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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: Leto729 on April 09, 2006, 12:54:21 AM
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Is this painting Art or Porn?
(http://www.pinup-art.de/grafik/bilder/frahm/frahm021.jpg)
So mcjagger and all You decide if it is Art or Porn. This needs to be discussed I believe. Look at this painting carefully and thoughtfully to before You decide. Now I know I did post a picture that could have been Porn I have replaced it with a new painting in its place. But mcjagger deleted this painting because He saw it as porn. For whatever reason but his own. I say it not Porn but is Art instead. This painting is a classical pose nude. The model does not show much as in most painting with a classical pose like this. You do not see between her legs or her doing any elude sex act at all. That is My case and defense as this painting in a classical pose is Art.
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It is art, in a way that photographs are not. there is no genitalia on display, no penetration, and importantly is an artists impression. This, the TOS would not cover. Do you see my point? To reiterate: nudie pics = breach TOS, art (unless it is seriously explicit) = does not breach TOS. This is the reason for the no nudie pics rule kevv. Because it is more important to keep us out of trouble over something as frivolous as the right to post porn than to be able to indulge ourselves here with nudie pics, when there are thousands of other places we can go to do that.
As regards porn = right or wrong, there is a discussion about that already. I don't have a personal problem with porn, I enjoy a little one-handed surfing myself, but we need to be responsible in terms of not getting our hosting account terminated over it. drop the subject kevv.
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I think it's classed as cheesecake isn't it?
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Well, i see all things as art, but the porn that we should be worried about putting up is the kind where there is a lot of juice, and people look like theyre having a good time.
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She looks like Rita Hayworth.
I know Marilyn Monroe did nude modelling, but maybe this picture is a "fake nude celeb" from the days before photoshop editing.
Or maybe the picture isn't based on Rita Hayworth at all.
Sure looks like her though ...
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It is art, in a way that photographs are not. there is no genitalia on display, no penetration, and importantly is an artists impression. This, the TOS would not cover. Do you see my point? To reiterate: nudie pics = breach TOS, art (unless it is seriously explicit) = does not breach TOS. This is the reason for the no nudie pics rule kevv. Because it is more important to keep us out of trouble over something as frivolous as the right to post porn than to be able to indulge ourselves here with nudie pics, when there are thousands of other places we can go to do that.
As regards porn = right or wrong, there is a discussion about that already. I don't have a personal problem with porn, I enjoy a little one-handed surfing myself, but we need to be responsible in terms of not getting our hosting account terminated over it. drop the subject kevv.
You draw a line and people will cross it.? Even on intensity where there are so few lines.? You should have said no phtoos at all so people would just rebell by posting innocuous pictures.
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It is a mixture of both art and porn.
But the rule here is "no nudity." So it does violate that rule.
Kevv729 defends the female body! I love it 8).
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Oh please, if I see any more of this debate I'm going to be sick. If the sole purpose of forbidding porn is to not get in trouble with the hosting company, then it makes absolutely no difference what people's definition of porn is. The only definition that matters is the one that would be made by a couple of bored executives sitting in an office somewhere, and their lawyer.
To save people time, here are the first viewpoints you hear when this debate gets started between art school hippies with no lives:
- Everything is art.
- It's art if the creator intended it to be art.
- It's art if the viewer treats it as art.
- It's art if there was skill involved in creating it.
- It's art if I think it's pretty.
- It's art if it challenges social conventions.
If you really want to argue about what art is, go to a postmodern gallery opening, and count how many seconds it takes you to get tired of the bullshit. Because that's what it all is.
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Pyraxis, thank you, a thousand times for your contempt of this topic. While I do think there may be some validity to debating what makes porn porn, if the web host's definition of it is depicting nudity, that's what we're stuck with and everything else is moot as far as bitching about the mods incorrectly defining porn.
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It is art, in a way that photographs are not. there is no genitalia on display, no penetration, and importantly is an artists impression. This, the TOS would not cover. Do you see my point? To reiterate: nudie pics = breach TOS, art (unless it is seriously explicit) = does not breach TOS. This is the reason for the no nudie pics rule kevv. Because it is more important to keep us out of trouble over something as frivolous as the right to post porn than to be able to indulge ourselves here with nudie pics, when there are thousands of other places we can go to do that.
As regards porn = right or wrong, there is a discussion about that already. I don't have a personal problem with porn, I enjoy a little one-handed surfing myself, but we need to be responsible in terms of not getting our hosting account terminated over it. drop the subject kevv.
What if it is offence no nudity at all just blood and gore then what do We do then? Someone here or there might post something on such a subject here. These might need to be spelled out in the end. You see it not just about nudity or graphic whatever. It about standing up and willing to stand-up for it in the end. Something We all need to think about I beleive here.
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Is it art or is it porn?
Let's have a mass debate.
(Aheh! You see what I did there?)
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Agreed, kevv. Lets just say that images of extreme gore and violence may also be likely to cause us legal issues, and not post them either. A possible amendment to the statement I think.
As for being willing to stand up for it, please see Pyraxis's reply. Freedom of speech, yes. Freedom to post offensive, explicit or pornographic images, we don't have unfortunately. Reality bites, I know. ::)
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Oh FFS this has spilled over onto the Neurolands now.
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besides, kevv, you know that if it was down to mcjagger, duncvis, eamonn and myself that there would be images of vaginas and cocks all over the place. ?:D unfortunately, jman's face is the closest we're allowed to get to displaying pictures of twats.
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What if it is offence no nudity at all just blood and gore then what do We do then? Someone here or there might post something on such a subject here. These might need to be spelled out in the end. You see it not just about nudity or graphic whatever. It about standing up and willing to stand-up for it in the end. Something We all need to think about I beleive here.
I'm all for taking a stand but I'm also about picking the right arena for the purpose and considering the bigger picture. Is it worth jeopardising the whole goal of the site over an issue we (both admin and members) have no control over?? Perhaps it would be better to discuss why so many hosting companies prohibit any naked pictures rather than attacking the site admins who have no choice about sticking to the TOS??
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blimey, out of all the hosts in the world did you pick Pure And Wholesome Conservative Christian Webhosting For Jesus Inc. or something??!??!? ::)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/out_of_season/guys%20kissing/joejustyn1.jpg)
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I thought the one in a stripey shirt was a girl until you pointed that out.
Awwww... they really seem to like each other.
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What if it is offence no nudity at all just blood and gore then what do We do then? Someone here or there might post something on such a subject here. These might need to be spelled out in the end. You see it not just about nudity or graphic whatever. It about standing up and willing to stand-up for it in the end. Something We all need to think about I beleive here.
? I'm all for taking a stand but I'm also about picking the right arena for the purpose and considering the bigger picture.? ?Is it worth jeopardising the whole goal of the site over an issue we (both admin and members) have no control over??? Perhaps it would be better to discuss why so many hosting companies prohibit any naked pictures rather than attacking the site admins who have no choice about sticking to the TOS??
You people just think it is about the picture NO that is not it. Now though is DivaD picture offensive may to someone that does yet come here and becomes a member might find it offensive. What the language here or there being used then here or there in the end. That might yet become a Issue too. Who knows Who cares. This might have to be Addressed too. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH ANYBODY AT ALL I WAS USING THIS FOR A PURPOSE ONLY. As I see it only. For everybody here that has said what they wanted have said it have they not. It was meant for Discussion Only.
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have some karma, DivaD! :D
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why do gay men always seem so fit?
even in america, the obese capitol of the world, the gay men have real slender figures and always seem to be in good shape. as compared to the rest of the population of men.
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why do gay men always seem so fit?
even in america, the obese capitol of the world, the gay men have real slender figures and always seem to be in good shape. as compared to the rest of the population of men.
A girl at a club on Saturday thought I was gay or a dancer (or a gay dancer) because of my body (and because I can dance). It made her nervous about me and difficult to approach (but not too difficult). Are gay men really fitter than straight ones though? Maybe the fat ones just stand out less; would you really notice the gender preference of a fat, smelly loner who sat and ate iced buns all day, or would you just assume they were straight? Perhaps most straight guys feel that women won't really mind if they have to lift their beer gut out of the way for sex (true story), whereas gay men are more into preening themselves. Karma to anyone who can find a peer-reviewed paper on the subject.
More OT: What about my twat-drawing avatar?
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More OT: What about my twat-drawing avatar?
art.
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what about a gay mans body?
art.
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have some karma, DivaD! :D
awww thank you :-* *snoggggggggggg* :D
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unfortunately, jman's face is the closest we're allowed to get to displaying pictures of twats.
Cheap shot...
Was that supposed to be an insult? Because I think twats are a beautiful(except for yours) thing, a work of nature that provides pleasure to men everywhere.
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Duuuuude! That is a fantastic fucking idea! I've always wanted a way to judge art, because most of the shit at the DIA does not fascinate me in the least, but fuck... it made it to the DIA, not this picture of cat girls groping each other which I love dearly, so it must be better right?(Yeah I know), but the "How many seconds does it take for me to get sick of it", is a fan-fucking-tastic approach to it. I'm gonna go to the goddamn DIA this weekend and start writing down titles and authors and see how many seconds with a stopwatch each work takes for me to get sick of. And i'll use a wheel chair, because having to walk would really cut down on the viewing time.
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You people just think it is about the picture NO that is not it. Now though is DivaD picture offensive may to someone that does yet come here and becomes a member might find it offensive. What the language here or there being used then here or there in the end. That might yet become a Issue too. Who knows Who cares. This might have to be Addressed too. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH ANYBODY AT ALL I WAS USING THIS FOR A PURPOSE ONLY. As I see it only. For everybody here that has said what they wanted have said it have they not. It was meant for Discussion Only.
Since you had posted this as a call out to McJ for deleting your pic and since the majority of your posts were bitching about the site rule of no naked pics I hadn't realised that you were truely wanting to discuss the bigger issue. Perhaps I have misunderstood the whole concept of the call out board- I had understood it that you called someone out if you had a problem with something they had said or done. I didn't realise that it was used for discussion when you had no issue with anyone's opinions or behaviour.
The pic you posted would be classed as art in my opinon, but allowing art also brings up the issue of when something can be classed as 'fine art' [since the TOS specify that fine art is not classed as porn]. But forgetting the TOS for the purpose of this discussion I think it is sad that we live in a society where the naked body is considered 'dirty' somehow and also where there is a lot of snobbery about what is considered real art.
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why do gay men always seem so fit?
even in america, the obese capitol of the world, the gay men have real slender figures and always seem to be in good shape.? as compared to the rest of the population of men.
You really should avoid such stereotypes! My cousin's boyfriend's best friend's half-brother is gay, and he is a lazy, fat shit!
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More OT:? What about my twat-drawing avatar?
D minus
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unfortunately, jman's face is the closest we're allowed to get to displaying pictures of twats.
Cheap shot...
Was that supposed to be an insult? Because I think twats are a beautiful(except for yours) thing,? a work of nature that provides pleasure to men everywhere.
lighten up, for fuck's sake. ::)
please don't try all that female-anatomy-is-sacred bollocks on me, again.
oh, sorry, was my use of the word "bollocks" in that sentence offensive to the sacred male anatomy? cock / twat / cunt / dick - genitalia is funny. end of story.
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This is My reason for doing what I did in the end. I posted there:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=162.15
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Lemon curry??
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i personally think that it is part orn!
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i would say anything you look at and masterbate to or think dirty thoughts to........ is porn for you
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She's hot.
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Bored again?? This was a pretty old thread.
Lemon Curry??
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It's PORN because she's skinnier and prettier than me. Case closed. :bigcry:
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It's PORN because she's skinnier and prettier than me. Case closed. :bigcry:
:plus: That's really the only way to tell! :rofl:
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It's PORN because she's skinnier and prettier than me. Case closed. :bigcry:
Wrong. It's porn if her face and/or body is an ode to plastic surgery.
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That whole plastic surgery mystique eludes me. I've fought long and hard for every one of my wrinkles and I'm not giving them up without a fight.
LONG MAY MY BOOBS HANG LOW!!!
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
I used to long for breast implants. Fortunately I was young and broke! :laugh:
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
I used to long for breast implants. Fortunately I was young and broke! :laugh:
Small breasts are beautiful, I want to get mine smaller 8)
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
I used to long for breast implants. Fortunately I was young and broke! :laugh:
Small breasts are beautiful, I want to get mine smaller 8)
Nothing wrong with the natural ones you posted awhile back.
Mine gave me such angst in my early teens, as I could see they were done growing and would never be the magnificent mantraps I wanted. :emosad:
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
I used to long for breast implants. Fortunately I was young and broke! :laugh:
Small breasts are beautiful, I want to get mine smaller 8)
Nothing wrong with the natural ones you posted awhile back.
Mine gave me such angst in my early teens, as I could see they were done growing and would never be the magnificent mantraps I wanted. :emosad:
Were they really done growing in your early teens, or are they the magnificent mantraps you wanted now?
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
I used to long for breast implants. Fortunately I was young and broke! :laugh:
Small breasts are beautiful, I want to get mine smaller 8)
Nothing wrong with the natural ones you posted awhile back.
Mine gave me such angst in my early teens, as I could see they were done growing and would never be the magnificent mantraps I wanted. :emosad:
Mine gave me angst of a different sort in my early teens :P Lack of pretty and cheap bras, few stretchmarks, inability to run plus attention from just old men (although I have to admit, I liked the last one sometimes) does not make a happy teenager.
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
I used to long for breast implants. Fortunately I was young and broke! :laugh:
Small breasts are beautiful, I want to get mine smaller 8)
Nothing wrong with the natural ones you posted awhile back.
Mine gave me such angst in my early teens, as I could see they were done growing and would never be the magnificent mantraps I wanted. :emosad:
Were they really done growing in your early teens, or are they the magnificent mantraps you wanted now?
They really were done (I think), but since I gained so much weight in my high school years, I'm not sure how much of the enlargement will remain after I lose weight. Either way, they will only ever be modest in size. :-\
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
I used to long for breast implants. Fortunately I was young and broke! :laugh:
Small breasts are beautiful, I want to get mine smaller 8)
Nothing wrong with the natural ones you posted awhile back.
Mine gave me such angst in my early teens, as I could see they were done growing and would never be the magnificent mantraps I wanted. :emosad:
Mine gave me angst of a different sort in my early teens :P Lack of pretty and cheap bras, few stretchmarks, inability to run plus attention from just old men (although I have to admit, I liked the last one sometimes) does not make a happy teenager.
I guess we all want to change something. I am physically comfortable with mine, even though I know they're not impressive to the menfolk! :laugh:
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
I used to long for breast implants. Fortunately I was young and broke! :laugh:
I just can't imagine having surgery for something that wasn't life threatening. On the flipside, I would hate to have an imperfection that bothered me enough and affected my self esteem so much as to yearn to change it. So in that way, I think those feelings must be so strong, that someone would go as far as surgery to change it, so I understand even though I've not had those feelings personally myself.
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
I used to long for breast implants. Fortunately I was young and broke! :laugh:
I just can't imagine having surgery for something that wasn't life threatening. On the flipside, I would hate to have an imperfection that bothered me enough and affected my self esteem so much as to yearn to change it. So in that way, I think those feelings must be so strong, that someone would go as far as surgery to change it, so I understand even though I've not had those feelings personally myself.
*sigh* I was absolutely convinced, at that age (21), that NO man would EVER want me unless I were busty. :emosad:
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I don't mind plastic surgery. It helps fix the ugly bits and imperfections. I'd do it if I had the money.
I used to long for breast implants. Fortunately I was young and broke! :laugh:
I just can't imagine having surgery for something that wasn't life threatening. On the flipside, I would hate to have an imperfection that bothered me enough and affected my self esteem so much as to yearn to change it. So in that way, I think those feelings must be so strong, that someone would go as far as surgery to change it, so I understand even though I've not had those feelings personally myself.
I had a really difficult time with that too. I think that's why I postponed getting ankle surgery as long as I did, and I was still dithering about it up until the last minute. I'm glad I did it now even though my ankle isn't perfect yet. I did not have the same angst about the appendectomy, because it was life threatening and so my choice was very clear.