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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Sophgay on March 13, 2008, 07:18:40 AM
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I don't know much about the system in the US or other countries, but in the UK we still have an opt-in system
I haven't been following the news much over the last few months (depression and a load of random shit), so I don't know of any development with this, but there;s been suggestions of changing it to an opt-out system, whereby everyone would automatically be put on the donor register, and those who didn't want to (for religious reasons etc), could then be taken off
Doesn't that make more sense though? I don't see why it isn't already an opt-out system
tbh I don't think adults should even be able to opt out at all, but I can't see that happening
Are you on the donor register and/or carry a donor card?
I have been since I was about 15, and have a card somewhere
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Mine says Non donor at the moment, I got my license printed at a rather young age.
I'm weird like that, I will get it changed eventually. I seem to have too much empathy for my organs after I die, and I don't want them working hard to keep a horrible person alive. I know it sounds stupid, but that's how my mind works. :-[
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I used to be 100% against people not being organ donors, as I couldn't see the logic behind it - "dead people have no rights..." "no one needs their liver when they're rotting in the ground..."
but then after starbuline died i changed my mind - i can understand why family members wouldn't want that
but for me, i don't care what they do with me when i'm dead, so i might as well be of some use. although my organs will probably be fucked by then anyway :laugh:
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I used to be 100% against people not being organ donors, as I couldn't see the logic behind it - "dead people have no rights..." "no one needs their liver when they're rotting in the ground..."
but then after starbuline died i changed my mind - i can understand why family members wouldn't want that
but for me, i don't care what they do with me when i'm dead, so i might as well be of some use. although my organs will probably be fucked by then anyway :laugh:
You have a point though, you wouldn't care what happened to them after you died. Thats why I will get mine changed to donor. My family are all donors. I have ridiculous empathy for objects, and I also feel sorry for them. (Partly the reason why I don't drink much alcohol).
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i have weird empathy for objects
especially cars
i smile at cars that drive past us when i'm in one... they all have personalities to me
that's why i hate throwing things away
or if i see something cute in a shop, with a face on it, i want to buy it and feel really bad that i don't, as if i've hurt its feelings. i don't have this empathy for people though :laugh:
but then i am pretty weird i guess
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i have weird empathy for objects
especially cars
i smile at cars that drive past us when i'm in one... they all have personalities to me
that's why i hate throwing things away
or if i see something cute in a shop, with a face on it, i want to buy it and feel really bad that i don't, as if i've hurt its feelings. i don't have this empathy for people though :laugh:
but then i am pretty weird i guess
I understand. When I was a kid I wasted all my pocket money on a toy cat because its face looked sad an lonely and it was the only one left. I have little empathy for people, but often I surprise myself. In my opinion most people are able to take care of themselves.
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I feel bad about my lack of empathy for people sometimes, like there's something seriously wrong with me for not caring. even though i know in my head that an object doesn't have "feelings" and doesn't give a shit if i take it home or not, i still feel bad
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In the state I live in CT they put it on your drivers license.
Empathy for objects I have that really bad most of the time I could give two shits about people but objects and animals it's like they speak to me :laugh:
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its like that with me
if i walk past a random person on the street, i dont give fuck about them, nd sometimes just wish thyd fuck off out of my way, or i get pissed off at their annoying accents or something... but if i see something in a toy shop, or a picture of a dog, i feel bad if i don't smile at it
but i can;t be too obvious or i'll look crazy
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I am an organ donor and have been one since I got my license.
I don't care what happens to my organs after I die, as long as they are of use to someone it is fine.
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I am an organ donor and have been one since I got my license.
I don't care what happens to my organs after I die, as long as they are of use to someone it is fine.
That was always my thoughts I mean what do I need them for if I'm dead
its like that with me
if i walk past a random person on the street, i dont give fuck about them, nd sometimes just wish thyd fuck off out of my way, or i get pissed off at their annoying accents or something... but if i see something in a toy shop, or a picture of a dog, i feel bad if i don't smile at it
but i can;t be too obvious or i'll look crazy
It one of my reasons for my large collections of just about everything I feel bad for it so I don't get rid if it or if no one's buying it I do
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a psychologist once told me about how a lot of autistic people get this kind of thing with places as well as objects. maybe it's related to that. i get that strongly with some places
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oh god i'm doing an "Is this an AS thing?" :laugh:
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oh god i'm doing an "Is this an AS thing?" :laugh:
:asthing: :laugh:
I get it with places too. Another wired one for me is until a few years ago I never sold any of my stuff now I do at the flea market but if the person comes off badly to me I give him a really high price
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im not a donor. im basically freaked out by the idea :P
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I'm a donor, and when I die, I want to donate my body to science. I don't even care if some kids play practical jokes with my dead penis.
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I wanna donate blood and souls to my lord arioch.
Ah, pretty little arioch, how I'd love to play with you again.
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i want Trafford council to arrange for a pyramid to be built on my behalf
somewhere around cheshire
my future slave, Ivan, will be buried alive with me
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I want my remains inside of a giant robot that roams the desert outside of Las Vegas. It needs to be bigger and stronger than Michael Jackson's current 100 ft tall laser eyed robot there. My robot containing my remains will do battle and defeat that kiddie toucher's. It just needs some heavy firepower. After it finishes MJ's robot, it should have enough ammo to take out a good portion of the population of good ol' Las Vegas. It will be programmed of course to deal death, but its primary target will be MJ's robot, then secondary will be "innocents" (no such thing imo).
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Someone posted a horrible movie on here about people disrespecting a body before it was going to be cremated. I can't get over how horrible that is, people are fucked up, and to be honest, they're so fucked up I don't really give a shit about the human race most of the time.
Animals are pure. No superficial or sick layers.
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Someone posted a horrible movie on here about people disrespecting a body before it was going to be cremated. I can't get over how horrible that is, people are fucked up, and to be honest, they're so fucked up I don't really give a shit about the human race most of the time.
Animals are pure. No superficial or sick layers.
Such a shame you're not dead, I am sure someone in NZ could use a heart transplant.
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Someone posted a horrible movie on here about people disrespecting a body before it was going to be cremated. I can't get over how horrible that is, people are fucked up, and to be honest, they're so fucked up I don't really give a shit about the human race most of the time.
Animals are pure. No superficial or sick layers.
New evidence has been compiled by marine scientists that prove the normally placid dolphin is capable of brutal attacks both on innocent fellow marine mammals and, more disturbingly, on its own kind.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/01/25/eadolphin125.xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/01/25/eadolphin125.xml)
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humans are the most revolting animals on the planet
i admit i have a cowardly fear of spiders, but i don't hate them
i hate humanity in general though
other animals can be violent towards each other, but not in the sick, sadistic and manipulative ways that humans are
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i don't care if people molest me when i'm dead, except that my family would mind, so i won't want it to happen. if i had no family, it would be ok.
the thought of someone doing that to someone i love though, after they're dead, makes me sick. and if i found out that had happened, i'd want to kill the person who did it and mutilate their body
i wouldn't care about their family because they're fucked up and i'm selfish
i only really care about people i like, people i can relate to, children and other species
i don't care about stupid, random adult humans, unless they're hot and i want to fuck them
i know that makes me selfish, but that's ok
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I registered when I was in secondary school and some person came round to give us a talk about it.
Have donor card too.
Did any of you tick a specific part of your body or just ticked the "any part of my body"?
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any of me
i don't get why people would be ok with having their kidneys used, but not their liver... or whatever
i won't be using any of it
i don't think anyone would benefit from having my organs in them though
medical research maybe :laugh:
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Same.
Maybe those people that singled out different organs felt they would be the most useful or less fucked up ones?
I wouldn't mind being one of those skeletons that's used in medical school :orly:
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i wanna be on Dr Gunther von Hagen's next tv series
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I registered when I was in secondary school and some person came round to give us a talk about it.
Have donor card too.
Did any of you tick a specific part of your body or just ticked the "any part of my body"?
everything - they can have the lot. won't be any use to me anymore. ;) :laugh:
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we need an opt-out system here ASAP
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I'm not keen on the thought of my organs being used by somebody else.
I wouldn't mind if they we're going to a relative, friend or someone I thought was okay but I don't like the thought of any random wanker walking around using them. I would rather my body was eaten by animals.
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I'm not keen on the thought of my organs being used by somebody else.
I wouldn't mind if they we're going to a relative, friend or someone I thought was okay but I don't like the thought of any random wanker walking around using them. I would rather my body was eaten by animals.
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Editing ...
I may have gotten the quote wrong. I have not seen your sig as painful, since, K'mo
I had to relieve myself of the sunrise thing though.
If that was not you, then, I humbly apologise for having a quote from you in this post.
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Animals are pure. No superficial or sick layers.
Humans are animals. Don't even tell me that some of the
behavior that you see in chimps, for example, isn't damned
close to the kind of evil you see in human society.
You can say, "oh, it's all instinct" or something, but what
we learn isn't so different. And dogs (for example) certainly
have learned behavior - which can sometimes be very wrong.
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I got an organ I could donate now :eyebrows: :zoinks:
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Animals are pure. No superficial or sick layers.
Humans are animals. Don't even tell me that some of the
behavior that you see in chimps, for example, isn't damned
close to the kind of evil you see in human society.
At least they are honest about it though.
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Are they? I dunno. I've seen dogs do some things
that kinda look like they're trying to hide the evidence.
Usually on different sorts of stuff. But, it's not really like
they have a lot of tools for dissemination.
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humans are revolting
other species aren't
unless you count sniffing each others arse and stuff
but some humans do that too
humans are just horrible, and a very very small percentage of them are hot enough to be forgiven
i don't forgive ugly women very easily
maybe i am shallow
but at least i am honest
i would have ugly friends though
hell i am ugly myself :laugh:
i would also have fat friends
i have had both
well "friends"
i just wouldn't want to fuck them
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I don't see a difference. Everything that learns
learns behavior to improve its chances to procreate.
Indeed, one of the few things which could be said to
be truly different from other animals is the degree to
which we actually thwart that.
nature ain't good or pretty. It is. People are.
That simple.
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nature ain't good or pretty. It is. People are.
That simple.
that isn't simple at all...
it isn't... but then it is... then people are...
what?
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Each sentence, a truth in itself. Don't pull meanings across them,
and you'll realize the perfection.
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saying "nature isn't" then immediately after saying "it is," makes it look as if you're talking about the same thing
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Did I say "Nature isn't"?
No. When I said it IS (and was referring to
nature there - in case there's confusion),
the subject remained the same, but the
verb's application changed.
One nice thing about English is that it doesn't
require one to wade into ugly details. Again,
language can be pretty, and fun.
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Animals are pure. No superficial or sick layers.
Humans are animals. Don't even tell me that some of the
behavior that you see in chimps, for example, isn't damned
close to the kind of evil you see in human society.
You can say, "oh, it's all instinct" or something, but what
we learn isn't so different. And dogs (for example) certainly
have learned behavior - which can sometimes be very wrong.
I was referring to non human animals. Of course animals all have instinct and learned behaviour. The fact of the matter is that humans are extremely complex, and several ofther animals don't have those layers. Chimps, maybe. But you don't see chimps making nasty comments because one of them is fat, etc. The layers come with intelligence, and sure, chimps have lots of those layers. I shouldn't have been so general with my statement.
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i don't like humans in general
other animals don't seem to pretend they care when they don't, in the same way that humans do
i know when flo comes and sits with me when i'm sad, she does actually care
the "friends" i had in school who pretended to like me then bitched about me behind my back and used me for rides home didn't
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Animals are pure. No superficial or sick layers.
Humans are animals. Don't even tell me that some of the
behavior that you see in chimps, for example, isn't damned
close to the kind of evil you see in human society.
You can say, "oh, it's all instinct" or something, but what
we learn isn't so different. And dogs (for example) certainly
have learned behavior - which can sometimes be very wrong.
I was referring to non human animals. Of course animals all have instinct and learned behaviour. The fact of the matter is that humans are extremely complex, and several ofther animals don't have those layers. Chimps, maybe. But you don't see chimps making nasty comments because one of them is fat, etc. The layers come with intelligence, and sure, chimps have lots of those layers. I shouldn't have been so general with my statement.
Ok, I'll agree that the complexity of human social interaction
makes them seem likely to be WORSE, but many herd or pack
animals cast out their unwanted. Life is ugly.
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Animals are pure. No superficial or sick layers.
Humans are animals. Don't even tell me that some of the
behavior that you see in chimps, for example, isn't damned
close to the kind of evil you see in human society.
You can say, "oh, it's all instinct" or something, but what
we learn isn't so different. And dogs (for example) certainly
have learned behavior - which can sometimes be very wrong.
I was referring to non human animals. Of course animals all have instinct and learned behaviour. The fact of the matter is that humans are extremely complex, and several ofther animals don't have those layers. Chimps, maybe. But you don't see chimps making nasty comments because one of them is fat, etc. The layers come with intelligence, and sure, chimps have lots of those layers. I shouldn't have been so general with my statement.
Ok, I'll agree that the complexity of human social interaction
makes them seem likely to be WORSE, but many herd or pack
animals cast out their unwanted. Life is ugly.
That, my friend, is instinct. Animals don't think, oh, that person is ugly, i'm going to be horrible to them, well, really, we don't really KNOW what animals think, but most of it is related to the survival of the fittest, when that died out a long time ago with our kind.
As for animals with near human intelligence, They don't shove sticks up their own arses for kicks, They don't murder their own kind because they're nasty, they don't disrespect other animals, They aren't cruel, they just don't have those layers.
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That, my friend, is instinct. Animals don't think, oh, that person is ugly, i'm going to be horrible to them, well, really, we don't really KNOW what animals think, but most of it is related to the survival of the fittest, when that died out a long time ago with our kind.
And you presume that what we do isn't? As to 'ugly' and mistreating,
there certainly are selection reasons for such - all very natural.
As for animals with near human intelligence, They don't shove sticks up their own arses for kicks, They don't murder their own kind because they're nasty, they don't disrespect other animals, They aren't cruel, they just don't have those layers.
I don't know that any of these statements are true.
And...what's wrong with shoving sticks up one's own ass? :-\
Cruelty, I've definitely seen examples of such. Do not think that
we are so very different.
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That, my friend, is instinct. Animals don't think, oh, that person is ugly, i'm going to be horrible to them, well, really, we don't really KNOW what animals think, but most of it is related to the survival of the fittest, when that died out a long time ago with our kind.
And you presume that what we do isn't? As to 'ugly' and mistreating,
there certainly are selection reasons for such - all very natural.
As for animals with near human intelligence, They don't shove sticks up their own arses for kicks, They don't murder their own kind because they're nasty, they don't disrespect other animals, They aren't cruel, they just don't have those layers.
I don't know that any of these statements are true.
And...what's wrong with shoving sticks up one's own ass? :-\
Cruelty, I've definitely seen examples of such. Do not think that
we are so very different.
I thought we would come to that. Humans have instinct to an extent, but it's usually overrun by morals and standards these days. People can say natural selection still exists, but society standards have overrun that also. A super skinny, constipated supermodel by no means is suitable to breed with in regards to health.
Well, what are your examples of animals being cruel then?
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I thought we would come to that. Humans have instinct to an extent, but it's usually overrun by morals and standards these days. People can say natural selection still exists, but society standards have overrun that also. A super skinny, constipated supermodel by no means is suitable to breed with in regards to health.
I'm arguing that we have no reason to believe that our reactions
are any less instinctual than those of other animals. As to the
supermodel example, it's merely sexual selection gone awry - peacocks
are pretty much fucked by those long tails, as an example.
Well, what are your examples of animals being cruel then?
Nothing which can't be dismissed as 'instinct'. But, wolves, as an example,
end up ostracized when healthy enough to be useful to the pack.
I know that some ape behavior is ugly as hell.
See, we can't really make a judgment as to our own
differences, because we are not impartial. We KNOW that
we think. And we catch ourselves feeling ashamed, either
of our own actions, or those of our fellow men. But, I've
seen something that looks like shame, in dogs (anthropomorphizing? -
but, I'm arguing that we may not do enough of this :laugh:)
What it comes down to is all we have are external signs which
appear similar to our own external signs. IF we were completely
outside the picture, yet thought as we do, we'd probably equate
them mostly, without committing to congruence. We can't know
what communications are passed in the language of dogs, for example.
I'd guess that it's somewhere in between. The fundamentals are the same,
but there are differences in the application. But, I highly doubt that animals
are all the pure 'noble savages' any more than indigenous people ever were.
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animals are naughty sometimes, and mean to each other. but they're not downright fucking evil like humans are.
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animals are naughty sometimes, and mean to each other. but they're not downright fucking evil like humans are.
Wrong.
Example: a male lion will kill cubs in his pride which aren't his.
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i know, i could list a shitload of other examples like that
i STILL don't see that as being anything like the kinda crap humans pull
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People suck.
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animals are naughty sometimes, and mean to each other. but they're not downright fucking evil like humans are.
Wrong.
Example: a male lion will kill cubs in his pride which aren't his.
That isn't evil, that is smart. Why would he want something that isn't his offspring around? His DNA > other male Lion's DNA. The next leader of the pride should be his offspring, not one from some other male lion.
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just because one has no sense of moral code, does not qualify you as innocent
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just because one has no sense of moral code, does not qualify you as innocent
:agreed:
But it's more than this. Just because animals DON'T formalize
a code, it doesn't mean that they don't have one.
More than this, human actions - including warfare, and using
tools to desecrate our planet, can be seen as instinctual. As can
enslaving animals to serve us (we aren't alone in this).
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i want to be an organ donor but it scares me. i read that we only move on after our bodies have died so if some part of me is still alive in someone else will i have to wait in some limbo? scares the crap out of me. i will not donate until i get my facts straight. :P i guess the brownie trip really freaked me out.
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like if you died while you were having sex with someone?
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the Roloffs are on DMAX. :zoinks:
having sex? :laugh: with corpses?
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haha i know, i'm watching it now :laugh:
well, dmax+1, because i was just in the shower
i have mcdonalds and kfc and lucozade now and going to take my first seroxat when i can be arsed opening the box
i can't believe they took away my llama pills (still can't remember their name)
no i meant if you were fucking someone and you died in the process lol
im sure this happens sometimes
this is another random thing i worry about
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Morals are the herd instinct within the human animal.
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oh wow wtf
i just saw a crusha advert with cats on exercise bikes :laugh:
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Morals are the herd instinct within the human animal.
Highly territorial animals do not do well in herds.
Hmmm, you may be on to one of the essential problems with trying to impose morals upon us.
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you worry about dying whilst fucking? it might be a good way to go.
did you see the epi where they build a deck and then the inspector comes along and tells them it's dangerous and they go and pile a bunch of dirt under it and then it was ok. :laugh:
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no i didn't see that :laugh:
are we talking about Little People Big World?
or Lois and Clark?
or were you not talking to me?
i can't be arsed clicking on the last page :laugh:
"i was at the flowershop" lol i'm watching the simpsons
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and yeah i worry about that
maybe it'll be while fucking someone i met getting strip-searched at the airport :laugh:
i worry too much
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yes you do. :laugh: i think it's part of OCD.
it was Little People.
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i watched 4 episodes of that today i think . i watch it nearly every day lol
i'll try not to worry about that anymore :laugh:
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i watch it when i remember, sometimes i forget. :P
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i'm watching Airline now
no one is getting strip-searched, thankfully
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that show is the culprit.
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why?
look at these i found:
A grandmother left a restaurant and was arrested because there was a debate about whether or not she had properly paid her bill. She was reportedly taken to the police station and strip-searched.
An attractive young woman was at home with her daughter when the police came to her apartment. Apparently, her ex-boyfriend told the police that she had misappropriated his car. While she claimed that the car was properly in her possession, she surrendered both the keys and the car. She was then taken to the police station, strip searched, (allegedly with the door open so that male officers could see), and released within the hour. (Shortly thereafter, all charges against her were dropped.)
it can happen to anyone, anywhere :orly:
no matter how careful and good you are
even if i don't go out, they can still get me
although i am not a grandmother or an attractive young woman :laugh:
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the show makes you worry. :P
those are rare cases. if you stay inside it is unlikely to happen. almost impossible. srsly. :toporly:
i never eat out. :P
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neither do i
last time was pizza hut for someone's birthday in college
never again though
i thought you meant that show was the reason so many people are getting strip-searched now :laugh:
there is a big chance it will happen
and they say you're more likely to die in a car crash than in a plane
bit then when you're in a car crash, they cut your clothes off you anyway
so you're fucked either way
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it is not a big chance it will happen if you don't fly. :P
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i'd have to fly to san francisco :laugh:
and russia
actually i could walk to russia if i could swim to france, which i hear is possible :orly:
i'd have to get a little rowing boat and a very warm coat to walk to san francisco though
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you walk on water? :intressant:
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i am Jesus II
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What did the leper tell the prostitute?
Keep the tip.
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:elvis:
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Ew to the above joke.
I have the donor stamp on my driver's license and I have a separate organ donor card I got from Medicare. I can't remember how I got that card but I do know that I must have filled out a form to get it.
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There are cases of people which have had heart transplants who go on to take characteristics of the donor.
eg. people with no artistic ability starting to paint proficiently after having an heart donated from a recently deceased person artistically proficient.
Other such examples such as athletic ability being passed on from the donor.
From a scientific standpoint I do not see this as at all surprising: the heart is not just a pump but is also connected to the nervous system and brain.
This sort of thing puts me off from donating. I find it a bit freaky.
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I don't mind if some lucky person inherits my incredible abilities and talents. I'm cool with that. :zoinks:
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I wonder if they keep our memories too :orly:
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There was a man who was declared brain dead and they were just about to harvest his organs for transplant, then he moved his foot. I wonder how often something like that happens.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/24/NotDead.ap/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail
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You can have my heart Callaway :-*
:pinkbeat:
I think I'm flirting with yiou. You can slap me if you want >:D
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I apologise
I'm not feeling quite myself today
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I'm not feeling anyone else either :'(
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Emily Haines would feel nice
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I wonder if a brain transplant is possible.
I could live in another body :orly:
Not in a fat smelly bloke though.
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I could "live in" Emily Haines for a bit tonight
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You can have my heart Callaway :-*
:pinkbeat:
It seems she doesn't want it :(
Rejected again
:dunce:
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Soph, you seem so jolly! I think the meds are kicking in! :laugh:
I feel kind of guilty that I'm not an organ donor. But I agree with Kosmo that there may be something to the reports of people taking on the donor's characteristics. Something about it seems eerie to me, because I feel very connected to my body on some deep level. I don't know. :-\
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I wouldn't mind someone having my personality.
They would be fucked though :green:
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Soph, you seem so jolly! I think the meds are kicking in! :laugh:
I am heartbroken :'(
I miss Starbuline
I'm so hungry it hurts
My feet are cold
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I wouldn't mind someone having my personality.
They would be fucked though :green:
Same here! :laugh:
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You can have my heart Callaway :-*
:pinkbeat:
:heart:
You have a good heart, Soph.
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See!
Better get the portable freezer ready.
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Not like that. She's still using it.
:heart:
:P
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My heart is unusable.
It is crushed.
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Mine is broken into lots of pieces
One of them is in California
But yeah I need my blood-pumping device a while longer :P
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I need to sellotape mine together.
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I would fix mine, but I don't have all the pieces
Other people took them :(
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Is this emo?
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Steal them back.
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Probably
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No they belong with other people now
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You can't really complain then.
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who'sa complaininin?
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u is
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lies
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i neva lie :elvis:
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I think my heart is better now
I haven't had painful heart palpitations in weeks, apart from kind of once from anxiety