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Title: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Taimaat on April 09, 2008, 08:25:38 PM
I've broken several irrefutable “laws” of science. I think when people see me do it, they just pretend I'm crazy, or that it never happened, even though I remember it.  Also, when people are with me, things they would not normally forget about, they start to forget especially if I am having a bad day with the executive dysfunction.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Peter on April 09, 2008, 09:04:13 PM
I've broken several irrefutable “laws” of science. I think when people see me do it, they just pretend I'm crazy, or that it never happened, even though I remember it.  Also, when people are with me, things they would not normally forget about, they start to forget especially if I am having a bad day with the executive dysfunction.

Some possible explanations:

1.  You have a misunderstanding about science, it doesn't claim what you think it claims and you break no 'laws'.

2.  You really are crazy.

3.  Science doesn't work, and technological development occurs through some other mechanism such as luck, magic or divine revelation.

What 'laws' do you claim to have broken?  How did you accomplish this?  Can you give us a demonstration or some other hard evidence to back up your claims?
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: SovaNu on April 09, 2008, 09:25:11 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2008, 12:08:15 AM
you forgot "an it harm none" in your sig.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: SovaNu on April 10, 2008, 12:12:07 AM
 :indeed:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Mr Smith on April 10, 2008, 05:36:21 AM
What laws did you break?

I sometimes have similar views on laws. I mean, For some reason I just don't really believe in dark matter, I think Newton's law of gravity is wrong.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Parts on April 10, 2008, 05:39:18 AM
What laws did you break?

I sometimes have similar views on laws. I mean, For some reason I just don't really believe in dark matter, I think Newton's law of gravity is wrong.
Your signature photo it a good example of how gravity works whats wrong with it :P
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Mr Smith on April 10, 2008, 05:43:12 AM
What laws did you break?

I sometimes have similar views on laws. I mean, For some reason I just don't really believe in dark matter, I think Newton's law of gravity is wrong.
Your signature photo it a good example of how gravity works whats wrong with it :P

I'm aware how it works, I just think something in his equations are significantly wrong. It might be right, I dunno, but Why aren't the galaxies flying apart? I mean, Dark matter just sounds so extravagant..
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: jman on April 10, 2008, 05:44:01 AM
Quote
I think Newton's law of gravity is wrong.


O rly?  :toporly:

Why don't you test that law and jump off a tall building?
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: SovaNu on April 10, 2008, 05:48:54 AM
i don't believe in dark matter either. i think it's actually visible and we just can't see it. that would make it just matter. :zombiefuck:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Mr Smith on April 10, 2008, 05:51:11 AM
i don't believe in dark matter either. i think it's actually visible and we just can't see it. that would make it just matter. :zombiefuck:

There is no evidence for it existing.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: choccybiccy on April 10, 2008, 06:54:04 AM
Science deals with the external world (objective). Magic deals with the internal world (subjective).

We have no real proof there is an external world as we will only ever experience it subjectively.

It is folly to bring magic into the external world and folly to use science to rule your life.

Me likey folly.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Peter on April 10, 2008, 07:08:10 AM
What laws did you break?

I sometimes have similar views on laws. I mean, For some reason I just don't really believe in dark matter, I think Newton's law of gravity is wrong.

1.  Dark matter isn't an 'irrefutable scientific law'; it's a theory which was developed to explain why we see more gravitational force than there's visible matter to account for.  Without a theory of dark matter, you'll need some other theory to explain why the stars in galaxies orbit the galaxy so quickly, why the angular speed of their orbit is fairly constant as you move out from the core and why globular clusters don't fly apart.  It's possible that such a theory will emerge, as gravity is still a poorly understood phenomenon.

2.  Newton's law of Universal Gravitation isn't an 'irrefutable scientific law' either; it's a heuristic based on observations, which makes no attempt to explain how gravity works.  This is why laws are considered to be lesser constructs than theories, as theories provide an explanation for why a phenomenon behaves the way it's observed to behave.  Still, it was able to make accurate predictions about such things as the orbit of Neptune based on the gravitational disturbance of Uranus.

Newton's law of Universal Gravitation couldn't explain the orbit of Mercury, however, and thus it was superseded by Einstein's theory of General Relativity, which explained gravity in terms of deformations in the fabric of space caused by concentrations of mass.  This theory was still incomplete, however (still not an 'irrefutable law'), as it didn't provide a particle model of gravity and is thus incompatible with the Standard Model.  Work is ongoing in creating a Grand Unified Theory which will unite quantum mechanics and relativity, but in the mean time, both theories provide very strong and rigorously tested models of the universe when applied within their stated limitations.

In fact, there are no irrefutable laws in science.  If you observe that apples fall upwards on Sundays during the second full moon of the month while an orangutan opens an umbrella under a ladder, gather some evidence and get the scientific community working on a theory of gravity which accounts for your observations.  The whole point of the scientific method is that existing theories must be revised to account for new data which contradicts them.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2008, 07:09:12 AM
Science deals with the external world (objective). Magic deals with the internal world (subjective).

in theory...  ;)

Quote
We have no real proof there is an external world as we will only ever experience it subjectively.

It is folly to bring magic into the external world and folly to use science to rule your life.

Me likey folly.

 :thumbup:

me likey quotey.  :laugh:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Mr Smith on April 10, 2008, 07:17:29 AM
I am well aware that dark matter is not a law, penis.. er, peter  ;)
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: SovaNu on April 10, 2008, 10:45:11 AM
i don't believe in dark matter either. i think it's actually visible and we just can't see it. that would make it just matter. :zombiefuck:

There is no evidence for it existing.

there's also no evidence of gravity or that we evolved from monkeys.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: thepeaguy on April 10, 2008, 11:03:39 AM
i don't believe in dark matter either. i think it's actually visible and we just can't see it. that would make it just matter. :zombiefuck:

There is no evidence for it existing.

there's also no evidence of gravity or that we evolved from monkeys.

You're asking for it now...
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Peter on April 10, 2008, 11:17:49 AM
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Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: thepeaguy on April 10, 2008, 11:24:44 AM
Don't act like you wouldn't find this fun, Pete.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Peter on April 10, 2008, 11:29:18 AM
Don't act like you wouldn't find this fun, Pete.

As much as it would be nice to be able to shoot lighting bolts from my hands and levitate, I'm faced with the unfortunate fact that the universe is a consistent and predictable place which imposes strict physical limitations on it's inhabitants, however much they may believe otherwise.

For all the people who say "'X' is just a theory":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0eUFsSIx38
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Kosmonaut on April 10, 2008, 11:32:38 AM
There are no 'laws' of science to break.  ???
What am i missing here?
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: thepeaguy on April 10, 2008, 11:46:42 AM
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!! Lucifer's here.

About time that there was a athorist vs. witch doctor fight.  8)
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2008, 11:46:57 AM
There are no 'laws' of science to break.  ???
What am i missing here?

a tinfoil hat?
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2008, 11:47:44 AM
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!! Lucifer's here.

About time that there was a athorist vs. witch doctor fight.  8)

you what?  you forget i'm a scientist, pea.  ;)  i like to be a bit of everything, in case i miss out on anything fun/important.  :laugh:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: thepeaguy on April 10, 2008, 11:48:22 AM
There are no 'laws' of science to break.  ???
What am i missing here?

a tinfoil hat?

Nononononono... not ex-scientist Kos, Pete. Pete!

This should be fun and educational.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Kosmonaut on April 10, 2008, 11:56:28 AM
There are no 'laws' of science to break.  ???
What am i missing here?

a tinfoil hat?

LOL
 :tinfoil:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Peter on April 10, 2008, 12:32:30 PM
I've broken several irrefutable “laws” of science. I think when people see me do it, they just pretend I'm crazy, or that it never happened, even though I remember it.  Also, when people are with me, things they would not normally forget about, they start to forget especially if I am having a bad day with the executive dysfunction.

Perhaps they don't remember it because it didn't happen; you could be hallucinating and not be aware of it.  This is particularly likely given that you say it happens when you're having a bad day with aspects of your mental functioning.  If you have a video camera, you could try recording yourself and later review the video when you're feeling better to see if the things you remember actually happened, or happened the way you remember them.  I'd also like to hear a more thorough description of the situation.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: SovaNu on April 10, 2008, 05:04:25 PM
i don't believe in dark matter either. i think it's actually visible and we just can't see it. that would make it just matter. :zombiefuck:

There is no evidence for it existing.

there's also no evidence of gravity or that we evolved from monkeys.

You're asking for it now...

 :-*
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Mr Smith on April 10, 2008, 07:40:59 PM
i don't believe in dark matter either. i think it's actually visible and we just can't see it. that would make it just matter. :zombiefuck:

There is no evidence for it existing.

there's also no evidence of gravity or that we evolved from monkeys.

Yeah I know. But It leaves everything wide open for different opinions - such as Newtons law being wrong, and the theory we didn't evolve from monkeys.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Sophgay on April 10, 2008, 07:44:08 PM
we didn't evolve from monkeys
we share a common ancestor (http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7475/mfightqj3.gif)
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: SovaNu on April 10, 2008, 07:55:43 PM
i want booze. we should all drink.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Sophgay on April 10, 2008, 07:58:28 PM
soph has a headache
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: SovaNu on April 10, 2008, 07:59:15 PM
Soph should go to sleep. :toporly:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Sophgay on April 10, 2008, 08:02:24 PM
soph wants to stay awakies
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: SovaNu on April 11, 2008, 01:07:24 AM
Soph's cat is a pharao.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Parts on April 11, 2008, 01:26:18 AM
Science is the work of SATAN.  Believe in the laws of GOD and you too can be saved
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: SovaNu on April 11, 2008, 01:26:49 AM
 :agreed:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: QuirkyCarla on April 11, 2008, 02:05:23 AM
I've broken several irrefutable “laws” of science. I think when people see me do it, they just pretend I'm crazy, or that it never happened, even though I remember it.  Also, when people are with me, things they would not normally forget about, they start to forget especially if I am having a bad day with the executive dysfunction.

I agree. Fuck science! I have to go to class tomorrow about teaching science.  :laugh:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Taimaat on April 13, 2008, 01:25:35 AM
Science is the work of SATAN.  Believe in the laws of GOD and you too can be saved

No, thats Lucifer (the bringer of false knowledge) and not Satan (the adversary).  I know some people think they are the same, but they are not.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 13, 2008, 01:28:05 AM
i don't think they're the same.  and lucifer's the light bringer, btw.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: odeon on April 13, 2008, 09:45:37 AM
I've broken several irrefutable “laws” of science. I think when people see me do it, they just pretend I'm crazy, or that it never happened, even though I remember it.  Also, when people are with me, things they would not normally forget about, they start to forget especially if I am having a bad day with the executive dysfunction.

Some possible explanations:

1.  You have a misunderstanding about science, it doesn't claim what you think it claims and you break no 'laws'.

2.  You really are crazy.

3.  Science doesn't work, and technological development occurs through some other mechanism such as luck, magic or divine revelation.

What 'laws' do you claim to have broken?  How did you accomplish this?  Can you give us a demonstration or some other hard evidence to back up your claims?

QFT
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: odeon on April 13, 2008, 09:49:40 AM
i don't believe in dark matter either. i think it's actually visible and we just can't see it. that would make it just matter. :zombiefuck:

There is no evidence for it existing.

there's also no evidence of gravity or that we evolved from monkeys.

/bites tongue
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 13, 2008, 11:05:30 AM
but she's correct, O Man - from the evidence manifested by some people on this site, there's a strong case to be argued that at least part of the human race evolved from earwax (and didn't evolve very far).
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: DirtDawg on April 13, 2008, 11:10:57 AM
but she's correct, O Man - from the evidence manifested by some people on this site, there's a strong case to be argued that at least part of the human race evolved from earwax (and didn't evolve very far).

OK, this why I check in here often.

I am almost totally wasted from work at the halfway point and I read this first on my arrival.

 :plus:



No need for context. I'm laughing and feeling better already.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 13, 2008, 11:12:25 AM
I am almost totally waisted from work at the halfway point and I read this first on my arrival.

No need for context. I'm laughing and feeling better already.

:hug:

glad you're laughing and feeling better, dawg.  :-*
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: odeon on April 13, 2008, 02:14:14 PM
but she's correct, O Man - from the evidence manifested by some people on this site, there's a strong case to be argued that at least part of the human race evolved from earwax (and didn't evolve very far).

I was about to present proof on the monkey theory. There is Flo, after all.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 13, 2008, 02:45:41 PM
er, doesn't that rather come under the earwax theory?
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: odeon on April 13, 2008, 02:53:40 PM
er, doesn't that rather come under the earwax theory?

Yes. Monkey earwax. :P
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 13, 2008, 02:55:16 PM
do monkeys have earwax?
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: odeon on April 13, 2008, 03:02:13 PM
Actually it's the stuff that leaks out from the hollow parts between the ears.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Parts on April 13, 2008, 03:03:02 PM
I don't believe in monkeys or ear wax it's all just an illusion to make you doubt the true strength of GOD
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 13, 2008, 03:04:07 PM
i don't believe in anything, personally.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: odeon on April 13, 2008, 03:05:43 PM
I don't believe in monkeys or ear wax it's all just an illusion to make you doubt the true strength of GOD

Er, I can prove the part about the ear wax. :P
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 13, 2008, 03:10:04 PM
oh, that's just delightful.  :puke:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: odeon on April 13, 2008, 03:24:42 PM
As an empiricist, surely you can appreciate the effort, at least?
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 13, 2008, 03:25:17 PM
As an empiricist, surely you can appreciate the effort, at least?

i'll appreciate it if it's not near me, then, okay?  :laugh:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Calandale on April 19, 2008, 07:58:17 PM
I'm just worried that the time police are going
to catch me.  :o
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Peter on April 20, 2008, 02:50:12 AM
I worry more about the thought police.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Calandale on April 20, 2008, 03:44:34 AM
I don't think. But, I do fuck with time.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2008, 07:46:50 AM
I don't think.

QFT.

you really are handing them to me on a plate today, cal.  :LMAO:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Calandale on April 20, 2008, 01:52:32 PM
Intentional. Sometimes, I like to give my
lessers a chance to strike back.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Pyraxis on April 20, 2008, 02:09:35 PM
I do that.  :laugh:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: SovaNu on April 20, 2008, 03:35:34 PM
I'm just worried that the time police are going
to catch me.  :o

sir, have you been time traveling? can i see your passtime?

(http://www.dreamagic.com/roger/timeCop.gif)
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Calandale on April 20, 2008, 05:08:10 PM
I do that.  :laugh:

I'm honored to see that you've never opened up
an attack for me.

I'm just worried that the time police are going
to catch me.  :o

sir, have you been time traveling? can i see your passtime?


Piss off, copper.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: thepeaguy on April 20, 2008, 06:58:47 PM
Taking on science is like trying to break apart a titanium ball with a sheet of paper -- it's futile.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Calandale on April 20, 2008, 07:07:34 PM
Taking on science is like trying to break apart a titanium ball with a sheet of paper -- it's futile.

Funny - they used to say things like that, about the church.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Pyraxis on April 20, 2008, 07:21:34 PM
I do that.  :laugh:

I'm honored to see that you've never opened up
an attack for me.

What, you mean you missed every one of them?
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Calandale on April 20, 2008, 08:26:42 PM
I do that.  :laugh:

I'm honored to see that you've never opened up
an attack for me.

What, you mean you missed every one of them?

See? I led you to that one, and you couldn't fail me.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Pyraxis on April 20, 2008, 08:28:37 PM
 :zombiefuck:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Calandale on April 20, 2008, 08:30:33 PM
THAT was a trap. There was no way out.

The best you could've done was ignore it. :zoinks:
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Pyraxis on April 20, 2008, 08:34:45 PM
I quite like my utterly meaningless response.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Calandale on April 20, 2008, 08:38:02 PM
I meant prior. The rest was gloating.

I'm in a fine mood.
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: eris on October 01, 2011, 01:10:39 PM
Wow what a great thread. I actually mean that. I hope new people read it and comment.

I wonder if Tiamat jumped off a bridge cause he thought he could fly, maybe that is why he doesnt post anymore :(
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: P7PSP on October 01, 2011, 01:25:11 PM
Was Taimaat at zOMG?
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Scrapheap on October 02, 2011, 04:23:44 PM
No, Tiamaat is from ancient Babylon.  :P
Title: Re: I don't believe in the laws of science.
Post by: Al Swearegen on October 03, 2011, 02:42:27 AM
Both right