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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Peter on May 05, 2007, 04:16:24 PM
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For the first time in 50 years, the Labour party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Labour_Party) has lost power in Scotland, and been superseded by the Scottish National Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party) (no relation to the British National Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party)), by a margin of one seat. One of the stated aims of the Scottish National Party is Scottish independence, and they could push for a referendum on the matter, however public opinion is only for a stronger Scottish parliament, and not for full independence. Analysts are predicting a power-sharing coalition between the Scottish National Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party), the Scottish Liberal Democrats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Liberal_Democrats) and the Scottish Green Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Green_Party) to form a majority government.
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Also, what election is complete without some nutter trashing the polling station with that most Scottish of weapons, the golf club: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/6622105.stm
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I knew the spirit of William Wallace was alive and well!! :arrr: :arrr: :arrr: :arrr: :arrr:
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Only if the spirit of William Wallace is Buckfast...
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is this good? are they going to legalize drugs now? :P
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I doubt that.
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negative nelly.
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Drugs are only for those free enough from the tyranny
of the state. If one doesn't have the will to resist the
encroachments of the monster, they should simply lead
their subject lives as the lemmings that they are.
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Drugs are only for those free enough from the tyranny
of the state. If one doesn't have the will to resist the
encroachments of the monster, they should simply lead
their subject lives as the lemmings that they are.
It's cowardly to obey drug laws. I don't. 8)
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rich people are free from tyranny. they can bribe doctors.
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rich people are free from tyranny. they can bribe doctors.
So can cheap sluts.
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like paris hilton?
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rich people are free from tyranny. they can bribe doctors.
I'm not rich. I fool my doctors. Or, in my psych's case, I actually think I scare him, since one of my obsessions is bomb making. 8)
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like paris hilton?
She's rich too though. Hard to tell how she gets her drugs.
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/me is deliberately ignoring the off-topic commentary.
So, Peter, what do you think? Do you prefer an independent Scotland?
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/me is deliberately ignoring the off-topic commentary.
So, Peter, what do you think? Do you prefer an independent Scotland?
I think it would be good for Scots to control their own country, but I'm not so sure about the economics of it. Scotland has lot of very deprived areas and a lot of people on benefits, and may be subsidised by England, so a split from England could bring economic hardship. Also, although we have our North Sea oil coming in at Aberdeen, it's approaching the end of it's life, and we haven't built up a fund to deal with the oil drying up the same way Norway has.
Ultimately, it could be a good thing, and lead to a renewal of Scottish culture, new economic development and greater prosperity in the long run, but it could be quite a bumpy ride to get there.
The Liberal Democrats oppose Scottish independence, and only want greater powers for the Scottish parliament, so that's forming a bit of a sticking point at the moment in the coalition talks between the SNP, LD and Greens.
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is this good? are they going to legalize drugs now? :P
The elected parties seem to have a focus on rehabilitation and harm reduction, rather than on heavy sentences and zero tolerance, so while they're unlikely to legalise anything, we could see less enforcement of existing drug laws, and money previously spent on enforcement diverted to rehabilitation and harm reduction efforts.
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some of us are too lazy to fool doctors all day long, Lit.
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some of us are too lazy to fool doctors all day long, Lit.
You need anti-lazy pills so that you can get the yummypills.
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Watching the news right now about the results are being questioned. There was a lot that went wrong during the election, and 100,000 ballots were disqualified. Since the SNP majority was only 46 votes, Labour is challenging the result.
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some of us are too lazy to fool doctors all day long, Lit.
You need anti-lazy pills so that you can get the yummypills.
She needs some speed to trick the doc to get her some valium. ;D
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ironic, eh :P
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What no blood tests? It's harder to fool doctors when you have to give them your blood to get your meds corrected or re-scripted.
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who the heck demands blood tests?
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They won't ever take mine without force.
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What no blood tests? It's harder to fool doctors when you have to give them your blood to get your meds corrected or re-scripted.
No blood tests for that here, except if you're convicted for drug crimes or taken into mental ward.
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who the heck demands blood tests?
I think it is frequently done to protect doctors from malpractice suits at the insistance from their malpractice insurance companies. We pay a good deal to make sure our doctors can't be held liable for their treatments to us. Welcome to the American Dream.
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who the heck demands blood tests?
I think it is frequently done to protect doctors from malpractice suits at the insistance from their malpractice insurance companies. We pay a good deal to make sure our doctors can't be held liable for their treatments to us. Welcome to the American Dream.
Doctors are more or less "untouchables" in Sweden too, despite that we don't have to give blood tests. Authority people and high status people like doctors are seen as very trustworthy, much more than any "ordinary" citizen, in this country, despite the claims of equality in this society.
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people in finland aren't sue-happy like in america, and the doctors are uptight assholes who don't want to give you anything addictive. you have to work hard to get any, it gets tiring. after a few times i just decided to settle for alcohol until i find some ideal situation to get drugs. besides the doctors were starting to think i was somekind of valium addict... ::) and private doctors i went to asked me why i didn't just go see my GP and were really suspicious.
and my mom tried to get some pills here in ireland and the doc said she should just use her natural defense systems or whatever. fucking idiot. mom didn't even ask for anything addictive. ??? what is wrong with these doctors.
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When did you live in Finland? :)
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well i was born there and lived there up until a year ago. :P
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well i was born there and lived there up until a year ago. :P
So you speak Finnish too?
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no i lived there for 2 decades and never learned to speak the language. ::)
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no i lived there for 2 decades and never learned to speak the language. ::)
Wow. Did you take some kind of vow of silence? Or were you living
in a ghetto?
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i lived in a Monk commune where speaking was punishable by death. :P on the eve of my 21 birthday i was about to become a Monkess but a knight on a white horse sailed in and rescued me from a life of verbal poverty.
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Speaking punishable by death; that could have been anywhere in Finland or Sweden for that matter. :-\
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i lived in a Monk commune where speaking was punishable by death. :P on the eve of my 21 birthday i was about to become a Monkess but a knight on a white horse sailed in and rescued me from a life of verbal poverty.
So now, you're making up for lost time!?? ;) :laugh:
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what, do i seem talky to you? :P
Speaking punishable by death; that could have been anywhere in Finland or Sweden for that matter. :-\
lol so true :laugh: though i dunno about sweden, aren't swedes always so damn cheery and social or is that just the finnish swedes?
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what, do i seem talky to you? :P
Speaking punishable by death; that could have been anywhere in Finland or Sweden for that matter. :-\
lol so true :laugh: though i dunno about sweden, aren't swedes always so damn cheery and social or is that just the finnish swedes?
If you fill the Swedes with booze they might be cheery and social.
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that goes for finns too... unless they're the brooding depressed "goes wacky and kills his family" type when they drink... :P
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Are Norwegians and Swedes rivals in Europe as well as here in America ??
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they're buttbuddies.
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You mean odeon & Lit ??
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Are Norwegians and Swedes rivals in Europe as well as here in America ??
Swedes are for Norwegians what Yanks are for Canadians I think. We're their "bigger brothers", which they don't always like...My home province was ceded from Norway to Sweden in 1658, by the way.
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You mean odeon & Lit ??
I just share a county with Odeon. 8)
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You mean odeon & Lit ??
I just share a county with Odeon. 8)
:laugh:+
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Are Norwegians and Swedes rivals in Europe as well as here in America ??
Swedes are for Norwegians what Yanks are for Canadians I think. We're their "bigger brothers", which they don't always like...My home province was ceded from Norway to Sweden in 1658, by the way.
Here in America, especially in states like Minesota and Wisconsin, many Norwegians and Swede's settles there. They formed town around their own ethnicity and developed rivalries with neighboring towns.
I dated a girl from that area who was Norwegian. She said she couldn't get out of he car in a Swedish town without the risk of getting beaten up for being in the 'wrong' town.
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Are Norwegians and Swedes rivals in Europe as well as here in America ??
Swedes are for Norwegians what Yanks are for Canadians I think. We're their "bigger brothers", which they don't always like...My home province was ceded from Norway to Sweden in 1658, by the way.
Here in America, especially in states like Minesota and Wisconsin, many Norwegians and Swede's settles there. They formed town around their own ethnicity and developed rivalries with neighboring towns.
I dated a girl from that area who was Norwegian. She said she couldn't get out of he car in a Swedish town without the risk of getting beaten up for being in the 'wrong' town.
Funny. They seem to hold grudges from the old days, that are forgotten here in Europe. The only day at the year that I would be afraid to be in Norway as a Swede would be on Syttende mai, 17 May, their national day. That's the only time when they might be really anti-Swedish.
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You mean odeon & Lit ??
I just share a county with Odeon. 8)
What about all that other stuff we shared? :'(
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You mean odeon & Lit ??
I just share a county with Odeon. 8)
What about all that other stuff we shared? :'(
Shhh, that's a secret! :-X
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beg to differ. Canada is big brother for the US. the US is this immature little brat and Canada the mature grown up one.
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Are Norwegians and Swedes rivals in Europe as well as here in America ??
Swedes are for Norwegians what Yanks are for Canadians I think. We're their "bigger brothers", which they don't always like...My home province was ceded from Norway to Sweden in 1658, by the way.
Here in America, especially in states like Minesota and Wisconsin, many Norwegians and Swede's settles there. They formed town around their own ethnicity and developed rivalries with neighboring towns.
I dated a girl from that area who was Norwegian. She said she couldn't get out of he car in a Swedish town without the risk of getting beaten up for being in the 'wrong' town.
Funny. They seem to hold grudges from the old days, that are forgotten here in Europe. The only day at the year that I would be afraid to be in Norway as a Swede would be on Syttende mai, 17 May, their national day. That's the only time when they might be really anti-Swedish.
--Or if Norway and Sweden ever have to face each other in the World Cup, and Sweden winds up winning on a technicality, or referee error.
For the record, I lived in Eastern North Dakota when I was a kid, and the Ethnic situation was pretty much Norwegian, Swedish,Danish with a few Finns, Poles, and Ashkenazi Jews. There were no ethnic tensions there whatsoever. --Everybody was properly Scandinavian and culturally speaking, they were completely boring.
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but never in the finals. they both suck too badly.
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but never in the finals. they both suck too badly.
Sweden could get as close as the semi-finals but that's about it. And not with the current team.
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The thing about anti-Swedish feelings on the Norwegian national day, is that their constituition was written on 17 May 1814, but that they were forced into a 91 year long union with Sweden that year, after a 400 year long forced union with Denmark. But, of course, we lost Norway too, in the end, just like we lost Finland and the Baltic provinces. :(
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Get over it, Lit.
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Are Norwegians and Swedes rivals in Europe as well as here in America ??
Swedes are for Norwegians what Yanks are for Canadians I think. We're their "bigger brothers", which they don't always like...My home province was ceded from Norway to Sweden in 1658, by the way.
Yeah, but Sweden owned Norway. We never succeeded in our attempts
to take canadia.
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Are Norwegians and Swedes rivals in Europe as well as here in America ??
Swedes are for Norwegians what Yanks are for Canadians I think. We're their "bigger brothers", which they don't always like...My home province was ceded from Norway to Sweden in 1658, by the way.
Yeah, but Sweden owned Norway. We never succeeded in our attempts
to take canadia.
Are you trying to imply that theres a country in North America NORTH of the U.S.?? Surely you jest.
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No. And stop calling me surely.
Crap, that just doesn't work in writing.
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Are Norwegians and Swedes rivals in Europe as well as here in America ??
Swedes are for Norwegians what Yanks are for Canadians I think. We're their "bigger brothers", which they don't always like...My home province was ceded from Norway to Sweden in 1658, by the way.
Yeah, but Sweden owned Norway. We never succeeded in our attempts
to take canadia.
But you never ceded anything to any country, except some small parts of the Louisiana territory to Canada, and then Canada at the same time ceded territories to the US. You also ceded some very tiny piece of land to Mexico in 1970. Sweden had an Empire, stretching almost all the way around the Baltic, which we lost, and after taking Norway as kind of compensation for the loss of Finland, they finally got their independence without war in 1905. Sweden is so thoroughly pawned. I think that's the reason we're cowards. :-\
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but i remember back in high school when sweden was an all state quarterback. he was soo cool, all the chicks wanted him.
now he is a used car salesman, twice divorced, bald and fat.
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Are Norwegians and Swedes rivals in Europe as well as here in America ??
Swedes are for Norwegians what Yanks are for Canadians I think. We're their "bigger brothers", which they don't always like...My home province was ceded from Norway to Sweden in 1658, by the way.
Yeah, but Sweden owned Norway. We never succeeded in our attempts
to take canadia.
But you never ceded anything to any country, except some small parts of the Louisiana territory to Canada, and then Canada at the same time ceded territories to the US. You also ceded some very tiny piece of land to Mexico in 1970. Sweden had an Empire, stretching almost all the way around the Baltic, which we lost, and after taking Norway as kind of compensation for the loss of Finland, they finally got their independence without war in 1905. Sweden is so thoroughly pawned. I think that's the reason we're cowards. :-\
Panama Canal, Cuba, Japan, etc. We take stuff first, then give it back.
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Are Norwegians and Swedes rivals in Europe as well as here in America ??
Swedes are for Norwegians what Yanks are for Canadians I think. We're their "bigger brothers", which they don't always like...My home province was ceded from Norway to Sweden in 1658, by the way.
Yeah, but Sweden owned Norway. We never succeeded in our attempts
to take canadia.
But you never ceded anything to any country, except some small parts of the Louisiana territory to Canada, and then Canada at the same time ceded territories to the US. You also ceded some very tiny piece of land to Mexico in 1970. Sweden had an Empire, stretching almost all the way around the Baltic, which we lost, and after taking Norway as kind of compensation for the loss of Finland, they finally got their independence without war in 1905. Sweden is so thoroughly pawned. I think that's the reason we're cowards. :-\
Panama Canal, Cuba, Japan, etc. We take stuff first, then give it back.
Yes, but you gave it back, you didn't have to cede it. That's the difference.
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... and that, somehow makes us evil, though.
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... and that, somehow makes us evil, though.
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I don't think so. But many commie scums, especially in my country would say that you are. In the leftist Swedish media, everything America does is always wrong.
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This is how much Sweden sucks, even as a state and military power:
The Swedish Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Empire) in 1658. Today's Sweden is orange-red.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Sweden_in_1658.PNG)
This was what was considered Sweden Proper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Proper); the Baltic provinces were possesions but not parts of Sweden itself.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Map_swedish_lands.png)
Through the so called Great Northern War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_War) or "Greater Wrath", a 21 year(!) long war with Russia, Denmark-Norway, Poland-Sachsony and other powers, Sweden lost all it's Baltic possesions and parts of Carelia. A few small parts of northern Germany remained Swedish until 1814. In 1741, just 20 years after the Greater Wrath, Sweden started a badly planned war against Russia and lost even more of Finland to Russia in 1743; the so called Lesser Wrath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Wrath). All fortresses that had been built in the meantime were ceded to Russia as a consequence of the Lesser Wrath.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Altfinnland.png)
Then, in 1808, the more or less insane King Gustav IV Adolf managed to get into war with Denmark-Norway, Napoleonic France and Russia at the same time!
(http://www.multi.fi/~goranfri/stratmap.gif)
The result: the Russo-Swedish war of 1808-09 (http://www.multi.fi/~goranfri/index.html)
AT THE END OF 1807 and the beginning of 1808, the Swedish government ignored all reports of the massive maneuvres at the Russian border. The Swedish ambassador in St. Petersburg sent reports home to Stockholm and expressed his concern as the Russian armies were marching up. Nothing was done on the Swedish side. Without declaring war on Sweden, Russian troops crossed the border to Finland on February 21, 1808. This sunday, the Swedish major Gustav Arnkihl, of the Nyland dragoons - who was posted at the border - signed a report to the brigade command. "...That the Russians have crossed the border at 5 o'clock today, with a considerable force... it is also reported that they have crossed at Abborfors and also that they have gone over at Korois with Cossacks and pointed their march in our direction." The future of the 700-years old union between Sweden and Finland hung in balance as the Final War had begun.
Through the Treaty of Fredrikshamn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Fredrikshamn) on September 17, 1809, Sweden forever lost Finland and even genuinly ethnical Swedish territories, like the Ã…land Islands. The only advantage was that the border wasn't drawn even further to the south than the Russians wanted, but it was nevertheless drawn by the wrong river (of course); the Torne River instead of the Kemi River.
As kind of compensation for the loss of Finland, Sweden got help from other powers to force Denmark to cede Norway to Sweden, the Union Sweden-Norway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden-Norway). This was probably Sweden's last triumph ever as a military power. But less than 100 years later, Sweden cowardly let Norway leave the Union peacefully. And of course, like the losers we were and are: The Norwegian possessions of Faroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland remained with Denmark.
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... and that, somehow makes us evil, though.
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I don't think so. But many commie scums, especially in my country would say that you are. In the leftist Swedish media, everything America does is always wrong.
every body is just jealous.
it boils down to insecurities.
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Don't believe everything Lit says. His views are absolute when it comes to what he regards as the cowardly Swedes. There's no middle ground when he's in the rant mode.
The truth is usually more nuanced. And it certainly is, in this case, just as it is with the former Swedish empire.
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Aaahhh, what? Should I be wrong or partish in any way? Gangster Computer God Communist brainwash propaganda! :o :arrr: :tantrum:
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I do have some heroes that are Swedish, though. Like King Karl XII and General von Döbeln (http://www.multi.fi/~goranfri/biodobeln.html).
And when the Russians came through the first line, Döbeln got up on a nearby milestone and shouted to them: "Run to hell, you lousy! And receive your reward! Here I stand and shall fall! Here you see my monument!".
A man. Not a coward. That's especially the right sort of language to use against Russians. 8)
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Aaahhh, what? Should I be wrong or partish in any way?
In a word? Yes.
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thanks for the history lesson lit... not that i agree that it was a bad thing finland got its independence. :P
so it was like russia pwnd finland first and then sweden? and then finland was like yo sweden, catcha later :wanker: and sweden cried.
i spaced out in school muchly but i'm pretty sure that's how it went.
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1. The Tsar openly declared at his court in 1807 that Finland from now on was to consider part of the Russian Empire.
2. The stupid, naïve, cowardly Swedish government got constant warnings from among others their Ambassador in St. Petersburg, that there was a Russian attack coming to capture Finland.
3. The stupid, naïve, cowardly Swedish government totally ignored the reports.
4. At 5 AM, 21 February 1808, the Russian army invaded Finland.
5. The stupid government and the insane King Gustav IV Adolf did almost nothing to stop the invasion at first, and when they did, the efforts were all too small. The King even for some absurd reason denied the Brits, who were Sweden's allies, to send troops to Finland to help Sweden!
6. The Swedish-Finnish regular troops and even civilians actually fought the invasion as good as they could, but they didn't get reinforcements enough to have the slightest chance to fight the intruders. There even was a Swedish Captain Malm wo actually managed to push the Russians back over the border and invade Russian Karelia(!), but to what point when he couldn't get reinforcements to hold his positions?
7. In early 1809, most of Finland was occupied by Russia and Russian troops were invading the Swedish mainland and were even near to reach Stockholm. The high officers than finally had had enough and dethroned the King, but it was too late to win the war.
8. In August 1809, the Swedish army made some final poor attempts to fight back the Russians occupying northern Sweden, to get a better position for peace negotiations, but again, thanks to lack of reinforcement and enthusiasm, it failed.
9. At the peace negotiations the Swedes behaved cowardly (of course) and made clear to the Russians that they wanted peace at almost any price.
10. The result was the Treaty of Fredrikshamn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Fredrikshamn) of September 17, 1809, where all of Finland, the totally Swedish populated Ã…land Islands and parts of northern Sweden were lost forever.
I don't agree with Wikipedia that it was a beneficial treaty more than that the border wasn't drawn even more to the south than it was.
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Lit, do you teach history or something?? You'd make a good teacher I bet.
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I was the best at my entire high school at history, according to my history teacher, but I haven't been a history teacher myself, though. :(
Gustav IV Adolf actually thought that Napoleon literally was Antichrist and that he, Gustav Adolf, was a new Karl XII. Here's a picture of the King posing in Karl XII:s uniform for Field Marshal Toll, Count Piper and General Lagerbring. As you can see, they look a bit confused. ::)
A picture of the burning Moscow in 1812 as a little comfort in the misery. >:D
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Lit, do you teach history or something?? You'd make a good teacher I bet.
"And that, children, is why Swedes are a bunch of pathetic pussies who deserve to get raped by every other country that would have them."
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Lit, do you teach history or something?? You'd make a good teacher I bet.
"And that, children, is why Swedes are a bunch of pathetic pussies who deserve to get raped by every other country that would have them."
:flamer: :laugh:
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The worst thing is that that is true. :(
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The worst thing is that that is true. :(
You should redeem yourself and invade Finland then. :arrr: :arrr: :arrr:
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The thing with the King dressing in the uniform of Karl is actually a true story, and he had the high gentlemen helping him to take the uniform on(!) It was a great honour in those days to help a King to dress himself. The great Swedish-Finnish poet Runeberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Ludvig_Runeberg) has ridiculed the farce in a famous poem:
"You, Piper, will help Us to get on one of his gloves;
you, Lagerbring, treat the other one the same way thus.
Field-Marshal Toll, your age and honour make you worth,
to fasten around Our waiste his victorious sword."
::)
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The worst thing is that that is true. :(
You should redeem yourself and invade Finland then. :arrr: :arrr: :arrr:
Yes! And Norway! And Denmark! And the Baltic states! :arrr: :arrr: :arrr:
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Finland would kick Sweden's ass if the Swedes ever tried... >:D
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Finland would kick Sweden's ass if the Swedes ever tried... >:D
And then rape said ass?
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Finland would kick Sweden's ass if the Swedes ever tried... >:D
And then rape said ass?
We'd have to drink some Koskenkorva first, but sure, why not? :green:
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Well that was fun reading. :laugh:
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I was the best at my entire high school at history, according to my history teacher, but I haven't been a history teacher myself, though. :(
Gustav IV Adolf actually thought that Napoleon literally was Antichrist and that he, Gustav Adolf, was a new Karl XII. Here's a picture of the King posing in Karl XII:s uniform for Field Marshal Toll, Count Piper and General Lagerbring. As you can see, they look a bit confused. ::)
A picture of the burning Moscow in 1812 as a little comfort in the misery. >:D
Is Charles XII viewed that well in Sweden? Seems like he more or less ruined the country's power,
and got little or nothing for it. I still think he's great, but not good for the country.
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I was the best at my entire high school at history, according to my history teacher, but I haven't been a history teacher myself, though. :(
Gustav IV Adolf actually thought that Napoleon literally was Antichrist and that he, Gustav Adolf, was a new Karl XII. Here's a picture of the King posing in Karl XII:s uniform for Field Marshal Toll, Count Piper and General Lagerbring. As you can see, they look a bit confused. ::)
A picture of the burning Moscow in 1812 as a little comfort in the misery. >:D
Is Charles XII viewed that well in Sweden? Seems like he more or less ruined the country's power,
and got little or nothing for it. I still think he's great, but not good for the country.
No, he's not that well viewed, not today, but he was at that time, at least among the ruling classes. It's not politically correct to like him either, because not only did he ruin the country in the end, he also attacked other countries after they'd attacked Sweden. In a country where you're considered a schizophrenic idiot among your "peers" if you want to own a gun for self-protection, it of course is utterly wrong to invade Russia, even if Russia invaded Sweden first. Swedes are poor suckers.
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Finland would kick Sweden's ass if the Swedes ever tried... >:D
This is also very true, I believe. :(
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No, he's not that well viewed, not today, but he was at that time, at least among the ruling classes. It's not politically correct to like him either, because not only did he ruin the country in the end, he also attacked other countries after they'd attacked Sweden. In a country where you're considered a schizophrenic idiot among your "peers" if you want to own a gun for self-protection, it of course is utterly wrong to invade Russia, even if Russia invaded Sweden first. Swedes are poor suckers.
Big deal about fighting Russia. It was the fighting in Poland, and the stupidity of
trying for dramatic actions that was ridiculous. Still, one has to admire a brave fool.
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No, he's not that well viewed, not today, but he was at that time, at least among the ruling classes. It's not politically correct to like him either, because not only did he ruin the country in the end, he also attacked other countries after they'd attacked Sweden. In a country where you're considered a schizophrenic idiot among your "peers" if you want to own a gun for self-protection, it of course is utterly wrong to invade Russia, even if Russia invaded Sweden first. Swedes are poor suckers.
Big deal about fighting Russia. It was the fighting in Poland, and the stupidity of
trying for dramatic actions that was ridiculous. Still, one has to admire a brave fool.
What should he have done? Just defended Sweden and then returned back home? Would they've left Sweden alone then? No. And I laugh about the thought that the cowards in charge today would even be able to do anything to stop the disaster.
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Might not have ruined Sweden as a great power,
if he had been less agressive. Trying to instil a new
Polish king is always a mistake. At best, you succeed,
and end up with something worthless.
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The only good thing with Poland is that it was that land that Francis E. Dec's parents came from. ;D
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I always kind of liked the old parliament. Where unanimous
consent was required.
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I always kind of liked the old parliament. Where unanimous
consent was required.
True democracy, at least if the whole people had had representatives there, but making the state weak to outer enemies.
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I always kind of liked the old parliament. Where unanimous
consent was required.
True democracy, at least if the whole people had had representatives there, but making the state weak to outer enemies.
No. Only the important ones did. But it was enough to paralyze the country, and make it
the tasty treat that was fun to eat.
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enough about sweden. i'm locking this thread. 8)
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Runeberg was more finnish. you always try to steal everyone, like the moomin. :P bastards.
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He was Finnish, no question about it, but at the time, the upper class spoke Swedish.
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The upper class was Swedish, since the Swedes conquered the land during the crusades in the 12th and 13th Centuries and the official language was Swedish. Swedish is still an official language in Finland, though less than 10% of the population is Swedish-speaking.
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The upper class was Swedish, since the Swedes conquered the land during the crusades in the 12th and 13th Centuries and the official language was Swedish. Swedish is still an official language in Finland, though less than 10% of the population is Swedish-speaking.
The upper class wasn't Swedish. It was Swedish-speaking. There's a difference. If you really believe Runeberg was Swedish, you should probably read some of his work.
Compare that to the situation in Sweden, when French was the language to speak if you were a noble.
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I have read the whole Fänriks Ståls sägner. I can still quote great parts of it right out of my memory. It's right in my bookshelf, less than two meters away. Yes, they were Swedish-speaking, but usually of Finnish heritage, ethnically speaking. OK, OK.
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:popcorn:
Swedish nerd-off !!!! :jerry: :party: :rock:
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Move on, folks, nothing to see here. Move on. Yes, that means you, popcorn guy!
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Move on, folks, nothing to see here. Move on. Yes, that means you, popcorn guy!
Dammit and I was just considering setting up a refreshment stand.
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finland rules. :asthing:
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finland rules. :asthing:
OK, I'm confused as fuck Milla..... what nationality are you ??
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finland rules. :asthing:
OK, I'm confused as fuck Milla..... what nationality are you ??
She's Finnish, but she moved to Ireland last year.
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The worst thing is that Finland does rule, even over Sweden. :-\
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The worst thing is that Finland does rule, even over Sweden. :-\
I don't find that bad, at all. ;D
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Lit, do you teach history or something?? You'd make a good teacher I bet.
"And that, children, is why Swedes are a bunch of pathetic pussies who deserve to get raped by every other country that would have them."
LOL!
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canada is the bestest.
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canada is the bestest.
No, Canada is to blame for everything. Don't you watch South Park ??
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people there have heads like trashcans.
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canada is the bestest.
No, Canada is to blame for everything. Don't you watch South Park ??
Canada has cowardly gun laws, at least compared with the US.
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canada is the bestest.
No, Canada is to blame for everything. Don't you watch South Park ??
Canada has cowardly gun laws, at least compared with the US.
California and Massachusetts are almost as bad...
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canada is the bestest.
No, Canada is to blame for everything. Don't you watch South Park ??
Canada has cowardly gun laws, at least compared with the US.
California and Massachusetts are almost as bad...
Not compared with most European countries. Vermont and Alaska seem to have the gun laws once intended by the Founding Fathers, though.
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Most of the Mountain states are pretty good too.
For example, in Montana, there are drive through
gun shops!
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Most of the Mountain states are pretty good too.
For example, in Montana, there are drive through
gun shops!
Oh, yes, Montana is good too. If I remember correctly, there is no age limit for the purchase of a gun and the age for shooting with any gun without supervision of an adult is 14! All of that would be unthinkable in most cowardly European countries, especially this cowardly Sweden. :grrr:
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It's all Gustavus' fault, for outlawing
dueling. Thus, began the great slide.
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It's all Gustavus' fault, for outlawing
dueling. Thus, began the great slide.
But Carl Gustav made my 6.5x55 Mauser.... ::)
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It's all Gustavus' fault, for outlawing
dueling. Thus, began the great slide.
No, I think WWI is to blame for most European gun laws. Guns were free here until around 1930.
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It's all Gustavus' fault, for outlawing
dueling. Thus, began the great slide.
But Carl Gustav made my 6.5x55 Mauser.... ::)
No, the Mauser was named after him, not made by him. It's totally absurd that a Carl Gustav Mauser is easier to get legally in a foreign country than in Sweden, by the way. This land is such a shitty joke...
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move.
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whatever is a blue ball of light?
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it's a ball of healing energy.
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it's a ball of healing energy.
alcohol also works.
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alcohol sucks.
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alcohol sucks.
that is why it works.
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valium works and it doesn't suck.
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Different person...I'm sure.
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who
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Wow. I THINK it was a response to this discussion:
It's all Gustavus' fault, for outlawing
dueling. Thus, began the great slide.
But Carl Gustav made my 6.5x55 Mauser.... ::)
No, the Mauser was named after him, not made by him. It's totally absurd that a Carl Gustav Mauser is easier to get legally in a foreign country than in Sweden, by the way. This land is such a shitty joke...
I'm flyin' high.
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Absolut Vodka is both stronger and cheaper abroad than in Sweden itself, by the way. But at least you don't need a cowardly license to buy it like you do with the guns.
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You need a cowardly license here.
I bought alcohol two days ago, and
if I hadn't had a DRIVER'S license,
I wouldn't have been able to get
any.
What kind of idiocy is this? The people
who should be least trusted to drink are
those with driver's licenses.
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You need a cowardly license here.
I bought alcohol two days ago, and
if I hadn't had a DRIVER'S license,
I wouldn't have been able to get
any.
What kind of idiocy is this? The people
who should be least trusted to drink are
those with driver's licenses.
Haha, I need to show my driver's license sometimes to buy booze, and the legal age to buy booze here is 20. I'm 36. ;D
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In some European countries, there actually is no age limit for drinking. In Germany, I think it's 14 to drink alcohol in a bar at least. In Sweden it's 18, though it's 20 to buy booze in a liqour store.
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It's 21 here - but since I took my beard off, I probably look close to that.
I guess it's cool, but a few years ago, I had real troubles (no license) -
trying to get people to accept my birth certificate and other materials
as ID. Even got turned down for tobacco (18 is limit). Luckily, most
of the bars know me now, so I don't have to carry - but I almost got
turned away a couple of months ago.
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/me is deliberately ignoring the off-topic commentary.
So, Peter, what do you think? Do you prefer an independent Scotland?
... (http://www.mediafire.com/?4yjbbmmnjya)
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It's 21 here - but since I took my beard off, I probably look close to that.
I guess it's cool, but a few years ago, I had real troubles (no license) -
trying to get people to accept my birth certificate and other materials
as ID. Even got turned down for tobacco (18 is limit). Luckily, most
of the bars know me now, so I don't have to carry - but I almost got
turned away a couple of months ago.
Hm, you seem to have some cowardly laws in the US as well, in some cases even worse than we have. Tobacco just recently got the age limit of 18, but no one really cares and no one cares if you buy beer with less than 3.6% by weight in a supermarket and are below 18, that is the legal age for that kind of beer.
And it's still legal to watch child pornography here, it just isn't legal to save it on your computer!
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Haha, I need to show my driver's license sometimes to buy booze, and the legal age to buy booze here is 20. I'm 36. ;D
i have a solution to this problem: steal it.
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And it's still legal to watch child pornography here, it just isn't legal to save it on your computer!
How about to produce it?
i have a solution to this problem: steal it.
Or make your own.
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And it's still legal to watch child pornography here, it just isn't legal to save it on your computer!
How about to produce it?
i have a solution to this problem: steal it.
Or make your own.
that'll work.
but you still need the ingredients.
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And it's still legal to watch child pornography here, it just isn't legal to save it on your computer!
How about to produce it?
That's highly illegal. Making your own booze was actually legal in Sweden in periods until 1860. You can still make your own beer and wine, though.
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There's an old still in my mom's basement.
I wonder if she got shit for it from her probie.