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Title: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 06:14:47 PM
what does everyone think about abortion?

Myself, I think first trimester abortions should be legal for any reason, any circumstances.

Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 06:16:17 PM
Your poll needs an anti-voice option. Not my thing, nor my place to tell others what to do.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 06:16:57 PM
So you are pro-choice then, aren't you? If you believe it's not your place to tell others what to do I mean
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Loupgarou on November 01, 2010, 06:18:25 PM
Pro choice all the way......

with EVERYTHING :thumbup:

Loup
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 06:19:19 PM
So you are pro-choice then, aren't you? If you believe it's not your place to tell others what to do I mean
Not really. It's a complicated issue from any angle.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 06:21:23 PM
What's your opinion on it then?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: The_Chosen_One on November 01, 2010, 06:26:07 PM
Mine is that abortion should only be used as a last resort incase either the mother or child is in danger of not surviving, and if the child is so severely handicapped that it would not have a decent life. I don't really believe in abortion on demand, but if it's for a truly medical reason, then yeah.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 06:28:23 PM
What about in cases of very young girls becoming pregnant and/or rape?

Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Callaway on November 01, 2010, 06:29:25 PM
I'm pro choice.  I believe in abortion on demand.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: The_Chosen_One on November 01, 2010, 06:32:18 PM
What about in cases of very young girls becoming pregnant and/or rape?



That may be a different issue, and one I really can't answer. It comes down to each individual case, I guess.

Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 06:33:41 PM
But what is your opinion on it legally? Should a 12 year old girl be allowed an abortion? Should a woman who's been raped be forced to give birth against her wishes? Why?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Scrapheap on November 01, 2010, 06:48:34 PM
Your poll question is a little.. um, erm... loaded.  ::)
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 07:02:19 PM
What's your opinion on it then?
My opinion is, that my opinion on it doesn't matter, hence the anti-voice.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 07:03:34 PM
So you don't have an opinion on whether it should be legal or not?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 07:23:34 PM
I don't think it should be a legal matter at all.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 07:24:43 PM
So you are pro-choice?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 07:30:18 PM
As stated before, not really.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 07:32:35 PM
But if you don't think it should be a legal matter, don't you mean you think women should be able to get an abortion if that's what they want?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 07:37:57 PM
You're making it harder than it really is. If it's not a legal matter then there's no should or should not.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 07:39:16 PM
But you're saying it "should not" be a legal matter. So doesn't that mean it "should not" be something decided by other people , therefore women CAN have an abortionif that is what they want?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 07:51:21 PM
It seems you're trying to force an either/or. Most people see it that way because it is a legal matter, and impossible to escape that fact. If someone says they think abortion is wrong, does that make them pro life?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 07:53:31 PM
No, somoene can think abortion is wrong and still be pro-choice.

To me, it is an either/or thing - either a woman should have the right to have an abortion if that is what she wants. Or she shouldn't have that right.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 01, 2010, 07:56:36 PM
I'm pro-choice, but if I was pregnant with a health baby there's no way I would have an abortion.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Callaway on November 01, 2010, 07:59:11 PM
I'm pro-choice, but if I was pregnant with a health baby there's no way I would have an abortion.

What if you had been raped and made pregnant with a healthy baby that way?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 01, 2010, 08:05:17 PM
I'm pro-choice, but if I was pregnant with a health baby there's no way I would have an abortion.

What if you had been raped and made pregnant with a healthy baby that way?

I knew someone was going to ask me an awkward question like that :laugh: TBH I think I'd keep the baby. I don't think I could blame the baby for what its father done.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 08:09:30 PM
Lol. Let's make it more awkward. You said healthy.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 08:10:24 PM
What do you guys think about the father's rights in all this? Does he have any?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 01, 2010, 08:14:15 PM
Lol. Let's make it more awkward. You said healthy.

I don't think I'd bring a baby into the world if it wasn't going to have a good quality of life.

What do you guys think about the father's rights in all this? Does he have any?

If the woman chooses to have an abortion, then I suppose he probably shouldn't be able to stop her. I would hate to be a guy in that position though.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Callaway on November 01, 2010, 08:15:22 PM
What do you guys think about the father's rights in all this? Does he have any?

What, you think that some guy who raped a woman has the right to make her keep the baby he forced on her?

WTF?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 08:16:40 PM
What do you guys think about the father's rights in all this? Does he have any?
That has nothing to do with the legal either/or you speak of, but do think that's where the legal aspect of the issue should be. Twist on 'the father's rights', do you think men should have the right to choose not to be a parent?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 08:17:26 PM
lol No

I did'nt mean rape either. I was just asking if anyone here thinks a father has any rights when a woman decides to have an abortion. I think the same as Butterflies, as in he obviously shouldn't be able to stop her, but that it would be a fucking shit situation to be in.

I was just asking what other people's opinions are, as I've seen plenty of people online argue that a father SHOULD have rights over abortion
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 08:19:04 PM
What do you guys think about the father's rights in all this? Does he have any?
That has nothing to do with the legal either/or you speak of, but do think that's where the legal aspect of the issue should be. Twist on 'the father's rights', do you think men should have the right to choose not to be a parent?

I still don't ge what you mean by either/or. For abortion, imo it IS about either/or. Either a woman can have an abortion, or she cant.

I'm not sure what I think about the father choosing not to be a paret]nt. I have thought about it in the past but not sure. Maybe they should be able to, but they have to relinquish all rights once they do that, like adoption
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 08:21:05 PM
I still don't ge what you mean by either/or. For abortion, imo it IS about either/or. Either a woman can have an abortion, or she cant.
Was just saying the legal either/or for a woman doesn't have anything to do with men.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 01, 2010, 08:21:28 PM
What do you guys think about the father's rights in all this? Does he have any?
That has nothing to do with the legal either/or you speak of, but do think that's where the legal aspect of the issue should be. Twist on 'the father's rights', do you think men should have the right to choose not to be a parent?

A man shouldn't be able to force a woman to have an abortion.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 08:23:24 PM
I still don't ge what you mean by either/or. For abortion, imo it IS about either/or. Either a woman can have an abortion, or she cant.
Was just saying the legal either/or for a woman doesn't have anything to do with men.

It's related to the abortion topic though. Some people think men SHOULD have a say. I don't. I was just asking
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Osensitive1 on November 01, 2010, 08:24:48 PM
What do you guys think about the father's rights in all this? Does he have any?
That has nothing to do with the legal either/or you speak of, but do think that's where the legal aspect of the issue should be. Twist on 'the father's rights', do you think men should have the right to choose not to be a parent?

A man shouldn't be able to force a woman to have an abortion.
Oh, of course not. See Spastic's post. He got what I was saying. The legal issues after baby is born.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 01, 2010, 08:39:58 PM
What do you guys think about the father's rights in all this? Does he have any?
That has nothing to do with the legal either/or you speak of, but do think that's where the legal aspect of the issue should be. Twist on 'the father's rights', do you think men should have the right to choose not to be a parent?

A man shouldn't be able to force a woman to have an abortion.
Oh, of course not. See Spastic's post. He got what I was saying. The legal issues after baby is born.

I know what you mean. If a woman is still early enough in her pregnancy for an abortion, should the guy be able to opt out, and have no part in it at all, including financially?

I don't know, maybe. It might be worth looking into, but I'm not sure. It's a tricky one.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Scrapheap on November 01, 2010, 08:55:56 PM
I'm pro-choice, but if I was pregnant with a health baby there's no way I would have an abortion.

What if you had been raped and made pregnant with a healthy baby that way?

I knew someone was going to ask me an awkward question like that :laugh: TBH I think I'd keep the baby. I don't think I could blame the baby for what its father done.

Yes, but if you abort in the first trimester, it isn't really a baby, just a clump of cells actually.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 01, 2010, 09:01:51 PM
I'm pro-choice, but if I was pregnant with a health baby there's no way I would have an abortion.

What if you had been raped and made pregnant with a healthy baby that way?

I knew someone was going to ask me an awkward question like that :laugh: TBH I think I'd keep the baby. I don't think I could blame the baby for what its father done.

Yes, but if you abort in the first trimester, it isn't really a baby, just a clump of cells actually.

It's not a moral thing. I like babies, and if I was pregnant I think I'd just keep it. I'd like to have one some day.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Scrapheap on November 01, 2010, 09:05:53 PM
I'm pro-choice, but if I was pregnant with a health baby there's no way I would have an abortion.

What if you had been raped and made pregnant with a healthy baby that way?

I knew someone was going to ask me an awkward question like that :laugh: TBH I think I'd keep the baby. I don't think I could blame the baby for what its father done.

Yes, but if you abort in the first trimester, it isn't really a baby, just a clump of cells actually.

It's not a moral thing. I like babies, and if I was pregnant I think I'd just keep it. I'd like to have one some day.

I can help you if you want.  :eyebrows: :checkout: :elvis:
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 01, 2010, 09:13:12 PM
I'm pro-choice, but if I was pregnant with a health baby there's no way I would have an abortion.

What if you had been raped and made pregnant with a healthy baby that way?

I knew someone was going to ask me an awkward question like that :laugh: TBH I think I'd keep the baby. I don't think I could blame the baby for what its father done.

Yes, but if you abort in the first trimester, it isn't really a baby, just a clump of cells actually.

It's not a moral thing. I like babies, and if I was pregnant I think I'd just keep it. I'd like to have one some day.

I can help you if you want.  :eyebrows: :checkout: :elvis:

Thanks, but I'm not ready just yet. Preferably I'd like to be a bit older, and more settled. But when I'm ready you can send me a small sample of your man-juice, and I can do the rest.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Scrapheap on November 01, 2010, 09:16:30 PM
^^^

Buzzkilington!!! :razz:
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 01, 2010, 09:19:49 PM
^^^

Buzzkilington!!! :razz:

 :green: :green: :green:
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Adam on November 02, 2010, 06:03:35 PM
Conversation in the shoutbox about aborting autistic foetuses. Is it right for someone to havae an abortion for that reason?

Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Loupgarou on November 02, 2010, 06:12:30 PM
It is against natural selection to pick and choose the "validity" or "purity" your offspring, in utero.

But it is likely to exist and people should be able to make the choice, whether it is "right" or not.

What is right for me is not necessarily right for someone else.

I shall meet you all in my bunker, when stupidity prevails and we wipe ourselves out. I got tins of baked beans :zoinks:

Loup