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Title: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Oil Investor on June 11, 2007, 01:56:57 PM
Investors are in it to win it. Speculators are hare-brained Johnny-come-latelies, who'll jump ship as soon as shares dip or who "Sell, sell, sell!" after the first few rises. But I know - based on my astute cerebral machinations - that oil is here to stay and that, therefore, investing in it is absolutely a one stop road to profit. Why would I tell you? I mean, I'd want all the profit for myself, right? Wrong. See, I believe in oil. I don't just know I'll make money out of it, I like it! 'Cause I know it's the best thing God put on this planet!

Global warming excites me -- it creates so many economic opportunities. Larger crop yields in previously poor-performing Northern European agricultural sectors, etc. Revival of British tourist industry. Job creation through opportunites of the cleaning up of climate disasters. Eradication of poverty is what drives my love affair with petroleum. Tackling climate change does and will harm the world's poorest who depend on deforestation and farming with chemicals in order to make money through selling land and through higher crop yields. So if you're wise you'll do the same as me and invest in oil. Get in there quick 'cause soon Iraq's parliament will have passed legislation to enable private companies to start digging in what might be the world's more fruitful oil reserves and oh yeah, you betcha, I got plenty of shares in ExxonMobil. Always back a winner.

Don't rule out PetroChina or SinoPec though. Operating a duopoly in China, they both pose a significant threat to dominant American and European oil companies. Have a good day and make your riches and be merry!
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: El on June 11, 2007, 01:59:14 PM
Whose sock puppet are you, good sir?
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: RobertN on June 11, 2007, 02:00:18 PM
Just ignore the stupid capitalists - selfish bastards! :finger:
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: purposefulinsanity on June 11, 2007, 02:11:20 PM
 :yawn: Smelly socks.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: duncvis on June 11, 2007, 02:13:31 PM
Trollopoly, anyone?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Carlb-sockpuppet-02.jpg)
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: RobertN on June 11, 2007, 02:14:30 PM
:yawn: Smelly socks.

And big cocks... :green:
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Oil Investor on June 11, 2007, 02:26:07 PM
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Just ignore the stupid capitalists - selfish bastards!  :finger:

So I guess Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro et al. weren't selfish at all? I suppose no class structure operated in their society? And it was all just capitalist government and media sources making up out of thin air the gross human rights abuses of anyone who opposed the ruling parties of communist states?

I'd rather invest in capitalism than belive in socialism - a proven failure. It doesn't make sense to play the same old broken record when you know it's not a tune people want to listen to. The fact is capitalism helps people out of poverty just as much as socialism. Americans always had a better standard of life than citizens of China and Russia and that's because they embraced the free market.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: purposefulinsanity on June 11, 2007, 02:28:33 PM
You not going to post an introduction Oil Investor?
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 11, 2007, 02:38:22 PM
you know, PI, i was just thinking...

WE know what to do with socks, don't we?  (after we've knitted them, i mean).  ;)  sounds about right for this waste of oxygen.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Oil Investor on June 11, 2007, 02:41:05 PM
Yes, why not. Forgive me, my social skills lack polish what with my having spent too much time in my Cotswold retreat of late. The name's Jonathan Greggor. Born on the 4th of August, 1957 I've had a long and varied career in many of the UK's top companies. Despite lacking the communicative finesse necessary in the networking world of business, I nonetheless worked my way up to the boardroom through sheer hard work and lateral thinking. I'm retired now and with more time on my hands have found little to do except keep track with my investments. I recently realised upon reflection that I would prefer to lead a more social life and so talked to my doctor about it who diagnosed me with Asperger's Syndrome.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: RobertN on June 11, 2007, 02:50:10 PM
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Just ignore the stupid capitalists - selfish bastards!  :finger:

So I guess Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro et al. weren't selfish at all? I suppose no class structure operated in their society? And it was all just capitalist government and media sources making up out of thin air the gross human rights abuses of anyone who opposed the ruling parties of communist states?

I'd rather invest in capitalism than belive in socialism - a proven failure. It doesn't make sense to play the same old broken record when you know it's not a tune people want to listen to. The fact is capitalism helps people out of poverty just as much as socialism. Americans always had a better standard of life than citizens of China and Russia and that's because they embraced the free market.

 ::)

Taken straight out of an Ayn Rand textbook, no doubt. You free market fuckwits are all the same. Just the same regurgitated shite time and time again. The only reason you lot are still in power is because you control the media, control the army, and control the electoral processes. You stand for democracy - my arse! :finger: Its only your lies and deceit that keep the current world order the way it is. People want change, and its not the sort of change that you aspire to. Sure - Stalin was a tosser, but so are you, and so is Bush. The endless pursuit of profit at the expense of everything else is what is destroying this world. You may not realise it, but the average person in an ex-communist country is now poorer than they were in 1980, thanks to the oligarchs stealing what used to be public property. 

We are at the boom of capitalism at the moment, but the Earth's resources are finite. Soon, the bust will come... :wanker:
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Eclair on June 11, 2007, 03:00:39 PM
You not going to post an introduction Oil Investor?
Will he cope with an Ask Away thread?
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: purposefulinsanity on June 11, 2007, 03:01:43 PM
You not going to post an introduction Oil Investor?
Will he cope with an Ask Away thread?

 :laugh:  You never know.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Eclair on June 11, 2007, 03:02:43 PM
You not going to post an introduction Oil Investor?
Will he cope with an Ask Away thread?

 :laugh:  You never know.
Some good names for it come to mind!
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 11, 2007, 03:03:48 PM
indeed, but they might not be suitable for small children.  ;)
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: purposefulinsanity on June 11, 2007, 03:03:56 PM
You not going to post an introduction Oil Investor?
Will he cope with an Ask Away thread?

 :laugh:  You never know.
Some good names for it come to mind!

You should start one for him then-  although perhaps we should wait a few days in case we scare him off.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 11, 2007, 03:04:46 PM
perhaps we should wait a few days in case we scare him off.  :laugh:

which would be a crying shame, obviously.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: purposefulinsanity on June 11, 2007, 03:04:58 PM
you know, PI, i was just thinking...

WE know what to do with socks, don't we?  (after we've knitted them, i mean).  ;)  sounds about right for this waste of oxygen.

Wear them?? Or send them away to another country like I do (might be the better choice). :laugh:
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 11, 2007, 03:14:50 PM
er,no - i was thinking more along the lines of wanking into them.  not me, personally, you understand, but i'm nostalgic for those days on WP in the chatroom, remember?   :laugh:
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: purposefulinsanity on June 11, 2007, 03:19:51 PM
er,no - i was thinking more along the lines of wanking into them.  not me, personally, you understand, but i'm nostalgic for those days on WP in the chatroom, remember?   :laugh:

I wouldn't waste hand knitted socks by allowing someone to crust them up like that.   They can make do with ones from poundland.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 11, 2007, 03:24:36 PM
depends what you knit them out of - i've heard of stuff made from barbed wire before now...  ;)

(i think).
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: odeon on June 11, 2007, 06:02:10 PM
Where are your manners, people?

Welcome to Intensity, Oil Investor. I feel it's only fair to warn you--quite a few of us worry about this global warming thing, so if you feel the need to post further on how you plan to gain from other people's misfortunes, you'll most likely find yourself flamed to the Kuiper belt and back using alternative, non-hazardous, 100% environment-friendly energy sources.

And I mean this in the nicest possible way.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: McGiver on June 11, 2007, 06:33:25 PM
i for one, like this poster.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Callaway on June 11, 2007, 08:34:51 PM
Investors are in it to win it. Speculators are hare-brained Johnny-come-latelies, who'll jump ship as soon as shares dip or who "Sell, sell, sell!" after the first few rises. But I know - based on my astute cerebral machinations - that oil is here to stay and that, therefore, investing in it is absolutely a one stop road to profit. Why would I tell you? I mean, I'd want all the profit for myself, right? Wrong. See, I believe in oil. I don't just know I'll make money out of it, I like it! 'Cause I know it's the best thing God put on this planet!


How do you figure that "oil is here to stay and that, therefore, investing in it is absolutely a one stop road to profit," Oil Investor?

Isn't there just a finite amount of oil and isn't there a huge demand for it?  What happens to your investment when the oil supplies that are relatively inexpensive to recover run out?

Welcome to Intensity.  I think it is good to see another point of view represented here.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Teejay on June 11, 2007, 08:48:05 PM
Investors are in it to win it. Speculators are hare-brained Johnny-come-latelies, who'll jump ship as soon as shares dip or who "Sell, sell, sell!" after the first few rises. But I know - based on my astute cerebral machinations - that oil is here to stay and that, therefore, investing in it is absolutely a one stop road to profit. Why would I tell you? I mean, I'd want all the profit for myself, right? Wrong. See, I believe in oil. I don't just know I'll make money out of it, I like it! 'Cause I know it's the best thing God put on this planet!

Global warming excites me -- it creates so many economic opportunities. Larger crop yields in previously poor-performing Northern European agricultural sectors, etc. Revival of British tourist industry. Job creation through opportunites of the cleaning up of climate disasters. Eradication of poverty is what drives my love affair with petroleum. Tackling climate change does and will harm the world's poorest who depend on deforestation and farming with chemicals in order to make money through selling land and through higher crop yields. So if you're wise you'll do the same as me and invest in oil. Get in there quick 'cause soon Iraq's parliament will have passed legislation to enable private companies to start digging in what might be the world's more fruitful oil reserves and oh yeah, you betcha, I got plenty of shares in ExxonMobil. Always back a winner.

Don't you realize a rise in global temperatures is going to decrease drastically Australian (which is a major wheat exporter), Western North American and Southern European agricultural productivity, because they will get drier. Which will cancel out rises in agricultural productivity in Northern Europe, Russia and Canada. Plus a lot of low lying places (anywhere below say few meters above sea level will be flooded in the following centuries as West Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets melt).

That is with a temperature increase of 2C, which would put the earth's temperature at warmest level in 2 million years. Which is at the lowest projections for the Earth's temperature.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 11, 2007, 11:50:20 PM
Where are your manners, people?

in the box marked "reserved for those who deserve them," right at this present moment.  :P
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: odeon on June 12, 2007, 12:48:45 AM
Where are your manners, people?

in the box marked "reserved for those who deserve them," right at this present moment.  :P

So if we are to welcome this guy, we need to think outside the box? :P
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2007, 01:07:27 AM
oh, very droll.  no, cos this particular box is only for manners - i thought that was reasonably explicit, oh dull one.  :P
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: odeon on June 12, 2007, 01:09:20 AM
oh, very droll.  no, cos this particular box is only for manners - i thought that was reasonably explicit, oh dull one.  :P

What? A fellow can't do bad puns now? ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2007, 01:09:59 AM
no, cos bad puns are so terribly unattractive.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: SovaNu on June 12, 2007, 01:28:34 AM
out with the fiend!!!!!!!!!! oil is eeevil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Calandale on June 12, 2007, 02:09:25 AM
Not olive oil.  :-\
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: SovaNu on June 12, 2007, 04:09:57 AM
yeah i like olive oil too.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: duncvis on June 12, 2007, 05:15:27 AM
So did Popeye. Ag ag ag ag ag ag!
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Oil Investor on June 12, 2007, 05:22:52 AM
Investors are in it to win it. Speculators are hare-brained Johnny-come-latelies, who'll jump ship as soon as shares dip or who "Sell, sell, sell!" after the first few rises. But I know - based on my astute cerebral machinations - that oil is here to stay and that, therefore, investing in it is absolutely a one stop road to profit. Why would I tell you? I mean, I'd want all the profit for myself, right? Wrong. See, I believe in oil. I don't just know I'll make money out of it, I like it! 'Cause I know it's the best thing God put on this planet!


How do you figure that "oil is here to stay and that, therefore, investing in it is absolutely a one stop road to profit," Oil Investor?

Isn't there just a finite amount of oil and isn't there a huge demand for it?  What happens to your investment when the oil supplies that are relatively inexpensive to recover run out?

Welcome to Intensity.  I think it is good to see another point of view represented here.

Easily solved. We start making smaller cars. Already being done in France. Peugeots, Citroens and Renaults are all reducing engine sizes drastically and improving energy efficiency. The trend will continue and thus oil will last longer.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Oil Investor on June 12, 2007, 05:25:15 AM
Investors are in it to win it. Speculators are hare-brained Johnny-come-latelies, who'll jump ship as soon as shares dip or who "Sell, sell, sell!" after the first few rises. But I know - based on my astute cerebral machinations - that oil is here to stay and that, therefore, investing in it is absolutely a one stop road to profit. Why would I tell you? I mean, I'd want all the profit for myself, right? Wrong. See, I believe in oil. I don't just know I'll make money out of it, I like it! 'Cause I know it's the best thing God put on this planet!

Global warming excites me -- it creates so many economic opportunities. Larger crop yields in previously poor-performing Northern European agricultural sectors, etc. Revival of British tourist industry. Job creation through opportunites of the cleaning up of climate disasters. Eradication of poverty is what drives my love affair with petroleum. Tackling climate change does and will harm the world's poorest who depend on deforestation and farming with chemicals in order to make money through selling land and through higher crop yields. So if you're wise you'll do the same as me and invest in oil. Get in there quick 'cause soon Iraq's parliament will have passed legislation to enable private companies to start digging in what might be the world's more fruitful oil reserves and oh yeah, you betcha, I got plenty of shares in ExxonMobil. Always back a winner.

Don't you realize a rise in global temperatures is going to decrease drastically Australian (which is a major wheat exporter), Western North American and Southern European agricultural productivity, because they will get drier. Which will cancel out rises in agricultural productivity in Northern Europe, Russia and Canada. Plus a lot of low lying places (anywhere below say few meters above sea level will be flooded in the following centuries as West Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets melt).

That is with a temperature increase of 2C, which would put the earth's temperature at warmest level in 2 million years. Which is at the lowest projections for the Earth's temperature.

Innovative technology will prevent the fallout from global warming in Australia, North American, Southern European and African agriculture.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2007, 05:27:51 AM
why not try using cars less altogether?  that'd cut oil usage right down.

all this talk about recycling, and buying more environmentally friendly stuff - how about not buying it in the first place, cos you don't need it anyway?  remember, children: 

Reduce
Re-use
Recycle.

in that order.

i thank you.  :-*

 :angel:
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Oil Investor on June 12, 2007, 05:31:30 AM
I'd never give up my automobile. Anyone who would in my opinion doesn't understand freedom. You can't be free if you aren't able to go where you want, when you want without the government regulating your every move.

Public transport, cycling, walking etc. are all strenuous exercises easily controlled by an autocratic big government. To maintain the rights of citizens and to stop government oppression we must defend our motor cars at all costs.

Smaller government, less taxes, cheaper fuel, more houses! Live how you want to live.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: duncvis on June 12, 2007, 06:13:35 AM
I suppose the idea of people freely pooling their resources (e.g. car/minibus sharing, community run transport initiatives, the now defunct bike scheme in Amsterdam) to cut down on usage/waste would be anathema to you also, or you would consider that somehow unfree? Pretty much as selfish, amoral shitbags gloating at making money off others' exploitation makes my stomach churn.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Teejay on June 12, 2007, 06:30:34 AM

Innovative technology will prevent the fallout from global warming in Australia, North American, Southern European and African agriculture.

Actually I would think Sub-Saharan Africa would get wetter with a warmer climate, higher sea surface temperatures, stronger summer monsoons. Thus increasing agricultural productivity. The regions I described are in the areas where the rains come in winter, the more north or south these rain bearing winds move.

There are limits to technology overcoming problems like a climate getting drier. In many of these areas extra irrigation might not be an option because there will be competition between urban and rural water users for limited water supplies.


Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Eclair on June 12, 2007, 02:44:23 PM
I'd never give up my automobile. Anyone who would in my opinion doesn't understand freedom. You can't be free if you aren't able to go where you want, when you want without the government regulating your every move.

Public transport, cycling, walking etc. are all strenuous exercises easily controlled by an autocratic big government. To maintain the rights of citizens and to stop government oppression we must defend our motor cars at all costs.

Smaller government, less taxes, cheaper fuel, more houses! Live how you want to live.
Roads are controlled by the government too.
I don't get your point there.  And walking?  Controlled by the Government?
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: odeon on June 12, 2007, 03:00:24 PM
You'd better run since they control walking. ::)
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Calandale on June 12, 2007, 03:07:17 PM
You'd better run since they control walking. ::)

No, that's strenuous. The only safety is in your registered
automobile, with your license, so that the government
can't control you.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2007, 03:09:06 PM
how about hopping?  or limbo?
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Calandale on June 12, 2007, 03:09:55 PM
Skating might be okay.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: odeon on June 12, 2007, 03:11:07 PM
I suspect skating is also controlled by the government.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2007, 03:12:47 PM
well, then there's nothing for it - we''l have to do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jDCxtC-yPw
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Calandale on June 12, 2007, 03:19:10 PM
Proof that walking IS regulated.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Eclair on June 12, 2007, 03:30:01 PM
You'd better run since they control walking. ::)

No, that's strenuous. The only safety is in your registered
automobile, with your license
, so that the government
can't control you.
Maybe oil man just means you need to buy a big hummer, so that you don't need roads and can hide out in the scrub with your semi automatic. 
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Calandale on June 12, 2007, 03:42:23 PM
You'd better run since they control walking. ::)

No, that's strenuous. The only safety is in your registered
automobile, with your license
, so that the government
can't control you.
Maybe oil man just means you need to buy a big hummer, so that you don't need roads and can hide out in the scrub with your semi automatic. 


After capturing some little girls to drink your piss?
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2007, 03:44:55 PM
uh oh...
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Calandale on June 12, 2007, 03:47:00 PM
Luckily, the internet is free enough
from the Frankenstein Computer God,
that one might never know - though
a traceroute MIGHT work.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: odeon on June 12, 2007, 04:05:28 PM
It doesn't.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: purposefulinsanity on June 12, 2007, 04:53:58 PM
I'd never give up my automobile. Anyone who would in my opinion doesn't understand freedom. You can't be free if you aren't able to go where you want, when you want without the government regulating your every move.

Public transport, cycling, walking etc. are all strenuous exercises easily controlled by an autocratic big government. To maintain the rights of citizens and to stop government oppression we must defend our motor cars at all costs.

Smaller government, less taxes, cheaper fuel, more houses! Live how you want to live.
Roads are controlled by the government too.
I don't get your point there.  And walking?  Controlled by the Government?

Didn't you know we all have chips installed that the government can remotely activate exploding our knee caps if we walk where they don't want us to?
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Calandale on June 12, 2007, 04:54:54 PM
I'd never give up my automobile. Anyone who would in my opinion doesn't understand freedom. You can't be free if you aren't able to go where you want, when you want without the government regulating your every move.

Public transport, cycling, walking etc. are all strenuous exercises easily controlled by an autocratic big government. To maintain the rights of citizens and to stop government oppression we must defend our motor cars at all costs.

Smaller government, less taxes, cheaper fuel, more houses! Live how you want to live.
Roads are controlled by the government too.
I don't get your point there.  And walking?  Controlled by the Government?

Didn't you know we all have chips installed that the government can remotely activate exploding our knee caps if we walk where they don't want us to?

But luckily, the cheap material which cars are made
of deflects the signal. That's why I drive to the
bathroom.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: purposefulinsanity on June 12, 2007, 05:00:09 PM
:LMAO:   :plus: for making me laugh twice in the past 10 minutes.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Leto729 on June 13, 2007, 06:30:59 PM
out with the fiend!!!!!!!!!! oil is eeevil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oil is not evil We (humans) have made it evil.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Leto729 on June 13, 2007, 06:42:19 PM
why not try using cars less altogether?  that'd cut oil usage right down.

all this talk about recycling, and buying more environmentally friendly stuff - how about not buying it in the first place, cos you don't need it anyway?  remember, children: 

Reduce
Re-use
Recycle.

in that order.

i thank you.  :-*

 :angel:
Even Our computers today use more energy because of programing in them millions and billions and world wide trillions of watts. Some companies like Microsoft and a few others are trying to make them more energy efficient and it can and will be done in the end.  The Oil in the ground is not evil it what We do with it and how We use it that makes it evil.

Welcome Oil Intvestor to Intensity.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2007, 01:44:22 AM
out with the fiend!!!!!!!!!! oil is eeevil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oil is not evil We (humans) have made it evil.

excellent point, kevv.  :plus:   :clap:
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Calandale on June 14, 2007, 01:45:36 AM
Jeeze, next you'll be against 'oil control'
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: odeon on June 14, 2007, 02:39:29 AM
Oil say, isn't it time for ending this with some bad puns?
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: Calandale on June 14, 2007, 02:41:17 AM
Just so there's nothing crude.
Title: Re: The Politics of Oil
Post by: SovaNu on June 14, 2007, 11:44:01 AM
out with the fiend!!!!!!!!!! oil is eeevil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oil is not evil We (humans) have made it evil.

more like people evilly take it out of the earth and it's not healthy. we should use solar energy. oil is not evil but is being used unnessesarily and the earth needs it more than we. but saying all that i didn't feel like.