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Title: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 20, 2006, 08:29:55 PM
Islam is a dangerous, fanatical, and horrible set of beliefs. Everyone who preaches it believes women should be subjagated. Muslims live in the 8th century, they are destroying the world through fear, terror, and revenge. They'd rather strap a backpack to themselves and explode than have any true morals. They're evil.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Pyraxis on September 20, 2006, 08:58:11 PM
 :laugh: Well that's just the most transparent and pathetic attempt to flame I've seen in quite a while.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 20, 2006, 09:42:28 PM
so what are your thoughts on the crusades?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 12:57:26 AM
Hi Crusader, and welcome to the group. Do you have any obsessive interests?

Me? A bully? I think not. :angel:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 12:58:31 AM
must be election time or something...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 12:59:45 AM
 ;D

Just preparing the meal.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 01:00:35 AM
/me passes odeon the bellows...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 01:02:26 AM
Don't upset it! They taste better if they die happy. ;D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 01:03:47 AM
you need more heat, darlin'.  this one'll only need flash grilling - not enough substance to slow roast.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 01:06:33 AM
Still, I doubt anyone will bite... :P

{groan}
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 01:08:21 AM
chew but don't swallow?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 01:10:11 AM
Wasn't that Bill Clinton? No, wait, he didn't inhale... ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 01:13:12 AM
i think you'll find that it wasn't bill doing either the chewing or the swallowing.  some woman with Teeth and Hair, as i recall...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 01:17:38 AM
Did she bite, then...?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: techstepgenr8tion on September 21, 2006, 01:22:14 AM
Lol, as a bit of an unoffical conservative myself I wanna slap the taste out of people when they talk like that sometimes. More inclined to think that's a joke but still, thanks for the over-the-cliff generalities.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 01:25:49 AM
Did she bite, then...?

only the media bait, as far as i'm aware.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 01:27:14 AM
It doesn't look like Crusader is getting the response s/he expected. Anyone for a flame fest yet? ;) ;D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 01:28:50 AM
Did she bite, then...?

only the media bait, as far as i'm aware.

:laugh:

The thing is that you really should chew before you swallow. Mum considered this to be of particular importance.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 01:33:53 AM
/refrains from obvious comments along the lines of, "your mum..."

our karma was the same for a few days, which was nice.  and now everyone loves you more than they love me.  it's cos you're running for admin, i expect - the allure of power, eh?  sigh...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 01:38:38 AM
/me is thankful for Lucifer's self-restraint in responding along the most obvious lines.... :P

I thought my karma's been the same for a couple of days?  ???
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 01:42:24 AM
shows you how much you notice.  i'll just have to smite you...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 01:52:05 AM
Have I been bad? ;D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Peter on September 21, 2006, 02:17:56 AM
It doesn't look like Crusader is getting the response s/he expected. Anyone for a flame fest yet? ;) ;D

Crusader's post was too moronic to bother with.  He/she has posted here before, under other names, but they've never succeeded in excreting a semi-intelligent utterance.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 02:42:59 AM
I suspected as much. :)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 21, 2006, 02:52:31 AM
Considering only guests get protection in this forum and we have an election coming up, I've marked Crusader for what he is according to policy.  ;D

Arsewipe.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 02:53:24 AM
Have I been bad? ;D

you have to ask?  mind you, i can only comment on my own experience (i.e., how you are with me) of course, being a Fair Witness - just call me Anne...

(karma for knowing the reference, and if FWs weren't aspies, then i'm a banananananana).
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 02:54:46 AM
Considering only guests get protection in this forum and we have an election coming up, I've marked Crusader for what he is according to policy.  ;D

Arsewipe.

should i be on Numpty Alert?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Tom/Mutate on September 21, 2006, 03:31:10 AM
Whats the big deal?   Does noone agree with his original post?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 21, 2006, 03:43:12 AM
What big deal?  ???
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 03:57:34 AM
Have I been bad? ;D

you have to ask?  mind you, i can only comment on my own experience (i.e., how you are with me) of course, being a Fair Witness - just call me Anne...

(karma for knowing the reference, and if FWs weren't aspies, then i'm a banananananana).

Heinlein? What was that book, "Stranger in a Strange Land"?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 03:58:11 AM
Whats the big deal?   Does noone agree with his original post?

Doesn't look that way, does it?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Beowulf on September 21, 2006, 04:54:00 AM
It doesn't look like Crusader is getting the response s/he expected. Anyone for a flame fest yet? ;) ;D

Crusader's post was too moronic to bother with.  He/she has posted here before, under other names, but they've never succeeded in excreting a semi-intelligent utterance.

What names?

In case anyone is wondering, I am not Crusader, although I would agree that Islam is a danger to the West. Not because of "weapons of mass destruction", but because of Muslim immigration into the West, high Muslim birthrates and the West's own liberalism. The delusions some people have about Islam never cease to amaze me.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 21, 2006, 04:55:45 AM
Nah, not you. Different racist - you have the guts to attach your own screenname to your opinions.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 04:59:18 AM
What names?

In case anyone is wondering, I am not Crusader, although I would agree that Islam is a danger to the West. Not because of "weapons of mass destruction", but because of Muslim immigration into the West, high Muslim birthrates and the West's own liberalism. The delusions some people have about Islam never cease to amaze me.

I didn't think you were even though the bigotry and the hatred are identical.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Beowulf on September 21, 2006, 05:06:33 AM
What if I am right about Islam? Then what I am saying is not a matter of "bigotry" or "hatred" at all, but a matter of self-preservation.

Making inferences about a person's mental state or "hateful" intentions before (or often just instead of) addressing their arguments is a totalitarian technique.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 05:14:07 AM
from what i have seen is that there are two types of islamic believers.
the peaceful type and the fanatical types.
those who are peaceful seem to be good damn people.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 21, 2006, 05:23:08 AM
those who are peaceful seem to be good damn people.

quoted for truth. when I get in a jam its frequently muslims who help me out, going beyond what would be reasonable to expect. The concept of viewing others as your brothers and giving aid and support to those who need it is not lost on all in our community, fortunately.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Peter on September 21, 2006, 05:57:06 AM
What if I am right about Islam? Then what I am saying is not a matter of "bigotry" or "hatred" at all, but a matter of self-preservation.

Making inferences about a person's mental state or "hateful" intentions before (or often just instead of) addressing their arguments is a totalitarian technique.

My objections to crusaider's post aren't to do with any belief I have that Islam is a religion of hugs and puppies; the objection is to the hopelessly simplistic and over-generalising nature of the post, which inclines me not to bother with a well thought-out response.  If the post had expressed a similar opinion about the same issues, but with evidence of being the product of some quality thought on the part of the author, I'd have taken more notice.

As it happens, I think the Islamic religion, both in it's fundamental nature as laid out in the Qur'an and Hadith, and in it's interpretation by it's adherents in light of their co-existing cultural ideosyncracies, can often create a rather explosive mixture (pun intended), as a culture of honour and violence meets a call to jihad, with the west fanning the flames all the way with their constant meddling in Middle-Eastern affairs.

However, I also understand that Islam is a religion that encompases many cultures, and the unique mixture in each case results in different outcomes, such that to treat muslims as a cohesive whole is meaningless for the purpose of understanding them.  Some people who preach it do indeed believe that women should be subjugated, but others do not.  Some have no respect for human life, but others do.  Calling every single muslim 'evil' is a cheap cop-out from proper thought.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 12:42:37 PM
What if I am right about Islam? Then what I am saying is not a matter of "bigotry" or "hatred" at all, but a matter of self-preservation.

Making inferences about a person's mental state or "hateful" intentions before (or often just instead of) addressing their arguments is a totalitarian technique.

But making gross generalisations is not? You're not right about Islam, and if you had followed some of the links I provided you with some weeks ago and actually read up on the subject, from the source, you would know this. As things stand, you are ignorant AND bigoted.

Oh, and speaking of generalisations, what is that you have against "liberalism"?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 21, 2006, 01:07:10 PM
Liberalism is the mother of all evils. Through this we have allowed Muslims infidels to permeate our culture and lands. Now they have their minions within out midst, they will not stop until the society and value we cherish have been obliterated. It is an ulterior plot by the liberalist political classes in collusion with their Muslims friends, as they hate our country and our way of life. They seek to end capitalism and the consumer society because they accuse that system of irreversibly harming humankind. It is through their own disatisfaction with their achievements that they choose to wage a war on Western ways.

There is no negotiation with this foe, the only solution is a new 14th crusade by Christian warriors that we shall reclaim the Holy Land and redeem the inhabitants from forever sinning.

I hereby call on people here to join in this fight.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 01:09:41 PM
Have I been bad? ;D

you have to ask?  mind you, i can only comment on my own experience (i.e., how you are with me) of course, being a Fair Witness - just call me Anne...

(karma for knowing the reference, and if FWs weren't aspies, then i'm a banananananana).

Heinlein? What was that book, "Stranger in a Strange Land"?

 :-*  marvellous.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 01:11:50 PM
Liberalism is the mother of all evils. Through this we have allowed Muslims infidels to permeate our culture and lands. Now they have their minions within out midst, they will not stop until the society and value we cherish have been obliterated. It is an ulterior plot by the liberalist political classes in collusion with their Muslims friends, as they hate our country and our way of life. They seek to end capitalism and the consumer society because they accuse that system of irreversibly harming humankind. It is through their own disatisfaction with their achievements that they choose to wage a war on Western ways.

There is no negotiation with this foe, the only solution is a new 14th crusade by Christian warriors that we shall reclaim the Holy Land and redeem the inhabitants from forever sinning.

I hereby call on people here to join in this fight.

amazing - it can read pamphlets.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 01:29:38 PM
Liberalism is the mother of all evils. Through this we have allowed Muslims infidels to permeate our culture and lands. Now they have their minions within out midst, they will not stop until the society and value we cherish have been obliterated. It is an ulterior plot by the liberalist political classes in collusion with their Muslims friends, as they hate our country and our way of life. They seek to end capitalism and the consumer society because they accuse that system of irreversibly harming humankind. It is through their own disatisfaction with their achievements that they choose to wage a war on Western ways.

There is no negotiation with this foe, the only solution is a new 14th crusade by Christian warriors that we shall reclaim the Holy Land and redeem the inhabitants from forever sinning.

I hereby call on people here to join in this fight.

Here's a link for you: http://www.islamonline.net/English/index.shtml. Start with Ask the Scholar link. Good luck!

Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 21, 2006, 02:02:54 PM
It doesn't look like Crusader is getting the response s/he expected. Anyone for a flame fest yet? ;) ;D

Crusader's post was too moronic to bother with.  He/she has posted here before, under other names, but they've never succeeded in excreting a semi-intelligent utterance.

What names?

In case anyone is wondering, I am not Crusader, although I would agree that Islam is a danger to the West. Not because of "weapons of mass destruction", but because of Muslim immigration into the West, high Muslim birthrates and the West's own liberalism. The delusions some people have about Islam never cease to amaze me.

Indeed if millions of mere mortals can be brainwashed by this extreme religion and nobody sees it, then what will save humanity? You are so right in your statements of 'bigotry'.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 02:18:21 PM
Whose sockpuppet are you, Crusader?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 02:20:19 PM
Whose sockpuppet are you, Crusader?

(http://www.smileyparadies.de/smilies/crazy/ugly37.gif)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 02:23:19 PM
Whose sockpuppet are you, Crusader?

(http://www.smileyparadies.de/smilies/crazy/ugly37.gif)

oh its neuroman!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 02:29:10 PM
Neuroman? Really? It's a shame if that's true. :(
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 02:29:54 PM
it was just a guess.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 02:30:21 PM
i don't think it is, somehow - i think mcj was attempting to be funny.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 02:31:45 PM
Well, be as it may but I've got to question Crusader's diagnosis. He can't be a true Aspie.

Yes, folks, this thread is over. :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 02:32:19 PM
about four pages too late, imho.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 02:37:24 PM
i agree with mcj.

the end.

bye!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 02:38:19 PM
you mean, sala khballa malechem, or similar! ;D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 02:39:00 PM
salaam allekum.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 02:39:33 PM
salaam allekum.

quoted for truth.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 02:40:20 PM
ah.  well the usual response is "allekum salaam", but that'll do, i s'pose.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 21, 2006, 02:47:34 PM
Our Father, who art in heaven,

Hallowed be thy Name.

Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done,

On earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our trespasses,

As we forgive those who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation,

But deliver us from Islam.

For thine is the kingdom,

and the power,

and the glory,

for ever and ever.

Amen.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 21, 2006, 02:49:15 PM
Yay, big type! That gets you troll points.  ;D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 02:50:30 PM
Hey, Dunc, I just questioned his dx. This thread is now officially over.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 21, 2006, 02:53:44 PM
We need an admin to lock it then, since the Second Law has been invoked.  :police:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: techstepgenr8tion on September 21, 2006, 02:57:19 PM
ah.  well the usual response is "allekum salaam", but that'll do, i s'pose.

Don't know, I kinda like "Simsalbimbamba Saladu Saladim!".
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Draggon on September 21, 2006, 03:20:45 PM
Islam is a dangerous, fanatical, and horrible set of beliefs. Everyone who preaches it believes women should be subjagated. Muslims live in the 8th century, they are destroying the world through fear, terror, and revenge. They'd rather strap a backpack to themselves and explode than have any true morals. They're evil.
Damnit you are the evil one!!
Muslims have every right to their religious beliefs!  If we don't allow them to strap backpacks on and kill us then we would be suppressing their religion!!  And suppression of religion is just wrong!!!  SO FUKC YU01!!!!!!!!1
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 03:28:44 PM
calm down, draggon.  take some blood of christ, or something.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Draggon on September 21, 2006, 03:59:18 PM
oh did I forget to add a  :P at the end of that?


((I thought that suggesting that stopping muslims from killing us would be tantamount to suppressing their religion would make it an obvious joke...))
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 21, 2006, 04:15:25 PM
One of you did an AS thing! I can't work out which one though.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Draggon on September 21, 2006, 04:31:48 PM
One of you did an AS thing! I can't work out which one though.  :laugh:
LMAO :laugh: +1
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 21, 2006, 04:41:39 PM
Crusader-if you really believe what you are saying why do you feel the need to post it all with a sock puppet account??
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Nomaken on September 21, 2006, 04:53:21 PM
/me would like some blood of christ.

They should make a strawberry child's soft drink called the blood of christ.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 21, 2006, 04:58:42 PM
I believe devoutly in what I preach.

That our government allows hordes of primitive Muslims to protest like marauding cavemen outside one of our most important cathedrals within yards of our seat of government.

If Christian fellows did the same in their sacred Mecca, we would not be suprised if swarms of bearded men came charging with heavy explosive backpacks.

How I sincerely believe bands of knights should have ran and fought with all the might the Lord could give them, against those crowds espousing such unholy words against our fellow Christian brotherin. This would be the start of a new crusade.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 21, 2006, 05:03:22 PM
So the question then is, why the need for a sock puppet account?  Why not post with your regular screen name?  Or are you ashamed of your views?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Callaway on September 21, 2006, 05:08:14 PM
How many Muslim people have you actually gotten to know, Crusader?

I think it seems easier to hate a large group of people when you don't actually know any of them.  I know some Muslim people are dangerous fanatical terrorists, but those are just a minority.  Most of the Muslims I have known are very kind and decent people.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Nomaken on September 21, 2006, 05:51:30 PM
I wouldnt say islam is inherently dangerous, christianity can be and has been before just as dangerous.  It is just that alot of the cultures which you're thinking of are backwards and screwed up and not interested in changing.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 05:57:14 PM
whats funny is that he could have posted this garbage in rookie refuge and gotten away with it.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 21, 2006, 06:01:06 PM
whats funny is that he could have posted this garbage in rookie refuge and gotten away with it.

But I don't think getting away with it was the reason for using a sock puppet- it seems to me that people who do that are either trying to provoke a response with shit they don't really mean, or more often are too cowardly to put their usual screen name to their posts.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 06:05:03 PM
will someone please tell us who this is.

i mean, people need to be held accountable for their words.  now everytime i see a jehovahs witness i am going to think, that damned crusader.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 21, 2006, 06:07:42 PM
will someone please tell us who this is.

i mean, people need to be held accountable for their words.  now everytime i see a jehovahs witness i am going to think, that damned crusader.

Perhaps that's an interesting subject to discuss, whether or not members posting with sock puppets should be outed.

However, even if it was agreed that they should, since this is the free for all forum, naming someone  who's only posting in here with their sockpuppet would go against the guidelines for this forum.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 06:10:38 PM
damn rules:

i knew they would come back to bite me eventually.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 21, 2006, 06:12:16 PM
damn rules:

i knew they would come back to bite me eventually.

Yeah, but then again, if they're so lacking in balls that they need to use a sock puppet do you really want to know what user name they usually post under?  Is it really worth even a seconds thought about who they really are?

And anyway with an ass like yours I thought you'd be used to being bitten on it ;)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 06:14:37 PM
i used to get bitten alot, but am not in a committed relationship with a biter.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Teejay on September 21, 2006, 06:15:19 PM
Crusader should had the guts to express his or her's opinions without having to use a sock puppet. However I agree with some of the stuff Crusader is saying, we are pussyfooting the menance of fundamentalist islam, it is totally unlike christian fundamentalism which is fairly harmless. Christian fundamentalists want to peacefully impose their agenda via the democratic process, Islamic fundamentalists generally want to wage war on everybody who does not subscribe to their beliefs, very much like the Communists and Nazis.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 06:20:18 PM
but he did not specify fundamentalists, he generalized.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 21, 2006, 06:26:44 PM
but he did not specify fundamentalists, he generalized.

That last comment had a 'so nah  :P' tacked on the end of it in my head  :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 21, 2006, 10:08:52 PM
the only solution is a new 14th crusade by Christian warriors that we shall reclaim the Holy Land and redeem the inhabitants from forever sinning.

fuckin hypocrite...you hate the muslim fundamentalists and yet you want the christians to kill people (again  ::)) too
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 21, 2006, 10:17:30 PM
Crusader should had the guts to express his or her's opinions without having to use a sock puppet. However I agree with some of the stuff Crusader is saying, we are pussyfooting the menance of fundamentalist islam, it is totally unlike christian fundamentalism which is fairly harmless. Christian fundamentalists want to peacefully impose their agenda via the democratic process, Islamic fundamentalists generally want to wage war on everybody who does not subscribe to their beliefs, very much like the Communists and Nazis.

I'm going to have to disagree about Christian fundamentalists being peaceful. Supporting war and hating gays isn't peaceful, among other things.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 21, 2006, 10:28:48 PM
Quote
Islam is a dangerous, fanatical, and horrible set of beliefs. Everyone who preaches it believes women should be subjagated. Muslims live in the 8th century, they are destroying the world through fear, terror, and revenge. They'd rather strap a backpack to themselves and explode than have any true morals. They're evil.

You obviously have the intellect of a dead maggot and havent read the Quaran properly. :angel:
But given your a Christian you obviously havent researched the doings of those of your own faith through the centuries or read the Bible properly either. ;D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: techstepgenr8tion on September 21, 2006, 10:43:47 PM
I'm going to have to disagree about Christian fundamentalists being peaceful. Supporting war and hating gays isn't peaceful, among other things.

Yeah, but to be fair that goes ashy-pale in comparison. There's hurting peoples feelings and then there's that BTK stuff thing they've even been doing to their own in Iraq these days (aside from blowing up 'heathens') - hard thing to really put that on equal ground. Yeah, I definitely don't believe in the generalities a certain someone was spouting off but still, I really don't think christianity has nearly as many fangs left as people in the media or in activist groups really try to espouse at times.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 21, 2006, 10:50:24 PM
I was just pointing out that Christians fundamentalists aren't exactly peaceful, even if what they do isn't nearly as bad as some of the Muslim fundamentalists. However, Crusader here wants to be just as bad and go and kill the Muslims, and he's a Christian. Then again he's a lunatic too. :P
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: techstepgenr8tion on September 21, 2006, 10:51:11 PM
I was just pointing out that Christians fundamentalists aren't exactly peaceful, even if what they do isn't nearly as bad as some of the Muslim fundamentalists. However, Crusader here wants to be just as bad and go and kill the Muslims, and he's a Christian. Then again he's a lunatic too. :P

Yeah, I'm thinking the lunatic is the bigger of the two factors  ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2006, 01:09:18 AM
why are people debating his points?  there is no debate, people, not with a zealot like that.  don't feed the troll, as the internet parlance goes.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 22, 2006, 01:12:41 AM
but there's nothing else going on  :-\
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 22, 2006, 01:29:12 AM
 :laugh: +1, QC.

I wrote a lengthy reply, defending the Qur'an. Thankfully, Firefox crashed. Instead of recreating what I wrote, let me just say that Lucifer's right. Don't feed the troll.

I already questioned the troll's dx, which means that this thread should be over, OK? :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 22, 2006, 01:31:21 AM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2006, 01:40:42 AM
okay, QC, just so you won't be bored:

Yeah, but to be fair that goes ashy-pale in comparison. There's hurting peoples feelings and then there's that BTK stuff thing they've even been doing to their own in Iraq these days (aside from blowing up 'heathens') - hard thing to really put that on equal ground. Yeah, I definitely don't believe in the generalities a certain someone was spouting off but still, I really don't think christianity has nearly as many fangs left as people in the media or in activist groups really try to espouse at times.

not so, techstep.  okay, so christian fundies might not strap explosives to their backs and charge into pagan circles screaming "all things bright and beautiful", but you really think that the way the Exclusive Brethren treat women and kids is okay?  or the way that the Catholic church outlaws condoms so that people can't protect themselves against HIV infection, and women exhaust themselves by having to be baby factories?  or the "you're born with original sin, and therefore you're already shit before you start" mentality - great for self esteem, i don't think.  just because the hatred is more insidious doesn't   make the results any the less appalling - you should see some of the psychological wrecks i've worked with, kids and adults.  some of the so-called christian ideas should be investigated by Amnesty, to be honest, and not just the fundamentalists, either. 

however, i will say one thing to other people who've replied, here and on the other thread:  i won't defend any religion/culture/whatever in any sort of blanket way (unless someone is attacking it in a blanket way, of course), because it's completely idiotic to homogenise such huge swathes of people.  fundamentalists of whatever flavour are dangerous, christian, muslim, jewish, hindu, pagan or any other, cos they will not allow anyone else to have an opinion which differs from theirs, and go to extreme measures to ensure this doesn't happen.  there are the examples i cite above, and then there's the caste system in hinduism; the inferior position of women in many religions and spiritual paths (i hesitate to say "the majority", although i suspect that may be the case); the anti-christian sentiment of pagan fundies; the exploitation of certain pagan "customs" to allow for irresponsible and abusive behaviour; blah, blah, blah.

my point is that it's just daft to bang on about who's worse than who.  as i've said somewhere else, the fashionable people to bash at the moment are muslims.  it's been christians, jews, muslims, gay people, lepers, witches, etc., etc., before, so it's just the merry-go-round turning.  some people need a scapegoat, and they ain't going to listen to reason, so why bother wasting energy trying to convince them?  one may as well just have fun at their expense - at least they're serving a useful purpose, then.  (nearly a joke, but not completely).  let him/her babble on to themselves, until they develop an internal locus of control and start wanting to think for themselves.  then i'll support them in any way i can - it's a bit like "de-brainwashing", or whatever it's called, and i'm quite good at that.

so, i don't know for absolute sure if I have AS, so that's this thread buggered for the second (or is it third?) time.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2006, 01:41:30 AM
:laugh: +1, QC.

I wrote a lengthy reply, defending the Qur'an. Thankfully, Firefox crashed. Instead of recreating what I wrote, let me just say that Lucifer's right. Don't feed the troll.

I already questioned the troll's dx, which means that this thread should be over, OK? :laugh:

whoops...   :-[

i'll be fucked if i'm letting that nice long post go to waste, though, especially as i had to field two phone calls whilst writing it.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 22, 2006, 06:13:09 AM
Crusader should had the guts to express his or her's opinions without having to use a sock puppet. However I agree with some of the stuff Crusader is saying, we are pussyfooting the menance of fundamentalist islam, it is totally unlike christian fundamentalism which is fairly harmless. Christian fundamentalists want to peacefully impose their agenda via the democratic process, Islamic fundamentalists generally want to wage war on everybody who does not subscribe to their beliefs, very much like the Communists and Nazis.

Very much so mortal friend. Us Christians have always used peaceful means to project our message. We never kills ourselves to further our own faith. That is against the word of God. Islam in it's very nature is violent. Muslims should NOT be free to preach their violent message openly in our society.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 22, 2006, 06:16:03 AM
i oppose any opposition to free speech.


youhave completely lost with me, unless you recant your last statement.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: techstepgenr8tion on September 22, 2006, 06:24:07 AM
Lucifer, living in the US it kinda seems like what people have to worry about is less the 'exclusive brethren' and probably more just the cracked out or alcoholic hillbillies who somehow take that as right to beat their kids or wives over any indescretion and yeah - that's a major twist on the words of the bible, its just people being stupid. On the sexuality thing though yeah, I believe that's flawed thinking. As far as the condoms though, when I used to go to church, up until I was 17 and my parents were still making me show up, I noticed most of the girls my age there were coming in hungover and lots of em were getting pregnant - not pregnant from not using condoms, they could care less about what the church had to say, pregnant because they didn't wanna use em or because they forgot to take the pill. Yeah, I guess the whole 'no condoms' notion probably did lend em an excuse when they didn't feel like going to the store but I guess what I'm really getting at is for the most part its a really hollow secular dance these days - kind of a place where yuppies just get together, be yuppies, sing Jesus songs over guitar, even when people hardly show in their actions anymore that they even know why they're in church they still look to the actual event every Sunday as a staple in their lives before having a cook-out or taking the kids to a little-league game.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Teejay on September 22, 2006, 07:55:36 AM

I'm going to have to disagree about Christian fundamentalists being peaceful. Supporting war and hating gays isn't peaceful, among other things.

They are where I live, I do not count protesting at gay pride parades as particularly violent. On the other hand our local Islamic fundamentalists can be a violent lot.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: techstepgenr8tion on September 22, 2006, 12:54:23 PM
Thinking of this did you hear how at his last great UN speeh Ahmadinejad actually kind of set an offer to Iraq like "Hey, lets be friends"? I'm really hoping that Grand Ayatollah Sistani, however he chooses to say it, tells him to piss off.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 22, 2006, 02:13:10 PM

I'm going to have to disagree about Christian fundamentalists being peaceful. Supporting war and hating gays isn't peaceful, among other things.

They are where I live, I do not count protesting at gay pride parades as particularly violent. On the other hand our local Islamic fundamentalists can be a violent lot.

in america they use snipers to kill abortion doctors and also blow up abortion clinics, to name just a couple of the violent acts committed by christian fundamentalists in modern times.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Draggon on September 22, 2006, 03:24:49 PM
It seems to me that people who do that are either trying to provoke a response with shit they don't really mean,
You act as if that was a bad thing :P
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Nomaken on September 23, 2006, 03:28:15 AM
I really wish I had it in me to write a spiteful, ignorant post that incited rage and indignation.  And I could give it a real shot, if people wanted me to.  And I wouldnt even use a sock puppet account, i'd just make mention that i specifically crafted it to piss people off.  But does anybody want me to?

Another thing:  Why don't we wanna feel the trolls?  Isnt it a blessed thing, a beautiful thing when somebody sacrifices their credibility and their tolerance from the majority of people to give to us righteous indignation?  Doesn't it feel good to know you are right, that everyone around you agrees wholeheartedly that this... common enemy is so so wrong? ^_~
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 04:08:54 AM
It seems to me that people who do that are either trying to provoke a response with shit they don't really mean,
You act as if that was a bad thing :P

Nah, but if you're going to do it at least have the balls to use your usual user name.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 23, 2006, 09:11:20 AM
I have never used any 'Asperger' forum before. All I know is that Islam should be strictly controlled just as drugs or tobacco should be. We can't allow this disease to spread anymore and damage our society.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 23, 2006, 09:23:16 AM
I have never used any 'Asperger' forum before.

But you've been used by one?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 11:59:51 AM
I have never used any 'Asperger' forum before. All I know is that Islam should be strictly controlled just as drugs or tobacco should be. We can't allow this disease to spread anymore and damage our society.

but i like drugs, they get me high!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 12:00:35 PM
I have never used any 'Asperger' forum before. All I know is that Islam should be strictly controlled just as drugs or tobacco should be. We can't allow this disease to spread anymore and damage our society.

Apart from the fact you've used this one before then?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:02:08 PM
I have never used any 'Asperger' forum before. All I know is that Islam should be strictly controlled just as drugs or tobacco should be. We can't allow this disease to spread anymore and damage our society.

Apart from the fact you've used this one before then?
we are NT bullies, no real ASD people here.

anybody got a dx it must've come from aq quack!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 12:02:57 PM
I have never used any 'Asperger' forum before. All I know is that Islam should be strictly controlled just as drugs or tobacco should be. We can't allow this disease to spread anymore and damage our society.

Apart from the fact you've used this one before then?
we are NT bullies, no real ASD people here.

anybody got a dx it must've come from aq quack!

What's an aq quack?  ???
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 23, 2006, 12:05:14 PM
The kind of quack that will misdiagnose AS.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:08:56 PM
i forgot the:  ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:11:19 PM
i think it's fucking well OUTRAGEOUS!!!

i mean, there's been at least three instances of people questioning diagnoses, and the thread is STILL going on.

i'm going to write to my local paper...


"Sir,

I was appalled to see the continutation of a thread, when there had been three clear queries as to the veracity of various members' diagnoses.

Why oh why oh why do people insist on flouting their own non-rules?  Never happened in My Day, I can tell you, when there was National Service and flogging.

Still, mustn't grumble: chin up, blitz spirit, that sort of thing.

Yrs.
Alfred Stanley Hodgely-Swipes, Sgt. Major (Rtd.)."
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:14:18 PM
lol

+1, lucifer, and fuck everyone else.

i said random +1 werer unacceptable.  good posts merit positivity.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 12:16:18 PM
lol

+1, lucifer, and fuck everyone else.

i said random +1 werer unacceptable.  good posts merit positivity.

Was anyone arguing with you about that? ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:17:16 PM
yes i pissed several people off and my kharma went way down.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 12:18:13 PM
yes i pissed several people off and my kharma went way down.

Move with the times- that was ages ago- you need to remember that a week on a message board is like a month in real life, a lot can happen. :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:19:13 PM
yes.


have you read Jizz's ask away thread.  i semi explain my new avi.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 23, 2006, 12:39:39 PM
lol

+1, lucifer, and fuck everyone else.

i said random +1 werer unacceptable.  good posts merit positivity.

Was anyone arguing with you about that? ::)

I can do it if nobody else will:

McJagger, stop sucking up to Lucifer. People will think that you're soft.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:40:20 PM
lol

+1, lucifer, and fuck everyone else.

i said random +1 werer unacceptable.  good posts merit positivity.

Was anyone arguing with you about that? ::)

I can do it if nobody else will:

McJagger, stop sucking up to Lucifer. People will think that you're soft.

have you been visited by the green monster?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:45:38 PM
lol

+1, lucifer, and fuck everyone else.

i said random +1 werer unacceptable.  good posts merit positivity.

Was anyone arguing with you about that? ::)

I can do it if nobody else will:

McJagger, stop sucking up to Lucifer. People will think that you're soft.

have you been visited by the green monster?

he'd bloody better have been.

/sits back and watches with glee and a slight frisson of... well, erm, frissonage.   :-\
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 23, 2006, 12:45:51 PM
Green monster? ???
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 23, 2006, 01:24:02 PM
Green monster=jealousy.

Oh, and I think Crusader should be the next victim of the Aspie Elite.  >:D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Nomaken on September 23, 2006, 01:26:04 PM
I have never used any 'Asperger' forum before. All I know is that Islam should be strictly controlled just as drugs or tobacco should be. We can't allow this disease to spread anymore and damage our society.

I disagree on all counts.  I want my society to be diseased, keeps it interesting.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 01:26:47 PM
Green monster=jealousy.

Oh, and I think Crusader should be the next victim of the Aspie Elite.  >:D

Are you feeling evil today QC??  :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 01:31:10 PM
Oh, and I think Crusader should be the next victim of the Aspie Elite.  >:D

so do i!

c'mon, chaps - Bullies Of The Internet Unite!

oh.  dear.

bullies of the internet = BOTI.  i am about to start cracking up, any minu...

(http://www.smileyparadies.de/smilies/devil/teu94-001.gif)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 23, 2006, 01:31:54 PM
Green monster=jealousy.

Oh, and I think Crusader should be the next victim of the Aspie Elite.  >:D

Are you feeling evil today QC??  :laugh:

Yes I am.  :laugh:

Oh, and I think Crusader should be the next victim of the Aspie Elite.  >:D

so do i!

c'mon, chaps - Bullies Of The Internet Unite!

oh.  dear.

bullies of the internet = BOTI.  i am about to start cracking up, any minu...

(http://www.smileyparadies.de/smilies/devil/teu94-001.gif)

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 23, 2006, 01:32:54 PM
I see someone else gave Lucifer karma at the same time I did.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 01:33:21 PM
I see someone else gave Lucifer karma at the same time I did.  :laugh:

It was me- you're both on good form tonight  :)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 23, 2006, 01:34:05 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 01:38:15 PM
yaroo!

 :-*
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 02:10:08 PM
who is geeked up for chat?

i cant hear you...
who is totally psyched?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 02:11:49 PM
not i - i'm working tomorrow, so need an early night.

ta for the karma though - you remembered!   ;D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 02:14:31 PM
not i - i'm working tomorrow, so need an early night.

ta for the karma though - you remembered!   ;D

it was the first thing i did when i got home.

i hava about a half hour and then i must ref, then coach.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 23, 2006, 02:43:41 PM
Green monster=jealousy.

Oh.

Quote
Oh, and I think Crusader should be the next victim of the Aspie Elite.  >:D

No can do. I questioned its dx. This thread is soooo over. :laugh: Besides, the word "victim" is painted all over it anyway. You can't help but kick it when you see it.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 23, 2006, 09:15:41 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2006, 12:07:18 PM
is that "drop kick"?  cos i like them.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 24, 2006, 12:35:43 PM
I have never used any 'Asperger' forum before. All I know is that Islam should be strictly controlled just as drugs or tobacco should be. We can't allow this disease to spread anymore and damage our society.

but i like drugs, they get me high!

You horrible individual. Drugs will rot you away, they are the word of the devil.

SIEG HEIL!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 12:38:38 PM
but they help me cope in this bullying environment called life.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 24, 2006, 01:03:39 PM
So what sinful substances have you bombed/snorted/injected/smoked? Preach your wrongs and repentance my ensue.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 01:06:39 PM
alcohol, pot, meth, mushrooms and once by accident PCP.

i have no regrets as i am nearly clean and sober, today.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 24, 2006, 01:07:39 PM
Meh, I'm bored now. This guy is a one-trick pony.  ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 01:08:40 PM
try some mushrooms; it's a cure for boredom.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 24, 2006, 01:16:18 PM
How can I be a one trick pony? I am a Christian knight, I ride only the finest of stallions mere mortal.

PCP, I have heard of this dangerous substance. Known as Angel Dust, it is meant to provide a nasty trip and give you permanent damage. Used by people in a pastime known as 'raving'.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2006, 02:17:03 PM
Meh, I'm bored now. This guy is a one-trick pony.  ::)

oh?  did i miss the trick?  what was it?

i was bored on page one.  perhaps that's how i missed the trick - he was still building up to it.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 24, 2006, 02:18:50 PM
How can I be a one trick pony? I am a Christian knight, I ride only the finest of stallions mere mortal.

PCP, I have heard of this dangerous substance. Known as Angel Dust, it is meant to provide a nasty trip and give you permanent damage. Used by people in a pastime known as 'raving'.

do you say 'Ni'?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2006, 02:20:17 PM
PMSL !!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 24, 2006, 02:29:30 PM
Hey look Crusader, its the welcoming committee! I'm sure deep down, they're shitting their pants.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

(http://www.williamthrash.com/arabs-911-party-03.jpg)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 24, 2006, 03:51:08 PM
I will be happy to massacre them with pleasure, the whole lot, clear them away and save more from being brainwashed. WIPE THEM OUT!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 03:52:39 PM
even the kiddos?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 03:52:47 PM
-yawn-
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2006, 03:53:28 PM
anything it's said at all, really.

oh do shut up, child - you're dull.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 24, 2006, 03:53:54 PM
Its too late. As we speak, little Palestinian kiddies are whispering in my ear. They say you're a racist twunt. :P
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 24, 2006, 03:54:32 PM
even the kiddos?

YES YES YES, anyone who spreads the word of Muhammed.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 03:57:18 PM
(http://bacdr78.free.fr/Mohammed%20ali%202.jpg)


i can see why, he seems dangerous and brown. ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 03:57:49 PM
I'm really tempted to convert to Islam because of this twat.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 24, 2006, 03:59:45 PM
I'm really tempted to convert to Islam because of this twat.

Go ahead, another one to be slaughtered in the name of Jesus! Choose them or us, there is no inbetween.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 04:00:45 PM
Them. Moron.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 04:01:34 PM
in the blink of a cuntisecond, odeon attacks.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2006, 04:03:41 PM
gods, i love him when he's butch...

(http://www.smileyparadies.de/smilies/liebe/verliebt.gif)

dribble, dribble...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 04:26:02 PM
Well, questioning his dx didn't help so I had to try something else. Call me a bully.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2006, 04:27:39 PM
not until you've warmed up, my sweet.

/me primes odeon, points him in the right direction, and then lets him go...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 04:32:10 PM
Kinda like "butch", though... :P ;D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 04:35:23 PM
this thread is chock full of NT naziism.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2006, 04:35:48 PM
mmmmm... me too...

sigh, flutter, sigh...



edit:  erm, whoops?  that was meant to be under the post before mcj's, pmsl!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 04:39:17 PM
this thread is chock full of NT naziism.

What's that supposed to mean? ???
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 04:40:21 PM
double negative dunc's theory.  the thread lives.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 04:41:04 PM
And what's your dx? ;) :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 04:42:32 PM
i am a nazi.  :D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 04:44:14 PM
LOL :laugh:
No, you're not, but still a good one!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 04:47:41 PM
then where is my +...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2006, 04:55:05 PM
he can't do that + thing, mcj, cos otherwise someone might -1 him.  some fuckwit decided it was a good idea to mouth off about smiting people when they gave other people karma.  or something.

:P :P :P

ner, ner, ner.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 04:58:06 PM
stupid fuckwit for saying that.
but i am the exception, aren't i?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 24, 2006, 05:02:24 PM
stupid fuckwit for saying that.
but i am the exception, aren't i?

no, that's nomaken  :P
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 05:07:57 PM
stupid fuckwit for saying that.
but i am the exception, aren't i?

You should have -1 for that, actually. Nomaken is the only exception I know of.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 24, 2006, 05:10:44 PM
* Crusader runs on his horse swinging his holy ball and chain like no Viking beserker who came before, it's hits odeon and everyone else around him. They are pulverized in seconds. He cries "God Bless IntensitySquared".
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 05:11:24 PM
odeon, you were at 99 and i brought you back up to 100 on another thread. :'(
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 05:19:17 PM
I didn't smite you, McJ. I only said I should have, for that comment. :D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 24, 2006, 05:22:58 PM
* Crusader runs on his horse swinging his holy ball and chain like no Viking beserker who came before, it's hits odeon and everyone else around him. They are pulverized in seconds. He cries "God Bless IntensitySquared".

*{Goodness and evil can never be equal. Repel [evil] with good: then will he between whom and you was hatred become as it were your friend and intimate!}* (Fussilat 41:34)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 24, 2006, 07:37:34 PM
I've had enough in this world. Time to end it all, I'll bring you down with me

(http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2006/september/ogrish-dot-com-train_suicide_mexico_021158540195.jpg)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 24, 2006, 09:28:03 PM
How can I be a one trick pony? I am a Christian knight, I ride only the finest of stallions mere mortal.

PCP, I have heard of this dangerous substance. Known as Angel Dust, it is meant to provide a nasty trip and give you permanent damage. Used by people in a pastime known as 'raving'.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 24, 2006, 09:31:57 PM
I've had enough in this world. Time to end it all, I'll bring you down with me

(http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2006/september/ogrish-dot-com-train_suicide_mexico_021158540195.jpg)

 :laugh: :laugh:

this lunatic is entertaining
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 25, 2006, 12:43:55 AM
Sockpuppet account deleted, it seems. It would have been interesting to know who the coward behind the mask was...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Callaway on September 25, 2006, 12:52:48 AM
Sockpuppet account deleted, it seems. It would have been interesting to know who the coward behind the mask was...

Quote
This board is designed to allow guests to post and members to post anonymously.

Sorry, Odeon.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 25, 2006, 12:59:09 AM
No need to be sorry, Callaway. I accept that a member can hide behind a sockpuppet account but reserve the right to call such a member a coward.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 01:00:59 AM
it's gone, has it?  ohdearwhatashame.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 25, 2006, 01:03:32 AM
Looks like it. But I'm sure the coward behind the mask is still around.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 01:04:45 AM
right.  who does odeon have to sleep with to find out who it is, please?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 25, 2006, 01:05:59 AM
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 01:08:21 AM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: techstepgenr8tion on September 25, 2006, 02:06:38 AM
right.  who does odeon have to sleep with to find out who it is, please?

Lol, not me - maybe Alex?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 25, 2006, 02:12:39 AM
right.  who does odeon have to sleep with to find out who it is, please?

Lol, not me - maybe Alex?

 :'(
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 25, 2006, 02:44:19 AM
He'll have to get himself elected. Then he can do IP traces. ;)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 02:50:29 AM
right.  who does odeon have to sleep with to find out who it is, please?

Lol, not me - maybe Alex?

 :'(

can i, erm, help, O Master (of somebody, but not of me, i hasten to add).
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: techstepgenr8tion on September 25, 2006, 02:57:59 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to say "Hey, maybe Jessica Biel knows something" but I kinda doubt her involvement.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 25, 2006, 03:18:26 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to say "Hey, maybe Jessica Biel knows something" but I kinda doubt her involvement.

who? ???
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 03:20:45 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to say "Hey, maybe Jessica Biel knows something" but I kinda doubt her involvement.

huh?

 :D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 25, 2006, 03:53:24 AM
I thought I would say a final word to you before I depart this earth for eternity in heaven



(http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloadsnew/cj_52447.jpg)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 25, 2006, 03:56:12 AM
Tubgirl. Tasteful. (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/obscene/eck22.gif)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 25, 2006, 03:58:58 AM
Has anyone not seen that before anyway?? ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 25, 2006, 04:09:29 AM
You're going to hell for that, Crusader.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 25, 2006, 04:39:10 AM
i have never seen it before, and never want to see it again.

i think i will skip breakfast this morning.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 25, 2006, 04:40:22 AM
i have never seen it before, and never want to see it again.

i think i will skip breakfast this morning.

You are honestly telling me you've never seen tubgirl??  :o   I thought having that picture emailed to you was something you had to go through before you were a true net addict.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 25, 2006, 04:42:19 AM
i guess i have a classier set of friends than the rest of the internet geeks.

but maybe i will e-mail it to my friends, since i aint very classy.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 25, 2006, 04:58:04 AM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 25, 2006, 05:33:59 AM
Gotta admit that he was pretty consistent with his (bull-)shit.. ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 06:07:25 AM
did anyone else think "how the fuck did they time that?" as their second thought, on first seeing tubgirl?

there must be more than one of those going around, then, cos the one i've seen before is different.

or is it photoshopped or something?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 25, 2006, 06:09:57 AM
I'm sure it's photoshopped.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 25, 2006, 06:14:43 AM
what the hell is that stuff supposed to be?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2006, 06:16:06 AM
diarrhoea, mcj.  probably involving turmeric at some point, i'd say.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Crusader on September 25, 2006, 06:21:06 AM
As I drift up into heaven I look upon thee humble souls down below and think

(http://hai2u.com/HotBlowjob.jpg)

These are my LAST words upon this earth
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 25, 2006, 06:22:15 AM
diarrhoea, mcj.  probably involving turmeric at some point, i'd say.

i thought it looked too meaty to be urine.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 25, 2006, 06:58:55 AM
He promises but keeps coming back... ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 25, 2006, 07:53:49 AM
What a n00b  ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Leto729 on September 25, 2006, 11:14:30 AM
This thread has become the shits.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: richard on September 25, 2006, 11:23:02 AM
ahahahahahahaha. vomit porn rules!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Leto729 on September 25, 2006, 11:28:43 AM
And vomit too.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 25, 2006, 01:09:26 PM
ahahahahahahaha. vomit porn rules!
i guess he had her gag on his.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Nomaken on September 25, 2006, 02:36:28 PM
You're going to have to do better than that richard, i hang out on /b/.
/me is slightly regretful he is encouraging richard.  Not regretful enough though.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: techstepgenr8tion on September 25, 2006, 04:54:34 PM
ahahahahahahaha. vomit porn rules!

All I've gotta say is ouch - that must have burned like a mother.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Teejay on September 25, 2006, 11:54:09 PM
Hey look Crusader, its the welcoming committee! I'm sure deep down, they're shitting their pants.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

(http://www.williamthrash.com/arabs-911-party-03.jpg)

They would be if the US or Israeli air force were bombing their homes and neighbourhoods.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 26, 2006, 02:40:50 AM
This thread makes me sick.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 26, 2006, 04:08:36 AM
Hey look Crusader, its the welcoming committee! I'm sure deep down, they're shitting their pants.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

(http://www.williamthrash.com/arabs-911-party-03.jpg)

They would be if the US or Israeli air force were bombing their homes and neighbourhoods.

I suspect you might as well Teejay. I doubt a delusional gimp on a donkey would have that effect though. :P
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Nomaken on September 26, 2006, 09:37:59 AM
On /b/ they recently posted a picture of someone who "reportedly" tore off his own face and fed it to his dog.  And I know that was a thing in Hannibal, but it isn't impossible that someone did it independantly or as a consequence of it.  And it doesn't even matter if the story was true.  That man(or woman) did not have a face.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: CUNTFACE on September 26, 2006, 08:39:16 PM
I'LL FUCKING PULVERIZE YOU BASTARDS!

(http://www.harvestfields.ca/horror/sick-animations/Sick-Animations-Clipart/harvestfields.ca-033.gif)#

THE GHOST OF CRUSADING GLORY!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 26, 2006, 08:42:17 PM
would you mind if i fucked your face?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2006, 11:49:43 PM
read the legend under my avatar crusader, for fuck's sake, and then act on it.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 27, 2006, 12:53:53 AM
It's back. Its new strategy is to bore us all to death. ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on September 27, 2006, 07:15:56 AM
We need better quality trolls. This one was wishy washy.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 27, 2006, 09:16:11 AM
after i learn proper grammar, i will set up a sockpuppet and troll.  if i did it now, i would give myself away.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 27, 2006, 11:48:47 AM
after i learn proper grammar, i will set up a sockpuppet and troll.  if i did it now, i would give myself away.

Do you have what it takes to be a quality troll? :D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2006, 01:37:43 PM
define "a quality troll"...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 27, 2006, 02:10:41 PM
after i learn proper grammar, i will set up a sockpuppet and troll.  if i did it now, i would give myself away.

Do you have what it takes to be a quality troll? :D
i think so!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 27, 2006, 02:11:09 PM
define "a quality troll"...

heppah.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Leto729 on September 27, 2006, 08:14:46 PM
Yeah heppah for sure.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2006, 01:44:38 PM
happeh.  i'd agree wholeheartedly, but i shouldn't really, as i believe i was the one who drove him away, so modesty forbids.  perhaps he was the warm-up for my later bullying extravaganzas.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 28, 2006, 02:46:33 PM
Happeh was a quality troll. The ones we get now should pay attention to him.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 28, 2006, 04:58:08 PM
happeh.  i'd agree wholeheartedly, but i shouldn't really, as i believe i was the one who drove him away, so modesty forbids.  perhaps he was the warm-up for my later bullying extravaganzas.

i do believe that it was a 1-2 punch.

PI completely wore him down, and you, Lucifer sent him screaming for the hills.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: NAZICRUSADER on September 28, 2006, 05:34:01 PM
happeh.  i'd agree wholeheartedly, but i shouldn't really, as i believe i was the one who drove him away, so modesty forbids.  perhaps he was the warm-up for my later bullying extravaganzas.

HA HA HA IN YOUR DREAMS, I WILL HAUNT YOU WHEREVER YOU MAY TREAD

(http://www.massmurdermedia.tv/images/row10_06_Woman_with_severed_head.jpg)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 28, 2006, 09:43:25 PM
That's not even funny.  >:(
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2006, 12:35:20 AM
nice hat.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 29, 2006, 12:40:35 AM
Pay attention to Happeh, Crusader. You're boring.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 29, 2006, 06:41:18 AM
wasn't this thread dead about 14 pages ago?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2006, 06:49:20 AM
nah - at least 16 pages ago.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 29, 2006, 06:50:16 AM
amazing.

its just like a timex.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2006, 06:50:42 AM
huh?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on September 29, 2006, 06:55:58 AM
it takes a licking and it keeps on ticking.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on September 29, 2006, 09:39:16 AM
But not thanks to the substandard troll.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Praetor on September 29, 2006, 05:14:56 PM
(http://www.220.ro/storage/jesus_lol.jpg)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on September 29, 2006, 06:32:15 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Nomaken on September 30, 2006, 04:37:29 AM
Happeh was effectively an excellent troll, i just hope young students of trolling don't need to be schizophrenic to be so good at it.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Eamonn on September 30, 2006, 05:07:00 AM

Go ahead, another one to be slaughtered in the name of Jesus! Choose them or us, there is no inbetween.

Havent you got better things to do than troll the internet with this infantile behaviour. Like running the administration for the most powerful country on earth? You're the leader of the "free" world and i expect a little more from you than this. >:( 
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:20:43 PM
The troll may be a bit extreme but he's very right that Muslims are to blame for a lot of problems in the world. They're all so extreme. Look at the Pope's speech. Did any of those idiot clerics actually READ it? The Pope merely made a quote from an old bishop. IT WAS NOT HIS OWN WORDS, yet Muslims will find anyway to inflame tensions. That Chaudray bloke should be sent to prisons for many years for calling on Muslims to kill the pope.

No other religion behaves like that, Sikh, Hindu, or Buddhist.

Muslims need to change and adapt to modern society, they are stuck in the 8th century.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:23:39 PM
Hi Crusader/Cuntface/Nazicrusader...  :flame:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:25:11 PM
And it's hideous that scum Tony Blair, supposedly a Christian didn't intervene when the charges were dropped against Chaudry. England is a Christian country, Muslims will either adapt to our society or they will be fucking forced to flee when the rest of the population rebel. I don't CARE where they end up, as long as they're not harming the fabric of our country.

Blair and his cronies hate his own people. SCUM!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:27:16 PM
England is a secular country. Thank fuck.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:28:09 PM
Quote from: duncvic
The Wronged needs YOU!!!

Your wrong mate, have you ever heard of NAT? More than 1 computer can be on an address.

Why don't you answer the charges I put rather than piss about?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 02, 2006, 04:29:01 PM
:bssign:

(we still don't have a "yawn" emoticon, do we?)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:30:11 PM
Funny how your posting pattern comes straight from Trolling 101 then. And yes I've heard of NAT you muppet, but I'm not buying it.  :green:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:31:02 PM
:bssign:

(we still don't have a "yawn" emoticon, do we?)

we have this one: :zzz:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:31:25 PM
England is a secular country. Thank fuck.

WRONG AGAIN! The Church is part of the state here. C of E run schools, cities can only be cities if they have a Cathedral. The Queen is a the head of the Church of England and Head of State.

We have parish councils based on the area which a local main church will cover.

It is also law that state run schools practice Christian worship.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:33:56 PM
Fuck off.  :fingers:  :wanker:  :upyours: :bananas: :moon: :evillaugh: :bssign: :happypuke:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Nomaken on October 02, 2006, 04:34:34 PM
England is effectively much more secular than the united states.  They still have a church and shit, but they are far less serious about it than we are about our non-state religions.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:35:59 PM
England is effectively much more secular than the united states.  They still have a church and shit, but they are far less serious about it than we are about our non-state religions.

What he said. The majority are not practicing Xtians. Unlucky.  :squit:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:42:07 PM
And you still haven't answered the charges that the Pope never made those remarks personally against Muslims. They're all too lazy and extreme to read the speech in full.

In fact here it is! Debate properly or fuck off!

[Pope's speech at University of Regensburg (full text)

Sep. 20 (CWNews.com) - Editor's note: The following is the prepared text from which Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) spoke as he addressed an academic audience at the Unviersity of Regensburg on September 12. As he actually delivered it, the speech differed slightly. Because the speech has aroused an unusual amount of debate-- particularly regarding the Pope's references to Islam and to religious violence-- CWN strongly recommends reading the entire text. For follow-up stories and analysis see the CWN home page.

Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen,

It is a moving experience for me to stand and give a lecture at this university podium once again. I think back to those years when, after a pleasant period at the Freisinger Hochschule, I began teaching at the University of Bonn. This was in 1959, in the days of the old university made up of ordinary professors. The various chairs had neither assistants nor secretaries, but in recompense there was much direct contact with students and in particular among the professors themselves.

We would meet before and after lessons in the rooms of the teaching staff. There was a lively exchange with historians, philosophers, philologists and, naturally, between the two theological faculties. Once a semester there was a dies academicus, when professors from every faculty appeared before the students of the entire university, making possible a genuine experience of universitas: the reality that despite our specializations which at times make it difficult to communicate with each other, we made up a whole, working in everything on the basis of a single rationality with its various aspects and sharing responsibility for the right use of reason-- this reality became a lived experience.

The university was also very proud of its two theological faculties. It was clear that, by inquiring about the reasonableness of faith, they too carried out a work which is necessarily part of the whole of the universitas scientiarum, even if not everyone could share the faith which theologians seek to correlate with reason as a whole. This profound sense of coherence within the universe of reason was not troubled, even when it was once reported that a colleague had said there was something odd about our university: it had two faculties devoted to something that did not exist: God. That even in the face of such radical skepticism it is still necessary and reasonable to raise the question of God through the use of reason, and to do so in the context of the tradition of the Christian faith: this, within the university as a whole, was accepted without question.

I was reminded of all this recently, when I read the edition by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on-- perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara-- by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. It was probably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than the responses of the learned Persian.

The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith contained in the Bible and in the Qur'an, and deals especially with the image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the relationship of the three Laws: the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Qur'an. In this lecture I would like to discuss only one point-- itself rather marginal to the dialogue itself-- which, in the context of the issue of faith and reason, I found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my reflections on this issue.

In the seventh conversation edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the jihad (holy war). The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: There is no compulsion in religion. It is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat.

But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur’an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the “Book” and the “infidels,” he turns to his interlocutor somewhat brusquely with the central question on the relationship between religion and violence in general, in these words:

    Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.

The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul.


    God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death....


The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: "For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality." Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practice idolatry.

As far as understanding of God and thus the concrete practice of religion is concerned, we find ourselves faced with a dilemma which nowadays challenges us directly. Is the conviction that acting unreasonably contradicts God's nature merely a Greek idea, or is it always and intrinsically true? I believe that here we can see the profound harmony between what is Greek in the best sense of the word and the biblical understanding of faith in God. Modifying the first verse of the Book of Genesis, John began the prologue of his Gospel with the words: In the beginning was the logos. This is the very word used by the emperor: God acts with logos.

Logos means both reason and word-- a reason which is creative and capable of self-communication, precisely as reason. John thus spoke the final word on the biblical concept of God, and in this word all the often toilsome and tortuous threads of biblical faith find their culmination and synthesis. In the beginning was the logos, and the logos is God, says the Evangelist.

The encounter between the Biblical message and Greek thought did not happen by chance. The vision of Saint Paul, who saw the roads to Asia barred and in a dream saw a Macedonian man plead with him: Come over to Macedonia and help us! (cf. Acts 16:6-10)-- this vision can be interpreted as a distillation of the intrinsic necessity of a rapprochement between Biblical faith and Greek inquiry.

In point of fact, this rapprochement had been going on for some time. The mysterious name of God, revealed from the burning bush, a name which separates this God from all other divinities with their many names and declares simply that he is, is already presents a challenge to the notion of myth, to which Socrates's attempt to vanquish and transcend myth stands in close analogy. Within the Old Testament, the process which started at the burning bush came to new maturity at the time of the Exile, when the God of Israel, an Israel now deprived of its land and worship, was proclaimed as the God of heaven and earth and described in a simple formula which echoes the words uttered at the burning bush: I am.

This new understanding of God is accompanied by a kind of enlightenment, which finds stark expression in the mockery of gods who are merely the work of human hands (cf. Ps 115). Thus, despite the bitter conflict with those Hellenistic rulers who sought to accommodate it forcibly to the customs and idolatrous cult of the Greeks, biblical faith, in the Hellenistic period, encountered the best of Greek thought at a deep level, resulting in a mutual enrichment evident especially in the later wisdom literature.

Today we know that the Greek translation of the Old Testament produced at Alexandria-- the Septuagint-- is more than a simple (and in that sense perhaps less than satisfactory) translation of the Hebrew text: it is an independent textual witness and a distinct and important step in the history of revelation, one which brought about this encounter in a way that was decisive for the birth and spread of Christianity. A profound encounter of faith and reason is taking place here, an encounter between genuine enlightenment and religion. From the very heart of Christian faith and, at the same time, the heart of Greek thought now joined to faith, Manuel II was able to say: Not to act “with logos” is contrary to God's nature.

In all honesty, one must observe that in the late Middle Ages we find trends in theology which would sunder this synthesis between the Greek spirit and the Christian spirit. In contrast with the so-called intellectualism of Augustine and Thomas, there arose with Duns Scotus a voluntarism which ultimately led to the claim that we can only know God's voluntas ordinata. Beyond this is the realm of God's freedom, in virtue of which he could have done the opposite of everything he has actually done. This gives rise to positions which clearly approach those of Ibn Hazn and might even lead to the image of a capricious God, who is not even bound to truth and goodness. God's transcendence and otherness are so exalted that our reason, our sense of the true and good, are no longer an authentic mirror of God, whose deepest possibilities remain eternally unattainable and hidden behind his actual decisions.

As opposed to this, the faith of the Church has always insisted that between God and us, between his eternal Creator Spirit and our created reason there exists a real analogy, in which unlikeness remains infinitely greater than likeness, yet not to the point of abolishing analogy and its language (cf. Lateran IV). God does not become more divine when we push him away from us in a sheer, impenetrable voluntarism; rather, the truly divine God is the God who has revealed himself as logos and, as logos, has acted and continues to act lovingly on our behalf. Certainly, love transcends knowledge and is thereby capable of perceiving more than thought alone (cf. Eph 3:19); nonetheless it continues to be love of the God who is logos. Consequently, Christian worship is worship in harmony with the eternal Word and with our reason (cf. Rom 12:1).

This inner rapprochement between Biblical faith and Greek philosophical inquiry was an event of decisive importance not only from the standpoint of the history of religions, but also from that of world history-– it is an event which concerns us even today. Given this convergence, it is not surprising that Christianity, despite its origins and some significant developments in the East, finally took on its historically decisive character in Europe. We can also express this the other way around: this convergence, with the subsequent addition of the Roman heritage, created Europe and remains the foundation of what can rightly be called Europe.

The thesis that the critically purified Greek heritage forms an integral part of Christian faith has been countered by the call for a dehellenization of Christianity-– a call which has more and more dominated theological discussions since the beginning of the modern age. Viewed more closely, three stages can be observed in the program of dehellenization: although interconnected, they are clearly distinct from one another in their motivations and objectives.

Dehellenization first emerges in connection with the fundamental postulates of the Reformation in the 16th century. Looking at the tradition of scholastic theology, the Reformers thought they were confronted with a faith system totally conditioned by philosophy, that is to say an articulation of the faith based on an alien system of thought. As a result, faith no longer appeared as a living historical Word but as one element of an overarching philosophical system. The principle of sola scriptura, on the other hand, sought faith in its pure, primordial form, as originally found in the biblical Word. Metaphysics appeared as a premise derived from another source, from which faith had to be liberated in order to become once more fully itself. When Kant stated that he needed to set thinking aside in order to make room for faith, he carried this program forward with a radicalism that the Reformers could never have foreseen. He thus anchored faith exclusively in practical reason, denying it access to reality as a whole.

The liberal theology of the 19th and 20th centuries ushered in a second stage in the process of dehellenization, with Adolf von Harnack as its outstanding representative. When I was a student, and in the early years of my teaching, this program was highly influential in Catholic theology too. It took as its point of departure Pascal’s distinction between the God of the philosophers and the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

In my inaugural lecture at Bonn in 1959, I tried to address the issue. I will not repeat here what I said on that occasion, but I would like to describe at least briefly what was new about this second stage of dehellenization. Harnack’s central idea was to return simply to the man Jesus and to his simple message, underneath the accretions of theology and indeed of hellenization: this simple message was seen as the culmination of the religious development of humanity. Jesus was said to have put an end to worship in favor of morality. In the end he was presented as the father of a humanitarian moral message. The fundamental goal was to bring Christianity back into harmony with modern reason, liberating it, that is to say, from seemingly philosophical and theological elements, such as faith in Christ’s divinity and the triune God.

In this sense, historical-critical exegesis of the New Testament restored to theology its place within the university: theology, for Harnack, is something essentially historical and therefore strictly scientific. What it is able to say critically about Jesus is, so to speak, an expression of practical reason and consequently it can take its rightful place within the university. Behind this thinking lies the modern self-limitation of reason, classically expressed in Kant’s “Critiques”, but in the meantime further radicalized by the impact of the natural sciences. This modern concept of reason is based, to put it briefly, on a synthesis between Platonism (Cartesianism) and empiricism, a synthesis confirmed by the success of technology. On the one hand it presupposes the mathematical structure of matter, its intrinsic rationality, which makes it possible to understand how matter works and use it efficiently: this basic premise is, so to speak, the Platonic element in the modern understanding of nature. On the other hand, there is nature’s capacity to be exploited for our purposes, and here only the possibility of verification or falsification through experimentation can yield ultimate certainty. The weight between the two poles can, depending on the circumstances, shift from one side to the other. As strongly positivistic a thinker as J. Monod has declared himself a convinced Platonist/Cartesian.

This gives rise to two principles which are crucial for the issue we have raised. First, only the kind of certainty resulting from the interplay of mathematical and empirical elements can be considered scientific. Anything that would claim to be science must be measured against this criterion. Hence the human sciences, such as history, psychology, sociology, and philosophy, attempt to conform themselves to this canon of scientificity. A second point, which is important for our reflections, is that by its very nature this method excludes the question of God, making it appear an unscientific or pre-scientific question. Consequently, we are faced with a reduction of the radius of science and reason, one which needs to be questioned.

We shall return to this problem later. In the meantime, it must be observed that from this standpoint any attempt to maintain theology’s claim to be “scientific” would end up reducing Christianity to a mere fragment of its former self. But we must say more: it is man himself who ends up being reduced, for the specifically human questions about our origin and destiny, the questions raised by religion and ethics, then have no place within the purview of collective reason as defined by “science” and must thus be relegated to the realm of the subjective. The subject then decides, on the basis of his experiences, what he considers tenable in matters of religion, and the subjective “conscience” becomes the sole arbiter of what is ethical. In this way, though, ethics and religion lose their power to create a community and become a completely personal matter.

This is a dangerous state of affairs for humanity, as we see from the disturbing pathologies of religion and reason which necessarily erupt when reason is so reduced that questions of religion and ethics no longer concern it. Attempts to construct an ethic from the rules of evolution or from psychology and sociology, end up being simply inadequate.

Before I draw the conclusions to which all this has been leading, I must briefly refer to the third stage of dehellenization, which is now in progress. In the light of our experience with cultural pluralism, it is often said nowadays that the synthesis with Hellenism achieved in the early Church was a preliminary inculturation which ought not to be binding on other cultures. The latter are said to have the right to return to the simple message of the New Testament prior to that inculturation, in order to inculturate it anew in their own particular milieux. This thesis is not only false; it is coarse and lacking in precision. The New Testament was written in Greek and bears the imprint of the Greek spirit, which had already come to maturity as the Old Testament developed. True, there are elements in the evolution of the early Church which do not have to be integrated into all cultures. Nonetheless, the fundamental decisions made about the relationship between faith and the use of human reason are part of the faith itself; they are developments consonant with the nature of faith itself.

And so I come to my conclusion. This attempt, painted with broad strokes, at a critique of modern reason from within has nothing to do with putting the clock back to the time before the Enlightenment and rejecting the insights of the modern age. The positive aspects of modernity are to be acknowledged unreservedly: we are all grateful for the marvelous possibilities that it has opened up for mankind and for the progress in humanity that has been granted to us. The scientific ethos, moreover, is the will to be obedient to the truth, and, as such, it embodies an attitude which reflects one of the basic tenets of Christianity. The intention here is not one of retrenchment or negative criticism, but of broadening our concept of reason and its application.

While we rejoice in the new possibilities open to humanity, we also see the dangers arising from these possibilities and we must ask ourselves how we can overcome them. We will succeed in doing so only if reason and faith come together in a new way, if we overcome the self-imposed limitation of reason to the empirically verifiable, and if we once more disclose its vast horizons. In this sense theology rightly belongs in the university and within the wide-ranging dialogue of sciences, not merely as a historical discipline and one of the human sciences, but precisely as theology, as inquiry into the rationality of faith.

Only thus do we become capable of that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today. In the Western world it is widely held that only positivistic reason and the forms of philosophy based on it are universally valid. Yet the world’s profoundly religious cultures see this exclusion of the divine from the universality of reason as an attack on their most profound convictions. A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures. At the same time, as I have attempted to show, modern scientific reason with its intrinsically Platonic element bears within itself a question which points beyond itself and beyond the possibilities of its methodology.

Modern scientific reason quite simply has to accept the rational structure of matter and the correspondence between our spirit and the prevailing rational structures of nature as a given, on which its methodology has to be based. Yet the question why this has to be so is a real question, and one which has to be remanded by the natural sciences to other modes and planes of thought: to philosophy and theology.

For philosophy and, albeit in a different way, for theology, listening to the great experiences and insights of the religious traditions of humanity, and those of the Christian faith in particular, is a source of knowledge, and to ignore it would be an unacceptable restriction of our listening and responding. Here I am reminded of something Socrates said to Phaedo. In their earlier conversations, many false philosophical opinions had been raised, and so Socrates says: “It would be easily understandable if someone became so annoyed at all these false notions that for the rest of his life he despised and mocked all talk about being - but in this way he would be deprived of the truth of existence and would suffer a great loss”.

The West has long been endangered by this aversion to the questions which underlie its rationality, and can only suffer great harm thereby. The courage to engage the whole breadth of reason, and not the denial of its grandeur – this is the program with which a theology grounded in Biblical faith enters into the debates of our time. “Not to act reasonably (with logos) is contrary to the nature of God”, said Manuel II, according to his Christian understanding of God, in response to his Persian interlocutor. It is to this great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures. To rediscover it constantly is the great task of the university. 
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:46:34 PM
Nah. I can't be bothered - why the frig should I care what the Pope said? He's a fucking irrelevance.  :mwhaha:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 02, 2006, 04:47:20 PM
 :zzz:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:48:37 PM
Fuck off.  :fingers:  :wanker:  :upyours: :bananas: :moon: :evillaugh: :bssign: :happypuke:

The reply of an imbecil! A wolf stuck in the corner.

I quote from http://www.ccsr.ac.uk/research/churchcensus.htm

Nearly three-quarters of the English population was identified as Christian in the 2001 census of population.

England is majority Christian. Foreigners will abide by our culture and society or LEAVE without question.

What would happen if an English bishop went over to a main mosque in Arabia and did the same as Chaudry cuntface did here? They wouldn't put up with it, we should do the same here. But Labour have let so many Muslims into the country because they hate us, they're too scared. This country has gone to the dogs. We must rise and fight this evil.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:50:38 PM
Nah. I can't be bothered - why the frig should I care what the Pope said? He's a fucking irrelevance.  :mwhaha:

Because you're a fucking uneducated lazy bastard that's why! Mindset of a chav! Go and rob a few old ladies, go to your Mosque and learn do some terrosist training.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 02, 2006, 04:50:46 PM
Fuck off.  :fingers:  :wanker:  :upyours: :bananas: :moon: :evillaugh: :bssign: :happypuke:

The reply of an imbecil! A wolf stuck in the corner.

I quote from http://www.ccsr.ac.uk/research/churchcensus.htm

Nearly three-quarters of the English population was identified as Christian in the 2001 census of population.

England is majority Christian. Foreigners will abide by our culture and society or LEAVE without question.

What would happen if an English bishop went over to a main mosque in Arabia and did the same as Chaudry cuntface did here? They wouldn't put up with it, we should do the same here. But Labour have let so many Muslims into the country because they hate us, they're too scared. This country has gone to the dogs. We must rise and fight this evil.

I find it ironic that he called someone an imbecile, and yet he spelled "imbecile" wrong.  :LOL:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:52:25 PM
Nominally Christian, bumface. Church attendance figures tell a very different story. Big difference.  :fingers:

Mind of a racist shitbag. 'Nazicrusader'.

Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:54:50 PM
Big deal! Is such minor nitpicking really that significant? You're dodging the real question just like any socialist or muslim extremist.

It's becoming a recognised fact that the late Pope John Paul II was responsible for the fall of communism. But I bet you'd be happy to have let communism thrive, and watch more innocents get tortured and starve to death etc.

Your a friend of George Gallaway/Ken Livingstone and their extremist Muslims friends. All the same bag egg.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:56:20 PM
What's a bag egg?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:56:39 PM
Nominally Christian, bumface. Church attendance figures tell a very different story. Big difference.  :fingers:

Mind of a racist shitbag. 'Nazicrusader'.



Then show me some REAL facts? It's PEOPLE who fill in census forms. It's the law! You don't have to attend Church to be christian. As long as you practice somewhere, somepoint on a regular bases then the Lord will have mercy on you.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:57:26 PM
And yeah, it is a fairly significant difference, as it suggests that most people don't give that much of a fuck really.  :wanker:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:57:58 PM
What's a bag egg?

BAD EGG you idiot, or can't your VJCD infected brain figure that out? Sorry you smell of that too much of the time, you can't even think straight!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:58:57 PM
IIRC, fuckloads of people filled in their census form as 'Jedi Knight' last time around. Doesn't make them devout Jedis. Practice your logic Troll you must!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 04:59:53 PM
I like this incarnation odeon. he's funnier.  :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 04:59:59 PM
And yeah, it is a fairly significant difference, as it suggests that most people don't give that much of a fuck really.  :wanker:

1. Your not from this country to truely know
2. You haven't given me any facts or figures

Show's your uneducated, try doing that without references trick in an essay.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 05:05:08 PM
And yeah, it is a fairly significant difference, as it suggests that most people don't give that much of a fuck really.  :wanker:

1. Your not from this country to truely know
2. You haven't given me any facts or figures

Show's your uneducated, try doing that without references trick in an essay.

1. I'm British.
2. I can't be bothered.

By the way, I'm a graduate, so that fucks up your theory. Fucked if I'm quoting sources contradicting bullshit spouted by someone who can't be arsed to post using his proper account even.   :wallbutt:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 05:09:23 PM
What if I am right about Islam? Then what I am saying is not a matter of "bigotry" or "hatred" at all, but a matter of self-preservation.

Making inferences about a person's mental state or "hateful" intentions before (or often just instead of) addressing their arguments is a totalitarian technique.

HOW CORRECT

Let's see if Duncvis or anyone else can overcome their totalitarian nature.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 02, 2006, 05:10:19 PM
[And dispute not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong and injury.]  (Al-`Ankabut 29:46)

Sorry, I'd love to stay and chat a little longer, Nazicrusader, but my sleeper cell imam just paged me.

Salam.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 05:12:11 PM
Nein! I will not overcome my totalitarian nature! I insist that people stop being fucked up bigots NOW! Or else I'm converting to Islam to spite you.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 05:12:15 PM
And yeah, it is a fairly significant difference, as it suggests that most people don't give that much of a fuck really.  :wanker:

1. Your not from this country to truely know
2. You haven't given me any facts or figures

Show's your uneducated, try doing that without references trick in an essay.

1. I'm British.
2. I can't be bothered.

By the way, I'm a graduate, so that fucks up your theory. Fucked if I'm quoting sources contradicting bullshit spouted by someone who can't be arsed to post using his proper account even.   :wallbutt:

Graduate in what? Islamic Studies? Communism?

I haven't posted any contradicting 'bullshit' dude, I've quoted facts and you're too lazy and fucked on drugs probably too answer.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 05:14:06 PM
Allahu Akbar!!!!!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 02, 2006, 05:14:43 PM
 :LOL:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 02, 2006, 05:16:32 PM
Nein! I will not overcome my totalitarian nature! I insist that people stop being fucked up bigots NOW! Or else I'm converting to Islam to spite you.

Allow me to help, Dunc:

Quote
It is only necessary that a person declares "La ilaha illallah, Muhammadun rasul Allah " with their lips and means it with all their heart for them to be Muslim. If this person you are telling us about has declared Shahadah with his lips and meant what he said from the bottom of his heart, then there can be no doubt that he is Muslim.

Just as an aside here, it is important for all of us, no matter how long we have been Muslim, to declare our Shahadah each day and to mean it with all our hearts each time we say it, in order for us to be good Muslims and to deserve the honor which Almighty Allah has bestowed on us.

Salam.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Chri on October 02, 2006, 05:18:52 PM
Nein! I will not overcome my totalitarian nature! I insist that people stop being fucked up bigots NOW! Or else I'm converting to Islam to spite you.

If you do, I will have the police search your house roof to foundations leaving no stone unturned. All you Muslim friends houses will searched too at the slightest hint of any extremism. Even if nothing if found there will no apology whatsoever from them, and they will leave it in mess and not offer to tidy anything up.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 02, 2006, 05:22:12 PM
Just look at this example of Muslims terrorising our country

Muslim-only Alton Towers
 
Thrilling ... but only Muslims will be invited
 
Thrilling ... but only Muslims will be invited

 
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BRITAIN’S biggest fun park has sparked a race row — with a MUSLIMS-ONLY day.

Up to 28,000 are expected at Alton Towers on September 17 when there will be no music, booze or gambling.

Instead there will be prayer areas, Muslim stalls and all food served will be HALAL.

Organisers Islamic Leisure have billed it the First National Muslim Fun Day and tickets can only be bought through their website.

Non-Muslims phoning the Staffordshire park have been refused tickets.

One, George Hughes, 19, who rang up for 15 tickets for a pal’s birthday, said: “I couldn’t believe it.


Invited ... Muslim girls can go to the fun day
Invited ... Muslim girls can go to the fun day

“It’s the only day we can go, yet I can’t because I’m not Muslim. Can you imagine all the fuss if there was a Christians-only day?”

George, of Crayford, Kent, added: “My Muslim friends think it’s outrageous.

“What’s the world coming to when people are being banned from flying the St George’s flag yet this sort of day is allowed? If it must be held, then why not on a weekday rather than a busy weekend?”

The event is widely promoted on the internet and the Muslim Public Affairs Committee declared it “exclusively for our brothers and sisters”.


Logo ... biggest fun park
Logo ... biggest fun park

But some Muslims have condemned the idea. One university student on a Muslim website forum said: “It’s hardly encouraging integration.”

Another said: “What next . . . an all Muslims shopping day out in the Trafford Centre in Manchester?”

Abid Hussan of Islamic Leisure insisted the day was open to all faiths, although Islamic laws would apply.

He added: “There will be no smoking, no alcohol and halal food only.

“We’re trying to get Muslims to go to this day because they wouldn’t normally go somewhere like Alton Towers. We’re trying to integrate Muslims into the wider community. People can come down and see the way we live. It will be a peaceful family environment.”

Alton Towers said any organisation could hire the park for a day.

A spokeswoman said “We make no distinction regarding sexuality, religious, ethnic or lifestyle choices.”

She confirmed tickets for the day were now available only through Islamic Leisure. And Alton Towers would promote the fact that the day had been booked.

She added: “As a general rule, there will be no admission on the day to guests who have not booked through the organisation in advance.”

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Need I say more. What would happen if Christians did that in Arabia? Muslims are primitive and backward.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Nomaken on October 02, 2006, 05:22:51 PM
I'm not gonna argue with you about it just because arguing about it is redundant.  Saying that an organized religion is a backwards cesspool of evil and hate is like saying that a bear shits in the woods.  
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 02, 2006, 06:06:08 PM
Nein! I will not overcome my totalitarian nature! I insist that people stop being fucked up bigots NOW! Or else I'm converting to Islam to spite you.

If you do, I will have the police search your house roof to foundations leaving no stone unturned. All you Muslim friends houses will searched too at the slightest hint of any extremism. Even if nothing if found there will no apology whatsoever from them, and they will leave it in mess and not offer to tidy anything up.

I'll have a fatwa issued against you then!  :green:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Leto729 on October 02, 2006, 07:42:01 PM
Allah be with Us.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Callaway on October 02, 2006, 07:56:50 PM
Just look at this example of Muslims terrorising our country

Muslim-only Alton Towers
 
Need I say more. What would happen if Christians did that in Arabia? Muslims are primitive and backward.

I don't know if there are amusement parks of that sort in Saudi Arabia, Christian.

My grandfather's company rented an entire amusement park one time for a company picnic.  Nobody but their employees and families were allowed in the amusement park that day.  I don't think there is anything terrorizing or evil about that, whether it is a private company or a religious group renting an entire amusement park.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 03, 2006, 01:27:50 AM
Wanna convert, too, Callaway? We have a spot available in the local sleeper cell.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 03, 2006, 01:41:54 AM
no one asked me if I wanted to convert.  :'(
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 03, 2006, 01:44:46 AM
Sorry, QC. Do you want to? Here's what to do:

Quote
It is only necessary that a person declares "La ilaha illallah, Muhammadun rasul Allah " with their lips and means it with all their heart for them to be Muslim. If this person you are telling us about has declared Shahadah with his lips and meant what he said from the bottom of his heart, then there can be no doubt that he is Muslim.

Just as an aside here, it is important for all of us, no matter how long we have been Muslim, to declare our Shahadah each day and to mean it with all our hearts each time we say it, in order for us to be good Muslims and to deserve the honor which Almighty Allah has bestowed on us.

Salam.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 03, 2006, 01:52:17 AM
Ta, odeon.  :green:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on October 03, 2006, 01:53:41 AM
well, haven't i just missed all the fun?  sigh...

okay, erm... "christian" is it, this time round?  well look:  it's about time people stop demonising muslims, cos that's really boring now - it's become completely old hat, as has jew-baiting and gay-bashing.  so why don't you start on the lepers again?  or, better still, witches, cos i think there's probably more meat on that particular bone (and besides, it'd be interesting to see how The Crusader would battle against a real Saladin, eh?   :flame:)

Salaam, and Blessed Be, Fundie Boy.  :P

 :witch:   :-*
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 03, 2006, 03:16:20 AM
Simple fact is, Muslims have a more simple, demonic mindset when the Qu'ran says you can blow up other people in suicide. No Christian terrorist has ever been a suicide bomber. And is that all you can do when converting to Islam, join a local sleeper sell? The police have every right to stop and search any arab looking person more than anyone else.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on October 03, 2006, 03:18:29 AM
 :wanker:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on October 03, 2006, 09:38:35 AM
Just look at this example of Muslims terrorising our country

Muslim-only Alton Towers
 
Blah, blah, tabloid bullshit, blah

Need I say more. What would happen if Christians did that in Arabia? Muslims are primitive and backward.

Actually if they could guarentee enough ticket sales anyone could book an amusement park for the day- the people who own it only care about getting their money.  As illustrated by the fact that Alton Towers cancelled the day when it became clear not enough tickets had been sold.
http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=8785 (http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=8785)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on October 03, 2006, 10:33:47 AM
it really hasn't a clue, like every other racist i've met/read/heard, has it?

what a complete waste of DNA a lettuce could have used...  ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: El on October 03, 2006, 02:41:10 PM
It really seems like Christian's heart is in it.  It's kinda funny.  Then again I can't be bothered to go back and read, maybe at some point he somehow established himself as trying to be credible instead of self-parodying.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Christian on October 04, 2006, 03:18:23 AM
Just look at this example of Muslims terrorising our country

Muslim-only Alton Towers
 
Blah, blah, tabloid bullshit, blah

Need I say more. What would happen if Christians did that in Arabia? Muslims are primitive and backward.

Actually if they could guarentee enough ticket sales anyone could book an amusement park for the day- the people who own it only care about getting their money.  As illustrated by the fact that Alton Towers cancelled the day when it became clear not enough tickets had been sold.
http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=8785 (http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=8785)

Beacause in a Christian country, nobody wants to go where Muslims wish to take over. Send them out on cruise liner into the Atlantic and sink it instead!
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: purposefulinsanity on October 04, 2006, 03:29:10 AM
Just look at this example of Muslims terrorising our country

Muslim-only Alton Towers
 
Blah, blah, tabloid bullshit, blah

Need I say more. What would happen if Christians did that in Arabia? Muslims are primitive and backward.

Actually if they could guarentee enough ticket sales anyone could book an amusement park for the day- the people who own it only care about getting their money.  As illustrated by the fact that Alton Towers cancelled the day when it became clear not enough tickets had been sold.
http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=8785 (http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=8785)

Beacause in a Christian country, nobody wants to go where Muslims wish to take over. Send them out on cruise liner into the Atlantic and sink it instead!


What an incredibly well thought-out and insightful response :clap: (we need a slow clap emoticon really).
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 04, 2006, 03:32:40 AM
An easier solution is to send the troll out on the Atlantic. Cheaper, too, since it doesn't need a cruise liner.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2006, 09:30:34 AM
What an incredibly well thought-out and insightful response :clap: (we need a slow clap emoticon really).

did you actually read it, then?  PI, you have the patience of a saint.  i could never be bothered to read stuff posted by dullards...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 04, 2006, 10:24:16 AM
Oh, and regarding the troll: can we just dump it in the nearest river or something? Must it really be the atlantic ocean?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2006, 10:25:32 AM
nah - just need to chuck a bucket of cold water over it - it'll melt.

;)

lol.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Kaze no Kae on October 22, 2006, 06:06:08 AM
Christianity is a dangerous, fanatical religion (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=1520.0)
Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=1423.0)
These 2 topics are as bullshitting as each other.  And its quite obvious they were started by the same person just to stir up trouble.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Callaway on October 22, 2006, 07:50:21 AM
Actually, they weren't. 

Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion was started to troll by a member who got so worked up he started making threats to some of the people who were posting on his trolling thread.

Christianity is a dangerous, fanatical religion was started by another member as a response to his thread, perhaps to show him that many religions can have fanatical and dangerous members, including his own professed religion.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Kaze no Kae on October 22, 2006, 08:10:47 AM
kk
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Leto729 on October 22, 2006, 08:13:18 AM
I thought they where the same. ;D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Nomaken on October 22, 2006, 12:40:37 PM
I consider the person who started the christianity thread to be just as much of a troll as i consider the person who started the islam one.  That is, not at all.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Callaway on October 22, 2006, 03:19:29 PM
I consider the person who started the christianity thread to be just as much of a troll as i consider the person who started the islam one.  That is, not at all.

You don't think the person who started this Islam thread intended to troll, Nomaken?  Interesting.  What do you think he intended?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 22, 2006, 03:45:15 PM
Good question, Callaway.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Scrapheap on October 26, 2006, 12:22:04 AM
All of Monotheism sucks donkey balls!! All of them should go to hell. (if there was one)  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 26, 2006, 03:00:29 AM
So you like polytheism? Or atheism?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Scrapheap on October 27, 2006, 01:39:38 PM
So you like polytheism? Or atheism?

Atheism
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 27, 2006, 01:44:39 PM
I'm the opposite. Just theism for me. I'm a theist agnostic. :)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on April 07, 2007, 07:03:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6SRGRshiSM
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Scrapheap on April 18, 2007, 12:14:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6SRGRshiSM

 :LMAO: :rofl:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Scrapheap on June 12, 2007, 08:45:59 AM
Gotta love Islam...  ::)

The very definition of compassion. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19176808/)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on June 12, 2007, 10:08:51 AM
We get those here too, and they all seem to have something in common - its cultural, not religious. They tend to occur in close knit 'redneck' communities who migrated to the UK from backcountry regions with very backwards, patriarchal, often tribalistic cultures, and generally haven't made much effort as a community to integrate into/engage with British society, preferring to isolate themselves and cling to practices from their regions of origin. I don't think they have grown in number - but far more are being reported, and logged as honour killings, than previously was the case. Fortunately its actually being taken seriously now, along with the issue of integration vs multiculturalism - so one good thing has come out of the riots and the backlash from 9/11 at least.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Thagomizer on June 12, 2007, 10:19:05 AM
:laugh: Well that's just the most transparent and pathetic attempt to flame I've seen in quite a while.
Nope; he's just telling it like it is.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on June 12, 2007, 10:51:11 AM
You're a bit of a wanker on the quiet really, aren't you?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on June 12, 2007, 11:39:50 AM
the number one boys name in the UK last year: Jack
the number two boys name and expected to be number one shortly: Mahammed.

Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2007, 11:40:32 AM
You're a bit of a wanker on the quiet really, aren't you?

i did warn you...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on June 12, 2007, 11:58:47 AM
the number one boys name in the UK last year: Jack
the number two boys name and expected to be number one shortly: Mahammed.



Not very imaginative, some Muslim families. There were usually two or three Mohammeds in my class at school.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on June 12, 2007, 12:10:02 PM
i was wondering if it was spelled mahammed or mohammed!
mohammed it is.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on June 12, 2007, 12:10:38 PM
Well, it's a cultural thing, too, as well as a religious one. It's considered a great honour to be named after the prophet.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2007, 12:16:52 PM
the number one boys name in the UK last year: Jack
the number two boys name and expected to be number one shortly: Mahammed.



Not very imaginative, some Muslim families. There were usually two or three Mohammeds in my class at school.   :laugh:

that's because, in several countries i can think of, there are offical/legal names, and only these can be chosen, and they tend to be fairly limited.  portugal, for example, has about 20 offical names for men, or something similar (and that might be changing, but that's the way it was last time i heard).  the portuguese get round it by using nicknames.  a lot of muslim males get round it by using their full name.

anyway, ffs - it's better than calling your kid "Champagne".  i kid you not - i taught her not long ago.   ::)  and what about that dingbat named after a hotel?  just as well she wasn't born in a chavvie area over here, or she could've been "Little Chef".

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on June 12, 2007, 12:24:38 PM
Lol, we know of one (chav) family which appears to have given all their kids car names or ones associated with racing - 'Xantia', 'Daytona', 'Ayrton (Senna)', etc etc. Good eh?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2007, 12:28:43 PM
Lol, we know of one (chav) family which appears to have given all their kids car names or ones associated with racing - 'Xantia', 'Daytona', 'Ayrton (Senna)', etc etc. Good eh?

too horrible to even contemplate.  anyway, they missed out "Shergar".

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Scrapheap on June 12, 2007, 01:54:54 PM
Lol, we know of one (chav) family which appears to have given all their kids car names or ones associated with racing - 'Xantia', 'Daytona', 'Ayrton (Senna)', etc etc. Good eh?

I absolutely LOVE racing and would never give my kids such stupid names.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2007, 02:31:25 PM
Lol, we know of one (chav) family which appears to have given all their kids car names or ones associated with racing - 'Xantia', 'Daytona', 'Ayrton (Senna)', etc etc. Good eh?

I absolutely LOVE racing and would never give my kids such stupid names.

then there may be hope for you yet.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on June 12, 2007, 09:59:10 PM
Well, it's a cultural thing, too, as well as a religious one. It's considered a great honour to be named after the prophet.

This is quite interesting. (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2648144.ece)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on June 13, 2007, 06:18:18 AM
Yeah, it's interesting. Scary, too, because the name is enough for the islamophobics to shout "terrorists!"
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: duncvis on June 13, 2007, 07:24:01 AM
I thought this was quite telling:

Quote from: a Mohammed
If your name is Mohammed and you are a terrorist, it means you are not in the fold of the Islamic religion.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on June 13, 2007, 03:11:28 PM
A smokescreen, you know that. After all, Fox News knows best.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Alex179 on June 13, 2007, 09:24:18 PM
There are fanatics of all religions.   Islamic fanatics are usually dangerous in that some of them believe 60% of the world will die and everyone left will worship Allah.   To call the entire religion fantatical and dangerous is not even logical.  I have met some decent people who are followers of Islam.   Every religion has its share of bad people.   Generalizing to start a thread is seriously weak.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Calandale on June 13, 2007, 09:25:54 PM
  Every religion has its share of bad people.

Hmm...wonder if there are 'bad' Jains.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2007, 01:33:50 AM
There are fanatics of all religions.   Islamic fanatics are usually dangerous in that some of them believe 60% of the world will die and everyone left will worship Allah.   To call the entire religion fantatical and dangerous is not even logical.  I have met some decent people who are followers of Islam.   Every religion has its share of bad people.   Generalizing to start a thread is seriously weak.

QFT.

nicely put, alex179.  :plus: 
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Janicka on June 17, 2007, 09:59:09 PM
LOL - I didn't know that GW Bush posts here. 
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on June 18, 2007, 01:16:02 AM
He does?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 18, 2007, 02:08:58 AM
well, there are enough people who post in the same sort of mangled gibberish he uses, so it's possible, i suppose.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on June 18, 2007, 02:42:13 AM
One of the n00b accounts is his sock puppet, perhaps...?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 18, 2007, 02:45:16 AM
One of the n00b accounts is his sock puppet, perhaps...?

no, no - dubya is his own sock puppet.  has the intelligence of one, anyway.  ::)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on June 18, 2007, 02:49:34 AM
OMG, like, I mean, lol. ;D
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 18, 2007, 02:57:14 AM
"God bless you, my fellow amphibians..."
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Thagomizer on June 22, 2007, 12:19:17 PM
Now that I've bothered to read through the entirety of this thread, I have the following to say: I want that half hour of my life back . . .  :-\
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 22, 2007, 12:28:44 PM
Now that I've bothered to read through the entirety of this thread, I have the following to say: I want that half hour of my life back . . .  :-\

yep.  now you know how we feel.  :razz:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on June 22, 2007, 07:04:25 PM
Now that I've bothered to read through the entirety of this thread, I have the following to say: I want that half hour of my life back . . .  :-\

You are referring to the time it took you to write that post, right? :P
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: El on June 23, 2007, 07:32:02 AM
Now that I've bothered to read through the entirety of this thread, I have the following to say: I want that half hour of my life back . . .  :-\

You are referring to the time it took you to write that post, right? :P

The post quoted in the quote of yours I'm quoting, or the one of the other thread that drained the server a bit?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on June 23, 2007, 10:31:09 AM
Now that I've bothered to read through the entirety of this thread, I have the following to say: I want that half hour of my life back . . .  :-\

You are referring to the time it took you to write that post, right? :P

The post quoted in the quote of yours I'm quoting, or the one of the other thread that drained the server a bit?

I think it was in the other thread. Dunno what it did to the server. :laugh:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Leto729 on June 23, 2007, 10:36:08 AM
All Religions are dangerous.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 23, 2007, 10:36:59 AM
i've lost the will to live over it.  my brain goes a-wandering about ten lines in, and i start thinking about ironing, and toast, and whether my hair needs washing...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on June 23, 2007, 10:39:23 AM
All Religions are dangerous.

Buddhism isn't.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 23, 2007, 10:41:07 AM
All Religions are dangerous.

Buddhism isn't.

it is if you're a bowl of rice.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on June 23, 2007, 10:55:41 AM
Sorry, I didn't stop to consider that. How about pasta?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lucifer on June 23, 2007, 11:00:38 AM
should be safe.  although i dunno about saffron - all those orange robes...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Calandale on June 23, 2007, 04:05:16 PM
All Religions are dangerous.

Buddhism isn't.

it is if you're a bowl of rice.

Perhaps the rice LIKES to be eaten.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Leto729 on June 23, 2007, 04:20:13 PM
should be safe.  although i dunno about saffron - all those orange robes...
That makes them dangerous too.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: McGiver on June 24, 2007, 02:28:43 PM
Sorry, I didn't stop to consider that. How about pasta?
degaoism is a danger to the pasta.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on October 14, 2014, 09:14:31 AM
On the whole, yes.

Even though a minority of muslims engage in violence, they've always found refuge amongst the moderates.

Islam will probably export violence for the next couple hundred years before it learns to behave itself.


:meditate:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Hannah on October 16, 2014, 12:03:35 AM
What just really confuses me are why the moderates don't well say more? Like oh I don't know religion is an excuse for some to take out there anger because they are cowards this goes for things people do in the name of Christ...this said I mentioned in another thread that my faith has strengthened me and is a source of hope for me, I don't see how some can use it faith that is as something that is destructive but that is human nature and there will be those that are a minority of what it calls the 'remnant' of those who truly seek peace among themselves and those around them...not just by saying it but by living it...it mentions this quiet a bit in the Bible the remnant which I find to be very true...

Then again the religion of Islam is based upon daddy issues...but that is another can of worms that will just make some folks here heads hurt...makes mine hurt I just do what I can by staying focused on the positive, not to the point of being ignorant of what is going on...but being a positive change myself starting with me self initiatory etc...that is really how things get better anyhow in any arena
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 16, 2014, 11:26:54 PM
Actually the moderates do say more. A Google search should give you a few pertinent links.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on October 17, 2014, 10:37:58 AM
Actually the moderates do say more. A Google search should give you a few pertinent links.

What moderates type on the internet in English is largely irrelevant.

Massive demonstrations in the street and follow up political action is what's needed.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Hannah on October 17, 2014, 04:31:33 PM
Actually the moderates do say more. A Google search should give you a few pertinent links.

What moderates type on the internet in English is largely irrelevant.

Massive demonstrations in the street and follow up political action is what's needed.

I agree, peaceful protesting that is blunt yes, but to the point to show the opposite of what others are doing in the extreme name of 'religion' is what is needed...well put pappy...
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 18, 2014, 02:24:22 AM
Actually the moderates do say more. A Google search should give you a few pertinent links.

What moderates type on the internet in English is largely irrelevant.

Massive demonstrations in the street and follow up political action is what's needed.

Such as this one (http://www.voanews.com/content/french-muslims-protests-militant-islam-/2463985.html)? Or this (http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/144759/thousands-of-german-muslims-protest-against-terrorism) or maybe this (http://www.euronews.com/2014/09/17/muslims-set-to-protest-over-islamic-state-fear-mongering/)?

The fact is that nothing they do will change your mind. Isn't that right, Scrap? Don't you think it's more honest to simply admit that?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on October 18, 2014, 11:12:37 AM
Such as this one (http://www.voanews.com/content/french-muslims-protests-militant-islam-/2463985.html)?

A few hundred out of 5 million Fench muslims.   :wanker:

Quote
Or this (http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/144759/thousands-of-german-muslims-protest-against-terrorism)

That's a good start, unfortunately it's still in Europe and mostly being done by Turks who are members of NATO and have much closer ties to Europe.

Quote
or maybe this (http://www.euronews.com/2014/09/17/muslims-set-to-protest-over-islamic-state-fear-mongering/)?

That's talking about the same event.

Quote
The fact is that nothing they do will change your mind. Isn't that right, Scrap? Don't you think it's more honest to simply admit that?

No, that's how you roll.

If you want to impress me, show me demonstrations by 10's of thousands of Arabs in Saudi Arabia (or some other country where this Wahhabist crap comes from) denouncing Jihadists and the government responding with action.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Parts on October 18, 2014, 03:16:53 PM
Most of the Muslims I have met going all the way back to when I was in college were pretty much just like everyone else.  A couple were very religious but not like the loons you see on TV, but most were not particularly religious.  That being said I met three who must have been some of the scariest people I have ever met   they were refugees from Somalia I was supposed to train at work  they started out kinda okay but quiet after a few days they started talking more telling me how they fought in various militias and the people they had killed all very casually like it was a good thing and no big deal :zombiefuck:  They also talked about how they wanted to change the US to be more like were they were from going on and on how bad it was here.  They also didn't like to work just bitch about having to and about how cold it was here.  Thankfully they didn't last long   
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Hannah on October 18, 2014, 04:46:10 PM
Most of the Muslims I have met going all the way back to when I was in college were pretty much just like everyone else.  A couple were very religious but not like the loons you see on TV, but most were not particularly religious.  That being said I met three who must have been some of the scariest people I have ever met   they were refugees from Somalia I was supposed to train at work  they started out kinda okay but quiet after a few days they started talking more telling me how they fought in various militias and the people they had killed all very casually like it was a good thing and no big deal :zombiefuck:  They also talked about how they wanted to change the US to be more like were they were from going on and on how bad it was here.  They also didn't like to work just bitch about having to and about how cold it was here.  Thankfully they didn't last long

Well...that sounds like human nature re: those that were complaining, go back from whence they came perhaps?  :apondering: just a thought... :yarly:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Parts on October 18, 2014, 07:24:37 PM
Most of the Muslims I have met going all the way back to when I was in college were pretty much just like everyone else.  A couple were very religious but not like the loons you see on TV, but most were not particularly religious.  That being said I met three who must have been some of the scariest people I have ever met   they were refugees from Somalia I was supposed to train at work  they started out kinda okay but quiet after a few days they started talking more telling me how they fought in various militias and the people they had killed all very casually like it was a good thing and no big deal :zombiefuck:  They also talked about how they wanted to change the US to be more like were they were from going on and on how bad it was here.  They also didn't like to work just bitch about having to and about how cold it was here.  Thankfully they didn't last long

Well...that sounds like human nature re: those that were complaining, go back from whence they came perhaps?  :apondering: just a thought... :yarly:

The complaining is normal and some of it was understandable it was their first winter outside of Africa, they had never seen in person ice on ponds yet they took a job where they would be working outside or in unheated buildings all winter :zombiefuck:  but the complaining about everything that offended them religiously was just too much as it was almost constant.   
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on October 19, 2014, 04:16:42 AM
Such as this one (http://www.voanews.com/content/french-muslims-protests-militant-islam-/2463985.html)?

A few hundred out of 5 million Fench muslims.   :wanker:

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Or this (http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/144759/thousands-of-german-muslims-protest-against-terrorism)

That's a good start, unfortunately it's still in Europe and mostly being done by Turks who are members of NATO and have much closer ties to Europe.

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or maybe this (http://www.euronews.com/2014/09/17/muslims-set-to-protest-over-islamic-state-fear-mongering/)?

That's talking about the same event.

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The fact is that nothing they do will change your mind. Isn't that right, Scrap? Don't you think it's more honest to simply admit that?

No, that's how you roll.

If you want to impress me, show me demonstrations by 10's of thousands of Arabs in Saudi Arabia (or some other country where this Wahhabist crap comes from) denouncing Jihadists and the government responding with action.

Why do you think there are so few protesters on the street against the Chinese government on Chinese soil beyond Hong Kong? Because they all approve of what the government is doing?

The fact is that nothing I say will matter to you. You made up your bigoted mind long before you joined this place. It's why you wanted to Lit to comment on your Sweden video rather than others. You can only actually handle the people that agree with you.

:wanker:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: benjimanbreeg on October 19, 2014, 04:54:21 PM
Most of the Muslims I have met going all the way back to when I was in college were pretty much just like everyone else.  A couple were very religious but not like the loons you see on TV, but most were not particularly religious.  That being said I met three who must have been some of the scariest people I have ever met   they were refugees from Somalia I was supposed to train at work  they started out kinda okay but quiet after a few days they started talking more telling me how they fought in various militias and the people they had killed all very casually like it was a good thing and no big deal :zombiefuck:  They also talked about how they wanted to change the US to be more like were they were from going on and on how bad it was here.  They also didn't like to work just bitch about having to and about how cold it was here.  Thankfully they didn't last long

 :apondering:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on November 16, 2017, 04:45:11 PM
The fact is that nothing I say will matter to you. You made up your bigoted mind long before you joined this place. It's why you wanted to Lit to comment on your Sweden video rather than others. You can only actually handle the people that agree with you.

So much projection here....
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 17, 2017, 12:48:59 AM
Necrobumping for drama again, Scrap? Fucking wanker.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 21, 2017, 04:21:40 PM
There can be no discrimination because of race, color, creed, national origin, religious or political belief.

This is from the 10 guiding principles of this board.  Found here (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,39.0.html).
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on November 21, 2017, 04:42:23 PM
I'd be inclined to make an exception for those who act as murderous psychopathic fucks, slavers, mysogynistic , childkilling, koran-kissing desert-niggers that indulge in mass murder for the BLATANTLY hypocritical hope of 70 sodding virgins, and who worship a so-called 'prophet' who shagged little kids (yes, he did. Aisha was the name of the 'wife' muhammid forced himself on at IIRC nine years fucking old; the dirty fucking paedo piece of shit)

Islam from the start has been spread by butchery, slaving and the sword. It is not a religion compatible with peace and humane treatment of others, rather it is an evil creed which belongs back in the stone age from whence it festered forth. We would all be better off without islam blighting the face of our planet.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Gopher Gary on November 21, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
There can be no discrimination because of race, color, creed, national origin, religious or political belief.

This is from the 10 guiding principles of this board.  Found here (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,39.0.html).

McJagger's a dirty idealist.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Jack on November 21, 2017, 07:58:05 PM
There can be no discrimination because of race, color, creed, national origin, religious or political belief.

This is from the 10 guiding principles of this board.  Found here (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,39.0.html).
Wondering if that was before the mission statement was put up, or if it means not discriminating against who can be a member here. McJagger doesn't live here anymore, so can't ask him his intent.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 22, 2017, 03:13:37 AM
I'd be inclined to make an exception for those who act as murderous psychopathic fucks, slavers, mysogynistic , childkilling, bible-kissing white-supremacists that indulge in mass murder for the BLATANTLY hypocritical hope of eternal salvation, and who worship a so-called 'christ' who's forebears shagged their sisters (yes, they did. Noah and his kids were the only people left after the flood.  Do you think they used Tinder to get mates?)

Christianity from the start has been spread by butchery, slaving and the sword (recently too.  Google "Srebrenica".  Or read up on historic cotton production).. It is not a religion compatible with peace and humane treatment of others, rather it is an evil creed which belongs back in the stone age from whence it festered forth. We would all be better off without Christianity blighting the face of our planet.

Wise words, man.  Wise words.

The Aisha thing?   Most modern scholars put Aisha's age at marriage at 13, possibly later.  And consumation at 15/16, possibly as high as 19.  That's older than allowable in some US states today.  But, you know.   Whatever right?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 22, 2017, 03:23:02 AM
There can be no discrimination because of race, color, creed, national origin, religious or political belief.

This is from the 10 guiding principles of this board.  Found here (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,39.0.html).
Wondering if that was before the mission statement was put up, or if it means not discriminating against who can be a member here. McJagger doesn't live here anymore, so can't ask him his intent.

Oh yeah.  I get it.  It's only classed as racism and discrimination if it actually occurs against "you".  If it's against someone else you can't complain about it.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 22, 2017, 03:23:11 AM
I'd be inclined to make an exception for those who act as murderous psychopathic fucks, slavers, mysogynistic , childkilling, bible-kissing white-supremacists that indulge in mass murder for the BLATANTLY hypocritical hope of eternal salvation, and who worship a so-called 'christ' who's forebears shagged their sisters (yes, they did. Noah and his kids were the only people left after the flood.  Do you think they used Tinder to get mates?)

Christianity from the start has been spread by butchery, slaving and the sword (recently too.  Google "Srebrenica".  Or read up on historic cotton production).. It is not a religion compatible with peace and humane treatment of others, rather it is an evil creed which belongs back in the stone age from whence it festered forth. We would all be better off without Christianity blighting the face of our planet.

Wise words, man.  Wise words.

The Aisha thing?   Most modern scholars put Aisha's age at marriage at 13, possibly later.  And consumation at 15/16, possibly as high as 19.  That's older than allowable in some US states today.  But, you know.   Whatever right?

Facts right?

http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

“It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.”

“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.” [3]


[3]. Bukhari, Book of Qualities of the Ansar, chapter: ‘The Holy Prophet’s marriage with Aisha, and his coming to Madina and the consummation of marriage with her’. For Muhsin Khan’s translation, see this link and go down to reports listed as Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 and 236.

.....That's older than allowable in some US states today.  But, you know.   Whatever right?

What is an apologist?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Jack on November 22, 2017, 06:20:18 AM
There can be no discrimination because of race, color, creed, national origin, religious or political belief.

This is from the 10 guiding principles of this board.  Found here (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,39.0.html).
Wondering if that was before the mission statement was put up, or if it means not discriminating against who can be a member here. McJagger doesn't live here anymore, so can't ask him his intent.

Oh yeah.  I get it.  It's only classed as racism and discrimination if it actually occurs against "you".  If it's against someone else you can't complain about it.
Where did that come from? Is that what I said? I must be a real jerk. Either that or you're one for putting that in my mouth. As for what actually occurs against me, racism can be covert and I used to struggle a lot with possibly imagining it occurring in instances when it might not really be. If someone is a bigot, would personally rather them blatant so I can be certain about it and say something, rather than not saying anything or guessing and possibly accusing them of crap they didn't say.

Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 22, 2017, 06:53:48 AM
There can be no discrimination because of race, color, creed, national origin, religious or political belief.

This is from the 10 guiding principles of this board.  Found here (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,39.0.html).
Wondering if that was before the mission statement was put up, or if it means not discriminating against who can be a member here. McJagger doesn't live here anymore, so can't ask him his intent.

Oh yeah.  I get it.  It's only classed as racism and discrimination if it actually occurs against "you".  If it's against someone else you can't complain about it.
Where did that come from? Is that what I said? I must be a real jerk. Either that or you're one for putting that in my mouth. As for what actually occurs against me, racism can be covert and I used to struggle a lot with possibly imagining it occurring in instances when it might not really be. If someone is a bigot, would personally rather them blatant so I can be certain about it and say something, rather than not saying anything or guessing and possibly accusing them of crap they didn't say.

He called me a racist too. The Progressive position is to call anyone they disagree with a bigot of some stripe. It is a fun trick. It dehumanises and devalues the person, and invalidates whatever point they were opposing as morally wrong, and whilst not actually needing to counter any opposing views. All whilst maintaining an air of moral superiority.

Unlike you though I am special and have been patronaged by FourAce to argue some of my positions. Lord knows why? He really sucks at it and he obviously thinks I am a bigot too.

For what it is worth I do not think you a bigot nor have I seen you say anything approaching bigotry.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 22, 2017, 09:52:55 AM
He called me a racist too. The Progressive position is to call anyone they disagree with a bigot of some stripe. It is a fun trick. It dehumanises and devalues the person, and invalidates whatever point they were opposing as morally wrong, and whilst not actually needing to counter any opposing views. All whilst maintaining an air of moral superiority.

Unlike you though I am special and have been patronaged by FourAce to argue some of my positions. Lord knows why? He really sucks at it and he obviously thinks I am a bigot too.

For what it is worth I do not think you a bigot nor have I seen you say anything approaching bigotry.

Wow.  It' a bit early in the discussion for you to play the victim card, isn't it?  Have you forgotten all the times you follow on from all my posts with insults when you weren't even on my radar?

Did I hurt the little trolls feelings? 
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 22, 2017, 12:50:39 PM
There can be no discrimination because of race, color, creed, national origin, religious or political belief.

This is from the 10 guiding principles of this board.  Found here (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,39.0.html).
Wondering if that was before the mission statement was put up, or if it means not discriminating against who can be a member here. McJagger doesn't live here anymore, so can't ask him his intent.

Thinking it was about the spazzes who post here.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 22, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
I'd be inclined to make an exception for those who act as murderous psychopathic fucks, slavers, mysogynistic , childkilling, bible-kissing white-supremacists that indulge in mass murder for the BLATANTLY hypocritical hope of eternal salvation, and who worship a so-called 'christ' who's forebears shagged their sisters (yes, they did. Noah and his kids were the only people left after the flood.  Do you think they used Tinder to get mates?)

Christianity from the start has been spread by butchery, slaving and the sword (recently too.  Google "Srebrenica".  Or read up on historic cotton production).. It is not a religion compatible with peace and humane treatment of others, rather it is an evil creed which belongs back in the stone age from whence it festered forth. We would all be better off without Christianity blighting the face of our planet.

Wise words, man.  Wise words.

The Aisha thing?   Most modern scholars put Aisha's age at marriage at 13, possibly later.  And consumation at 15/16, possibly as high as 19.  That's older than allowable in some US states today.  But, you know.   Whatever right?

Facts right?

http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

“It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.”

“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.” [3]


[3]. Bukhari, Book of Qualities of the Ansar, chapter: ‘The Holy Prophet’s marriage with Aisha, and his coming to Madina and the consummation of marriage with her’. For Muhsin Khan’s translation, see this link and go down to reports listed as Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 and 236.

.....That's older than allowable in some US states today.  But, you know.   Whatever right?

What is an apologist?

http://www.discoveringislam.org/aisha_age.htm
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 22, 2017, 01:09:27 PM
But why limit this to Islam? http://www.nairaland.com/450419/age-marriage-medieval-times-paedophilia
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 22, 2017, 01:56:03 PM
He's just demanded that we take a part of the Kuran as the literal truth in an effort to discredit the Kuran.  Words yet again fail me at his attempt at logical argument.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Jack on November 22, 2017, 02:33:31 PM
But why limit this to Islam? http://www.nairaland.com/450419/age-marriage-medieval-times-paedophilia
While consent ages were low, it seems to be a misconception that such young marriages were commonplace. Young marriages were more likely to occur for women of high social status, but even then it wasn't the norm. The average age of first marriage for women in the US during the early 1700s was 19-22, and that hasn't changed much since then.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 22, 2017, 02:39:24 PM
I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today.  But then again, I'm not a racist so I'm not likely to understand.

Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 22, 2017, 03:07:04 PM
I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today.  But then again, I'm not a racist so I'm not likely to understand.

There we go, like clockwork:

"I made a big claim about a girl getting married as a child and then having sex with her middle-aged husband before she hit puberty as wrong and how silly others were to believe this but then when someone pointed out that it was correct I shrink from this and call them racist to make myself look morally superior and thus discredit the factual underpinnings of what they said"

I get it.

The fact is I make NO argument in this about Islam at all (notwithstanding that Islam is not a race - ie is a Turkish Muslim the same race as a Filipino Muslim and the same race as a Muslim from Gambia and the same race as a Muslim from Iran?) I DO make an argument about whether you are trying to do som e history revisionism in this case and for whatever reasons of your own to green light the marrying of  little girl and then having sex with her at 9.

Me? I think it is wrong no matter where it happens. I do not much care the culture or whether it was "in". In exactly the same way I do not think that brothers and sisters or close relative marrying and having sex with each other is cool. You may also with that say "It happened every or well the royal families practiced it a bit". Yes! It was bad then and bad now and every time it happened.

Was pedophilia okay if it happened a lot in Europe too? No. Was it better in Europe than in Middle Eastern countries? No. It history something to take into account? Not really.

Yet you call al of this racist. OKay if that is the definition of racist I earn it. You have earned the title of an apologist. We can both live with our titles and how we earned them, huh?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 22, 2017, 04:36:52 PM
But why limit this to Islam? http://www.nairaland.com/450419/age-marriage-medieval-times-paedophilia
While consent ages were low, it seems to be a misconception that such young marriages were commonplace. Young marriages were more likely to occur for women of high social status, but even then it wasn't the norm. The average age of first marriage for women in the US during the early 1700s was 19-22, and that hasn't changed much since then.

Early 1700s was much later. This was way before there was a US.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 22, 2017, 04:40:31 PM
Al's right about one thing. It's not racism.

It's bigotry. Completely different.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 22, 2017, 04:44:35 PM
I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today.  But then again, I'm not a racist so I'm not likely to understand.

There we go, like clockwork:

"I made a big claim about a girl getting married as a child and then having sex with her middle-aged husband before she hit puberty as wrong and how silly others were to believe this but then when someone pointed out that it was correct I shrink from this and call them racist to make myself look morally superior and thus discredit the factual underpinnings of what they said"

I get it.

The fact is I make NO argument in this about Islam at all (notwithstanding that Islam is not a race - ie is a Turkish Muslim the same race as a Filipino Muslim and the same race as a Muslim from Gambia and the same race as a Muslim from Iran?) I DO make an argument about whether you are trying to do som e history revisionism in this case and for whatever reasons of your own to green light the marrying of  little girl and then having sex with her at 9.

Me? I think it is wrong no matter where it happens. I do not much care the culture or whether it was "in". In exactly the same way I do not think that brothers and sisters or close relative marrying and having sex with each other is cool. You may also with that say "It happened every or well the royal families practiced it a bit". Yes! It was bad then and bad now and every time it happened.

Was pedophilia okay if it happened a lot in Europe too? No. Was it better in Europe than in Middle Eastern countries? No. It history something to take into account? Not really.

Yet you call al of this racist. OKay if that is the definition of racist I earn it. You have earned the title of an apologist. We can both live with our titles and how we earned them, huh?

Al.  You completely failed to get the point of my rather short post. 

I'll try again.

"I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today."

Do you see how I used the quotes there?

At no time did I say it was OK.  I said "I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today."

None of the words are particularly long so I'm not sure how you managed to read some other meaning into it.

But as I'said before, I'm not a racist so I sometimes don't quite follow the logic of racists.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Jack on November 22, 2017, 04:53:13 PM
But why limit this to Islam? http://www.nairaland.com/450419/age-marriage-medieval-times-paedophilia
While consent ages were low, it seems to be a misconception that such young marriages were commonplace. Young marriages were more likely to occur for women of high social status, but even then it wasn't the norm. The average age of first marriage for women in the US during the early 1700s was 19-22, and that hasn't changed much since then.

Early 1700s was much later. This was way before there was a US.
Good point, but was it really that common? Not really liking this source. The source provided for the middle ages is specifically about noble women, there's no source for the claims about the 12 being commonplace before 1200, and the 1600s section only discusses ages of consent.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on November 22, 2017, 07:23:37 PM
If the 'limiting yourself' comment was aimed at me, I'll thank you not to imply that I would support medieval white europeans forcing little kids to marry them, or fucking children. I don't approve of children being sexually exploited full stop.

And there is no way in HELL that muhammid wasn't in an exploitative 'relationship'. I should know, I have been in a relationship with a girl a lot younger than myself once, so the nusances are something I'm  not in the dark about. One of my two ex fiancees, and the girl I should , as we were going to, have married.

When not talking about paedophilia, such as pighammid forcing a 'betrothal' on a six (or nine, either way it doesn't fucking matter, either makes him a dirty nonce), but about (modern and bilaterally voluntary) relationships between older and younger partners, the key is PARTNER. I might, eventually have gotten a chance to say 'no', (for her age, I must confess, she was somewhat of a predatory bugger , and VERY 'forward' for an autie, like nothing else I've ever seen in anybody, ever, on or off the spectrum. She didn't ask me, she just walked on over and then went ahead and did as she felt like) and when we first met I didn't even get to SPEAK at first, before I found her tongue forced down my throat. Ok, I admit, I didn't fight back too hard, as my fiancee had me captivated, one of those instantly knowing a person is your soulmate situations.


Pighammid on the other hand...he was MUCH much older than a SMALL CHILD, whatever aisha's precise age, she herself says she was very young!, and she a child, whilst he, was a powerful barbarian warlord. That is not an exchange of tenderness, support and love, and each making an effort for the balance of power to be, and to remain as precisely bilateral as we could contrive together for it to be. Just think to yourself and ask 'what would have happened had  that little preteen child aisha decided to say 'no, pighammid, I don't want you, I don't want anything to do with you and screw 'marriage', fuck off and die', and been unswerving in her desire not to have any form of interaction with this incalculably more powerful, commanding and well-able to back his demands with force dirty old paedophile 'man', muhammid, PBUH (porcine-faeces be upon him)

If he decided, as he obviously did, that he was going to take (and in the sense of 'take' here I mean as in the sense of 'taking' signified in the latin word 'raptus', cognate with 'raptor', 'rapture' and yes, 'rape') aisha, and the latter wanted the dirty disgusting smelly old warlord (Pork scratchings  Be Up Him) to piss off and go find some other toddler to molest instead, just how much power would this small child have to effect that, taking into account the typical mysogynistic attitude in islam, and the way that the desires of women, adult females included are simply shit all over and viewed as worth less than dirt.

Little child.

Powerful and influential (and much older, filthy old pervert) barbarian warlord in command of an army and fanatical followers.

See a little imbalance of power here, maybe just a teeny tiny bit? if that kid had said no, it probably would never even have gotten out into the history books, because history, as history itself tells us so many times over, is written by the victors. He'd have (and IMO probably did) just take what he wanted, he did in pretty much every other respect, I don't see why shagging little children would be any different to the dirty bastard, Pour Bacon Upon Him.

Face it, the guy was a paedophile , and a dirty, disgusting old groper that ought to have been tied to a stake and publicly whipped until his nasty, child molesting little pencil dick was torn to little bloody shreds of meat, hanging off his flensed pelvis. And preferably set on fire, to give him some advance taste of what hell is like before he got there.

Middle ages? do I somehow have, for some reason to 'approve of' child rape in those days by the english  and europeans, just because I decry pighammid's paedophilia? no, do I fuck. And that is not something I need to defend. I don't like nonces, no matter who, when or where they are.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 23, 2017, 04:09:59 AM
He called me a racist too. The Progressive position is to call anyone they disagree with a bigot of some stripe. It is a fun trick. It dehumanises and devalues the person, and invalidates whatever point they were opposing as morally wrong, and whilst not actually needing to counter any opposing views. All whilst maintaining an air of moral superiority.

Unlike you though I am special and have been patronaged by FourAce to argue some of my positions. Lord knows why? He really sucks at it and he obviously thinks I am a bigot too.

For what it is worth I do not think you a bigot nor have I seen you say anything approaching bigotry.

Wow.  It' a bit early in the discussion for you to play the victim card, isn't it?  Have you forgotten all the times you follow on from all my posts with insults when you weren't even on my radar?

Did I hurt the little trolls feelings?

Hell no, pointing out a pattern, you are right in I have them too. But this is yours and it is transparent, ideological and dishonest.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 23, 2017, 04:15:18 AM
I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today.  But then again, I'm not a racist so I'm not likely to understand.

There we go, like clockwork:

"I made a big claim about a girl getting married as a child and then having sex with her middle-aged husband before she hit puberty as wrong and how silly others were to believe this but then when someone pointed out that it was correct I shrink from this and call them racist to make myself look morally superior and thus discredit the factual underpinnings of what they said"

I get it.

The fact is I make NO argument in this about Islam at all (notwithstanding that Islam is not a race - ie is a Turkish Muslim the same race as a Filipino Muslim and the same race as a Muslim from Gambia and the same race as a Muslim from Iran?) I DO make an argument about whether you are trying to do som e history revisionism in this case and for whatever reasons of your own to green light the marrying of  little girl and then having sex with her at 9.

Me? I think it is wrong no matter where it happens. I do not much care the culture or whether it was "in". In exactly the same way I do not think that brothers and sisters or close relative marrying and having sex with each other is cool. You may also with that say "It happened every or well the royal families practiced it a bit". Yes! It was bad then and bad now and every time it happened.

Was pedophilia okay if it happened a lot in Europe too? No. Was it better in Europe than in Middle Eastern countries? No. It history something to take into account? Not really.

Yet you call al of this racist. OKay if that is the definition of racist I earn it. You have earned the title of an apologist. We can both live with our titles and how we earned them, huh?

Al.  You completely failed to get the point of my rather short post. 

I'll try again.

"I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today."

Do you see how I used the quotes there?

At no time did I say it was OK.  I said "I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today."

None of the words are particularly long so I'm not sure how you managed to read some other meaning into it.

But as I'said before, I'm not a racist so I sometimes don't quite follow the logic of racists.

I made no mention of a billion men I made mention of the age of Aisha and how having sex with children is wrong. You threw the term racist around and now for some reason you are extrapolating a billion men and trying to connect a pedophile's actions to those of a billion.

The only person who is making that giant leap that I see is.......YOU. Why are you doing that?

Who are these billion men and why are they like this pedophile and why do they share his shameful actions?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Gopher Gary on November 23, 2017, 08:03:41 AM
I'd be inclined to make an exception for those who act as murderous psychopathic fucks, slavers, mysogynistic , childkilling, bible-kissing white-supremacists that indulge in mass murder for the BLATANTLY hypocritical hope of eternal salvation, and who worship a so-called 'christ' who's forebears shagged their sisters (yes, they did. Noah and his kids were the only people left after the flood.  Do you think they used Tinder to get mates?)

Christianity from the start has been spread by butchery, slaving and the sword (recently too.  Google "Srebrenica".  Or read up on historic cotton production).. It is not a religion compatible with peace and humane treatment of others, rather it is an evil creed which belongs back in the stone age from whence it festered forth. We would all be better off without Christianity blighting the face of our planet.

Wise words, man.  Wise words.

The Aisha thing?   Most modern scholars put Aisha's age at marriage at 13, possibly later.  And consumation at 15/16, possibly as high as 19.  That's older than allowable in some US states today.  But, you know.   Whatever right?

Quit misquoting Lestat.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on November 23, 2017, 11:08:36 AM
Necrobumping for drama again, Scrap? Fucking wanker.

No, just to bring up the inconsistencies, hypocrisies and projections of an authoritarian mind.   :hahaha:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on November 23, 2017, 11:18:21 AM
I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today.

It's relevant because they're still stuck in those same cultural and moral values from the beginning of the iron age.

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But then again, I'm not a racist so I'm not likely to understand.

Actually you are. You're engaged in the soft racism of low expectations.

In the gun thread, you expect white people (Americans), to modernize (to European expectations) and stick to your progressive values but those poor, discriminated against, sand niggers are just too dumb to figure out that fucking children is bad.

Quite the double standard.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on November 23, 2017, 12:06:54 PM
IMO those who stay silent and do not decry the actions of a known paedophile for the evil they are, share some of the guilt of the paedophile by association and condoning their evil deeds.

Granted in this specific instance the paedophile committed his atrocities many centuries ago, but at the very least, his being a paedophile pretty much ought to firmly and permanently proclaim 'this dirty bastard should NOT be worshipped as the closest thing behind their barbarian version of a deity', his 'messenger' or not, the fact is the bastard was still a child molester who would these days have bits
chopped off him in many arab countries had he done these things last week or month or year or  decade.

Knowingly elevating a paedophile to the position of worshipped figure and worse, far worse, ROLE MODEL cannot be a good thing, for it gives a lot of cause for some of those who share in the worship  of the nonce and who take It as a role model to try to condone heinous acts of child abuse of their own by saying something to the effect of 'well pighammid did it, piss be upon him'

Islam just fundamentally is a primitive and barbarous creed, and a poisonous one. Christ, having a holy book that gives directions on how to beat your wife? starring role for a kiddy fiddling throat slitting, morally repugnant warlord and general thug? not what we want represented by legions of followers, and a dangerously large number of outright murderous fanatics.

Just look at what ISIS did, even resorting to destroying ancient monuments and archaeological treasures which are irreplaceable in the name of purging the 'unclean', something they'd all love to see done to us also, if they had their way.


As for that noah misquote-its obviously not literal truth. Were two people and only two saved there simply would not be enough genetic material available to reboot the human or animal populations. Inbreeding would rapidly have left the offspring infertile, and within a handful of generations, as deformed, crippled tragedies with half-integer IQs, or else god himself would have had to wave his magic wand and convert all species to capability of reproduction via parthogenesis or binary fission, leaving us all as something probably far more squishy, boneless and polypoid than mobile and of primate heritage. Last time I looked, I wasn't a starfish-person and neither were the rest of my species, even the neurotypicals are still primates, sort of. (I'm being pretty facetious here, rather than in seriousness)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 23, 2017, 12:45:22 PM
But why limit this to Islam? http://www.nairaland.com/450419/age-marriage-medieval-times-paedophilia
While consent ages were low, it seems to be a misconception that such young marriages were commonplace. Young marriages were more likely to occur for women of high social status, but even then it wasn't the norm. The average age of first marriage for women in the US during the early 1700s was 19-22, and that hasn't changed much since then.

Early 1700s was much later. This was way before there was a US.
Good point, but was it really that common? Not really liking this source. The source provided for the middle ages is specifically about noble women, there's no source for the claims about the 12 being commonplace before 1200, and the 1600s section only discusses ages of consent.

It was just an example, the result of a quick google search. My point is that marriages at a sometimes very young age was in no way unique to Mohammed or his time period but yet Muslims today are the only ones being judged by something that took place a thousand years ago.

Similarly hateful arguments could easily be constructed around Christians by leafing through the Bible: they are obviously all homophobic and vengeful misogynists.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 23, 2017, 12:47:42 PM
I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today.

It's relevant because they're still stuck in those same cultural and moral values from the beginning of the iron age.

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But then again, I'm not a racist so I'm not likely to understand.

Actually you are. You're engaged in the soft racism of low expectations.

In the gun thread, you expect white people (Americans), to modernize (to European expectations) and stick to your progressive values but those poor, discriminated against, sand niggers are just too dumb to figure out that fucking children is bad.

Quite the double standard.

-1
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 23, 2017, 01:46:57 PM
I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today.

It's relevant because they're still stuck in those same cultural and moral values from the beginning of the iron age.

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But then again, I'm not a racist so I'm not likely to understand.

Actually you are. You're engaged in the soft racism of low expectations.

In the gun thread, you expect white people (Americans), to modernize (to European expectations) and stick to your progressive values but those poor, discriminated against, sand niggers are just too dumb to figure out that fucking children is bad.

Quite the double standard.

So by the same standards you are to be judged by things the Christian world has done over he last 1500 years, or anything done by a white person?  Does it work both ways?  If not then you've just defined the word hypocrisy.  (It means holding others to different standards than yourself.)

Bonus points for the Trumpist moral relativism though.  It doesn't really work in arguments with adults but well done you.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on November 23, 2017, 02:38:00 PM
I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today.

It's relevant because they're still stuck in those same cultural and moral values from the beginning of the iron age.

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But then again, I'm not a racist so I'm not likely to understand.

Actually you are. You're engaged in the soft racism of low expectations.

In the gun thread, you expect white people (Americans), to modernize (to European expectations) and stick to your progressive values but those poor, discriminated against, sand niggers are just too dumb to figure out that fucking children is bad.

Quite the double standard.

So by the same standards you are to be judged by things the Christian world has done over he last 1500 years, or anything done by a white person?  Does it work both ways?  If not then you've just defined the word hypocrisy.  (It means holding others to different standards than yourself.)

Bonus points for the Trumpist moral relativism though.  It doesn't really work in arguments with adults but well done you.

D- for lack of reading comprehension.

I'm not talking about things that have been done in the past, my whole point was that although Christianity and Islam have done bad things and have had poor moral values, the western world has managed to grow up while the Islamic world remains stagnant.

Or are you just trying to be obtuse on purpose??
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 23, 2017, 02:51:21 PM
I can't see the mileage gained from using something that may or may not have happened over a thousand years ago to make moral judgement on a billion men, women and children alive today.

It's relevant because they're still stuck in those same cultural and moral values from the beginning of the iron age.

Quote
But then again, I'm not a racist so I'm not likely to understand.

Actually you are. You're engaged in the soft racism of low expectations.

In the gun thread, you expect white people (Americans), to modernize (to European expectations) and stick to your progressive values but those poor, discriminated against, sand niggers are just too dumb to figure out that fucking children is bad.

Quite the double standard.

So by the same standards you are to be judged by things the Christian world has done over he last 1500 years, or anything done by a white person?  Does it work both ways?  If not then you've just defined the word hypocrisy.  (It means holding others to different standards than yourself.)

Bonus points for the Trumpist moral relativism though.  It doesn't really work in arguments with adults but well done you.

D- for lack of reading comprehension.

I'm not talking about things that have been done in the past, my whole point was that although Christianity and Islam have done bad things and have had poor moral values, the western world has managed to grow up while the Islamic world remains stagnant.

Or are you just trying to be obtuse on purpose??

I won't argue that there are strands of Islam that need dragging into the 21st century, but I do not judge a whole section of society by historic values or by the acts of a few.

And how far have we grown up?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 23, 2017, 03:06:01 PM
Which strands and what is the size of these strands? Strands makes it sound like very small outliers.
I honestly do not know, that may be the case. Are you talking 100's? 1000's? 10, 000's? 100 000's? 1 000 000's? More?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Pyraxis on November 24, 2017, 11:13:20 AM
Oh I don't know, a handful? Say, three million?  :autism:


*ducks back out of the thread because I really do not care about the argument, but could not resist the snark*
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on November 24, 2017, 11:44:02 AM
Oh I don't know, a handful? Say, three million?  :autism:


*ducks back out of the thread because I really do not care about the argument, but could not resist the snark*

Given that there's over a billion muslims, that's at most, .3% of the population.

So yes, it's a relative handful.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on November 27, 2017, 03:21:07 AM
Don't know about 'strands' as such, there are sunni, wahabi groups, they are all at it, the sunnis want to kill the shi'a, the shi'a want to kill the sunnis, the wahabis want to kill everybody who isn't wahabi...and the 'holy' book they all claim in one way or another to follow is a nasty piece of work to begin with. Poisonous trees do not bear wholesome fruit.

And a 'messiah' known for banging little kids? enough said. They aren't likely candidates to join this day and age any time soon since they have had 2000 years ok, I'm using the christian calendar here, rather than post anno hegirae, since I am not intimitely familiar with the islamic calendar, but they've certainly had a couple of thousand years, give or take, and they are still slaughtering people, and each other, about as civilized as a bag full of sewer rats with their tails tied together.

Are they going to change? the christian world did, under pressure, even in a fairly primitive setting, we haven't  had an inquisition for centuries, and its incredibly unlikely we ever will again, yet the islamic world is at it NOW, and remember, we have to catch the terrorist each and every time, to prevent an atrocity, THEY only have to get it right once. So even with, at any one point in time, their having fewer numbers than those they wish to panic and attack, they don't NEED so many. Sooner or later a group slips the net, or a lone wolf cleanskin suddenly decides to go active. The latter being especially dangerous and difficult to catch, those with no history and operating alone, still able to cause mass casualties.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 27, 2017, 05:11:55 AM
I do think that there is a very real threat and it is specifically in the Muslim community. It is in the hearts of extremists that use the religious principles of Islam in the worst ways and absolutely selectively to justify their abhorrence. I think to try and extricate that from Islam or from Muslim communities is near on impossible and dangerous.

However, I do not think that ALL Muslims support these people nor even most Muslim people.

I do not think the risk of offence is nearly as dangerous as not acting on things for risk of offending.

Being Muslim does not make you bad. Any more than being Christian makes you bad. Bad people will be bad and do bad things. The Muslim extremists are bad people and they are doing bad things and with religious ideological backing (no maybe not mainstream Muslim teaching but certainly not outlier religious doctrine - Wahabbism, for example, is not a fringe Islamic cult or a discredited doctrine.

I believe in the same way that being a Hippie or a Nazi or other such once alluring and pervasive and persuasive groups can become something to mock and deride, so must the ISIS and radicalised Muslim extremists become. It has to become something so toxic to anyone even considering the idea of it as meritless. In this, any or all opposition to demonise, deride, eradicate or purge it is good for everyone.

None of my Muslims mates are fans of these sorts of people and are embarrassed and equally as disgusted by the actions of the Muslim extremists. I think were the influence and force and conviction of these fanatics to die (with as many of them as possible) then this would be good for the Muslim community as a whole too. 
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on November 27, 2017, 11:13:54 AM
One can scarcely compare hippies to ISIS and other muslims.

And you are all too right, in that refusing to act just because you might offend some fraction of any given group who are just oversensitive fucking snowflakes, a government denying the citizens that government exists to serve (a fact most govts. seem to have totally forgotten; that governments exist to serve the people and that the people do not exist to serve the government) the protection and security that intelligence services etc. are required to take down these fanatic shitsniffers is completely and utterly wrong.

And furthermore, when governments start offering libations of jizm atop the altar of political correctness, that places a potent weapon right into the hands of the extremist fuckups-when govts get too pussywhipped to man up and act against the psychotic wankers for fear of offending the snowflake fuckmuppet portion of the group,  the psychos get a green card to pose as special snowflake pussies in order to deter action against them, and you get the type that is hellbent on slaughtering the infidel going 'waaahhhh they drew a picture of mohammid, make them shut up and disband and stop opposing us evil pig-hating paedophile worshipping barbarian bags of filth'

PC  makes the job of the evildoer much, much easier, by making those on the side of right too fearful to act against them by playing the fucking pussy ass snowflake bitch card.

And in any case, the ACTUAL snowflakes, they shouldn't be getting any such special treatment in the first place. Best and only policy is to tell them all to go get buggered and stop being such whiny, prissy little tosspots. Offended when other people want to eat pork chops, draw muhammid or wake up to a bacon sandwich for breakfast? too fucking bad. Don't want to draw muhammid? fine. Don't want to eat pig-parts? all well and good for you, don't draw muhammid and don't eat pork then. But don't fucking well start whining like a little fucking oversensitive bitch when people who do want to do such things and who do not adhere to your creed do so.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 27, 2017, 12:20:27 PM
Bigots will be bigots.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Jack on November 27, 2017, 07:20:53 PM
But why limit this to Islam? http://www.nairaland.com/450419/age-marriage-medieval-times-paedophilia
While consent ages were low, it seems to be a misconception that such young marriages were commonplace. Young marriages were more likely to occur for women of high social status, but even then it wasn't the norm. The average age of first marriage for women in the US during the early 1700s was 19-22, and that hasn't changed much since then.

Early 1700s was much later. This was way before there was a US.
Good point, but was it really that common? Not really liking this source. The source provided for the middle ages is specifically about noble women, there's no source for the claims about the 12 being commonplace before 1200, and the 1600s section only discusses ages of consent.

It was just an example, the result of a quick google search. My point is that marriages at a sometimes very young age was in no way unique to Mohammed or his time period but yet Muslims today are the only ones being judged by something that took place a thousand years ago.

Similarly hateful arguments could easily be constructed around Christians by leafing through the Bible: they are obviously all homophobic and vengeful misogynists.
Correct, it's an easy jab. Was just thrown off by the article saying it was ever a common thing.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on November 27, 2017, 09:13:40 PM
Regardless of the law, there is right, and there is wrong. What is legal or illegal and what is the righteous way to conduct oneself, and to treat another. I'm sure, that at some point in time since the very first clan of, from a definitive biological, evolutionary point of view, were genetically distinct enough to have speciated fully from apes and the rest of the genus Homo, to be bona-fide H.sapiens, who had no law against taking a one-year old child, and raping the child by brute force.

This is in extremis, to make a point, but what is codified in law does not necessarily equal what is right and what is wrong. The nazis made a lot of laws, and a lot of those laws were pure evil, the murder of men, women and children, and the butchery of those born with disabilities, physical or mental. These things were sanctioned by the Reichsfuhrer himself, but were the laws made by that man and his allies RIGHT?

Or, on the flip side, the benign side of the coin, is sending a man to prison, because he sold another man, a bag of weed worth a twenty pound note, the seller having grown it himself from seed or other means by which he came, depriving no person of their right to their property, and having at no point comitted any violence in his undertakings, and the buyer doing no such thing either, should either be made by force to suffer against their will, deprived of any thing on this earth against their will for participating in the transaction, or use of that weed, enjoying it recreationally, socially, as a medical treatment against chemotherapy sickness and/or cancer pain, or all of the above? in many countries such people would be considered criminals, but does that make them bad people? yet the far more acutely and socially harmful alcohol, which itself can be enjoyed in moderation or occasional drunkenness, but as long as no person harms another, the consumer is not subjected to the threat of force against their person without their consent in full and in perpetuity as long as it may continue, be taken and the taker be a good person, when the act itself, the consumption, wholly remaining victimless, be equal in that it is the intake of an intoxicant for whatever reason the person or people consuming it so choose?

Lex legis sicut scriptum, nullum est legis bonum.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 28, 2017, 03:32:03 PM
Ah. The druggie bigot is making excuses.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 29, 2017, 04:33:46 AM
I really can't make any head space spare for this discussion.  It's simply not worth it.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Minister Of Silly Walks on November 29, 2017, 05:32:12 AM
Has anyone worked out yet that trying to combat violent extremism with bombs and stuff just creates more violent extremism.

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists. You can try to kill all of those extremists and you might even take out a bit chunk of them along with a huge number of non-extremists. But in the process you will stir up enough hatred that you'll likely drag a chunk of the 99.7% of Muslims in the non-extremist camp into the extremist camp, and end up in a worse situation than you were in when you started.

Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 29, 2017, 05:45:09 AM
Has anyone worked out yet that trying to combat violent extremism with bombs and stuff just creates more violent extremism.

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists. You can try to kill all of those extremists and you might even take out a bit chunk of them along with a huge number of non-extremists. But in the process you will stir up enough hatred that you'll likely drag a chunk of the 99.7% of Muslims in the non-extremist camp into the extremist camp, and end up in a worse situation than you were in when you started.

Sound familiar?

Well you can prove anything by using facts.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 29, 2017, 05:45:59 AM
Has anyone worked out yet that trying to combat violent extremism with bombs and stuff just creates more violent extremism.

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists. You can try to kill all of those extremists and you might even take out a bit chunk of them along with a huge number of non-extremists. But in the process you will stir up enough hatred that you'll likely drag a chunk of the 99.7% of Muslims in the non-extremist camp into the extremist camp, and end up in a worse situation than you were in when you started.

Sound familiar?

Oh that is terrific logic there. I have a better idea. Let's take it to the next level.

Let all Muslims go unpoliced. Seriously who wants to risk being called a bigot, why not just exempt anyone who is Muslim of any of the laws that bind a community? I think any terrorist attacks or crimes of violence ought to be waved away. I do not think attacks like the one at Nice, France or at the Ariana Grande concert or in Brussels ought to be either investigated nor the perpetrators stopped. They will surely get bored eventually from killing people. You should not hurt them as they are trying to murder citizens because otherwise other Muslims may not like it and may call you a bigot.

Minister of Funny Walks logic is funny.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 29, 2017, 05:59:47 AM

Oh that is terrific logic there. I have a better idea. Let's take it to the next level.

Let all Muslims go unpoliced. Seriously who wants to risk being called a bigot, why not just exempt anyone who is Muslim of any of the laws that bind a community? I think any terrorist attacks or crimes of violence ought to be waved away. I do not think attacks like the one at Nice, France or at the Ariana Grande concert or in Brussels ought to be either investigated nor the perpetrators stopped. They will surely get bored eventually from killing people. You should not hurt them as they are trying to murder citizens because otherwise other Muslims may not like it and may call you a bigot.

Minister of Funny Walks logic is funny.

You're getting remarkably close to the legal/illegal bomb thing again.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 29, 2017, 06:03:16 AM

Oh that is terrific logic there. I have a better idea. Let's take it to the next level.

Let all Muslims go unpoliced. Seriously who wants to risk being called a bigot, why not just exempt anyone who is Muslim of any of the laws that bind a community? I think any terrorist attacks or crimes of violence ought to be waved away. I do not think attacks like the one at Nice, France or at the Ariana Grande concert or in Brussels ought to be either investigated nor the perpetrators stopped. They will surely get bored eventually from killing people. You should not hurt them as they are trying to murder citizens because otherwise other Muslims may not like it and may call you a bigot.

Minister of Funny Walks logic is funny.

You're getting remarkably close to the legal/illegal bomb thing again.

What "thing" is that and what is your understanding of that thing?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on November 29, 2017, 05:04:49 PM
Al seems to have forgotten "The Bomb Thing".

I'll post it again for you Al, because reading it is still as funny as fuck.   



Britain has been a victim of bombings from at least IRA conflict. I remember there was a spate of them, including on a double decker bus, some years ago. I remember not long ago little kids were blown to bits in a popstar concert.

No this issue is not solved. There is not the same bombing instances or culture in UK.

We thankfully know that if we ban bombs and make them illegal there wont be any more bombings. That is what they shoyld do.

If they have done this, then we may have to reassess the notion that banning weapons that potentially causes death and/or controlling it will not prevebt bad people from doing bad things and ignoring illegaility.

Maybe preventative measures and better mental health services and such is better than banning weapons from decent people who would not abuse them and bad people who will any way?

Of course it may be reasonable to do a bit of  both but I wonder whether goung to "ban them ban them" as people have a wont to do, is the reasonable course of action
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Minister Of Silly Walks on November 29, 2017, 06:56:49 PM
Has anyone worked out yet that trying to combat violent extremism with bombs and stuff just creates more violent extremism.

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists. You can try to kill all of those extremists and you might even take out a bit chunk of them along with a huge number of non-extremists. But in the process you will stir up enough hatred that you'll likely drag a chunk of the 99.7% of Muslims in the non-extremist camp into the extremist camp, and end up in a worse situation than you were in when you started.

Sound familiar?

Oh that is terrific logic there. I have a better idea. Let's take it to the next level.

Let all Muslims go unpoliced. Seriously who wants to risk being called a bigot, why not just exempt anyone who is Muslim of any of the laws that bind a community? I think any terrorist attacks or crimes of violence ought to be waved away. I do not think attacks like the one at Nice, France or at the Ariana Grande concert or in Brussels ought to be either investigated nor the perpetrators stopped. They will surely get bored eventually from killing people. You should not hurt them as they are trying to murder citizens because otherwise other Muslims may not like it and may call you a bigot.

Minister of Funny Walks logic is funny.

Nice straw man there. That's almost a next-level straw man. Impressive.

Here's how you take it to the next level. Figure out what feeds extremism, and what starves extremism. Use that as the starting point for your next course of action.

In the next lesson I may be gracious enough to expand upon that. Or I might just try to counter your lack of argument by imagining some ridiculous extrapolation of your comments. At this stage I am undecided. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on November 29, 2017, 09:52:43 PM
Quite, which is why I'm going to suggest everybody abandon hope of odeon's rehabilitation. Really, it's his own suggestion, to quote 'bigots will be bigots', after all.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on November 30, 2017, 05:55:08 AM
Has anyone worked out yet that trying to combat violent extremism with bombs and stuff just creates more violent extremism.

Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists. You can try to kill all of those extremists and you might even take out a bit chunk of them along with a huge number of non-extremists. But in the process you will stir up enough hatred that you'll likely drag a chunk of the 99.7% of Muslims in the non-extremist camp into the extremist camp, and end up in a worse situation than you were in when you started.

Sound familiar?

Oh that is terrific logic there. I have a better idea. Let's take it to the next level.

Let all Muslims go unpoliced. Seriously who wants to risk being called a bigot, why not just exempt anyone who is Muslim of any of the laws that bind a community? I think any terrorist attacks or crimes of violence ought to be waved away. I do not think attacks like the one at Nice, France or at the Ariana Grande concert or in Brussels ought to be either investigated nor the perpetrators stopped. They will surely get bored eventually from killing people. You should not hurt them as they are trying to murder citizens because otherwise other Muslims may not like it and may call you a bigot.

Minister of Funny Walks logic is funny.

Nice straw man there. That's almost a next-level straw man. Impressive.

Here's how you take it to the next level. Figure out what feeds extremism, and what starves extremism. Use that as the starting point for your next course of action.

In the next lesson I may be gracious enough to expand upon that. Or I might just try to counter your lack of argument by imagining some ridiculous extrapolation of your comments. At this stage I am undecided. Stay tuned.

Any ideology can become distorted and all it needs is someone who is willing to be selective and view every aspect of an ideology in the worst and most repulsive light AND they will do all of this with moral indignation.

I do not agree with much of John Stewart but here is something he gets 100% on in his comedic assassination of Glenn Beck.

This points out the way extremism works in ideologies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU22QEclVQo

You will note here that again I am happy to agree with someone I disagree with on MANY things and doing so does not endorse everything they say, right? ;)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on November 30, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
Quite, which is why I'm going to suggest everybody abandon hope of odeon's rehabilitation. Really, it's his own suggestion, to quote 'bigots will be bigots', after all.

Druggie's talking about rehabilitation. The irony.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on December 01, 2017, 03:03:09 PM
The bigot, making the accusation of bigotry.

The irony.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on December 01, 2017, 03:51:08 PM
Someone hazarded a guess further up the thread that about 0.3% of Muslims are extremists.

Umm, actually no. Py's comment was made I jest and I responded to it.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 01, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
The bigot, making the accusation of bigotry.

The irony.

Tell me how I'm a bigot.

:popcorn:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on December 01, 2017, 06:10:59 PM
Your calling me a junkie, druggie etc. As if the act of altering one's consciousness (and I should think we can agree on this point, no?: a person's body ought to be inviolable, sovereign territory to that person. The owners of said bodies are the people, and the only people entitled to make a demand of them. Yes, people may of course cede degrees of freedom to another to do things with and to them, but fundamental ownership of an individual's body and mind, remain the domain of the individual. I.e fair enough to say 'yes' to someone interacting, but should that permission be later rescinded, other people are violating the rights of the person should that revocation not be respected)

And the reason I say you are behaving as a bigot, is that you presume to judge somebody for doing something with their own body that does not involve using it to violate the rights of others to their own personal integrity and bodily/psychic sovereignty.

I have every right to do what I want to MY body. And none whatsoever to do things to those of others unless they either tell me to do it, or ask it of me. And should somebody do so and change their mind during whatever the thing done is taking place, then I must cease.

It is no more acceptable to force somebody to do 'this, and only this' with their personal biochemistry, as long as what is done does not trespass upon other people, than is any form of sexual force exerted against another against their will, or, outside of defense, or protecting somebody who is assaulted, from doing so with physical violence. Yes, for the last, there exist reasons which may validate  that course of action, but for the two former, no. Not if consent is withheld.)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 02, 2017, 02:34:26 AM
You think that your addiction has no consequences on others? Seriously? That you can pick and choose among laws and regulations, simply ignoring the ones that don't match your personal convictions?

This is exactly why I can't stand junkies. If you think that's bigotry, then I can't help you.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 02, 2017, 02:36:30 AM
Oh, and I assume you think your using your place as a lab has no consequences on others, either?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 02, 2017, 02:38:49 AM
I do not care if anyone here is a using any drugs or a smoker or a drinker or even if they are Autistic :P
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 02, 2017, 02:49:26 AM
Junkies' actions always have consequences to others but it's something they tend not to understand or want to understand. Addiction is a powerful motivator for hiding your head in the sand.

It's kind of a cheap trick to throw in autism in your post, don't you think? Where's the relevance, apart form this particular junkie being a spazz?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 02, 2017, 04:38:39 AM
Junkies' actions always have consequences to others but it's something they tend not to understand or want to understand. Addiction is a powerful motivator for hiding your head in the sand.

It's kind of a cheap trick to throw in autism in your post, don't you think? Where's the relevance, apart form this particular junkie being a spazz?

Well not wanting to start anything here as well I will say a few things.

Firstly, Lestat is a big boy and not likely to be that concerned as to what a Middle Aged Australian thinks of him nor for that matter a Middle Age Swedish man. Whatever impact you or I may think we have on him is likely lost because it is just a forum and calling him names is simply sticks and stones.

Secondly, neither you nor I really understand his usage of drugs or how problematic it is and whilst we can make any base assumptions on that it is not divine truth and I do not think such proclamations ought to be seen as such.

Thirdly, with respect to drugs or any proclivities of ANY member, we do not know what we do not know. You drink ale and I drink bourbon. Do we ever drink in excess? The answer is obvious. Are either of us problem drinkers. I will tell you I am not and you may or may not believe that. You may say the same and I may or may not believe that too. Same goes for any member. Do either of us or anyone else here use alcohol to dull the edges after a grueling week? Are any of us here driven to drinking through the week? Any of us here is desperate need of AA? Again, I don't know? What we do know about members here, even very active long term members pales in comparison to what we don't know. Pretending we know more is what it is. Trading insults and barbs are run of the mill here and I do not dislike it even.

What we do know is we are all Autistic...or at least to be here and owning it makes it likely.

By all means, I am not going to stop you firing off at him or visa versa. It is nothing less than what has been done before with Lestat and MLA. More of the same. I am just trying to add a little levity and absurdity. I can wear failure in such attempts.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Jack on December 02, 2017, 06:50:03 AM
Junkies' actions always have consequences to others but it's something they tend not to understand or want to understand. Addiction is a powerful motivator for hiding your head in the sand.
Tend to not view pain management patients as junkies, because usage didn't begin as a lifestyle choice and it seems heartless to bash on someone who has a legitimate prescription for pain. Though from a removed acquaintance perspective it's more difficult to have genuine compassion about it. Have lost two work team members to long term pain management. It's true they caused problems for the entire department. They were nice people with a good work ethic, but the job is too demanding and detailed for someone constantly in a fog. With one, personally was assigned the task of destroying them, daily audits of their work and compiling a log of all their errors to be used as ammunition for grounds for firing. With the other, someone else was assigned the role of back stabber.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on December 02, 2017, 07:56:25 AM
As far as a lab goes (and no, that isn't its sole purpose), if others are unharmed by its presence, and content enough for the person (there is only one) owning the house to permit it, and indeed to have given equipment as a b/day or xmas gift, which has happened then is it not safe to say they are not unduly inconvenienced by it? I doubt very much, were its presence detested that the one other in its presence would decide of their own accord, to give its owner something for it.

As for addiction, the only thing that could be called such (unless you include science of most descriptions, from personally conducted chem/bio/physics stuff to spending days reading paleontology journals), at least to a substance is to pain meds. I DON'T take anything from anybody not given, or transacted unless you count refill RX's from a GP surgery, and what a pharmacist gives in exchange for those RX's-that cannot be by any estimation taking something which I have not the right to in a sense of depriving others of what is theirs, or what they have the right to.

Yes, they have side effects. No, they are far from perfect. But if its a choice between mobility and being physically able to lie down and to make a knowing tradeoff  between negatives and positives and necessity then there is quite obviously a problem, medically speaking which does require such a choice to be made, regardless of which choice is made.

And the other need is the anticonvulsant which is, secondarily a sedative-hypnotic, albeit with remarkably low, and in my case zero physical dependence, save in the sense that I do need it, because it serves to prevent seizures. Without it, I'd have them, with, 95% of the time I can kill the things before they get started, and were the drug to be  taken away and my left with no protection, I'd be right back where I started before I began taking that medication. That is certainly different from either a psychological habit, or a physiological dependence in which lack of the med would cause a direct consequence by way of a withdrawal, as opposed to removing the protection it provides against a serious medical problem (the seizures).

Sure, the pain meds are an intoxicant. They aren't breaking any law however. Any that might be bent a little, so to speak, would be in the case of something fulfilling a role similar to either Odeon's ale, should he ever drink a few beers to unwind, or Al's bourbon. In the case of Al and odeon, their tastes differ as does mine. One prefers ale the other bourbon. I'm not much of a drinker, not very often at least, once in a great while I will get drunk. If I had to pick between the two, I'd go for beer. Why? because I have an intense personal distaste for anything resembling whiskey. The smell makes me want to puke. Some prefer wine, I can't drink it without holding my nose and tipping it back and rinsing my mouth after, which I've done perhaps three times in my lifespan (when I was a kid too young to buy it and getting drunk socially was to be done, and the means to do so rather restrictive to my taste. And I don't intend on drinking it again)

To achieve the same aim, on an occasional basis, I don't particularly see how the particular configuration of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, more often also nitrogen, that people ingest in order to reach the same end goal should have any particular bearing upon the person's right to reach essentially the same goal. It is little different to if I am to consume alcohol, having a preference for one preparation of it over another. Different tastes, but I defy even you odeon, to deny that were my preference in non-spirituous beverages of the alcoholic kind for wine in place of beer that I would lack the right to choose in that direction. How about were I to choose a different kind of consumable alcohol? there are others, such as tertiary pentyl alcohol which provide similar effects but are consumed by the mililiter or by the few hundred mg to a gram or so, and which in the cases of tertiary alcohols, they don't get metabolized to nasty aldehyde metabolites like the commonly drunk alcohol, ethanol does and they can possess less toxicity to the liver, nasty fruity acetaldehyde taste on one's breath but if misused, and one became an alcoholic on any of them, the end result would be much the same, bar possibly the cirrhosis of the liver.

If I drink off the shelf booze and treat people like an asshole, that would be me at fault. if I consume an alternate and cleaner-feeling, to my own individual taste, more pleasant kind of alcohol like that aforementioned 2-methyl-butan-2-ol and treat somebody like an asshole, its my fault in equal measure. If however I decide to consume either one, to rest my feet on the sofa and fire up a videogame, minding my own business whilst now and again under the influence of either one, do I thereby trespass upon the fundamental rights of another being by virtue of the alcohol in question having 5 carbons, and the according number of hydrogen atoms as opposed to two carbons?

Looking at it logically, the nature of the person's actions, rather than the chemical entity ingested, ought to be that which dictates the right or wrong, since a chemical in a container cannot bear inherent guilt, it not being a sentient living thing. It acts only when surrounded by the bag of nerves, meat, water and squishy things that makes up your average living thing. And the actions of said bag of squishy bits are, in humans at least, to be dictated by that human.

I, you, al, CBC, ren, elle, funwithmatches, the lot of us, we all share that much, same with any member here barring spambots, the capability to act according to our will in that we decide the voluntary activity of our associated meat-bags, and its that activity any of us bear responsibility for. And ergo the conduct which that activity makes up and by which we interact with others. This being, as far as I can tell, the most important factor.

And it is a good point Al makes. Nobody is present from this forum standing by any of our sides, with odd exceptions such as say, ren and ceilidh, so the only judgement which can be made by a remote entity is based on subjective inference, not objective testing. Others not present with one another may see only what is presented through that lens, and attempt to put together a partial picture based on fragments, which is of course, unlikely to show the true, objective reality in any one case.

And Al, sure your opinion is respected, inaslong as what you say has merit. if Odeon says something meritworthy, then likewise, I would view either as worthy of consideration. Mere sticks and stones, as Al put it, on the other and...well a middle finger received is likely to result in a middle finger given in return, I'll just as much give what I get to any. But any who merely wish to attempt to insult for the sake of dispensing insult, don't expect me either to take it to heart so much I go hang myself like an anorexic repeatedly teased and called fat, by a bunch of other teenage girls prone to cattiness and hissy fits. Those who do throw insult for insult's sake may expect to be met with the same, but I'm not going to waste time going out of my way for those who prove themselves to act in a manner undeserving of respect.

Al-as far as levity and absurdity, less of the latter than you may have expected. What you point out is logically sound.

As far as picking and choosing laws..well when they serve to maintain the peace, and prevent one member of society from invading the rights of another, that is reasonable, logical, and I have no desire to break such law.

I cannot on the flip side of the coin, respect a law designed to infringe the rights of a being to hold soverignty in thought or action upon that same being. Not all laws made by governments are good laws.

Would you respect the right of say, a court in some parts of africa, to hold on you assize, for the charge of witchcraft? such laws exist in some such countries there to this day. Or laws demanding you hand jews over for the gas chambers in nazi-era germany and axis-occupied land at the time? such laws are, quite plainly wrong, are they not? what about laws in places like saudi arabia, or other middle eastern countries which are still stoning homosexuals? Whether or not you wish anything to do with homosexuality, I doubt you would post in support of their being lynched, may I assume I am correct in this conclusion?

What have such laws got in common? they exist to transgress against the right of the individual to be the individual. (barring perhaps the sorcery example which is based on primitive superstition and in this day and age, idiocy, no person arrested for such a 'crime' ever actually being guilty thereof given the act itself cannot exist, and given the 'crime' cannot in reality be committed, all those so charged must logically therefore, be innocent)

And consider this, and balance it on the scales of justice, odeon: which is worse-a man going somewhere or being somewhere passive smoking cannot reach another person, stepping outside the back door etc, and smoking a joint. Or assaulting that same man for smoking the joint. They have posed no threat to society, yet the armed division of the legal system in return, has the right to pose a threat to them? and not only them, but potentially those who may depend on that person as a breadwinner for example?

One could argue that the breadwinner has a responsibility to the dependent. But assuming they are not acting in a manner to negatively impact their performance on the job, I would argue that the responsibility lies upon the legal system not to permit its agents to perform such an assault in the first place, given the 'crime' exists only in statute, and lacks inherently, anybody being made victim, in such a victimless 'crime' then the victim, is the one assaulted.

Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 02, 2017, 03:51:35 PM
Junkies' actions always have consequences to others but it's something they tend not to understand or want to understand. Addiction is a powerful motivator for hiding your head in the sand.

It's kind of a cheap trick to throw in autism in your post, don't you think? Where's the relevance, apart form this particular junkie being a spazz?

Well not wanting to start anything here as well I will say a few things.

Firstly, Lestat is a big boy and not likely to be that concerned as to what a Middle Aged Australian thinks of him nor for that matter a Middle Age Swedish man. Whatever impact you or I may think we have on him is likely lost because it is just a forum and calling him names is simply sticks and stones.

Secondly, neither you nor I really understand his usage of drugs or how problematic it is and whilst we can make any base assumptions on that it is not divine truth and I do not think such proclamations ought to be seen as such.

Thirdly, with respect to drugs or any proclivities of ANY member, we do not know what we do not know. You drink ale and I drink bourbon. Do we ever drink in excess? The answer is obvious. Are either of us problem drinkers. I will tell you I am not and you may or may not believe that. You may say the same and I may or may not believe that too. Same goes for any member. Do either of us or anyone else here use alcohol to dull the edges after a grueling week? Are any of us here driven to drinking through the week? Any of us here is desperate need of AA? Again, I don't know? What we do know about members here, even very active long term members pales in comparison to what we don't know. Pretending we know more is what it is. Trading insults and barbs are run of the mill here and I do not dislike it even.

What we do know is we are all Autistic...or at least to be here and owning it makes it likely.

By all means, I am not going to stop you firing off at him or visa versa. It is nothing less than what has been done before with Lestat and MLA. More of the same. I am just trying to add a little levity and absurdity. I can wear failure in such attempts.

OK, fair enough and I think I know what you want to say.

I'll just say this: I'm no newcomer to the world of addiction and what it does to people close to the addict. The addicts never know what they do to their surroundings, they never feel they are responsible in any way. It's one excuse after another and this one displays all of the signs.

There's *always* an excuse.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 02, 2017, 03:53:00 PM
Junkies' actions always have consequences to others but it's something they tend not to understand or want to understand. Addiction is a powerful motivator for hiding your head in the sand.
Tend to not view pain management patients as junkies, because usage didn't begin as a lifestyle choice and it seems heartless to bash on someone who has a legitimate prescription for pain. Though from a removed acquaintance perspective it's more difficult to have genuine compassion about it. Have lost two work team members to long term pain management. It's true they caused problems for the entire department. They were nice people with a good work ethic, but the job is too demanding and detailed for someone constantly in a fog. With one, personally was assigned the task of destroying them, daily audits of their work and compiling a log of all their errors to be used as ammunition for grounds for firing. With the other, someone else was assigned the role of back stabber.

The junkie's first line of defence is always pain management. Fuck that.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on December 03, 2017, 02:47:52 AM
Then any pain management patient is automatically a junkie? and regardless of their stated reasons for use of whatever their opioid medication, it is by default an excuse? what would you call somebody with cancer, then? somebody in severe pain, certainly (that much is recognized by the medical community at large, that a cancer patient may be subject to the most intractable of pain), so, when no prospect of remission exists, and its a matter of time, and that timescale is sufficient before eventual death due to disease, are these unfortunate people then, junkie scum of the earth?

Or does the emotional impact of 'cancer' exempt them from it, as opposed to any other injury incapable of healing?

I'd like to see what you would call yourself, should you find yourself in the exact same position I found myself; should you then require pain management. The knee issue is inoperable as best I know. They tried, and made things worse. I am not, as a result, too enthusiastic for round two and 'made worse still'. I'm just in my very early 30s now, so with age, my joints are going to, over time, as does the bone health and density of most people, so from a long term perspective I cannot afford to heap on damage now and start from a worse off point.

And in any case, replacing the joint is  not on offer to me, and they do not last forever.

In any case, if you dismiss everybody who speaks, and is in such a suitiation, as making an excuse, then by definition,  nobody speaks the truth. And everybody in crippling pain deserves all the mobility issues and miserable times they get, so do the cancer patients, so do those hit by drunk drivers through no fault of their own who've more pins and titanium bits in them than they have bone.

As for 'throwing autism in there' I don't see how its particularly relevant, aside from my interests, he (Al) didn't say it made me either a better, or worse person. He just stated it was something those on this forum, probably are, without further qualifying the statement, which is probably a correct one.

And as for the TOS-have you met his mother? can you confirm his mother isn't a swedish whore who enjoys a face full of jihadi spunk? I doubt either. Or are you more worried about her using this place to advertise for punters? I thought that type waited for their 72 virgins anyway, I'd not too worried, odeon, about I2 turning into a brothel as a result.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 04, 2017, 12:55:52 AM
We're not talking about cancer patients, we are talking about you.

As for Scrap's sig, his intent with it perfectly obvious to most people here. Not about to discuss it further and certainly not with you.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Gopher Gary on December 04, 2017, 06:08:45 AM
As for Scrap's sig, his intent with it perfectly obvious to most people here.

Yeah, he shouldn't talk about your momma like that if he doesn't even know her. I've never met your momma either, the line was too long.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Fun With Matches on December 04, 2017, 06:55:00 AM
As for Scrap's sig, his intent with it perfectly obvious to most people here.

Yeah, he shouldn't talk about your momma like that if he doesn't even know her. I've never met your momma either, the line was too long.  :zoinks:

 :lol1:
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on December 04, 2017, 03:48:48 PM
I take scrap at his word. I'm assuming his mother is a swedish whore who likes to suck arab knob.

I didn't notice his saying anything about your poor, unfortunate mother, odeon. Are you perhaps projecting, maybe? His intent? only scrap can specify that, unless we have a telepath on the forums. A dictatorial sociopath might be findable, but as far as I am aware we don't have a mind reader. Sorry to hear that though scrap, that you have a jihadi-dick sucking swedish mongrel whore for a mother. Commiserations. Must be a real shame  to have a dirty cumguzzling slag like that for family :(
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 05, 2017, 01:55:22 AM
Yup, it may have been about Odeon or not. As I remember that was something Lit used to say a lot and he was Swedish. Odeon's parents were Swedish? I really was not aware. I thought his family was from Finland.

It, of course, doesn't mean Odeon could not tell the ISP that Scrap was saying anything about anything and nor are they likely to care about Odeon's genealogy.

Just adding to the discourse now it is being spoken about and adding my two cents.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Lestat on December 05, 2017, 04:02:45 AM
Quite. And especially, if he is somehow insulted by somebody speaking of their own mother (I didn't see scrap name odeon in any way, so any insult odeon chooses to take is of his own choice, if he chooses to see an implication in it, but what is said about one party is said about one party. What odeon chooses to take from it is his business. I'm not stupid of course, and I can guess what might just be being thought, but I should have thought what somebody guesses somebody else might be thinking about a third party just a LITTLE bit too tenuous for the ISP to give a tinker's twat mushroom over)

Too bad for scrap's mom, living in a shithole like that, her cunt must have icicles growing off her ugly little mushroom infested minge. Bet the punters don't come back for seconds (assuming they haven't died off of some nasty strain of uber-gonorrhea or bled to death after the ugly ol' bitch's inner vaginal jaws bit their member off or else their bladder exploded after blockage from a sharp icicle....)

Wonder what the congenital deformity rate is round there? sky high I should imagine.

Just look for the kids that have looks that say 'my mother was an ugly diseased swedish whore with the looks of a moray eel and my dad was a venus flytrap-cum-hobo'

Either that, or there is likely to be a public state of panic as a result of mass hysteria about the children of Cthulhuwhorenborgen, deep ones, and something about the eating of souls in the hope of acquiring one, given that the progeny would have nothing of the sort in their lineage, the poor,  ugly diseased moray eel-looking whore-spawn. I pity the bastards, even if the earth would be better off were they rounded up and the flamethrowers passed round among those with at least sufficient human blood not to have significant plasma levels of haemocyanin. (its a copper based oxygen transport protein common amongst mollusks of various kinds)

(and ever seen those eels? just like those ugly little cancerous growt....I mean...progeny..sorry, my mistake, an all too easy one to make, eh scrap? I'm guessing you must have gotten....is lucky the right word to be applied, to one adopted by a moray eel-cunted diseased slag with a cunt like a freezer stuck in a deep oceanic trench? well at least it was an adoption rather than a  9-month defaecation, thank hell for small mercies [if I were to invoke heaven in that case, I'd probably get either sued for defamation of character, or raped by an angel that got really pissed off at the association with something that crawled out of the decaying arse ring of a rotting heap of tubeworm-infested festering blubber which at one point might just have been a whale carcass.]

Wonder just how they survived the pressure changes, slithering up out of the ooze and up through 7-10km of water. Well water and rotting whale shit and pus, and fish with glass looking teeth that look as though they were grown for the express purpose of removing their own eyeballs if they get hungry enough down there in fuckup central.


So...who wants their dick sucked? no need for the five pence tip, feed the old slapper a handful of shrimp and she'll be happy for a year. Because lookie here...I DOX'ed the bitch and found her modeling portfolio, complete with a gob full of pressure-coagulated frozen jizm.  Any takers?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoyzQ_UXqFzYwgPrErur-klZbZPVQqZaWtlbVUJCpSwmeCrxKb3Q)

And aren't the kids just adorable \/   \/  \/


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFqZgfSNC2lMkxqIB9kudqzoDKD-PFaY81I0fir-QstFX9uCf6hg)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 06, 2017, 01:04:17 AM
That was either the gullibility meter or the dishonesty meter breaking, folks.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on December 06, 2017, 03:24:04 AM
Quite. And especially, if he is somehow insulted by somebody speaking of their own mother (I didn't see scrap name odeon in any way, so any insult odeon chooses to take is of his own choice, if he chooses to see an implication in it, but what is said about one party is said about one party. What odeon chooses to take from it is his business. I'm not stupid of course, and I can guess what might just be being thought, but I should have thought what somebody guesses somebody else might be thinking about a third party just a LITTLE bit too tenuous for the ISP to give a tinker's twat mushroom over)

Too bad for scrap's mom, living in a shithole like that, her cunt must have icicles growing off her ugly little mushroom infested minge. Bet the punters don't come back for seconds (assuming they haven't died off of some nasty strain of uber-gonorrhea or bled to death after the ugly ol' bitch's inner vaginal jaws bit their member off or else their bladder exploded after blockage from a sharp icicle....)

Wonder what the congenital deformity rate is round there? sky high I should imagine.

Just look for the kids that have looks that say 'my mother was an ugly diseased swedish whore with the looks of a moray eel and my dad was a venus flytrap-cum-hobo'

Either that, or there is likely to be a public state of panic as a result of mass hysteria about the children of Cthulhuwhorenborgen, deep ones, and something about the eating of souls in the hope of acquiring one, given that the progeny would have nothing of the sort in their lineage, the poor,  ugly diseased moray eel-looking whore-spawn. I pity the bastards, even if the earth would be better off were they rounded up and the flamethrowers passed round among those with at least sufficient human blood not to have significant plasma levels of haemocyanin. (its a copper based oxygen transport protein common amongst mollusks of various kinds)

(and ever seen those eels? just like those ugly little cancerous growt....I mean...progeny..sorry, my mistake, an all too easy one to make, eh scrap? I'm guessing you must have gotten....is lucky the right word to be applied, to one adopted by a moray eel-cunted diseased slag with a cunt like a freezer stuck in a deep oceanic trench? well at least it was an adoption rather than a  9-month defaecation, thank hell for small mercies [if I were to invoke heaven in that case, I'd probably get either sued for defamation of character, or raped by an angel that got really pissed off at the association with something that crawled out of the decaying arse ring of a rotting heap of tubeworm-infested festering blubber which at one point might just have been a whale carcass.]

Wonder just how they survived the pressure changes, slithering up out of the ooze and up through 7-10km of water. Well water and rotting whale shit and pus, and fish with glass looking teeth that look as though they were grown for the express purpose of removing their own eyeballs if they get hungry enough down there in fuckup central.


So...who wants their dick sucked? no need for the five pence tip, feed the old slapper a handful of shrimp and she'll be happy for a year. Because lookie here...I DOX'ed the bitch and found her modeling portfolio, complete with a gob full of pressure-coagulated frozen jizm.  Any takers?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoyzQ_UXqFzYwgPrErur-klZbZPVQqZaWtlbVUJCpSwmeCrxKb3Q)

And aren't the kids just adorable \/   \/  \/


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFqZgfSNC2lMkxqIB9kudqzoDKD-PFaY81I0fir-QstFX9uCf6hg)


.......and this is your brain on drugs.


Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 06, 2017, 05:20:54 AM
Quite. And especially, if he is somehow insulted by somebody speaking of their own mother (I didn't see scrap name odeon in any way, so any insult odeon chooses to take is of his own choice, if he chooses to see an implication in it, but what is said about one party is said about one party. What odeon chooses to take from it is his business. I'm not stupid of course, and I can guess what might just be being thought, but I should have thought what somebody guesses somebody else might be thinking about a third party just a LITTLE bit too tenuous for the ISP to give a tinker's twat mushroom over)

Too bad for scrap's mom, living in a shithole like that, her cunt must have icicles growing off her ugly little mushroom infested minge. Bet the punters don't come back for seconds (assuming they haven't died off of some nasty strain of uber-gonorrhea or bled to death after the ugly ol' bitch's inner vaginal jaws bit their member off or else their bladder exploded after blockage from a sharp icicle....)

Wonder what the congenital deformity rate is round there? sky high I should imagine.

Just look for the kids that have looks that say 'my mother was an ugly diseased swedish whore with the looks of a moray eel and my dad was a venus flytrap-cum-hobo'

Either that, or there is likely to be a public state of panic as a result of mass hysteria about the children of Cthulhuwhorenborgen, deep ones, and something about the eating of souls in the hope of acquiring one, given that the progeny would have nothing of the sort in their lineage, the poor,  ugly diseased moray eel-looking whore-spawn. I pity the bastards, even if the earth would be better off were they rounded up and the flamethrowers passed round among those with at least sufficient human blood not to have significant plasma levels of haemocyanin. (its a copper based oxygen transport protein common amongst mollusks of various kinds)

(and ever seen those eels? just like those ugly little cancerous growt....I mean...progeny..sorry, my mistake, an all too easy one to make, eh scrap? I'm guessing you must have gotten....is lucky the right word to be applied, to one adopted by a moray eel-cunted diseased slag with a cunt like a freezer stuck in a deep oceanic trench? well at least it was an adoption rather than a  9-month defaecation, thank hell for small mercies [if I were to invoke heaven in that case, I'd probably get either sued for defamation of character, or raped by an angel that got really pissed off at the association with something that crawled out of the decaying arse ring of a rotting heap of tubeworm-infested festering blubber which at one point might just have been a whale carcass.]

Wonder just how they survived the pressure changes, slithering up out of the ooze and up through 7-10km of water. Well water and rotting whale shit and pus, and fish with glass looking teeth that look as though they were grown for the express purpose of removing their own eyeballs if they get hungry enough down there in fuckup central.


So...who wants their dick sucked? no need for the five pence tip, feed the old slapper a handful of shrimp and she'll be happy for a year. Because lookie here...I DOX'ed the bitch and found her modeling portfolio, complete with a gob full of pressure-coagulated frozen jizm.  Any takers?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoyzQ_UXqFzYwgPrErur-klZbZPVQqZaWtlbVUJCpSwmeCrxKb3Q)

And aren't the kids just adorable \/   \/  \/


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFqZgfSNC2lMkxqIB9kudqzoDKD-PFaY81I0fir-QstFX9uCf6hg)


.......and this is your brain on drugs.

I am just pleased that I have not a pathway into your mind
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on December 06, 2017, 03:18:51 PM

I am just pleased that I have not a pathway into your mind

I understand you perfectly.  It's wasn't that difficult to accomplish.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 07, 2017, 01:56:53 PM

I am just pleased that I have not a pathway into your mind

I understand you perfectly.  It's wasn't that difficult to accomplish.

You really don't

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To me it looks like you're saying that banning bombs didn't stop bombs going off therefore there is no point to gun control because it's a mental health issue. 

This is point in case.

You were confused on this point and one of many. I tried harder than I ought to in hammering very simple points. A lot you admitted not to reading. Yet you have an understanding? Do not flatter yourself.

My point was rather simple. Bad people do bad things and good people tend not to. Being that you have a society (America) with Constitutional and cultural resistance at its very core, to stymie the kind of gun control that people like you propose AND such measures get smashed in the Congress House of Representatives whenever they are suggested.....gun control is not the way. The way is to limit BAD people NOT good people from having guns. Before you start, this is bare bones remedial and it is slightly more nuanced. When I say "bad people" I do not mean only BAD people do BAD things. Mentally ill people are not necessarily bad, and sometimes otherwise good people do bad things.

If you cannot push gun control laws with any success (and it would be beyond ridiculous to think at this point it is any more than ideological virtue signaling) what could be done? It would be good to better enforce laws America has. Do not let gun violence in organised guns to flourish unchecked and disarm those that have no legal right to have guns they may possess. Do not let people slip through the cracks of background checks or the like. When people are mentally ill, remove their guns and do not let them easily obtain what was removed from them.

Will methods like this stop it entirely? No. As we see with bombs, any bad person with the right mindset will do bad things whether illegal or illegal, banned or unbanned, controlled or not controlled, BUT it will reduce incidences and that is the point.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: FourAceDeal on December 08, 2017, 02:35:06 AM

I am just pleased that I have not a pathway into your mind

I understand you perfectly.  It's wasn't that difficult to accomplish.

You really don't

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To me it looks like you're saying that banning bombs didn't stop bombs going off therefore there is no point to gun control because it's a mental health issue. 

This is point in case.

You were confused on this point and one of many. I tried harder than I ought to in hammering very simple points. A lot you admitted not to reading. Yet you have an understanding? Do not flatter yourself.

My point was rather simple. Bad people do bad things and good people tend not to. Being that you have a society (America) with Constitutional and cultural resistance at its very core, to stymie the kind of gun control that people like you propose AND such measures get smashed in the Congress House of Representatives whenever they are suggested.....gun control is not the way. The way is to limit BAD people NOT good people from having guns. Before you start, this is bare bones remedial and it is slightly more nuanced. When I say "bad people" I do not mean only BAD people do BAD things. Mentally ill people are not necessarily bad, and sometimes otherwise good people do bad things.

If you cannot push gun control laws with any success (and it would be beyond ridiculous to think at this point it is any more than ideological virtue signaling) what could be done? It would be good to better enforce laws America has. Do not let gun violence in organised guns to flourish unchecked and disarm those that have no legal right to have guns they may possess. Do not let people slip through the cracks of background checks or the like. When people are mentally ill, remove their guns and do not let them easily obtain what was removed from them.

Will methods like this stop it entirely? No. As we see with bombs, any bad person with the right mindset will do bad things whether illegal or illegal, banned or unbanned, controlled or not controlled, BUT it will reduce incidences and that is the point.

Read and understood.  You are saying that bombs are illegal and people still use bombs therefore gun control will not help the completely different situation of gun violence because mentally ill people can do bad things even though they may not be bad.

But once again....  Why will gun control not reduce the rate of gun violence?  Posting anything other than your long winding opinion will help prove your case.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 08, 2017, 04:48:13 AM

I am just pleased that I have not a pathway into your mind

I understand you perfectly.  It's wasn't that difficult to accomplish.

You really don't

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To me it looks like you're saying that banning bombs didn't stop bombs going off therefore there is no point to gun control because it's a mental health issue. 

This is point in case.

You were confused on this point and one of many. I tried harder than I ought to in hammering very simple points. A lot you admitted not to reading. Yet you have an understanding? Do not flatter yourself.

My point was rather simple. Bad people do bad things and good people tend not to. Being that you have a society (America) with Constitutional and cultural resistance at its very core, to stymie the kind of gun control that people like you propose AND such measures get smashed in the Congress House of Representatives whenever they are suggested.....gun control is not the way. The way is to limit BAD people NOT good people from having guns. Before you start, this is bare bones remedial and it is slightly more nuanced. When I say "bad people" I do not mean only BAD people do BAD things. Mentally ill people are not necessarily bad, and sometimes otherwise good people do bad things.

If you cannot push gun control laws with any success (and it would be beyond ridiculous to think at this point it is any more than ideological virtue signaling) what could be done? It would be good to better enforce laws America has. Do not let gun violence in organised guns to flourish unchecked and disarm those that have no legal right to have guns they may possess. Do not let people slip through the cracks of background checks or the like. When people are mentally ill, remove their guns and do not let them easily obtain what was removed from them.

Will methods like this stop it entirely? No. As we see with bombs, any bad person with the right mindset will do bad things whether illegal or illegal, banned or unbanned, controlled or not controlled, BUT it will reduce incidences and that is the point.

Read and understood.  You are saying that bombs are illegal and people still use bombs therefore gun control will not help the completely different situation of gun violence because mentally ill people can do bad things even though they may not be bad.

But once again....  Why will gun control not reduce the rate of gun violence?  Posting anything other than your long winding opinion will help prove your case.

Without Constitutional underpinnings or a particular cultural underpinning on guns, when David Bryant went crazy in Port Arthur, Australians had no real issue in participating in the gun buyback (for the most part). Plenty of us still have guns of course but not in huge numbers and nor is it central to our identity.

So saying gun control could work in Australia even before the shooting would have been a potentially viable conversation because we are different to America and don't have the "out of my cold dead hands", Constitutional and cultural attachment to firearms.

So if we can bring ourselves to admit that the cultural and constitutional differences make gun controls laws pretty unviable, then there actually a void in the conversation where other options other than gun control MUST inhabit. I say that is to limit the ability for the people who will do most harm with firearms and to enforce existing laws that seek to limit access.

It is hardly unreasonable.

People with the inability to see past the failed argument of gun control in the US cannot see that.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 09, 2017, 02:13:22 AM
I'm interested in what constitutional obstacles you think there are to amending the law. I believe the founding fathers fully expected the constitution to change over time to reflect the actual society rather than the one they wrote it for. For example, I very much doubt they would have been interested in squabbling over the meaning of the 2d amendment when the federal government has nukes.

As for cultural obstacles, I don't buy that at all. You're effectively saying that it's the one people on earth that cannot change or learn from their mistakes.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Pyraxis on December 09, 2017, 08:04:27 AM
You may not buy the cultural obstacles, but they're there. The country - especially the more conservative parts of it - does not have a long history. It's not that many generations removed from the Wild West.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 09, 2017, 09:36:03 AM
You may not buy the cultural obstacles, but they're there. The country - especially the more conservative parts of it - does not have a long history. It's not that many generations removed from the Wild West.

I realise that, but again, are they really the only people in the world incapable of change? That's just stupid.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Pyraxis on December 09, 2017, 09:38:56 AM
Actually I'm interested in the difference between what happened with gun control in Australia and what happens in the USA. Australia is just as young and had its own form of wild west. Yet they accepted legislation and the gun buyback more easily. First thought is could it be the difference in attitude between people being brought there as a penal colony, and people striking out as settlers? But I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 09, 2017, 09:41:59 AM
Exactly. The Aussies can change, yet their country is as young as the US.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 09, 2017, 11:35:28 AM
Exactly. The Aussies can change, yet their country is as young as the US.

Okay, I actually think this is a more interesting discussion and one I am happy to take part in because it is less volatile or incriminating to anyone's specific cultural mores. It reframes things into the "Why are one country's values and mores not like another and why are the cultural differences important to cling on to?"

At work the other day we were discussing the want for an introduction in Aussie society and culture a need for a PC-friendly and offence taking aspect to all things. I avoided terms that were likewise volatile and weighted. We instead discussed "larrikism". Aussies have long held importance to the ability to laugh at and be dismissive of authority. To laugh at others and ourselves and the things that make us different and make us the same. Not mean-spirited derision but to use this joking, prankster, humour to bind us all together. The tall poppy syndrome as no one is too special or serious to cop a bit of flak and no one is above their station. We all are Aussies. We love the "Hoges" and the "Ted Bullpitts". We have a history of been cast from our home country in chains and bought to one of the most inhospitable places on Earth at the time with creatures that evolution and isolation made some of the most unique and deadliest in the world. We were sent to sie or be forgotten about. We lived and we descendants of criminals made something of ourselves through stoic determination and we developed a thick skin and a fiery resolve and a sense of identity and humour unique to ourselves.

The want to turn us into people that are easily offended and soft and given to fainting couches seemed to not gel with my workmates. To be offended over every little perceived slight and unable to appreciate a ribbing or give one back was a denunciation of all of that. We want what was important to Australians and a key component from making Aussies, Aussies, to not be lost in an effort to make us like every other society. We are different as they are different. We have our own values and our own history as they have theirs and ours is important just as they are.

We never had the cultural underpinnings with guns that the Americans had. They never had the larrikism that we had. They could not understand that if we were trying to bond and become friends that the Aussie way would be to stereotype and lampoon and hope that we would get back a measure of that. We could not understand their love of guns and their want to take themselves so seriously or give so much undulation to the Church. Doesn't matter. We understand the need to hold onto one's heritage and cultural values.

That and only that makes us Australian. Otherwise we are simply people of a place and changing the place makes us no different to any other people anywhere in the world.

Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 09, 2017, 12:50:34 PM
Who's "they"?

And seriously, are you saying that Americans cannot change? Why is it that they can get rid of other cultural issues that clearly aren't part of any modern society but not the one that is costing them tens of thousands of lives yearly?
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 09, 2017, 01:37:11 PM
Who's "they"?

And seriously, are you saying that Americans cannot change? Why is it that they can get rid of other cultural issues that clearly aren't part of any modern society but not the one that is costing them tens of thousands of lives yearly?

Yup. That is what I am saying. Part of what makes them Americans as much as the cultural attachments to the American as Capitalism, Hollywood, The frontier settlers and such.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Pyraxis on December 09, 2017, 11:13:22 PM
The USA does seem to be falling behind in the movement to get rid of outdated cultural issues. Australia finally got nationwide same sex marriage and the USA is still squabbling on a state by state basis. There's the healthcare debacle where it stands out (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-best-and-worst-countries-for-gender-equality/) among first world nations. It doesn't do too hot on gender equality (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-best-and-worst-countries-for-gender-equality/), though according to this graph Australia doesn't seem to be doing too much better.

The puritan roots run deep.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 10, 2017, 12:08:05 AM
The USA does seem to be falling behind in the movement to get rid of outdated cultural issues. Australia finally got nationwide same sex marriage and the USA is still squabbling on a state by state basis. There's the healthcare debacle where it stands out (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-best-and-worst-countries-for-gender-equality/) among first world nations. It doesn't do too hot on gender equality (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-best-and-worst-countries-for-gender-equality/), though according to this graph Australia doesn't seem to be doing too much better.

The puritan roots run deep.

Unfortunately, from what I understand many of the measures of gender equality are subjective. "How do you feel about...?" or similarly "Who is the major breadwinner in the family?" or "How many of the people in the top jobs are men?"

Many years ago I worked in an area that had a strong sales component. We were all paid a base salary plus commission. The split was 50%/50% gender male and female. On any given month there were 2 to 3 females in the top 10 salespeople. So were that ever audited for such a survey would it have shown that my company paid its men and women the same? No.

But that MUST be because there were bad hiring practices or the women were not encouraged or were actively discriminated against, right? No, it wasn't. So why did the men do better?

The truth is it does not matter. This is simply one anecdotal indicator that I can easily point to. What about jobs where there is a lot of danger involved or hard working conditions and the better pay that comes with this? Whenever there is a nasty accident at a factory I often hear of x amount of men badly hurt and injured but not very often do they use the term "women"? Why? Perhaps those factories if similarly audited may find an abundance of females in HR or Administration and the men getting higher pay doing the hard manual work and wearing out their bodies and exposing themselves to greater risk for higher pay. Would THEY pass the audit of men and women in that company receiving equal pay?

I have worked for many places and have time and time again been asked to confirm my hourly rate or my payslip with female counterparts for (perhaps) this very reason and at all times my base pay has been identical. Though quite often due to overtime and commission, my net pay has been higher.

I will be clear though. There are sexists and misogynists and misandrists in Australia. I doubt there is any culture without such loathesome people. I am sure there are men who think women should not rise above a certain station. I have not come across these people but perhaps I do not rub shoulders with the movers and shakers that may have such opinions. I suggest you could find some if you looked hard enough but they would not make the general rule.

Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Pyraxis on December 10, 2017, 12:26:19 AM
Yeah. I think we've talked about some of this before. I remember you going into men at your work getting paid more because of working more overtime while women took more time off for families.

I just pulled that gender link off Google, but there's more detail about the study metrics here (http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2017/measuring-the-global-gender-gap/). It takes into account educational attainment and literacy rates, participation in government, percentage of senior officials and management, and some others. Valid points about guys being expected to do physical labor that destroys their bodies faster. That ought to show up in the life expectancy metrics.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 10, 2017, 02:57:09 AM
Having just read Al's view on Israel, I find his views here strikingly similar. It seems to me they can be summarised thusly: It's hopeless, people can't change, no point in trying.

I don't buy that at all.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 10, 2017, 04:54:23 AM
Having just read Al's view on Israel, I find his views here strikingly similar. It seems to me they can be summarised thusly: It's hopeless, people can't change, no point in trying.

I don't buy that at all.

Sure women can de-prioritise safety and comfort and take on the type of roles that:

breakdown their bodies quicker;
Require working in distant locations
require a lot of overtime
are dirty and smelly
are dangerous
Are physically strenuous
are inflexible with family life
Require high degree of specialisation

You WILL find some women in such roles. They DO exist. But they are anomalies percentage-wise to men who will step up and do them (often are paid higher pay for it)
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Pyraxis on December 10, 2017, 10:27:46 AM
Yes, but that's only one small part of the picture. You've zeroed in here on it being about women vs men, but that's only one part of the dynamic. A few posts ago it was about whether cultures can change in general. And they do - civilizations have been rising and falling since the dawn of humanity. Sometimes they fall because of war, sometimes because of economic reasons, it varies. Though first-world society today loves to see itself as more progressive and morally enlightened than any culture in the past, there are pockets of culture far in the past that adopted values more "progressive" than what we have today.

Instead of looking at whether women need to take on more physically strenuous jobs to have equality, what about mechanical automation? Women did used to have more strenuous jobs, in the days before washing machines and microwaves, and the times when being a house-maid was common and precluded the possibility of starting your own family.

Physically strenuous jobs don't account for the majority of the pay gap, either. It's the leadership positions that cover that. One CEO makes more than a fuckton of blue collar laborers, and boardrooms are still mostly white guys.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 10, 2017, 03:30:57 PM
Yes, but that's only one small part of the picture. You've zeroed in here on it being about women vs men, but that's only one part of the dynamic. A few posts ago it was about whether cultures can change in general. And they do - civilizations have been rising and falling since the dawn of humanity. Sometimes they fall because of war, sometimes because of economic reasons, it varies. Though first-world society today loves to see itself as more progressive and morally enlightened than any culture in the past, there are pockets of culture far in the past that adopted values more "progressive" than what we have today.

Instead of looking at whether women need to take on more physically strenuous jobs to have equality, what about mechanical automation? Women did used to have more strenuous jobs, in the days before washing machines and microwaves, and the times when being a house-maid was common and precluded the possibility of starting your own family.

Physically strenuous jobs don't account for the majority of the pay gap, either. It's the leadership positions that cover that. One CEO makes more than a fuckton of blue collar laborers, and boardrooms are still mostly white guys.

So why are so many women NOT CHOOSING leadership positions? I am sorry but I get the whole narrative about men hoarding those positions and old boys clubs BUT what I see is women choosing comfort and flexibility over pay more often than not and I am not sure that is even a bad thing.

It is not to say that there are not some men in some leadership roles that are not complete arses. I personally think one of the qualities that can propel people to such roles is an indifference to others and it is no surprise to me that Psychopaths tend to occupy a large percentage of high level positions.

Let's say you are in your late 20's and making a decent inroad into middle management at or around the same rate as your male counterpart. Now you are in your early 30's and the push needed to cement those top positions requires a Hell of a lot of work and client management but you are wanting to start a family and have long period of time off both to have children and also enjoy being around those children and attending things with them and seeing them when or around when they get home. The thought of late night after late night at the office and not seeing these children is abhorrent to you. You see your male peers gaining weight, making time to catch up with important clients on the weekend, not seeing their kids and carrying mini portraits on their desk trying to either convince everyone what dutiful Fathers they are or simply perhaps to remind themselves what their children look like....maybe the 30's something lady says "Fuck that!"

Maybe she stays at middle management, gets to leave on or around time, has the time off she feels she needs and starts to prioritise differently. BUt the time she is in her 40's she is still middle management and not earning what her male counterparts are but is going to be less stressed, have more life fulfillment and have a longer an dmore fulfilling life as a result of HER CHOICES. Maybe too that is not bad thinking.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Pyraxis on December 10, 2017, 04:51:06 PM
You're assuming that the majority of people in those top leadership positions rise through middle management first... are you sure that's accurate? There are just as many gender problems in the Silicon Valley startup culture, if not more, than there are in large companies. Men are far more likely to get funding for startups than women.

But let's include the other minorities too. If it's primarily an issue of choice, why are there not more male immigrant CEO's? Arguments about taking time off to raise a family wouldn't apply to them.

It's true that there's a drop-off around the level of middle management for women. The articles I'm finding point to more reasons than the family issue. According to this study (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/01/14/women-and-leadership/st_2015-01-14_women-leadership-3-04/) which separates the responses of men and women, time for family is only #3 - in the responses of both genders. #1 and 2 are women being held to higher standards, and the bullshit response of companies "not being ready to" promote more women. There are issues with women being segregated (yes, partially by choice, it's not about pointing fingers) into departments like HR which are unlikely to promote from head of department to an executive position. People who get promoted to executive leadership have a broader range experience than that.

Yeah, the psychopath factor is a thing too. Represented in some of these articles (http://businessresearcher.sagepub.com/sbr-1645-95535-2666211/20150427/women-in-top-management) by "men not recognizing women's differing leadership style", which I think is coming at the same phenomenon from a different angle. But it's not actually backed up by profit results.
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One analysis found a huge advantage to investing in Fortune 1000 companies with female CEOs: A potential return of 348 percent, nearly triple the gain of Standard & Poor's 500 companies.43 Another analysis found that during the downturn of 2007–09, U.S. corporations with women on their boards performed better, partly because of lower debt levels. Profit growth averaged 14 percent over six years, compared with 10 percent for companies with all-male boards, according to the Credit Suisse study.44 Companies with women in senior posts or on boards also have fewer governance-related scandals including bribery, corruption and fraud.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: odeon on December 11, 2017, 01:19:16 AM
It's interesting how a discussion about Islam morphed into gun control and then women's rights and the glass ceiling.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 11, 2017, 03:35:36 AM
You're assuming that the majority of people in those top leadership positions rise through middle management first... are you sure that's accurate? There are just as many gender problems in the Silicon Valley startup culture, if not more, than there are in large companies. Men are far more likely to get funding for startups than women.

But let's include the other minorities too. If it's primarily an issue of choice, why are there not more male immigrant CEO's? Arguments about taking time off to raise a family wouldn't apply to them.

It's true that there's a drop-off around the level of middle management for women. The articles I'm finding point to more reasons than the family issue. According to this study (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/01/14/women-and-leadership/st_2015-01-14_women-leadership-3-04/) which separates the responses of men and women, time for family is only #3 - in the responses of both genders. #1 and 2 are women being held to higher standards, and the bullshit response of companies "not being ready to" promote more women. There are issues with women being segregated (yes, partially by choice, it's not about pointing fingers) into departments like HR which are unlikely to promote from head of department to an executive position. People who get promoted to executive leadership have a broader range experience than that.

Yeah, the psychopath factor is a thing too. Represented in some of these articles (http://businessresearcher.sagepub.com/sbr-1645-95535-2666211/20150427/women-in-top-management) by "men not recognizing women's differing leadership style", which I think is coming at the same phenomenon from a different angle. But it's not actually backed up by profit results.
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One analysis found a huge advantage to investing in Fortune 1000 companies with female CEOs: A potential return of 348 percent, nearly triple the gain of Standard & Poor's 500 companies.43 Another analysis found that during the downturn of 2007–09, U.S. corporations with women on their boards performed better, partly because of lower debt levels. Profit growth averaged 14 percent over six years, compared with 10 percent for companies with all-male boards, according to the Credit Suisse study.44 Companies with women in senior posts or on boards also have fewer governance-related scandals including bribery, corruption and fraud.

No, but isn't that the entire point? GENDER difference?

What I see (and I admit this is completely anecdotal) is a number of up and coming women leaders dropping out temporarily to have kids and are given Maternity leave and their place guaranteed when they return and some do return. Some don't. Of those that do a large percentage of them start reducing hours either in taking up Part time roles or doing set hours. Those that do come back are often not willing to make work their life like so many of their male counterparts. Some absolutely do and start getting back to where they left back and fit the family things in edgeways like so many of their male counterparts.

I do not say that these things are praise-worthy. I believe if you become a politician you need to necessarily sacrifice your values and if you become a manager you need to sacrifice your life to work. I think it is a Faustian Bargain that women are not as keen to make....in general. Same as women doing the dangerous, remote, dirty, physically destroying jobs. You WILL find women in this role but they are few and far between because it is a choice and one they choose not to make for the same reasons - the extra pay is not worth the sacrifice they would be making.

None of this I find the least bit objectionable. I personally am reasonably risk averse and nor would I give up my life to work any more than the unpaid overtime I put in already. The only thing I find objectionable is that when grown adults make informed choices that this is now used as a blunt instrument to beat a narrative about inequality. Everyone has equality of choice not equality of outcome and with every choice comes rewards and disadvantages. If women through informed and honest choice do get some tangible benefits and more balance and less stress and less risk...I say that is a good choice for them BUT that comes with forgoing extra pay. Men, if they choose these positions with extra pay, have no reason to then complain that they have no freedom and balance.



Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Pyraxis on December 11, 2017, 08:40:04 AM
None of this I find the least bit objectionable. I personally am reasonably risk averse and nor would I give up my life to work any more than the unpaid overtime I put in already.

If it's unpaid it's probably not affecting the surveys.  :P

The only thing I find objectionable is that when grown adults make informed choices that this is now used as a blunt instrument to beat a narrative about inequality. Everyone has equality of choice not equality of outcome and with every choice comes rewards and disadvantages. If women through informed and honest choice do get some tangible benefits and more balance and less stress and less risk...I say that is a good choice for them BUT that comes with forgoing extra pay. Men, if they choose these positions with extra pay, have no reason to then complain that they have no freedom and balance.

Ok that's a really good point. I did see a lot of calls in these articles for quotas, but I don't think that's the best answer.

One thing that's happening in this part of the world is paternity leave is becoming more of an equal thing. Women are still guaranteed a set amount of time off for dealing with the physical repercussions of pregnancy, but beyond that, there is a specified amount of time which can be split among the spouses however they choose. Giving men more freedom if they do want to choose family. I still hear guys ribbing each other at work about how much paternity leave they took - haven't heard that directed at a woman yet - but it does lay some groundwork for culture change.

Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Al Swearegen on December 11, 2017, 03:34:05 PM
None of this I find the least bit objectionable. I personally am reasonably risk averse and nor would I give up my life to work any more than the unpaid overtime I put in already.

If it's unpaid it's probably not affecting the surveys.  :P

The only thing I find objectionable is that when grown adults make informed choices that this is now used as a blunt instrument to beat a narrative about inequality. Everyone has equality of choice not equality of outcome and with every choice comes rewards and disadvantages. If women through informed and honest choice do get some tangible benefits and more balance and less stress and less risk...I say that is a good choice for them BUT that comes with forgoing extra pay. Men, if they choose these positions with extra pay, have no reason to then complain that they have no freedom and balance.

Ok that's a really good point. I did see a lot of calls in these articles for quotas, but I don't think that's the best answer.

One thing that's happening in this part of the world is paternity leave is becoming more of an equal thing. Women are still guaranteed a set amount of time off for dealing with the physical repercussions of pregnancy, but beyond that, there is a specified amount of time which can be split among the spouses however they choose. Giving men more freedom if they do want to choose family. I still hear guys ribbing each other at work about how much paternity leave they took - haven't heard that directed at a woman yet - but it does lay some groundwork for culture change.

Paternity leave will always work best when women and men can take their leave off together. House husbands do exist and admittedly probably more than lady high rise window washers but trying to swing the culture to a point where men will not feel a driving need to be the breadwinner is going to be a long road.
Title: Re: Islam is a dangerous, fanatical religion
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on February 28, 2018, 07:47:40 PM
That was either the gullibility meter or the dishonesty meter breaking, folks.


... or the just making shit up as you go along meter.