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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Leto729 on December 21, 2009, 09:06:32 PM
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Even during this recession.
http://midco.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9CNU1NO0%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1011&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCL1_UNEWS
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That's an interesting article, Kevv.
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That's because ghetto whores keep getting abortions. Their fetuses never grow up into criminals.
Read Freakonomics. Abortion is the only stat that follows crime 100%. Look at how crime ridden most Catholic countries are.
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That's because ghetto whores keep getting abortions. Their fetuses never grow up into criminals.
Read Freakonomics. Abortion is the only stat that follows crime 100%. Look at how crime ridden most Catholic countries are.
Well if one is forced to raise a kid you never wanted or cannot raise properly (as in neglect), it bound to have a negative impact on the kid's upbringing. You know, all these anti-abortion people should be forced to adopt unwanted children and let's see how long it takes before they change their minds lol.
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Were my financial situation better and were I not to have been able to have kids of my own I would maybe have considered this. I have two kids though and happy with them.
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I used to be a pro-lifer then I got a clue :thumbup:
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I used to be a pro-lifer then I got a clue :thumbup:
Same here!! :2thumbsup:
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That's because ghetto whores keep getting abortions. Their fetuses never grow up into criminals.
Read Freakonomics. Abortion is the only stat that follows crime 100%. Look at how crime ridden most Catholic countries are.
Well if one is forced to raise a kid you never wanted or cannot raise properly (as in neglect), it bound to have a negative impact on the kid's upbringing. You know, all these anti-abortion people should be forced to adopt unwanted children and let's see how long it takes before they change their minds lol.
A friend of mine is a "pro-life" Catholic who is raising an adopted Meth baby. The kid is only 4 and is already starting to to things like torture the pets and demolish things. This, despite the fact he was taken from his mother at birth.
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That's because ghetto whores keep getting abortions. Their fetuses never grow up into criminals.
Read Freakonomics. Abortion is the only stat that follows crime 100%. Look at how crime ridden most Catholic countries are.
Well if one is forced to raise a kid you never wanted or cannot raise properly (as in neglect), it bound to have a negative impact on the kid's upbringing. You know, all these anti-abortion people should be forced to adopt unwanted children and let's see how long it takes before they change their minds lol.
A friend of mine is a "pro-life" Catholic who is raising an adopted Meth baby. The kid is only 4 and is already starting to to things like torture the pets and demolish things. This, despite the fact he was taken from his mother at birth.
This is why I believe in Mercy killings, it'll do society and the child a favor. :indeed:
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That's because ghetto whores keep getting abortions. Their fetuses never grow up into criminals.
Read Freakonomics. Abortion is the only stat that follows crime 100%. Look at how crime ridden most Catholic countries are.
Well if one is forced to raise a kid you never wanted or cannot raise properly (as in neglect), it bound to have a negative impact on the kid's upbringing. You know, all these anti-abortion people should be forced to adopt unwanted children and let's see how long it takes before they change their minds lol.
A friend of mine is a "pro-life" Catholic who is raising an adopted Meth baby. The kid is only 4 and is already starting to to things like torture the pets and demolish things. This, despite the fact he was taken from his mother at birth.
This is why I believe in Mercy killings, it'll do society and the child a favor. :indeed:
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You mean kill a four year old child?
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That's because ghetto whores keep getting abortions. Their fetuses never grow up into criminals.
Read Freakonomics. Abortion is the only stat that follows crime 100%. Look at how crime ridden most Catholic countries are.
Well if one is forced to raise a kid you never wanted or cannot raise properly (as in neglect), it bound to have a negative impact on the kid's upbringing. You know, all these anti-abortion people should be forced to adopt unwanted children and let's see how long it takes before they change their minds lol.
A friend of mine is a "pro-life" Catholic who is raising an adopted Meth baby. The kid is only 4 and is already starting to to things like torture the pets and demolish things. This, despite the fact he was taken from his mother at birth.
In that case, nothing much can be done if the damage was already done in the fetal stage. Abortion would have being a better option back when the meth addict was pregnant.
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That's because ghetto whores keep getting abortions. Their fetuses never grow up into criminals.
Read Freakonomics. Abortion is the only stat that follows crime 100%. Look at how crime ridden most Catholic countries are.
Well if one is forced to raise a kid you never wanted or cannot raise properly (as in neglect), it bound to have a negative impact on the kid's upbringing. You know, all these anti-abortion people should be forced to adopt unwanted children and let's see how long it takes before they change their minds lol.
A friend of mine is a "pro-life" Catholic who is raising an adopted Meth baby. The kid is only 4 and is already starting to to things like torture the pets and demolish things. This, despite the fact he was taken from his mother at birth.
This is why I believe in Mercy killings, it'll do society and the child a favor. :indeed:
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You mean kill a four year old child?
Not in this specific I am just saying in general, people dying of a terminal illness should have the right to die by their own hand and be assisted in their suicide. They euthanize animals, why not humans?
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That's an interesting article, Kevv.
Yeah I thought so too.
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That's because ghetto whores keep getting abortions. Their fetuses never grow up into criminals.
Read Freakonomics. Abortion is the only stat that follows crime 100%. Look at how crime ridden most Catholic countries are.
Well if one is forced to raise a kid you never wanted or cannot raise properly (as in neglect), it bound to have a negative impact on the kid's upbringing. You know, all these anti-abortion people should be forced to adopt unwanted children and let's see how long it takes before they change their minds lol.
A friend of mine is a "pro-life" Catholic who is raising an adopted Meth baby. The kid is only 4 and is already starting to to things like torture the pets and demolish things. This, despite the fact he was taken from his mother at birth.
In that case, nothing much can be done if the damage was already done in the fetal stage. Abortion would have being a better option back when the meth addict was pregnant.
The woman who drives my daughter and and me to school used to be addicted to meth when she was younger.
She said that she quit cold turkey the day she found out that she was pregnant with her oldest daughter and threw away the $80 worth of meth she had bought the day before as well as everything to do with it and she has never used it since then. She said that it was probably the hardest thing she had ever done, but if anything had been wrong with her daughter because she took drugs while she was pregnant, she wouldn't have been able to forgive herself and she's glad her daughter's OK. She says that there are still times when she craves meth, but she knows if she used it even just one more time, she would wind up losing her children who are everything to her.
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Simple.
Times are tough, gas prices aren't cheap. Most crooks don't shit where they sleep (ie: steal from their neighbors). ;)
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Simple.
Times are tough, gas prices aren't cheap. Most crooks don't shit where they sleep (ie: steal from their neighbors). ;)
:plus: for rhyming philosophy. :thumbup:
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I'm still pro-life and I don't consider myself clueless at all. I also practice what a preach. My oldest came to be because I was raped. Lost my job, was a single parent, and there were so many layers of trauma to how he came to be and what I went through just to have him safely (had to go into hiding when I kicked the abusive asshole out, was on 24 hour bedrest bathroom privilages only from 12 weeks until I delivered him 2 months early) but I do a damn good job of being a parent. Sure life could have been easier if I had aborted but that will never be an option for me.
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I'm still pro-life and I don't consider myself clueless at all. I also practice what a preach. My oldest came to be because I was raped. Lost my job, was a single parent, and there were so many layers of trauma to how he came to be and what I went through just to have him safely (had to go into hiding when I kicked the abusive asshole out, was on 24 hour bedrest bathroom privilages only from 12 weeks until I delivered him 2 months early) but I do a damn good job of being a parent. Sure life could have been easier if I had aborted but that will never be an option for me.
I think there's a difference between being pro-life in your own personal life and what you would impose on others. As a guy, I have no choice but to be pro-choice, because I'm not exactly qualified to tell women how to use a vagina, since I'm only there to visit.
What you've done CG is comendable, but you're probably a notch above the average mother. Many of the ghetto trash ho's getting abortions have no business being parents.
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I'm still pro-life and I don't consider myself clueless at all. I also practice what a preach. My oldest came to be because I was raped. Lost my job, was a single parent, and there were so many layers of trauma to how he came to be and what I went through just to have him safely (had to go into hiding when I kicked the abusive asshole out, was on 24 hour bedrest bathroom privilages only from 12 weeks until I delivered him 2 months early) but I do a damn good job of being a parent. Sure life could have been easier if I had aborted but that will never be an option for me.
I think there's a difference between being pro-life in your own personal life and what you would impose on others. As a guy, I have no choice but to be pro-choice, because I'm not exactly qualified to tell women how to use a vagina, since I'm only there to visit.
What you've done CG is comendable, but you're probably a notch above the average mother. Many of the ghetto trash ho's getting abortions have no business being parents.
How much of this is depending on the country you are in? How big is the pressure of society to get a woman to abort a child, when in not too rosy circumstances, how much support can a woman get in these circumstances?
Is abortion truly the choice of the ghetto mum to be? I'm just wondering. What I get to see is only the occasional documentary. But there seems to be a big difference in numbers when it comes to unwanted pregnancies and abortions per country.
And kids, sprung from rape, in not too good conditions don't all end up wrong. Some even do amazingly well when grown up.
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I'm still pro-life and I don't consider myself clueless at all. I also practice what a preach. My oldest came to be because I was raped. Lost my job, was a single parent, and there were so many layers of trauma to how he came to be and what I went through just to have him safely (had to go into hiding when I kicked the abusive asshole out, was on 24 hour bedrest bathroom privilages only from 12 weeks until I delivered him 2 months early) but I do a damn good job of being a parent. Sure life could have been easier if I had aborted but that will never be an option for me.
I think there's a difference between being pro-life in your own personal life and what you would impose on others. As a guy, I have no choice but to be pro-choice, because I'm not exactly qualified to tell women how to use a vagina, since I'm only there to visit.
What you've done CG is comendable, but you're probably a notch above the average mother. Many of the ghetto trash ho's getting abortions have no business being parents.
How much of this is depending on the country you are in? How big is the pressure of society to get a woman to abort a child, when in not too rosy circumstances, how much support can a woman get in these circumstances?
Is abortion truly the choice of the ghetto mum to be? I'm just wondering. What I get to see is only the occasional documentary. But there seems to be a big difference in numbers when it comes to unwanted pregnancies and abortions per country.
And kids, sprung from rape, in not too good conditions don't all end up wrong. Some even do amazingly well when grown up.
Have you ever read the book Freakonomics?? While studying crime, the only statistic that follwed crime, throughout history, across cultures for which there was records, was abortion rates. As abortion rates go up, crime goes down. Romania is a perfect case-in-point. Abortion was outlawed there in 1966, and enforced by their secret police. Women were fined for NOT getting pregnant. 20 years later, the country was hit by a massive crime wave as these kids, who were mostly raised in orphanages, hit the streets.
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I'm still pro-life and I don't consider myself clueless at all. I also practice what a preach. My oldest came to be because I was raped. Lost my job, was a single parent, and there were so many layers of trauma to how he came to be and what I went through just to have him safely (had to go into hiding when I kicked the abusive asshole out, was on 24 hour bedrest bathroom privilages only from 12 weeks until I delivered him 2 months early) but I do a damn good job of being a parent. Sure life could have been easier if I had aborted but that will never be an option for me.
I'm pro-choice.
I respect and admire you for the decision you made to bear your son no matter how he was conceived and how difficult it was for you. I know that you are an absolutely outstanding mother both to him and his sister.
But I'm also very glad that it was your choice to make. There might be some other young woman in a similar situation who isn't as strong as you are and I think it should be her decision to carry the child to term or not just as I think it should be her decision to parent the child or not if she chooses to give birth to him.
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My mother came to be also because of rape.
My grandmother was raped by two men in the parking lot at a dance she went to with a friend. The friend went out to the parking lot with a guy she had met, my grandmother went to look for her.
My grandmother worked as a live-in maid in the city, she bound herself and hid her pregnancy, but she came home for Christmas and ended up going into labor early, my great-grandmother found out and made her keep the baby (she was going to put her up for adoption).
My mom's life wasn't easy, and there was alot of anger and resentment directed at her. She wonders alot how things would have turned out had she been adopted instead.
Had abortion been an available/safe option in 1945, I doubt my grandmother would have carried her at all. I guess I'm on the fence, personally myself I guess I'm pro-life, but I can respect those who choose otherwise, because unless I walk in their shoes I don't feel it's my right to make that decision for them.
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I am pro-choice for first trimester abortions
wtf my cat started eating my dinner as I typed this
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wtf my cat started eating my dinner as I typed this
You can never leave your plate unattended in this house. :laugh:
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I don't know what I am. Sounds silly, but it is like what Icequeen says, how can I decide for someone in who's situation I've never been?
I do have my doubts about how 'pro-choice' pro choice is though. If there is no support, no good childcare, and a lot of pressure from society to abort, hasn't the choice then been made by society already? Bit more subtle than the old restricted religious pressure to keep the child, or at least bring it into the world, but not leaving a free choice either.
For myself, think I would choose to keep a child, no matter what, but I've never been in the need to decide on that.
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Crime is no longer falling, it's going back up because police are no longer aggressively patrolling the inner cities.
It's called the Ferguson Effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_effect)
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Crime is going down in the US? then they'll have to find more things and acts to criminalize which previously weren't, find things to illegalize, so they can keep on supplying meat to the Big Prison business model once they start running short on prisoners. The US court system isn't about justice, it is about making money.
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Crime is no longer falling, it's going back up because police are no longer aggressively patrolling the inner cities.
It's called the Ferguson Effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_effect)
Meh, it takes a little jump back up every now and then, but the trend over the last twentyfive years is a declining trend and it's expected to continue that way.
Crime is going down in the US? then they'll have to find more things and acts to criminalize which previously weren't, find things to illegalize, so they can keep on supplying meat to the Big Prison business model once they start running short on prisoners. The US court system isn't about justice, it is about making money.
No problem. It's already a done deal. The rise in incarceration rates over the past twentyfive years almost mirrors the decline in violent crime.
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That is creepy.
Looks like a type of slavery to me.
Here crime is also falling, but that leads to prisons being locked down.
There were plans to let the Norwegian government hire empty prisons here, for their foreign prisoners.
*Wonders if they went through with that plan. *
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That is creepy.
Yes it is. Not even sure how many people even realize it.
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...I guess I'm pro-life, but I can respect those who choose otherwise, because unless I walk in their shoes I don't feel it's my right to make that decision for them.
8 years can change your viewpoint.
A year or so ago I was given a pregnancy test before having an xray done. I looked at the girl like she was high on crack. I said "I'm peri-menopausal FFS and I'm 48-49...and my tubes are tied." She was quick to inform me how often age doesn't matter and how having your tubes tied doesn't matter either..."I've seen it happen a LOT" she said...and laughed. I wanted to grab her by her head of long blonde hair and mop the floor with her...but thankfully...I was too sick.
I googled it later...and she was right. It happens. A LOT.
I am high risk...injections/oral birth control options were refused...shot down by my doctors due to potential medical risks...I had to fight tooth and nail just for them to finally tie my tubes after I almost died having my son...and after watching my son fight to live for 2 months after being born 3 months premature...all because of some factor in my blood that no one could find until shit went south. I was told it probably would happen again, only next time maybe worse...even with that shit written down on a paper from my hematologist in red...it still was a fight to sway my gyn....because "I might change my mind." ...or the best one..."what if your husband wants more children?" :roar:
My test from the crack smoking little blonde was negative, but all that time I THOUGHT I had my i's dotted and my t's crossed and it blew me AWAY, because IF the results had somehow been different, I know what my choice may have well been. In fact, I'm 90% certain what it would have been.
Personally, it no longer matters now thankfully, but I've come to realize I am definitely pro-choice...and more than willing to stand beside other women and fight for their right to be able to choose also.
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That is creepy.
Yes it is. Not even sure how many people even realize it.
What percentage of the USA population is incarcerated now?
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...I guess I'm pro-life, but I can respect those who choose otherwise, because unless I walk in their shoes I don't feel it's my right to make that decision for them.
8 years can change your viewpoint.
A year or so ago I was given a pregnancy test before having an xray done. I looked at the girl like she was high on crack. I said "I'm peri-menopausal FFS and I'm 48-49...and my tubes are tied." She was quick to inform me how often age doesn't matter and how having your tubes tied doesn't matter either..."I've seen it happen a LOT" she said...and laughed. I wanted to grab her by her head of long blonde hair and mop the floor with her...but thankfully...I was too sick.
I googled it later...and she was right. It happens. A LOT.
I am high risk...injections/oral birth control options were refused...shot down by my doctors due to potential medical risks...I had to fight tooth and nail just for them to finally tie my tubes after I almost died having my son...and after watching my son fight to live for 2 months after being born 3 months premature...all because of some factor in my blood that no one could find until shit went south. I was told it probably would happen again, only next time maybe worse...even with that shit written down on a paper from my hematologist in red...it still was a fight to sway my gyn....because "I might change my mind." ...or the best one..."what if your husband wants more children?" :roar:
My test from the crack smoking little blonde was negative, but all that time I THOUGHT I had my i's dotted and my t's crossed and it blew me AWAY, because IF the results had somehow been different, I know what my choice may have well been. In fact, I'm 90% certain what it would have been.
Personally, it no longer matters now thankfully, but I've come to realize I am definitely pro-choice...and more than willing to stand beside other women and fight for their right to be able to choose also.
It's strange how hard it is for women to get their tubes tied if they're under 35 and with less than three kids at least
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That is creepy.
Yes it is. Not even sure how many people even realize it.
What percentage of the USA population is incarcerated now?
.71%
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Wow. It's impressive.
A while ago it was around .5%, IIRC.
Does the main correlation seem to be privatisation of the prison system?
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Wow. It's impressive.
A while ago it was around .5%, IIRC.
Does the main correlation seem to be privatisation of the prison system?
The privatization of prisons was the solution to the overcrowding problem, and actually has a longer history than some might realize. Though modern day privatization became a common solution before the decline in crime rates began. When the government has difficulty funding and/or managing their own responsibilities, sometimes the solution is delegating to the private sector. Government funded low-income housing is a prime example, not only for private sector implementation of a government program, but also an example where it has proven to be more beneficial for the recipient. Though don't know enough about government funded privately owned penal institutions to give an opinion if it's of any benefit to prisoners or the overall concept of housing prisoners. Don't personally see a correlation with anything, or notice anyone else who sensibly does, so delving into the why of the matter behind rising incarceration rates would likely involve venturing into conspiracy theory territory.
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Not looking for conspiracy theories.
It's a weird correlation though. More prisoners when there is less crime.
(Taking it's not preemptive incarceration to explain the correlation. :smarty: )
Interesting in my country was that during an election time a series of parties tried to work on the fear factor. Lets make the Netherlands safe again. They did not know what to do with figures that crime rates where dropping and that the severity of crimes also was lessening over all. For them it was not interesting in the battle for votes, apart from getting votes from prison guards who were getting the sack.
Edit, to add smiley.
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It's a weird correlation though. More prisoners when there is less crime.
It is confusing, though my statement was specific to violent crime and not crime in general. The confusion may lie in analysis methods which falsely give the impression of less crime when in reality that isn't true. It's difficult to find reliably sourced overall crime stats for the US, because crime is analyzed by the government in a compartmentalized manner; primarily violent crime, property crime, cyber crime, and drug crime. Sometimes they overlap so that makes it impossible to simply combine those compartments into a reliable overall analysis. Individual trends for cyber and drug crime show increases which appear to agree with the incarceration rate. While data shows incarceration rates have been on the rise since the 20's, there's a remarkable escalation which began in the early 80's. The 80's mark the US beginning of the war on drugs, and with the 90s came the advent of widespread access to the internet. So while violent crime and property crime have been on the decline since the 90s, incarceration rate trends may simply show that crime rates in general have never been on the decline in the US.
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Thanks for encouraging me to think about that, Hyke.