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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Scrapheap on November 01, 2007, 04:58:42 PM
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Paul Tibbets, who was the pilot of the Enola Gay (named after his mother) that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, died today in his home in Columbus Ohio.
He insisted that there be no service, and no headstone fearing that it would become a site of protest.
He inssted to his death, that dropping the bomb was the right thing to do.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21578185/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21578185/)
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I saw that not that many WW2 vets around any more some but fewer every year :'( He lived a long life and saw many things in his 92 years. I know my uncle was thankful for what he did because Japan was his next stop in his island hopping tour around the Pacific
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I saw that not that many WW2 vets around any more some but fewer every year :'(
Yeah, I wonder why that is. I don't know ANY WWI or ACW vets.
I guess war isn't good for people.
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Fucking people. Can you imagine what would've happened if we'd waited until Japan developed the bomb as well?
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I saw that not that many WW2 vets around any more some but fewer every year :'(
Yeah, I wonder why that is. I don't know ANY WWI or ACW vets.
I guess war isn't good for people.
Yes war is bad for people but not knowing how bad it really is is even worse
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Fucking people. Can you imagine what would've happened if we'd waited until Japan developed the bomb as well?
Yes all out nuclear war a lot of us probably would not be here today
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Oh come on. Japan was prostrate.
The only need for the bomb was
to end things more quickly - to keep
the USSR from getting too many
spoils.
Probably kept more Japanese alive
to have dropped it, than if we had
simply waited them out.
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Oh come on. Japan was prostrate.
The only need for the bomb was
to end things more quickly - to keep
the USSR from getting too many
spoils.
That's what people say. But if that's true, why didn't they surrender after the first bombing, if they were that ready? Why not after the second?
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No proof that we had more.
We got lucky, in a sense.
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Meh. I don't buy it. If they were ready to surrender, they wouldn't have used that "lack of proof" as a reason to not do so. What proof did they have that we DIDN'T have more?
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It was a complex political situation.
The people in charge COULDN'T
surrender, without losing face.
And, I'm not saying that they would
have toppled in any quick period of time.
Just that a long term siege would have
worked. The Soviets would've invaded though.
Thus, the options were a US invasion, or
the bombs, OR accepting the surrender
which had been tendered.
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But I'm not seeing how this makes the prospective outcome of both us and them having the bomb any less scary.
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But I'm not seeing how this makes the prospective outcome of both us and them having the bomb any less scary.
Where do you get the idea that Japan was
going to develop the bomb? Or the means
to deliver it? Their navy was destroyed. The
airforce, damned near so.
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Well, that was an informative response.
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Gah.
You're trying to confuse me by pointing out irrelevant information. What would the status of Japan's army or navy have to do with the development of the bomb? OUR military had nothing to do with the Manhattan project, as far as I'm aware. And are you insinuating that Japan wouldn't have been able to drop it even if they had it? Come on. The Enola Gay was one plane.
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Sure, they could drop one. On China.
They bombed the US mainland TWICE, so far as
I remember. Both submarine based planes, unable
to carry the necessary payload. And the subs were
pretty much destroyed by late war.
But, do you have
ANY reason to believe that they were close to
developing a bomb? Certes, I don't remember
ever hearing anything along those lines, so it
must have been a recent revelation.
There was some fear about Germany, but they
never were as close as was thought.
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I know it's wiki but
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_atomic_program
they where working on it even if they could not have gotten it here China perhapts
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Sure, they could drop one. On China.
They bombed the US mainland TWICE, so far as
I remember. Both submarine based planes, unable
to carry the necessary payload. And the subs were
pretty much destroyed by late war.
But, do you have
ANY reason to believe that they were close to
developing a bomb? Certes, I don't remember
ever hearing anything along those lines, so it
must have been a recent revelation.
There was some fear about Germany, but they
never were as close as was thought.
To be honest, I took it as read. It just seems like common sense. I don't really know much about WWII history, but maybe I'll read something soon.
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The Japanese didn't make a lot of technical advances,
once the war was underway (with the US). They
played with some weird ideas (armored carriers,
for example), but nothing really innovative.
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They did a lot of germ warfare experiments even during the war. Many of the scientists involved in these were not tried for war crimes as they should have but where brought in to our military to develop it for use against the Soviets
Sure, they could drop one. On China.
people in China are still people they could have also used them in attacks on our navy
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They did a lot of germ warfare experiments even during the war. Many of the scientists involved in these were not tried for war crimes as they should have but where brought in to our military to develop it for use against the Soviets
I remember reading about that. I think it was a pretty famous general was was responsible for it, but I can't remember who. He took the results and just let the guy off scot free.
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They did a lot of germ warfare experiments even during the war. Many of the scientists involved in these were not tried for war crimes as they should have but where brought in to our military to develop it for use against the Soviets
I remember reading about that. I think it was a pretty famous general was was responsible for it, but I can't remember who. He took the results and just let the guy off scot free.
We even employed some of the scientists
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I think it might have been MacArthur who pardoned him.
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MacArthur was pretty much in charge of the whole show so even if it wasn't him he approved it or it would not have happened
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people in China are still people they could have also used them in attacks on our navy
Yeah, but we weren't all that worried about the
Chinese dying. We were worried about them
falling. Which wouldn't have happened at that
late date. As to the navy, such an attack would
be pathetic. Sure, one bomb might fuck up a number
of ships, but it wouldn't change much.
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One bomb in that area when they were invading Okinawa would have been a serious setback as the ships were packed pretty close because of the suicide attacks for defense. I am pretty sure if invading the main island it would have been the same.
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One bomb in that area when they were invading Okinawa would have been a serious setback as the ships were packed pretty close because of the suicide attacks for defense. I am pretty sure if invading the main island it would have been the same.
Yeah. A bomb could prevent an invasion site.
But, I'm sure that like D-Day, the plan would
have hit several locations at once. Presuming
that such would happen - the US estimate was
1000000 losses in such an attempt. :-\ THAT'S
why we used the bomb.
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And that is why I got to meet my uncles who could very well have been one of those million as an other that would have been my uncles met his fate in Normandy
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Stationed in the pacific?
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Two of them were I also had an aunt who was engaged to someone who died in the Normandy invasion
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My family seems mostly untouched by that war.
Though, one great uncle wrote stuff for
Mussolini.
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My mother had family in Munich also but they made it through(at least the ones they knew) and her family sent them care packages after the war