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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Merry Widow on June 27, 2006, 03:51:00 PM
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is there actually any reason why some people still eat meat in this day and age? because i can't think of one.
the benefits of being vegetarian are obvious:
1. it's healthier - you are less likely to develop heart disease or even cancer, most food scares tend to be related to meat (rather than dairy or anything else) and you are less likely to get food-poisoning from badly prepared / out-of-date food.
2. it's kind to animals. 8)
3. it's more environmentally friendly (growing vegetables uses less resources than producing meat).
i'm just curious to know if there are any reasons why people eat meat, other than that they think it tastes nice.
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The dogs like it.
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It's a lot cheaper and more convenient than making sure you're getting enough protein from other sources.
I've already got enough diet restrictions, the last thing I want is more.
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me man
me like meat
humpf.
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Dennis Leary said it best: "Eggplant tastes like eggplant. But meat tastes like murder, and murder tastes pretty goddamn good."
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It's a lot cheaper and more convenient than making sure you're getting enough protein from other sources.
nuff said. Also worth considering:
veg based food usually needs something interesting doing with it to make it edible, but even I can cook burgers.
Also would end up half starved and miserable. Its a pretty key ingredient in most stuff thats worth eating... (pies, pizza toppings, pies, most sandwiches - when I was a veggie for a while I got sick of cheese - battered almost anything...) So I'll give it a miss for now, ta.
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Seriously though, I'm not a huge meat eater but veggies and fruits are expensive nowadays. It's also the meat's fault for tasting so good. I like my veggies, but I like seafood a lot more. They're so good with their succulent little juices. If I was told that if I ever ate another piece of meat again I would die, I would probably eat another piece of meat. And blame advertising. Everywhere I go there are cows on signs telling me to eat more chicken. And dammit I like chicken!
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What about all the animals killed when the soybean fields are harvested with tractors?
It's impossible to live in this world without harming an animal, even unintentionally. Ever take an aspirin? Animals are harmed when any drug is tested. Or those leather shoes, watch band, etc.
Vegetarians seem to fall into two categories:
Fat, because all they eat are carbs
Obnoxious, because they spend all their time obsessing about what they can't eat.
We're lucky to have food readily and easily, IMO.
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most meat i can't eat because it upsets my digestion. the trouble is a lot of beans and nuts also upset my digestion. >:(
so i guess i end up having about 4 or 5 meals a week which have chicken or sometimes fish. and now i'm probably developing an intolerance to chicken. grrrr! :(
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I must agree with Omega on this issue.
I am a vegetarian, however maybe its just easier for me to stay that way, not just because of my personal views, but due to the fact ive been a vegetarian since a very young age. I also dont have any probs finding what to eat. :)
I actually couldnt eat meat anyways even if i wanted to (which i dont), quite some time ago when i was ill, it was suggested i try eating certain meat products to get extra protein, i tried a few times, but it made me even more physically ill. It was suggested due to the fact id been a vegetarian for so long my body may have built some sort of immunity to eating meat. I personally think it was a combination of that plus possibly psychological thing related to the fact i actually didnt want to eat meat and hated it etc
There is still a need for drugs to be tested on animals as there arent any other better options (prob wont ever be however there could be better testing methods, selection process etc), But there isnt really any need for people to still eat animals, there are other options.
Dont know if Omega agrees with that, but thats the way i see it.
Each to their own though. :)
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I understand your reasoning for being vegetarian but why are you not vegan if animal welfare and health are concerns?
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BTW- I'm not a veggie cos I love to eat the meat ;)
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He he, Hypnotica agrees...
I know quite a bit about nutrition, being that it affects mood. When you leave a food group out, you increase your chances of missing out on extra or necessary benefits. I could go into complex detail if you want. You want to think about animals? Some farmers cage their animals up tightly, but that makes for tender meat. They also may feed them food they would not naturally eat in the wild. Grass makes for far more nutritious meat than than the grains they feed their cows.
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I like eating meat, but if Vivi ever cooks me a delicious vegetarian meal, I'll go for it.
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Meat and Eggs are almost pretty much the only things i dont eat.
Im not Vegan. I drink organic milk, and eat organic cheese suitable for vegetarians. For a couple of reasons.
Its also a little different compared to actually eating an animal. :)
But those are just my preferences, as i said before, some things suit some, and some things suit others more.
Yes some people can be affected by cutting out some types of food, same way others can be affected by eating certain types.
I know a poor sod who is on such a shit diet due to the way certain foods affect her, she has several intolerances and cant eat all these different things, and by god id be a miserable cunt if i was her, i like my food too much. AND AND AND She cant even eat chocolate, imagine the horror!! ::)
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I like eating meat, but if Vivi ever cooks me a delicious vegetarian meal, I'll go for it.
of course i will, once i've finished the marking. and you can fix my mp3 player, which is suffering from DICS (Dunking In Coffee Syndrome). anyway, you deserve something nice, with your new title, which is fucking hilarious.
AND AND AND She cant even eat chocolate, imagine the horror!!
no. not even for an instant. that sort of nightmare is completely beyond my consciousness to even dream of comprehending. my brain has shut down...
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AND AND AND She cant even eat chocolate, imagine the horror!!
I laugh at your horror, Hypnotica. Its rather easy to get rid of such pressures or cravings, whatever you want to call them.
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I don't buy the whole its cruel to animals thing. We're animals too damnit!! and for me to go more than two days without sinking my teeth into an animal carcass would be pure torture
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Meat and Eggs are almost pretty much the only things i dont eat.
Im not Vegan. I drink organic milk, and eat organic cheese suitable for vegetarians. For a couple of reasons.
Its also a little different compared to actually eating an animal. :)
Yes it is different and if you can afford organic then good for you for buying it. But my point was if animal welfare was a concern in a choice to be a veggie how can you also support the dairy industry? (which admitedly is probably less cruel with organic farming). Is it worse to kill an animal for food or to treat that animal cruelly until they become to old to be of any use?
Just to clarify I am not a veggie or a vegan- just playing devil's advocate. >:D
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its evolution, its the pecking order, and its the food chain.
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its evolution, its the pecking order, and its the food chain.
If we didn't keep chickens alive in pens to be eaten by us, they'd have been eaten by other animals to extinction by now.
Saving endangered species/habitats, yeah I wish we'd be doing a bit more toward that. Not eating animals = just sanctimonious masturbation
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its evolution, its the pecking order, and its the food chain.
I agree. This pecking order applies to walmart too, doesn't it Mc Jagger?
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that would be Mr. Mcjagger when you take that tone with me.
yes, you are correct, are you content to have walmart being the top dog?
stealing from the masses?
and keeping the common worker under their thumb?
we have ability to change our lot, as it pertains to walmart.
the chickens dont. :'(
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What I don't understand are the people who don't eat meat but then continue to eat eggs and dairy products. Wtf? That stuff is just as bad for you. Maybe yogurt has some benefits due to the live cultures but pasteurized milks and cheeses are no good for you at all.
I also believe that most cases of Alzheimer's and other dementia are actually undiagnosed mad cow disease.
Or the people who think it's better to eat organic meat. Like the animal doesn't have to be killed even if it was raised organically?
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I suppose you did not find my joke funny. People think I am doing an AS thing when I laugh at inappropiate times, but actually its better than getting upset. Â Laugh with Mr. Mc Jagger!!!!!!
Walmart can go fuck themselves, which they are slowly doing.
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thjey definately have the dick sized for it.
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What I don't understand are the people who don't eat meat but then continue to eat eggs and dairy products. Wtf? That stuff is just as bad for you.
Meat and eggs and dairy products are good, and good for us. Look at all those sexy people in the 'Got Milk' commercials. This country was raised on cows and chickens, we should be proud of our heritage!
Life's too short to eat tofu.
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It's a lot cheaper...
i didn't know that (i've never bought meat). that really surprises me.
its evolution, its the pecking order, and its the food chain.
well, i see choosing to not eat meat as evolutionary.
Not eating animals = just sanctimonious masturbation
hmmm..... i wonder what Happeh's views are on vegetarianism. :laugh:
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It's a lot cheaper...
i didn't know that (i've never bought meat). that really surprises me.
Oh believe it. Whenever I make stir fry, the meat is the easiest and cheapest part to get. Getting all the other ingredients is a pain in the ass. Scallions, onions, peppers, carrots, sesame seeds, potatoes, cabbage, etc. And I usually have to go to multiple places for the veggies because no one store will ever have good picks for all of them, or have reasonable prices. Most stores usually have different cuts of meat that I can work with so it's the only no hassle ingredient in the lot.
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I understand your reasoning for being vegetarian but why are you not vegan if animal welfare and health are concerns?
You missed a question Omega :)
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Right now one can get a double cheese burger for $0.99 at the local fast food place.
Salads start at $3.99
I'm to cheap to buy the salad.
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I understand your reasoning for being vegetarian but why are you not vegan if animal welfare and health are concerns?
You missed a question Omega :)
sorry, i didn't realise that question was for me!
i used to be vegan (for about a year); but i got fed up with checking lists of ingredients on everything that i bought.
in the end, i decided that it was pointless forsaking dairy products when so many people still eat meat. if there came a day when eating meat became illegal (i'm not suggesting that it's likely to happen), then i would taken my vegetarianism to the next level and go back to being vegan.
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I understand your reasoning for being vegetarian but why are you not vegan if animal welfare and health are concerns?
You missed a question Omega :)
sorry, i didn't realise that question was for me!
i used to be vegan (for about a year); but i got fed up with checking lists of ingredients on everything that i bought.
in the end, i decided that it was pointless forsaking dairy products when so many people still eat meat. if there came a day when eating meat became illegal (i'm not suggesting that it's likely to happen), then i would taken my vegetarianism to the next level and go back to being vegan.
I just wonder why you would be against animals being killed, but still support the cruelty that goes on in the dairy industry? I would think years of ill treatment, until the animal are too old to be of any use was much worse than a quick death.
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I was a vegetarian for a while- but I agree with what others have said it cost me a lot more to buy enough veggies and enough variety of food and it also took me a lot longer to prepare food- otherwise we were eating the same thing every night. That is only one of the reasons why I stopped though- I feel that there are ethical concerns even if you are a vegetatrian or vegan- but these ethical concerns are about people rather than animals. Unless you can afford to always buy local, seasonal veg (or choose from the limited range of fairtrade stuff) you are often supporting the exploitation of humans in poorer countries. Then there's the environmental impact of transporting this fruit and veg out of season from other countries. Basically all the choices we make can have an impact on someone else.
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I just wonder why you would be against animals being killed, but still support the cruelty that goes on in the dairy industry? I would think years of ill treatment, until the animal are too old to be of any use was much worse than a quick death.
i guess i feel that boycotting meat is slightly better than supporting the meat and dairy industry. i got really fed up with going through lists of ingredients while i was shopping when i was vegan; if food products were more clearly labelled, i would consider becoming vegan again. sometimes it can be tricky just ensuring that the food i buy is vegetarian (pork in yogurts etc). although, shops do seem to be gradually improving the way that food is labelled.
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I agree that you need to be flexible with your principles sometimes for your own physical and mental wellbeing- I guess I just have an interest in why people make the decisions that they do.
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anorexia is the only true moral choice :angel:
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i support the right to binge and purge.
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Tastes great. Do I need any other reason?
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I'm almost a vegetarian.
I only eat animals that eat grass.
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me man
me like meat
humpf.
do you like to eat it? or do you prefer tor take it up your ass?
Just wondering.
As it happens, me female, so me hasn't got the tackle to oblige, either way.
Oh, and I'm lacto-vegetarian, for the record. And I'd probably be vegan. for the very good reasons already stated by others, if not for the perennial problem of having to live in the real world, like others. When meat goes out of fashion. I'll likely reconsider.
~Walkie
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me man
me like meat
humpf.
do you like to eat it? or do you prefer tor take it up your ass?
Just wondering.
As it happens, me female, so me hasn't got the tackle to oblige, either way.
Oh, and I'm lacto-vegetarian, for the record. And I'd probably be vegan. for the very good reasons already stated by others, if not for the perennial problem of having to live in the real world, like others. When meat goes out of fashion. I'll likely reconsider.
~Walkie
well, i do like a thumb up my ass at the moment of orgasm.
good one walkie, you got me.
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I'm almost a vegetarian.
I only eat animals that eat grass.
LOL
Do you eat snails?
What about animals from the ocean?
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i'm curious to know if the meat-eaters here would be prepared to eat a retarded child, if it was proven that the (hypothetical) child had less potential for intelligence and a less well-developed nervous system than some of the animals that they eat.
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Only with some fava beans and a nice Chianti. ::)
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what, a whole one?
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Depends how fat it was...
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or how hungry you were.
or, obviously, whether or not it was in a piiiiiiiie.
;)
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I find pork a bit too sweet and salty as it is; I doubt I'd like human much.
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If I cut out meat, there'd be very little left to me that I could eat. It's something that agrees very well with me, and I like it a lot. I also believe that it's an important and healthful part of my diet, and that cutting it out would be detrimental to my health.
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In the Bible Daniel shows being a vegetarian is good for You. ;D
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In the Bible Daniel shows being a vegetarian is good for You. ;D
The bible also describes someone walking on water, coming back from the dead and rising to heaven, so I don't think it's really the best source of scientific information in the 21st century.
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In the Bible Daniel shows being a vegetarian is good for You. ;D
The bible also describes someone walking on water, coming back from the dead and rising to heaven, so I don't think it's really the best source of scientific information in the 21st century.
I was just relating a story not trying to be scientific or anything like that. ::)
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In the Bible Daniel shows being a vegetarian is good for You. ;D
The bible also describes someone walking on water, coming back from the dead and rising to heaven, so I don't think it's really the best source of scientific information in the 21st century.
indeed. but i don't think it cuts the mustard, to argue that lentils and bread etc. are a digestive nightmare when you eat meat, which is well known to be so, eh? not trying to score points here, by the way, just interested in your reasoning.
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In the Bible Daniel shows being a vegetarian is good for You. ;D
The bible also describes someone walking on water, coming back from the dead and rising to heaven, so I don't think it's really the best source of scientific information in the 21st century.
indeed. but i don't think it cuts the mustard, to argue that lentils and bread etc. are a digestive nightmare when you eat meat, which is well known to be so, eh? not trying to score points here, by the way, just interested in your reasoning.
What sort of digestive problems does meat cause, and under what conditions? The only times I've had heartburn from meat has been when it was corned beef or some similar semi-meat horror, and while I'm aware that meat can be associated with constipation and stinking faeces, that's a complete non-issue in a balanced diet with lots of fibre from fruit and veg. It contains no peptide inhibitors as grains do, no silicon spine armour to irritate the GI tract, no toxins or antifeedants... I personally find it a most agreeable substance, and see no reason why other people would have difficulty with it, unless they'd charred it to a cinder, ate it with plant foods high in peptide-inhibitors, had no fibre in their diet to accompany it or commited some other similar error that's got nothing to do with the digestability of meat itself.
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takes fucking ages to move right through the digestive tract, apparently, and causes all sorts of disease and shit, even with a balanced diet to back it up.
anyway, one man's meat is another man's poison, or - as you put it - "Some people do fine on these new foods, but others lack adaptations to them. One person's hearty breakfast is another person's heart burn."
i have no argument with anyone who wants to eat meat themselves, as long as it's organic and humanely farmed, but i do take issue with people thrusting their dietary facism down my throat, ta. ;)
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Meat seems to trot along my digestive tract at quite an impressive rate, carried along by all the other stuff I eat. If anyone has it sitting in their colon for a week, an increase of fibre and fluids would seem to be the answer. It's not like the meat can cling on while the rest of the stuff passes by; if you're shitting daily or more, it's going to exit your GI tract in a timely fashion. I'm a 2-3 times daily sort myself.
Anyway, good luck with your own dietary choices. I'm sure they suit your individual needs quite well.
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lol. probably not, to be honest. but then my psychological difficulties with food in general tend to outweigh my physical needs. if i have to think too carefully about what i eat, more so than i already do, i'd be suicidal within days (it's happened before). and it's bad enough trying not to overeat since stopping smoking, frankly.
not a happy meeting of concepts, me and food. :(
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lol. probably not, to be honest. but then my psychological difficulties with food in general tend to outweigh my physical needs. if i have to think too carefully about what i eat, more so than i already do, i'd be suicidal within days (it's happened before). and it's bad enough trying not to overeat since stopping smoking, frankly.
not a happy meeting of concepts, me and food. :(
You drink coffee?
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but i do take issue with people thrusting their dietary facism down my throat, ta. ;)
Agreed.
Also can relate to your post about psychological food issues.
My food choices revolve around the following:
1. Cost
2. My inability to eat simple carbs
3. MS's need for large amounts of protein due to large muscle mass and physically demanding job.
4. Living in Hawaii with a year-round growing season, we have a garden as well as locally-grown produce available for cheap at the farmer's markets.
So we eat meat and lots of local produce. I'm getting hungry now...
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You drink coffee?
yep. moving onto decaff as we speak (cut down drastically, which is good), but giving up smoking, then caffeine is enough ta v much, and dairy and wheat will have to wait. besides, the nightmare about putting on weight has just hit me (yesterday), and so i'm a bit overwhelmed and freaked out by the whole thing.
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but i do take issue with people thrusting their dietary facism down my throat, ta. ;)
Agreed.
Also can relate to your post about psychological food issues.
i really am a firm believer in live and let live, but only if thise life choices are responsible as regards the big picture, as it were. so, it's up to others if they eat meat - i haven't since 1980, for ethical reasons, initially - but if it's not organic, and pollutes the environment, or does the McCunts thing and destroys rainforest, then i WILL stick my political and enivironmental facism down others' throats, cos it's about not being selfish, and taking responsibility for one's actions.
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You drink coffee?
yep. moving onto decaff as we speak (cut down drastically, which is good), but giving up smoking, then caffeine is enough ta v much, and dairy and wheat will have to wait. besides, the nightmare about putting on weight has just hit me (yesterday), and so i'm a bit overwhelmed and freaked out by the whole thing.
Yeah, coffee is killer on the digestive sytem, but don't try to overdo things. You have to wean yourself off the junk a little at a time, because you will start to have withdrawals. Not only from the coffee, but also from the food. Which will lead to binging. Try not to pay too much attention to how much you weigh. If you're exercising, you won't have too much to worry about. Also, when you change what you're eating and drinking, the weight tends to fluctuate. You know your body. Just go by how clothes feel and look on you.
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if it's not organic, and pollutes the environment, or does the McCunts thing and destroys rainforest, then i WILL stick my political and enivironmental facism down others' throats, cos it's about not being selfish, and taking responsibility for one's actions.
I wonder what liberal narks and do-gooders would say to people who opposed gay marriage on the basis that the continuing undermining of traditional marriage is bad for society and that the people who are demanding gay rights are really more interested in fulfilling their selfish desires than in doing what's good for society.
I find that even as Britain descends into barbarism and we are almost powerless to stop it, some people still think we have the power to make life better for people on the other side of the planet.
I'm reminded of PI who tried to make me feel guilty on one thread for not boycotting Nike.
Well, maybe boycotting certain products is one of the few ways we can actually affect lives on the other side of the planet.
But is it always for the better? I'm not convinced. Take the following article for instance:
From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/03/13/do1304.xml
A little pesticide does you good but 'organic' farming harms the world
by Dick Taverne
(Filed: 13/03/2005)
Our health is threatened not by chemicals and GM crops but by the eco-fundamentalists and their crusade against intensive agriculture: in an extract from his new book, Dick Taverne demolishes the myths and pseudo science of the organic movement.
Nowadays "organic farming" commands such wide public support that to question its merits is to question the virtues of motherhood. Nearly every famous cookery expert takes it for granted that organic food tastes better and is more nutritious and healthier. Nearly every environmentalist is convinced that organic farming is better for the environment.
The British Government subsidises farmers to convert to organic farming, and in 2002 an official Commission on Farming and Food recommended that even more money should be spent to ensure that organic farming plays a larger role in agriculture.
Evidence to justify this enthusiasm has proved elusive. The Food Standards Agency (FSA), set up to examine evidence about the safety of food and to protect the interests of consumers, has persistently refused to uphold claims for the superiority of organic food, much to the chagrin of the Soil Association, the voice of organic farming in Britain. In January 2004 the FSA stated: "On the basis of current evidence, the Agency's assessment is that organic food is not significantly different in terms of food safety and nutrition from food produced conventionally." When a complaint was made to the Advertising Standards Authority that recruiting leaflets published by the Soil Association made misleading statements, claiming that organic food tastes better, is healthier, and is better for the environment, the Authority found no convincing evidence to support the claims and the leaflets had to be withdrawn.
The philosophical reasons for supporting organic farming are part of the "back-to-nature" syndrome. Like alternative medicine, they are based on the belief that "nature knows best" and that what is natural must be good. It is nostalgia for a mythical golden age of small-scale and simple farming and pure and wholesome farm produce. Such a paradise never existed. In the days before intensive farming, when farmers did not use pesticides or artificial fertilisers, food supplies were constantly endangered through climatic and environmental fluctuations and crops were frequently lost to pests and diseases. Agriculture was associated with grinding poverty, intensive labour, and low yield.
In the last 50 years, since synthetic chemicals came to be widely used, our life expectancy has increased by seven years or more. Healthier and safer food, together with better health provision, has improved our physical well-being and increased longevity, and modern agriculture deserves much of the credit.
Since the main reason given for buying organic food is to avoid pesticide residues, the question has to be asked: Is organic food safer? The Soil Association plays on the public's concern, as do a number of other campaigning organisations that have helped to create a food-scare industry. In November 1998 the Consumers' Association magazine Which? under the heading "Pesticide Concerns", carried a story that test results from animal studies linked high doses of pesticides with cancers, hormone disturbances, and birth defects. It did not mention that high doses of anything cause harm, or that official reports on the concentrations of pesticide residues in food found that the amounts present were so low as not to be a hazard to health.
There is evidence that low concentrations of many toxic chemicals may actually have a beneficial effect. Examples are, of course, familiar. A small dose of aspirin mitigates a headache and can help prevent heart attacks, but a larger dose can kill. It is not generally realised that this dose-related effect is also known to apply to many supposedly toxic chemicals, including arsenic, dioxins, some pesticides and fungicides. In fact, a little bit of poison or pollution can do you good, and serves to reduce the incidence of cancer. More than 30 separate investigations of about 500,000 people have shown that farmers, millers, pesticide-users, and foresters, occupationally exposed to much higher levels of pesticide than the general public, have much lower rates of cancer overall.
By demanding total elimination of all pesticide residues from our foodstuffs, the organic movement promotes an unreasonable fear of chemicals and scares us about non-existent dangers. The public is not made aware of their beneficial effect on our general health.
DDT is another good example of a chemical that saved millions of lives by eliminating malarial mosquitoes yet was banned after environmentalists - including Rachel Carson, author of The Silent Spring - accused it of causing cancers. Yet not a single study shows that exposure to DDT damages the health of human beings. In Sri Lanka alone, the reported number of malaria cases rose from just 17 in 1963 to more than a million in 1968 after DDT was banned.
Possibly the most telling indictment of organic farming is its inefficiency, its high cost and its wasteful use of land. The facts cannot be seriously disputed: yields of most crops from organic farms are about 20-50 per cent lower than from conventional farming. That is why organic food costs more.
Efficiency matters. It affects the health of low-income families. Even in a prosperous society like Britain we should not ignore the importance of cheaper ways of producing food, provided they are not based on intolerable breeding conditions for animals. Prosperous middle-class consumers may not care about price, but the poorer you are, the more the price of food matters. Pesticides keep down the cost of fruit and vegetables and if the organic lobby prevails they will become more expensive. People in the lower-income groups will buy less; this is all the more important since they are now exhorted to eat more of them to help control obesity. Moreover, the more pervasive the propaganda that more expensive organic food is "safer and healthier", the greater the pressures on poorer families to buy food they can ill afford. Their diet will suffer and they will lose the protection against cancer that a healthy diet provides. More will die younger.
The environment also suffers if farming is inefficient. Organic farming wastes farmland. Since Europe produces an excess of food as a result of efficient farming, farmers can be encouraged to set aside half their land for environmental purposes.
However, all these considerations are minor compared with the world as a whole. Farmers in Africa and Asia are already organic: they do not use pesticides or artificial fertilisers because they cannot afford them. The Green Revolution passed them by, which was one of its failures. The organic movement seeks to go back to the days before the Green Revolution. Unlike GM crops it cannot help eliminate the pests and diseases that destroy nearly half the crops in Africa, or the development of drought-resistant crops that can grow on arid or semi-arid land. It cannot even match the yields which conventional farming already achieves.
Organic farming may satisfy the whim of the rich European or American consumer; its extension to the developing world would be a disaster. As the Indian biotechnologist, C S Prakash, has correctly observed: "The only thing sustainable about organic farming in the developing world is that it sustains poverty and malnutrition."
• Taken from The March of Unreason: Science Democracy and the New Fundamentalism by Dick Taverne, published by OUP, £18.99.
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the olympic standard cherry picker strikes again... ::)
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the olympic standard cherry picker strikes again... ::)
Cherry picker? Pick my arse.
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in your dreams, sweetheart, in your dreams...
:P
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but i do take issue with people thrusting their dietary facism down my throat, ta. ;)
So this means that if I choose to eat at a certain fast food place and mention the fact here, I don't get jumped on? Or did I miss something? ;)
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EAT CHICKEN
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i really am a firm believer in live and let live, but only if thise life choices are responsible as regards the big picture, as it were. so, it's up to others if they eat meat - i haven't since 1980, for ethical reasons, initially - but if it's not organic, and pollutes the environment, or does the McCunts thing and destroys rainforest, then i WILL stick my political and enivironmental facism down others' throats, cos it's about not being selfish, and taking responsibility for one's actions.
Just being alive is detrimental to our environment. So clearly the only ethical thing is to not reproduce. I screwed that one up already, twice, but I figure if I don't have any more, then I won't burn in hell.
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but i do take issue with people thrusting their dietary facism down my throat, ta. ;)
So this means that if I choose to eat at a certain fast food place and mention the fact here, I don't get jumped on? Or did I miss something? ;)
see below:
i really am a firm believer in live and let live, but only if thise life choices are responsible as regards the big picture, as it were. so, it's up to others if they eat meat - i haven't since 1980, for ethical reasons, initially - but if it's not organic, and pollutes the environment, or does the McCunts thing and destroys rainforest, then i WILL stick my political and enivironmental facism down others' throats, cos it's about not being selfish, and taking responsibility for one's actions.
so you may be safe from me - educated choice, and all that.
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i'm curious to know if the meat-eaters here would be prepared to eat a retarded child, if it was proven that the (hypothetical) child had less potential for intelligence and a less well-developed nervous system than some of the animals that they eat.
Queen Omega, would you like me to eat you?
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In the Bible Daniel shows being a vegetarian is good for You. ;D
also that humans are not tasty. according to the lions.
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Queen Omega,  would you like me to eat you?
that depends what you mean by "eat," McJagger. LOL.
actually, that's another reason for being vegetarian: apparently, they taste  nicer.  :-\
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actually, that's another reason for being vegetarian: apparently, they taste nicer. :-\
true, so i've been told...
;)
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actually, that's another reason for being vegetarian: apparently, they taste nicer. :-\
true, so i've been told...
;)
Great; not only are you weaker because you've got less muscle mass, but you're also more appetising. If I ever go anywhere that's got man-eating animals or cannibals, I'm going on the Atkin's diet.
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but i ain't got that much meat on me.
i have got some good muscles, though. i mean, my penis is really quite amazing.
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actually, that's another reason for being vegetarian: apparently, they taste nicer. :-\
true, so i've been told...
;)
Great; not only are you weaker because you've got less muscle mass, but you're also more appetising. If I ever go anywhere that's got man-eating animals or cannibals, I'm going on the Atkin's diet.Â
i was talking about certain bodily fluids, rather than actual flesh. i'm not sure if being vegetarian would affect the way human flesh tastes, actually. i know that it's meant to affect the taste of a person's blood (i have some friends who think they're vampires *sigh*) because the reduced level of iron makes it taste less metallic.
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actually, that's another reason for being vegetarian: apparently, they taste nicer. :-\
true, so i've been told...
;)
Great; not only are you weaker because you've got less muscle mass, but you're also more appetising. If I ever go anywhere that's got man-eating animals or cannibals, I'm going on the Atkin's diet.
i was talking about certain bodily fluids, rather than actual flesh. i'm not sure if being vegetarian would affect the way human flesh tastes, actually. i know that it's meant to affect the taste of a person's blood (i have some friends who think they're vampires *sigh*) because the reduced level of iron makes it taste less metallic.
They go around drinking each other's blood? I hope they get themselves tested for nasty stuff before they try that.
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oh, they get up to far worse than that; trust me. ::) i think that what they might catch from drinking each other's blood is the least of their worries. :laugh:
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actually, that's another reason for being vegetarian: apparently, they taste nicer. :-\
true, so i've been told...
;)
Great; not only are you weaker because you've got less muscle mass, but you're also more appetising. If I ever go anywhere that's got man-eating animals or cannibals, I'm going on the Atkin's diet.Â
then i would eat queen omega and all the veggies first. if we were all stranded on a desert isle.
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actually, that's another reason for being vegetarian: apparently, they taste nicer. :-\
true, so i've been told...
;)
Great; not only are you weaker because you've got less muscle mass, but you're also more appetising. If I ever go anywhere that's got man-eating animals or cannibals, I'm going on the Atkin's diet.
then i would eat queen omega and all the veggies first. if we were all stranded on a desert isle.
And Fluorescent, since he only seems to eat meat once a week or less.
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yea but i got dibs on flo's meat.
i will use it as a weapon; hard blunt object it is.
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the only hard blunt thing about flo is his head, mcj. so not a huge amount of use (you'd have to be careful cos of the mad cow disease he obvious has, so you couldn't eat his brain cos of the risk of variant CJD).
the rest of him might make quite a nice meringue, though, from the colour of him. or possibly a marshmallow, given his texture.
(i can't bloody stand meringues, OR marshmallows. pure coincidence, or what? ;) )
actually, don't you lot* do bizarre things with marshmallows and biscuits and call them "smears" (as in cervical, i reckon), or something equally disgusting-sounding?
*americans.
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actually, don't you lot* do bizarre things with marshmallows and biscuits and call them "smears"
*americans.
You are probably thinking about S'mores. You take two graham crackers, a piece of chocolate bar and a jumbo marshmallow. You place the chocolate on top of one of the graham crackers, toast the marshmallow over a campfire, place that on top of the chocolate and cover it with the other graham cracker. It's something you make with kids on camp-outs and it's really good, in that context.
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that's the one. i'm assuming graham crackers equate with digestive biscuits, yes?
in which case, i was right - why perpetrate a horror such as marshmallow anywhere near a pefectly delicious combination of digestive biscuit and chocolate? "cervical smear" is about right.
oh, but hang on - is that "hershey's" abomination the sort of "chocolate" (shudder) you're on about? :'(
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestive_biscuit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_cracker
I looked up digestive biscuits on Wikipedia and I think digestive biscuits are similar to graham crackers, but graham crackers are rectangular. If you took two chocolate digestive biscuits and placed a melted marshmallow between them, I think it would be similar to a S'more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%27more
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/cries at the appalling brutality done to innocent ingredients. :'(
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s'mores are one of the greatest inventions ever. same with rocky road ice-cream.
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Rev Sylvester Graham was right in so many waysit to bad We truly don't learn enough to do it sometimes.
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S'mores are the only thing I like about camping.
I like Hershey's chocolate, though Lindt is much better.
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i enjot wild monkey sex in the woods.
thats a cool thing about camping.
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1. it's healthier - you are less likely to develop heart disease or even cancer, most food scares tend to be related to meat (rather than dairy or anything else) and you are less likely to get food-poisoning from badly prepared / out-of-date food.
Not true!!! Many vegitarians have protien deficiency problems. (males especially). The human animal was intended to be an omnivore (true of all the great apes actually). The added protien from a meat diet is what helped guide our evolution into having bigger brains.
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i've tried being a vegitarian and just couldnt do it. i want to so bad but its really hard to chang your mind about how you eat
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i've tried being a vegitarian and just couldnt do it. i want to so bad but its really hard to chang your mind about how you eat
ditto
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Listen to Dr. Watson. They key to breaking any bad habit is to replace it with something else, not just go use will power. I try and imagine my girlfriend pleasuring me. I get many sensations, like for one I feal like I just ate some junkfood. Its hard to concentrate at first because serotonin is low, which might have provoked the urge in the first place. This postive visualization exercise will boost serotonin and you should be able to concentrate on the image better. The image becomes richer and you become more relaxed. You do this everytime instead of the other thing and it will become easier. Its easier because you have devolped a sense of controll. Soon it will be just as easy doing the postive visualization exercise as it is to do the other thing.
I am reading about self hypnosis which envolves some of things I just mentioned. I just want help myself deal with truama issues in addition.
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Sorry, honestly I was spying on you. I blab about me too much, at times, and now its my turn to check on you. I guess considering what I go through its no surprise. FUCKN FUCK TOWN WESTERLY.
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I could live off of just plants, but I don't hate myself.
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is there actually any reason why some people still eat meat in this day and age? because i can't think of one.
the benefits of being vegetarian are obvious:
1. it's healthier - you are less likely to develop heart disease or even cancer, most food scares tend to be related to meat (rather than dairy or anything else) and you are less likely to get food-poisoning from badly prepared / out-of-date food.
2. it's kind to animals. 8)
3. it's more environmentally friendly (growing vegetables uses less resources than producing meat).
i'm just curious to know if there are any reasons why people eat meat, other than that they think it tastes nice.
Fuck you, you fucking bitch. I love eating animals. I love opening them up and eating their hearts while they're still beating. I love opening their stomachs and stealing whatever they just ate. I love opening their veins and sucking all the blood out. Most of all, I like their screams. There's nothing that brings joy to a child's face quite like the sound of a kitten facing imminent death. Try it sometime.
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is there actually any reason why some people still eat meat in this day and age? because i can't think of one.
the benefits of being vegetarian are obvious:
1. it's healthier - you are less likely to develop heart disease or even cancer, most food scares tend to be related to meat (rather than dairy or anything else) and you are less likely to get food-poisoning from badly prepared / out-of-date food.
2. it's kind to animals. 8)
3. it's more environmentally friendly (growing vegetables uses less resources than producing meat).
i'm just curious to know if there are any reasons why people eat meat, other than that they think it tastes nice.
Fuck you, you fucking bitch. I love eating animals. I love opening them up and eating their hearts while they're still beating. I love opening their stomachs and stealing whatever they just ate. I love opening their veins and sucking all the blood out. Most of all, I like their screams. There's nothing that brings joy to a child's face quite like the sound of a kitten facing imminent death. Try it sometime.
see how nice we are here.
that post would have never lasted at WP.
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Yep, here a post like that makes people laugh :laugh:
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Yep, here a post like that makes people laugh :laugh:
and laugh even harder. :LMAO:
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For sure. :evillaugh:
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The reason "Because people want to" trumps every good reason against it.
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Sorry, honestly I was spying on you. I blab about me too much, at times, and now its my turn to check on you. I guess considering what I go through its no surprise. FUCKN FUCK TOWN WESTERLY.
Sorry, that was directed at Carla.
/me does not advocate vegetarianism.
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/me advocates the killing and consuming of any kingdom of organisms people see fit.
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The reason "Because people want to" trumps every good reason against it.
Then why is "I'm a vegetarian because I want to be" usually met with such affront?
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Because people want to be assholes.
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The reason "Because people want to" trumps every good reason against it.
Then why is "I'm a vegetarian because I want to be" usually met with such affront?
I've honestly never seen anyone give that answer though, they usually have some explanation as to why its a more morally sound decision to make.
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Usually I never find out who the people who choose to be vegetarians because they wanna be are because they don't make a big deal about it. It is the people who are vegetarians because they wanna be and they wanna justify themselves to all the meat eating peoples out there and preach and shit that I dislike.
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Usually I never find out who the people who choose to be vegetarians because they wanna be are because they don't make a big deal about it. It is the people who are vegetarians because they wanna be and they wanna justify themselves to all the meat eating peoples out there and preach and shit that I dislike.
Exactly-which just gets people's backs up in the same way that any preaching does.
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...........I'm suddenly reminded of a quote I heard somewhere.
"If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat"
:laugh:
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...........I'm suddenly reminded of a quote I heard somewhere.
"If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat"
:laugh:
:LMAO:
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Here's a really good reason - my body burns through protein like its nothing. I could sit there and eat peanuts all day trying to supplement it but I don't think I'm that driven to give myself all kinds of kidney stones. My thought - this is just part of how things are, life feeds on life, if your not killing a cow, chicken or pig your killing an innocent plant - with a world riddled in war, genocide, starvation, terrorism, oppression of all kinds I'd call putting that up on a pedestal just a much of a blatant mispriortization as trying to completely ban smoking in major cities.
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It is not healthy to be vegan. We, as humans, NEED animal products. Let's start from the beginning:
National Geographic did a study on early humans. Ends up that about the same time we learned to control fire in the use of cooking and eating animal tissue (see: meat) we also developed modern sized/shaped brains. Coincidence? Let's look at this further. In India, vegans are RAMPANT! It's considered by many to be a sin to eat animal products... we also see in this region high levels of nervous system deterioration and anemia caused by vitamin B12 deficiencies. Why? The only form of B12 we can absorb comes from animal products; those B12 caplets? Yeah, extracted from animal lipids. This is the same vitamin that keeps our nervous systems (see: Brain!) healthy.
(Source: The Myths of Vegetarianism by Stephen Byrnes, ND, PhD, RNCP)
Now, just because you don't eat meat doesn't mean that you're subject to this... just take supplements, drink milk or eat eggs. All of them have plenty of B12. There's more reasons why veganism is bad for your health but that seemed the most critical in my own humble opinion.
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It is true that B12 is available only from animal products, but only a very small amount of animal products need to be consumed to satisfy the body's need. I believe it takes three months for the body's reserves of B12 to be depleted. Meat and animal products need be no more thn 2 - 5% of your diet (like the diet of natural primates) as long as the rest is healthy vegan food. Think of apes, the strongest primate in the world-- their diet is 98% vegan.
I would not trust a study of veganism in India where malnutrition is rampant and choices for food are limited due to poverty and prob also a lack of education about nutrition.
The Mayo clinic and a recent book called the China Study have found that the single greatest predictor of cancer development are the amount of animal products in a person's diet. The higher the amount of vegan food in the person's diet, the lower their chance of developing cancer. The correlation is stronger even than exposure to pesticides.
(And the only proven method to expand lifespan, btw, is a restricted calorie diet, more or less regardless of what you're eating.)
I have been 90-100% vegan on any given day since early 2004; I eat meat about 1-2x a month and small amounts of dairy about 2-3x a week. The rest is strictly vegan... the difference in my health between then and now is remarkable, I basically don't get sick anymore, even when there is a nasty flu bug or cold going through my family. I used to always be the sickest one in the family when we got sick.
However I think the nutritional needs of children are very different from adults, they should probably have a much higher intake of animal products (babies are designed to live only a dairy, mother's milk, for the first years of life, after all, which is how it was done until baby formula was developed). But as adults I believe those animal products are harmful in anything other than very small quantities and study after study proves the benefits of vegan foods.
I'm sorry if I sound like a foody or food snob but I discovered veganism when I was gravely ill for more than a year with a bacterial infection that was antibiotic resistant. I was desperate to get better and researched everything I could about nutrition. It was only when I went nearly completely vegan, taking in only small amounts of animal products, that I got better. I would love for other people to realize the health benefits of vegan foods and the damage of a high intake of meat and dairy products.
Also, for those who eat beef, there have been studies indicating that many cases of Alzheimers are actually misdiagnosed cases of mad cow-- the diagnosis cannot be definitive unless an autopsy is done on the brain. Many post-mortem examinations of "Alzheimer's" brains actually indicate mad cow.
Even if you can only get your diet to 80% vegan (80% strictly plant produce-- grains, legumes, nuts, vegetables, fruits, plant oils, etc) you would see a vast benefit to yourself.
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I guarantee I'd lose weight if I tried it anyway... the no fun diet. *waves goodbye to tasty animals*
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Just let 1 out of every 10 bites be an animal!
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Just let 1 out of every 10 bites be an animal!
Nah. I enjoy food - along with music and sex its one of the great pleasures in life. Cutting out all the cool stuff like pies, pizza, nachos, chicken in its many tasty forms, sausage and egg butties, chocolate, chicken naan kebabs, burgers, most curries and strawberry milkshakes, having to have fucking soya milk in my coffee..... For only ten percent of my intake to be meat eggs and dairy I'd have to knock most of that on the head. Hell, I like bread, pasta and rice, but its better with some form of animal product mixed with it. If I ate a 'healthier' diet I might or might not live longer... but it would definitely fucking feel like it. :puke:
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i just ate, but am suddenly hungry again!
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It is true that B12 is available only from animal products, but only a very small amount of animal products need to be consumed to satisfy the body's need. I believe it takes three months for the body's reserves of B12 to be depleted. Meat and animal products need be no more thn 2 - 5% of your diet (like the diet of natural primates) as long as the rest is healthy vegan food. Think of apes, the strongest primate in the world-- their diet is 98% vegan.
I would not trust a study of veganism in India where malnutrition is rampant and choices for food are limited due to poverty and prob also a lack of education about nutrition.
The Mayo clinic and a recent book called the China Study have found that the single greatest predictor of cancer development are the amount of animal products in a person's diet. The higher the amount of vegan food in the person's diet, the lower their chance of developing cancer. The correlation is stronger even than exposure to pesticides.
(And the only proven method to expand lifespan, btw, is a restricted calorie diet, more or less regardless of what you're eating.)
I have been 90-100% vegan on any given day since early 2004; I eat meat about 1-2x a month and small amounts of dairy about 2-3x a week. The rest is strictly vegan... the difference in my health between then and now is remarkable, I basically don't get sick anymore, even when there is a nasty flu bug or cold going through my family. I used to always be the sickest one in the family when we got sick.
However I think the nutritional needs of children are very different from adults, they should probably have a much higher intake of animal products (babies are designed to live only a dairy, mother's milk, for the first years of life, after all, which is how it was done until baby formula was developed). But as adults I believe those animal products are harmful in anything other than very small quantities and study after study proves the benefits of vegan foods.
I'm sorry if I sound like a foody or food snob but I discovered veganism when I was gravely ill for more than a year with a bacterial infection that was antibiotic resistant. I was desperate to get better and researched everything I could about nutrition. It was only when I went nearly completely vegan, taking in only small amounts of animal products, that I got better. I would love for other people to realize the health benefits of vegan foods and the damage of a high intake of meat and dairy products.
Also, for those who eat beef, there have been studies indicating that many cases of Alzheimers are actually misdiagnosed cases of mad cow-- the diagnosis cannot be definitive unless an autopsy is done on the brain. Many post-mortem examinations of "Alzheimer's" brains actually indicate mad cow.
Even if you can only get your diet to 80% vegan (80% strictly plant produce-- grains, legumes, nuts, vegetables, fruits, plant oils, etc) you would see a vast benefit to yourself.
There's no doubt that you don't need a lot to survive. Hell, I'm a weight lifter and even I only eat a small amount of lean meat once a day for the protein value. My only point was that it is, indeed, needed and a naturally occuring aspect of human nature. One thing that really gets me is the people that say, "People aren't meant to eat animals! It's not nature! It won't hurt you to be vegan!"... when in fact... it does hurt you to be 100% vegan. But yeah, too much animal consumption leads to increases in LDL cholesterol (which in turn raises blood pressure), increases fatty lipids (and, therefore, waiseline), increases odds of heart disease, etc.
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If people weren't meant to eat animals, why do we have carnivore teeth?
But most of our teeth are herbivorous.
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There's no doubt that you don't need a lot to survive. Hell, I'm a weight lifter and even I only eat a small amount of lean meat once a day for the protein value. My only point was that it is, indeed, needed and a naturally occuring aspect of human nature. One thing that really gets me is the people that say, "People aren't meant to eat animals! It's not nature! It won't hurt you to be vegan!"... when in fact... it does hurt you to be 100% vegan. But yeah, too much animal consumption leads to increases in LDL cholesterol (which in turn raises blood pressure), increases fatty lipids (and, therefore, waiseline), increases odds of heart disease, etc.
We're VERY different, I've wanted to work out but have had to stop anytime I stayed with it for more than a month do to feeling like I'd pass out the next day (I mean literally fainting spells), feeling like I was getting stabbed in the legs walking up stairs when I've only worked shoulders, and generally thinking it threw my thyroid way out of balance - people have made the 6 meals a day argument with me but I think I snack enough on MEAT to cover it and it still seems like I need Myoplex or something of the like.
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why is it ok for animals to eat other animals, but it's not ok for humans to eat animals?
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why is it ok for animals to eat other animals, but it's not ok for humans to eat animals?
Because humans are'nt animals. We're god's children. :LMAO:
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:LMAO:
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why is it ok for animals to eat other animals, but it's not ok for humans to eat animals?
Because humans are'nt animals. We're god's children. :LMAO:
Touche.
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Hey, I got a question: If humans were to eat humans would they necessarily get all the vitamins and minerals and crap they need?
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Hey, I got a question: If humans were to eat humans would they necessarily get all the vitamins and minerals and crap they need?
Wouldn't it depend on how well you chose your livestock?
:laugh:
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they probably would if they ate flo
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they probably would if they ate flo
:LMAO:
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I don't know if I could tolerate breeding flo's. And good god knows how they'd get along with each other.
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they probably would if they ate flo
Good one, QC!
I rarely laugh out loud, but I will return to this little quip with a devious chuckle under my breath for a long time.
Thank you.
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/me acts differently offline, and he is friendly and people generally like him, but when he was younger he was made fun of alot for not socializing.
I socialize more than anyone else here now, because I grew calmer.
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you don't socialize more than me.
though i cannot say that i am happy about it.
how is aspie trash?
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The only I would be a vegetarian, if I just ate raw vegetables and fruits.
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The only way i'd be vegetarian is if they stop making cows and chickens out of meat.
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Wanna make a bet? I am not an aspie so there is no way, no offense. Christ, I have a problems with my mind racing and going all fast, and I love it!
I will check my email again, tommorow, I have a problem to attend to.
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I cannot eat very many carbohydrates, so meat is a big staple to my diet. Anyone with any kind of carb issue has a very limited diet already.
I also think that anyone who tries to convince others to not eat meat because of their own personal beliefs should learn tolerance for diversity.
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I cannot eat very many carbohydrates, so meat is a big staple to my diet. Anyone with any kind of carb issue has a very limited diet already.
I also think that anyone who tries to convince others to not eat meat because of their own personal beliefs should learn tolerance for diversity.
Animals are very happy to eat other animals, so I find it hard to feel bad about eating them.
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I think this is all a very silly thread, actually. The person that started it wants everyone to not eat meat because SHE feels it is wrong to, and also compared eating meat to eating retarded children. Then she goes on to say that she eats dairy but feels bad about it and will stop if everyone else in the world does. That's pretty bad decision making
I think that people should eat what they want to, and that also means not telling others what to do.
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I think this is all a very silly thread, actually. The person that started it wants everyone to not eat meat because SHE feels it is wrong to, and also compared eating meat to eating retarded children. Then she goes on to say that she eats dairy but feels bad about it and will stop if everyone else in the world does. That's pretty bad decision making
I think that people should eat what they want to, and that also means not telling others what to do.
I hadn't read the start of the thread. I do notice that the OP has made 1211 posts, and has a karma of -190, so it's possible that they were a bit arse-ish.
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I hadn't read the start of the thread. I do notice that the OP has made 1211 posts, and has a karma of -190, so it's possible that they were a bit arse-ish.
Or a troll.
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I think Omega-Female ( Merry Widow ) was one of the founders of this place. And obliviously a huge tard.
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I think Omega-Female ( Merry Widow ) was one of the founders of this place. And obliviously a huge tard.
:lol:
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I think Omega-Female was one of the founders of this place. And obliviously a huge tard.
She was one of the founders, but not a huge tard.
I agree that her reasons for being vegetarian but not vegan sounded morally inconsistent, though.
I think that part of the reason for her low karma might be that she was feeding information from the admin forum to RobertN at a time when he was threatening to sue Dunc and PI and leave their kids homeless because someone posted a picture of him here. The strange thing is, the person who posted the picture took it down on their own initiative when they realized that it was bothering him, but that wasn't good enough for him.
Also, she was having a physical relationship with Ascan while she was stringing RobertN along. I think that she didn't want to hurt RobertN's feelings by telling him.
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I don't think that proves she is not a tard, but it is only my opinion that she is one. Ive read other threads of hers that also seem silly. What Callaway posted just makes me think of her as a liar as well as not too bright.
I think my issue is that she "cant see why anyone would want to" , as if what she thinks is right should be what everyone thingks. Seems lost on her that someone might feel different. It's ok to be a vegetarian and have your own reasons. It is even ok to be hypocritical and inconsistent in your practices of said beliefs.
But when you cannot see why anyone would think to disagree ? That's why I say tard.
And as for eating meat being compared to eating children - that is ridiculous.
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I eat meat because I want to be one of the few who cares about plant rights.
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I eat meat because I want to be one of the few who cares about plant rights.
Let the rabbits wear glasses.
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I eat meat because I want to be one of the few who cares about plant rights.
Let the rabbits wear glasses.
The Cries of the Carrots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUOx40xMErc#)
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Why is it that every time I see threads like this all I can think about is steak?
Steak
Chocolate
Wine
Sex
Fast Cars
Granted I might live longer giving up a few of those things, but I know I personally won't be having fun. :(
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Why is it that every time I see threads like this all I can think about is steak?
Steak
Chocolate
Wine
Sex
Fast Cars
Granted I might live longer giving up a few of those things, but I know I personally won't be having fun. :(
Actually , all of them except Fast Cars contribute to a longer life span (in balanced doses obviously) because of the serotonin they
release , but if fast cars make you happy , then that also contributes to a longer life span :toporl:
Providing you don't crash of course. :laugh:
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People aree always telling me I should be vegatarian but I have no self control
I fuckin love cheezburgers!
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People aree always telling me I should be vegatarian but I have no self control
I fuckin love cheezburgers!
I piss some meat-eaters off by being a vegetarian, and some vegetarians, because it is a matter of taste and structure for me, not principle.
How's that for unintended passive aggression? :hyke:
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some people are so NIMBY. I cannot imagine being upset with someone for what they EAT :zombiefuck:
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^ I get what you mean but if someone really loves animals and considers eating meat cruel I can see how someone'd get upset by it.
I mean ffs , I've had a go at a friend for killing a moth before ...yet I'm a meat eater , I'm a hypocrite. :laugh:
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some people are so NIMBY. I cannot imagine being upset with someone for what they EAT :zombiefuck:
Well, they should not try to eat me or my loved ones.....that would piss me off.
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some people are so NIMBY. I cannot imagine being upset with someone for what they EAT :zombiefuck:
Well, they should not try to eat me or my loved ones.....that would piss me off.
Being a cow and a squid respectively , I think we have a right to be annoyed with meat / fish eaters. :M
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some people are so NIMBY. I cannot imagine being upset with someone for what they EAT :zombiefuck:
Well, they should not try to eat me or my loved ones.....that would piss me off.
Being a cow and a squid respectively , I think we have a right to be annoyed with meat / fish eaters. :M
Mmmmm, I do like some fish, but, squid never was my thing.
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eh, I can understand having your own views but getting mad at someone for not believing in something you believe in , or feel differently about, I think is intrusive.
Except as hyke said, if someone wants to eat ME it is on !
I knew a boy who had a sister in PETA and she was a fucking nutjob. Went off on a group of us for eating honey, saying they need to squeeze the bee to get it out. Crazy. We laughed right at her.
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Meat=Yummy
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No surprises, I reckon, when I say I like to eat meat also.. but but, I can understand why someone chooses to be a vegetarian from a moral perception.
And yeah, concerning being carnivorous.. yet loving animals maybe even more so than human beings.. I am a hypocrite too. I love birds but I've eaten pheasant (game), for instance. Lambs are surely sweet 'bonifide' animals but..
Well, I love to cook and preparing a piece of good quality meat from my butcher's.. is great, in my opinion. From seasoning, put in room temperature before gently laying (:laugh:) it in the hot pan.. um, oil in the frying pan first, watching it brown, flipping it over, adding a little bit of real butter, onion, mushroom, tomato..
Well..
I'm almost obsessed with food/cooking/(meat) and to ex-out eating meat would make no logical sense at all.. and someone being vegan, to me.. what ever the height of the horse, doesn't really either. No eggs, milk or cheese? Um, IMO, shoes have to be made from..
(um, my stance there.. but suit self ofc.)
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how is a woman like a frying pan ? You got to heat it up before you put the meat in
*doesn't laugh*
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Well, that's not what I meant there.. at all..
*do not laugh also, Eris*
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some people are so NIMBY. I cannot imagine being upset with someone for what they EAT :zombiefuck:
Well, they should not try to eat me or my loved ones.....that would piss me off.
Being a cow and a squid respectively , I think we have a right to be annoyed with meat / fish eaters. :M
Mmmmm, I do like some fish, but, squid never was my thing.
It's ok once you get past the rubberiness. :P
eh, I can understand having your own views but getting mad at someone for not believing in something you believe in , or feel differently about, I think is intrusive.
Except as hyke said, if someone wants to eat ME it is on !
I knew a boy who had a sister in PETA and she was a fucking nutjob. Went off on a group of us for eating honey, saying they need to squeeze the bee to get it out. Crazy. We laughed right at her.
They squeeze bees to get the honey out?
Uhhh... she does realise it's collected from honeycomb surely? :zombiefuck:
how is a woman like a frying pan ? You got to heat it up before you put the meat in
*doesn't laugh*
Ok , that got a childish snigger I'll admit. :laugh:
IMO, shoes have to be made from..
There is a synthetic leather "Vegetarian Leather" which is used to make shoes.
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Well, that's not what I meant there.. at all..
*do not laugh also, Eris*
I didn't laugh because my joke wasn't funny
Uhhh... she does realise it's collected from honeycomb surely? :zombiefuck:
nope. She is dumb. That's why we laughed at her.
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Well, that's not what I meant there.. at all..
*do not laugh also, Eris*
I didn't laugh because my joke wasn't funny
Uhhh... she does realise it's collected from honeycomb surely? :zombiefuck:
nope. She is dumb. That's why we laughed at her.
:lol:
Poor girl , while I agree with some of PETA's goals (Animal testing etc) they take it too far.
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Mmmmm, I do like some fish, but, squid never was my thing.
It's ok once you get past the rubberiness. :P
I like the texture of squid and octopus. I had both when I was in Okinawa, but haven't found anywhere here that serves octopus.
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Mmmmm, I do like some fish, but, squid never was my thing.
It's ok once you get past the rubberiness. :P
I like the texture of squid and octopus. I had both when I was in Okinawa, but haven't found anywhere here that serves octopus.
I've only had squid rings , I haven't had it in a while though.
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he was threatening to sue Dunc and PI and leave their kids homeless
::) As if that could happen.
From what was written about Omega Female not understanding why other people would want to eat meat, well that I guess is theory of mind issues.
I have a friend that won't wear leather shoes.
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I'm hungry. :orly:
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Im not a vegetarian.
Been hiding from the vegan police for a while because I dont want to lose my superpowers(Scott Pilgrim reference, just in case anyone thinks Im serious)
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My son when has little and someone mentioned being a vegetarian sand he wanted to be a meatarian
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I'm a meatarian too.
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I tried to eat calamari once and couldnt do it. It looked just like an onion ring
I went to take a bite, and my instinct was to spiti it out, then I gagged for 10 minutes. I have no idea what it even tasted like,
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My son when has little and someone mentioned being a vegetarian sand he wanted to be a meatarian
:plus:
I'm a militant meatarian. :zoinks:
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And how can you resist bacon :drool:
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^I used to love bacon now I'm more like "meh".
I prefer poultry and fish / seafood personally , I find it has more flavour.
Pork tastes sickly as does Lamb and Beef has as much flavour as water does to me, but I had cravings for steak the other day. :orly: :orly:
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^I used to love bacon now I'm more like "meh".
I prefer poultry and fish / seafood personally , I find it has more flavour.
Pork tastes sickly as does Lamb and Beef has as much flavour as water does to me, but I had cravings for steak the other day. :orly: :orly:
If you had a craving for steak you may need iron. Usually when our bodies craves something it means there is some nutrient in it we need. I sometimes crave pumpkin seeds :D
and as for bacon ?
:thumbup:
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^I used to love bacon now I'm more like "meh".
I prefer poultry and fish / seafood personally , I find it has more flavour.
Pork tastes sickly as does Lamb and Beef has as much flavour as water does to me, but I had cravings for steak the other day. :orly: :orly:
If you had a craving for steak you may need iron. Usually when our bodies craves something it means there is some nutrient in it we need. I sometimes crave pumpkin seeds :D
and as for bacon ?
:thumbup:
I probably am craving steak , I don't eat red meat a lot and don't really eat other foods with iron.
Now my craving for steak has come back. :(
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Why is bacon the "king" of meats, when it is usually added to food (including other meats) in the same way salt is?
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Why is bacon the "king" of meats, when it is usually added to food (including other meats) in the same way salt is?
You hit the nail on the head.
Try eating without any salt for a week. And then you will appreciate how important salt is.
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^I used to love bacon now I'm more like "meh".
I prefer poultry and fish / seafood personally , I find it has more flavour.
Pork tastes sickly as does Lamb and Beef has as much flavour as water does to me, but I had cravings for steak the other day. :orly: :orly:
If you had a craving for steak you may need iron. Usually when our bodies craves something it means there is some nutrient in it we need. I sometimes crave pumpkin seeds :D
and as for bacon ?
:thumbup:
So your craving Halloween :zoinks:
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Saw a guest here.
Now bumping this, for Rage. :eyelash:
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I consume animal flesh on a daily basis. I also hunt down and kill them without mercy every respective hunting season.
Doves, deer, turkey, quail, etc. I am a predator.
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Why is bacon the "king" of meats, when it is usually added to food (including other meats) in the same way salt is?
You hit the nail on the head.
Try eating without any salt for a week. And then you will appreciate how important salt is.
It definitely is. When I was younger I used to get leg cramps in the middle of the night which used to wake me up suddenly. I asked the doctor about it and he said I should eat more salt.
Now I am taking lithium and again, a good amount of salt is needed in my diet, I am not to opt for the "low salt" version of foods.
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Why is bacon the "king" of meats, when it is usually added to food (including other meats) in the same way salt is?
You hit the nail on the head.
Try eating without any salt for a week. And then you will appreciate how important salt is.
It definitely is. When I was younger I used to get leg cramps in the middle of the night which used to wake me up suddenly. I asked the doctor about it and he said I should eat more salt.
Now I am taking lithium and again, a good amount of salt is needed in my diet, I am not to opt for the "low salt" version of foods.
Leg cramps suck.
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They do indeed. I used to get cramps often in my calves and found that pointing my toes upwards used to ease them.
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I've had reoccurring cramps in my foot lately.
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is there actually any reason why some people still eat meat in this day and age? because i can't think of one.
the benefits of being vegetarian are obvious:
1. it's healthier - you are less likely to develop heart disease or even cancer, most food scares tend to be related to meat (rather than dairy or anything else) and you are less likely to get food-poisoning from badly prepared / out-of-date food.
2. it's kind to animals. 8)
3. it's more environmentally friendly (growing vegetables uses less resources than producing meat).
i'm just curious to know if there are any reasons why people eat meat, other than that they think it tastes nice.
Just read this again.
it's healthier - you are less likely to develop heart disease or even cancer, most food scares tend to be related to meat (rather than dairy or anything else)
I fucking laughed. If you're still here, might you be willing to show me some evidence for your claim?
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I like meat. I have no issue with animals dying and ending up inside my stomach. If I had to join in that process further to accomplish that end I would have no issue.
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I only consume potato chips and soda. :zoinks:
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I fucking laughed. If you're still here, might you be willing to show me some evidence for your claim?
Omega Female aka Merry Widow hasn't been here for years and years. I think she left before Dunc did.
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I fucking laughed. If you're still here, might you be willing to show me some evidence for your claim?
Omega Female aka Merry Widow hasn't been here for years and years. I think she left before Dunc did.
She absolutely did
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
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I fucking laughed. If you're still here, might you be willing to show me some evidence for your claim?
Omega Female aka Merry Widow hasn't been here for years and years. I think she left before Dunc did.
Figured i'd give it a shot. :laugh:
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
We could start some AFF drama to entertain you. :zoinks:
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I fucking laughed. If you're still here, might you be willing to show me some evidence for your claim?
Omega Female aka Merry Widow hasn't been here for years and years. I think she left before Dunc did.
Figured i'd give it a shot. :laugh:
In a fighting mood, are you?
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
We could start some AFF drama to entertain you. :zoinks:
That would be quite a feat, considering that it's been a while since they closed it down.
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
Is that why we are elevating eight year old threads to the forefront?
I passed over this many years ago because of it being so lame.
Not only do I eat lots of meat, I (only recently have I become so hunterly, again, but) kill the things I eat.
I guess it IS quiet here.
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
We could start some AFF drama to entertain you. :zoinks:
That would be quite a feat, considering that it's been a while since they closed it down.
AFF was around for a long time, and a lot happened on it.
Perhaps I could threaten to reveal the many secrets of AFF, such as the Gareth/Amy/Bloke love triangle. :zoinks:
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
Is that why we are elevating eight year old threads to the forefront?
I passed over this many years ago because of it being so lame.
Not only do I eat lots of meat, I (only recently have I become so hunterly, again, but) kill the things I eat.
I guess it IS quiet here.
I get the feeling that people are lurking.
I know that I'm very busy, in real life, and so I don't have the time to post as much as I would like.
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
Is that why we are elevating eight year old threads to the forefront?
I passed over this many years ago because of it being so lame.
Not only do I eat lots of meat, I (only recently have I become so hunterly, again, but) kill the things I eat.
I guess it IS quiet here.
I get the feeling that people are lurking.
I know that I'm very busy, in real life, and so I don't have the time to post as much as I would like.
I am busy in my head, because of real life.
That makes me avoid threads I would like to delve in to. Don't even read them, because I don't have the time or energy to go for it.
Mèh.
I do still drop by, I do still post, because I know some socialising is good for me. And because I like I2.
But, yes, it is silent.
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This applies is two ways to the thread
1 It is indeed quiet here lately
2 I have been recently reintroduced to just how good fresh ducks and geese taste after getting them from my brother the great white hunter. I liked it so much I promised him I would take the coarse to get my hunting license and go with him in the fall when the season opens again, something he has been bugging me to do for years.
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(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3707791872/hD59CE187/)
This applies is two ways to the thread
1 It is indeed quiet here lately
2 I have been recently reintroduced to just how good fresh ducks and geese taste after getting them from my brother the great white hunter. I liked it so much I promised him I would take the coarse to get my hunting license and go with him in the fall when the season opens again, something he has been bugging me to do for years.
Since CBC is not online, and Semi is not here to channel her:
Parts, you could have made two posts out of this one.
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One of my neighbors was cooking something last night, smelled like a pork roast. :drool:
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
We could start some AFF drama to entertain you. :zoinks:
That would be quite a feat, considering that it's been a while since they closed it down.
AFF was around for a long time, and a lot happened on it.
Perhaps I could threaten to reveal the many secrets of AFF, such as the Gareth/Amy/Bloke love triangle. :zoinks:
This would interest me too :P
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OK, now I'm interested. Tell me more.
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
Is that why we are elevating eight year old threads to the forefront?
I passed over this many years ago because of it being so lame.
Not only do I eat lots of meat, I (only recently have I become so hunterly, again, but) kill the things I eat.
I guess it IS quiet here.
I get the feeling that people are lurking.
I know that I'm very busy, in real life, and so I don't have the time to post as much as I would like.
Me too. Way too busy.
I wish I had more time. I have so much to share.
That pic looks like a small boy killing a Canadian goose. I am sure I am wrong. I have (wished I had, but never had the guts to have) broken the law a few times and taken Canadian geese. They are delicious (as I have been told) and NOT endangered as some profess them to be. There are literally hundreds of thousands in our area. It is no different from taking a tame chicken for the frying pan.
You just walk up with a cracker in one hand to entice and a knife in the other. Toss the head out for the fish which you want to keep close to the shore for the spring when fishing is better. I eat meat. All kinds.
EDITED to preserve legal deniability.
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This applies is two ways to the thread
1 It is indeed quiet here lately
2 I have been recently reintroduced to just how good fresh ducks and geese taste after getting them from my brother the great white hunter. I liked it so much I promised him I would take the coarse to get my hunting license and go with him in the fall when the season opens again, something he has been bugging me to do for years.
Since CBC is not online, and Semi is not here to channel her:
Parts, you could have made two posts out of this one.
Two posts? He could have posted the picture and each point separately! :hamsterwheel: He could even describe the guns for PPK. :cbc:
I will pray for his soul. :M
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
Is that why we are elevating eight year old threads to the forefront?
I passed over this many years ago because of it being so lame.
Not only do I eat lots of meat, I (only recently have I become so hunterly, again, but) kill the things I eat.
I guess it IS quiet here.
I get the feeling that people are lurking.
I know that I'm very busy, in real life, and so I don't have the time to post as much as I would like.
I haven't seen many occasional regulars stop by, with the recent exception of Eclair. I have seen lurkers. :ninja:
I suspect that some of the traffic is going to ASDC and AFN. :GA:
It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
We could start some AFF drama to entertain you. :zoinks:
That would be quite a feat, considering that it's been a while since they closed it down.
AFF was around for a long time, and a lot happened on it.
Perhaps I could threaten to reveal the many secrets of AFF, such as the Gareth/Amy/Bloke love triangle. :zoinks:
This would interest me too :P
It interests all of us. Perhaps that's the secret of the Aspie Overlord, and the source of all AFF drama. :tinfoil:
OK, now I'm interested. Tell me more.
If you want the juicy details, you should ask Sir Les. :P
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I've had the opportunity to try both goose and duck. Didn't like either of them. They both have a similar gaminess. Real heavy livery taste to em.
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It's been pretty quiet here, lately. :-\
Is that why we are elevating eight year old threads to the forefront?
I passed over this many years ago because of it being so lame.
Not only do I eat lots of meat, I (only recently have I become so hunterly, again, but) kill the things I eat.
I guess it IS quiet here.
I get the feeling that people are lurking.
I know that I'm very busy, in real life, and so I don't have the time to post as much as I would like.
Me too. Way too busy.
I wish I had more time. I have so much to share.
That pic looks like a small boy killing a Canadian goose. I am sure I am wrong. I have (wished I had, but never had the guts to have) broken the law a few times and taken Canadian geese. They are delicious (as I have been told) and NOT endangered as some profess them to be. There are literally hundreds of thousands in our area. It is no different from taking a tame chicken for the frying pan.
You just walk up with a cracker in one hand to entice and a knife in the other. Toss the head out for the fish which you want to keep close to the shore for the spring when fishing is better. I eat meat. All kinds.
EDITED to preserve legal deniability.
My ornithology professor in college use to joke about harvesting Canada geese with a loaf of bread in one hand and a sickle in the other :2thumbsup: The only bird he hated more was mute swans which in North America are an introduced species and aggressively push out native ones. The breast meat from a Canada goose is dark meat that has the texture and taste of London broil :drool: I have one in my freezer now
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In my opinion, whatever helps you escape the throttle and control of the destructive "system" is a wise choice.
For some people eating meat is best (esp if they live up in the arctic or poor soil areas where growing vegetables is extremely difficult or impossible). There are hunting techniques which actually improve the habitat --- "predator hunting" is NOT one of them btw. The techniques I speak of are watching a herd and hunting the slowest or most vulnerable one. This helps the herd stay strong and is the way wolves, lions, and other predators hunt. Humans learn to hunt from predators, and by imitating their strategies we do not harm the balance of life. In the past when we have over-hunted animals it was generally due to a change in climate and thus change in habitat altogether, or a change in technology which we "over-did"...
For some people growing veggies is more helpful, especially when coupled with habitat restoration or forestation, such as the planting techniques in the amazon and other forest communities. Reforestation can also be achieved with good ranching/herding technique, esp in places like Africa and middle east where over grazing is a common side effect of forcefully settling normally nomadic herders.
Again, when we domesticated herds of animals, we watched how they would graze and imitated it albeit with a bit of breeding and taming. By imitating natural grazing patterns we did not change the landscape in terribly dramatic or harmful ways. Nowadays keeping large herds in limited spaces and allowing the animals to over-graze the area we do manage to change the landscape in harmful ways.
Now throughout history, there have been people who prefer not to eat meat for various reasons...a common reason is that they do not prefer to kill animals. I don't think this type of compassion is abnormal... but there are people who also compassionately eat animals....seems like an oxymoron, but it isn't when you consider the picture it paints in terms of nature and balance of life.
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I eat meat because I simply couldn't exist on a vegetarian diet. I can't tolerate vegetable foods for sensory reasons partly, and partly because everything else about them just makes me retch.
I remember being forced in my lfa school to eat some of that vegetable-based crap, and immediately rushing to the shitter to throw up. It was quite literally less traumatic coming back up than going down. Even the thought makes me shudder and my stomach do backflips.
If my folks are cooking veg, especially brassicas, then I can't stay in the kitchen while its cooking, the stench is hideous.
Fruit is fine, except for pitahaya, horned melon (tastes EXACTLY like tomatoes) and dragon fruit. Not too fond of sharon fruit either, although I can eat them if hungry and its what is there in front of me, but I wouldn't buy any for myself.
But I'll eat bananas, passion fruit, and especially their larger relative, the grenadilla like no tomorrow. And fresh oranges. My old man just brought back a big bag of oranges from his shopping. Took me probably less than 5 minutes to scoff the entire lot. And lemons/limes, I'll eat those fresh too just like an orange, I like citrus in general. I have a pretty voracious appetite when it comes to fruit in general. But I do love a nice big fat juicy slab of fried dead cow, saturated in soy sauce, tabasco, brown sauce and liberally covered in a mixture of black pepper, peppery boletus (A poroid mushroom that grows in association with silver birch trees, and has a quite potent degree of fiery heat, thats unique and quite different to chilli peppers or black pepper, unfortunately not at all a commercially sold species, although quite common here in the UK; so if people want any they must harvest their own. And powdered fly agaric mushroom. An essential in chilli (having that tonight) and on steaks for my taste.
Or best of all, a fiery spice-saturated gravy made with morels. Very, very expensive to buy and not easy to find either. But they get my vote, dried or fresh as one of the very best of the best of all edible fungi, at least all that I've tried, which is saying something considering how many weird, and occasionally wonderful oddball mushrooms I've tried munching on.
Whilst I care very little for store-standard bland Agaricus spp. I'll eat them, but I have an absolutely huge appetite for wild mushrooms, my favourites being morels, parasol mushrooms, giant puffball, some other puffballs, esp. the genus Calvatia and some of the larger Bovista spp., sulfur polypore, Edible boletes, waxcaps....there is a very long list of other, less impressive but still very tasty stuff out there waiting to be picked and munched on. Not to mention though a few truly disgusting ones. I won't forget the time I tried stinkhorn eggs. I was up all night, sick as a dog, throwing up repeatedly. Never, ever again. Those are edible IMO, only on the technical fine distinction between actually containing poisons, and merely awful beyond belief and horrendous on the insides.
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I like a good steak. If people want to limit themselves to vegetables, fine, as long as they leave me in peace.
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The more veggies there are, the better (as long as they don't start going out and discovering my favourite mushroom harvesting spots that is....keep away from my parasol and chanterelle patches yeh bunch of anaemic, broccoli-munching gits!!! If I catch some 7-stone vegan organic fairtrade fruitcake making off with my puffballs there will be murder afoot and my next (saprobic) mushroom grow efforts will be using some suspiciously high-protein substrate additives...............)
That just means all the more steaks for me :)
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The more veggies there are, the better (as long as they don't start going out and discovering my favourite mushroom harvesting spots that is....keep away from my parasol and chanterelle patches yeh bunch of anaemic, broccoli-munching gits!!! If I catch some 7-stone vegan organic fairtrade fruitcake making off with my puffballs there will be murder afoot and my next (saprobic) mushroom grow efforts will be using some suspiciously high-protein substrate additives...............)
That just means all the more steaks for me :)
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Hi EBM, did you only fly by for this one post, or will you be around a bit more?
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He should come back. I like his posts.
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He should come back. I like his posts.
Indeed.
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Hi EBM, did you only fly by for this one post, or will you be around a bit more?
He is here. Apparently, it's just this thread. :P
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EBM, be BRAVE and post again! :arrr:
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I am a predator.
You're an ITG wanking on front of a computer. :hahaha:
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Dennis Leary said it best: "Eggplant tastes like eggplant. But meat tastes like murder, and murder tastes pretty goddamn good."
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Dennis Leary said it best: "Eggplant tastes like eggplant. But meat tastes like murder, and murder tastes pretty goddamn good."
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I love this comment.