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Title: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 10, 2008, 06:42:33 AM
"Present our apologies that your country or ip address has no opportunities to contact with our services.
The access to it is forbidden. Please, try later"

PharmaMedcis (http://www.pharmaenergy.com/)

Though I can reach it from an American IP without problems.



Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Peter on August 10, 2008, 06:56:59 AM
I can reach it from the UK.  Maybe the site blocked your country because it's illegal for them to ship there and they don't want the hassle of disappointed or confused customers.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 10, 2008, 07:08:13 AM
It's illegal to ship here, yes. Could it be that my country is c-o-w-a-r-d-l-y by any chance?
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 10, 2008, 07:09:44 AM
Drugs make people feel good. Ergo the oppressors don't want people to get them. If I use drugs that I pay for in my own home, it's my fucking business.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Parts on August 10, 2008, 07:38:40 AM
Canget it here but they don't have anything really good

Drugs make people feel good. Ergo the oppressors don't want people to get them. If I use drugs that I pay for in my own home, it's my fucking business.

I fully agree with on this one
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 10, 2008, 07:46:42 AM
I wouldn't pay those prices on that site, though it's not about that but about the principles. Internet censorship doesn't belong in a democracy.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Parts on August 10, 2008, 07:50:22 AM
I wouldn't pay those prices on that site, though it's not about that but about the principles. Internet censorship doesn't belong in a democracy.

I have no idea who much stuff costs e just pay a copay on our insurance on the RXs their prices did seem high
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 10, 2008, 07:53:56 AM
Wouldn't work here, though I can get much of the stuff legal here. I just don't accept that they censor the internet like that and for the sole purpose that people shouldn't get some mild opioids and benso.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 10, 2008, 08:49:33 AM
According to their FAQ they ship to my country but I'm not allowed to watch the site from an IP in my country. ::)
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 10, 2008, 10:57:17 AM
Its pretty pathetic of them, and I agree drugs should be legalised, if only to stop the crime that goes with them. Though what our government is planning on doing with the internet is more draconian...
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Parts on August 10, 2008, 12:51:35 PM
Its pretty pathetic of them, and I agree drugs should be legalised, if only to stop the crime that goes with them. Though what our government is planning on doing with the internet is more draconian...

What do they want to do?
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 10, 2008, 12:54:56 PM
Its pretty pathetic of them, and I agree drugs should be legalised, if only to stop the crime that goes with them. Though what our government is planning on doing with the internet is more draconian...

What do they want to do?

Probably the same as in Sweden: bug all citizens' internet traffic arbitrarily.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: IlluSionS667 on August 12, 2008, 06:16:39 AM
From Holland I do not have access. From Belgium I do.

Probably it's self-censorship based on the regulations of the country in question. I personally bother a lot more about the attempts of certain Western-European governments to ban the sale of certain products at websites like E-bay, to exclude certain websites from Google searches and/or to force ISPs to take certain websites down because of politically sensitive content. Those are truely comparable with the censorship of the Chinese government. It's so hypocritical and pathetic of "human rights" organisations to whine about China and ignore very simpilar forms of state censorship in Western-European "democracies".
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: odeon on August 12, 2008, 12:47:22 PM
According to their FAQ they ship to my country but I'm not allowed to watch the site from an IP in my country. ::)

But it's them doing the blocking, not your ISP, right?
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: odeon on August 12, 2008, 12:49:26 PM
From Holland I do not have access. From Belgium I do.

Probably it's self-censorship based on the regulations of the country in question. I personally bother a lot more about the attempts of certain Western-European governments to ban the sale of certain products at websites like E-bay, to exclude certain websites from Google searches and/or to force ISPs to take certain websites down because of politically sensitive content. Those are truely comparable with the censorship of the Chinese government. It's so hypocritical and pathetic of "human rights" organisations to whine about China and ignore very simpilar forms of state censorship in Western-European "democracies".

But this is not Swedish or European censorship, it's the company/organisation/whatever that is doing it, based on a simple IP lookup.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 12, 2008, 01:09:24 PM
According to their FAQ they ship to my country but I'm not allowed to watch the site from an IP in my country. ::)

But it's them doing the blocking, not your ISP, right?

Sure, but it's not 100% unrealistic that the government made them do it. My ISP hardly did.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: odeon on August 12, 2008, 01:12:10 PM
I doubt it. This seems to be their idea, considering that Sweden is not the only country they block.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Callaway on August 13, 2008, 12:25:52 AM
According to their FAQ they ship to my country but I'm not allowed to watch the site from an IP in my country. ::)

But it's them doing the blocking, not your ISP, right?

Sure, but it's not 100% unrealistic that the government made them do it. My ISP hardly did.

I don't think that would be a government thing.

If they can't ship to your country if you ordered anything, then what is the point of looking at what you can't buy anyway?

You can't even buy some stuff there that is OTC here, and most of that stuff looked like it was prescription drugs.

I sort of know how you feel, though.  There is an aspie site that you can see but I can't because I have an American IP address and they block American IP addresses.  I wanted to follow some link there, I was annoyed that I couldn't, and I felt like it was censorship.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 13, 2008, 12:36:21 AM
Hey Delusionist, they saw you coming; that's why they blocked you. As I said, you aren't Poirot, so you ahve no charm, wit, style or brains. So if even a pharmaceutical company can see what a prat you are, and Sir Les and I can, it satnds to reason that a Belgian from up the Congo should get his arse whupped by them. As for Holland, they are known to be a bunch of drug crazed weirdos  Maybe they should change their name to the Nether-regions, given what dicks they are.............

Pass the Dutchie to the left hand side.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: IlluSionS667 on August 13, 2008, 03:09:40 AM
Like I said, it's probablty SELF-CENSORSHIP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship

Again, you illustrate your inability to read what's actually being written. Otherwise, you would have realised you're just repeating what I already said.

From Holland I do not have access. From Belgium I do.

Probably it's self-censorship based on the regulations of the country in question. I personally bother a lot more about the attempts of certain Western-European governments to ban the sale of certain products at websites like E-bay, to exclude certain websites from Google searches and/or to force ISPs to take certain websites down because of politically sensitive content. Those are truely comparable with the censorship of the Chinese government. It's so hypocritical and pathetic of "human rights" organisations to whine about China and ignore very simpilar forms of state censorship in Western-European "democracies".

But this is not Swedish or European censorship, it's the company/organisation/whatever that is doing it, based on a simple IP lookup.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Lucifer on August 13, 2008, 05:09:10 AM

Pass the Dutchie to the left hand side.

:LMAO:

 :plus:
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: thepeaguy on August 13, 2008, 05:39:56 AM
It's illegal to ship here, yes. Could it be that my country is c-o-w-a-r-d-l-y by any chance?

LOL, Cowards!
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 13, 2008, 05:42:37 AM
I don't think that would be a government thing.

If they can't ship to your country if you ordered anything, then what is the point of looking at what you can't buy anyway?

You can't even buy some stuff there that is OTC here, and most of that stuff looked like it was prescription drugs.

I sort of know how you feel, though.  There is an aspie site that you can see but I can't because I have an American IP address and they block American IP addresses.  I wanted to follow some link there, I was annoyed that I couldn't, and I felt like it was censorship.

The thing is: it's not illegal to buy the stuff there. I've checked. The drugs there are class IV and V; those can legally be imported without a prescription as long as it's for your private use up to not more than 1 year and the capsules/tablets don't contain more than the maximum allowed dosage in Sweden, which they don't. Sweden is vilolating its own laws as usual.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 13, 2008, 05:43:31 AM
It's illegal to ship here, yes. Could it be that my country is c-o-w-a-r-d-l-y by any chance?

LOL, Cowards!

EDIT: I've checked it out; it's not illegal, which makes it even more cowardly (and criminal) to inhibit people from buying there.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: odeon on August 13, 2008, 06:01:03 AM
Like I said, it's probablty SELF-CENSORSHIP.

Ah, so you did. You can have this point since it means so much to you.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Parts on August 13, 2008, 06:05:49 AM
You should see how much this place used to sell before the government clamped down on DIY chemistry and firework making.  All watered down now see if you can  access it from your country http://www.unitednuclear.com/
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 13, 2008, 06:19:16 AM
You should see how much this place used to sell before the government clamped down on DIY chemistry and firework making.  All watered down now see if you can  access it from your country http://www.unitednuclear.com/

I know the site very well, since I've found many pyrotechnical advices and recipes there. ;) The most ridiculous thing is that it's forbidden to ship oversea. You could almost think it was a Swedish rule. How could it harm the US to send chemicals outside the US? ::)

Chemicals are actually not that regulated in Sweden, except for strong acids and poisons and drug precursors. Though in Germany you can buy almost anything if you just guarantee that you won't use it for illegal purposes. I've checked it out. I've also found out that you can buy stuff from Poland. Maybe worth the while to take a trip to Poland and the Czech Republic. 8)
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: odeon on August 13, 2008, 06:28:20 AM
Chemicals can be used for considerable harm for the US, as far as I understand. that is their reasoning, at least. It's the same with various technologies. Isn't PGP still illegal there, at least with 128-bit encryption?
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 13, 2008, 06:49:44 AM
Chemicals can be used for considerable harm for the US, as far as I understand. that is their reasoning, at least. It's the same with various technologies. Isn't PGP still illegal there, at least with 128-bit encryption?

Those chemicals sold by United Nuclear were hardly first of choice chemicals for terrorists. And banning the sell of them ovserseas is ridiculous, since they're probably available in any country overseas where a terrorist attack against US targets is likely. I spoke with an Arab on Youtube some weeks ago. He had no problems getting chemicals for bombs, if he wanted to, though this was a West-friendly university man...

Encryption is illegal in France at least. Don't know about the US.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: odeon on August 13, 2008, 07:43:10 AM
/shrugs

I'm sure they do it to annoy you.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Parts on August 13, 2008, 02:20:24 PM
Most of the chemicals you can't get there anymore are the oxidizers you need to make fireworks.  If you know where to look and have a tax ID showing you are a business they are still available just UN was convenient and some of the stuff there is still very dangerous I can still buy thermite  for fucks sake
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: odeon on August 13, 2008, 02:30:22 PM
-CENSORED-

 :zoinks:
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 13, 2008, 10:46:04 PM
Maybe that's where Adam & Jamie get their stuff to blow up Buster with.

Go you Mythbusters!!
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 13, 2008, 11:40:41 PM
Most of the chemicals you can't get there anymore are the oxidizers you need to make fireworks.  If you know where to look and have a tax ID showing you are a business they are still available just UN was convenient and some of the stuff there is still very dangerous I can still buy thermite  for fucks sake

Thermite is easily made. Fine aluminium dust and iron(III)oxide. You can buy that stuff here perfectly legal without a permit. You don't even have to be 18.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 14, 2008, 02:03:36 AM
Most of the chemicals you can't get there anymore are the oxidizers you need to make fireworks.  If you know where to look and have a tax ID showing you are a business they are still available just UN was convenient and some of the stuff there is still very dangerous I can still buy thermite  for fucks sake
Its not too difficult to buy fireworks and get it out though I suspect...
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 14, 2008, 02:12:56 AM
Most of the chemicals you can't get there anymore are the oxidizers you need to make fireworks.  If you know where to look and have a tax ID showing you are a business they are still available just UN was convenient and some of the stuff there is still very dangerous I can still buy thermite  for fucks sake
Its not too difficult to buy fireworks and get it out though I suspect...

Fireworks containing up to 1 kilo of powder are free here, except for aerial shells. Firecrackers are banned, though. The government prefers that the kids make aceton peroxide bombs instead and blow their fingers off (or kill themselves, which has also happened a couple of times). The lobby of dog owners succeeded in getting firecrackers banned in 2001.  ::)
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 14, 2008, 02:20:13 AM
Homemade explosives are very popular in Eastern Europe.  8)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o5rd6qIviS8
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 14, 2008, 02:23:39 AM
Crazy Poles blowing up 53.5 kilos of ammonium nitrate (more than 100 lbs).  :green:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zV86hPBoIYc
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 14, 2008, 02:58:35 AM
Most of the chemicals you can't get there anymore are the oxidizers you need to make fireworks.  If you know where to look and have a tax ID showing you are a business they are still available just UN was convenient and some of the stuff there is still very dangerous I can still buy thermite  for fucks sake
Its not too difficult to buy fireworks and get it out though I suspect...

Fireworks containing up to 1 kilo of powder are free here, except for aerial shells. Firecrackers are banned, though. The government prefers that the kids make aceton peroxide bombs instead and blow their fingers off (or kill themselves, which has also happened a couple of times). The lobby of dog owners succeeded in getting firecrackers banned in 2001.  ::)
Firecrackers I agree with banning, over here the scum who misuse them are too thick to make something else, thank fuck. Explosives are always going to be easy to make by someone intelligent and with a bit of knowledge, whats key is making sure idiots cant make them, or at least make it difficult for them...
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 14, 2008, 03:20:48 AM
The main reason crackers were banned here in the 70s was too many dipshits were letting them off in other kids pants. It'd be a case of 'Blew Cock Off', rather.....
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: ApotheosisIV on August 14, 2008, 05:05:11 AM
The main reason crackers were banned here in the 70s was too many dipshits were letting them off in other kids pants. It'd be a case of 'Blew Cock Off', rather.....

 :kevv:
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 14, 2008, 05:13:01 AM
The Swedish firecrackers held only 0.8 grams of black powder ever since I was a child. They literally couldn't blow a cock off. A "film can bomb" with 25-30 grams can easily kill you or blow your whole groin into rags... Legal Austrian and Swiss firecrackers can kill you, though.
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 14, 2008, 05:15:11 AM
The Swedish firecrackers held only 0.8 grams of black powder ever since I was a child. They literally couldn't blow a cock off. A "film can bomb" with 25-30 grams can easily kill you or blow your whole groin into rags... Legal Austrian and Swiss firecrackers can kill you, though.
Some of the stuff we have still reasonably easily accessible in the UK is lethal, fireworkwise. Asda sell some whopping great fireworks...
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: TheoK on August 14, 2008, 05:19:41 AM
I think they've banned the 4" mortars from this year on just because some drunk idiots were killed by looking down into the muzzle when the fuse was lit. Then only 3" will be allowed. Cowards.  :grrr:
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: Christopher McCandless on August 14, 2008, 05:44:48 AM
I think they've banned the 4" mortars from this year on just because some drunk idiots were killed by looking down into the muzzle when the fuse was lit. Then only 3" will be allowed. Cowards.  :grrr:
Lets guess, drunk people cannot light two 3" mortars instead? Idiots...
Title: Re: Censorship on the internet or Do I live in commie China?
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 14, 2008, 09:49:47 PM
On a side note, have any of you wondered if Phelps and some of the others are on steroids or other drugs? Nobody is that good that they can smash Olympic and World records while not being in the hunt 50 metres from home. He has to be getting help from somewhere, ans well as certain others. We know the Chinese have been accused of taking drugs, as well as the Russians and other Europeans; surely the Americans wouldn't be that squeaky clean? Given that they'd have the technology to mask it. Also, it must be asked if fielding a $50,000,000 basketball team is in the spirit of the games. I don't believe there is any room for professionals in what was primarily an amateur sporting comp. Nor should tennis be alloowed if these buggers are making millions out of it as well. I really think Tamsyn Lewis is spot on with her assessment of having to race against cheats.