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Title: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: jman on March 03, 2008, 06:57:12 AM
The other night I was at a friend's house and they were all smoking pot, however I didn't partake for the simple fact that I am looking for a job and I am afraid if I get hired for a job i really like and want, they'll do a drug test on me and find that weed in my system.

Also I think it's bullshit that companies perform random drug tests on their employees, what business is it there's what you do outside the company?! I also see as a waste of money. The only way I can see it happening is if it may be obvious you are high, there are behavioral issues, or productivity has suddenly gone down, otherwise I don't see the need for it.


What do you guys think? Are companies going too far prying into your business by giving out random drug tests? Personally I think it's violations of my privacy rights.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Sophgay on March 03, 2008, 06:59:41 AM
I think they're going too far

Obviously if you're acting like a fucktard or it's affecting your work, then yes. But you'd think they'd do something about that anyway, regardless of whether said person is on drugs or not.
If someone just happens to be smoking something now and then, at home or with friends, big fucknig deal. They should stay out of it, unless it's affecting their job obviously. There are worse things people can do.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: jman on March 03, 2008, 07:04:41 AM
What i also love is companies will do absolutely nothing about bullying which in fact is more harmful to the work enviroment but yet be so adimant in their part in the "war on drugs" which is ridiculious BTW. Junkies don't need incarcerated, they need help, but thats for another thread.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Sophgay on March 03, 2008, 07:05:17 AM
Yeah more should be done about bullying in the workplace
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: SovaNu on March 03, 2008, 07:11:24 AM
alcohol is unhealthy and weed brownies are not. stupid laws.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: jman on March 03, 2008, 07:14:44 AM
alcohol is unhealthy and weed brownies are not. stupid laws.


actually the test also checks to see if you're coming into work drunk, which would be obvious anyways
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: SovaNu on March 03, 2008, 07:15:48 AM
what if you drank last night?
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: jman on March 03, 2008, 07:16:55 AM
hmmmmm, I don't know  ???
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Peter on March 03, 2008, 07:25:05 AM
I see it as a gross invasion of privacy, but then I see drug laws in general as an unwarranted infringement on my personal freedoms.  Taking cannabis should be just the same as taking alcohol; a problem if you turn up to work under the influence and none of their business otherwise.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Kosmonaut on March 03, 2008, 07:36:43 AM
I think it is more of an American thing.
I have never been tested; the thought of it never bothered me when I was a weed head and looking for work many years ago.
It is an invasion of piracy, but if it is a common thing and you need work, then there's not much you can do.

I don't see the problem either: if you can do the work which you are being paid to do, then why does it matter if you are stoned out of your head?
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Parts on March 03, 2008, 07:48:49 AM
I don't like it what so ever :grrr:  If it's off hours how is it different from drinking a s long as you do not come into work high or drunk. The tests usually just test for the break down products in your system not if you are high when tested.  I take anxiety meds that show up on these things and as much as they say just show them the Rx I believe it's none of their business and that they don't care about the Rx  and consider you guilty or defective for having to take them.  Over the years I had to take one when I got a nail though my hand and applied for workman's comp. Luckily at the time I was on no meds. this whole topic really pisses me off
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Peter on March 03, 2008, 08:07:24 AM
This is disturbing:

Quote from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/524628.stm
The government has set itself on a collision course with civil rights campaigners and lawyers by confirming its intention to introduce mandatory drug-testing of offenders and people under arrest - and to axe the right of defendants to opt for trial by jury.

Maybe they should just adopt compulsory drug testing for everyone.  They could test people at the same time they take a DNA sample for the upcoming compulsory DNA database, and at a stroke incarcerate a tenth of the working population.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Parts on March 03, 2008, 09:54:14 AM
This is disturbing:

Quote from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/524628.stm
The government has set itself on a collision course with civil rights campaigners and lawyers by confirming its intention to introduce mandatory drug-testing of offenders and people under arrest - and to axe the right of defendants to opt for trial by jury.

Maybe they should just adopt compulsory drug testing for everyone.  They could test people at the same time they take a DNA sample for the upcoming compulsory DNA database, and at a stroke incarcerate a tenth of the working population.

That is far more than disturbing it's outrageous I can't believe it was even suggested
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Alex179 on March 03, 2008, 10:23:28 AM
I do not smoke weed at work, it is done on my own time.   I too feel that drug tests are an invasion of my privacy.   Employers over here love to violate your privacy, unfortunately.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: SovaNu on March 03, 2008, 10:49:03 AM
i love your sig, Peter. :P

umm, i don't understand the quote. the disturbing quote.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Peter on March 03, 2008, 11:01:32 AM
i love your sig, Peter. :P

umm, i don't understand the quote. the disturbing quote.

This one?

Quote
The government has set itself on a collision course with civil rights campaigners and lawyers by confirming its intention to introduce mandatory drug-testing of offenders and people under arrest - and to axe the right of defendants to opt for trial by jury.

In 1999, the UK government was considering drug-testing everyone who got arrested, even if they were released without charge.  It also considered eliminating the right of people to demand a trial by jury, and instead leaving it to a magistrate to decide whether the case should go to a jury or not.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: ALLDAYGLOWRANDY on March 03, 2008, 12:16:08 PM
Its fair, your going to have to do what your suppose to do Jman, be respectful for to your employee, otherwise you won't get a raise, and a piece of ass.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: richard on March 03, 2008, 12:22:19 PM
yes its getting harder and harder to get a job i can see, if you want to do drugs just quit right around the time you get hired and after you get hired start doing them again
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Callaway on March 03, 2008, 12:28:31 PM
yes its getting harder and harder to get a job i can see, if you want to do drugs just quit right around the time you get hired and after you get hired start doing them again

Some of them do hair follicle drug tests, which can tell which drugs you have taken and when in the past six to eight months.  That is the kind of test my husband had to take for a job.  I read that this was the reason Britney Spears shaved her own head, because she believed that she was going to be ordered to take a hair follicle drug test when she and her ex-husband were battling for custody of their sons.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: ALLDAYGLOWRANDY on March 03, 2008, 12:29:14 PM
Ok, mess up your job history to.

Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Parts on March 03, 2008, 12:35:37 PM
yes its getting harder and harder to get a job i can see, if you want to do drugs just quit right around the time you get hired and after you get hired start doing them again

Some of them do hair follicle drug tests, which can tell which drugs you have taken and when in the past six to eight months.  That is the kind of test my husband had to take for a job.  I read that this was the reason Britney Spears shaved her own head, because she believed that she was going to be ordered to take a hair follicle drug test when she and her ex-husband were battling for custody of their sons.

Well that's one good thing about losing your hair :laugh:
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: richard on March 03, 2008, 12:41:28 PM
yes its getting harder and harder to get a job i can see, if you want to do drugs just quit right around the time you get hired and after you get hired start doing them again

Some of them do hair follicle drug tests, which can tell which drugs you have taken and when in the past six to eight months.  That is the kind of test my husband had to take for a job.  I read that this was the reason Britney Spears shaved her own head, because she believed that she was going to be ordered to take a hair follicle drug test when she and her ex-husband were battling for custody of their sons.
yes, but dont only the higher end jobs do those kinds of tests? jman is going to be working at mcdonalds so im shure they'll just give him a piss test :laugh:
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Parts on March 03, 2008, 01:08:31 PM
Target tests so do many other low level jobs I always wonder where they get their workers
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: jman on March 04, 2008, 05:14:06 PM
yes its getting harder and harder to get a job i can see, if you want to do drugs just quit right around the time you get hired and after you get hired start doing them again

Some of them do hair follicle drug tests, which can tell which drugs you have taken and when in the past six to eight months.  That is the kind of test my husband had to take for a job.  I read that this was the reason Britney Spears shaved her own head, because she believed that she was going to be ordered to take a hair follicle drug test when she and her ex-husband were battling for custody of their sons.
yes, but dont only the higher end jobs do those kinds of tests? jman is going to be working at mcdonalds so im shure they'll just give him a piss test :laugh:


Richard you fucking idiot, I actually have credentials and have worked much higher jobs than you'll ever acheive in your lifetime
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: jman on March 04, 2008, 05:14:31 PM
yes its getting harder and harder to get a job i can see, if you want to do drugs just quit right around the time you get hired and after you get hired start doing them again

Some of them do hair follicle drug tests, which can tell which drugs you have taken and when in the past six to eight months.  That is the kind of test my husband had to take for a job.  I read that this was the reason Britney Spears shaved her own head, because she believed that she was going to be ordered to take a hair follicle drug test when she and her ex-husband were battling for custody of their sons.


What kind of job was this?
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: richard on March 04, 2008, 05:32:02 PM
yes its getting harder and harder to get a job i can see, if you want to do drugs just quit right around the time you get hired and after you get hired start doing them again

Some of them do hair follicle drug tests, which can tell which drugs you have taken and when in the past six to eight months.  That is the kind of test my husband had to take for a job.  I read that this was the reason Britney Spears shaved her own head, because she believed that she was going to be ordered to take a hair follicle drug test when she and her ex-husband were battling for custody of their sons.
yes, but dont only the higher end jobs do those kinds of tests? jman is going to be working at mcdonalds so im shure they'll just give him a piss test :laugh:
Richard you fucking idiot, I actually have credentials and have worked much higher jobs than you'll ever acheive in your lifetime
:toporly:
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: SovaNu on March 04, 2008, 06:14:37 PM
do any of you druggies know if you can take paracetamol with weed? :P
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: DirtDawg on March 04, 2008, 07:00:34 PM
yes its getting harder and harder to get a job i can see, if you want to do drugs just quit right around the time you get hired and after you get hired start doing them again

I had to be tested before I could start to work at Best Buy. In fact they give you only twenty four hours to complete the tests or your job offer goes away. I don't know if they do random tests, though. I really don't think so. Every day at work is a test in some ways. You could not get away with going slacker up there.

Some drugs remain detectable in your system for up to ninety days, especially pot. If you are a daily user of pot, it could take even longer to leave your system.*

Stopping the use of drugs far enough in advance of a test will get you by in the beginning, but a random drug testing policy, which I think is certainly a crock of shit/invasion of privacy could still catch you if you go back to doing drugs.

They only need a "breath-alyser" (blow through a tube) to find if you are coming to work drunk. Alcohol leaves the body within six hours, most of the time. The chronic drinker may have residual effects for several months after going sober, though.


*BTW, I was talking about a urinary test. If the take hair follicles or fat cells you're fucked.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: DirtDawg on March 04, 2008, 07:05:50 PM
do any of you druggies know if you can take paracetamol with weed? :P

What would be the benefit?
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: duncvis on March 04, 2008, 07:25:22 PM
do any of you druggies know if you can take paracetamol with weed? :P

 :laugh:

yes.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: ozymandias on March 04, 2008, 07:52:27 PM
I have to take a drug test every time I take a nursing job.  Fact of life in the medical field.   ::)
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Parts on March 04, 2008, 08:33:44 PM
most companys out there doing the drug testing could care less about recreational drug use, as long as it doesnt affect your performance at work. the tests are actually required by their insurance companys. if you get hurt at work and they find drugs in your system, the insurance company isnt liable to pay any claims(happened to me and i even ended up paying for the drug test, WTF?).  also many insurance companys will give big discounts on health insurance to companys that agree to do pre-employment and random tests. most insurance companys require drug testing to be eligible for group health insurance.
In Ct if they don't require one on hire they can't make you take one to get workman's comp which is why so many require it on hire now ::)
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Parts on March 04, 2008, 08:47:10 PM
... they can't make you take one to get workman's comp...

thats awesome, should be like that everywhere! but like you said, theyll find a way around it.
Now most places give them to you here because of that and they do things like test everyone when they change insurance so they can enforce it
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Callaway on March 04, 2008, 10:51:23 PM
yes its getting harder and harder to get a job i can see, if you want to do drugs just quit right around the time you get hired and after you get hired start doing them again

Some of them do hair follicle drug tests, which can tell which drugs you have taken and when in the past six to eight months.  That is the kind of test my husband had to take for a job.  I read that this was the reason Britney Spears shaved her own head, because she believed that she was going to be ordered to take a hair follicle drug test when she and her ex-husband were battling for custody of their sons.


What kind of job was this?

Computer programmer.

What kind of job are you looking for?
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: jman on March 04, 2008, 10:52:12 PM
a simiilar type job...


system admin or comptuer tech


I haven't done any drugs lately despite ample opportunity, its just this whole thing pisses me off, it;s none of their fucking business.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Callaway on March 04, 2008, 11:00:27 PM
a simiilar type job...


system admin or comptuer tech


I haven't done any drugs lately despite ample opportunity, its just this whole thing pisses me off, it;s none of their fucking business.

I agree that it's none of their business unless it affects your job performance in some way, but a lot of them are requiring it these days.

The test was done at an independent drug testing place, and they had a list for all prescription medications, so prescription medications were safe to take.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Peter on March 05, 2008, 06:20:07 AM
It would be an interesting experiment to introduce small amounts of cannabinoids into the drinking water or the cafeteria food at a large corporate office which had a random drug testing and mandatory sacking policy; not enough for people to notice, but enough for it to show up in tests.  What would the company do when 80% of it's employees suddenly tested positive?  Sacking them all would be corporate suicide.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: SovaNu on March 05, 2008, 06:23:31 AM
weed sucks.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Peter on March 05, 2008, 06:25:08 AM
weed sucks.

You're supposed to suck on the weed, not the other way around.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Parts on March 05, 2008, 06:31:20 AM
It would be an interesting experiment to introduce small amounts of cannabinoids into the drinking water or the cafeteria food at a large corporate office which had a random drug testing and mandatory sacking policy; not enough for people to notice, but enough for it to show up in tests.  What would the company do when 80% of it's employees suddenly tested positive?  Sacking them all would be corporate suicide.

They'd keep the good ones saying it was a faulty test and sack the rest including all the support workers(janitors,cooks,ect)
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: SovaNu on March 05, 2008, 06:34:39 AM
weed sucks.

You're supposed to suck on the weed, not the other way around.

i did more than suck. i ate the dang thing.
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Parts on March 05, 2008, 06:42:51 AM
weed sucks.

You're supposed to suck on the weed, not the other way around.

i did more than suck. i ate the dang thing.

Takes a lot more when you eat it than when smoke it
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: SovaNu on March 05, 2008, 06:54:26 AM
more what?

it was strong as hell. i'm still recovering 11 hours later... feel a little broken. :(
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Parts on March 05, 2008, 07:00:16 AM
more what?

it was strong as hell. i'm still recovering 11 hours later... feel a little broken. :(

How much did you eat?
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: DirtDawg on March 05, 2008, 07:34:53 AM
weed sucks.

You're supposed to suck on the weed, not the other way around.

i did more than suck. i ate the dang thing.

Takes a lot more when you eat it than when smoke it

That really depends on several factors.

First is the freshness of the product, but the growing conditions affect not only the concentrations of active ingredients, but the balance of certain ones. The more volatile oils, which the digestive tract can break down easily, escape to evaporation quickly if not ingested soon after the plant stops growing.

Another point about the most volatile oils is that they are only present as hormones during the end of the plant's reproductive cycle and if the herb is cut at anytime other than the flowering stage, the less volatile (and more difficult to digest) growth hormones are the most prominent.

People who use typical dried, commercially available herb for teas and cakes are not able to release the oils as efficiently (especially if the oils have already evaporated) as when the herb is freshly cut and only partially dried. Not even mentioning the fact that often commercially available herb has been cut for a year or more before it reaches its destination, often stored in terrible conditions, alternating heat and moisture levels. There is barely anything of the essential oils left.

Cut it when it is flowering and dry it for about a day in shade, then make your tea and cakes and teacakes and caketeas and .......

I have also heard that there is something "special" that happens when combined with chocolate, but I have no first hand experience with this effect or if it actually does make a difference.. I do know that herbal brownies are popular, but I always thought it was because the flavors of chocolate and sweeteners were better at hiding the flavors of the herb.

Kind of funny giving a stealth-bomb brownie to an uptight asshole and watching him get stoned.

:D
Title: Re: random drug tests in the work place
Post by: Alex179 on March 05, 2008, 08:58:05 AM
more what?

it was strong as hell. i'm still recovering 11 hours later... feel a little broken. :(
Oh you went to sleep on it.   Hash/Weed brownies can put you into a stupor.   Smoking some kind bud is better most of the time.   Smoking hash can be harsh.