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Title: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 24, 2008, 04:05:26 PM
"Yesterday, Paul Little (a.k.a. Max Hardcore) was convicted on 10 counts of distributing obscene materials. (source) The short version: Consenting adults decided to make a movie. Consenting adults starred in the movie. Consenting adults bought the movie. Nevertheless, your government decided that someone should go to prison for it.

And yesterday, twelve of the dumbest motherfuckers in Florida bent the Constitution over and fucked it in the ass.

I don’t like Max Hardcore’s movies. You probably wouldn’t either. I have exercised my right to watch something else, but I certainly don’t mind if my neighbors want to watch his movies. That is what freedom is.

Today, you are less free because of a sleazeball administration and twelve of Florida’s most moronic citizens."

Max Hardcore Convicted (http://randazza.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/max-hardcore-convicted/)

Absurd and arbitrary law and, as far as I can understand, against the 1st Amendment.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: DirtDawg on July 24, 2008, 05:42:41 PM
I've never heard of him. How about a brief synopsis of the the highlights that got him convicted.

Seriously, though, how much "uglier'  or more "offensive" (or what ever?!?) could it be than what much of the rest of the porn industry distributes.

... or did he pay off the members of the court to convict him as a promotional ploy?
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 24, 2008, 05:56:34 PM
I've never heard of him. How about a brief synopsis of the the highlights that got him convicted.

Seriously, though, how much "uglier'  or more "offensive" (or what ever?!?) could it be than what much of the rest of the porn industry distributes.

... or did he pay off the members of the court to convict him as a promotional ploy?

That's odd. He's very well known in Europe, but not in America. ???

Short description from his own website: Who the Hell is Max Hardcore?

"Max Hardcore entered the porn scene in 1990. As a photographer in Key West, Florida, Max enjoyed tricking tourist girls into posing  for him on the beach, his goal was to get them naked for his camera, and making private fuck videos with him. Max was a porn fan then, but was unsatisfied with what he saw in adult movies of the time.  So Max moved to Los Angeles to make his style of hard-core fuck films, nastier and more vulgar than ever before seen! 

Starting with making loops for Bobby Hollander's famous Mr. Peepers series in 1991, Max soon established a unique identity. He then created his own series, the award winning AnalVision line, and went on to produce 28 volumes, and launch the career of many well know starlets including Vixxxen and Tammi Ann. Max also did the only anal scene with superstar Tammi Monroe.

Max’s next big break came early in 1992, when he created The Anal Adventures of Max Hardcore. When it was first released, even industry veterans were shocked, and several distributors refused to carry the line. Max would pick sluts young and old, and use their fuck-holes for his own pleasure, while degrading and humiliating them.

The next milestone for Max came in early 1994 when Max shocked the establishment again with his Cherry Poppers series. Breaking new ground, and old rules, portraying innocent young girls with pig-tails and hairless pussies submitting to disgustingly vile treatment!

In 1995 Max created of Hardcore Schoolgirls, with even stronger and more unmerciful treatment of the young things Max would pick up and sexually degrade! The series was so harsh that it was banned in the U.S. and Sweden in 1997!

As Max’s began to travel to find new girls, he launched Max World, which took Max and his crew to Paris, Germany, Amsterdam, the Cannes Film Festival, the Monaco Grand Prix, Rio de Janeiro, and Sao Paulo Brazil.

During these years Max also developed new and unique methods of sexual mistreatment. Among other things, Max pioneered Throat Fucking, Splatter Cam, the Pile Diver, Anal Gaping, and the misuse of medical speculums! 

Max releases two new movies each month, and is the only US director to make a 'Euro' version of his movies, where the girls get fist-fucked and guzzle his piss!  His current lines include Planet Max, Extreme Schoolgirls, Pure Max, Universal Max, and The Max Faktor.

It just keeps on getting better for the loyal fans of this most unique performer and director. As Max says, ‘The best is yet to come!’

Max has a huge website, and releases dozens of new movies each year, with gorgeous girls getting anally & throat-drilled, fist-fucked, and guzzling his piss.  Max has clearly changed the way porn is made, and re-written the rules in over 300 movies since 1990.

Max is the award winning creator of  Cherry Poppers, Max Extreme, Hardcore Schoolgirls, Max World, Anal Auditions, Planet Max, Golden Guzzlers, Pure Max, The Max Faktor, Extreme Schoolgirls, and Fists of Fury.

Max’s girls are like no others. Adorable dolls with shaved slits and slim bodies.  They wear cute outfits, ponytails, high heels, and talk right to you as they get savagely sodomized - often for the first time.  It’s hard to believe that such innocent looking girls will submit to these vile perversions.

Max also shoots classy broads who think they know what's going on - until they get their throats and asses reamed by Max!

Max fucks chicks he finds the way you like to - getting cute cunts on his couch.  Using their tight holes to pleasure his stiff cock.  Max turns ordinary teens and mother's alike into piss and cum-splattered sluts before your eyes.

Max wastes no time, gagging girls on his cock and pissing down their throats before he even learns their email addresses!  Max is the originator of rectal-boring action - gaping assholes, and fisting cunts.

Max also uses speculums to pry-open their fuck-holes so you can look deep inside. He’ll spray his cum and piss into the gaping tunnels, even making them drink it out of their ass!  Whether its naïve teen or classy broad, Max delivers the same ruthless treatment.

If you've never seen Max Hardcore in action, and you’re into really hardcore sex, then check out Max Hardcore and see what you’ve been missing."

He's been charged and on trials many times before but always been freed. This time, however, it seems like the moralists, that he has provoked for so long, have finally gotten him.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 24, 2008, 06:10:58 PM
Is it that odd to piss on people in an American porn movie? In Germany they have piss scenes in every second movie...???
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Parts on July 24, 2008, 06:11:46 PM
It's Florida what do you expect
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 24, 2008, 06:14:22 PM
It's Florida what do you expect

Better than this. This would never happen in Europe. How can it be up to every jury in every community in the US to decide whats (too) obscene or not?

What's so wrong about Florida btw?
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Alex179 on July 24, 2008, 07:01:37 PM
I have seen him cum in a woman's anus, and had her fart it out into a cup and then drink the cum.   He tries to be really nasty and degrading, that is all.  I don't really care for his videos.   He insults the women while he fucks them too.

Florida has a good deal of conservatives in power at the moment.   Usually conservatives despise anything that is deemed degrading to women, and Max Hardcore would definitely fill that bill in their eyes.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 24, 2008, 07:05:43 PM
Here's a picture of the hero:

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Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Pyraxis on July 24, 2008, 07:58:19 PM
I wouldn't call him a hero.  :P
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Callaway on July 24, 2008, 11:48:33 PM
I read that the jury watched several hours of his porn before reaching their decision.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Peter on July 25, 2008, 03:39:21 AM
I read that the jury watched several hours of his porn before reaching their decision.

So porn really does rot your brain and pervert your values then?
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Peter on July 25, 2008, 03:42:20 AM
He's been charged and on trials many times before but always been freed. This time, however, it seems like the moralists, that he has provoked for so long, have finally gotten him.

I wonder what it was that changed the outcome this time.  Maybe he's sitting in his jail cell thinking "Damn, I knew the double-twister oral shit-driver was pushing it too far, but I just couldn't help myself,".
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 25, 2008, 05:59:33 AM
He's been charged and on trials many times before but always been freed. This time, however, it seems like the moralists, that he has provoked for so long, have finally gotten him.

I wonder what it was that changed the outcome this time.  Maybe he's sitting in his jail cell thinking "Damn, I knew the double-twister oral shit-driver was pushing it too far, but I just couldn't help myself,".

As I've understood it, Florida has as double moral standards as Victorian England. Most of the drugs in the US is coming in that way and the mafia is strong there. Prostitution too. On the other hand the "conservatives" are banning films like Max's.

He consciously provoked society over and over again, and finally the Bush administration decided to bust him. He was trapped, by the way. A government agent ordered some movies by mail, that were for the European market (he makes special movies with piss and more brutal scenes for Europe only).

He's not in a cell yet, by the way. He's free on bail, though he can't leave the US and he can't leave California, where he lives, without permission. The verdict will come in September. If he gets jail, he will appeal.

Here's another picture of him, an oil painting! He likes the cowboy image of himself:

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Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 25, 2008, 06:03:42 AM
I read that the jury watched several hours of his porn before reaching their decision.

I don't get it at all. In Europe there would maybe be some censorship authority banning or censoring parts of the movies, like they've done to some of Rocco Siffredi's films, but it would never go to court, unless it was about child pornography or real rape or abuse of the actors. ???
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Callaway on July 25, 2008, 02:11:16 PM
I read that the jury watched several hours of his porn before reaching their decision.

I don't get it at all. In Europe there would maybe be some censorship authority banning or censoring parts of the movies, like they've done to some of Rocco Siffredi's films, but it would never go to court, unless it was about child pornography or real rape or abuse of the actors. ???

I looked to see if I could find more unbiased information about the case, but the fact that the jury spent hours watching his porn was pretty much what I could find.

Here is news of the indictment:

Quote from: http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2007/May/07_crm_393.html
Producer Paul Little Indicted on Obscenity Charges

WASHINGTON – A Hollywood director and producer, along with an entertainment company, have been indicted on obscenity charges, Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney James R. Klindt for the Middle District of Florida announced today.

The 10-count indictment returned May 17, 2007, in Tampa and unsealed yesterday charges Paul F. Little, a/k/a Max Hardcore, 50, of Altadena, Calif., and MaxWorld Entertainment Inc., with five counts of transporting obscene matter by use of an interactive computer service and five counts of mailing obscene matter. Little is a nationally-known director, producer and star of films featuring acts such as anal penetration, urination, insertion of an entire hand into a vagina or anus, vomiting, and severe violence towards the female performers participating in the acts. The indictment alleges that Little, through MaxWorld Entertainment, Inc., distributed films that met the U.S. Supreme Court’s standards for obscenity through the U.S. mail to an address located in the Middle District of Florida. The defendants are also charged with transmitting over the Internet through their Web site five obscene video clips which were promotional trailers of the full-length feature films available through MaxWorld Entertainment Inc.

Little surrendered to authorities yesterday in the Central District of California. His arraignment is scheduled for July 12 at U.S. District Court in the Middle District of Florida. The government is seeking forfeiture of the obscene films charged in the indictment, all gross profits from the distribution of the films, and all property used to facilitate the charged obscenity crimes, including Little’s residence in Altadena, Calif., and the Internet domain names maxhardcore.com, pissedonpornstars.com, and catalinaxxx.com.

If he mailed obscene videos to an address in the US and these videos were only appropriate for the European market, then he is probably guilty of what he has been accused of.  He never should have sent them, even if someone in the US ordered them.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Parts on July 25, 2008, 02:18:23 PM
It will all be thrown out eventually only the lawyers make out in these things
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 25, 2008, 02:29:09 PM
I hope he will be freed. He's a true hero. 8)
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: DirtDawg on July 25, 2008, 04:01:34 PM


If he mailed obscene videos to an address in the US and these videos were only appropriate for the European market, then he is probably guilty of what he has been accused of.  He never should have sent them, even if someone in the US ordered them.


Very true. A business must operate within the various laws inherent to lands where the business is conducted. This is most especially true of international businesses. These laws extend to any imports and even include distribution of Disney movies, which may still be available in China, for instance, but are "out of print" or "unavailable" for markets in the USA.



I wonder; is this the guy who Litigious posted a couple of pics from, which pictured guys pissing on pornstars?  Maybe I have heard of the guy, after all, thanks to the ever expansive and comprehensive resource that is Intensity2.

:D
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 25, 2008, 04:11:33 PM
Wouldn't that be a crime against some business law or monopoly rather than the Miller law?

Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: DirtDawg on July 25, 2008, 04:25:44 PM

... and possibly a reduced sentence would result? I don't know.

I don't really give a shit about porn, but I have mixed feelings about the Miller Law. I question its constitutionality in the USA, but I can also see how some people might feel that porn should not be on every street corner, too.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 25, 2008, 04:36:53 PM

... and possibly a reduced sentence would result? I don't know.

I don't really give a shit about porn, but I have mixed feelings about the Miller Law. I question its constitutionality in the USA, but I can also see how some people might feel that porn should not be on every street corner, too.

As far as I understand, the law is unconstitutional. And no-one shoves the porn in your face, do they? 
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: DirtDawg on July 25, 2008, 05:33:47 PM

... and possibly a reduced sentence would result? I don't know.

I don't really give a shit about porn, but I have mixed feelings about the Miller Law. I question its constitutionality in the USA, but I can also see how some people might feel that porn should not be on every street corner, too.

As far as I understand, the law is unconstitutional. And no-one shoves the porn in your face, do they? 

Well, yeah. In certain areas of the Big City the merchants DO most definitely shove porn in your face, but you can choose to leave or stay. Those are not residential areas of the city.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on July 25, 2008, 05:52:19 PM

... and possibly a reduced sentence would result? I don't know.

I don't really give a shit about porn, but I have mixed feelings about the Miller Law. I question its constitutionality in the USA, but I can also see how some people might feel that porn should not be on every street corner, too.

As far as I understand, the law is unconstitutional. And no-one shoves the porn in your face, do they? 

Well, yeah. In certain areas of the Big City the merchants DO most definitely shove porn in your face, but you can choose to leave or stay. Those are not residential areas of the city.

Ever been in Hamburg? The hookers practically try to drag you into the brothels. Same thing in Amsterdam. And porn is everywhere in those districts of the cities. 8)
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Peter on July 26, 2008, 02:17:41 AM
only the lawyers make out in these things

So, this is one of his niche movies?
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Alex179 on July 26, 2008, 02:27:54 AM
only the lawyers make out in these things

So, this is one of his niche movies?
As long as he finds enough lawyers who want to lick their own shit off of his cock, then yes.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: ApotheosisIV on August 04, 2008, 12:29:05 PM
I'm not a fan of his 'work'.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on August 04, 2008, 01:04:20 PM
Most people aren't.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Teejay on August 09, 2008, 06:46:18 AM
"Yesterday, Paul Little (a.k.a. Max Hardcore) was convicted on 10 counts of distributing obscene materials. (source) The short version: Consenting adults decided to make a movie. Consenting adults starred in the movie. Consenting adults bought the movie. Nevertheless, your government decided that someone should go to prison for it.

And yesterday, twelve of the dumbest motherfuckers in Florida bent the Constitution over and fucked it in the ass.

I don’t like Max Hardcore’s movies. You probably wouldn’t either. I have exercised my right to watch something else, but I certainly don’t mind if my neighbors want to watch his movies. That is what freedom is.

Today, you are less free because of a sleazeball administration and twelve of Florida’s most moronic citizens."

Max Hardcore Convicted (http://randazza.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/max-hardcore-convicted/)

Absurd and arbitrary law and, as far as I can understand, against the 1st Amendment.

The judges are perfectly within their constitutional rights, free speech only applies to freedom of political discourse.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Peter on August 09, 2008, 06:52:34 AM
"Yesterday, Paul Little (a.k.a. Max Hardcore) was convicted on 10 counts of distributing obscene materials. (source) The short version: Consenting adults decided to make a movie. Consenting adults starred in the movie. Consenting adults bought the movie. Nevertheless, your government decided that someone should go to prison for it.

And yesterday, twelve of the dumbest motherfuckers in Florida bent the Constitution over and fucked it in the ass.

I don’t like Max Hardcore’s movies. You probably wouldn’t either. I have exercised my right to watch something else, but I certainly don’t mind if my neighbors want to watch his movies. That is what freedom is.

Today, you are less free because of a sleazeball administration and twelve of Florida’s most moronic citizens."

Max Hardcore Convicted (http://randazza.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/max-hardcore-convicted/)

Absurd and arbitrary law and, as far as I can understand, against the 1st Amendment.

The judges are perfectly within their constitutional rights, free speech only applies to freedom of political discourse.

So it would be legal if the models had the communist manifesto tattooed onto their bodies?
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on August 09, 2008, 06:56:45 AM
"Yesterday, Paul Little (a.k.a. Max Hardcore) was convicted on 10 counts of distributing obscene materials. (source) The short version: Consenting adults decided to make a movie. Consenting adults starred in the movie. Consenting adults bought the movie. Nevertheless, your government decided that someone should go to prison for it.

And yesterday, twelve of the dumbest motherfuckers in Florida bent the Constitution over and fucked it in the ass.

I don’t like Max Hardcore’s movies. You probably wouldn’t either. I have exercised my right to watch something else, but I certainly don’t mind if my neighbors want to watch his movies. That is what freedom is.

Today, you are less free because of a sleazeball administration and twelve of Florida’s most moronic citizens."

Max Hardcore Convicted (http://randazza.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/max-hardcore-convicted/)

Absurd and arbitrary law and, as far as I can understand, against the 1st Amendment.

The judges are perfectly within their constitutional rights, free speech only applies to freedom of political discourse.

So it would be legal if the models had the communist manifesto tattooed onto their bodies?

Probably. Quite absurd.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: The_Chosen_One on August 10, 2008, 08:13:08 AM
 :orly: Well, as far as I'm concerned, if people are going to talk shit and make crappy and boring movies, it all ought to be flushed down into the sewer where it belongs. I don't feel sorry for this guy one little bit. He is just a  :wanker:
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on August 10, 2008, 08:17:36 AM
It's not about him but about freedom of speech, moron.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on December 11, 2008, 03:10:04 PM
Poor Max got 46 months! It's more than most rapists get in Sweden for a real rape. Hopefully he can appeal successfully.  :-\
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: odeon on December 11, 2008, 03:59:48 PM
With any luck there is a shower incident before he gets out. :zoinks:
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on December 11, 2008, 04:06:46 PM
Poor Max. The sluts would never even have become porn models if he hadn't made them. Ungratefulness is the thank of this world.  >:(
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: odeon on December 12, 2008, 01:33:42 AM
They might have had normal, productive lives instead. God forbid.

I think you should wake up and realise that there are fewer consenting adults in those movies than you think.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on December 12, 2008, 03:58:57 AM
Oh, yes, they'd have a great career turning the burgers at MacDonalds.

I live on another continent and I have known since 1992 what kind of movies Max makes. They can't possibly be unaware of what kind of porn he makes. He has never made a softcore movie.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Trigger 11 on December 12, 2008, 09:44:28 AM
I have been warned about using foul language, flipping people off, and obscene slogans on shirts. Supposedly I can go to jail for these things. I find this unconstitutional, as freedom of speech and expression means ALL speech and expression. Assuming it does not infringe upon the same freedoms of another. Obviously you cannot rearange someone's face as part of your expression. One day, I hope to be arrested for this, as I will fight it as far as I can and try to have such laws overturned. My take, if Larry Flint can win in the Supreme Court and continue publishing his stuff, why the hell can't I flip someone off when they nearly kill me while driving? This makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on December 12, 2008, 09:47:16 AM
In Sweden you can get 1-2 months in jail for wearing a t-shirt with Hitler but not one with Stalin.  :grrr:
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: odeon on December 12, 2008, 12:57:59 PM
Oh, yes, they'd have a great career turning the burgers at MacDonalds.

I live on another planet and I have known since 1992 what kind of movies Max makes. They can't possibly be unaware of what kind of porn he makes. He has never made a softcore movie.

Fixed
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Christopher McCandless on December 12, 2008, 01:22:05 PM
In Sweden you can get 1-2 months in jail for wearing a t-shirt with Hitler but not one with Stalin.  :grrr:
Stalin was cuter.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on December 12, 2008, 01:22:21 PM
I bought my first Max Hardcore movie in 1992. Already back then he was into making girls giving him rimjobs (which was pretty extreme in US porn back then), deep throating them, always (and sometimes exclusively) fuck them anally, making them do ATM and always finishing off by cumming on their faces forbidding them to wipe the cum off.

The first of him I saw on the Internet, in 1998, was that he had begun to piss in their mouths and often deep throating them until they puked. How on Earth can a woman apply for a job by him being unaware of what films he makes?  ???
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on December 12, 2008, 01:23:15 PM
In Sweden you can get 1-2 months in jail for wearing a t-shirt with Hitler but not one with Stalin.  :grrr:
Stalin was cuter.

He was also a Georgian butcher and drunkard.  :hahaha:
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Christopher McCandless on December 12, 2008, 03:06:10 PM
In Sweden you can get 1-2 months in jail for wearing a t-shirt with Hitler but not one with Stalin.  :grrr:
Stalin was cuter.

He was also a Georgian butcher and drunkard.  :hahaha:
He was a great terrorist - the forefather of most of the stuff used in the war on terror. As for drunkard - really it was his dad.
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Parts on December 13, 2008, 05:43:34 AM
I have been warned about using foul language, flipping people off, and obscene slogans on shirts. Supposedly I can go to jail for these things. I find this unconstitutional, as freedom of speech and expression means ALL speech and expression. Assuming it does not infringe upon the same freedoms of another. Obviously you cannot rearange someone's face as part of your expression. One day, I hope to be arrested for this, as I will fight it as far as I can and try to have such laws overturned. My take, if Larry Flint can win in the Supreme Court and continue publishing his stuff, why the hell can't I flip someone off when they nearly kill me while driving? This makes no sense to me.

That is why you join the ACLU
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Johnny on December 14, 2008, 09:57:08 AM
consenting drug addicts is more like it
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on January 11, 2009, 05:01:06 AM
Poor Max. I hope he can appeal.  :-\
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on April 22, 2009, 12:41:18 PM
Poor Max. Still in jail, while Usama is still out there. Shame on America.  >:(
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: Parts on April 22, 2009, 10:49:18 PM
Poor Max. Still in jail, while Usama is still out there. Shame on America.  >:(

Probably with more time to go then a lot of violent criminals too
Title: Re: Miller "obscenity" law - absurd, unconstitutional and unworthy America
Post by: TheoK on April 24, 2009, 01:52:59 AM
46 months if he can't appeal successfully. That's more than most real rapists get in Sweden.  :grrr: