts kittens and makes graphs.
Well, he'd have to answer that one. I can't see myself leaving this place any time soon, but I can understand why someone would make that choice.
I couldn't leave here. Even if I started a wonderful-yet-demanding new life elsewhere, I'd keep my account. :green:
Yea, that is my thinking, too. But I2 is very sneaky. It's easy to spend too much time here.
Yeah, you think you're just peeking in and before you know it ... :spacecraft:
Well, he'd have to answer that one. I can't see myself leaving this place any time soon, but I can understand why someone would make that choice.
I couldn't leave here. Even if I started a wonderful-yet-demanding new life elsewhere, I'd keep my account. :green:
Yea, that is my thinking, too. But I2 is very sneaky. It's easy to spend too much time here.
Yeah, you think you're just peeking in and before you know it ... :spacecraft:
And now you found your way to be moderate, or less, in posting and hanging around?
Well, he'd have to answer that one. I can't see myself leaving this place any time soon, but I can understand why someone would make that choice.
I couldn't leave here. Even if I started a wonderful-yet-demanding new life elsewhere, I'd keep my account. :green:
Yea, that is my thinking, too. But I2 is very sneaky. It's easy to spend too much time here.
Yeah, you think you're just peeking in and before you know it ... :spacecraft:
And now you found your way to be moderate, or less, in posting and hanging around?
It's summer. Only taking 6 credits right now. Come August I'll be back at 18 and might disappear again.