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Start here => Free For ALL => Topic started by: thomas81 on July 17, 2014, 09:24:47 AM
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So I read the 10 principles, and one thing that struck me was the part about anything that "detracts from unity with autistic people hurts all autistic people".
How do you square this with the fact that the disagreement between the pro-cure and pro-neurodiversity movements are irreconcilable?
What are people's views here on the cure-anti cure debate?
I myself am anti-cure, in that i don't view autism as an affliction and a necessary part of human diversity (many technological achievements have come about BECAUSE of autism not in spite of it). Furthermore, any cure attempts would be extremely dangerous to the patient and the risks would outweigh the supposed benefits.
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Why didn't you make this a poll? :GA:
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Anti-cure. Obviously
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Why didn't you make this a poll? :GA:
Sorry, it didn't occur to me. I assumed people would just type their opinons.
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Why didn't you make this a poll? :GA:
Sorry, it didn't occur to me. I assumed people would just type their opinons.
We're lazy. :P
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I don't think you will find any curebies here.
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This place was founded before WrongPlanet was bought out by Autism Speaks, and I for one still stand in opposition to that move, despite all the rhetoric about building bridges between communities. There are some people and some organizations you don't want to build bridges with. As awful as WP was and as much fun as people had had trolling the hell out of it, it did less harm to the autistic community without corporate shills.
So where is the "unity with autistic people" now? I don't know. I haven't been back there in years. Statistically it's obvious that there are autistic people in the world I personally don't have unity with, but a principle about detracting from unity is a bit of rhetoric too, anyway. Take the community here as you see it, rather than as conforming to the letter of the principles.
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This place was founded before WrongPlanet was bought out by Autism Speaks....
No shit?
I thought Plankton was all anti that shit. Ah yeah, I forgot, he's more pro-money/fame than any other supposed principles.
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wrong planet seems to be a rogue's gallery of all the negative stereotypes of autistic people.
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This place was founded before WrongPlanet was bought out by Autism Speaks....
No shit?
They're in a "business partnership" of some sort now. As of a couple years ago. There was some drama about Autism Speaks having accounts on the forum and objecting to people saying bad things about them and Plankton capitulating to their wishes and deleting as he thought fit. In return Plankton gets to be in videos or some crap.
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He's made a whole dozen posts on his forum this year. :autism:
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This place was founded before WrongPlanet was bought out by Autism Speaks....
No shit?
They're in a "business partnership" of some sort now. As of a couple years ago. There was some drama about Autism Speaks having accounts on the forum and objecting to people saying bad things about them and Plankton capitulating to their wishes and deleting as he thought fit. In return Plankton gets to be in videos or some crap.
Whore.
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I'm for "curing" the severe cases of autism. Even if this only brings them higher on the spectrum. If a person is able to voice an opinion, then that opinion should be followed if possible.
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I'm for "curing" the severe cases of autism. Even if this only brings them higher on the spectrum. If a person is able to voice an opinion, then that opinion should be followed if possible.
The danger is that sets kindof a precedence.
If ASD of any 'extremity' becomes 'curable' then governments and medical authorities could co-erce people into having potentially life threatening procedures carried out under duress of having services and welfare removed.
"you want your disability allowance? Tough shit! Go and get your brain cut up, and become normal"
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QV, I have to agree it sets a dangerous precedent.
And also, from the point of view of the 'severely' autistic kids...I have been one, someone that would probably get that label as a kid. I'm kinda pissed I had to become 'less' autistic. Sure, there were a few inconvenient features, or problems of one sort or another, but I figure there must be with being NT too.
If I could return to the way I used to be as a kid (life experience and gained knowledge/experiences/maturity not withstanding) I would do.
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Just practice rocking in a corner all day long.
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I'm for "curing" the severe cases of autism. Even if this only brings them higher on the spectrum. If a person is able to voice an opinion, then that opinion should be followed if possible.
The danger is that sets kindof a precedence.
If ASD of any 'extremity' becomes 'curable' then governments and medical authorities could co-erce people into having potentially life threatening procedures carried out under duress of having services and welfare removed.
"you want your disability allowance? Tough shit! Go and get your brain cut up, and become normal"
Then they tell you you no longer qualify for it because your normal :zoinks:
Then again they don't even know what normal is really. I look at it this way any type of training, therapy or even meds that might help you get along better in the world is great if that is what you want but it should never be forced upon you and if it helps great. As to being cured I always wonder what I would lose and who this new person would be.
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Calandale, I don't need to practice. I already do that.
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Then they tell you you no longer qualify for it because your normal :zoinks:
Which would be the point entirely!
Then again they don't even know what normal is really. I look at it this way any type of training, therapy or even meds that might help you get along better in the world is great if that is what you want but it should never be forced upon you and if it helps great. As to being cured I always wonder what I would lose and who this new person would be.
meds are never going to be a permanent changer. All they do is 'mask' it. We know that autism is caused by congenital differences in brain architecture. So to 'change' it would mean rearranging the furniture of the brain. What it boils down to is surgery, and I really hope that no doctor with a cintilla of responsibility would put someone in that kind of risk.
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Why does it have to be either or? The neurodiversity crap is frequently voiced by people looking for excuses to not try to change or adapt. The curebie discussion is frequently added to the mix by these same people when their neurodiversity excuses aren't enough.
People are morons, dx or not.
I believe we've had this discussion before, here and on other boards.
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Have any of you read "Speed of Dark" by Elizabeth Moon? Good story about autism and cure.
I agree with Parts, never know what I would be like if cured. Would I still be me or would I have a different personality?
At times I get so frustrated that I think a cure would be good but that is like spur-of-the-moment thinking.
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I've read it. It's a good book, a good story.