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Title: free speech for some
Post by: McGiver on April 13, 2007, 08:02:08 PM
i am not sure if the people outside of america have been following the Don Imus story.
in short:
he made a comment about the Rutgers female Basketball team.  he called them, "Nappy haired Ho's."
Don Imus is a radio personality, who, imo, is an idiot.  however, btween his radio show and tv show on MSNBC he generated roughly 50 million dollars each year in advertising revenue.

Jessy Jackson and Al Sharpton made a call for his job.  and they got it.  Don Imus was fired....for words.

where was Jessy Jackson or Al Sharpton when a black man made these comments on C-Span:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0



it is interesting to me that people are slowly losing their rights to free speech, unless they are people of color, or even women.
why should free speech be selective?

as far as i am concerned, Don Imus' words are a minor inconvenience in the double edged sword that is, free speech.





Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: Callaway on April 13, 2007, 09:31:09 PM
I don't approve of what Don Imus said at all, but you can hear the same slurs in most rap music, so if they are going to fire Imus for saying something sexually and racially insensitive, shouldn't they also ban all rap music referring to women as "Hos" or "Nappy-headed" to be consistent?
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: Litigious on April 14, 2007, 03:03:51 AM
There was a Swedish weather girl losing her job on TV4 for posing for semi-nude pics in a magazine. That's incredibly ridiculous and double moralistic, since they can show authentic sex scenes on Swedish TV on daytime.  ::)
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: jonathan79 on April 14, 2007, 03:27:15 AM
Unfortunately, the vocal minority will always win over the rest of us.  Its not who´s right, it´s who´s the loudest and most sensitve who controls what is allowed and what is not.  Should he have made that comment?  Probably not a good idea, but, its no worse than anything else being said now days.  Imus is also calling for Sharpton to apologize for slamming the Duke students who were cleared of rape charges, but I don´t see that movement picking up steam anytime soon. 
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: Pyraxis on April 14, 2007, 04:34:37 AM
What was said in the youtube video? I'm too lazy to register.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: McGiver on April 14, 2007, 07:18:39 AM
What was said in the youtube video? I'm too lazy to register.
it was a black college professor who on C-Span said, "that the only solution to black problems is that the white people should be exterminated."
he actually made a call for white peoples heads.


if this was a middle easterner saying that, then i bet we launch a full scale war against their country.

like i said, free speech is a double edged sword.  i would agree that this man has the right to say what he wants.  but so should everybody.....equally.

jonathon is right.  we cater to the most sensitive.
what a phony, boring world we will live in when we wake up one day and everybody is blowing sunshine up everybody elses arse.  or not saying anything at all for fear of offending somebody.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: Litigious on April 14, 2007, 07:20:16 AM
what a phony, boring world we will live in when we wake up one day and everybody is blowing sunshine up everybody elses arse.  or not saying anything at all for fear of offending somebody.

Sweden is heading that way -- quickly.  :(
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: odeon on April 14, 2007, 12:02:50 PM
There was a Swedish weather girl losing her job on TV4 for posing for semi-nude pics in a magazine. That's incredibly ridiculous and double moralistic, since they can show authentic sex scenes on Swedish TV on daytime.  ::)

She didn't lose her job.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: Nomaken on April 14, 2007, 12:05:25 PM
Probably the radio company was just looking for an excuse to kick his ass for saying that shit.  He'll get another show, I have no doubt, with a less stuffy radio company.  Howard stern played hardball with radio companys for practically his entire career.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: Litigious on April 14, 2007, 12:12:33 PM
There was a Swedish weather girl losing her job on TV4 for posing for semi-nude pics in a magazine. That's incredibly ridiculous and double moralistic, since they can show authentic sex scenes on Swedish TV on daytime.  ::)

She didn't lose her job.

Didn't she?  ??? Well, it was ridiculuos to even make a comment on it, considering the policy on nudity and sex in Swedish TV.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: odeon on April 14, 2007, 12:24:32 PM
They didn't let her on camera for a while, but she was on last week.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: Litigious on April 14, 2007, 12:26:14 PM
Hypocrites. They have low life soap operas and shit like Bingo-Lotto and they have the stomach to ban a weather girl for posing for semi-nude pics of her job.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: odeon on April 14, 2007, 12:27:10 PM
She's hawt.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: McGiver on April 14, 2007, 12:27:47 PM
Hypocrites. They have low life soap operas and shit like Bingo-Lotto and they have the stomach to ban a weather girl for posing for semi-nude pics of her job.
whenever someone tries to impose rules they are usually based in hippocricy.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: Litigious on April 14, 2007, 12:29:10 PM
Hypocrites. They have low life soap operas and shit like Bingo-Lotto and they have the stomach to ban a weather girl for posing for semi-nude pics of her job.
whenever someone tries to impose rules they are usually based in hippocricy.

I know. That's why rules usually piss me off that much.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: McGiver on April 14, 2007, 12:31:30 PM
that's why i believe that rules are decreed by those that the rules most advantage.

but for me, rules are shunned or manipulated to satisfy my particular needs.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: The_P on April 14, 2007, 12:58:52 PM
There was a Swedish weather girl losing her job on TV4 for posing for semi-nude pics in a magazine. That's incredibly ridiculous and double moralistic, since they can show authentic sex scenes on Swedish TV on daytime.  ::)

She didn't lose her job.

Didn't she?  ??? Well, it was ridiculuos to even make a comment on it, considering the policy on nudity and sex in Swedish TV.

You sir are an arse.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: richard on April 14, 2007, 01:14:17 PM
jesse jackson and al sharpton are both clowns that are niggers
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: The_P on April 14, 2007, 01:21:33 PM
jesse jackson and al sharpton are both clowns that are niggers

Lol, you said nigger.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: richard on April 14, 2007, 01:22:25 PM
 :clap:
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: Litigious on April 14, 2007, 01:24:47 PM
jesse jackson and al sharpton are both clowns that are niggers

Lol, you said nigger.

NIGGER  O0
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: richard on April 14, 2007, 01:26:46 PM
how do you see a nigger at nite? you can only see him if he opens his mouth or eyes
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: duncvis on April 14, 2007, 02:04:41 PM
Yawn, nigger jokes. Call me when the burning crosses are off the lawn again.  ::)
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 14, 2007, 02:12:59 PM
interesting that that video was posted by someone called "BNPBloke" (BNP is british far right national front party)

not a fan of those ngger jokes really- not a patch on south park's:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Apologies_to_Jesse_Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Apologies_to_Jesse_Jackson)
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: duncvis on April 14, 2007, 02:37:33 PM
I fucking hate the BNP with a passion. Set of cunts.  :finger:
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: DirtDawg on April 14, 2007, 02:44:26 PM
She's hawt.

 ... post one.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 14, 2007, 02:50:29 PM
never had much involvement with them and they seem pretty ineffectual. goes without saying that they're cunts.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: duncvis on April 14, 2007, 02:58:54 PM
you'd think so wouldn't you? unfortunately the bastards keep getting seats around here. :puke:
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: Nomaken on April 14, 2007, 03:08:41 PM
I got my fill of senseless unjust censorship in 7th through 10th grade.  I got pissed enough at it during those years to last me the rest of my life.  Now, i just can't spare the rage.  Not that I wont eagerly vote against censorship bills, and vote for more freedom of speech bills, it is just that it has become entirely clear to me that besides that, there is almost nothing I can do.  I argued with people for years, and changed like a handful of minds.  So at least by arguing and indignation, i have seen no results.

Most of the minds i've seen changed were due to somebody appealing to a particular persons bias, and telling them something about the people they were originally siding with that offends them even more than the people they were siding against.  And try to make it as out of context as possible, and hope they don't have any counter arguments.  But even then, a disturbing proportion of people pick a side, and their loyalty(and desire to not be "proved" wrong) prevents them from reconsidering their position.

But nonetheless, in my experience, that cheapass tactic is worth dozens of more effective votes than arguing, and it requires far less pistivity.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 14, 2007, 03:15:38 PM
oh ;( where's here?
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: richard on April 14, 2007, 04:25:10 PM
Yawn, nigger jokes. Call me when the burning crosses are off the lawn again.  ::)
i take it you are a nigger
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: duncvis on April 14, 2007, 04:30:01 PM
You take it I am mixed race. I take it you are a fuckwit.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: McGiver on April 14, 2007, 04:32:05 PM
how do you see a nigger at nite? you can only see him if he opens his mouth or eyes
your speech is a small inconvenience for me to keep my right to speak freely.
freedom runs the gammit.

with absolute freedom you get the best of the best.
and in richards case, the worst of the worse.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: richard on April 14, 2007, 04:49:18 PM
hey man call me a fucking racial slur for white people then. i dont care
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: McGiver on April 14, 2007, 04:51:00 PM
hey man call me a fucking racial slur for white people then. i dont care
neither do i.
i use racial slurs sometimes as well.
they come from a place of intolerance within me.

i view them as a minor inconvenience.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: richard on April 14, 2007, 04:52:39 PM
i find its only niggers who get upset if there called any names. i dont know any white person who gives a rats ass if they get called one
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: McGiver on April 14, 2007, 04:54:06 PM
too sensitive perhaps.

maybe, with reason.

but i really think that it makes them (black people) look insecure.  which makes me wonder why....
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: duncvis on April 14, 2007, 04:56:42 PM
hey man call me a fucking racial slur for white people then. i dont care

No need, I already returned the insult. You're not a proper racist anyway. :eyebrows:

i find its only niggers who get upset if there called any names. i dont know any white person who gives a rats ass if they get called one

Maybe cos 'honky' or 'cracker' sound fucking stupid. Is that supposed to be an insult?
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: McGiver on April 14, 2007, 04:58:31 PM
i believe that there will come a time in america when someone will get fined or arrested for using the word nigger.

then it is just a matter of time before people will have to meet in private to speak ill of the government.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: richard on April 14, 2007, 05:02:00 PM
i believe that there will come a time in america when someone will get fined or arrested for using the word nigger.

then it is just a matter of time before people will have to meet in private to speak ill of the government.
hahaha
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: McGiver on April 14, 2007, 05:04:37 PM
i believe that there will come a time in america when someone will get fined or arrested for using the word nigger.

then it is just a matter of time before people will have to meet in private to speak ill of the government.
hahaha
i'm not joking.

it seems that all legislation is written to:
1.) think for people
2.) protect peoples sensitivities
3.) appease the loudest 2% of the population
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: In The spaGhetto on April 14, 2007, 05:05:03 PM
nah first they'll ban the word  nigger-guy (http://www.tv-links.co.uk/link.do/2/157/656/10410/17957)
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: duncvis on April 14, 2007, 05:06:13 PM
i believe that there will come a time in america when someone will get fined or arrested for using the word nigger.

then it is just a matter of time before people will have to meet in private to speak ill of the government.
hahaha
i'm not joking.

it seems that all legislation is written to:
1.) think for people
2.) protect peoples sensitivities
3.) appease the loudest 2% of the population

you missed off, make rich people that little bit richer.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: McGiver on April 14, 2007, 05:08:48 PM
i believe that there will come a time in america when someone will get fined or arrested for using the word nigger.

then it is just a matter of time before people will have to meet in private to speak ill of the government.
hahaha
i'm not joking.

it seems that all legislation is written to:
1.) think for people
2.) protect peoples sensitivities
3.) appease the loudest 2% of the population

you missed off, make rich people that little bit richer.

that is actually most legislation.  what i should have written is most other legislation.

i agree that the rich are advantaged through the use of cleverly concieved laws.
Title: Re: free speech for some
Post by: odeon on April 14, 2007, 05:15:24 PM
She's hawt.

 ... post one.

This is the one that got her banned...

(http://i6.tinypic.com/14nied5.jpg)