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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: orbit on July 08, 2006, 11:26:21 AM
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I just read a bunch about chimeraism and microchimerism and organ transplants and a bunch of other stuff that got jumbled in my mind that I wanted to throw out there...
What if our personality traits aren't necessarily contained in the developed brain, but reside more so in our DNA? Microchimerism is when someone has the DNA of another person in their body and it lives there without conflict - the articles I read said it is different than an organ transplant BUT if the person ends up getting some of the blood mixed up in their body and goes elsewhere than it counts... It also happens to mothers and their unborn babies.
A Chimera is someone who has equal or nearly ammounts of differing DNA in their bodies, and can happen artificially when scientists do it in a dish, or when two fertalized eggs combine together and develop into one person. Most times it isn't discovered until the person has to have genetic tests, or if the different organs are obvious - such as two different colored eyes or having one ovary and one testical.
If the personality traits are contained in genetic markers in the DNA then perhaps this microchimerism might explain why some people have personality changes when they get organ transplants or have kids and some don't... if the blood that is mixed goes somewhere or does something that is important (yet to be discovered)...
I'm an INTJ based on this test: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp And I'm curious what others of you here are. On an asexual board I used to go to a lot, there were a lot of aspies and there were a lot of people there who also ended up being INTJ. (32% when typical in the population is in the single digits).
It's just a possible theory - anyone care to take the test?
I know I'm not presenting this very clearly - I'm not saying I have any conclusions I believe, I'm just looking at the information and wondering if there is a pattern.... right now there is chaos in the other room and I'm in a hurry to post before I run out... so I'm going to end this here.
Orbit.
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Interesting. I came out as INTJ as well, I wonder if there is a correlation between ASDs and this type of profile? I'm sure I've seen this discussion before, but I can't remember it so meh. ???
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i got ISTJ.
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Im an alpha male, prototype.
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I'm a Me.
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I'm a Me.
Oh bad luck. :P
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I would tend to think most Aspies would have I & T combinations - but it seems the other two would probably be able to switch around.
"I" stands for Introvert as opposed to the "E" for Extrovert - which is primarily the definition of AS, isn't it? But not ALL Introverts have AS, of course...
"T" stands for thinking as opposed to the "F" for feelings. Not that feelings aren't there, they just aren't the primary consideration. I'm not sure about this one, I have met/observed a few on line aspies who seem to rely on their feelings more than their thinking.
"N" stands for iNtuitive as opposed to "S" for Sensing, which means the diference between someone who can jump around in their thinking or thinking outside the box, and an "S" goes from point a to b to c in a step by step process. This seems like it could go either way pretty easily...
And I'm going to quote for the difference between the J and P types - and I have no clue if Aspies would fall into one or the other more...
"People with judging temperaments are not necessarily critical. They just like to have things decided and acted upon. They evaluate, make their decision and go on. If they have to rethink something, they will, but they don't like waffling or bullshit.
A distinction between perceiving and judging:
Perceiver: We haven't had peaches in three months.
Judger: We should have peaches for dinner.
The point being the distinction between straight observation and a value added statement. Judgers tend to evaluate things far more than Perceivers. Perceivers don't want to overlook a possibility. Judgers want to know the importance of something."
There is more to personality than these 4 markers though... I would love to hear some ideas of what other people think some of the personality/genetic markers might be... I'm going to think about it some more.
Orbit
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I'm an INTJ close to the border with INFJ.
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I'm an ISFJ.
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Your Type is
ENFJ
Extroverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %
44 25 25 67
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i am a bmf
bad mutha fucker :o
j/k, ill take the test now.
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INTP
You are:
very expressed introvert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed perceiving personality
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INTP
You are:
very expressed introvert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed perceiving personality
'Moderately' is just a euphenism for 'little'. I say you've got a NPD personality. WHat little personality you have, that is.
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INTP
You are:
very expressed introvert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed perceiving personality
'Moderately' is just a euphenism for 'little'. I say you've got a NPD personality. WHat little personality you have, that is.
No Cupcake, the euphemism for 'little' is 'slightly expressed'. :P
Mine was:
very expressed introvert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
slightly expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed judging personality
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INTP
You are:
very expressed introvert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
''moderately expressed perceiving personality
'Moderately' is just a euphenism for 'little'. I say you've got a NPD personality. WHat little personality you have, that is.
No Cupcake, the euphemism for 'little' is 'slightly expressed'. :P
Mine was:
very expressed introvert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
slightly expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed judging personality
So according to your logic, dear, there is no difference between the site saying 'slightly expressed' and 'moderately expressed'? Surely 'slightly' is slightly less than 'moderately'? I cook my steak at a moderate heat, would you suggest i cook it at a slight heat unless you wanted me to catch a stomach bug?
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Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
56 62 50 11
INTJ type description by D.Keirsey
INTJ type description by J. Butt and M.M. Heiss
Qualitative analysis of your type formula
You are:
* moderately expressed introvert
* distinctively expressed intuitive personality
* moderately expressed thinking personality
* slightly expressed judging personality
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[ENFP] [INFP] [ENFJ] [INFJ] [ESTJ] [ISTJ] [ESFJ] [ISFJ]
[ENTP] [INTP] [ENTJ] [INTJ] [ESTP] [ISTP] [ESFP] [ISFP]
Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Perceiving
by Joe Butt
Profile: INTP
Revision: 3.0
Date of Revision: 27 Feb 2005
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INTPs are pensive, analytical folks. They may venture so deeply into thought as to seem detached, and often actually are oblivious to the world around them.
Precise about their descriptions, INTPs will often correct others (or be sorely tempted to) if the shade of meaning is a bit off. While annoying to the less concise, this fine discrimination ability gives INTPs so inclined a natural advantage as, for example, grammarians and linguists.
INTPs are relatively easy-going and amenable to most anything until their principles are violated, about which they may become outspoken and inflexible. They prefer to return, however, to a reserved albeit benign ambiance, not wishing to make spectacles of themselves.
A major concern for INTPs is the haunting sense of impending failure. They spend considerable time second-guessing themselves. The open-endedness (from Perceiving) conjoined with the need for competence (NT) is expressed in a sense that one's conclusion may well be met by an equally plausible alternative solution, and that, after all, one may very well have overlooked some critical bit of data. An INTP arguing a point may very well be trying to convince himself as much as his opposition. In this way INTPs are markedly different from INTJs, who are much more confident in their competence and willing to act on their convictions.
Mathematics is a system where many INTPs love to play, similarly languages, computer systems--potentially any complex system. INTPs thrive on systems. Understanding, exploring, mastering, and manipulating systems can overtake the INTP's conscious thought. This fascination for logical wholes and their inner workings is often expressed in a detachment from the environment, a concentration where time is forgotten and extraneous stimuli are held at bay. Accomplishing a task or goal with this knowledge is secondary.
INTPs and Logic -- One of the tipoffs that a person is an INTP is her obsession with logical correctness. Errors are not often due to poor logic -- apparent faux pas in reasoning are usually a result of overlooking details or of incorrect context.
Games NTs seem to especially enjoy include Risk, Bridge, Stratego, Chess, Go, and word games of all sorts. (I have an ENTP friend that loves Boggle and its variations. We've been known to sit in public places and pick a word off a menu or mayonnaise jar to see who can make the most words from its letters on a napkin in two minutes.) The INTP mailing list has enjoyed a round of Metaphore, virtual volleyball, and a few 'finish the series' brain teasers.
INTPs in the main are not clannish. The INTP mailing list, with a readership now in triple figures, was in its incipience fraught with all the difficulties of the Panama canal: we had trouble deciding on:
1) whether or not there should be such a group,
2) exactly what such a group should be called, and
3) which of us would have to take the responsibility for organization and maintenance of the aforesaid group/club/whatever.
A Functional Analysis -- by Joe Butt
Introverted Thinking
Introverted Thinking strives to extract the essence of the Idea from various externals that express it. In the extreme, this conceptual essence wants no form or substance to verify its reality. Knowing the Truth is enough for INTPs; the knowledge that this truth can (or could) be demonstrated is sufficient to satisfy the knower. "Cogito, ergo sum" expresses this prime directive quite succinctly.
In seasons of low energy level, or moments of single-minded concentration, the INTP is aloof and detached in a way that might even offend more relational or extraverted individuals.
Extraverted iNtuition
Intuition softens and socializes Thinking, fleshing out the brittle bones of truths formed in the dominant inner world. That which is is not negotiable; yet actual application diffuses knowledge to the extent that knowledge needs qualification and context to be of any consequence in this foreign world of substance.
If Thinking can desist, the INTP is free to brainstorm, calling up the perceptions of the unconscious (i.e., intuition) which are mirrored in patterns in the realm of matter, time and space. These perceptions, in the form of theories or hunches, must ultimately defer to the inner principles, or at least they must not negate them.
Intuition unchained gives birth to play. INTPs enjoy games, formal or impromptu, which coax analogies, patterns and theories from the unseen into spontaneous expression in a way that defies their own comprehension.
Introverted Sensing
Sensing is of a subjective, inner nature similar to that of the SJs. It supplies awareness of the forms of senses rather than the raw, analogic stimuli. Facts and figures seek to be cleaned up for comparison with an ever growing range of previously experienced input. Sensing assists intuition in sorting out and arranging information into the building blocks for Thinking's elaborate systems.
The internalizing nature of the INTP's Sensing function leaves a relative absence of environmental awareness (i.e., Extraverted Sensing), except when the environment is the current focus. Consciousness of such conditions is at best a sometime thing.
Extraverted Feeling
Feeling tends to be all or none. When present, the INTP's concern for others is intense, albeit naive. In a crisis, this feeling judgement is often silenced by the emergence of Thinking, who rushes in to avert chaos and destruction. In the absence of a clear principle, however, INTPs have been known to defer judgement and to allow decisions about interpersonal matters to be left hanging lest someone be offended or somehow injured. INTPs are at risk of being swept away by the shadow in the form of their own strong emotional impulses.
Famous INTPs:
Socrates
Rene Descartes
Blaise Pascal
Sir Isaac Newton
U.S. Presidents:
James Madison
John Quincy Adams
John Tyler
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Gerald Ford
William Harvey (pioneer in human physiology)
C. G. Jung, (Freudian defector, author of Psychological Types, etc.)
William James
Albert Einstein
Tom Foley (Speaker of the House--U.S. House of Representatives)
Henri Mancini
Bob Newhart
Jeff Bingaman, U.S. Senator (D.--NM)
Rick Moranis (Honey, I Shrunk The Kids)
Midori Ito (ice skater, Olympic silver medalist)
Tiger Woods
Fictional INTPs
Tom and Fiona (Four Weddings and a Funeral)
Dr. Susan Lewis (ER)
Filburt (Rocko's Modern Life)
Copyright © 1996-2005 Joe Butt
Anyone who thinks (s)he is an INTP is invited to join one of these INTP fora:
http://www.cheshirecat.net/mailman/listinfo/intp
http://intp-list.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/intpopen/
Type Relationships for INTPs:
Identity Pal Complement Contrast
Supplement Anima Suitemate Cohort
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I'm an STFU.
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wow pyraxis i wouldn have never guessed. :laugh:
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But you asked for it! :P
<-- PMS and packing for a move, not a good combination
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I have recently come out as ESTJ OR INFJ. It all depends on the test and my mood. I personally think I'm an ENFJ, with very moderately expressed extroversion that disappears when I'm depressed or feel fat. I used to be an INTP when I was young (pre-teen I took an MBTI test my mom had lying around) and march of last year I was an INTJ.
here's some more tests, if you wanna take them:
http://similarminds.com/embti.html
http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=16567335035599898597
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PMS Elle, I have taken the test a couple of times and came out the same... but I can see how I might answer some questions differently if I were feeling a certain way - I just try to answer as I think I feel MOST of the time.
These answers sort of confirm some of my guessing about Aspie personality types... hmmm....
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I have recently come out as ESTJ OR INFJ. It all depends on the test and my mood. I personally think I'm an ENFJ, with very moderately expressed extroversion that disappears when I'm depressed or feel fat. I used to be an INTP when I was young (pre-teen I took an MBTI test my mom had lying around) and march of last year I was an INTJ.
here's some more tests, if you wanna take them:
http://similarminds.com/embti.html
http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=16567335035599898597
So your personality type changes like the wind along with your mood, does it? BPD/EMO type?
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So your personality type changes like the wind along with your mood, does it? BPD/EMO type?
You're like a terrier with a slipper.
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So your personality type changes like the wind along with your mood, does it? BPD/EMO type?
You're like a terrier with a slipper.
Good insight. Almost good enough for me to offer you work as an assistant to i in my online clinical psychologist role.
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i consider eamonn more of a no nonsese nylon stocking.
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i consider eamonn more of a no nonsese nylon stocking.
He's got some runs, then.
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and not enough TP
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and not enough TP
How about a terrier with a roll of toilet paper? pets like to destroy paper products of their owners'.
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oh, i meant type personalities. ;)
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oh, i meant type personalities.  ;)
That's BS
((Believable speaking))
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then its settled:
Eamonn you are TPBS, so there.
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OMG, FFS, ROFLLMAO, PWND.
(Obviously made good, fixed for sure, really. Otherwise, feeling like losers may ache, or please write no damnnation.)
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i would agree that the PWNZER has been properly PWNZIERED.
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Yes, but at the cost of 10 IQ points from me. :o
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and not enough TP
How about a terrier with a roll of toilet paper? pets like to destroy paper products of their owners'.
Bible basher are we?
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i would agree that the PWNZER has been properly PWNZIERED.
You pair twits couldnt pwn me if i was in pwnland when it was raining pwns and you had a thousand million pwns at your disposal.
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Oh, and i aint lucifer. No american treble mcj team will scare me, and mcj, I aint afraid of no ghost accounts.
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(http://kyokoshi.free.fr/stuff/PWNED.jpg)
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-1 to McJ for being so fucking lame in his retort.
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oh, like it matters to me how simple you are. you worshiper of lucifer.
in a group of retards, who are giving away karma points, wouldn't reason dictate that the lower the point total the better you are.
+1 for pissant
i am so much fucking better than you!
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(http://www.observationdeck.org/lip_images/stemcell.jpg)
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Mcjagger's just been McOwned!
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(http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/photoshop/pwned.jpg)
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(http://doiknowyou172005.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/pwned.jpg.w180h271.jpg)
thats McOwned with a side of deep fried air-potatoes.
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Tripod? Self-owned!
(http://sts.synflood.de/dump/fun/Stfu.jpg)
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Pic of Jman and his ex girlfriend (before the incredible baby)
this remains my favorite, and it has been erased from intensity one, the drivel and aspie 18.
a curse?
(http://www.sambucca.co.uk/images/jokes/pictures/images/pwned_jpg.jpg)
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The German Shephard and the little girl remain my favourite (with granny and baby a close second) but lucifer erased them off of wp (on new years eve, no less) and i havent been able to find it since. :(
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The German Shephard and the little girl remain my favourite (with granny and baby a close second) but lucifer erased them off of wp (on new years eve, no less) and i havent been able to find it since. :(
Stop being such a bitch and move on.
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that two bit whore.
i remember them well. Â i remember asking you for copies after they were deleted.
i remember thinking for a long time that the girl was riding a bike and the german shepherd was tagging along. Â when i realized, i realized that i was right, the german shephard was tagging along.
what about the nanny drop kicking the baby?
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The German Shephard and the little girl remain my favourite (with granny and baby a close second) but lucifer erased them off of wp (on new years eve, no less) and i havent been able to find it since. :(
Stop being such a bitch and move on.
No matter how much you might want to clean out lucifer's piece, she wont let you, so stop being such a sooky arsed geek and move on.
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The German Shephard and the little girl remain my favourite (with granny and baby a close second) but lucifer erased them off of wp (on new years eve, no less) and i havent been able to find it since. :(
Stop being such a bitch and move on.
No matter how much you might want to clean out lucifer's piece, she wont let you, so stop being such a sooky arsed geek and move on.
XD
Eamonn just cracks me up lately.
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sorry, dear heart. will any of these be any recompense?
(http://www.sg.hu/galeria/10490249941150794091tn.jpg)
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sorry, dear heart. will any of these be any recompense?
(http://www.sg.hu/galeria/10490249941150794091tn.jpg)
:O
KITTAH!!! :3
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It's fucking small.
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sorry, dear heart. will any of these be any recompense?
(http://www.sg.hu/galeria/10490249941150794091tn.jpg)
Not bad, though that tiny cat is shite. A dime a dozen on the net. My big dog and little girl was priceless. I havent seen granny and baby in a while, either. >:( I take it they were directed at mcj or peegai and not your beloved suitor? ;)
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sorry, dear heart. will any of these be any recompense?
(http://www.sg.hu/galeria/10490249941150794091tn.jpg)
Not bad, though that tiny cat is shite. A dime a dozen on the net. My big dog and little girl was priceless. I havent seen granny and baby in a while, either. >:( I take it they were directed at mcj or peegai and not your beloved suitor? ;)
What if she says otherwise? Would you have a nervous breakdown over it?
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What if she says otherwise? Would you have a nervous breakdown over it?
Not just the one. Id have about 10 of them and cry myself to sleep for many a year to come.
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I take it they were directed at mcj or peegai and not your beloved suitor? ;)
they are part of a series of amazing and wonderful gifts to you from me, of course, oh fiancé, dear. use them as you wish. so there's no need to make your eyes puffy and red, or to seek psychotherapy.
besides, i wouldn't aim anything either at mcj or pee, because:
a) pee would just laugh, and
b) hadn't crossed my mind to include mcj in my thoughts recently.
;)
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I take it they were directed at mcj or peegai and not your beloved suitor? ;)
they are part of a series of amazing and wonderful gifts to you from me, of course, oh fiancé, dear. use them as you wish. so there's no need to make your eyes puffy and red, or to seek psychotherapy.
besides, i wouldn't aim anything either at mcj or pee, because:
a) pee would just laugh, and
b) hadn't crossed my mind to include mcj in my thoughts recently.
;)
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
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told you...
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told you...
Behold, fair lady, for my laughter has shook the interwebs.
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this is one that Praetor sent me, which i am quite fond of:
(http://www.websophist.com/Gay_CourtFindsYou1O.jpg)
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I have taken than test 12 times over the course of 2 years, and i got 6 different answers. Â So often my answer is "sometimes" or "it depends"
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ooops, my mistake.
PWNED!
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told you...
Behold, fair lady, for my laughter has shook the interwebs.
(http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~raza/gayasthis.jpg)
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I have taken than test 12 times over the course of 2 years, and i got 6 different answers. So often my answer is "sometimes" or "it depends"
Dont interrupt!
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Mcjagger, wake up you drunk and try and string a non-dyslexic, non-drunken post together!
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LOL!
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My personality type is ISTJ, although I was IxTJ back a few years ago, my introverted rating is pretty damn high, no lower than 80%, more like 90+%.
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i'm enneagram 4 and INFP tho somewhat interfused with INTP
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I'm halfway between INTP and INTJ.
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I usually get INTJ. On the odd occasion I'll get ISTJ.
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Your Type
INTJ
Introvert(56%) iNtuitive(25%) Thinking(97%) Judging(59%)
You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (56%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (25%)
You have strong preference of Thinking over Feeling (97%)
You have distinct preference of Judging over Perceiving (59%)
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I'm halfway between INTP and INTJ.
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