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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: Walkie on February 14, 2015, 08:05:08 AM
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Well. I usd to think to myself: they might be deluded, but it's really kind of them to work so hard at saving my soul.
Then, one day, they let it slip that they didn't give a damn about my soul, they were only doing it to get their reward in the Afterlife.
Hmmmph. Turns out Walkie is even more naive than the average Jehovah's Witness. :apondering:
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My mom used to talk to them, she was friendly but would tell them she disagreed with them and start talking about things other than religion till they would try and get away telling her they had more houses to visit :green:
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Well. I usd to think to myself: they might be deluded, but it's really kind of them to work so hard at saving my soul.
Then, one day, they let it slip that they didn't give a damn about my soul, they were only doing it to get their reward in the Afterlife.
Hmmmph. Turns out Walkie is even more naive than the average Jehovah's Witness. :apondering:
They aren't trying to save anyone's soul because they don't believe in hell. They're trying to convert. Jehovah witnesses believe anyone who isn't a Jehovah witness is under the control of satan. Did one really say they were seeking reward in an afterlife?
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/shrugs
I've let them in. It was fun.
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Me and a friend were stopped by a JW
We told him right off the bat "dude, we are the most unlikely convertees youve ever met, there is no chance."
He accepted it, but not entirely, so we told him that we were headed straight for hell, and nowhere but hell, but we asked him kindly to put a good word in for us, if he insisted on being a savior, because we are good people after all, just absolutely nonbelieving.
This made him very insecure, and he giggled nervously, and assured us he would put in a good word!
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Did one really say they were seeking reward in an afterlife?
yep. JWs do believe in an afterlife, only it's a physical afterlife on earth, not in heaven. And they believe that you have to pester non-believers to qualify for your place there. They reckon only so many will be "saved", and that God knows exactly how many, so if it isn't you, tough shit; they did exactly as they were told by God, and can smugly expect to be raised from the dead and patted on the back. It was that smug self-satifaction that got to me. :LOL:
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Did one really say they were seeking reward in an afterlife?
yep. JWs do believe in an afterlife, only it's a physical afterlife on earth, not in heaven. And they believe that you have to pester non-believers to qualify for your place there. They reckon only so many will be "saved", and that God knows exactly how many, so if it isn't you, tough shit; they did exactly as they were told by God, and can smugly expect to be raised from the dead and patted on the back. It was that smug self-satifaction that got to me. :LOL:
Yes, knew all that, but it still seems strange any one of them would say their evangelism efforts are to serve their own purposes. It would be like telling someone they're just knocking on the door so they can have something to put on their log. It might be the truth, but very surprising for it to be stated. Bad Jehovah witness. :laugh:
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My ex SIL is a Jehovah...she already knows I'm unredeemable and the spawn of evil, I think she passed on the word.
No one has bothered me in ages. :thumbup:
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I wonder if Jehovah witnesses know a lot of good knock knock jokes. :zoinks:
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Seventh Day Adventists, Jehova's Witnesses, members of the Brunstad Christian Church and many others do believe they can gain credits for later in this life.
Matter of doctrine. With Lutheran's and European Calvinists (don't know enough about the American Calvinists) this is an impossibility. You can't live your life aimed on what will be after your life. You have to live your life for what it is here and now, and be thankful for the graces given you.
Does not take away that there are truly kind people among Adventists, Jehova's Witnesses and Brunstad Christians. They are people, just like the rest. But when I heard a Brunstad Christian mother tell her little kids to play with kids they did not like, because that way they would be saving up for their own little home in heaven, I found it sickening. She was a kind woman, but this somehow brought everything back to gain, and nothing to normal interaction.
Never saw it that clear and spelled out with either Adventists or Jehova's Witnesses.
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Have always liked the Calvinist. More religious people should be Calvinist.
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Seventh Day Adventists, Jehova's Witnesses, members of the Brunstad Christian Church and many others do believe they can gain credits for later in this life.
Matter of doctrine. With Lutheran's and European Calvinists (don't know enough about the American Calvinists) this is an impossibility. You can't live your life aimed on what will be after your life. You have to live your life for what it is here and now, and be thankful for the graces given you.
Does not take away that there are truly kind people among Adventists, Jehova's Witnesses and Brunstad Christians. They are people, just like the rest. But when I heard a Brunstad Christian mother tell her little kids to play with kids they did not like, because that way they would be saving up for their own little home in heaven, I found it sickening. She was a kind woman, but this somehow brought everything back to gain, and nothing to normal interaction.
Never saw it that clear and spelled out with either Adventists or Jehova's Witnesses.
I would be interested in a conversation between Hyke and a JW. :laugh: I wonder which would know JW theology better. :pope: :hyke:
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Seventh Day Adventists, Jehova's Witnesses, members of the Brunstad Christian Church and many others do believe they can gain credits for later in this life.
Matter of doctrine. With Lutheran's and European Calvinists (don't know enough about the American Calvinists) this is an impossibility. You can't live your life aimed on what will be after your life. You have to live your life for what it is here and now, and be thankful for the graces given you.
Does not take away that there are truly kind people among Adventists, Jehova's Witnesses and Brunstad Christians. They are people, just like the rest. But when I heard a Brunstad Christian mother tell her little kids to play with kids they did not like, because that way they would be saving up for their own little home in heaven, I found it sickening. She was a kind woman, but this somehow brought everything back to gain, and nothing to normal interaction.
Never saw it that clear and spelled out with either Adventists or Jehova's Witnesses.
I would be interested in a conversation between Hyke and a JW. :laugh: I wonder which would know JW theology better. :pope: :hyke:
The JW I get on my doorstep is a gentle 96 year old man. I tell him I am interested in what his faith means to him, not in the doctrines. And he tells me about that. Kind of personal history.
My ex did have a in depth theological debate with a JW years and years ago. Went on to a debate via snail mail. Was funny. The JW letters were clearly written by a team in the end. For my ex it was a thorough doctrinal goodbye to his roots, SDA and JW are very similar in origin.
End result was that we were on a blacklist for JW people for about a decade. Too dangerous a household to approach.
:laugh:
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My ex did have a in depth theological debate with a JW years and years ago. Went on to a debate via snail mail. Was funny. The JW letters were clearly written by a team in the end. For my ex it was a thorough doctrinal goodbye to his roots, SDA and JW are very similar in origin.
End result was that we were on a blacklist for JW people for about a decade. Too dangerous a household to approach.
:laugh:
The JWs have a blacklist? :zoinks:
That would be such a cool thing to be on. Looks like you have to work insanely hard at it though. Do you get awarded a BA in Theology at the end of the correspondence course?
-Walkie
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My ex did have a in depth theological debate with a JW years and years ago. Went on to a debate via snail mail. Was funny. The JW letters were clearly written by a team in the end. For my ex it was a thorough doctrinal goodbye to his roots, SDA and JW are very similar in origin.
End result was that we were on a blacklist for JW people for about a decade. Too dangerous a household to approach.
:laugh:
The JWs have a blacklist? :zoinks:
That would be such a cool thing to be on. Looks like you have to work insanely hard at it though. Do you get awarded a BA in Theology at the end of the correspondence course?
-Walkie
It was hard work, and for my ex it was a personal thing, breaking down his fundamentalistic upbringing to the bone, with JW as sparringpartners.
He should have gotten a BA just for that indeed. :laugh:
He got his Masters a few years later, the traditional way.
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Seventh Day Adventists, Jehova's Witnesses, members of the Brunstad Christian Church and many others do believe they can gain credits for later in this life.
Matter of doctrine. With Lutheran's and European Calvinists (don't know enough about the American Calvinists) this is an impossibility. You can't live your life aimed on what will be after your life. You have to live your life for what it is here and now, and be thankful for the graces given you.
Does not take away that there are truly kind people among Adventists, Jehova's Witnesses and Brunstad Christians. They are people, just like the rest. But when I heard a Brunstad Christian mother tell her little kids to play with kids they did not like, because that way they would be saving up for their own little home in heaven, I found it sickening. She was a kind woman, but this somehow brought everything back to gain, and nothing to normal interaction.
Never saw it that clear and spelled out with either Adventists or Jehova's Witnesses.
I would be interested in a conversation between Hyke and a JW. :laugh: I wonder which would know JW theology better. :pope: :hyke:
The JW I get on my doorstep is a gentle 96 year old man. I tell him I am interested in what his faith means to him, not in the doctrines. And he tells me about that. Kind of personal history.
My ex did have a in depth theological debate with a JW years and years ago. Went on to a debate via snail mail. Was funny. The JW letters were clearly written by a team in the end. For my ex it was a thorough doctrinal goodbye to his roots, SDA and JW are very similar in origin.
End result was that we were on a blacklist for JW people for about a decade. Too dangerous a household to approach.
:laugh:
:plus: for joining an exclusive club. :hyke: