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Start here => Free For ALL => Topic started by: Gluey on January 25, 2008, 01:09:11 AM
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We all hate him But tell me very simply the reasons why you hate him.
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I don't hate him. I think it's stupid to hate a person because you don't like the way he runs his website.
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He discriminated me.
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he's a lying cunt who uses dead people as tools for self-promotion, manipulates, undermines and fucks over almost anyone who tries to help him, and has an ego the size of a monster truck.
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He deleted some of my posts and they were not even about him.
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He lied to my face too. Told me I had been warned before no questions asked. Just when did he send me a warning.
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I don't hate him.
But, he is a lying piece of shit.
Nonetheless, I was perfectly
willing to put up with that, so
long as WP was run in a manner
which pleased me.
He has directly lied to me,
AND pissed me off by comments
he made about Starb, whom I
care for deeply, after her rape.
Let's put it this way, I'd have no
qualms about gutting the fuck.
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i hate him becuase of what he said/died about starbuline.
i won't go into it again as i have already done that about a million times and will just annoy everyone again lol
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I don't hate anyone, but I think he's a complete asshole for the way he treated Soph when Starbuline died.
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"i have lost a friend"
fucking liar
what kind of sick pervert thinks "friends" are people you never bother talking to anymore and make revolting comments about after they get raped?
now i'm a bit thick, but even I can work out that's not a "friend"
he has no idea what it's like to lose a friend, he doesn't even know what a friend is
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Oh, but he thinks he does. There are so many people like him in the world - it's depressing. :-\
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there's one been screwing around on zomg lately, incase you've noticed :P
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Flake thinks he has friends? :zoinks:
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Flake thinks he has friends? :zoinks:
oh yeah, you're right, internet people are not friends :scratchhead:
i got a nasty email from him a few weeks ago though, about how he'd been "nothing but nice to me" and now i've banned him lol
so i guess he's deluded enough into thinking he was nice to me, which is a bit similar
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He probably figures you LIKE spam.
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i like nice spam. not 150,000-emails-all-at-once-in-one-inbox spam :P
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Well, he couldn't see the difference.
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I don't hate him, but I don't approve of his ways.
I may be an asshole and a hypocrite at times, but I don't use people like he does.
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I think this thread would be useful for some of the long term members to fill us in on what WP has done wrong. I had left WP for personal reasons when I joined this site so I never knew what he has done to drive everybody away. I think some of the long time members would do well to realise that not every body here was a member of WP during these mysterious controversies and so we don't know what happened even though we are constantly reminded how much we are supposed to hate WP and Plank.
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I don't hate him. He did do right by me several years ago on wp. But, everything over the years that I have heard and seen bothers me enough to not trust him or deal with him anymore. People change over time and it doesn't look like he's changed for the better or matured well. I just want nothing to do with him or wp.
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I don't care for him and I don't go out of my way to let him bother me. I mostly don't post at WP anymore because most of the people there act too young for me.
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I don't spend enough time at wp to hate anyone there.
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I don't hate him, but I don't like the way he handles his members, banning everyone who dares to differ with him, but at the same time refusing to delete the banned accounts.
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Deleting accounts means their posts gets removed too and it fuck up the threads and make it real confusing.
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he's a lying cunt who uses dead people as tools for self-promotion, manipulates, undermines and fucks over almost anyone who tries to help him, and has an ego the size of a monster truck.
Well said. :plus:
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Deleting accounts means their posts gets removed too and it fuck up the threads and make it real confusing.
Er, not necessarily. If we delete an account here, the posts remain.
But who cares? The posts are not his. According to applicable copyright law, I own my posts and have the right to do with them as I please. This is what the plank ignores; unfortunately it's too expensive to sue the little fuck and force him to remove my posts.
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He lied to my face too. Told me I had been warned before no questions asked. Just when did he send me a warning.
He's lied to me many times. I can't stand liars. Also, one time in the chatroom, he and I got into an argument...he then logged in with two other names, and pretended they weren't him. Then he used them to back up his "arguments" (He basically used them to be assholes to me and for a reason to ban me). :laugh:
I wouldn't say I hate him (anymore), but in the past many of his actions pissed me off.
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Simple fact that is all boils down to, he has issues, we all do. I am not supporting him in anyway, and I have not really had much of a run in with him. I kind of take the fact that someone has issues before I take any actions.
He lied to my face too. Told me I had been warned before no questions asked. Just when did he send me a warning.
He's lied to me many times. I can't stand liars. Also, one time in the chatroom, he and I got into an argument...he then logged in with two other names, and pretended they weren't him. Then he used them to back up his "arguments" (He basically used them to be assholes to me and for a reason to ban me). :laugh:
I wouldn't say I hate him (anymore), but in the past many of his actions pissed me off.
Yeah I am sure he would like that, piss you off. :laugh: Sorta sounds like you want him to do that, I mean if you hated him that much, it would have made you more careful of your words. :laugh: I am just teasing, no need to get your stupid boring pep squad after me. Its funny to watch them try.
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People change over time and it doesn't look like he's changed for the better or matured well.
I had really hoped that he HAD changed.
Then, that at least his VIEWS did.
Turns out, his views change all the time,
as influenced by whatever person has the
strongest voice.
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Deleting accounts means their posts gets removed too and it fuck up the threads and make it real confusing.
No it doesn't. Honestly though,
I don't understand the POINT of
deleting accounts.
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But who cares? The posts are not his. According to applicable copyright law, I own my posts and have the right to do with them as I please. This is what the plank ignores; unfortunately it's too expensive to sue the little fuck and force him to remove my posts.
I suspect you'd lose. The idea being that it's
TOO difficult to remove. Just as if you put
some writing in a newspaper, it can't be
erased, so too here.
One of those utility before principle type
of things. :laugh:
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Deleting accounts means their posts gets removed too and it fuck up the threads and make it real confusing.
Er, not necessarily. If we delete an account here, the posts remain.
But who cares? The posts are not his. According to applicable copyright law, I own my posts and have the right to do with them as I please. This is what the plank ignores; unfortunately it's too expensive to sue the little fuck and force him to remove my posts.
im guess it would be the same on wp as on zomg
both php
when i delete accounts on zomg, their posts stay there, with the name of the person who posted it and "guest" underneath. you just can't click onto it to get to a profile or anything. same or similar to how it works on here i think
although on a site as big as wp, it wouldn't make mch difference even if they WERE deleted
i have nearly 14,000 posts there in 3 months, but after a couple months of me being banned, most of the threads i'd posted in had disappeared under a load of new ones anyway. no one would notice after a while
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But who cares? The posts are not his. According to applicable copyright law, I own my posts and have the right to do with them as I please. This is what the plank ignores; unfortunately it's too expensive to sue the little fuck and force him to remove my posts.
I suspect you'd lose. The idea being that it's
TOO difficult to remove. Just as if you put
some writing in a newspaper, it can't be
erased, so too here.
One of those utility before principle type
of things. :laugh:
Actually it would be *very* easy to remove posts, and easy enough to show how, even for a clueless jury.
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i have nearly 14,000 posts there in 3 months, but after a couple months of me being banned, most of the threads i'd posted in had disappeared under a load of new ones anyway. no one would notice after a while
Rub it in. :laugh:
At least some of my threads WERE sticky still,
last time I checked. Wonder if my sig's still up. :zoinks:
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Actually it would be *very* easy to remove posts, and easy enough to show, even for a clueless jury.
I know that. It's got little to do with that.
I am pretty damned sure that given the expectations
of all other media, and the fact that NOT deleting posts
is the norm, there's no chance of a court setting such
a precedent. At least in the US.
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We'll have to disagree on that one.
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About me being sure? :laugh:
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That, too, if you want. :P
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Deleting accounts means their posts gets removed too and it fuck up the threads and make it real confusing.
No it doesn't. Honestly though,
I don't understand the POINT of
deleting accounts.
Because some of them are troll accounts, spam bots, etc.
I guess Alex lied again when he said it fuck up the threads. I assume he told the other mods that because that was what they told me on there.
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Things are not allways what they appeared to be.
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Deleting accounts means their posts gets removed too and it fuck up the threads and make it real confusing.
No it doesn't. Honestly though,
I don't understand the POINT of
deleting accounts.
Because some of them are troll accounts, spam bots, etc.
I guess Alex lied again when he said it fuck up the threads. I assume he told the other mods that because that was what they told me on there.
It's not the first time he lies, nor will it be the last.
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Deleting accounts means their posts gets removed too and it fuck up the threads and make it real confusing.
No it doesn't. Honestly though,
I don't understand the POINT of
deleting accounts.
Because some of them are troll accounts, spam bots, etc.
I guess Alex lied again when he said it fuck up the threads. I assume he told the other mods that because that was what they told me on there.
Nah. I think I SAID that, in fact.
Because, what people wanted was
their posts deleted - not just the account
killed.
Had no idea how PhBB handled things, at that point.
Don't see what killing a spam bot or troll account
does which mere banning doesn't, tbh. All that changes
is removing the name. The big problem is that PhBB
doesn't allow people to delete their own posts (though
there may be mods which do) AND it doesn't allow editing
them, after some period.
Hell, I'd say there'd be no issue at all, if it allowed either.
No reason it should be EASY to remove all trace of yourself.
But, you should be able to retract what you've said - if you
wish.
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I was supposed to send him nude pics :laugh:
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I was supposed to send him nude pics :laugh:
Alex? I think he'd like it,
if you flooded WP with them.
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I was supposed to send him nude pics :laugh:
Alex? I think he'd like it,
if you flooded WP with them.
Not mine, Carla's nude pics :laugh:
See if I don't get a spanken for that :laugh:
I am not giving two shits right now who gives it to me. Whoever gives me attention.
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Why doesn't spokane girl transfer her pics to wrong planet :laugh:
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word up on the indy music odeon. hope you get the last crusade stuff tonight.
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It's a good one, too. I wish there was a more complete version available, though. :)
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i dont hate him but i do hate ticker :zoinks:
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I have never had any personal dealings with him.
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Deleting accounts means their posts gets removed too and it fuck up the threads and make it real confusing.
Er, not necessarily. If we delete an account here, the posts remain.
But who cares? The posts are not his. According to applicable copyright law, I own my posts and have the right to do with them as I please. This is what the plank ignores; unfortunately it's too expensive to sue the little fuck and force him to remove my posts.
im guess it would be the same on wp as on zomg
both php
when i delete accounts on zomg, their posts stay there, with the name of the person who posted it and "guest" underneath. you just can't click onto it to get to a profile or anything. same or similar to how it works on here i think
although on a site as big as wp, it wouldn't make mch difference even if they WERE deleted
i have nearly 14,000 posts there in 3 months, but after a couple months of me being banned, most of the threads i'd posted in had disappeared under a load of new ones anyway. no one would notice after a while
The picture you have in your avatar isn't the Kremlin. It's St. Basil's Cathedral.
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My fault.
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Deleting accounts means their posts gets removed too and it fuck up the threads and make it real confusing.
Er, not necessarily. If we delete an account here, the posts remain.
But who cares? The posts are not his. According to applicable copyright law, I own my posts and have the right to do with them as I please. This is what the plank ignores; unfortunately it's too expensive to sue the little fuck and force him to remove my posts.
im guess it would be the same on wp as on zomg
both php
when i delete accounts on zomg, their posts stay there, with the name of the person who posted it and "guest" underneath. you just can't click onto it to get to a profile or anything. same or similar to how it works on here i think
although on a site as big as wp, it wouldn't make mch difference even if they WERE deleted
i have nearly 14,000 posts there in 3 months, but after a couple months of me being banned, most of the threads i'd posted in had disappeared under a load of new ones anyway. no one would notice after a while
The picture you have in your avatar isn't the Kremlin. It's St. Basil's Cathedral.
I didn't do it
Never checked the picture properly really, I just saw the title when I go on
I'll change it later
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Fixed.
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:branna:
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We all hate him But tell me very simply the reasons why you hate him.
He's a liar.
He is nasty about people behind their backs. I mean, we all can be, but we don't all run support sites.
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I'm usually nastier to people
in person, than otherwise. :laugh:
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I'm usually nastier to people
in person, than otherwise. :laugh:
Me too, actually. :-\
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At least being a cock in person means your upfront about it.
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Doesn't make many friends
though.
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Hate's such a strong word, especially for Alex. I simply don't give a fuck about him.
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Hate's such a strong word, especially for Alex. I simply don't give a fuck about him.
How do you know Alex, Lee?
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He's a liar.
He is nasty about people behind their backs. I mean, we all can be, but we don't all run support sites.
are you serious? tell of times when he was nasty behind someones back. ive always thought he appeared to be too nice, but is really evil :laugh:
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He psoted nasty things about Sophie in the mod forum after she got raped, and AFAIK, she never saw them
He talked to other people about CockneyRebel and SG wearing diapers and said she was "disgusting" to other people on MSN
And he complained about Jason larsen being annoying and how he wanted to ban him for that
Probably lots of others I don't know about as well
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is this the same sophie that is now passed on? if so thats fucked up. why would you joke about her being raped? thats terrible. im shure cockney wears diapers for bladder problems and not for personal choice, it was discusting at first when i found out sg wore them i admit but now its like who cares? i kindof had a feeling he didnt like jason, but i dont think jason is being annoying on purpose he just asks alot of questions
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is this the same sophie that is now passed on? if so thats fucked up. why would you joke about her being raped? thats terrible. im shure cockney wears diapers for bladder problems and not for personal choice, it was discusting at first when i found out sg wore them i admit but now its like who cares? i kindof had a feeling he didnt like jason, but i dont think jason is being annoying on purpose he just asks alot of questions
Yeah Sophie as in Starbuline
The made a sticky in General Autism Discussion after she died, to broadcast it to everyone that he had lost a friend. So he's a bullshitting liar.
Cockney wears them for bladder reasons afaik yeah
And I don't like diapers either but I don't think he should bitch about people being disgusting behind their backs when he's supposedly running a support site.
Jason is just being himself I think
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And I don't like diapers either but I don't think he should bitch about people being disgusting behind their backs when he's supposedly running a support site.
yeah that would seem a little contradictory
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i don't like him cuz he was mean to Soph and Starbuline.
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He psoted nasty things about Sophie in the mod forum after she got raped, and AFAIK, she never saw them
He talked to other people about CockneyRebel and SG wearing diapers and said she was "disgusting" to other people on MSN
And he complained about Jason larsen being annoying and how he wanted to ban him for that
Probably lots of others I don't know about as well
To be fair though,
he told SG she was
disgusting directly, as well.
Thing is, in his position, he CAN'T just say what
he means. Not with the way he bans people.
But, one does want to talk about other people,
I guess.
Hell, I complained about members on WP before.
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is this the same sophie that is now passed on? if so thats fucked up. why would you joke about her being raped? thats terrible
It was before she died.
But, uncalled for. It was simply a nasty
comment, nothing else. There was no
joke to it. I think if he had said it in person,
there would have been a good chance that
I would have just hurt him. As it was, I rebuked
him heavily.
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I've complained about loads of poeple on WP before as well
But I don't run a support site and then bitch about everyone on there all the time
I didn't know he said it to SG, she seemed to not know about it when she found out
Those aren't the reasons I hate him anyway, those were just reasons I thought he was a cunt
I hate him because of the stuff he did about Sophie and the shit he posted about me after she died
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is this the same sophie that is now passed on? if so thats fucked up. why would you joke about her being raped? thats terrible
It was before she died.
But, uncalled for. It was simply a nasty
comment, nothing else. There was no
joke to it. I think if he had said it in person,
there would have been a good chance that
I would have just hurt him. As it was, I rebuked
him heavily.
I'd kick him really hard if he ever said something like that about her to her face
That she was still alive then doesn't change it - she was only 15 at the time
Then to claim she was his friend after he'd done that? Fucking disgusting twat
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Id I'd known what he said in the mod forum, before she died, I would have spammed that place to shit
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He said it ONCE. Yes, it was a nasty thing
to say, but not worth going this far about.
I'd actually put it down to jealousy.
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I don't see how the amount of times he said it makes any difference. If he'd said it 10 times it would still be the same
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After the fucking shit I've had from people just for telling the TRUTH then a cunt like him deserves everything he gets for saying something like that about a 15 year old who's been raped
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He's a greedy fucker that takes advantage of people's charity.
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It's HCTR from wrongplanet. And I don't give a fuck about Alex because if I did, that would mean he mattered in my life. He doesn't and he doesn't deserve to matter in my life.
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I'd actually put it down to jealousy.
I think that was his whole problem with Sophie.
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Wht was he jealous of her for? Except that everyone liked her and no one with a brain liked him
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Wht was he jealous of her for? Except that everyone liked her and no one with a brain liked him
Besides that! :laugh: Do you ever think he had a crush on her? I wasn't close to either of them, but just from the way you guys say he talked about her, sounds like he was interested in her himself.
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Sounds like he needs the attention and hates it when others get more than him.
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I think he wanted to be Sophie's hero, the one who'd straighten out all her problems if she'd just follow all his advice and look up to him. She saw through all that egomania, of course, and it made him feel stupid so he started blaming Soph as a bad influence. He just probably couldn't face the idea that he might not have been as wonderful an influence on her as he thought.
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She didn't even like him. I find it pathetic that so many mindless idiots on that site actually believe what he'd written. Even when I showed them evidence that he was lying, I still got "no, alex is a good guy, you don't know what you're talking about" and all that crap.
wtf
I don't know what I'm talking about? I know what I'm talking about in regards to Starbuline more than every single one of the people on WP put together. He didn't help her at all. He wasn't there when she got raped. He wasn't there when she was cutting herself. He wasn't there when she ended up getting taken to the psych ward. He wasn't there when Michael died. What the fuck did he ever do for her? I was there for all of those things, and she knew that, so how can he sit tehre and say he helped her and I'm the one to blame for it? I fucking helped her, not him. >:(
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I want that Alex Plank Sympathy Thread gone
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Wht was he jealous of her for? Except that everyone liked her and no one with a brain liked him
Besides that! :laugh: Do you ever think he had a crush on her? I wasn't close to either of them, but just from the way you guys say he talked about her, sounds like he was interested in her himself.
Listen to the way he giggles about her,
on his video. Yeah he did. Can't blame him
though. :laugh:
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I think he wanted to be Sophie's hero, the one who'd straighten out all her problems if she'd just follow all his advice and look up to him. She saw through all that egomania, of course, and it made him feel stupid so he started blaming Soph as a bad influence. He just probably couldn't face the idea that he might not have been as wonderful an influence on her as he thought.
Sort of like the way he sees himself as the Aspie "Moses". At least thats the way I'm seeing this. But, then again there's several others out there that envision themselves as "Aspie Moses" trying to lead us to the promised land. ::) Ego, pure unalduterated delusional ego. :wanker:
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He wants everyone to look at him and think how great he is for helping poor suicidal teenagers and being such a great role model
Look at the shit replies that were in that "tribute" thread:
"Wow, I'm so sorry, Alex. You have all my sympathy, and I'll be sending good thoughts your way. I hope that you have good friends and family who can help you through this difficult time."
"Alex, I am sorry your friend is gone."
"Does anyone know the cause of her death?"
"How did she take her own life?"
"Bloody hell, her boyfriend also did the same?"
"Where were the warning signs that indicated this might happen?"
"I just had a look at her blog, and this clearly indicated that there was a problem."
"Could it possibly be that someone from her family hijacked her accounts, changed her passwords, and told some people on that pisshole that she was dead?"
"I'd like to know more about Starbuline. Moreover, what caused her demise?"
"Then WHAT IS the thread to discuss what happened to her??"
"Her last weeks of life were spent having a distorted perception of WP, and the people on it that she had friendships with."
"I wonder why her bf committed suicde though......"
"I'm so sorry Alex, you've worked very hard to make this website a lifeline to many people all over the world, and it is. But you did not fail Sophie, and I worry you may feel that way."
How is that a tribute thread?
He's allowing people to post bullshit about her, ask questions they have no right to know the answers to (which he answered) and post a load of sickening bullshit sympathy to him for "losing a friend" when that's a load of crap anyway
He said he wanted it to just be for posting good thigns about Sophie. That's not what it was. He should have deleted all that crap, including the comment about her being "mean"
But he didn;t
Yet if anyone even remotely criticises him at all (even when it's proven fact), it gets deleted within 5 minutes
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Like you said, it's shit :poop: :fos: and he is. But, in all honesty and to be blunt, there's not much you can do about what he says. The people who think he's a "hero" wil not stop thinking that and the people who think he's an ass, (like me) also will not stop thinking that. Your preaching to the choir, as they say. At some point I hope you can put his bs in perspective and walk away from it. Your just driving yourself crazy letting his bs get you upset. Sooner or later, he will get caught up in his own created "persona" and fall flat on his face/ass.
The internet is full of "poseurs" and people who have invested so much time and effort into the image they project. That it's become a life and death struggle for them to maintain it. And I must admit, he has quite an impressive "facade".
I hope that makes sense. I'm pulling for ya! :thumbup: :plus:
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I got better recently and stopped posting about him for quite a while, but then I got worse the last 2 weeks for some reason
I'll try and stop again though :laugh:
It just fucks me off really badly, then I get angry lol
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I got better recently and stopped posting about him for quite a while, but then I got worse the last 2 weeks for some reason
I'll try and stop again though :laugh:
It just fucks me off really badly, then I get angry lol
Easy to understand, when the "button" gets pushed, :headexplode: and Starbuline is your "button". ATM
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Yeah I've made it too obvious as well - everyone knows what to say now >:(
Oh well, fuck them :zoinks:
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Yeah I've made it too obvious as well - everyone knows what to say now >:(
Oh well, fuck them :zoinks:
Exactly, Fuck em!! :thumbup: Certain people just ain't worth it.
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And he complained about Jason larsen being annoying and how he wanted to ban him for that
That isn't so bad, it's kind of funny, but he should never ever actually consider it, as it's a support site. If I ran a non-support site I would ban people I found annoying.
I've complained about loads of poeple on WP before as well
But I don't run a support site and then bitch about everyone on there all the time
Yeah, me too. I would be a hopeless admin of that site, I just find too many people annoying.
He's a greedy fucker that takes advantage of people's charity.
Elaborate. What was the deal with that?
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I couldn't run a support site, lol I would be a shite admin of a site like that :laugh:
I don't think it's necessarily what he said that was wrong (apart from the "losing virginity in a sewer" comment (yes, I am bringing it up again, sorry)), more the fact that it seems bitchy and hypocritical for him to be doing that while claiming he's supporting people and helping people and that he's a good role model etc. Plus, it comes across in his posts. It's obvious he doesn't like SG and Jason larsen just by some of his posts on there. That fucks me off a bit when it's a so-called "support site"
If he's going to claim that's what the site is for, he should be supportive of ALL members, not just the ones he personally likes
And the charity thing is about all those supporter donations I think
making out people are helping others with Aspergers, advertising it as "support WrongPlanet awareness!" etc (makes it sound like a charity or something)
When the money just goes towards advertising - which doesn't help existing members - just helps alex get the member count up
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Soph, this is the finest example of corporate American culture that I could give you. All about image over substance, and he's learned how to play the game. I told him this in the pm I sent him. He knows that some people see through the bs. Maybe he's not completely happy with WP himself...but regardless, I think WP is bigger than him now. He's created this image of himself that he probably couldn't change now, even if he wished to.
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When the money just goes towards advertising - which doesn't help existing members - just helps alex get the member count up
AND the advertising revenue from
the site is sufficient to pay for his
claimed (and obscene) costs for advertising,
as well as the server costs.
He brings a decent little income in, for no
work. Mods do all the heavy lifting - still
unpaid, AFAIK.
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Soph, this is the finest example of corporate American culture that I could give you.
It'd be better, if he weren't begging for money.
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Soph, this is the finest example of corporate American culture that I could give you.
It'd be better, if he weren't begging for money.
Like a televangelist! :laugh:
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Worse. He wears yellow shoes.
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Worse. He wears yellow shoes.
Why do they even make yellow shoes larger than a nine year old girl would wear?
:D
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I saw a couple wearing them,
on campus. About my age.
To be fair though, they do go with
the school colors. Still they're atrocious.
I mean, we're not talking about canvas
or leather here, but what looks like rubber.
Bright yellow.
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Soph said she wanted a pair, just so she could kick some people in the ass with them! I got the funniest mental picture of that! :laugh:
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I'd rather beat them
with their own shoes.
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I'd rather beat them
with their own shoes.
That is a great humiliation technique.
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Worse. He wears yellow shoes.
Why do they even make yellow shoes larger than a nine year old girl would wear?
:D
because they elicit the most remarkable response from blokes. well, my yellow boots do, anyway. strange, cos i don't think they're particularly sexy at all, but men are always sort of swallowing and then commenting on them, and they're just very comfortable, practically flat, butter-soft suede, lace up, calf-length yellow boots.
weird...
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Here people wear bright green Kermit the Frog shoes
I considered buying some myself when I saw them, but all the emos and fucktards wore them
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Here people wear bright green Kermit the Frog shoes
I considered buying some myself when I saw them, but all the emos and fucktards wore them
I don't see the problem then? :green:
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Worse. He wears yellow shoes.
Why do they even make yellow shoes larger than a nine year old girl would wear?
:D
because they elicit the most remarkable response from blokes. well, my yellow boots do, anyway. strange, cos i don't think they're particularly sexy at all, but men are always sort of swallowing and then commenting on them, and they're just very comfortable, practically flat, butter-soft suede, lace up, calf-length yellow boots.
weird...
Ah, boots!
Boots make an entirely different statement, at least to me.
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He psoted nasty things about Sophie in the mod forum after she got raped, and AFAIK, she never saw them
He talked to other people about CockneyRebel and SG wearing diapers and said she was "disgusting" to other people on MSN
And he complained about Jason larsen being annoying and how he wanted to ban him for that
Probably lots of others I don't know about as well
To be fair though,
he told SG she was
disgusting directly, as well.
Thing is, in his position, he CAN'T just say what
he means. Not with the way he bans people.
But, one does want to talk about other people,
I guess.
Hell, I complained about members on WP before.
When did Alex tell me I was disgusting? I don't remember it or I never saw that post.
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Regarding Alex Plank's Original Sin. The Demise of Will - For the Record
Oct. 04, 2005
I was worried about a member on WrongPlanet. I addressed this when I wrote this thread on the moderators only forum;
(me, writing to the other moderators)
"I think this thread should be watched carefully;
http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&
I'm not sure if this person is being upfront with a threat of suicide or if it is just another of those goofy "tests" that has been posted lately and then is said to be "all in the name of fun & games"
For ________ to tell them to knock themselves out is truly inappropriate I feel (even as a joke) but what I feel is inappropriate is not usually what the majority feels so I thought I'd ask all of you.
(at this time I had just been challenged and called names for making a call on a post that I thought was inappropriate for the general forum. I felt the post should be moved to a mature forum and there was opposition regarding this action)
I went on to say;
I don't think suicide scares are something to be treated lightly (or to be done as a joke, for that matter). If someone follows through with suicide, it could backfire on WP to be seen as a site where members replied to the victim, "knock yourself out...lol""
(At the time, I didn't realize how prophetic this post would become)
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(This is the Thread I spoke about [from Will] in the post above. This was the first post from Will Freund just as he wrote it, with misspellings and all.)
Buhaha Useing the info from on the bust stop, also known as ash and Geo Stones Book I have found a simple and painless way to kill myself!All Im asking Before I do this, and threaten many websites.
Things Id like to have
Free money, Trouble getting jobs,and even in and out cant afford my expensive tastes, im a compulsive buyer now since theres nothing to do, I finish things to quickly.
Instant Friends
Ive always been a caregiver and A Volunteer But nobody wants to be my friend or after a conversation its so ackward I would say the average person lasts 3 days.Never had a friend my entire life and have no one on my cell phone besides my parents...had my cellphone since I was 16,I am 19 now.
My own residence with help getting cheap medication
Cant afford to live on my own,but having some place to live away from my onvercontroling abusive dad will be a positive to my life.
I absolutly hate anomity , but at the same time hate talking to people,anxiety.
I dont know im gona see where this goes its a dumb idea, im sure alot of people have tried it, thus this is why ytou dont see it
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(a member replied)
willfreuud1
Are You serious I had a cousin that kill himself this year.
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(a member replied)
If this is some form of sick joke, you seriously need help because going around threatening to kill yourself on public forums is disturbing. Go get some professional help please.
This is not the type of place to do this.
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(another member replied)
Knock yourself out.
(this was edited after the murder/suicide by the poster himself. He put this in its place)
edited because i love everyone
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(a member replied)
Don't kill yourself, buddy. You never know what will happen tomorrow. You might win the state lottery.
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(a member replied)
If you want to kill yourself you shouldn't announce it publicly. There are "samaritans" who scour the internet looking out for suicide threats.
Geo Stone's book is awesome, by the way.
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(a member replied)
All I can say is there were many times at 19, I felt very dispondant....and way many more times since then that I have felt wonderful. Some days suck, but things have gotten better on a more consistant basis now that I am twice your age.
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(a member quoted)
"Things Id like to have
Free money"
(then replied)
Yeah me too. So what? I don't have any idea what you're trying to say.
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(a member replied)
wtf?
Sorry I don't get this thread at all.
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(I posted this;)
Perhaps you're going through a low point? I've been depressed before. I didn't really want to die, I just wanted to stop the pain - is this maybe how you are feeling? PM me and let's talk, don't think about ways to die, you're right at a good age for positive changes to happen. I don't miss being 10 - 20 years of age, it was such a hard time in my life. Again, let's talk.
Remember, Depression is just anger without enthusiasm.
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(another member)
Oh, has to be said.
Who is being the emotional vampire now willfreund?
(this member clearly thought this was the work of another member playing another cruel joke on the emotions of the WP members again - many had been played in previous weeks.)
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(a member posted)
Its a good thing to reach out to others when one is in pain. Sometimes we lack the words to explain the pain we feel and this is one way to to it.
willfreund,
Life is hard sometimes. Is there anything we can do?
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(another member replied)
Willfreund1,
Please re-consider what you want to do.I know that life can be pain in the ass(and often times it's ALOT more than just that).But...-sighs-Have you heard of Good Charlotte's song,"Hold on if you feel like letting go/hold on,it get's better than you know/don't stop searching you're one step closer/don't stop looking it's not over/hold on".Suicide was all I thought about in my bad time(ages 8-14)and I even attempted to at age 14.When I golt help and made new friends I got better.
If you ever need anybody to talk to,you can talk to me.Fell free to Instant message,Private Message,or email me anytime.
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(a member replied)
I find it hard to believe that money, friend etc is at the root of your problems willfreund, i think it is other things in your life that has led you to feel the need to buy cumpulsively and feel rejected and you should seek out help for that. Being popular or rich isnt what validates your life, it is that you are a life with feelings like anyone else that validates it.
If you are seriously contemplating suicide you should seek help immediately from someone you can trust or the nearest doctor or a hospital. If you hang on in there you will not be the first person who has looked back years later and thought "what was i thinking". Please pm me or someone else here if you feel there is no-one IRL you can talk to right now.
If you feel you cant talk about things right now but still want to kill yourself you should go to hospital where they can keep an eye on you. No matter how abusive your dad is do you seriously think you wouldnt hurt him at least (probably others) that he will outlive his baby boy? What about your mum is she around to talk to? Even if someone close to you seems to be ignoring you i think they will start to listen if you tell them how bad you really feel and how drastic things have gotten for you. You have lived this long without killing yourself so it cant be all bad.
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(Yet Another member posted the post below, thinking he was talking with a Troll - this member had posted things almost identical to this thread many times, trying to fool other members in some sort of a sick prank)
Suicide's the latest craze. Personally, I recommend you jump on the bandwagon without delay!
willfreund1 wrote:
Free money, Trouble getting jobs,and even in and out cant afford my expensive tastes, im a compulsive buyer now since theres nothing to do, I finish things to quickly.
A member wrote:
Dude! Welfare! It's the only way to go, and you'll feel proud of yourself, too!
willfreund1 wrote:
Instant Friends
Ive always been a caregiver and A Volunteer But nobody wants to be my friend or after a conversation its so ackward I would say the average person lasts 3 days.Never had a friend my entire life and have no one on my cell phone besides my parents...had my cellphone since I was 16,I am 19 now.
A member wrote:
Make some money, and buy friends! It's the American way! As for the cell phone problem, just add a ton of numbers from the phone book.
willfreund1 wrote:
My own residence with help getting cheap medication
Cant afford to live on my own,but having some place to live away from my onvercontroling abusive dad will be a positive to my life.
I absolutly hate anomity , but at the same time hate talking to people,anxiety.
A member inapropriately (and ignorantly) wrote:
Kill yourself somewhere where lots of people will see you then. You won't be anonymous anymore! You'll be in the local newspapers the next day!
willfreund1 wrote:
I dont know im gona see where this goes its a dumb idea, im sure alot of people have tried it, thus this is why ytou dont see it
(finally, the last line regarding Will's post, someone said)
Yeah, it is a dumb idea.
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(a member replied)
People,
Suicide is a serious thing. Can we discuss it in a serious manner?
Please.
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(a member/moderator replied)
okay, people: whether or not you feel this is a serious threat, could you please refrain from making flippant comments. if someone is serious and feels that bad, the last thing they need is people taking the piss.
if it isn't serious, then please leave the Moderators to deal with it.
thank you.
willfreund1 - please ignore any sarcastic or flippant comments people have made, and don't take them to heart - they are about the people who posted them, not you.
if you're feeling that depressed, keep posting here - there are plenty of people who will listen, and people who know how horrendous it feels to be depressed, including me.
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(a member replied)
It's funny and ironic how people here would make fun of someone feeling down when they've been in the same boat themselves. Piss off, online clique -- you're not special.
I would expect this attitude from a video game forum, but an online support group for people with autism?
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At this time there were no responses from Will and everyone involved in this thread were divided as to whether this was another sick prank or someone crying out for help. Will's confusing way of writing was one of the reasons we were questioning his motives.
(a member replied)
It's pretty clear that wilfreund1 was not being serious. His first word was "Buhaha." He also titled the topic "Suicide Threat!" Notice it was a threat (as in directed to our attention), not an intention of committing actual suicide. The poor spelling is reminiscent of that person who was imitating other posters, really. (the same member that pulls these sort of pranks)
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(another member replied)
That's but your own personal assumption -- and assumptions aren't always accurate.
And why should it matter to you if he's lying or not? You made it blatantly obvious that you didn't care for the guy's woes and shortcomings, so why know?
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(a member replied)
Buhaha could mean that he is feeling that it is a way out and will serve those in his family etc who didnt treat him well enough right when they are devestated at his loss. The subject matter is true, if he is mentioning killing himself he is indeed threatening it and dont forget aspies commonly tell things quite precise and brutally honest about what is happening.
If it does turn out to be a troll job it would be the worst one in history because the things he has said arent the best to get sympathy (certainly judging by the responses by some) and he did say that he would see how it goes not saying it was definate.
I will be just as outraged and disgusted as anyone else if it is a troll but isnt it better to give someone who mentions something as serious as this the benefit of the doubt as opposed to being a possible contributing factor to a human beings death?
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(another member replied)
Well said
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(a member replied)
He's dramatizing his woes. He's the same guy who's been here before using many other names in all likelihood. I'm not going to respond with serious concern to someone who's joking.
(guess who?)
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(one member replied)
Leave it to the mods, they have members ip adresses and so have a better chance of telling whether or not this is the same guy you mentioned. Clearly Bobaloo knows of this person. Someone i know hung himself after at least one of his mates thought his threat was a joke. He wasnt laughing down at the cause of death inquest. I would rather fall for this joke a hundred times than ignore it once and live with it on my conscience. Anyone who would threaten it for their amusement must have psychological problems anyway.
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(another member replied)
"buahaah" indicates a joke, in my opinion.
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(a member replied)
have y'all forgotten that this is a forum for people with COMMUNICATIONAL DIFFICULTIES?
the post could be a joke, or it could be serious and the person could have just difficulty posting. thing is, you can't know which it is, do you really want to take the risk of making someone who's suicidal feel worse? if it's a troll, his punishment is that he's a pathetic a******. if it's for real, well, offer help or ignore but i don't think blatantly accusing him of/bashing him for being a troll is a good idea here.
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(a member replied)
Yes, you guys are right. Suicide's too serious a matter to joke off even if it seems like the other party is joking.
(Will finally replies)
And to all the people saying im fake mumm ask around in irc chat ive been like this for a while.IF I had some goods to offer like money etc Id share em out but atm I dont wanna be ratted out IF things dont go right.Maybe what scares me the most is things are going in the right direction , socialy and mentally. shrug
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(a member replied)
I never said that
I lost a cousin that killed himself this year.
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(Will wrote)
IM off to see the wizard Just wished my parents awerent so controling thats was the final push they took away my "herbs" my guns and my thermite (explosive) I would be in fear the rest of my life and I suck at getting jobs. I hope im not like martin.He was at our school And would have suizures every day. One day when he was sitting with us he had asuizire very bda, he was rushed home, left there and died nobody ever said anything about hi, I kinda worry about that , but alas when your dead you cant have a ego. BTW ____________, Man with that freaky look Your very mean, I was gona read the rest of the posts, i was reading newest to last but you stoped me.
(Will later replied)
funny what luck my moms giving me 300$ and my dad let me keep the lock picks, STil lthey dont love me they attack me all the time, its probably aspergers that makes me think that but o well
(he later wrote this;)
no clue what you said . Come on there no time in cofusing a suicideal person
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(a member replied - not realizing that Will was probably not speaking to him)
I never stopped You could have read the rest of Your Posts.
I'm SORRY for Your friend that had seizures and died.
I know it feels real bad how can I help.
(again worried, this member posts)
I was not trying to CONFUSE YOU
(another member replies)
So You have some money now
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(Will replied)
I still have time to be ok guys. Tyhis is my last post for tonight im gona be ok, parents home
kjkvc (not known why this was edited by Will, possibly one of the many graphic suicide pictures or details of how to kill yourself)
(in a later post Will posts, it seems he is trying to end his life while posting on WP)
Will writes this unclear post;
damn tight lososinh
not your fault kerry
"Fds" (another edit substituted with meaningless letters by Will. He was told to edit previous items by the moderators because of graphic pics. He complied without protest)
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(a member asks Will)
Would You like to do this through private messages?
(Will rarely PM's anyone although many try to contact him...which adds to the suspicion that he is pulling an elaborate sick prank)
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(a member replied)
Will, you seriously need to get professional help, noone on this forum can make you not feel suicidal. We are not trained to deal with that situation. Honestly go to your parents, tell them how you feel or talk to some other adult. You want to get serious attention those are the people you should be talking to for help. You're obviously needing some form of attention as per your posting of the website and those pictures but threats to people about committing suicide and saying that as you're typing you're doing it and then saying you'll post later doesn't make your pleas heard by those that can be there in your physical location to help you. Best suggestion is call 911 or something or a mental health clinic or something.
I honestly find your seeming way of trying to get attention with a suicide threat rather disturbing myself as I've known people that have done it and I feel bad for them too. When a person commits suicide, they don't just hurt themselves, they hurt others that do care about them and would rather have seen them go to a professional for help which is what you need to do for yourself.
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(a member replies)
This honeslty feels like an incoherent version of Savetoby.com only with a human instead of a rabbit. I can really understand why NeantHuman responded the way that he did. It's like this perons is holding himself hostage and wants a ransom. But the later incoherency of the posts makes me wonder just how incapacitated they are.
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(a member replies)
This whole thing is really scary to me. I wish there was something I could do.
During this ordeal, a few WP members seemingly just as distraught as the one above, PM the mods with the same thoughts and expressions.
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(a member replied)
WantFriend, forgive the suspicion of trolling. We have had too MUCH of it lately from all directions. It is very hard to tell when someone is only joking and so everyone is really paranoid right now. It isn't you at all. It's the trolls we've had in the past which makes it difficult to trust newer posters and less common threads.
Thank you to all trolls out there (sarcasm). This is what has come of your trolling.
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(another member wonders)
Why on earth did he decide to come here out of the blue, though? He'd only made one post before making this suicide threat. It's also conspicuously close to my post "WrongPlanet.net: Forum Dramatica." Believe me I know there are trolls who would do something like this (although I would never). I'm not saying he is a troll anymore, but there was one, galatea, who made a lot of misspellings, too:
galatea - from PMs - wrote:
do me a favor neanthumain and create a thread called "was henry viii an aspie?" that would be a hoot
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no im just an inteligennt persoun who in alignmant with u can transphorm this forum into a place of inspiration brimming with creativatiy and genious
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u and i could be big we could be powerful we could be rich
together we could conspire to further our own wealths
those who succeed in politics are those who befriend
wanted - "was henry viii an aspie?" thread
in return for - make a demand
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u c wat i can do dnt underestamate me againe
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willfreund1 wrote:
All Im asking Before I do this, and threaten many websites.
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This is likely the most confusing statement I read in this poster's first post... to me it sounds like the person either has serious issues that need a professional's help or is trying to get attention/joking at the cost of others. From my point of view, if I was considering suicide, I wouldn't be announcing it to everyone on the net... they can't do much for you and secondly, I wouldn't threaten to put the threat on many websites. I'd do it discreetly and wouldn't be putting 'supposed' details and pictures on the net. It's like trying to blackmail people into getting what he/she wants in the first post.
Secondly none of us can give him anything he's asked/demanded for in his original post, family could but why choose a group of people he either barely knows or doesn't know? Honestly, suicide hurts more than just the person that is going to do it, it hurts family and friends. I hope the moderators seriously evaluate what to do about this thread. It's not about making fun of the user but if the user is seriously getting a kick out of this it can do harm to the community. That is not something that needs to happen. If the person needs serious help, the most anyone on here can do where we don't know the actual location of the person or way to contact the user's parents is to suggest to get some adult help be it through parents or a helpline or another professional in their area. It's just something about this thread that has me unsettled... especially where that quote was concerned. I may be naive at times but there are times where somethings need to be questionned more deeply.
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(a member replied)
Willfreund, have you thought about calling a suicide hotline (like 1-800-784-2433 in the USA) or talking to a school counsellor (if you have one)? You seriously need to find some people who are kinder and more likely to believe you than the ones on this site.
It's like this perons is holding himself hostage and wants a ransom.
(another reply)
So what if he is? Maybe all other attempts to get help have failed.
I really wish people would back off on the accusing posts. There are a lot of reasons willfreund could be speaking openly on the net about suicide. Maybe the anonymity makes it safe. Maybe he doesn't know any other way to convince people he's for real. Maybe he wants his last actions to make a difference in the world.
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(me, trying to understand why some people are reacting as they are)
Quote:
Willfreund, have you thought about calling a suicide hotline (like 1-800-784-2433 in the USA) or talking to a school counsellor (if you have one)? You seriously need to find some people who are kinder and more likely to believe you than the ones on this site.
(My Reply:)
Excellent advice, really. Just a quick observation on how some people react to a terrible situation;
I think some folks neurotypical or not have their own way of handling stressful situations. They are not always acceptable ways.
Denial is one way some folks react to a situation they can't perceive. Anger is another way. Neither is really acceptable to the situation but I have noticed both seem to be a common reaction. My oldest son gets mad at me, everytime I become ill, even though I'm sure he knows I do not wish to be ill....I believe the thought of me dying is something he fears and his reaction (for some reason) is anger.
I am not trying to condone the seemingly uncaring and inconsiderate things that people say and do - how many times have you heard a story of someone standing on the edge of a tall building threatening to jump...some people below are screaming "Don't Do It!" others are saying "Jump! Jump!" - there are cruel people in this world, none of us can deny this, but I'd like to believe that those WP members that felt as if they were being tricked or those that spoke unkindly had some reason behind their actions. As Human Beings, We don't always react the way we are expected to. I wish the members on this site would just not comment if they cannot do so in a respectable way but this expectation is very unrealistic.
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(a member replied)
You are VERY RIGHT
People, People, Come On, Come On!!!!!
Even myself I thought of suicide, many times myself, and come more times very close to accomplishing it myself. I am glad that I AM STILL A LIVE TODAY................................
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(another member replies)
I am very glad you are alive today too. I hope you can help Willfrued, even if it is through PM's.
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(a member replied)
Suicide is just another cowardly saying of "I give up"; don't do it. I've thought of it before, but then I think, if I would have done it, I wouldn't have had lots of good things happen. I have God, I still have pain, but I still have a vision, a goal, life's race to run. I'm not stopping you from doing this act, but do you want to be a coward?
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(a member replied)
Yes, WantFriend, ________'s idea is a good one. You need to talk to someone.
I've found some of the hardest times in life aren't just because life, itself, is shitty but because I do not/cannot talk to anyone about it. The words just boil around in the stomach almost and, unsaid, make life ten times harder than it is.
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(a member replied)
I work with at risk youth and I have seen this many times. Please consider going to a local hospital who has a psychiatrist on staff. A good assessment will help you to find the right people to assist you. They can refer you to a therapist as well as prescribe some meds for the short run until you are feeling better and in a better frame of mind.
Any threat should be taken very seriously until the proper professionals can determine the seriousness of the individual.
I hope you know that there are many people who are out here and want you to feel better and work through your feelings in a healthy manner. Please reach out to a medical professional.
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(a member replied)
I agree with every word you said
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(yet another member asks)
Got aim?
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(Three days have went by on this emotional rollercoaster, Will finally replies)
Im not looking to be talked to im looking for anwsers
Will goes on to quote another member;
Quote:
WantFriend, forgive the suspicion of trolling. We have had too MUCH of it lately from all directions. It is very hard to tell when someone is only joking and so everyone is really paranoid right now. It isn't you at all. It's the trolls we've had in the past which makes it difficult to trust newer posters and less common threads.
(Will replies...)
I get the feeling of being a troll all my life, anybody that looks at me is scared and not friendly to me , I dont know why.
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(a member replied)
You have a friend willfreund1 it is good to hear from you!!!
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(another member replies)
I'm glad you posted too.
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(yet another member says)
I am so glad to see you have posted again Willfruend. I have been thinking about you.
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(a member trying to befriend will says)
Willfreund, wissen Sie Deutsch?
(you see, we had no idea where his SN came from little did we know Willfreund was litterally his name.)
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(Back to the talk with other mods)
(one moderator comments on the moderators only thread)
Yuck.
I also find the "knock yourself out comment" inapproprate but not to the level of an official warning. Perhaps a PM asking him to delete or edit the message?
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(me, speaking to one mod about the PM I sent to the member that made the "knock yourself out" comment.)
This is what I sent to ___________
Quote:
hi,________.
Could you please edit your post to willfreund1 on this thread:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6074
"Knock yourself out" is inappropriate and a little tough on someone that already seems to be hurting. It's kind of like that saying about kicking a man while he's down. This is not a warning or anything so drastic, just a request. Your cooperation is appreciated.
Please PM me if you have any questions.
Patti
a.k.a monastic (my online name everywhere)
Wrong Planet Moderator
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(a mod replied)
Excellent letter, Monastic! But he ignored it.(at least it was ignored until Will's suicide)
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(a mod replied)
yep to both __________ and monastic. i'll be keeping an eye on the thread when i'm about, too.
it's just like being at school with unruly kids...
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(this is me talking again to the other moderators - I am also having a few doubts about the claims of suicide at this point. I am also emotionally distraught and disturbed at the thought of what these posts are doing to the younger crowd that frequents WrongPlanet)
I say this;
__________________ has made it clear that he does not believe that this suicide threat is real. I can see why he feels this way as he has done this type of false posting and now wonders if anything talked about on Wrong Planet is real or merely someone having fun at anothers expense.
The cryptic last line from willfreund1, makes me wonder if it is a sick joke too;
Quote:
I dont know im gona see where this goes its a dumb idea, im sure alot of people have tried it, thus this is why ytou dont see it
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(I said...)
I really hope that this isn't (once again) someones idea of fun because I am fed up with the flippant way some are treating others emotions. Suicide is not a joking matter as I know many of you agree. It really upsets me to see someone picked on or treated badly and for a childish prankster to take some kind of sick pleasure in causing others distress, I have no tolerance for this type of person.
When someone is crying out for help because they are seriously thinking of suicide, it takes a tremendous toll on me (because I think of my own past) and despite this wear on my senses, I feel a need to help because, by some miracle I made it through such despair and I want to help others do the same.
If this thread is found to be just another "joke" I want all of you to know that I will be too distraught to deal with the perpetrator fairly (as a moderator) without wanting to scream & lash out at them for their uncaring, callous actions. I will hold in my anger but I have a feeling that <another member> will not be so kind to them.
Does anyone else see this type of joking around as a ticking time bomb or am I just way too old to find humor in such things? I am so very sick of Trolls
(after posting "how-to commit suicide threads and various pictures of suicides in progress, I was becoming frustrated with Will because there were young children on this forum too and the owner of the site was the only one that could ban members and he wasn't making himself "available" to the moderators - our sole job was to be Alex's "eyes" and to report to him anyone that was not abiding by the rules of WP, that is all we were allowed to do.)
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(another mod comments)
Regarding WIllfreud, I cannot tell if he is faking or not. This is not the first time he has done this (although it is the first time in the forums).
He has done this several times on IRC and has also passed on information on how to commit suicide to other users. One of the users passed the evidence to me but did not want to make a big deal of it so I have not reported it before now.
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(another mod replies and quotes me saying)
"Does anyone else see this type of joking around as a ticking time bomb or am I just way too old to find humor in such things?"
It really bothers me too. Jokes like that cause so much more harm than good.
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(later, a moderator asks for help)
OK, can someone do me a favour as I am not good at spliting posts.
In the suicide threat thread, can someone split out the message will Willfreud1 posted images of someone's (I do not know if that is him or not) trying to commit suicide by hanging and inform him that those are not appropriate.
Also, can you tell him that if he needs help, he needs to look for something a little more professional than what we can offer on this site IMHO.
Thank You
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(me)
Drat! I've never split a post before! I wish I could help. If they are truly pictures of someone trying to kill themself (I can't bring myself to look) then can't we just edit them and take them off altogether? This would be in the best interest of the children of WP and should not be seen as censorship but as a protection of the younger members as this whole thing has been distressing enough on them.
(I finally got up the courage to look at the pics that Will had posted - the owner of the site had told us not to edit anything out of the forum but this was too much.)
(I replied)
Let it be on my head. I am editing the pictures out. They are not appropriate for our younger members. I will send an IM to the poster to let him know. Sorry, if I'm making a mistake in taking this action.
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(another mod took on the task and did this before me, though. They replied;)
I split them off.
The mod went on to ask me;
Monastic, have you contacted the orginal poster yet? I don't want us both too. If not, I'll send a PM. Just let me know.
Thanks
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(I replied to this...)
This is all I have sent to him;
Quote:
willfreund1,
Hello. I want you to know that I am here if you just need someone to talk with. I have also thought (past tense) that suicide was the best option (I have the scars to prove it) but I do not feel this way anymore. Maybe we could talk and find out why you wish to leave this life? I'll leave it up to you. (This is said as a possible friend)
Please understand that Wrong Planet is made up of many age groups. This talk of suicide has been quite stressful on our younger members and so I am asking you to not post any more pictures of suicide attempts as this is not appropriate for our younger members. (This is said as a moderator on WP)
I want you to know that I care about what happens to you and I'm sure you have heard from other members stating the same. Life can suck sometimes and people can be cruel but it isn't all bad. As your life is now, you possibly do not feel in control of your destiny but 19 is an age of big possibilities. Give yourself a chance at being the one in control. It is scary, I'll agree, but it is way better when you are making the decisions about your life. PM me if you'd like.....the choice is yours.
Patti
a.k.a. monastic
WP moderator
It was more a friendship-type letter than a moderator letter. Thanks for splitting the thread ______.
(Will PM'ed me back and only asked me why he hadn't been banned from WP yet.)
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The mod posted;
Okay, thank you.
I will send a moderator type PM letting him know I care and am concerned about him and think that talking to the people here if he'd like AND to a trained professional is probably best. And that I also had to remove his picture. I understand why he would want to post them yet this isn't the right place for it.
Edited to add a copy of the PM:
I hope today is going better for you. I'm concerned for you and if I can do anything for you, please let me know. I hope it helped to post on Wrong Planet. ______________ wrote a good reply about seeking professional help. I second the thought. We can only do so much on line.
I understand why you would would want to post the picture of your sucide attempt yet this isn't the right place for it. I had to remove it.
Again, I hope today, or tomarrow, is better.
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(As moderators, we began to doubt each other. One mod asked;)
I understand the images being too graphic, but why did willfreund's other posts get removed? I know mods have sent him PM's, but we don't even know if he checks his PM's. I know the other posts make it clear he is attempting suicide, but I don't think we need to protect the other members of the site from knowing that. Some of them are genuinely concerned about him.
What is it going to look like when willfruend's posts are removed but ________'s and _______'s are not?
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(one mod's reply)
I removed them, so I'll try to answer your questions.
Perhaps they should not have been removed. I saw a difference between saying one was going to committe suicude and discribing how the knife you tried it with was too dull or whatever. The verbal discription seemed too graphic to me, even more so than the pictures. Do we feel that was an error? Maybe moving the topic to mature would have been better?
I appreciate the feedback so I can learn.
The mod went on to say;
I'm not sure I understand your question on _______'s and ________'s posts.
The only reference I saw to the pictures was on <another member> and I thought it still read okay even with the pictures gone.
(the mods were split on what is acceptable "free speech" and what is too graphic for all ages.)
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(one mod argued)
personally, i think _________ was right to remove them - they could be extremely distressing to some members here. even if their explicit descriptions alone were okay, being a "witness" to this sort of thing can be very disturbing for some people.
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(another mod agreed)
I agree they could be distressing... I just would have moved them to Mature, alongside the other suicide thread, before deleting them entirely.
What I meant with ________ and _________ was that their posts are antagonizing/disbelieving towards willfreund, and I wouldn't be surprised if he interprets that as some sort of rejection - ie he's being moderated, but they're not. He hasn't complained yet, though, so I could be wrong. I don't actually think ________'s or ________'s posts should be removed (an unofficial warning, maybe, but certainly not removal). I just wanted to point out a potential bombshell.
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(Still, no help or advice from the owner of the site, ALEX PLANK just complete and utter silence)
Another mod replied;
Its a valid point. I'm just not sure where to do with it. Their posts were cruel and uncalled for but not necessarily against the terms of service.
(I never saw these particular comments that were deleted. I have only heard that they were cruel and taunting in nature, but I cannot be sure - I do trust the judgement of the mod that deleted them though, she is not a jump first think later type person unless it is necessary)
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Will began to do a "countdown to his suicide" or as he put it, "since I die and am at peace" It was done in a Timeline fashion with each day ticking off.
He appeared obsessed with talking about death and suicide but would have moments where he would talk on other threads with people about other things or Will would be a visitor in the WP live chatroom (I am told) and he would seem just fine.
On Oct. 18, one mod replied;
"My drift is that he is hell bent on killing himself. It was link to that same count down ticker he has for his signature
If that's not the case, and he's just bluffing all of us, either way, I think we have a serious issue here that all of us need to address right now."
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(One mod commented)
Agreed.
How do we address it.
He's posting again...drawing attention to his ticker
(the mod was talking about the countdown Will created to chronicle his own demise - whenever we would delete one, he'd put another on a post elsewhere)
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(I asked after a exhausting night of watching the forums for disruptions)
How can we stop him from putting these on everything he posts?
I don't want him to commit suicide but we cannot continue to allow him to disrupt this forum.
Not only is he counting down to his suicide but he is wanting to take members down with him. This is wrong and it has been pointed out to him. He has been told by many of us what is allowed and what isn't allowed and yet wishes to disrupt the site.
Is there any way he can be suspended until he realizes that this type of thing will not be tolerated here? If he is allowed to continue with his countdown, I fear we might have copy-cat posters of this sort.
I know when it comes to him contemplating suicide, there is nothing any of us here at WP can do to change their minds....they have to decide for themselves to live or perhaps as many of us have suggested, willfreund1 or his family should seek help from the medical field.
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At this point many of the mods were trying to find out Wills name (we still didn't know if Will was his real name) and trying to find out where in the world he lived and who his parents were. I think one mod even called local law enforcement but without details of where this person lived or even the persons name, they treated the whole thing as just another internet incident. It was as if no one believed anything serious was happening. Still nothing done by Alex Plank, still silent even with moderators emailing him about Will.
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A mod replied;
I don't know if sig lines can be "turned off" but I agree, if we can't get him to stop we need a admin to ban him.
Warning first though? And an admin can ban him if he doesn't change in a few hours?
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A WP Administrator Sent this PM to Will;
Dear willfreund1,
I, as an admin, have removed your signature counting down to your suicide because it is not condusive to this site and others find it offensive. If you put the signature back up, your account will be banned from WP.
Secondly, you are being informed that assisting someone in trying to kill themselves if they are suicidal or offering any services to that effect is also against the WP rules.
Finally, I do not know whether you are bluffing or not. I cannot say. I do suggest however that you seek out professional help outside of this website.
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact myself or any of the other mods. If you do not agree with what I have done, please contact Alex.
Thank You
The Admin. Received this PM from Will that evening;
Quote:
interesting, Well keep a watch out for me im gona be trying things in this forum
(The Administrator told the moderators;)
I guess by the time I am done with my morning route, I will be banning him. Better check for IPs because I will probably have to IP ban him rather than name ban him.
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Another Admin. Said;
"I'm very confused by his mood swings.
A week ago, out of the blue, he sents me a PM that said, in so many words, who the F are you to be a mod. This morning, again out of the blue, I get a polite request to read his post about his dog.
I'm confused."
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Some mods still feverishly worked to find out the identity of the person we only knew as willfreund1
On October 30th, one of the administrators posted this in the mods only forum;
"a heads up, people:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6849
if this is willfreund, we need to keep an eye on the thread, to see how people respond - feelings might run high, especially confusion, shock, maybe even guilt (have had to deal with stuff like this before). with any luck, it won't happen, but just in case.
and we need to be absolutely clear that no-one here is in any way accountable or responsible for anything which has happened. any feelings of "if only i'd/we'd done x..." are normal, but there isn't anything anyone could have done to prevent this."
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One Admin. wrote;
"OK,
I am guessing that this is Willfreund1 for a couple of reasons. One, the story is true. I verified it with the LA Times. Two, his IP links had oc in them. It could mean either Orange County (or Oklahoma City for all we know).
In either case, we have to act for when the witch hunt gets underway."
....and a witch hunt it was. I feel under the circumstances and being who we were, we did the best we could with the abilities we had. Only ALEX PLANK had the ability to ban Will or turn him in to the authorities and he kept silent when he should have taken action.
The experience has changed me forever. I was at least "coming out of my shell" a bit more, at least online and now, it's everything I can do to force myself to speak to others online, I mostly lurk. I doubt myself alot and my advice & can't help but feel responsible even though in my heart I really doubt we could have changed Will's mind on his suicide - I just wish we could have prevented others from being killed.
I believe the wrong medications and parents/doctors not listening to Will when he tried to let them know that he was taking something that wasn't working was the ultimate reason things went so terribly wrong. He had decided on suicide long before he came to WrongPlanet, I believe. He just hadn't worked out the time or the details, yet.
So, I'm sure you have your own feelings on what should have, would have, could have been. It's been years since this tragic day but still I think of what could have happened, what we could have done that could have changed the course of history for these poor people and one very troubled young man. All ALEX PLANK could think of with a sort of Sick-Enjoyment, was how many people would visit WrongPlanet after this tragic event. I will forever remember this about Alex.
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I don't hate him i just think he is stupid :thumbup:
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:plus: Monastic.
You should put this in the re-posted forum too, so it doesn't get lost on the back page of an existing thread.
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Regarding Alex Plank's Original Sin. The Demise of Will - For the Record
Oct. 04, 2005
I was worried about a member on WrongPlanet. I addressed this when I wrote this thread on the moderators only forum;
(me, writing to the other moderators)
"I think this thread should be watched carefully;
http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&
I'm not sure if this person is being upfront with a threat of suicide or if it is just another of those goofy "tests" that has been posted lately and then is said to be "all in the name of fun & games"
For ________ to tell them to knock themselves out is truly inappropriate I feel (even as a joke) but what I feel is inappropriate is not usually what the majority feels so I thought I'd ask all of you.
(at this time I had just been challenged and called names for making a call on a post that I thought was inappropriate for the general forum. I felt the post should be moved to a mature forum and there was opposition regarding this action)
I went on to say;
I don't think suicide scares are something to be treated lightly (or to be done as a joke, for that matter). If someone follows through with suicide, it could backfire on WP to be seen as a site where members replied to the victim, "knock yourself out...lol""
(At the time, I didn't realize how prophetic this post would become)
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(This is the Thread I spoke about [from Will] in the post above. This was the first post from Will Freund just as he wrote it, with misspellings and all.)
Buhaha Useing the info from on the bust stop, also known as ash and Geo Stones Book I have found a simple and painless way to kill myself!All Im asking Before I do this, and threaten many websites.
Things Id like to have
Free money, Trouble getting jobs,and even in and out cant afford my expensive tastes, im a compulsive buyer now since theres nothing to do, I finish things to quickly.
Instant Friends
Ive always been a caregiver and A Volunteer But nobody wants to be my friend or after a conversation its so ackward I would say the average person lasts 3 days.Never had a friend my entire life and have no one on my cell phone besides my parents...had my cellphone since I was 16,I am 19 now.
My own residence with help getting cheap medication
Cant afford to live on my own,but having some place to live away from my onvercontroling abusive dad will be a positive to my life.
I absolutly hate anomity , but at the same time hate talking to people,anxiety.
I dont know im gona see where this goes its a dumb idea, im sure alot of people have tried it, thus this is why ytou dont see it
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(a member replied)
willfreuud1
Are You serious I had a cousin that kill himself this year.
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(a member replied)
If this is some form of sick joke, you seriously need help because going around threatening to kill yourself on public forums is disturbing. Go get some professional help please.
This is not the type of place to do this.
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(another member replied)
Knock yourself out.
(this was edited after the murder/suicide by the poster himself. He put this in its place)
edited because i love everyone
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(a member replied)
Don't kill yourself, buddy. You never know what will happen tomorrow. You might win the state lottery.
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(a member replied)
If you want to kill yourself you shouldn't announce it publicly. There are "samaritans" who scour the internet looking out for suicide threats.
Geo Stone's book is awesome, by the way.
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(a member replied)
All I can say is there were many times at 19, I felt very dispondant....and way many more times since then that I have felt wonderful. Some days suck, but things have gotten better on a more consistant basis now that I am twice your age.
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(a member quoted)
"Things Id like to have
Free money"
(then replied)
Yeah me too. So what? I don't have any idea what you're trying to say.
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(a member replied)
wtf?
Sorry I don't get this thread at all.
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(I posted this;)
Perhaps you're going through a low point? I've been depressed before. I didn't really want to die, I just wanted to stop the pain - is this maybe how you are feeling? PM me and let's talk, don't think about ways to die, you're right at a good age for positive changes to happen. I don't miss being 10 - 20 years of age, it was such a hard time in my life. Again, let's talk.
Remember, Depression is just anger without enthusiasm.
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(another member)
Oh, has to be said.
Who is being the emotional vampire now willfreund?
(this member clearly thought this was the work of another member playing another cruel joke on the emotions of the WP members again - many had been played in previous weeks.)
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(a member posted)
Its a good thing to reach out to others when one is in pain. Sometimes we lack the words to explain the pain we feel and this is one way to to it.
willfreund,
Life is hard sometimes. Is there anything we can do?
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(another member replied)
Willfreund1,
Please re-consider what you want to do.I know that life can be pain in the ass(and often times it's ALOT more than just that).But...-sighs-Have you heard of Good Charlotte's song,"Hold on if you feel like letting go/hold on,it get's better than you know/don't stop searching you're one step closer/don't stop looking it's not over/hold on".Suicide was all I thought about in my bad time(ages 8-14)and I even attempted to at age 14.When I golt help and made new friends I got better.
If you ever need anybody to talk to,you can talk to me.Fell free to Instant message,Private Message,or email me anytime.
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(a member replied)
I find it hard to believe that money, friend etc is at the root of your problems willfreund, i think it is other things in your life that has led you to feel the need to buy cumpulsively and feel rejected and you should seek out help for that. Being popular or rich isnt what validates your life, it is that you are a life with feelings like anyone else that validates it.
If you are seriously contemplating suicide you should seek help immediately from someone you can trust or the nearest doctor or a hospital. If you hang on in there you will not be the first person who has looked back years later and thought "what was i thinking". Please pm me or someone else here if you feel there is no-one IRL you can talk to right now.
If you feel you cant talk about things right now but still want to kill yourself you should go to hospital where they can keep an eye on you. No matter how abusive your dad is do you seriously think you wouldnt hurt him at least (probably others) that he will outlive his baby boy? What about your mum is she around to talk to? Even if someone close to you seems to be ignoring you i think they will start to listen if you tell them how bad you really feel and how drastic things have gotten for you. You have lived this long without killing yourself so it cant be all bad.
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(Yet Another member posted the post below, thinking he was talking with a Troll - this member had posted things almost identical to this thread many times, trying to fool other members in some sort of a sick prank)
Suicide's the latest craze. Personally, I recommend you jump on the bandwagon without delay!
willfreund1 wrote:
Free money, Trouble getting jobs,and even in and out cant afford my expensive tastes, im a compulsive buyer now since theres nothing to do, I finish things to quickly.
A member wrote:
Dude! Welfare! It's the only way to go, and you'll feel proud of yourself, too!
willfreund1 wrote:
Instant Friends
Ive always been a caregiver and A Volunteer But nobody wants to be my friend or after a conversation its so ackward I would say the average person lasts 3 days.Never had a friend my entire life and have no one on my cell phone besides my parents...had my cellphone since I was 16,I am 19 now.
A member wrote:
Make some money, and buy friends! It's the American way! As for the cell phone problem, just add a ton of numbers from the phone book.
willfreund1 wrote:
My own residence with help getting cheap medication
Cant afford to live on my own,but having some place to live away from my onvercontroling abusive dad will be a positive to my life.
I absolutly hate anomity , but at the same time hate talking to people,anxiety.
A member inapropriately (and ignorantly) wrote:
Kill yourself somewhere where lots of people will see you then. You won't be anonymous anymore! You'll be in the local newspapers the next day!
willfreund1 wrote:
I dont know im gona see where this goes its a dumb idea, im sure alot of people have tried it, thus this is why ytou dont see it
(finally, the last line regarding Will's post, someone said)
Yeah, it is a dumb idea.
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(a member replied)
People,
Suicide is a serious thing. Can we discuss it in a serious manner?
Please.
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(a member/moderator replied)
okay, people: whether or not you feel this is a serious threat, could you please refrain from making flippant comments. if someone is serious and feels that bad, the last thing they need is people taking the piss.
if it isn't serious, then please leave the Moderators to deal with it.
thank you.
willfreund1 - please ignore any sarcastic or flippant comments people have made, and don't take them to heart - they are about the people who posted them, not you.
if you're feeling that depressed, keep posting here - there are plenty of people who will listen, and people who know how horrendous it feels to be depressed, including me.
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(a member replied)
It's funny and ironic how people here would make fun of someone feeling down when they've been in the same boat themselves. Piss off, online clique -- you're not special.
I would expect this attitude from a video game forum, but an online support group for people with autism?
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At this time there were no responses from Will and everyone involved in this thread were divided as to whether this was another sick prank or someone crying out for help. Will's confusing way of writing was one of the reasons we were questioning his motives.
(a member replied)
It's pretty clear that wilfreund1 was not being serious. His first word was "Buhaha." He also titled the topic "Suicide Threat!" Notice it was a threat (as in directed to our attention), not an intention of committing actual suicide. The poor spelling is reminiscent of that person who was imitating other posters, really. (the same member that pulls these sort of pranks)
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(another member replied)
That's but your own personal assumption -- and assumptions aren't always accurate.
And why should it matter to you if he's lying or not? You made it blatantly obvious that you didn't care for the guy's woes and shortcomings, so why know?
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(a member replied)
Buhaha could mean that he is feeling that it is a way out and will serve those in his family etc who didnt treat him well enough right when they are devestated at his loss. The subject matter is true, if he is mentioning killing himself he is indeed threatening it and dont forget aspies commonly tell things quite precise and brutally honest about what is happening.
If it does turn out to be a troll job it would be the worst one in history because the things he has said arent the best to get sympathy (certainly judging by the responses by some) and he did say that he would see how it goes not saying it was definate.
I will be just as outraged and disgusted as anyone else if it is a troll but isnt it better to give someone who mentions something as serious as this the benefit of the doubt as opposed to being a possible contributing factor to a human beings death?
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(another member replied)
Well said
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(a member replied)
He's dramatizing his woes. He's the same guy who's been here before using many other names in all likelihood. I'm not going to respond with serious concern to someone who's joking.
(guess who?)
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(one member replied)
Leave it to the mods, they have members ip adresses and so have a better chance of telling whether or not this is the same guy you mentioned. Clearly Bobaloo knows of this person. Someone i know hung himself after at least one of his mates thought his threat was a joke. He wasnt laughing down at the cause of death inquest. I would rather fall for this joke a hundred times than ignore it once and live with it on my conscience. Anyone who would threaten it for their amusement must have psychological problems anyway.
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(another member replied)
"buahaah" indicates a joke, in my opinion.
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(a member replied)
have y'all forgotten that this is a forum for people with COMMUNICATIONAL DIFFICULTIES?
the post could be a joke, or it could be serious and the person could have just difficulty posting. thing is, you can't know which it is, do you really want to take the risk of making someone who's suicidal feel worse? if it's a troll, his punishment is that he's a pathetic a******. if it's for real, well, offer help or ignore but i don't think blatantly accusing him of/bashing him for being a troll is a good idea here.
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(a member replied)
Yes, you guys are right. Suicide's too serious a matter to joke off even if it seems like the other party is joking.
(Will finally replies)
And to all the people saying im fake mumm ask around in irc chat ive been like this for a while.IF I had some goods to offer like money etc Id share em out but atm I dont wanna be ratted out IF things dont go right.Maybe what scares me the most is things are going in the right direction , socialy and mentally. shrug
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(a member replied)
I never said that
I lost a cousin that killed himself this year.
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(Will wrote)
IM off to see the wizard Just wished my parents awerent so controling thats was the final push they took away my "herbs" my guns and my thermite (explosive) I would be in fear the rest of my life and I suck at getting jobs. I hope im not like martin.He was at our school And would have suizures every day. One day when he was sitting with us he had asuizire very bda, he was rushed home, left there and died nobody ever said anything about hi, I kinda worry about that , but alas when your dead you cant have a ego. BTW ____________, Man with that freaky look Your very mean, I was gona read the rest of the posts, i was reading newest to last but you stoped me.
(Will later replied)
funny what luck my moms giving me 300$ and my dad let me keep the lock picks, STil lthey dont love me they attack me all the time, its probably aspergers that makes me think that but o well
(he later wrote this;)
no clue what you said . Come on there no time in cofusing a suicideal person
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(a member replied - not realizing that Will was probably not speaking to him)
I never stopped You could have read the rest of Your Posts.
I'm SORRY for Your friend that had seizures and died.
I know it feels real bad how can I help.
(again worried, this member posts)
I was not trying to CONFUSE YOU
(another member replies)
So You have some money now
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(Will replied)
I still have time to be ok guys. Tyhis is my last post for tonight im gona be ok, parents home
kjkvc (not known why this was edited by Will, possibly one of the many graphic suicide pictures or details of how to kill yourself)
(in a later post Will posts, it seems he is trying to end his life while posting on WP)
Will writes this unclear post;
damn tight lososinh
not your fault kerry
"Fds" (another edit substituted with meaningless letters by Will. He was told to edit previous items by the moderators because of graphic pics. He complied without protest)
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(a member asks Will)
Would You like to do this through private messages?
(Will rarely PM's anyone although many try to contact him...which adds to the suspicion that he is pulling an elaborate sick prank)
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(a member replied)
Will, you seriously need to get professional help, noone on this forum can make you not feel suicidal. We are not trained to deal with that situation. Honestly go to your parents, tell them how you feel or talk to some other adult. You want to get serious attention those are the people you should be talking to for help. You're obviously needing some form of attention as per your posting of the website and those pictures but threats to people about committing suicide and saying that as you're typing you're doing it and then saying you'll post later doesn't make your pleas heard by those that can be there in your physical location to help you. Best suggestion is call 911 or something or a mental health clinic or something.
I honestly find your seeming way of trying to get attention with a suicide threat rather disturbing myself as I've known people that have done it and I feel bad for them too. When a person commits suicide, they don't just hurt themselves, they hurt others that do care about them and would rather have seen them go to a professional for help which is what you need to do for yourself.
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(a member replies)
This honeslty feels like an incoherent version of Savetoby.com only with a human instead of a rabbit. I can really understand why NeantHuman responded the way that he did. It's like this perons is holding himself hostage and wants a ransom. But the later incoherency of the posts makes me wonder just how incapacitated they are.
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(a member replies)
This whole thing is really scary to me. I wish there was something I could do.
During this ordeal, a few WP members seemingly just as distraught as the one above, PM the mods with the same thoughts and expressions.
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(a member replied)
WantFriend, forgive the suspicion of trolling. We have had too MUCH of it lately from all directions. It is very hard to tell when someone is only joking and so everyone is really paranoid right now. It isn't you at all. It's the trolls we've had in the past which makes it difficult to trust newer posters and less common threads.
Thank you to all trolls out there (sarcasm). This is what has come of your trolling.
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(another member wonders)
Why on earth did he decide to come here out of the blue, though? He'd only made one post before making this suicide threat. It's also conspicuously close to my post "WrongPlanet.net: Forum Dramatica." Believe me I know there are trolls who would do something like this (although I would never). I'm not saying he is a troll anymore, but there was one, galatea, who made a lot of misspellings, too:
galatea - from PMs - wrote:
do me a favor neanthumain and create a thread called "was henry viii an aspie?" that would be a hoot
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no im just an inteligennt persoun who in alignmant with u can transphorm this forum into a place of inspiration brimming with creativatiy and genious
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u and i could be big we could be powerful we could be rich
together we could conspire to further our own wealths
those who succeed in politics are those who befriend
wanted - "was henry viii an aspie?" thread
in return for - make a demand
----
u c wat i can do dnt underestamate me againe
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willfreund1 wrote:
All Im asking Before I do this, and threaten many websites.
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This is likely the most confusing statement I read in this poster's first post... to me it sounds like the person either has serious issues that need a professional's help or is trying to get attention/joking at the cost of others. From my point of view, if I was considering suicide, I wouldn't be announcing it to everyone on the net... they can't do much for you and secondly, I wouldn't threaten to put the threat on many websites. I'd do it discreetly and wouldn't be putting 'supposed' details and pictures on the net. It's like trying to blackmail people into getting what he/she wants in the first post.
Secondly none of us can give him anything he's asked/demanded for in his original post, family could but why choose a group of people he either barely knows or doesn't know? Honestly, suicide hurts more than just the person that is going to do it, it hurts family and friends. I hope the moderators seriously evaluate what to do about this thread. It's not about making fun of the user but if the user is seriously getting a kick out of this it can do harm to the community. That is not something that needs to happen. If the person needs serious help, the most anyone on here can do where we don't know the actual location of the person or way to contact the user's parents is to suggest to get some adult help be it through parents or a helpline or another professional in their area. It's just something about this thread that has me unsettled... especially where that quote was concerned. I may be naive at times but there are times where somethings need to be questionned more deeply.
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(a member replied)
Willfreund, have you thought about calling a suicide hotline (like 1-800-784-2433 in the USA) or talking to a school counsellor (if you have one)? You seriously need to find some people who are kinder and more likely to believe you than the ones on this site.
It's like this perons is holding himself hostage and wants a ransom.
(another reply)
So what if he is? Maybe all other attempts to get help have failed.
I really wish people would back off on the accusing posts. There are a lot of reasons willfreund could be speaking openly on the net about suicide. Maybe the anonymity makes it safe. Maybe he doesn't know any other way to convince people he's for real. Maybe he wants his last actions to make a difference in the world.
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(me, trying to understand why some people are reacting as they are)
Quote:
Willfreund, have you thought about calling a suicide hotline (like 1-800-784-2433 in the USA) or talking to a school counsellor (if you have one)? You seriously need to find some people who are kinder and more likely to believe you than the ones on this site.
(My Reply:)
Excellent advice, really. Just a quick observation on how some people react to a terrible situation;
I think some folks neurotypical or not have their own way of handling stressful situations. They are not always acceptable ways.
Denial is one way some folks react to a situation they can't perceive. Anger is another way. Neither is really acceptable to the situation but I have noticed both seem to be a common reaction. My oldest son gets mad at me, everytime I become ill, even though I'm sure he knows I do not wish to be ill....I believe the thought of me dying is something he fears and his reaction (for some reason) is anger.
I am not trying to condone the seemingly uncaring and inconsiderate things that people say and do - how many times have you heard a story of someone standing on the edge of a tall building threatening to jump...some people below are screaming "Don't Do It!" others are saying "Jump! Jump!" - there are cruel people in this world, none of us can deny this, but I'd like to believe that those WP members that felt as if they were being tricked or those that spoke unkindly had some reason behind their actions. As Human Beings, We don't always react the way we are expected to. I wish the members on this site would just not comment if they cannot do so in a respectable way but this expectation is very unrealistic.
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(a member replied)
You are VERY RIGHT
People, People, Come On, Come On!!!!!
Even myself I thought of suicide, many times myself, and come more times very close to accomplishing it myself. I am glad that I AM STILL A LIVE TODAY................................
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(another member replies)
I am very glad you are alive today too. I hope you can help Willfrued, even if it is through PM's.
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(a member replied)
Suicide is just another cowardly saying of "I give up"; don't do it. I've thought of it before, but then I think, if I would have done it, I wouldn't have had lots of good things happen. I have God, I still have pain, but I still have a vision, a goal, life's race to run. I'm not stopping you from doing this act, but do you want to be a coward?
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(a member replied)
Yes, WantFriend, ________'s idea is a good one. You need to talk to someone.
I've found some of the hardest times in life aren't just because life, itself, is shitty but because I do not/cannot talk to anyone about it. The words just boil around in the stomach almost and, unsaid, make life ten times harder than it is.
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(a member replied)
I work with at risk youth and I have seen this many times. Please consider going to a local hospital who has a psychiatrist on staff. A good assessment will help you to find the right people to assist you. They can refer you to a therapist as well as prescribe some meds for the short run until you are feeling better and in a better frame of mind.
Any threat should be taken very seriously until the proper professionals can determine the seriousness of the individual.
I hope you know that there are many people who are out here and want you to feel better and work through your feelings in a healthy manner. Please reach out to a medical professional.
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(a member replied)
I agree with every word you said
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(yet another member asks)
Got aim?
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(Three days have went by on this emotional rollercoaster, Will finally replies)
Im not looking to be talked to im looking for anwsers
Will goes on to quote another member;
Quote:
WantFriend, forgive the suspicion of trolling. We have had too MUCH of it lately from all directions. It is very hard to tell when someone is only joking and so everyone is really paranoid right now. It isn't you at all. It's the trolls we've had in the past which makes it difficult to trust newer posters and less common threads.
(Will replies...)
I get the feeling of being a troll all my life, anybody that looks at me is scared and not friendly to me , I dont know why.
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(a member replied)
You have a friend willfreund1 it is good to hear from you!!!
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(another member replies)
I'm glad you posted too.
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(yet another member says)
I am so glad to see you have posted again Willfruend. I have been thinking about you.
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(a member trying to befriend will says)
Willfreund, wissen Sie Deutsch?
(you see, we had no idea where his SN came from little did we know Willfreund was litterally his name.)
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(Back to the talk with other mods)
(one moderator comments on the moderators only thread)
Yuck.
I also find the "knock yourself out comment" inapproprate but not to the level of an official warning. Perhaps a PM asking him to delete or edit the message?
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(me, speaking to one mod about the PM I sent to the member that made the "knock yourself out" comment.)
This is what I sent to ___________
Quote:
hi,________.
Could you please edit your post to willfreund1 on this thread:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6074
"Knock yourself out" is inappropriate and a little tough on someone that already seems to be hurting. It's kind of like that saying about kicking a man while he's down. This is not a warning or anything so drastic, just a request. Your cooperation is appreciated.
Please PM me if you have any questions.
Patti
a.k.a monastic (my online name everywhere)
Wrong Planet Moderator
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(a mod replied)
Excellent letter, Monastic! But he ignored it.(at least it was ignored until Will's suicide)
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(a mod replied)
yep to both __________ and monastic. i'll be keeping an eye on the thread when i'm about, too.
it's just like being at school with unruly kids...
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(this is me talking again to the other moderators - I am also having a few doubts about the claims of suicide at this point. I am also emotionally distraught and disturbed at the thought of what these posts are doing to the younger crowd that frequents WrongPlanet)
I say this;
__________________ has made it clear that he does not believe that this suicide threat is real. I can see why he feels this way as he has done this type of false posting and now wonders if anything talked about on Wrong Planet is real or merely someone having fun at anothers expense.
The cryptic last line from willfreund1, makes me wonder if it is a sick joke too;
Quote:
I dont know im gona see where this goes its a dumb idea, im sure alot of people have tried it, thus this is why ytou dont see it
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(I said...)
I really hope that this isn't (once again) someones idea of fun because I am fed up with the flippant way some are treating others emotions. Suicide is not a joking matter as I know many of you agree. It really upsets me to see someone picked on or treated badly and for a childish prankster to take some kind of sick pleasure in causing others distress, I have no tolerance for this type of person.
When someone is crying out for help because they are seriously thinking of suicide, it takes a tremendous toll on me (because I think of my own past) and despite this wear on my senses, I feel a need to help because, by some miracle I made it through such despair and I want to help others do the same.
If this thread is found to be just another "joke" I want all of you to know that I will be too distraught to deal with the perpetrator fairly (as a moderator) without wanting to scream & lash out at them for their uncaring, callous actions. I will hold in my anger but I have a feeling that <another member> will not be so kind to them.
Does anyone else see this type of joking around as a ticking time bomb or am I just way too old to find humor in such things? I am so very sick of Trolls
(after posting "how-to commit suicide threads and various pictures of suicides in progress, I was becoming frustrated with Will because there were young children on this forum too and the owner of the site was the only one that could ban members and he wasn't making himself "available" to the moderators - our sole job was to be Alex's "eyes" and to report to him anyone that was not abiding by the rules of WP, that is all we were allowed to do.)
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(another mod comments)
Regarding WIllfreud, I cannot tell if he is faking or not. This is not the first time he has done this (although it is the first time in the forums).
He has done this several times on IRC and has also passed on information on how to commit suicide to other users. One of the users passed the evidence to me but did not want to make a big deal of it so I have not reported it before now.
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(another mod replies and quotes me saying)
"Does anyone else see this type of joking around as a ticking time bomb or am I just way too old to find humor in such things?"
It really bothers me too. Jokes like that cause so much more harm than good.
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(later, a moderator asks for help)
OK, can someone do me a favour as I am not good at spliting posts.
In the suicide threat thread, can someone split out the message will Willfreud1 posted images of someone's (I do not know if that is him or not) trying to commit suicide by hanging and inform him that those are not appropriate.
Also, can you tell him that if he needs help, he needs to look for something a little more professional than what we can offer on this site IMHO.
Thank You
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(me)
Drat! I've never split a post before! I wish I could help. If they are truly pictures of someone trying to kill themself (I can't bring myself to look) then can't we just edit them and take them off altogether? This would be in the best interest of the children of WP and should not be seen as censorship but as a protection of the younger members as this whole thing has been distressing enough on them.
(I finally got up the courage to look at the pics that Will had posted - the owner of the site had told us not to edit anything out of the forum but this was too much.)
(I replied)
Let it be on my head. I am editing the pictures out. They are not appropriate for our younger members. I will send an IM to the poster to let him know. Sorry, if I'm making a mistake in taking this action.
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(another mod took on the task and did this before me, though. They replied;)
I split them off.
The mod went on to ask me;
Monastic, have you contacted the orginal poster yet? I don't want us both too. If not, I'll send a PM. Just let me know.
Thanks
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(I replied to this...)
This is all I have sent to him;
Quote:
willfreund1,
Hello. I want you to know that I am here if you just need someone to talk with. I have also thought (past tense) that suicide was the best option (I have the scars to prove it) but I do not feel this way anymore. Maybe we could talk and find out why you wish to leave this life? I'll leave it up to you. (This is said as a possible friend)
Please understand that Wrong Planet is made up of many age groups. This talk of suicide has been quite stressful on our younger members and so I am asking you to not post any more pictures of suicide attempts as this is not appropriate for our younger members. (This is said as a moderator on WP)
I want you to know that I care about what happens to you and I'm sure you have heard from other members stating the same. Life can suck sometimes and people can be cruel but it isn't all bad. As your life is now, you possibly do not feel in control of your destiny but 19 is an age of big possibilities. Give yourself a chance at being the one in control. It is scary, I'll agree, but it is way better when you are making the decisions about your life. PM me if you'd like.....the choice is yours.
Patti
a.k.a. monastic
WP moderator
It was more a friendship-type letter than a moderator letter. Thanks for splitting the thread ______.
(Will PM'ed me back and only asked me why he hadn't been banned from WP yet.)
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The mod posted;
Okay, thank you.
I will send a moderator type PM letting him know I care and am concerned about him and think that talking to the people here if he'd like AND to a trained professional is probably best. And that I also had to remove his picture. I understand why he would want to post them yet this isn't the right place for it.
Edited to add a copy of the PM:
I hope today is going better for you. I'm concerned for you and if I can do anything for you, please let me know. I hope it helped to post on Wrong Planet. ______________ wrote a good reply about seeking professional help. I second the thought. We can only do so much on line.
I understand why you would would want to post the picture of your sucide attempt yet this isn't the right place for it. I had to remove it.
Again, I hope today, or tomarrow, is better.
______________
(As moderators, we began to doubt each other. One mod asked;)
I understand the images being too graphic, but why did willfreund's other posts get removed? I know mods have sent him PM's, but we don't even know if he checks his PM's. I know the other posts make it clear he is attempting suicide, but I don't think we need to protect the other members of the site from knowing that. Some of them are genuinely concerned about him.
What is it going to look like when willfruend's posts are removed but ________'s and _______'s are not?
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(one mod's reply)
I removed them, so I'll try to answer your questions.
Perhaps they should not have been removed. I saw a difference between saying one was going to committe suicude and discribing how the knife you tried it with was too dull or whatever. The verbal discription seemed too graphic to me, even more so than the pictures. Do we feel that was an error? Maybe moving the topic to mature would have been better?
I appreciate the feedback so I can learn.
The mod went on to say;
I'm not sure I understand your question on _______'s and ________'s posts.
The only reference I saw to the pictures was on <another member> and I thought it still read okay even with the pictures gone.
(the mods were split on what is acceptable "free speech" and what is too graphic for all ages.)
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(one mod argued)
personally, i think _________ was right to remove them - they could be extremely distressing to some members here. even if their explicit descriptions alone were okay, being a "witness" to this sort of thing can be very disturbing for some people.
__________
(another mod agreed)
I agree they could be distressing... I just would have moved them to Mature, alongside the other suicide thread, before deleting them entirely.
What I meant with ________ and _________ was that their posts are antagonizing/disbelieving towards willfreund, and I wouldn't be surprised if he interprets that as some sort of rejection - ie he's being moderated, but they're not. He hasn't complained yet, though, so I could be wrong. I don't actually think ________'s or ________'s posts should be removed (an unofficial warning, maybe, but certainly not removal). I just wanted to point out a potential bombshell.
_________________
(Still, no help or advice from the owner of the site, ALEX PLANK just complete and utter silence)
Another mod replied;
Its a valid point. I'm just not sure where to do with it. Their posts were cruel and uncalled for but not necessarily against the terms of service.
(I never saw these particular comments that were deleted. I have only heard that they were cruel and taunting in nature, but I cannot be sure - I do trust the judgement of the mod that deleted them though, she is not a jump first think later type person unless it is necessary)
________________
Will began to do a "countdown to his suicide" or as he put it, "since I die and am at peace" It was done in a Timeline fashion with each day ticking off.
He appeared obsessed with talking about death and suicide but would have moments where he would talk on other threads with people about other things or Will would be a visitor in the WP live chatroom (I am told) and he would seem just fine.
On Oct. 18, one mod replied;
"My drift is that he is hell bent on killing himself. It was link to that same count down ticker he has for his signature
If that's not the case, and he's just bluffing all of us, either way, I think we have a serious issue here that all of us need to address right now."
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(One mod commented)
Agreed.
How do we address it.
He's posting again...drawing attention to his ticker
(the mod was talking about the countdown Will created to chronicle his own demise - whenever we would delete one, he'd put another on a post elsewhere)
____________
(I asked after a exhausting night of watching the forums for disruptions)
How can we stop him from putting these on everything he posts?
I don't want him to commit suicide but we cannot continue to allow him to disrupt this forum.
Not only is he counting down to his suicide but he is wanting to take members down with him. This is wrong and it has been pointed out to him. He has been told by many of us what is allowed and what isn't allowed and yet wishes to disrupt the site.
Is there any way he can be suspended until he realizes that this type of thing will not be tolerated here? If he is allowed to continue with his countdown, I fear we might have copy-cat posters of this sort.
I know when it comes to him contemplating suicide, there is nothing any of us here at WP can do to change their minds....they have to decide for themselves to live or perhaps as many of us have suggested, willfreund1 or his family should seek help from the medical field.
____________
At this point many of the mods were trying to find out Wills name (we still didn't know if Will was his real name) and trying to find out where in the world he lived and who his parents were. I think one mod even called local law enforcement but without details of where this person lived or even the persons name, they treated the whole thing as just another internet incident. It was as if no one believed anything serious was happening. Still nothing done by Alex Plank, still silent even with moderators emailing him about Will.
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A mod replied;
I don't know if sig lines can be "turned off" but I agree, if we can't get him to stop we need a admin to ban him.
Warning first though? And an admin can ban him if he doesn't change in a few hours?
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A WP Administrator Sent this PM to Will;
Dear willfreund1,
I, as an admin, have removed your signature counting down to your suicide because it is not condusive to this site and others find it offensive. If you put the signature back up, your account will be banned from WP.
Secondly, you are being informed that assisting someone in trying to kill themselves if they are suicidal or offering any services to that effect is also against the WP rules.
Finally, I do not know whether you are bluffing or not. I cannot say. I do suggest however that you seek out professional help outside of this website.
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact myself or any of the other mods. If you do not agree with what I have done, please contact Alex.
Thank You
The Admin. Received this PM from Will that evening;
Quote:
interesting, Well keep a watch out for me im gona be trying things in this forum
(The Administrator told the moderators;)
I guess by the time I am done with my morning route, I will be banning him. Better check for IPs because I will probably have to IP ban him rather than name ban him.
______________
Another Admin. Said;
"I'm very confused by his mood swings.
A week ago, out of the blue, he sents me a PM that said, in so many words, who the F are you to be a mod. This morning, again out of the blue, I get a polite request to read his post about his dog.
I'm confused."
________________
Some mods still feverishly worked to find out the identity of the person we only knew as willfreund1
On October 30th, one of the administrators posted this in the mods only forum;
"a heads up, people:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6849
if this is willfreund, we need to keep an eye on the thread, to see how people respond - feelings might run high, especially confusion, shock, maybe even guilt (have had to deal with stuff like this before). with any luck, it won't happen, but just in case.
and we need to be absolutely clear that no-one here is in any way accountable or responsible for anything which has happened. any feelings of "if only i'd/we'd done x..." are normal, but there isn't anything anyone could have done to prevent this."
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One Admin. wrote;
"OK,
I am guessing that this is Willfreund1 for a couple of reasons. One, the story is true. I verified it with the LA Times. Two, his IP links had oc in them. It could mean either Orange County (or Oklahoma City for all we know).
In either case, we have to act for when the witch hunt gets underway."
....and a witch hunt it was. I feel under the circumstances and being who we were, we did the best we could with the abilities we had. Only ALEX PLANK had the ability to ban Will or turn him in to the authorities and he kept silent when he should have taken action.
The experience has changed me forever. I was at least "coming out of my shell" a bit more, at least online and now, it's everything I can do to force myself to speak to others online, I mostly lurk. I doubt myself alot and my advice & can't help but feel responsible even though in my heart I really doubt we could have changed Will's mind on his suicide - I just wish we could have prevented others from being killed.
I believe the wrong medications and parents/doctors not listening to Will when he tried to let them know that he was taking something that wasn't working was the ultimate reason things went so terribly wrong. He had decided on suicide long before he came to WrongPlanet, I believe. He just hadn't worked out the time or the details, yet.
So, I'm sure you have your own feelings on what should have, would have, could have been. It's been years since this tragic day but still I think of what could have happened, what we could have done that could have changed the course of history for these poor people and one very troubled young man. All ALEX PLANK could think of with a sort of Sick-Enjoyment, was how many people would visit WrongPlanet after this tragic event. I will forever remember this about Alex.
Thanks for posting all this, Monastic.
Your insight is very valuable. I feel bad that this horrible experience drove you back into your shell.
:plus:
I agree with Pyraxis about putting this in the Re-posted forum too.
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Talking about it all after keeping it to myself, has a bit of a healing effect though. I suppose it's in my nature to always be monastic. It doesn't mean I don't care for many of the people I've met online, such as you Callaway and so many others. At I2, I find it very hard to argue or fight though... even when it's in jest, it drains me emotionally for some reason but I enjoy reading it.
To the Powers that Be: Please do keep a copy of what I compiled. Someone should, so we won't forget. I kept it because I was afraid that Alex would delete it all. I don't know if he has or not but it needed to be kept so history won't repeat itself.
I feel as if I have left a whole generation of autistics behind for Alex to toy with. I feel terrible that some of the younger ones know of no place other than wrong planet to go to.
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Talking about it all after keeping it to myself, has a bit of a healing effect though. I suppose it's in my nature to always be monastic. It doesn't mean I don't care for many of the people I've met online, such as you Callaway and so many others. At I2, I find it very hard to argue or fight though... even when it's in jest, it drains me emotionally for some reason but I enjoy reading it.
To the Powers that Be: Please do keep a copy of what I compiled. Someone should, so we won't forget. I kept it because I was afraid that Alex would delete it all. I don't know if he has or not but it needed to be kept so history won't repeat itself.
I feel as if I have left a whole generation of autistics behind for Alex to toy with. I feel terrible that some of the younger ones know of no place other than wrong planet to go to.
You can't take responsibility for other people's choices. Oh btw, :plus: for doing this! Sooner or later the "vultures will come home to roost" in wp, you've done the best you could. Be at peace with that. Don't take that guilt on your own shoulders.
Peace
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<snipped>
Thanks for posting all this, Monastic.
:hair:
Don't quote the whole damned thing! :laugh:
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:lol: Yeah. Boy I don't talk forever and then I explode with words Heheh.
Thanks Oz. You're right, of course. Still I think and re-think and over-think. . .
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<snipped>
Thanks for posting all this, Monastic.
:hair:
Don't quote the whole damned thing! :laugh:
QFT
:D
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Do I win the Award for the Longest Posting? :1st: I Can Haz Badge?
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<snipped>
Thanks for posting all this, Monastic.
:hair:
Don't quote the whole damned thing! :laugh:
What's even worse, I quoted "the whole damned thing" in the Member's Choice Awards as well, because I hope that this brilliance never gets lost.
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?topic=7868.0
:D
Do I win the Award for the Longest Posting? :1st: I Can Haz Badge?
:cheer:
:1st:
:congrats:
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Fuckin hell... someone read all of that?
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Fuckin hell... someone read all of that?
What?
Reading is a problem?
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Fuckin hell... someone read all of that?
I read every single word of that.
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It wouldn't be such a problem, except that it has such poor formatting.
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can someone please highlight the intresting parts in the longest post ever. :P :laugh:
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can someone please highlight the intresting parts in the longest post ever. :P :laugh:
You have short attention span too?
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Do I win the Award for the Longest Posting? :1st: I Can Haz Badge?
you can certainly has badge. 8)
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can someone please highlight the intresting parts in the longest post ever. :P :laugh:
You have short attention span too?
is it fucking midnight were you live yet?
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Do I win the Award for the Longest Posting? :1st: I Can Haz Badge?
Not quite sure, I think that "honor" goes to atomikpsicko, BUT, that was pure gibberish by a non member. Monastic's post was a REAL post by a REAL member. So it gets the longest LEGITIMATE post award! :thumbup: :indeed:
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i guess it was just one of those "you had to have been there moments :(
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can someone please highlight the intresting parts in the longest post ever. :P :laugh:
I will try to summarize it:
Will Freund wrote a suicidal post on WP on October 4, 2005:
Buhaha Useing the info from on the bust stop, also known as ash and Geo Stones Book I have found a simple and painless way to kill myself!All Im asking Before I do this, and threaten many websites.
Things Id like to have
Free money, Trouble getting jobs,and even in and out cant afford my expensive tastes, im a compulsive buyer now since theres nothing to do, I finish things to quickly.
Instant Friends
Ive always been a caregiver and A Volunteer But nobody wants to be my friend or after a conversation its so ackward I would say the average person lasts 3 days.Never had a friend my entire life and have no one on my cell phone besides my parents...had my cellphone since I was 16,I am 19 now.
My own residence with help getting cheap medication
Cant afford to live on my own,but having some place to live away from my onvercontroling abusive dad will be a positive to my life.
I absolutly hate anomity , but at the same time hate talking to people,anxiety.
I dont know im gona see where this goes its a dumb idea, im sure alot of people have tried it, thus this is why ytou dont see it
There had been lots of people just before then writing "suicidal posts" just to troll, so some people answered like they thought that Will Freund was trolling, saying things like "knock yourself out."
Monastic was very concerned that Will Freund was seriously suicidal, as were several moderators, so they thought that people should not be responding like that to Will Freund if he was actually suicidal.
She posted this in the Mod forum on WP:
I was worried about a member on WrongPlanet. I addressed this when I wrote this thread on the moderators only forum;
(me, writing to the other moderators)
"I think this thread should be watched carefully;
http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&
I'm not sure if this person is being upfront with a threat of suicide or if it is just another of those goofy "tests" that has been posted lately and then is said to be "all in the name of fun & games"
For ________ to tell them to knock themselves out is truly inappropriate I feel (even as a joke) but what I feel is inappropriate is not usually what the majority feels so I thought I'd ask all of you.
(at this time I had just been challenged and called names for making a call on a post that I thought was inappropriate for the general forum. I felt the post should be moved to a mature forum and there was opposition regarding this action)
I went on to say;
I don't think suicide scares are something to be treated lightly (or to be done as a joke, for that matter). If someone follows through with suicide, it could backfire on WP to be seen as a site where members replied to the victim, "knock yourself out...lol""
(At the time, I didn't realize how prophetic this post would become)
They had a long discussion about it.
Will Freund made more posts that sounded suicidal, Monastic was trying to talk to him by PM and several moderators were trying everything that they could think of to figure out who Will Freund was and how to get him some help IRL, but Alex Plank did nothing until after Will Freund killed a neighbor and himself, then he seemed primarily interested in milking the publicity.
Some people were angry at the moderators, saying that they should have done more, but they did the best they could at the time with what they had:
On October 30th, one of the administrators posted this in the mods only forum;
"a heads up, people:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6849
if this is willfreund, we need to keep an eye on the thread, to see how people respond - feelings might run high, especially confusion, shock, maybe even guilt (have had to deal with stuff like this before). with any luck, it won't happen, but just in case.
and we need to be absolutely clear that no-one here is in any way accountable or responsible for anything which has happened. any feelings of "if only i'd/we'd done x..." are normal, but there isn't anything anyone could have done to prevent this."
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One Admin. wrote;
"OK,
I am guessing that this is Willfreund1 for a couple of reasons. One, the story is true. I verified it with the LA Times. Two, his IP links had oc in them. It could mean either Orange County (or Oklahoma City for all we know).
In either case, we have to act for when the witch hunt gets underway."
....and a witch hunt it was. I feel under the circumstances and being who we were, we did the best we could with the abilities we had. Only ALEX PLANK had the ability to ban Will or turn him in to the authorities and he kept silent when he should have taken action.
The experience has changed me forever. I was at least "coming out of my shell" a bit more, at least online and now, it's everything I can do to force myself to speak to others online, I mostly lurk. I doubt myself alot and my advice & can't help but feel responsible even though in my heart I really doubt we could have changed Will's mind on his suicide - I just wish we could have prevented others from being killed.
I believe the wrong medications and parents/doctors not listening to Will when he tried to let them know that he was taking something that wasn't working was the ultimate reason things went so terribly wrong. He had decided on suicide long before he came to WrongPlanet, I believe. He just hadn't worked out the time or the details, yet.
So, I'm sure you have your own feelings on what should have, would have, could have been. It's been years since this tragic day but still I think of what could have happened, what we could have done that could have changed the course of history for these poor people and one very troubled young man. All ALEX PLANK could think of with a sort of Sick-Enjoyment, was how many people would visit WrongPlanet after this tragic event. I will forever remember this about Alex.
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Fuckin hell... someone read all of that?
I read most of it.
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I think I heard about him when I first joined WP. I can remember WP got sued because they failed to report it. The article about the place being sued was on AFF and I reposted the link on WP and there was a discussion there as well and the link was removed from my message and I was baffled by it when I saw it wasn't there but now I know it was removed by one of the mods.
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my stuff used to suspiciously disappear as well
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Thanks Callaway for the summary. My wee mind sometimes has problems with organized thought. Especially when it comes to emotionally charged subjects.
I forget that everyone doesn't think in such a jumbled up sort of way. I'm glad that you could put it in a better format so that others could understand what went on. :dankesh:
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Thanks Callaway for the summary. My wee mind sometimes has problems with organized thought. Especially when it comes to emotionally charged subjects.
I forget that everyone doesn't think in such a jumbled up sort of way. I'm glad that you could put it in a better format so that others could understand what went on. :dankesh:
Thanks, Monastic.
I tried to summarize it, but that is not something that I'm really good at doing. IRL, it takes me an hour to summarize a two hour movie.
Did I leave anything out that should be there?
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Perfect, just the way you have it.
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Thanks Callaway for the summary.
:plus:
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Why does WP attract such childish aspies? That "knock yourself out" and the vicious, cold talk of IP banning him are just symptoms of the sickness of that place.
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and yet they claim to be a support site
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They banned one of my sockpuppets after I posted a suicide threat.
There was no way they could have known it was me.
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i was really depressed once and made a thread in the haven. i said the word "shit" or something, and I got a warning PM from mrmark, asking me to change it lol
He even sent warning PMs to sophie, while she was still a mod
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I covered the entire site with profanity and quaterfag kept asking me to edit it. I gave him :finger: and never got banned for it. And the profanity is still there :laugh:.
The instant I challenged alex for taking advantage of people, that's when I got banned.
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the other rules don't mean that much to them
they enforce them if and when they feel like it, and that changes depending on the person who's actually breaking them
the one "rule" you can guarantee will always be enforced, is the 'no anti-alex' posts
even when what you're saying is true, it's still not allowed
and the bastard goes about getting it delete really sneakily, so as to make it look like he doesn't mind, but subtly making sure his mods will get rid of it
it's so fucking obvious though
i don't know whether it's funny, worrying or both
people are completely oblivious
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I think alex plank is a great, wise man.
I hate karma.
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I think alex plank is a great, wise man.
I hate karma.
I think that we will have to agree to disagree about Alex, Vodzy.
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sarcasm, Callaway, sarcasm. :pizza:
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He is a narcissistic prick who likes yellow shoes
And wants to be more famous than bob hope
He uses his web site (wrong planet) to try and achieve this
(very unsuccessfully) :finger:
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But he is successful, that's part of the problem. If he was a putz with an inactive backwater forum, nobody would give a damn.
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sarcasm, Callaway, sarcasm. :pizza:
:asthing:
:-*
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:eyelash:
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you scored AS points!
alex is a twat
people don't like him because he's a lying, selfish bastard who uses people's deaths, pain and suffering to improve his own image and make blood money out of it
fuck him
fuck him majorly
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you scored AS points!
alex is a twat
people don't like him because he's a lying, selfish bastard who uses people's deaths, pain and suffering to improve his own image and make blood money out of it
fuck him
fuck him majorly
No, don't do that, he might like that, even if calandale does it.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Alex asked Amy and Gareth to get rid of the thread about WP being sued because it's not there anymore either. But he sure left this thread I posted:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt20161.html
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Hate's such a strong word, especially for Alex. I simply don't give a fuck about him.
Funny, as that appears to be all you have posted about since joining.
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How about this: Alex has let his celebrity go to his head.
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Hate's such a strong word, especially for Alex. I simply don't give a fuck about him.
Funny, as that appears to be all you have posted about since joining.
(http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/3/8/6/7/pot-kettle.jpg)
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Hate's such a strong word, especially for Alex. I simply don't give a fuck about him.
Funny, as that appears to be all you have posted about since joining.
(http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/3/8/6/7/pot-kettle.jpg)
... I see what you did there
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Hate's such a strong word, especially for Alex. I simply don't give a fuck about him.
Funny, as that appears to be all you have posted about since joining.
(http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/3/8/6/7/pot-kettle.jpg)
Are you implying that I have posted about Alex Plank over 6000 times?
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I was giving you shit, referencing your recent callout.
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I don't hate Alex Plank because I've never been on WrongPlanet, don't know him and will probably never meet him. So he's not an issue in my life.
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coz he's a knob! :arrr:
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I think he looks a little bit like Tintin :laugh:
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:LMAO: omfg you're right hahaha!
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I wouuld like to know the simple fact of why people say "the simple fact"
facts cannot be simple
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Simple is relative.
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and truth isnt ;)
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Why the eye roll? Didn't imply such.
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Lol. Sneaky girl.
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I hit the wrong smile, was hoping you didnt see that. :D I mean this ;)
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That's okay. Don't think truth is relative anyway. :laugh:
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I'm curious to know what makes this "Alex Plank" a bad guy...
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I'm curious to know what makes this "Alex Plank" a bad guy...
everything possible! he kills kittens and eats babys. he burns orphanages to the grownd and rapes and pillages the ruins. but most of all, hes just an asshole!
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I'm curious to know what makes this "Alex Plank" a bad guy...
* He's in it all for the money and fame, and honestly doesn't really care all the much about the Autism Community. Look at the disrepair WP and Aspie Affection is in and you'll see how he treats old 'projects' that yields no further personal gain for him.
* He attempts to enforce a TOS on WP that out to steal intellect property from user's posts, but in reality, the TOS is NOT Legally binding as it contravenes certain laws and it contradicts itself, and thus can be dismissed in court.
* He read other people's PM via exploiting back-end software tools to spy on his moderators back in 2006.
* He abused his ex-girlfriend Katie and deleted all traces of her post talking about it on WP to cover it up. It's funny because he deleted the entire thread instead of just finding the damning content.
* Right now, he's cashing in on his new friendship with Autism Speaks with his Autism Talk TV.
* In the future, WP may fall into Autism Speaks hands as Alex solicits more lackeys from them like John Scott Holman. The financial temptation will see to that.
So yeah, he's a bad guy.
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Alex intentions are quite questionable as mentioned by Ren Hoek(consider that we are talking about a guy that made a member that had been on wp less than a month a moderator because he was trying to sleep with her).
The way he runs Aspie Affection/Wrong Planet is giving a bad rep to both places and he doesnt care about that
Could go on but dont feel like doing so.
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I'm curious to know what makes this "Alex Plank" a bad guy...
'Cos he's ginger. :tickle:
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I'm curious to know what makes this "Alex Plank" a bad guy...
'Cos he's ginger. :tickle:
Cookie Monsta - Ginger Pubes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTCHhyxAi94#)
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:lol:
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I used to have an old computer that made noises like that. I had to throw it away. :(
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I used to have an old computer that made noises like that. I had to throw it away. :(
It's a shame you threw it away. You could have jumped on the scenewagon. Don't you know all the cool bands use old nintendos and computers to make music ? And they are mixing it with death metal, too. There is a music scene and it is alive. If it makes you want to kill yourself is up to you.
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actually I should clarify, that was really more dubstep. This is the nintendo death metal. It is far superior in both quality and obscurity in every way. It's all based on old chiptunes.
I Shot The duck Hunt Dog - Small Pill Bad Ghost, Big Pill Dead Ghost (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yVF5-CooI#)
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That's not death metal. This is death metal.
Nader Sadek - Mechanic Idolatry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlKmQV9TJhw#)
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I'm curious to know what makes this "Alex Plank" a bad guy...
He wears yellow shoes and I think he stole my maple sugar candy
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actually I should clarify, that was really more dubstep. This is the nintendo death metal. It is far superior in both quality and obscurity in every way. It's all based on old chiptunes.
I Shot The duck Hunt Dog - Small Pill Bad Ghost, Big Pill Dead Ghost (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yVF5-CooI#)
I kind of like that actually. :laugh:
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I'm curious to know what makes this "Alex Plank" a bad guy...
He wears yellow shoes and I think he stole my maple sugar candy
Thieving of maple sugar candy is heinous! Time to call the authorities! :police:
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I know of a few things worse then that... There was rumors on AFF that there is no control of the Mods on WP whatsoever...
Then again.... thats all I know :(
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I know of a few things worse then that... There was rumors on AFF that there is no control of the Mods on WP whatsoever...
Then again.... thats all I know :(
As a member that was a made a mod at the same time as me stated on our first pm exchange after we both became mods"it doesn't help that WP is basically a kingdom, and with the king absent so much of the time i think it is tough to know how he wants things one. he's had so many run-ins with the past moderators that i am certain i already know what my future is going to look like!!! "
Alex doesnt have a clue about what either of us are doing and he cares very little about it as long as there arent any huge issues.
Just so you have an idea I just made a comment on wp community about how AFF was a better place because the admins were doing the best to keeo in touch with the members, understand what changes are they asking for... unlike other places and my comment was deleted by alex within an hour and he replied that members are still signing up every day(when my original message was about how people were going to get tired of a badly administrated board and move to AFF/places with better moderation) while I was at it I just mentioned that every current/past mod complains about his lack of involvement in the site, not knowing what he wants until its too late ... after he deleted my first posts. we shall see how he replies to that one
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Sounds like a plan for the end of a forum. Plank sounds like he's in it for the money!
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Sounds like a plan for the end of a forum. Plank sounds like he's in it for the money!
If you go digging through threads here, Callaway dug up some posts from another forum where Plank claimed to have made over $100,000 a year off of WP.
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Sounds like a plan for the end of a forum. Plank sounds like he's in it for the money!
If you go digging through threads here, Callaway dug up some posts from another forum where Plank claimed to have made over $100,000 a year off of WP.
Thats disgusting...........but, I suppose it's the norm for Plank-ton! :hahaha:
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Sounds like a plan for the end of a forum. Plank sounds like he's in it for the money!
If you go digging through threads here, Callaway dug up some posts from another forum where Plank claimed to have made over $100,000 a year off of WP.
And the IRS hasn't asked questions? Because it doesn't take $100,000 a year to run a website of WP's size I would think. I suppose he could consider deductions on the fact he uses the money to promote the website and do all that travelling, publicity, etc, but still.
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If he's paying his taxes, there's no reason for the irs to question. Surely he's paying his taxes.
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If he's paying his taxes, there's no reason for the irs to question. Surely he's paying his taxes.
I'm thinking on the lines of him running WP as a non-profit organisation and he's obliged that all the money must end up into WP. If he's profiteering off any of the donations, that would be considered tax fraud I think.
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Wp isn't non-profit.
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Wp isn't non-profit.
Well it doesn't exactly make him look like a philanthropist now doesn't it? :zoinks:
I mean running an Autism support community on a for-profit business model.
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Sounds like a plan for the end of a forum. Plank sounds like he's in it for the money!
What makes you think that :zoinks:?.
In all seriousness one of my comments he deleted was about him being in it for the money and autism speaks funding his videos.
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Sounds like a plan for the end of a forum. Plank sounds like he's in it for the money!
What makes you think that :zoinks:?.
In all seriousness one of my comments he deleted was about him being in it for the money and autism speaks funding his videos.
heh, you hit too close to the truth to his liking. Usually when you're not guilty of it, you don't delete allegations, you defend against them in a calm reasonable matter.
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Wp isn't non-profit.
Well it doesn't exactly make him look like a philanthropist now doesn't it? :zoinks:
I mean running an Autism support community on a for-profit business model.
Seriously, if I owned WP registering it as a NFP would be the first thing I'd do (so people can get tax deductions for donating for one, sorry me accountant :nerdy:).
That still wouldn't stop Alex from paying himself a little "wage" every now and then or reimbursing his expenses from the trust account.
But just...imagine the great helpful things that could be done with the surplus income!
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Wp isn't non-profit.
Well it doesn't exactly make him look like a philanthropist now doesn't it? :zoinks:
I mean running an Autism support community on a for-profit business model.
Have no idea how much money he's really making, but if it's six figure, then have to say it makes him look lucky, considering he started the site as a teen as a way to meet other autististics.
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Wp isn't non-profit.
Well it doesn't exactly make him look like a philanthropist now doesn't it? :zoinks:
I mean running an Autism support community on a for-profit business model.
Have no idea how much money he's really making, but if it's six figure, then have to say it makes him look lucky, considering he started the site as a teen as a way to meet other autististics.
That 6 figure ammount could very well just be Alex boasting, but he did in fact, post it.
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Wp isn't non-profit.
Well it doesn't exactly make him look like a philanthropist now doesn't it? :zoinks:
I mean running an Autism support community on a for-profit business model.
Have no idea how much money he's really making, but if it's six figure, then have to say it makes him look lucky, considering he started the site as a teen as a way to meet other autististics.
That 6 figure ammount could very well just be Alex boasting, but he did in fact, post it.
Yes, does sound maybe inflated. Don't think many members donate on a regular basis, though not really sure how ad revenue works.
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If he makes that much money, he should not accept donations from individuals.
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Never agreed with the donation thing at all; don't think wp costs that much to keep online. Once saw him campaign for donations and thought it horrible because so many of the members there are young and/or unemployed.
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In all fairness, his maintenance costs are probably pretty high because of the traffic volume. Not six figures, of course, but he probably needs a dedicated server.
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Sounds like a plan for the end of a forum. Plank sounds like he's in it for the money!
If you go digging through threads here, Callaway dug up some posts from another forum where Plank claimed to have made over $100,000 a year off of WP.
It was Alex's Myspace profile (http://www.myspace.com/alexplank) where he claimed to make between $100,000 and $150, 000 per year from his "web ventures" but he changed his profile and removed that information after I commented on it:
http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,6858.msg309428.html#msg309428 (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,6858.msg309428.html#msg309428)
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In all fairness, his maintenance costs are probably pretty high because of the traffic volume. Not six figures, of course, but he probably needs a dedicated server.
Would having advertisements on WP help towards paying maintenance costs? There are a lot of ads on WP.
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We need ads to make it profitable for I2 :cbc:
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Wait I for forgot my disclaimer it is a joke
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Good because was about to call you out.
also a joke
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Good because was about to call you out.
also a joke
Ha ha ha.
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In all fairness, his maintenance costs are probably pretty high because of the traffic volume. Not six figures, of course, but he probably needs a dedicated server.
Would having advertisements on WP help towards paying maintenance costs? There are a lot of ads on WP.
Yes they would. Maybe I spoke too soon.
I don't know what he pays but it is bound to be a lot more than what I pay here.
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We need ads to make it profitable for I2 :cbc:
No we don't. I don't want a profit. It's not something I want or need.
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Wait I for forgot my disclaimer it is a joke
:plus:
AS mode right now.
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I´d like to know why people hate him too.
I mean its not like he made a member that had been there for a week a mod or he gave a writer position to someone that was causing trouble elsewhere for their lies(giving them access to the mod section while he was at it) and he is now expecting moderators to deal with a drama that didnt happen there because he still refuses to show up.
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I´d like to know why people hate him too.
I mean its not like he made a member that had been there for a week a mod or he gave a writer position to someone that was causing trouble elsewhere for their lies(giving them access to the mod section while he was at it) and he is now expecting moderators to deal with a drama that didnt happen there because he still refuses to show up.
Honestly? Don't you know anything about the history of the board you moderate?
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I´d like to know why people hate him too.
I mean its not like he made a member that had been there for a week a mod or he gave a writer position to someone that was causing trouble elsewhere for their lies(giving them access to the mod section while he was at it) and he is now expecting moderators to deal with a drama that didnt happen there because he still refuses to show up.
Honestly? Don't you know anything about the history of the board you moderate?
I was trying to make a joke. He has done all those things and probably things that are far worse but I still have to catch up with.
I should have added a smiley but I was too tired to think about that at the moment.
Sorry for the inconvinience.
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I think I made an AS thing. :asthing:
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I'm getting the feeling that this issue goes back a long ways.
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I'm getting the feeling that this issue goes back a long ways.
I think she shit started within a couple of months after WP was created.
Thge original admin/moderation team that included Dunc and Vetivert (Lucifer here and at Dunc's Drivel) didn't like dealing with Plank and started talking about it in PM's.
Plank started reading the PM's of his moderation staff adn that got found out. It all went downhill from there.
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I'm getting the feeling that this issue goes back a long ways.
I think she shit started within a couple of months after WP was created.
Thge original admin/moderation team that included Dunc and Vetivert (Lucifer here and at Dunc's Drivel) didn't like dealing with Plank and started talking about it in PM's.
Plank started reading the PM's of his moderation staff adn that got found out. It all went downhill from there.
Interesting. Well, I went back there and found a bunch of pm's in my inbox requesting money and offering me millions and then a few that "wanted" to send me pic's and be "closer friends." ::)
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I'm getting the feeling that this issue goes back a long ways.
I think she shit started within a couple of months after WP was created.
Thge original admin/moderation team that included Dunc and Vetivert (Lucifer here and at Dunc's Drivel) didn't like dealing with Plank and started talking about it in PM's.
Plank started reading the PM's of his moderation staff adn that got found out. It all went downhill from there.
Interesting. Well, I went back there and found a bunch of pm's in my inbox requesting money and offering me millions and then a few that "wanted" to send me pic's and be "closer friends." ::)
Made me curious, so I logged back in for the first time in ages. I never made a single post, never contacted anyone and only ever signed in a few times to view restricted pages.
Got 4 new PMs, all scams. What a wonderful website.
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I'm getting the feeling that this issue goes back a long ways.
I think she shit started within a couple of months after WP was created.
Thge original admin/moderation team that included Dunc and Vetivert (Lucifer here and at Dunc's Drivel) didn't like dealing with Plank and started talking about it in PM's.
Plank started reading the PM's of his moderation staff adn that got found out. It all went downhill from there.
Interesting. Well, I went back there and found a bunch of pm's in my inbox requesting money and offering me millions and then a few that "wanted" to send me pic's and be "closer friends." ::)
Made me curious, so I logged back in for the first time in ages. I never made a single post, never contacted anyone and only ever signed in a few times to view restricted pages.
Got 4 new PMs, all scams. What a wonderful website.
:indeed: I am going to delete my account here and go there and rant and rave about how life is unfair here on I2 and your all bullies.......................... :lolwat: :nurse:
;)
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Can't delete accounts at wp.
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Can't delete accounts at wp.
I was being humorous about deleting my account here and going to wp and being an alex-sycophant there. :autism:
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Okay, now see that; read it wrong. lol.
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:indeed: I am going to delete my account here and go there and rant and rave about how life is unfair here on I2 and your all bullies.......................... :lolwat: :nurse:
;)
:hahaha:
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:'( Don't laugh at me, I'm sensitive!!!
:zombiefuck:
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So am I. ;D
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I don't hate him at all to be honest... I just don't know him that well to hate his character.
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I don't hate him at all to be honest... I just don't know him that well to hate his character.
The more time you spend on WP the more you will see his cuntish behavior.
He's a self-aggrandizing prick who only cares about his image, and how much money he can make off of WP. :grrr:
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Seems honestly reasonable....
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Seems honestly reasonable....
He's fake. He tries to come off as some cool friendly geeky fellow Aspie when he's just a selfish fucktard who's just putting up a show. And it shows through his posts on WP which are mostly about himself and how he hopes to meet Temple Grandin. He pays no attention to what his fellow members requests, no replies, nothing. He bans without warning when someone actually criticizes him on something. Just about his own ego, that's all.
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Seems honestly reasonable....
And it shows through his posts on WP which are mostly about himself and how he hopes to meet Temple Grandin.
Beat him to it.
(http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16687.0;attach=11903;image)
Suck it, Alex.
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And you could use the same photo and tell people you met Don Imus too :zoinks:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yqwDV6PJbEE/TFuAFPrIumI/AAAAAAAAAic/wxJroocmuYc/s400/imus3.jpg)
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Seems honestly reasonable....
And it shows through his posts on WP which are mostly about himself and how he hopes to meet Temple Grandin.
Beat him to it.
(http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16687.0;attach=11903;image)
Suck it, Alex.
(http://www.dailyconsciousness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/76383-drunksouls-07102010-1300.jpg)
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He got me all hard. Even let me finger his ass. But at the last second he said no.
And no means no.
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So basically he has an "ego-problem"? Correct?
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:vibe:
So basically he has an "ego-problem"? Correct?
no. He's a cock tease
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Why are you necrobumping threads?
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Why are you necrobumping threads?
Googlebots find them, then I reply because there's not much activity.
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Why are you necrobumping threads?
Googlebots find them, then I reply because there's not much activity.
It's been slow here lately, yes.
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Don't mind it; Pappy makes the site more active.
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Don't mind it; Pappy makes the site more active.
and thats a good thing?
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No such thing as bad publicity there is. :yoda:
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In response to the original thread topic 'because he's a cunt. Or he would be if he A-possessed of warmth, depth and even the slightest conceivable femtomolar concentrations of the most remote, miniscule fraction of a use to humanity'
And because he regularly gets out his microscope so as to be capable of engaging in public masturbation sessions in order to let the world at large (as opposed to his own, the world at fucking minute) know just how important, clever, brave and wonderful he is because he covers the unclefucking syphilitic dicknipples at autism squeaks in his diseased, parasite-laden gobbets of congealed semen.
I bet alex's little micropenis is so small that they retrofitted whats currently the most powerful particle accelerator going, post discovery of the Higg's boson, now its the large hardon collider, slamming right handed matter into an as yet to be discovered for certain, hypothetical micropenis-like particles in order to recreate not conditions immediately before the big bang, but rather, the infinitesimal pathetic squeak.
This experiment, for whatever the fuck point there is to it requires absolutely vast pretensions to power and the ability to measure fairly useless things that exist at scales of one...ahem....plank length.
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Don't mind it; Pappy makes the site more active.
and thats a good thing?
Yes, also think it's good when you post more too.
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Don't mind it; Pappy makes the site more active.
and thats a good thing?
Yes, also think it's good when you post more too.
I see.... Postwhoring Time!!!!!! :GA: :asthing: :headhurts:
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Don't mind it; Pappy makes the site more active.
and thats a good thing?
Yes. It is a good thing.
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Don't mind it; Pappy makes the site more active.
and thats a good thing?
Yes, also think it's good when you post more too.
I see.... Postwhoring Time!!!!!! :GA: :asthing: :headhurts:
(http://www.writingwinters.com/wp-content/uploads/Grumpy_cat_good.jpg)
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Alex who?
Oh, that guy that runs WP. He so seldom shows his presence on his own site that we forget he exists a lot of the time. Maybe that's a blessing in disguise :thumbup:
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Alex who?
Oh, that guy that runs WP. He so seldom shows his presence on his own site that we forget he exists a lot of the time. Maybe that's a blessing in disguise :thumbup:
How so?
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Well, people complain that he's not there enough fixing things, but maybe it's also good that he's not there so we don't have to deal with him.
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Probably for better or for worse. :-/
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Well, people complain that he's not there enough fixing things, but maybe it's also good that he's not there so we don't have to deal with him.
:indeed:
It's a choice between horse shit and dog shit. :jaded:
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Well, people complain that he's not there enough fixing things, but maybe it's also good that he's not there so we don't have to deal with him.
:indeed:
It's a choice between horse shit and dog shit. :jaded:
My dad went to the horse farm the other day to get Horse Shit for fertilizing the garden.
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Well, people complain that he's not there enough fixing things, but maybe it's also good that he's not there so we don't have to deal with him.
:indeed:
It's a choice between horse shit and dog shit. :jaded:
Which alternative is which?
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Alex who?
Oh, that guy that runs WP. He so seldom shows his presence on his own site that we forget he exists a lot of the time. Maybe that's a blessing in disguise :thumbup:
Welcome back.
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Well, people complain that he's not there enough fixing things, but maybe it's also good that he's not there so we don't have to deal with him.
:indeed:
It's a choice between horse shit and dog shit. :jaded:
My dad went to the horse farm the other day to get Horse Shit for fertilizing the garden.
Dog shit smells worse than horse shit, when having it under your shoes.
Pig shit under a shoe beats both horse shit and dog shit.
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Nah, plank is the third option, raghead shit. A stinking, diseased, maggot-infested pile of feculent reeking paki shite, who needs to drink bleach, and die of gonorrhea.
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well then...I'm a bit too lazy to 'hate' anyone I just leave them to their own idiocy and I do think that speaks for itself more then anything I can type or say...his on line actions and or otherwise just talk for themselves frankly...no through put or thought just would give me a headache if I cared...sadly (or not) I don't :asthing:
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well then...I'm a bit too lazy to 'hate' anyone I just leave them to their own idiocy and I do think that speaks for itself more then anything I can type or say...his on line actions and or otherwise just talk for themselves frankly...no through put or thought just would give me a headache if I cared...sadly (or not) I don't :asthing:
I would also like to post here to make certain everyone is aware how little I care. :zoinks:
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well then...I'm a bit too lazy to 'hate' anyone I just leave them to their own idiocy and I do think that speaks for itself more then anything I can type or say...his on line actions and or otherwise just talk for themselves frankly...no through put or thought just would give me a headache if I cared...sadly (or not) I don't :asthing:
I would also like to post here to make certain everyone is aware how little I care. :zoinks:
You are just too cute and funny for your own good aren't you? :yarly: this made me giggle thanks for the :lol1:
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I like you already!! :GA:
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I like you already!! :GA:
aww, thanks likewise :laugh:
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I like you already!! :GA:
Awwww....