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Title: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on March 05, 2016, 04:54:09 PM
Trump and Hitllary??

R U fucking kidding me??

If either are elected, I'm going to have to declare the independent nation of Scrapistan.   :police:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: 'andersom' on March 05, 2016, 05:46:25 PM
Not envying you there in the USA. Next year you can pity the Dutch, voting Wilders, our Trump "light".
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Jack on March 06, 2016, 08:27:14 AM
Welcome back.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 06, 2016, 01:16:58 PM
Trump would be better than Hilary
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on March 06, 2016, 01:26:06 PM
Anything would be better than Trump.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: lutra on March 06, 2016, 02:27:34 PM
Of the two evils I'd give my vote to the woman. Um, cannot even grasp what will follow when Trump should win the election (between those two).
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Queen Victoria on March 06, 2016, 09:13:29 PM
What almost made my heart stop was someone's question, "What would Trump have done if he were President on 9/11?"
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: 'andersom' on March 07, 2016, 02:25:22 AM
Do not despair, Your Highness.

Quote
To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen... Elizabeth II:
15 oktober 2011 om 20:32

To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen... Elizabeth II:

 

( Not meant for those lacking a sense of humor, and or those that refuse to read a note in its entirety before making a comment)

 

In light of your immediate failure to financially manage yourselves and also in recent years your tendency to elect incompetent Presidents of the USA and therefore not able to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

 

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas , which she does not fancy).

 

Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.

 

Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated sometime next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

 

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

 

1. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour,' 'favour,' 'labour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced by the suffix '-ise.'Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary'). (I love that one)

 

 

Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ''like' and 'you know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter 'u'' and the elimination of '-ize.' ' (I love that one too)

 

3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

 

4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you're not ready to shoot grouse.

 

5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

 

6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

 

7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.)

 

8.You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

 

9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. New Zealand beer is also acceptable, as New Zealand is pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

 

10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

 

11. You will cease playing American football. There are only two kinds of proper football; one you call soccer, and rugby (dominated by the New Zealanders). Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

 

12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America . Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the Australians (World dominators) first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

 

13. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

 

14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

 

15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

 

God Save the Queen!
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 07, 2016, 02:31:24 AM
Trump is a blowhard, arrogant, boorish, entitled, opinionated, idiot who gambles with his and other people's money and is happy to risk a company or personal bankrupt, he is VERY unsuited to being a President.

HOWEVER

Hilary is worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

Liar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypl1MYuKDY

Criminal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueDWLP2nOtU

Corrupt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj2UKZmCXOw

Personal emails for state business?

Trump is awful. Hilary is evil.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: 'andersom' on March 07, 2016, 02:38:55 AM
Few years ago, in my country, leading politicians were rethinking their policies, not because of what they thought was good for the country, but because of the polls telling them the popularity of their party went down. WTF, that always happens, part of the deal. What is good for the people comes first even if your own party members may not like it.

I can imaging Hillary doing a good job in the second term. But till then, she'll bend and bend her ideas and words because popularity matters more than what is good for the country. In that way she's a very good politician. :P

If she could be voted for second term only, it might not be too bad.

Trump is just as publicity and popularity horny.





Glad the two can't have kids together. (assuming Hillary is too old for that.)
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 07, 2016, 02:40:26 AM
Few years ago, in my country, leading politicians were rethinking their policies, not because of what they thought was good for the country, but because of the polls telling them the popularity of their party went down. WTF, that always happens, part of the deal. What is good for the people comes first even if your own party members may not like it.

I can imaging Hillary doing a good job in the second term. But till then, she'll bend and bend her ideas and words because popularity matters more than what is good for the country. In that way she's a very good politician. :P

If she could be voted for second term only, it might not be too bad.

Trump is just as publicity and popularity horny.





Glad the two can't have kids together. (assuming Hillary is too old for that.)

Yeah look at how she treats 12 year old girls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QnmilCVzdw
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: 'andersom' on March 07, 2016, 02:57:44 AM

Yeah look at how she treats 12 year old girls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QnmilCVzdw

Did not watch the video. But saw the words underneath it. Part of rights for everyone being entitled to a lawyer.
Makes being a lawyer a tough and sometimes really nasty job. You may have to defend people doing things that are utterly heinous in your eyes, because it is part of the justice system that everyone is entitled to a lawyer and to all the gaps in a jurisdictional system.

Sometimes lawyers make an exception for one thing they cannot defend. But they will be defending people totally opposed to their own thinking and ideas of justice. And they will go beyond their own ideas of what is right and wrong because of that. But they will also remain within the boundaries the law gives them. Sick game, but better than lynching or having community wrath taking over without second thoughts.

I know people who quit law-school because they could not combine that with their ideas of ethics.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 07, 2016, 03:46:11 AM

Yeah look at how she treats 12 year old girls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QnmilCVzdw

Did not watch the video. But saw the words underneath it. Part of rights for everyone being entitled to a lawyer.
Makes being a lawyer a tough and sometimes really nasty job. You may have to defend people doing things that are utterly heinous in your eyes, because it is part of the justice system that everyone is entitled to a lawyer and to all the gaps in a jurisdictional system.

Sometimes lawyers make an exception for one thing they cannot defend. But they will be defending people totally opposed to their own thinking and ideas of justice. And they will go beyond their own ideas of what is right and wrong because of that. But they will also remain within the boundaries the law gives them. Sick game, but better than lynching or having community wrath taking over without second thoughts.

I know people who quit law-school because they could not combine that with their ideas of ethics.

Hyke she was laughing about it....literally (and she lied).

That is kind of why I post the videos because they convey more than just a photo or snapshot. Hilary is evil. I don't like Trump. Not a Cruz fan and I really dislike Bernie Sander's positions (though I do not dispute he has consistency and honesty missing with the others).

No other challengers
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: 'andersom' on March 07, 2016, 04:38:33 AM
Hyke she was laughing about it....literally (and she lied).

That is kind of why I post the videos because they convey more than just a photo or snapshot. Hilary is evil. I don't like Trump. Not a Cruz fan and I really dislike Bernie Sander's positions (though I do not dispute he has consistency and honesty missing with the others).

No other challengers

Well aware that Hilary keeps bending the rules. Not watching videos lately. Apart from the occasional music one.

Reading papers gives an impression I can manage better. Outcome is the same. I do not trust Hilary.

For the nation, maybe Hilary is just a tad less bad than Trump. Trump will destroy lots in the country and in relationships between the USA and countries abroad. Hilary has some political competence (including the lying) to keep the damage smaller. But both put their own importance way higher than the importance of the people they are going to represent.

Not envying the people in the USA.


Scrap should go for it, and stand up as an independent candidate.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Parts on March 07, 2016, 02:58:22 PM
Hate them both :zombiefuck: now would be a good time for an independent candidate the problem is the system is stacked against them.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: WolFish on March 07, 2016, 03:51:06 PM
I know little about politics but neither of these two appeal to me as being able to represent the country.

What would it look like for either of these to be president? It's clear that both have incriminating pasts, but what do you think they will do in the future?
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Pyraxis on March 07, 2016, 06:43:02 PM
I watched Al's first video, the 13 minutes of Hilary being inconsistent and lying outright. Didn't have video patience for the others.

So far, Sanders seems the least terrible of all the terrible options.

Between Hilary and Trump, I would go for Hilary, because I think she would do less damage. As much as I abhor inconsistency, Trump is good at inciting mobs to hatred, and that's not something that I would want to be backing any policy decisions. If Hilary sells out to big banks and insurance companies, it won't be that different from what's already happening to the middle class and young people, getting totally screwed over financially. It's a risk, but even with corrupt insurance, I wouldn't want to see the USA lose the Affordable Care Act.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 08, 2016, 01:34:30 AM
Sanders is a terrible option. I can say that I trust him and believe his consistency BUT he is a cultural Marxist. So I trust he would in trying to give free everything to the lower class, working class and lower middle class, Screw the rich and force them and the companies they manage to go offshore where they won't get screwed by tax. I believe he will look after minorities to the point that equality of outcome will supersede equality of options, will implement more and more PC measures to protect people from bad ideas and bad behaviour that he will implement more draconian measures to limit freedom of expression. Social Justice Warriors have a Daddy and his name is Bernie.

Is he worse than Trump or Hillary?  Much of a muchness.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: El on March 08, 2016, 06:12:59 AM
Hate them both :zombiefuck: now would be a good time for an independent candidate the problem is the system is stacked against them.
Both Bernie and Trump are as close as we've come in a very long time to independent candidates.  With each, the concern is that if they branched off, they'd split the vote on their respective side and then the other side would win by virtue of a more united vote- i.e. if Bernie ran as independent, Hillary would run as democrat, they'd each get a fraction of the democratic vote, and Trump would get the full support of the republican side and win.  Same with Trump running as independent, albiet it's still less bloody clear who would then take over the republican nomination.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on March 08, 2016, 06:30:01 AM
I think Cruz and Rubio should join up and run against Trump
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Parts on March 08, 2016, 12:56:02 PM
Sanders is a terrible option. I can say that I trust him and believe his consistency BUT he is a cultural Marxist. So I trust he would in trying to give free everything to the lower class, working class and lower middle class, Screw the rich and force them and the companies they manage to go offshore where they won't get screwed by tax. I believe he will look after minorities to the point that equality of outcome will supersede equality of options, will implement more and more PC measures to protect people from bad ideas and bad behaviour that he will implement more draconian measures to limit freedom of expression. Social Justice Warriors have a Daddy and his name is Bernie.

Is he worse than Trump or Hillary?  Much of a muchness.

Him being so far out there on so many issues is what makes him a very good candidate.  The president alone can't change or make laws they need congress and they will go along with most of his further out there ideas so in the end nothing really gets done and in four years there is a reset.  He can issue executive orders and set the tone of things but it can be changed by the next president.  Cruz would like nothing better than turn the US into a a theocracyLink (https://www.freespeech.org/video/ted-cruz-only-way-save-us-turn-it-theocracy) and Rubio is basically Cruz lite.  Clinton was already covered well in your posts.  Sure they can't make laws without congress either but they are much more likely to get their ideas past it than Bernie is
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: 'Butterflies' on March 08, 2016, 03:54:49 PM
I quite liked Sanders. I'm not too keen on Hilary at all, but she's light years ahead of the terrible two of Trump and Cruz. She might be a liar, but at least she seems mostly sane.
Trump is just evil, and Cruz is an evil evangelical Christian. I can't believe any sensible person would vote for the Republican party, who seem like some kind of weird extremist Christian party.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on March 08, 2016, 08:20:53 PM
Trump would be better than Hilary

On paper perhaps, but Trump could prove to be so unpredictable that no one know the damage he'll cause.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on March 08, 2016, 08:23:26 PM

Scrap should go for it, and stand up as an independent candidate.

 :2thumbsup:

Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: ZEGH8578 on March 09, 2016, 09:23:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pji_IX-UacM :V
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Queen Victoria on March 09, 2016, 11:22:55 AM
Or America could just come back home to my benevolent rule.    :dominatrix:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on March 09, 2016, 02:47:44 PM
Or America could just come back home to my benevolent rule.    :dominatrix:

This is obviously the best solution by far.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: 'andersom' on March 09, 2016, 02:49:04 PM
Or America could just come back home to my benevolent rule.    :dominatrix:

This is obviously the best solution by far.

It would make a Brexit very interesting.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on March 09, 2016, 02:57:07 PM
Or America could just come back home to my benevolent rule.    :dominatrix:

This is obviously the best solution by far.

It would make a Brexit very interesting.

QV is probably not in favour of Brussels deciding anything.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Queen Victoria on March 09, 2016, 06:44:02 PM
Or America could just come back home to my benevolent rule.    :dominatrix:

This is obviously the best solution by far.

It would make a Brexit very interesting.

QV is probably not in favour of Brussels deciding anything.

Brussels sprouts?
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: rock hound on March 09, 2016, 08:33:01 PM
I watched Al's first video, the 13 minutes of Hilary being inconsistent and lying outright. Didn't have video patience for the others.

So far, Sanders seems the least terrible of all the terrible options.

Between Hilary and Trump, I would go for Hilary, because I think she would do less damage. As much as I abhor inconsistency, Trump is good at inciting mobs to hatred, and that's not something that I would want to be backing any policy decisions. If Hilary sells out to big banks and insurance companies, it won't be that different from what's already happening to the middle class and young people, getting totally screwed over financially. It's a risk, but even with corrupt insurance, I wouldn't want to see the USA lose the Affordable Care Act.

AMEN and seconded!  I'm no fan of clinton either, but a pragmatic moderate is far better than a fascist demagogue like trump or cruz!   
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Jack on March 09, 2016, 09:23:40 PM
Trump would be better than Hilary

On paper perhaps, but Trump could prove to be so unpredictable that no one know the damage he'll cause.
On paper, most anyone with any political experience at all would probably look better than Trump. That's correct, no one knows what he might do, because he hasn't ever done anything. Maybe enough people are sick of politicians and having never been one is playing out in his favor.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on March 10, 2016, 10:18:42 AM
Or America could just come back home to my benevolent rule.    :dominatrix:

This is obviously the best solution by far.

  I agree!  I'm going to start practicing my curtsey!  :cbc:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on March 10, 2016, 03:42:55 PM
Or America could just come back home to my benevolent rule.    :dominatrix:

This is obviously the best solution by far.

It would make a Brexit very interesting.

QV is probably not in favour of Brussels deciding anything.

Brussels sprouts?

I doubt it but it's your call.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: WolFish on April 13, 2016, 11:37:40 AM
This surprised me.

http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_to_talk_with_your_kids_about_donald_trump%20?utm_source=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016&utm_campaign=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016+&utm_medium=email (http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_to_talk_with_your_kids_about_donald_trump%20?utm_source=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016&utm_campaign=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016+&utm_medium=email)

Kids aren't as much of a loss as it might seem. Wonder what happens between then and childhood (besides school) that destroys their ability to think creatively and critically at the same time?
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: 'andersom' on April 13, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
This surprised me.

http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_to_talk_with_your_kids_about_donald_trump%20?utm_source=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016&utm_campaign=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016+&utm_medium=email (http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_to_talk_with_your_kids_about_donald_trump%20?utm_source=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016&utm_campaign=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016+&utm_medium=email)

Kids aren't as much of a loss as it might seem. Wonder what happens between then and childhood (besides school) that destroys their ability to think creatively and critically at the same time?
Fear?

Don't know. Not all kids stop thinking creatively and critically.

But some adults have really lost that bit. Once had that discussion in the beginning of the article you linked to with my neighbour, who wanted to send anyone "not belonging" back, despite all the pleasant people of non Dutch origin she knew. Every conversation with her, while I did the gardening for her came to that topic. So, once I asked further. I asked her what she thought about people with a mixed origin. She told they had to be culled. Tried to keep myself composed and asked if that was what she thought should be done with my husband and kids. She answered affirmative. Vehemently affirmative even. I answered her in a loud voice she should start with her grandson if she really meant that. We never spoke again. She moved away quite soon after that.

Thought it was scary that it is that easy for some people to think their strategies through till a point were culling people becomes the right thing to do. And then proclaim that without even blinking.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on April 20, 2016, 11:46:58 AM
Well, with the primary results in from New York, it looks like we're stuck with the perpetual 7th grader and the whore of Wall Street.

:soapbox:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on April 20, 2016, 02:51:57 PM
Well, with the primary results in from New York, it looks like we're stuck with the perpetual 7th grader and the whore of Wall Street.

:soapbox:

I'm not so sure Trump will get to 1237. Even if he does, there will be a democratic president and her name is Hillary
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Jesse on April 20, 2016, 03:47:28 PM
I'm not voting in the general election. Waste of time, and I just don't give a fuck. It sure is entertaining though watching these candidates, Fucking pure gold. lol
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on April 24, 2016, 07:51:12 PM
This is adorable, just lower the volume if you're sensitive to loudness.  :2thumbsup:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXXiR7By1JQ
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on April 25, 2016, 11:02:22 AM
Well, with the primary results in from New York, it looks like we're stuck with the perpetual 7th grader and the whore of Wall Street.

:soapbox:

I'm not so sure Trump will get to 1237. Even if he does, there will be a democratic president and her name is Hillary

Yeah, unfortunately. Of course this is the second time she will be president, this time it's official though.

I predict that she will be a one term president though, people will see that she's just a puppet of Wall Street.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on May 04, 2016, 01:55:19 PM
Now it's official. The :trump: is going to be the Republican candidate.

I'll just have to plug my nose, suppress the gag reflex and vote for the moron because what Hillary will do to the Supreme Court is even worse.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on May 04, 2016, 01:58:00 PM
This surprised me.

http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_to_talk_with_your_kids_about_donald_trump%20?utm_source=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016&utm_campaign=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016+&utm_medium=email (http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_to_talk_with_your_kids_about_donald_trump%20?utm_source=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016&utm_campaign=GG+Newsletter+April+13+2016+&utm_medium=email)

Kids aren't as much of a loss as it might seem. Wonder what happens between then and childhood (besides school) that destroys their ability to think creatively and critically at the same time?

Oh, boy!! Thank god we have UC Berkley to do our thinking for us.   ::)
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on May 04, 2016, 02:42:16 PM
Poor you.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Pyraxis on May 04, 2016, 08:05:04 PM
I guess WolFish and I will have to run away to Canada.  :P
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on May 05, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
Are you back together again??
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on May 05, 2016, 09:48:08 AM
  Canada's looking really nice.  I wonder if they need another low-skilled 50-year-old food service drudge.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on May 05, 2016, 11:34:44 AM
  Canada's looking really nice.  I wonder if they need another low-skilled 50-year-old food service drudge.

If I had the money, I'd move the Czech Republic.   8)
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on May 05, 2016, 12:46:36 PM
Get to the south before he builds the wall. :P
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Pyraxis on May 05, 2016, 08:48:35 PM
Are you back together again??

We were apart?
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on May 06, 2016, 10:21:11 AM
Are you back together again??

We were apart?

Scrap knows best. :M
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on May 06, 2016, 11:22:24 AM
Are you back together again??

We were apart?

Scrap knows best. :M

Scrap is a genius.  Don't forget it.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on May 06, 2016, 12:44:59 PM
Are you back together again??

We were apart?

I thought you two had seperated for some reason. Didn't one of you move away from the other??
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: 'andersom' on May 06, 2016, 01:28:02 PM
Are you back together again??

We were apart?

I thought you two had seperated for some reason. Didn't one of you move away from the other??

A while ago, IIRC, Wolfie talked about his ex, and you assumed he was talking about Py. Think you somewhat started wooing Py when you thought that.

No one cleared the misunderstanding. I did not either. Thought it was funny.  :green:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on May 06, 2016, 01:46:58 PM
Are you back together again??

We were apart?

I thought you two had seperated for some reason. Didn't one of you move away from the other??

A while ago, IIRC, Wolfie talked about his ex, and you assumed he was talking about Py. Think you somewhat started wooing Py when you thought that.

No one cleared the misunderstanding. I did not either. Thought it was funny.  :green:

  That whole wooing thing went right past me, almost as if I had some sort of social deficit.  :autism:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on May 06, 2016, 02:26:45 PM
Are you back together again??

We were apart?

I thought you two had seperated for some reason. Didn't one of you move away from the other??

A while ago, IIRC, Wolfie talked about his ex, and you assumed he was talking about Py. Think you somewhat started wooing Py when you thought that.

No one cleared the misunderstanding. I did not either. Thought it was funny.  :green:

wooing her?? I just asked if she was on the market.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Pyraxis on May 06, 2016, 06:13:03 PM
Woofy has an ex, but it's not me.  :LOL:

I had to move for a job, but he came with me.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Parts on May 31, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
 :zoinks:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Jack on May 31, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
:laugh:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on June 01, 2016, 01:57:02 PM
He'd be a lot better than Trump. :P
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 01, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
Since the next president will be choosing at least 2 supreme court justices, we actually need trump in order to maintain political balance in the SCOTUS.  :facepalm2:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: DirtDawg on June 01, 2016, 04:25:43 PM
Since the next president will be choosing at least 2 supreme court justices, we actually need trump in order to maintain political balance in the SCOTUS.  :facepalm2:

A lot of the public are not thinking of that. If they did, it might boost Trumps chances against Killery. I feel that Bernie is not electable, despite his recent onslaught of supporters.
Not sure what to do. I do not want either of the "front runners" as my president. 

I am not about to abstain from voting like so many do just because they do not like the choices, causing a repeat of what happened in '12 with over three million voters not showing up to the polls.

Right now I think I would prefer to vote for Gandalf for president!



Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 01, 2016, 07:52:17 PM
I want the disenfranchised Bernie supporters to all vote for Gary Johnson. Those supporters added on to his 5-10% base would push numbers up AND if that meant neither Hillary or Trump go the votes of Bernie supporters then the numbers would look really interesting maybe 15-16% Johnson and even splitting of the balance between Hillary and Trump. Then it would get interesting
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 03, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
How much longer until California is voted for in the primaries? I want to see how close Bernie gets. I want him to catch up or pass Hillary in pledged votes and then get rorted out of a nomination by the superdelegates. That would be funny as Hell.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 03, 2016, 01:58:40 PM
How much longer until California is voted for in the primaries? I want to see how close Bernie gets. I want him to catch up or pass Hillary in pledged votes and then get rorted out of a nomination by the superdelegates. That would be funny as Hell.

Tuesday
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 03, 2016, 07:06:44 PM
How much longer until California is voted for in the primaries? I want to see how close Bernie gets. I want him to catch up or pass Hillary in pledged votes and then get rorted out of a nomination by the superdelegates. That would be funny as Hell.

Tuesday

I think that'll be our Wednesday. I will be sneaking glances at work.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 03, 2016, 11:09:37 PM
Since the next president will be choosing at least 2 supreme court justices, we actually need trump in order to maintain political balance in the SCOTUS.  :facepalm2:

A lot of the public are not thinking of that. If they did, it might boost Trumps chances against Killery.

Yeah, after the death of Antonin Scalia, it was the first thing on my mind. A liberal judiciary would be the worst thing that could happen to the US right now.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: FourAceDeal on June 04, 2016, 03:36:09 AM
Trump has been allowed to normalise bullying and violence as campaign tools within a "democracy".  He should have been castigated but instead he has been rewarded.

If you think this is a bad election, just wait for the next one. It's going to be a race to the bottom of the hill.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 04, 2016, 07:08:13 AM
Trump has been allowed to normalise bullying and violence as campaign tools within a "democracy".  He should have been castigated but instead he has been rewarded.

If you think this is a bad election, just wait for the next one. It's going to be a race to the bottom of the hill.

No I do not think that is right.
Donald Trump was always being the "Apprentice Guy" the "Tough business guy" because he had nothing else to draw on. What experience could he refer to?
He needed to get the media talking about HIM more than they talked about 16 other experienced Republican politicians. How did he go? How many millions of dollars of airtime and media write ups did he steal from his opponents? I only know about 6 of those politicians and saw a little Cruz, a little Rubio, and a little of Jeb.
His rather childish insults he repeated over and over had effect. You could not think on Jeb without thinking of him as being lazy and low energy. Nor could we think of Cruz without "Lyin' Ted" entering your mind or even of Mario being so small.
As for facing off Hillary? There is NOTHING that she does not deserve. She has been shielded artificially on the basis of her being an establishment favourite and wife of an ex-President.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 04, 2016, 12:32:32 PM
Trump has been allowed to normalise bullying and violence as campaign tools within a "democracy". 

No, actually that's been those on the left who have initiated all the violence.

Trump just makes outrageous statements and they take the bait.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: FourAceDeal on June 04, 2016, 01:54:40 PM
Trump has been allowed to normalise bullying and violence as campaign tools within a "democracy". 

No, actually that's been those on the left who have initiated all the violence.

Trump just makes outrageous statements and they take the bait.

Yes.  That's it.  Trump is just being a cheaky little scamp and those naughty commies, sorry, I mean left wingers are starting fights.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Queen Victoria on June 04, 2016, 03:07:45 PM
Vote the Monarchy Ticket.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 04, 2016, 07:52:35 PM
Trump has been allowed to normalise bullying and violence as campaign tools within a "democracy". 

No, actually that's been those on the left who have initiated all the violence.

Trump just makes outrageous statements and they take the bait.

Yes.  That's it.  Trump is just being a cheaky little scamp and those naughty commies, sorry, I mean left wingers are starting fights.

I know you were being sarcastic but you are unfortunately 100% right. It's AKWAYS Anti-trump supporters.
The liberal press say Donald initiated (with his rhetoric) or was the cause, but they are never the ones starting any violence nor are they rushing the stage or screaming protests at Democratic speeches
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 04, 2016, 11:41:25 PM
Trump has been allowed to normalise bullying and violence as campaign tools within a "democracy". 

No, actually that's been those on the left who have initiated all the violence.

Trump just makes outrageous statements and they take the bait.

Yes.  That's it.  Trump is just being a cheaky little scamp and those naughty commies, sorry, I mean left wingers are starting fights.

I know you were being sarcastic but you are unfortunately 100% right. It's AKWAYS Anti-trump supporters.
The liberal press say Donald initiated (with his rhetoric) or was the cause, but they are never the ones starting any violence nor are they rushing the stage or screaming protests at Democratic speeches

:agreed:

FourAceDeal seems oblivious to the violence that is committed by the political left here in the US (and elsewhere, I presume).

All one has to do is look on youtube to see the evidence of how belligerent they have become.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 04, 2016, 11:54:08 PM
Trump has been allowed to normalise bullying and violence as campaign tools within a "democracy". 

No, actually that's been those on the left who have initiated all the violence.

Trump just makes outrageous statements and they take the bait.

Yes.  That's it.  Trump is just being a cheaky little scamp and those naughty commies, sorry, I mean left wingers are starting fights.

I know you were being sarcastic but you are unfortunately 100% right. It's AKWAYS Anti-trump supporters.
The liberal press say Donald initiated (with his rhetoric) or was the cause, but they are never the ones starting any violence nor are they rushing the stage or screaming protests at Democratic speeches

:agreed:

FourAceDeal seems oblivious to the violence that is committed by the political left here in the US (and elsewhere, I presume).

All one has to do is look on youtube to see the evidence of how belligerent they have become.

Absolutely. Donald trump is flawed. But not in the way Hillary Clinton is.

I have no real skin in the game but in viewing things impartially and as a non-citizen, I want Hillary to win the primary and then be indited just before the election and have her right to hold office stripped off her during the election. That would be "Hillarious".
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 05, 2016, 12:12:13 AM
Absolutely. Donald trump is flawed. But not in the way Hillary Clinton is.

Donald Trump is flawed in the way that's all of his own.

Donald has many flaws and they're great flaws. People like his flaws and he has a team of the best people making his flaws.

Donald has lots of flaws and I'm telling you, you won't believe how great they are.

Quote
I have no real skin in the game but in viewing things impartially and as a non-citizen, I want Hillary to win the primary and then be indited just before the election and have her right to hold office stripped off her during the election. That would be "Hillarious".

:oneliner:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Jack on June 05, 2016, 12:25:09 AM
Donald has lots of flaws and I'm telling you, you won't believe how great they are.
That's a really great statement. :laugh: His greatest flaw has been his greatest asset; he's not a politician.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on June 06, 2016, 01:17:28 AM
Donald has lots of flaws and I'm telling you, you won't believe how great they are.
That's a really great statement. :laugh: His greatest flaw has been his greatest asset; he's not a politician.

  I'm my own man and so is my hair! :trump:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on June 06, 2016, 09:37:53 AM
It would explain a lot.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: DirtDawg on June 06, 2016, 12:27:42 PM
Since the next president will be choosing at least 2 supreme court justices, we actually need trump in order to maintain political balance in the SCOTUS.  :facepalm2:

A lot of the public are not thinking of that. If they did, it might boost Trumps chances against Killery.

Yeah, after the death of Antonin Scalia, it was the first thing on my mind. A liberal judiciary would be the worst thing that could happen to the US right now.

Yeah, I totally agree.

I had a huge argument with my seventeen year old son after he heard about Scalia's death and said, "Well, good riddance I say!"  My son has been sucked in by some extreme liberal types on the 'net and it is my fault for not trying to keep his mind open by more carefully monitoring his internet usage.
An ongoing process!

Anyway ...

I ripped his ass apart for hours, probably abused him a bit, but just the notion of disrespecting a recently passed human being of any ilk was more than I could see in my son's behavior and ignore. Let alone disrespecting the legacy of an American Hero, like Justice Antonin Scalia.

We did a study of some of his life's work and we read many of his "decisions"  just for my son to see the opposition he had faced while standing strong against those who would incrementally change our Constitution using the Judicial Branch instead of the Congress.

It was a good lesson for both of us. I had "almost"  forgotten what  great American he truly was, until we started arguing about it.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: DirtDawg on June 06, 2016, 12:30:27 PM
Donald has lots of flaws and I'm telling you, you won't believe how great they are.
That's a really great statement. :laugh: His greatest flaw has been his greatest asset; he's not a politician.

  I'm my own man and so is my hair! :trump:

How can anyone trust a man to be President when HE does not even trust his own hair?

 :dunno:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 06, 2016, 02:27:20 PM
Since the next president will be choosing at least 2 supreme court justices, we actually need trump in order to maintain political balance in the SCOTUS.  :facepalm2:

A lot of the public are not thinking of that. If they did, it might boost Trumps chances against Killery.

Yeah, after the death of Antonin Scalia, it was the first thing on my mind. A liberal judiciary would be the worst thing that could happen to the US right now.

Yeah, I totally agree.

I had a huge argument with my seventeen year old son after he heard about Scalia's death and said, "Well, good riddance I say!"  My son has been sucked in by some extreme liberal types on the 'net and it is my fault for not trying to keep his mind open by more carefully monitoring his internet usage.
An ongoing process!

Anyway ...

I ripped his ass apart for hours, probably abused him a bit, but just the notion of disrespecting a recently passed human being of any ilk was more than I could see in my son's behavior and ignore. Let alone disrespecting the legacy of an American Hero, like Justice Antonin Scalia.

We did a study of some of his life's work and we read many of his "decisions"  just for my son to see the opposition he had faced while standing strong against those who would incrementally change our Constitution using the Judicial Branch instead of the Congress.

It was a good lesson for both of us. I had "almost"  forgotten what  great American he truly was, until we started arguing about it.

This is one of his better dissents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJtlNeIyts
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 06, 2016, 03:06:11 PM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: rock hound on June 06, 2016, 04:15:54 PM
I'm a LIBERAL and proud of it!  Got a problem with that...............too bad, fuck off!   :zombiefuck:   Oh, I'm sorry, I was just joking......guess it didn't get thru the black hole density minds out there.      :fp:  My bad!   
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: DirtDawg on June 06, 2016, 04:50:56 PM

Whatever, dude. I do not know if you are going at me or not, but I was not actually going at anyone.

I was relating a story about a personal incident that happened in my own household. I would not stand for my son to take lightly the passing of a human being.

I am kind of liberal myself.
It might be smart if we were all able to remember that it takes a balance of liberal and conservative (or how ever it might be that  "the two sides of the aisle"  are to be defined in your context) to make this country work. Losing any one of our greatest on either side is a disaster for the entire country.

Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: DirtDawg on June 06, 2016, 04:52:54 PM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:

You have just been promoted to the level of  "Moron"  in my latest book. :thumbdn:

I had given you a long rope up to now.

 :congrats:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: rock hound on June 06, 2016, 05:39:04 PM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:

My "moron" brutha from anotha mutha!    :plus:   8)
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Pyraxis on June 06, 2016, 10:21:56 PM
 :jerry:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on June 07, 2016, 01:00:50 AM
:popcorn:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on June 07, 2016, 06:02:11 AM
  There's gonna be a rumble!  It's like the good old days!  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 07, 2016, 08:49:46 AM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:

You have just been promoted to the level of  "Moron"  in my latest book. :thumbdn:

I had given you a long rope up to now.

 :congrats:

Oh noes :(

I'm willing to posit that my opinion of Scalia is more important than yours as I doubt you have read a single page that he has written while I have read literally thousands.  :M
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 07, 2016, 01:32:50 PM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:

You have just been promoted to the level of  "Moron"  in my latest book. :thumbdn:

I had given you a long rope up to now.

 :congrats:

Oh noes :(

I'm willing to posit that my opinion of Scalia is more important than yours as I doubt you have read a single page that he has written while I have read literally thousands.  :M

And there's lawyers who have read every word that he's written and think you're wrong in every regard. Your point being??
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: DirtDawg on June 07, 2016, 01:36:48 PM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:

You have just been promoted to the level of  "Moron"  in my latest book. :thumbdn:

I had given you a long rope up to now.

 :congrats:

Oh noes :(

I'm willing to posit that my opinion of Scalia is more important than yours as I doubt you have read a single page that he has written while I have read literally thousands.  :M

I can not accept that one person's opinion is "more important" than any others. I regard your opinion as quite valid and quite worthy of discussion.

I take issue mostly with your nonchalant dismissal of the life and death of a great American - let us skip that Great American part for now - any person who has lived to the best of their abilities to be what they set out to be, hunter, gatherer, baker, candlestick maker, does not matter, deserves a modest respect after passing from this world in MY opinion.  A human life is an "important thing"  in the scheme of our society.   Not all matter as much as a few, but this particular ones sudden death hurt us all, as you will learn in the ensuing months, assuming you are also subject to USA laws and Judicial interpretations from the highest, Final court in our land.
 
I could proceed along a parallel argument to yours by demonstrating that a well informed opinion may have more of a touch of the facts while it was being formed and thus might reflect a more informed (nothing more) viewpoint. None of which "completely" discounts the less informed's viewpoint. A less informed opinion only invites more scrutiny and calls it into question by those who ARE well informed.

Assuming that we non - lawyers do not read and understand Supreme Court decisions is a bit arrogant. (another one of MY opinions) I was quite interested in following politics even before Reagan came to office.

I stated my opinion of your comment. It seemed as if you were quite uninformed. If I am wrong in thinking that you are simply not aware of the times that our Constitution was supported by Justice Scalia, then maybe you should work a bit on your presentation, Old Buddy, Old Pal, True "Friend" Of Mine.

 :yawn:




OH!   I think we need a "Tempest In A Teapot"  smiley.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: DirtDawg on June 07, 2016, 01:39:48 PM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:

You have just been promoted to the level of  "Moron"  in my latest book. :thumbdn:

I had given you a long rope up to now.

 :congrats:

Oh noes :(

I'm willing to posit that my opinion of Scalia is more important than yours as I doubt you have read a single page that he has written while I have read literally thousands.  :M

And there's lawyers who have read every word that he's written and think you're wrong in every regard. Your point being??

It appears that he has nothing more than wanting to hassle me for stating that any human life is worthy of respect.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 07, 2016, 01:42:08 PM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:

You have just been promoted to the level of  "Moron"  in my latest book. :thumbdn:

I had given you a long rope up to now.

 :congrats:

Oh noes :(

I'm willing to posit that my opinion of Scalia is more important than yours as I doubt you have read a single page that he has written while I have read literally thousands.  :M

And there's lawyers who have read every word that he's written and think you're wrong in every regard. Your point being??

That I'm entitled to my opinion, and it's superior to yours  :hahaha:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 07, 2016, 01:46:25 PM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:

You have just been promoted to the level of  "Moron"  in my latest book. :thumbdn:

I had given you a long rope up to now.

 :congrats:

Oh noes :(

I'm willing to posit that my opinion of Scalia is more important than yours as I doubt you have read a single page that he has written while I have read literally thousands.  :M

And there's lawyers who have read every word that he's written and think you're wrong in every regard. Your point being??

It appears that he has nothing more than wanting to hassle me for stating that any human life is worthy of respect.

Naw, again that's just your opinion and you are entitled to it.  My opinion is that Scalia was one of the worst things to ever happen to non-white, non-male, non-elderly Americans and I cheered when I heard he was dead.  I later attended a bit of an impromptu celebration with some fellow-minded lawyers.  I'm glad he's dead.  I do not accept your premise that he is some capitalized "Great American".  He was a shitbag, and I'm glad he died.

All that being said, he was truly entertaining to read.  Kind of like a cross between Pappy and TCO when he wasn't getting his way.  Just with more eloquence and bigger words.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: DirtDawg on June 07, 2016, 02:03:15 PM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:

You have just been promoted to the level of  "Moron"  in my latest book. :thumbdn:

I had given you a long rope up to now.

 :congrats:

Oh noes :(

I'm willing to posit that my opinion of Scalia is more important than yours as I doubt you have read a single page that he has written while I have read literally thousands.  :M

And there's lawyers who have read every word that he's written and think you're wrong in every regard. Your point being??

It appears that he has nothing more than wanting to hassle me for stating that any human life is worthy of respect.

Naw, again that's just your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Thank you for that. I seem to be winning the discussion for now. At least you have agreed that I am entitled to my own opinion. Is feels like headway.
Now to get to the "more important"  part.

(You DO know that you will wear that statement like a metaphorical  "Albatross Around Your Neck"  for as long as I am aware your existence)
 :lol1:

My opinion is that Scalia was one of the worst things to ever happen to non-white, non-male, non-elderly Americans and I cheered when I heard he was dead.  I later attended a bit of an impromptu celebration with some fellow-minded lawyers.  I'm glad he's dead.  I do not accept your premise that he is some capitalized "Great American".  He was a shitbag, and I'm glad he died.

All that being said, he was truly entertaining to read.  Kind of like a cross between Pappy and TCO when he wasn't getting his way.  Just with more eloquence and bigger words.
And again one more of YOUR opinions (this could go on a while if I do not END it NOW!)

Surely you can not think that having a few cohorts with which to share that opinion makes it "more" valid in some way.

I promise to end this nonsense after you respond with the last word one more time.
 :headbang2:


Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: rock hound on June 07, 2016, 03:21:17 PM
Fuck Scalia.  Good riddance!  :MLA:

You have just been promoted to the level of  "Moron"  in my latest book. :thumbdn:

I had given you a long rope up to now.

 :congrats:

Oh noes :(

I'm willing to posit that my opinion of Scalia is more important than yours as I doubt you have read a single page that he has written while I have read literally thousands.  :M

And there's lawyers who have read every word that he's written and think you're wrong in every regard. Your point being??

It appears that he has nothing more than wanting to hassle me for stating that any human life is worthy of respect.

Naw, again that's just your opinion and you are entitled to it.  My opinion is that Scalia was one of the worst things to ever happen to non-white, non-male, non-elderly Americans and I cheered when I heard he was dead.  I later attended a bit of an impromptu celebration with some fellow-minded lawyers.  I'm glad he's dead.  I do not accept your premise that he is some capitalized "Great American".  He was a shitbag, and I'm glad he died.

All that being said, he was truly entertaining to read.  Kind of like a cross between Pappy and TCO when he wasn't getting his way.  Just with more eloquence and bigger words.

Agreed, but, he was the "key" behind citizens united,  which let corporations flood the electoral process with millions of dollars, and then there was the "gutting" of the voting rights act..which disenfranchised minority voters.  And then there was his shameless excursions with billion dollar lobbyists, on hunting trips, parties, etc.  Oh, yes, and he died on a hunting trip with one of them....at least he didn't get shot by dickyboy cheney!  Or was he? :CanofWorms:  Anyway. if this had been thomas, I would have thrown a party that lasted a month.  scalia was biased, bought, and bogus!   And the world is a cleaner place with him gone!
 8)
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 07, 2016, 03:43:40 PM
(You DO know that you will wear that statement like a metaphorical  "Albatross Around Your Neck"  for as long as I am aware your existence)

You have been aware of my existence for 6 years now.  I sleep just fine ;)
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 07, 2016, 03:45:30 PM
Agreed, but, he was the "key" behind citizens united,  which let corporations flood the electoral process with millions of dollars, and then there was the "gutting" of the voting rights act..which disenfranchised minority voters.  And then there was his shameless excursions with billion dollar lobbyists, on hunting trips, parties, etc.  Oh, yes, and he died on a hunting trip with one of them....at least he didn't get shot by dickyboy cheney!  Or was he? :CanofWorms:  Anyway. if this had been thomas, I would have thrown a party that lasted a month.  scalia was biased, bought, and bogus!   And the world is a cleaner place with him gone!
 8)

He's also the biggest hypocrite to ever wear the robe.  He confirmed that in Shelby County v. Holder.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: rock hound on June 07, 2016, 03:57:43 PM
Agreed, but, he was the "key" behind citizens united,  which let corporations flood the electoral process with millions of dollars, and then there was the "gutting" of the voting rights act..which disenfranchised minority voters.  And then there was his shameless excursions with billion dollar lobbyists, on hunting trips, parties, etc.  Oh, yes, and he died on a hunting trip with one of them....at least he didn't get shot by dickyboy cheney!  Or was he? :CanofWorms:  Anyway. if this had been thomas, I would have thrown a party that lasted a month.  scalia was biased, bought, and bogus!   And the world is a cleaner place with him gone!
 8)

He's also the biggest hypocrite to ever wear the robe.  He confirmed that in Shelby County v. Holder.

I slightly disagree, thomas is, sexual harassment is the worst!
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Gopher Gary on June 07, 2016, 04:10:42 PM
for as long as I am aware your existence

Who the fuck are you?  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: WolFish on June 09, 2016, 09:01:03 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 09, 2016, 01:17:28 PM
That I'm entitled to my opinion, and it's superior to yours  :hahaha:

In other words, hubris.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 09, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
My opinion is that Scalia was one of the worst things to ever happen to non-white,
so you're a racist
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non-male,
self-loathing misandrist
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non-elderly
Ageist
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Americans
Zenophiliac 
Quote
and I cheered when I heard he was dead.
Necropheliac. :wanker:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 09, 2016, 01:24:59 PM
That I'm entitled to my opinion, and it's superior to yours  :hahaha:

In other words, hubert.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 09, 2016, 01:29:10 PM
Agreed, but, he was the "key" behind citizens united,  which let corporations flood the electoral process with millions of dollars, and then there was the "gutting" of the voting rights act..which disenfranchised minority voters.  And then there was his shameless excursions with billion dollar lobbyists, on hunting trips, parties, etc.  Oh, yes, and he died on a hunting trip with one of them....at least he didn't get shot by dickyboy cheney!  Or was he? :CanofWorms:  Anyway. if this had been thomas, I would have thrown a party that lasted a month.  scalia was biased, bought, and bogus!   And the world is a cleaner place with him gone!
 8)

He's also the biggest hypocrite to ever wear the robe.  He confirmed that in Shelby County v. Holder.

Actually that decision was fairly consistent with his legal philosophy.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 09, 2016, 01:33:18 PM
Agreed, but, he was the "key" behind citizens united,  which let corporations flood the electoral process with millions of dollars, and then there was the "gutting" of the voting rights act..which disenfranchised minority voters.  And then there was his shameless excursions with billion dollar lobbyists, on hunting trips, parties, etc.  Oh, yes, and he died on a hunting trip with one of them....at least he didn't get shot by dickyboy cheney!  Or was he? :CanofWorms:  Anyway. if this had been thomas, I would have thrown a party that lasted a month.  scalia was biased, bought, and bogus!   And the world is a cleaner place with him gone!
 8)

He's also the biggest hypocrite to ever wear the robe.  He confirmed that in Shelby County v. Holder.

Actually that decision was fairly consistent with his legal philosophy.

You know nothing John Snow
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 09, 2016, 01:41:15 PM
Hubris.  :wanker:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on June 09, 2016, 01:42:44 PM
:popcorn:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 09, 2016, 04:52:02 PM
Hubris.  :wanker:

Okay, I was wrong.  You do know how to  :wanker:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 10, 2016, 12:15:02 PM
He's also the biggest hypocrite to ever wear the robe.  He confirmed that in Shelby County v. Holder.

Actually that decision was fairly consistent with his legal philosophy.

You know nothing John Snow

How about explaining his hypocrisy instead of negging my karma. Or is that too hard for you because you suck at your job??  :MLA:  :hahaha:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: DirtDawg on June 10, 2016, 12:24:05 PM
for as long as I am aware your existence

Who the fuck are you?  :zoinks:

I am the one you stole that treasure from in your mouth.

(not a gay relationship!)
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Parts on June 10, 2016, 12:36:48 PM
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ll50492d58.png)
I hate places that prevent you linking to there photos :grrr:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 10, 2016, 02:28:05 PM
He's also the biggest hypocrite to ever wear the robe.  He confirmed that in Shelby County v. Holder.

Actually that decision was fairly consistent with his legal philosophy.

You know nothing John Snow

How about explaining his hypocrisy instead of negging my karma. Or is that too hard for you because you suck at your job??  :MLA:  :hahaha:

NO!  :M
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 10, 2016, 06:13:27 PM
Well, at least we know you suck at your job.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on June 10, 2016, 06:39:28 PM
Bernie got shafted. He will capitulate next week but before he does, they will promise him things to get that capitulation and salve his ego. Then they will break the promises after he endorses and gives his support to Hillary.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on June 11, 2016, 09:33:11 AM
Trump has been allowed to normalise bullying and violence as campaign tools within a "democracy". 

No, actually that's been those on the left who have initiated all the violence.

Trump just makes outrageous statements and they take the bait.

Yes.  That's it.  Trump is just being a cheaky little scamp and those naughty commies, sorry, I mean left wingers are starting fights.

I know you were being sarcastic but you are unfortunately 100% right. It's AKWAYS Anti-trump supporters.
The liberal press say Donald initiated (with his rhetoric) or was the cause, but they are never the ones starting any violence nor are they rushing the stage or screaming protests at Democratic speeches

:agreed:

FourAceDeal seems oblivious to the violence that is committed by the political left here in the US (and elsewhere, I presume).

All one has to do is look on youtube to see the evidence of how belligerent they have become.

Here's said video evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwkKi521a7g
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: MLA on June 13, 2016, 09:04:20 AM
Well, at least we know you suck at your job.

Any explanation would involve big words and ideas more complicated than "TITS!!!!1" and "AIRPLANES GO VROOOOOM - DROOL".

I'm fine at my job, which by the way has nothing to do with explaining judicial philosophy to ignorant backwoods rednecks.  Go back to sweeping the floor.  :hahaha:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: WolFish on July 19, 2016, 11:22:18 AM
i guess melania could have been one of my students.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36832095

did they really believe no one was going to check to see if she actually had a college degree?
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on July 19, 2016, 04:05:25 PM
i guess melania could have been one of my students.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36832095

did they really believe no one was going to check to see if she actually had a college degree?

She'll make a fine first lady. :zoinks:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Jack on July 19, 2016, 04:08:30 PM
i guess melania could have been one of my students.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36832095

did they really believe no one was going to check to see if she actually had a college degree?
Reads like a speech writer sticking it to her. The speech also contained a rickroll. :laugh:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-rickroll-melania-trump-rick-astley-rnc-20160719-snap-story.html
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Melania Trump: “He will never, ever give up. And most important, he will never, ever let you down.”
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: WolFish on July 19, 2016, 04:36:29 PM
i guess melania could have been one of my students.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36832095

did they really believe no one was going to check to see if she actually had a college degree?
Reads like a speech writer sticking it to her. The speech also contained a rickroll. :laugh:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-rickroll-melania-trump-rick-astley-rnc-20160719-snap-story.html
Quote
Melania Trump: “He will never, ever give up. And most important, he will never, ever let you down.”
i'll bet they fired the speech writer for rickrolling her and not for plagiarizing.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Jack on July 19, 2016, 04:41:29 PM
i guess melania could have been one of my students.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36832095

did they really believe no one was going to check to see if she actually had a college degree?
Reads like a speech writer sticking it to her. The speech also contained a rickroll. :laugh:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-rickroll-melania-trump-rick-astley-rnc-20160719-snap-story.html
Quote
Melania Trump: “He will never, ever give up. And most important, he will never, ever let you down.”
i'll bet they fired the speech writer for rickrolling her and not for plagiarizing.
The news says no one is to be fired.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/melania-trump-michelle-obama-speech/index.html
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Queen Victoria on July 19, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
i guess melania could have been one of my students.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36832095

did they really believe no one was going to check to see if she actually had a college degree?

She'll make a fine first lady. :zoinks:

Won't she have to become a lady first?
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on July 19, 2016, 09:40:23 PM
i guess melania could have been one of my students.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36832095

did they really believe no one was going to check to see if she actually had a college degree?

She'll make a fine first lady. :zoinks:

Won't she have to become a lady first?

we need a catty smiley for this one!!!  :rofl:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on July 19, 2016, 10:55:14 PM
She is a Hell of a lot better looking than the alternative first lady - Bill Clinton
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on July 20, 2016, 12:23:09 AM
i guess melania could have been one of my students.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36832095

did they really believe no one was going to check to see if she actually had a college degree?

She'll make a fine first lady. :zoinks:

Won't she have to become a lady first?

Excellent point.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Queen Victoria on August 30, 2016, 11:39:38 AM
Worst candidates for POTW (President of the World)

Al Swearengen and odeon.

JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on August 30, 2016, 11:47:51 AM
(https://www.facebook.com/presidentgaryjohnson/photos/a.1534521983507133.1073741828.1534519560174042/1613157755643555/?type=3)

Can anyone see this??

Nope.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on August 30, 2016, 11:48:14 AM
Worst candidates for POTW (President of the World)

Al Swearengen and odeon.

JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING.

:'(
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Queen Victoria on August 30, 2016, 11:49:09 AM
Worst candidates for POTW (President of the World)

Al Swearengen and odeon.

JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING.

:'(

Awwwww, poor baby. 
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on August 30, 2016, 11:49:58 AM
Worst candidates for POTW (President of the World)

Al Swearengen and odeon.

JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING.

:'(

Awwwww, poor baby.

There's my career choice down the drain. :zoinks:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on August 30, 2016, 12:09:03 PM
(https://www.facebook.com/presidentgaryjohnson/photos/a.1534521983507133.1073741828.1534519560174042/1613157755643555/?type=3)

Can anyone see this??

No, sorry
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on August 30, 2016, 12:36:43 PM
(https://www.facebook.com/presidentgaryjohnson/photos/a.1534521983507133.1073741828.1534519560174042/1613157755643555/?type=3)

Can anyone see this??

No, sorry

Damnit!!!  It's a cartoon pic of Trump and Hillary as Beavis and Butt-Head.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Trigger 11 on September 03, 2016, 07:48:02 AM
Yes...quite possible, indeed.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 03, 2016, 07:52:07 AM
It's an indication of the sorry state you are in that someone like Hillary is miles better than the other one in pretty much every way.

Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Trigger 11 on September 03, 2016, 07:56:25 AM
It's an indication of the sorry state you are in that someone like Hillary is miles better than the other one in pretty much every way.

I know! The Doosh had a rally here last week and this area is loaded with his supporters and her haters. I mean, he is lining his own pockets with campaign contributions by hiring his wn companies to do stuff and they run around saying he can't be bought. No...he's a scam artist, let alone the racist and other shit.

We are fucked...

"Oh Canada...my new home and native land..."
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on September 03, 2016, 11:34:29 AM
It's an indication of the sorry state you are in that someone like Hillary is miles better than the other one in pretty much every way.

Not sure which world you live in.

Killary is one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians on earth, she really belongs in Putin's regime.

Trump is just a loudmouthed buffoonish demagogue.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 03, 2016, 11:56:46 AM
It's an indication of the sorry state you are in that someone like Hillary is miles better than the other one in pretty much every way.

Not sure which world you live in.

Killary is one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians on earth, she really belongs in Putin's regime.

Trump is just a loudmouthed buffoonish demagogue.

Hillary has never knocked back a favour for a big enough kickback, nor held a position she was not prepared to kill if it did no longer remain politically advantageous.

I can't get over her helping selling off 25% of US uranium deposits to the Russians.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Trigger 11 on September 03, 2016, 12:24:15 PM
It's an indication of the sorry state you are in that someone like Hillary is miles better than the other one in pretty much every way.

Not sure which world you live in.

Killary is one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians on earth, she really belongs in Putin's regime.

Trump is just a loudmouthed buffoonish demagogue.

But he already plans and will do far worse than she has done. So you get the loudmouthed buffonery and racism , etc. that then empowers all the racists, etc. to discriminate and hate in addition to him destroying the country, the world economy, and linng his own pockets in the process.

I'm not voting for either, but he represents the worst in humankind.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 03, 2016, 03:00:50 PM
It's an indication of the sorry state you are in that someone like Hillary is miles better than the other one in pretty much every way.

Not sure which world you live in.

Killary is one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians on earth, she really belongs in Putin's regime.

Trump is just a loudmouthed buffoonish demagogue.

A bigoted, lying demagogue willing to turn your country into a police state. Hillary is an unlikely candidate but she is perfectly capable of doing the job. Trump isn't.

Make no mistake, we have our share of incompetent politicians, but we are nowhere near your current situation. There's also the fact that our idiots have no way of doing as much harm as yours.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Queen Victoria on September 03, 2016, 05:19:18 PM
Deciding on who to vote is complex for me.  The President doesn't wear only one hat.

Deal with friendly foreign nations
Deal with unfriendly foreign nations
Possibly manage a war
Deal with Congress
Manage an economy
Make wise appointments to critical national positions
Deal with natural and terrorist occurrences
etc.

I don't think there's been any president who's been good at everything.  What is important in November 2016 might not be important in November 2018.  It's difficult to make a choice.  Sometimes a liar is the best politician, sometimes arrogance is best.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Trigger 11 on September 03, 2016, 07:55:39 PM
It's an indication of the sorry state you are in that someone like Hillary is miles better than the other one in pretty much every way.

Not sure which world you live in.

Killary is one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians on earth, she really belongs in Putin's regime.

Trump is just a loudmouthed buffoonish demagogue.

A bigoted, lying demagogue willing to turn your country into a police state. Hillary is an unlikely candidate but she is perfectly capable of doing the job. Trump isn't.

Make no mistake, we have our share of incompetent politicians, but we are nowhere near your current situation. There's also the fact that our idiots have no way of doing as much harm as yours.

We have lots of bombs (and habe used them) and the largest arsenal of military equipment, so...yeah! Pretty fucked up to give the control of a nuclear arsenal to bully who throws temper tamptrums and has the IQ of a cumquat.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 03, 2016, 09:58:59 PM
It's an indication of the sorry state you are in that someone like Hillary is miles better than the other one in pretty much every way.

Not sure which world you live in.

Killary is one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians on earth, she really belongs in Putin's regime.

Trump is just a loudmouthed buffoonish demagogue.

A bigoted, lying demagogue willing to turn your country into a police state. Hillary is an unlikely candidate but she is perfectly capable of doing the job. Trump isn't.

Make no mistake, we have our share of incompetent politicians, but we are nowhere near your current situation. There's also the fact that our idiots have no way of doing as much harm as yours.

IS he trying to turn the US into a police state? Big claim. I am guessing like most things, you cannot back this claim up. I bet the very best you can do is some random associations LIKE He wants to deport people who are in US illegally and he does not want to let extremists in. To you I bet that and the dread of what other "crazy things" he is not telling anyone he will do will be enough. It isn't.

Propaganda.

Hey if I am wrong, I look forward to being shown substance. I just feel you have very little substance from which to draw from.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 03, 2016, 11:22:32 PM
IS he trying to turn the US into a police state? Big claim. I am guessing like most things, you cannot back this claim up. I bet the very best you can do is some random associations LIKE He wants to deport people who are in US illegally and he does not want to let extremists in. To you I bet that and the dread of what other "crazy things" he is not telling anyone he will do will be enough. It isn't.

Propaganda.

Hey if I am wrong, I look forward to being shown substance. I just feel you have very little substance from which to draw from.

The first few paragraphs should suffice:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-president-trump-would-threaten-our-constitutional-freedoms/2016/07/13/42b41048-4876-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html?utm_term=.61ae643443be

You can either admit that you are wrong or attempt to explain away this.

Or maybe your definition of a police state is different. Hmm. that would explain things.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 04, 2016, 02:26:16 AM
IS he trying to turn the US into a police state? Big claim. I am guessing like most things, you cannot back this claim up. I bet the very best you can do is some random associations LIKE He wants to deport people who are in US illegally and he does not want to let extremists in. To you I bet that and the dread of what other "crazy things" he is not telling anyone he will do will be enough. It isn't.

Propaganda.

Hey if I am wrong, I look forward to being shown substance. I just feel you have very little substance from which to draw from.

The first few paragraphs should suffice:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-president-trump-would-threaten-our-constitutional-freedoms/2016/07/13/42b41048-4876-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html?utm_term=.61ae643443be

You can either admit that you are wrong or attempt to explain away this.

Or maybe your definition of a police state is different. Hmm. that would explain things.

Absolutely can explain away most of that by two things Donald Trump (as Art of the Deal sets out) is a negotiator. He wants everything out on the table even things that he is not really interested in entertaining. When he concedes the more extreme elements he is left with what he is interested in.

Will Trump interested in rounding up 11 million people? Probably not. He would start with any that have committed crimes and when they are being held in jail use that opportunity to deport them, after having strengthen laws around this. As to illegal immigrants in US doing no crime? They would be on notice. He would tighten regulations to make it difficult for them BUT at the same time someone has to pay for building the wall. His idea of making Mexico pay for it, I understand is predicated on his putting to the Mexican government that illegal immigrants in America contribute billions to the economy in Mexico from payments from America sent back to Mexico by illegal immigrant families (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271455/Revealed-How-immigrants-America-sending-120-BILLION-struggling-families-home.html) . By tightening laws and regulations around this (in terms of required ID and so forth), I understand that he could effectively stem the flow of cash to the point where it may be more beneficial for Mexico to pay for the wall. Now IF this is the case, for this tactic to work, he would NEED a large number of illegal immigrants to remain here.

Politics is about full disclosures or being savvy enough to appear to be fully disclosing everything whilst giving yourself a bit of wiggle room to disavow "misunderstandings". Hardline negotiation requires a different skill set. It requires you to not give anything away and to have everything on the table to barter down to a position that you initially wanted. So I do not imagine for a moment that he wishes to round up 11 million illegal immigrants in the dead of night with guns drawn and door smashed open. But he doesn't want to appear to be backing down from appearing hard on the issue.

He will cut the flow of illegal immigrants to US over the border and the preying of the cartel on the illegal immigrants. He will get rid of illegal immigrants who commit crimes but extraditing them. In doing so he will achieve two things he will both show his supporters that his being tough on illegal immigration is not all hot air and he will dispel Liberal hot air around the police state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4_Vcwooj5k

Now as far as Muslim immigration and the constitutionality...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

"(a) Classes of aliens ineligible for visas or admissionExcept as otherwise provided in this chapter, aliens who are inadmissible under the following paragraphs are ineligible to receive visas and ineligible to be admitted to the United States:.....

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline."

Waterboarding, well it is something that I do not support but is it unconstitutional? I think perhaps even more important is that if US allows that then do they not open the door for others to do it with moral justification. Sure wars should be restricted to killing, wounding and maiming people with bullets, stab wounds concussive and explosive trauma, and shrapnel injuries - not torturing people.

As to whether it could be argued that doing it off US soil which I think was Bush's point, is a different point and I do not know how this challenges the law.

Libel laws are absolutely needing strengthening. I do not think this ought to be a difficult one to consider and it is a false characterisation to say that it is so Trump can sue over things he does not like. It is so everyone will have protection from people lying about them from a position of strengthen and having the person lied about not being able to contest this.

You may not know who Jeremy Glick is. He is the child of someone kill in 9/11. He went on The O'reilly factor touting an unpopular opinion. For which Bill O'Reilly wantonly lied and mischaracterised  and insulted this young man. (Yes it was 13 years ago but it is still a point worth making)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja8Pb1nbqEA
It was not that what Bill O'Reilly did an dhow he treated Glick was immoral, dishonest and nasty. It was all of that but when Glick went to a lawyer and said "Hey can't I sue O'Reilly?" the response was along the line of "No. The reason is that O'Reilly often reacts in these kinds of crazy ways and you would have a battle proving that HE did not believe what he is saying even though it is patently absurd and extreme and ridiculous". In this instance it was Slander rather than libel but the point is the same.

THAT is the reason for needing to tighten poor laws where the onus on proving the case of libel is so extreme that most victims of libel and slander are having to swallow most of what is cast at them from very powerful media.

Explaining away is not too difficult. I want you in light of what I have said to explain this police state of your fertile imaginings and how this would come to be. Don't simply throw biased propagandist articles at me, explain it....yourself. Back yourself.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 04, 2016, 02:06:02 PM
You're trying to explain away what he has said by quoting others and making your own guesses. Weak. But then, why would you even try? You support the man.

Pay attention to the first few seconds:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-i-will-create-deportation-task-force/2016/08/31/42451fc6-6fea-11e6-993f-73c693a89820_video.html

:popcorn:

You are so useless at this,
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on September 04, 2016, 03:04:46 PM
It's an indication of the sorry state you are in that someone like Hillary is miles better than the other one in pretty much every way.

Not sure which world you live in.

Killary is one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians on earth, she really belongs in Putin's regime.

Trump is just a loudmouthed buffoonish demagogue.

A bigoted, lying demagogue willing to turn your country into a police state.

By and large, it already is a police state, that's why I left Cali.

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Hillary is an unlikely candidate but she is perfectly capable of doing the job.

This is the bitch who told the FBI 39 times that she can't remember what she did as Secretary of State because of a 2012 concussion.

Either she can't do the job or she's lying out of her ass and is so corrupt that she WON'T do the job.

Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 04, 2016, 03:19:26 PM
You're trying to explain away what he has said by quoting others and making your own guesses. Weak. But then, why would you even try? You support the man.

Pay attention to the first few seconds:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-i-will-create-deportation-task-force/2016/08/31/42451fc6-6fea-11e6-993f-73c693a89820_video.html

:popcorn:

You are so useless at this,

Not really. You make some really strange conclusions.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Trigger 11 on September 04, 2016, 05:53:44 PM
https://youtu.be/Z0GFRcFm-aY
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Trigger 11 on September 04, 2016, 05:56:57 PM
https://youtu.be/kUEk4MMSMzE
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 05, 2016, 05:01:41 AM
You're trying to explain away what he has said by quoting others and making your own guesses. Weak. But then, why would you even try? You support the man.

Pay attention to the first few seconds:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-i-will-create-deportation-task-force/2016/08/31/42451fc6-6fea-11e6-993f-73c693a89820_video.html

:popcorn:

You are so useless at this,

Not really. You make some really strange conclusions.

Yes. I heard that already. Illegal immigrants who commit crimes will get deported (and no you do not listen to a few seconds, you listen to the lot). Context, Odeon.

Now why you would show me that when I said:

Will Trump interested in rounding up 11 million people? Probably not. He would start with any that have committed crimes and when they are being held in jail use that opportunity to deport them, after having strengthen laws around this. As to illegal immigrants in US doing no crime? They would be on notice.

Yup you actually supported exactly what I said in showing me this. Damn I am good, and you really aren't. Your critical thinking is useless.

I am interested why people like you see Trump as some dangerous Tyrant.

http://fusion.net/story/252637/obama-has-deported-more-immigrants-than-any-other-president-now-hes-running-up-the-score/

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2016/05/18/flashback-bill-clinton-in-96-sounds-like-trump-on-immigration-we-are-a-nation-of-laws-n2164898

And no one said a word. Donald Trump gets tough on illegal immigration and they all lose their minds.

I also wonder why after me addressing your points you do something idiotic enough to make my points for me by reinforcing what I said in his own words? That is stupid enough BUT THEN to say

:popcorn:

You are so useless at this,

It kind of comes across as projection.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 05, 2016, 12:48:16 PM
I guess you have problems with both reading and listening, then. /shrugs
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 05, 2016, 03:44:06 PM
I guess you have problems with both reading and listening, then. /shrugs

Nope. You have just have no critical reasoning skills to draw off
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 05, 2016, 03:45:31 PM
I guess you have problems with both reading and listening, then. /shrugs

Nope. You have just have no critical reasoning skills to draw off

:rofl:

You are hilarious.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 05, 2016, 04:12:36 PM
I guess you have problems with both reading and listening, then. /shrugs

Nope. You have just have no critical reasoning skills to draw off

:rofl:

You are hilarious.

I am too and you in turn are unable to understand that a critical skill in reasoning a premise in opposition to someone else is not to show evidence to support what they just said.

I guess that hypocritical mindset bleeds through though
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 06, 2016, 11:55:40 AM
I guess you have problems with both reading and listening, then. /shrugs

Nope. You have just have no critical reasoning skills to draw off

:rofl:

You are hilarious.

I am too and you in turn are unable to understand that a critical skill in reasoning a premise in opposition to someone else is not to show evidence to support what they just said.

I guess that hypocritical mindset bleeds through though

Methinks you probably need to look up "reasoning".  :hahaha:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 06, 2016, 02:54:36 PM
I guess you have problems with both reading and listening, then. /shrugs

Nope. You have just have no critical reasoning skills to draw off

:rofl:

You are hilarious.

I am too and you in turn are unable to understand that a critical skill in reasoning a premise in opposition to someone else is not to show evidence to support what they just said.

I guess that hypocritical mindset bleeds through though

Methinks you probably need to look up "reasoning".  :hahaha:

I really do not think so. I am aware I annoy you but that doesn't make me unreasoned. Unsreaoned would be me to make a special point of saying that Donald Trump would likely deport criminals in the Mexican illegal immigrants and then you saying well watch this then, and me watching Donald Trump say he would create a force.....to deport Mexican illegal immigrants that are criminals.
That is unreasoned. It's as unreasoned as you get
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 06, 2016, 03:05:03 PM
You might want to edit that for basic legibility.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 06, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
You might want to edit that for basic legibility.

It would not matter you still won't understand. You are unable to grasp the concept itself.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 06, 2016, 03:25:40 PM
You might want to edit that for basic legibility.

It would not matter you still won't understand. You are unable to grasp the concept itself.

You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 06, 2016, 03:34:02 PM
You might want to edit that for basic legibility.

It would not matter you still won't understand. You are unable to grasp the concept itself.

You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".

Ideas are everything and punctuation is low hanging fruit. If I had great punctuation but no idea I would be....Oh God, I'd be you!
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 06, 2016, 04:02:40 PM
You might want to edit that for basic legibility.

It would not matter you still won't understand. You are unable to grasp the concept itself.

You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".

Ideas are everything and punctuation is low hanging fruit. If I had great punctuation but no idea I would be....Oh God, I'd be you!

No, you wouldn't. You don't have the brains.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Al Swearegen on September 06, 2016, 04:03:20 PM
You might want to edit that for basic legibility.

It would not matter you still won't understand. You are unable to grasp the concept itself.

You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".

Ideas are everything and punctuation is low hanging fruit. If I had great punctuation but no idea I would be....Oh God, I'd be you!

No, you wouldn't. You don't have the brains.

You do not think as well a you think.  :hahaha:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Gopher Gary on September 06, 2016, 09:09:37 PM
You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".

Actually, that's two independent clauses; they would be properly separated by a semicolon.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on September 06, 2016, 09:12:08 PM
You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".

Actually, that's two independent clauses; they would be properly separated by a semicolon.  :zoinks:

Why would you separate independent clauses with a mastodon??
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Gopher Gary on September 06, 2016, 09:20:54 PM
You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".

Actually, that's two independent clauses; they would be properly separated by a semicolon.  :zoinks:

Why would you separate independent clauses with a mastodon??

What else are they good for?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Yuri Bezmenov on September 06, 2016, 10:45:05 PM
You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".

Actually, that's two independent clauses; they would be properly separated by a semicolon.  :zoinks:

Why would you separate independent clauses with a mastodon??

What else are they good for?  :dunno:


Excellent point!!   :autism:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 07, 2016, 03:51:30 PM
You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".

Actually, that's two independent clauses; they would be properly separated by a semicolon.  :zoinks:

Stylistically, a semicolon is always a compromise. :M
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: odeon on September 07, 2016, 03:52:01 PM
You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".

Actually, that's two independent clauses; they would be properly separated by a semicolon.  :zoinks:

Why would you separate independent clauses with a mastodon??

What else are they good for?  :dunno:


Excellent point!!   :autism:

No, comma. :P
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Gopher Gary on September 07, 2016, 06:48:48 PM
You should also strive to improve your punctuation. For example: "It would not matter, you still won't understand" rather than "It would not matter you still won't understand".

Actually, that's two independent clauses; they would be properly separated by a semicolon.  :zoinks:

Stylistically, a semicolon is always a compromise. :M

That doesn't make me any less right.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Bastet on January 05, 2017, 06:18:55 PM
Illegal immigration is not the same as legal immigration. I sure as hell don't want it easy for Mexican drug cartel members to illegally immigrate here because some Progressives feefees.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Gopher Gary on January 05, 2017, 08:29:08 PM
Illegal immigration is not the same as legal immigration.

I'm pretty sure they're exactly alike.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Bastet on January 05, 2017, 08:31:07 PM
Illegal immigration is not the same as legal immigration.

I'm pretty sure they're exactly alike.  :zoinks:
Um no. Criminals aren't allowed in legally. Ever.
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Gopher Gary on January 05, 2017, 08:33:58 PM
I was joking and being hilarious.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Bastet on January 05, 2017, 08:47:19 PM
I was joking and being hilarious.  :zoinks:

I'm wasnt sure with you that time, Hairy Gary, despite the emote. :zoinks:

Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on January 06, 2017, 06:49:24 AM
I was joking and being hilarious.  :zoinks:

  You're in my yard illegally!   :odeon: (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_108.gif)
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Bastet on January 06, 2017, 07:37:13 PM
I was joking and being hilarious.  :zoinks:

  You're in my yard illegally!   :odeon: (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_108.gif)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61StWA1jjtL._SL256_.jpg)


Gopher begone!
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Gopher Gary on January 06, 2017, 07:45:55 PM
I know my rights. I was born here.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Bastet on January 06, 2017, 07:54:07 PM
I know my rights. I was born here.  :zoinks:

You're an anchor gopher!
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Gopher Gary on January 06, 2017, 07:56:26 PM
I know my rights. I was born here.  :zoinks:

You're an anchor gopher!

Nope, not at all.  :zoinks:  That's actually an interesting story. Maybe I'll tell it one day.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Bastet on January 06, 2017, 07:59:24 PM
I know my rights. I was born here.  :zoinks:

You're an anchor gopher!

Nope, not at all.  :zoinks:  That's actually an interesting story. Maybe I'll tell it one day.  :dunno:

Tell it to immigration.  :police:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: Gopher Gary on January 06, 2017, 09:14:03 PM
I'm not worried because gopher immigration are lazy asses.  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Quite possibly the 2 worst candidates for POTUS.
Post by: "couldbecousin" on January 07, 2017, 08:06:53 AM
I know my rights. I was born here.  :zoinks:

You're an anchor gopher!

    :evilplus:   This made me smile before work.