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Title: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 11, 2013, 06:08:15 AM
She had her mother with her and was clapping hands. I thought that was so attractive. But maybe she is <18, kind of hard to tell because we look 10 years younger than we are usually. She was taller than me, not exactly probable but who knows?

Would it be wise to try to talk to her, if I see her again? Or is that the kind of thing where you invoke the Jesus loving rage of the furious parent, followed by a shit storm of legal attacks?
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 11, 2013, 06:20:59 AM
I look visually similar to this guy btw., but slightly more muscles considerably less fat. Also my brain is bigger. Maybe that is important?

http://xhamster.com/movies/1897229/amateur_fist.html (http://xhamster.com/movies/1897229/amateur_fist.html)
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 11, 2013, 06:22:25 AM
She had her mother with her and was clapping hands. I thought that was so attractive. But maybe she is <18, kind of hard to tell because we look 10 years younger than we are usually. She was taller than me, not exactly probable but who knows?

Would it be wise to try to talk to her, if I see her again? Or is that the kind of thing where you invoke the Jesus loving rage of the furious parent, followed by a shit storm of legal attacks?

Count yourself lucky, if it is just legal attacks.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 11, 2013, 06:26:26 AM
But why? Doesn't the guy from the porn clip look reasonable and like a good friend?


I mean, he doesn't look like that at all:

(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/01/06/1226237/990425-meizer.jpg)

or like that:

(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/12/21/1226227/999193-kenworthy.jpg)

I heard first impressions are very important.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 11, 2013, 08:00:44 AM
There is more than looks that counts in first impressions.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: ZEGH8578 on November 11, 2013, 09:21:07 AM
what's this
I don't even
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 11, 2013, 09:24:32 AM
what's this
I don't even

There, there, let me approach and hug you.  :flyingbat:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: odeon on November 11, 2013, 09:29:40 AM
You should probably be locked in, DFGL. And I mean it in the nicest way possible.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 11, 2013, 09:33:38 AM
Yeah, I should be locked in for being interested in women. Makes perfect sense.

I realize that it is a difficult situation, but I don't really know how difficult. In psychiatry for example, it was considered normal to get to know each other and form relationships. But if it is on the streets, why can't the same thing happen? Or rather how?

One woman was really nuts and cute, she said she saw aliens outside her window. Borderline of course ... She found out where I lived and came there, but I was in withdrawal and didn't know what was going on :( . Just bad timing. Never heard from her again.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: odeon on November 11, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
I think you would do us all a favour by not trying to form a relationship. In some relationships, a baby will result, a result that, in your case, is both unnecessary and unfortunate.

In other words, please don't fuck up the gene pool.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 11, 2013, 09:41:00 AM
I don't want to have children.

Great anti-autism attitude you have.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 11, 2013, 09:42:15 AM
Yeah, I should be locked in for being interested in women. Makes perfect sense.

I realize that it is a difficult situation, but I don't really know how difficult. In psychiatry for example, it was considered normal to get to know each other and form relationships. But if it is on the streets, why can't the same thing happen? Or rather how?

Wondering if you should talk to someone, and right after that posting a link to porn to show us what you look like just sounds a little off to the usual way of introducing yourself to someone in the street.

It's not the wanting to introduce oneself that makes it weird and scary, that in itself is fine. It is the whole setting that makes it way beyond awkward.


And, if that girl had her mother with her, you can count on it that her mother already has got a first impression of you. If you looked eager, she will be wary, very wary. Too many autistic girls (and boys) have fallen victim to creeps. Easy prey.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: odeon on November 11, 2013, 09:44:16 AM
I don't want to have children.

Great anti-autism attitude you have.

I'm not anti autism. I'm anti you.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: odeon on November 11, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
And, if that girl had her mother with her, you can count on it that her mother already has got a first impression of you. If you looked eager, she will be wary, very wary. Too many autistic girls (and boys) have fallen victim to creeps. Easy prey.

And judging from the posts here, she would be ware for a very good reason.

I'd strike first, as a preventive measure.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Parts on November 11, 2013, 10:27:04 AM
And, if that girl had her mother with her, you can count on it that her mother already has got a first impression of you. If you looked eager, she will be wary, very wary. Too many autistic girls (and boys) have fallen victim to creeps. Easy prey.

And judging from the posts here, she would be ware for a very good reason.

I'd strike first, as a preventive measure.

See guns are a useful tool in the right hands :zoinks:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 11, 2013, 10:42:39 AM
Yeah, I should be locked in for being interested in women. Makes perfect sense.

I realize that it is a difficult situation, but I don't really know how difficult. In psychiatry for example, it was considered normal to get to know each other and form relationships. But if it is on the streets, why can't the same thing happen? Or rather how?

Wondering if you should talk to someone, and right after that posting a link to porn to show us what you look like just sounds a little off to the usual way of introducing yourself to someone in the street.

It's not the wanting to introduce oneself that makes it weird and scary, that in itself is fine. It is the whole setting that makes it way beyond awkward.


And, if that girl had her mother with her, you can count on it that her mother already has got a first impression of you. If you looked eager, she will be wary, very wary. Too many autistic girls (and boys) have fallen victim to creeps. Easy prey.

This is an 18+ site, what has the porn link to do with it? That guy just looked very similar. That he was in a fisting porn clip was just coincidence and it is still appropriate to this forum. I know people are superficial and ruling out that I look like a rapist or something was important I think.

What is the whole setting? Talking to someone rather arbitrarily on the street? It is a bit awkward, but normal people do it too.

I just want to get to know her. I think normal people would rather not approach someone who looks like they have a mental disability. No clue why or how the mother would get overly protective.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: ZEGH8578 on November 11, 2013, 11:51:14 AM
Talking to someone rather arbitrarily on the street? It is a bit awkward, but normal people do it too.

No, hitting on someone with the desperate hope of fucking as soon as possible. That is beyond awkward, and only perverted lunatics do it. Join their club!
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Semicolon on November 11, 2013, 12:05:09 PM
I don't think you should date her unless she has a big penis. Otherwise, she wouldn't be worth your time. :orly:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 11, 2013, 12:55:09 PM
Can't you take anything serious? Like having real relationships and stuff :( .
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Semicolon on November 11, 2013, 02:31:53 PM
Can't you take anything serious? Like having real relationships and stuff :( .

I can, on occasion.

You mentioned nothing about her but her physical characteristics and that you think that she's autistic.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Genesis on November 11, 2013, 02:52:40 PM
You sick Fuck!
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 11, 2013, 02:56:57 PM
??????????/
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: P7PSP on November 11, 2013, 05:45:53 PM
I don't think you should date her unless she has a big penis. Otherwise, she wouldn't be worth your time. :orly:
Can't you take anything deep?  :hahaha:
He told you Semi.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: TheoK on November 11, 2013, 06:12:31 PM
Here is another lady for DFGL  :orly:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Pyraxis on November 11, 2013, 06:24:08 PM
ruling out that I look like a rapist or something was important I think.

Who cares whether you look like a rapist? You act like a rapist. People are going to pick up on those vibes and then you'll be left wondering why you're being avoided for no apparent reason.

You're pushy as shit. If you want to come off as non-creepy, you have to take things far slower than you do.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 11, 2013, 06:58:47 PM
How do I act like a rapist?

How am I pushy? I like things settled, because autism.

I know I wrote you excess messages, but I thought you were the kind of person who would understand how it is.

I can only really pursue or forget about things :( .
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Pyraxis on November 11, 2013, 07:40:46 PM
Then you'd best stick to the borderlines who will be responsive to that kind of all or nothing approach.

You may like things settled, and that is understandable with day-to-day things, but you cannot allow your autistic focus to become attached to things which are intrusive to a person you are trying to approach. Like oh say what's in their pants.  :P Other other intimate personal details like that. That is how boundaries get violated and that is how rapes happen. Not every woman will have the confidence to tell you to fuck off when they get uncomfortable, loudly and forcefully enough for it to penetrate your haze of self-righteous "logic".
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: P7PSP on November 11, 2013, 07:54:24 PM
I like things settled, because autism.

I know I wrote you excess messages, but I thought you were the kind of person who would understand how it is.

I can only really pursue or forget about things :( .
It is because stupid not because autism. Fucking moron.  :thumbdn:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Genesis on November 11, 2013, 08:32:58 PM
First of all going after someone especially a woman (autistic or not) is an all time low. If you take advantage of someone because of their vulnerability then you are just pathetic.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: odeon on November 11, 2013, 11:47:41 PM
And, if that girl had her mother with her, you can count on it that her mother already has got a first impression of you. If you looked eager, she will be wary, very wary. Too many autistic girls (and boys) have fallen victim to creeps. Easy prey.

And judging from the posts here, she would be ware for a very good reason.

I'd strike first, as a preventive measure.

See guns are a useful tool in the right hands :zoinks:

:laugh:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 01:17:34 AM
Then you'd best stick to the borderlines who will be responsive to that kind of all or nothing approach.

You may like things settled, and that is understandable with day-to-day things, but you cannot allow your autistic focus to become attached to things which are intrusive to a person you are trying to approach. Like oh say what's in their pants.  :P Other other intimate personal details like that. That is how boundaries get violated and that is how rapes happen. Not every woman will have the confidence to tell you to fuck off when they get uncomfortable, loudly and forcefully enough for it to penetrate your haze of self-righteous "logic".

I don't get it really. Why not share emotions? Why hide and lie about it? Do you think any male is not simultaneously interested in sex when talking to attractive women? What does that have to do with anything? What's the premise of all this?

Your rapist logic makes no sense to me either. Rape either happens when someone's sex drive goes out of control or when they are just being criminal, in disrespect of other people for personal gains. There are only those two options, either you can maintain the control or not. Like any other crime, it only occurs when the criminal can believe there is some chance to get away with it. If you can rule out those factors no rape will occur. I am neither unjust, nor do I have real self-control issues. Rape doesn't happen because someone asks intimate questions is socially inappropriate or honest, that is pretty nonsensical. I don't think anyone believes in that.


Anyway, contrary to most I have social experience. And I am aware that all the things I essentially have done are socially appropriate in the correct chains of events and context, given certain premises I can't understand. Except being honest, I have never seen that. Woman turns her back, man makes ass grabbing motions to male friends. No word about that to her, but understandably it is the truth to every male, everyone can empathize. Although they wouldn't be as blunt to show it in fear of being caught. Why can't you live with that truth, or rather how can you not be aware? What is the deception all about? Why do you want to be deceived? Why is honesty so scorned only if it comes to mating?

Nothing I said really relates to you or your particular situation. It is the general style and social awareness that I am questioning and that everyone seems to stick to. They say you can only learn by experience if it comes to dating, but that is really nonsense if you can't make any sense of it.

Please someone for once truthfully explain it.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 02:56:29 AM
Seriously, what is this shit?
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 12, 2013, 05:12:53 AM
Seriously, what is this shit?

  Seriously, why should you even have to bother with the conversation? 
   Every female you want to have sex with should just mutely comply.  ::)
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 05:24:23 AM
Maybe in fantasy land. Men can't help wanting sex and being attracted to women. So what I actually mean is this (the reasonable scenario):
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 12, 2013, 05:25:49 AM
Maybe in fantasy land. What I actually mean is this:

  You missed my sarcasm.  Your hostility toward women is not going to help you get sex.  ::)
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 05:28:05 AM
I don't know how to put it simpler than in the diagram. IT IS NOT ABOUT GETTING SEX. It is about acknowledging a persons real feelings and REACTING REASONABLE to it. Why lie, why deceive? Why react like being shit in the face? What for?
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 12, 2013, 05:32:49 AM
I don't know how to put it simpler than in the diagram. IT IS NOT ABOUT GETTING SEX. It is about acknowledging a persons real feelings and REACTING REASONABLE to it. Why lie, why deceive? Why react like being shit in the face? What for?

  So you would be perfectly happy if woman after woman ackowledged your desire to have sex with them,
   and refused?  What are they lying about?  If they are reacting  "like being shit in the face,"  it sounds as if
   they are refusing to have sex with you in a way that is actually TOO honest for your liking.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 05:45:26 AM
If no woman wanted sex with me after I told them, the outcome would be identical to not telling them. The point is not really getting sex but sharing thoughts and emotions, honesty within any kind of relationship, acknowledging each other, not being required to act false or posed.

I don't mean "why are women lying" obviously, but why do women require men to lie about it, hide it, deceive them?

You see, all heterosexual men think of 'sex' (or rather instinctive attraction designed to lead to sex) and want sex with women all the time, everywhere. It is simply what it means to be male. It cannot be changed and is not voluntary.

Contrary to that, how involuntary can it be to react deeply offended and feel like being shit in the face? That is an entirely different reaction, it is social and relies on acquired social rules and your understanding of the other person's intentions and feelings.

So being 'honest' about feeling like shit in the face doesn't change that it is open to modification, it can be changed without consequence, whereas having a certain sexuality and sex drive is not. Why do I need to acknowledge a self-chosen irrational reaction? And why am I not acknowledged as simply being human on the most fundamental level you can think of?


Do you see the misfit circumstances?
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 05:47:19 AM
I am compulsorily honest. That is my defect with the existing social rules and I find that deeply disturbing.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 12, 2013, 05:53:56 AM
If no woman wanted sex with me after I told them, the outcome would be identical to not telling them. The point is not really getting sex but sharing thoughts and emotions, honesty within any kind of relationship, acknowledging each other, not being required to act false or posed.

I don't mean "why are women lying" obviously, but why do women require men to lie about it, hide it, deceive them?

You see, all heterosexual men think of 'sex' (or rather instinctive attraction designed to lead to sex) and want sex with women all the time, everywhere. It is simply what it means to be male. It cannot be changed and is not voluntary.

Contrary to that, how involuntary can it be to react deeply offended and feel like being shit in the face? That is an entirely different reaction, it is social and relies on acquired social rules and your understanding of the other person's intentions and feelings.

So being 'honest' about feeling like shit in the face doesn't change that it is open to modification, it can be changed without consequence, whereas having a certain sexuality and sex drive is not. Why do I need to acknowledge a self-chosen irrational reaction? And why am I not acknowledged as simply being human on the most fundamental level you can think of?


Do you see the misfit circumstances?

  Maybe you can't help being sexually attracted to every woman you meet, including the underage, but you could
   keep it to yourself for the first few conversations without consequence.  If you don't have the manners to do that,
   why should women lie to you and pretend they are not disgusted? 
   Their disgust may be just as involuntary as your sex drive.  ::)
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 12, 2013, 05:59:19 AM
@ DFGL
Boundaries, written and unwritten, getting to know when not to cross them. That could be a good new obsession for you.
Using your autism as an excuse to be brutally honest and to cross borders of comfortzones when it comes to sex or privacy will not do.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 06:12:31 AM
@couldbecousin:

If find what you propose really offensive, in the sense of being inhumane logic. And it doesn't really address the core issue.

Firstly, 'disgust' is a slight mis-wording here, because usually disgust is related to an impulsive if not merely biological reaction to something naturally nauseous (like the smell of spoiled food).

What you effectively mean here is that you disapprove of and find the emotional reaction of the man (which he can't help to have) unpleasant to your expectations, for whatever reason. But that is hard to back up morally, because within every other social convention you would be required to lower or change your expectations in order to accommodate for the other individual's nature. For example, if the dog is licking your hand you are not supposed to be deeply disgusted and offended and throw him into the animal shelter. If someone has Tourette's and insults you, you are not supposed to feel insulted. And it even works to learn that if the reaction is natural, because our social reaction relies upon our understanding of the other individual's feelings and capabilities.
Yes, dogs can be conditioned to not lick hands, although some will never learn without punishment, and people with Tourettes can hold back their tics, maybe even for a whole day if they really try. But to instantly and/or permanently require it with everyone is usually not considered humane.

But this is not so by social norms relating to mating, it is entirely backwards. Why? And I am simply no exception with my sex drive. Every male who tells you differently is in essence bullshitting you. Sex drive doesn't equal personality doesn't equal social appropriateness of course, etc. Those would be the 'excuses' or fudge factors to avoid making the concession that goes against all social rules and the incoherency within them.

Yes, I can keep things to myself. Yes, I can lie and deceive. But I don't want to. I have this compulsion to be open and honest and it must exist for other reasons.

Thus, I still question why you require the silence and deception about it? What has it really to do with reasonable manners to be dishonest? I mean, manners rely on social environments, they are circumstantial. There aren't simply 'the manners' everywhere you can invoke upon arbitrarily. If I fart at home while in this forum, no one cares, because it makes no difference. Neither to you nor to myself. But not being fully acknowledged as human does, while simply knowledge doesn't. It just doesn't fit together, it is all incoherent.

@hykeaswell:
I am not trying to make excuses here, or gain anything. I am questioning the whole system, because it is shit and because I don't understand it and that is the only way to learn.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 12, 2013, 06:19:09 AM
  I have an impulsive biological reaction of DISGUST, yes, to someone who has posted that his 12-year-old half-sister
   is  "a female pheromone bomb,"  and that  "luckily"  he is not around her often.  Maybe some of that creepy vibe is
   coming across when you proposition all these women from whom you feel ENTITLED to a kind and tactful refusal.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 12, 2013, 06:20:39 AM
@hykeaswell:
I am not trying to make excuses here, or gain anything. I am questioning the whole system, because it is shit and because I don't understand it and that is the only way to learn.

So, make learning about boundaries and how not to cross them your obsession. The world is not going to change. It will take time to learn the rules by actively learning them. But, it will make life easier.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 12, 2013, 06:25:49 AM
Disgust is a reaction I have had more than once, on an unwanted approach, btw.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 06:29:04 AM
  I have an impulsive biological reaction of DISGUST, yes, to someone who has posted that his 12-year-old half-sister
   is  "a female pheromone bomb,"  and that  "luckily"  he is not around her often.  Maybe some of that creepy vibe is
   coming across when you proposition all these women from whom you feel ENTITLED to a kind and tactful refusal.

And if you put that into the context of the logic of my argument (instead of utilizing the incoherent, irrational ruleset I criticized), how does that make any sense at all?
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: TheoK on November 12, 2013, 06:30:50 AM
I think DFGL will be a good little boy after Miss Mariana has given him his leche  :orly:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 12, 2013, 06:32:28 AM
  I have an impulsive biological reaction of DISGUST, yes, to someone who has posted that his 12-year-old half-sister
   is  "a female pheromone bomb,"  and that  "luckily"  he is not around her often.  Maybe some of that creepy vibe is
   coming across when you proposition all these women from whom you feel ENTITLED to a kind and tactful refusal.

And if you put that into the context of the logic of my argument (instead of utilizing the incoherent, irrational ruleset I criticized), how does that make any sense at all?

   It makes sense because you are not a dog, and your expressions of your horniness are voluntary, unlike the tics of Tourette's.
   As for the ruleset being  "incoherent"  and  "irrational,"  too bad.  If you want women to have sex with you, you'd better
   understand why your blunt demands are not working, and find a way to make yourself more palatable.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 12, 2013, 06:33:29 AM
  I have an impulsive biological reaction of DISGUST, yes, to someone who has posted that his 12-year-old half-sister
   is  "a female pheromone bomb,"  and that  "luckily"  he is not around her often.  Maybe some of that creepy vibe is
   coming across when you proposition all these women from whom you feel ENTITLED to a kind and tactful refusal.

And if you put that into the context of the logic of my argument (instead of utilizing the incoherent, irrational ruleset I criticized), how does that make any sense at all?

The logic of your thread was gone, the moment you posted a link to porn with a post about wanting to approach a hand clapping gir, accompanied by her mother. Your associations have tainted all possible logic. Your history of only talking about sex tainted it even more. But, even if this had been your first post on I2, the combination the link and the post blew the logic out of the proverbial window.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 06:37:49 AM
Just entirely irrational, I can't argue against so much logical fallacies and avoidance of addressing what I said. What has the porn link to do with anything, despite that there is a guy in it who looks similar to me? The answer is: nothing. I am adult, I watch porn, entirely normal. There is nothing whatsoever here that would make any logic disappear. It is just stupid bias, sorry.


My only hope is that Pyraxis will respond.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 12, 2013, 06:42:32 AM
Just entirely irrational, I can't argue against so much logical fallacies and avoidance of addressing what I said. What has the porn link to do with anything, despite that there is a guy in it who looks similar to me? The answer is: nothing. I am adult, I watch porn, entirely normal. There is nothing whatsoever here that would make any logic disappear. It is just stupid bias, sorry.


My only hope is that Pyraxis will respond.

Minds work with association. Also for most spazzes on this board.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 06:44:18 AM
It makes sense because you are not a dog, and your expressions of your horniness are voluntary, unlike the tics of Tourette's.
   As for the ruleset being  "incoherent"  and  "irrational,"  too bad.  If you want women to have sex with you, you'd better
   understand why your blunt demands are not working, and find a way to make yourself more palatable.

What you said makes sense if you assume that it makes any sense to be dishonest about and concealing your feelings, given current social norms, but not if the premise is that people are open and understanding towards each other, just like with other topics, and that the social norms are misfit to that. Which is basically the core issue I raised, what the argument you referred to was based upon, and which you entirely ignored ...
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 12, 2013, 06:45:32 AM
My only hope is that Pyraxis will respond.

Her ask away thread seems to give away that you do not respect her boundaries.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 06:46:49 AM
Minds work with association. Also for most spazzes on this board.

Sorry, but to be insulting here: I don't assume that you are all fucking retards who's comprehension doesn't go beyond "autistic girl + BDSM fisting porn" = "autistic girl rape".
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 06:48:51 AM
My only hope is that Pyraxis will respond.

Her ask away thread seems to give away that you do not respect her boundaries.

Yes, because I can't help my feelings :( . I cannot understand her reaction. There was another woman I was obsessed about and I wrote her about it. She was the only one who ever responded to and reasonably addressed it, after which I sufficiently understood her rationale and thus could emotionally react appropriately.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 12, 2013, 06:53:22 AM
It makes sense because you are not a dog, and your expressions of your horniness are voluntary, unlike the tics of Tourette's.
   As for the ruleset being  "incoherent"  and  "irrational,"  too bad.  If you want women to have sex with you, you'd better
   understand why your blunt demands are not working, and find a way to make yourself more palatable.

What you said makes sense if you assume that it makes any sense to be dishonest about and concealing your feelings, given current social norms, but not if the premise is that people are open and understanding towards each other, just like with other topics, and that the social norms are misfit to that. Which is basically the core issue I raised and which you entirely ignored ...

   Given the lack of success you have had with women by bluntly propositioning them,
   it would make sense for you to take their reactions into consideration and learn to conceal your erection until you've
   known them awhile, talking about things other than your erection.  You know, get to know them as whole people,
   and not just as pheromone bombs and receptacles for your dick.  That kind of patience and maturity might make
   you more likely to win women over.  But maybe you'd rather just rant all day about how irrational women are and
   how wrong the social norms are.  How's that working out for you?  :duh:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 06:58:12 AM
   Given the lack of success you have had with women by bluntly propositioning them,
   it would make sense for you to take their reactions into consideration and learn to conceal your erection until you've
   known them awhile, talking about things other than your erection.  You know, get to know them as whole people,
   and not just as pheromone bombs and receptacles for your dick.  That kind of patience and maturity might make
   you more likely to win women over.  But maybe you'd rather just rant all day about how irrational women are and
   how wrong the social norms are.  How's that working out for you?  :duh:


It only gives me better knowledge instead of immediate emotional gains. Which is partly why I still have the compulsions I have.

Making sense of the world > emotional profit

Also here, another misinterpretative statement: Sexual interest and everything else is not mutually exclusive, which has been extremely clear if you look at the diagram. It is just something that always occurs, and doesn't really determine any immediate actions, nor does it constitute real interest by itself. I have not PMed Pyraxis about sex and cocks and that is not what I do.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 12, 2013, 06:59:36 AM
My only hope is that Pyraxis will respond.

Her ask away thread seems to give away that you do not respect her boundaries.

Yes, because I can't help my feelings :( . I cannot understand her reaction. There was another woman I was obsessed about and I wrote her about it. She was the only one who ever responded to and reasonably addressed it, after which I sufficiently understood her rationale and thus could emotionally react appropriately.

What I have seen of Py, she is very clear in her reactions. If her reaction is to ask you to stop pm-ing, I can not see what is not to be understood about that.

You begging for punishment after that is as if you think you are now in a kind of sm relation with her.
What was the point of apologizing for PM's if you're going to keep sending them? I'm pissed the fuck off. Why should I take anything you say seriously if you can't stand by your words?
I was being emotional again :( . I am sorry. I think I need punishment or else I won't learn.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 12, 2013, 07:01:21 AM
   Given the lack of success you have had with women by bluntly propositioning them,
   it would make sense for you to take their reactions into consideration and learn to conceal your erection until you've
   known them awhile, talking about things other than your erection.  You know, get to know them as whole people,
   and not just as pheromone bombs and receptacles for your dick.  That kind of patience and maturity might make
   you more likely to win women over.  But maybe you'd rather just rant all day about how irrational women are and
   how wrong the social norms are.  How's that working out for you?  :duh:


It only gives me better knowledge instead of immediate emotional gains. Which is partly why I still have the compulsions I have.

Making sense of the world > emotional profit

  Then why complain?  Continue to creep women out with pushy sexual overtures, continue to be rejected,
   continue to feel sorry for yourself and to rage against social norms.  Maybe you're really happier this way.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 07:10:49 AM
What I have seen of Py, she is very clear in her reactions. If her reaction is to ask you to stop pm-ing, I can not see what is not to be understood about that.

You begging for punishment after that is as if you think you are now in a kind of sm relation with her.

She said it is annoying that I spam her with PMs. But I do not understand why she doesn't respond. So I thought maybe I said the wrong things or it were the wrong topics.

Also it is true that the only alternative to a complete rational understanding of the whole social aspect on my part is operand conditioning. Maybe she would like that? How do you know she doesn't?


She has never been clear about that. Real sadism doesn't really require intimacy or relationships, just targets. It is socially entirely different.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 12, 2013, 07:17:02 AM
What I have seen of Py, she is very clear in her reactions. If her reaction is to ask you to stop pm-ing, I can not see what is not to be understood about that.

You begging for punishment after that is as if you think you are now in a kind of sm relation with her.

She said it is annoying that I spam her with PMs. But I do not understand why she doesn't respond. So I thought maybe I said the wrong things or it were the wrong topics.

Also it is true that the only alternative to a complete rational understanding of the whole social aspect on my part is operand conditioning. Maybe she would like that? How do you know she doesn't?


She has never been clear about that. Real sadism doesn't really require intimacy or relationships, it is socially entirely different.

  I won't presume to speak for anyone else, but if someone told ME to stop spamming him or her with PMs,
   I would stop spamming him or her with PMs.  That would be a RATIONAL response.  Do as the person says.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 07:19:26 AM
Yes, I said it was an emotional reaction. Like being human and shit :/ .
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 12, 2013, 07:20:44 AM
What I have seen of Py, she is very clear in her reactions. If her reaction is to ask you to stop pm-ing, I can not see what is not to be understood about that.

You begging for punishment after that is as if you think you are now in a kind of sm relation with her.

She said it is annoying that I spam her with PMs. But I do not understand why she doesn't respond. So I thought maybe I said the wrong things or it were the wrong topics.

Also it is true that the only alternative to a complete rational understanding of the whole social aspect on my part is operand conditioning. Maybe she would like that? How do you know she doesn't?


She has never been clear about that. Real sadism doesn't really require intimacy or relationships, it is socially entirely different.

I can't answer for Py.

But, when I see you answering her
Quote
I was being emotional again :( . I am sorry. I think I need punishment or else I won't learn.
you make Py responsible for your actions. You need punishment, and you address Py telling so.
It is you, and you alone, who is responsible for your actions.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 07:28:33 AM
Why do you always project the designation of responsibilities into everything?

How is she responsible for how I am? Makes no sense to begin with.

You aren't responsible for the dogs in the animal shelter either, although you can take one and then you are until you give it away again.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 12, 2013, 07:31:04 AM
Why do you always project the designation of responsibilities into everything?

How is she responsible for how I am? Makes no sense to begin with.

You aren't responsible for the dogs in the animal shelter either, although you can take one and then you are until you give it away again.

You did ask for punishment, didn't you? I assumed you asked her to punish you. Correct me if I am wrong. If you asked her to do so, to correct you, in order to learn, you make her responsible for your learning.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Pyraxis on November 12, 2013, 11:59:08 AM
My only hope is that Pyraxis will respond.

Hyke is correct; despite your wish to avoid situational associations like the placement of a porn video and its resemblence to you alongside a post about approaching an autistic girl who is with her mother, your listeners will be making those associations in their minds. In this case those associations point directly to child porn, ie the placement of the autistic girl in a porn video with you as the man.

I also told you why I wasn't responding. Even aside from the disgust factor, I work full time and my evenings have been busy. You chose to ignore that information because it didn't fit your fantasies.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 12, 2013, 12:19:59 PM
Those 'associations' you are talking about sound rather like psychotic delusions to me. Like real thought disorders :/ . I don't know, that is the kind of nonsense I cannot understand about people. If there is a guy in a porn movie, there is a guy in a porn movie. How can I be that person? Or what are they even thinking?

You told me why you weren't responding, but still quite some PMs were on a level of yes/no, very easy and quick to answer, nothing intrusive and it really didn't seem like the issue was that you had no time to reply but rather that you didn't on purpose. I don't know anything about a disgust factor :( .

You were online on the forum and I saw you and wrote you 'how are you doing?' or something and you didn't reply :''((( . My fantasy is that we have really long discussions and then you get angry and electroshock me for disagreeing with you, but that is not even what any of this is about :'((((( .
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: TheoK on November 12, 2013, 12:24:29 PM
 :wanker: :violin:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Pyraxis on November 12, 2013, 06:25:30 PM
Yeah that about sums it up.  :violin: While it's true you did send a couple polite PM's, that was after I told you to quit PM'ing me. Besides, any desire to talk to you was countered by your posts about trying to find photos of me and measure the length of my arms and the size of my forehead and such bullshit. Sum total = pissed off. And I do not want to communicate by PM, period.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: RageBeoulve on November 13, 2013, 11:00:12 AM
Yeah that about sums it up.  :violin: While it's true you did send a couple polite PM's, that was after I told you to quit PM'ing me. Besides, any desire to talk to you was countered by your posts about trying to find photos of me and measure the length of my arms and the size of my forehead and such bullshit. Sum total = pissed off. And I do not want to communicate by PM, period.

*claps you on the shoulder, gives a firm squeeze*

He's a space cadet. I told everyone this right off the bat. My offer of spiderman flooding still stands.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Genesis on November 13, 2013, 02:19:59 PM
Yeah that about sums it up.  :violin: While it's true you did send a couple polite PM's, that was after I told you to quit PM'ing me. Besides, any desire to talk to you was countered by your posts about trying to find photos of me and measure the length of my arms and the size of my forehead and such bullshit. Sum total = pissed off. And I do not want to communicate by PM, period.

*claps you on the shoulder, gives a firm squeeze*

He's a space cadet. I told everyone this right off the bat. My offer of spiderman flooding still stands.

Add the lolcats, and other necessities...
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: RageBeoulve on November 13, 2013, 02:23:33 PM
Indeed. I might need a bit of help to perform this exorcism, though. He's dug in pretty far.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 13, 2013, 03:23:21 PM
Yeah that about sums it up.  :violin: While it's true you did send a couple polite PM's, that was after I told you to quit PM'ing me. Besides, any desire to talk to you was countered by your posts about trying to find photos of me and measure the length of my arms and the size of my forehead and such bullshit. Sum total = pissed off. And I do not want to communicate by PM, period.

:'( . That sounds pretty harsh though. I never talked about measuring, if then visually assessing and the primary intention was to accurately draw you naked which is not bullshit but art driven by affection.

I told you that I am also afraid of transgendered people, because of experience.

I do not recall being told to quit writing PMs but merely that you said it was annoying and I apologized for it.

I cannot emotionally understand why you are pissed off, other than that you intend to punish me <3 .
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: RageBeoulve on November 13, 2013, 03:27:06 PM
Yeah that about sums it up.  :violin: While it's true you did send a couple polite PM's, that was after I told you to quit PM'ing me. Besides, any desire to talk to you was countered by your posts about trying to find photos of me and measure the length of my arms and the size of my forehead and such bullshit. Sum total = pissed off. And I do not want to communicate by PM, period.

:'( . That sounds pretty harsh though. I never talked about measuring, if then visually assessing and the primary intention was to accurately draw you naked which is not bullshit but art driven by affection.

I told you that I am also afraid of transgendered people, because of experience.

I do not recall being told to quit writing PMs but merely that you said it was annoying and I apologized for it.

I cannot emotionally understand why you are pissed off, other than that you intend to punish me <3 .

I'll spell it out. She doesn't want to fucking talk to you, she wants nothing to do with you. This means she doesn't want to "punish you", she wants you to leave her the fuck alone. YOU ARE HARASSING MY FUCKING FRIEND, BOY. LEAVE HER ALONE.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 13, 2013, 03:35:47 PM
I do not believe that you can reasonably project her intentions, neither did you reflect well what she actually said.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: RageBeoulve on November 13, 2013, 03:37:40 PM
I do not believe that you can reasonably project her intentions, neither did you reflect well what she actually said.

I'm projecting my intentions. Leave my fucking friend alone or i'll share these concerns with Odeon. I don't think he's a very big fan of harassment either, kid.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 13, 2013, 04:13:54 PM
  If someone tells you something you do is annoying, how hard is it to figure out that you should stop doing it?
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: 'andersom' on November 13, 2013, 04:30:57 PM
Yeah that about sums it up.  :violin: While it's true you did send a couple polite PM's, that was after I told you to quit PM'ing me. Besides, any desire to talk to you was countered by your posts about trying to find photos of me and measure the length of my arms and the size of my forehead and such bullshit. Sum total = pissed off. And I do not want to communicate by PM, period.

:'( . That sounds pretty harsh though. I never talked about measuring, if then visually assessing and the primary intention was to accurately draw you naked which is not bullshit but art driven by affection.

I told you that I am also afraid of transgendered people, because of experience.

I do not recall being told to quit writing PMs but merely that you said it was annoying and I apologized for it.

I cannot emotionally understand why you are pissed off, other than that you intend to punish me <3 .

You are assuming a relationship that is not there.

One of the clearest people on this board, if she doesn't want or like things, is Py.


You're using stalker tactics.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: odeon on November 13, 2013, 05:36:56 PM
Anyway, contrary to most I have social experience.

:rofl:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: odeon on November 13, 2013, 05:41:10 PM
How's that working out for you?  :duh:

QFT
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: odeon on November 13, 2013, 05:42:48 PM
What I have seen of Py, she is very clear in her reactions. If her reaction is to ask you to stop pm-ing, I can not see what is not to be understood about that.

You begging for punishment after that is as if you think you are now in a kind of sm relation with her.

She said it is annoying that I spam her with PMs. But I do not understand why she doesn't respond. So I thought maybe I said the wrong things or it were the wrong topics.

Also it is true that the only alternative to a complete rational understanding of the whole social aspect on my part is operand conditioning. Maybe she would like that? How do you know she doesn't?


She has never been clear about that. Real sadism doesn't really require intimacy or relationships, just targets. It is socially entirely different.

Idiot. Take a hint, for once in your life.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: TheoK on November 13, 2013, 05:43:54 PM
Also - she already has a man.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: TheoK on November 13, 2013, 05:45:58 PM
DFGL has all bad traits of Buttcoffee, General Razorbeard and Soleiyu without possessing any of the wit that at least Buttcoffee and Sol could show at occasions.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: odeon on November 13, 2013, 05:47:17 PM
I do not believe that you can reasonably project her intentions, neither did you reflect well what she actually said.

I'm projecting my intentions. Leave my fucking friend alone or i'll share these concerns with Odeon. I don't think he's a very big fan of harassment either, kid.

I'm not, but it's for Py to decide.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: on November 13, 2013, 05:58:07 PM
Well, you can construe all you want but the reality is that I did obey her and had no intention of doing otherwise.

Anyway, I doubt that all will be of any importance to me in the future. Things are changing. I might soon fade. The last step has to be taken.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: odeon on November 13, 2013, 06:01:47 PM
Well, you can construe all you want but the reality is that I did obey her and had no intention of doing otherwise.

Anyway, I doubt that all will be of any importance to me in the future. Things are changing. I might soon fade. The last step has to be taken.

Drama queen.
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: TheoK on November 13, 2013, 06:03:11 PM
Vale, stulte! Bene i!  :M
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: RageBeoulve on November 13, 2013, 06:59:05 PM
I do not believe that you can reasonably project her intentions, neither did you reflect well what she actually said.

I'm projecting my intentions. Leave my fucking friend alone or i'll share these concerns with Odeon. I don't think he's a very big fan of harassment either, kid.

I'm not, but it's for Py to decide.

Definitely. And I think she's made herself very clear more than once. Glad you see this, O-man. *fist bump*


Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: Genesis on November 13, 2013, 09:09:06 PM
Indeed. I might need a bit of help to perform this exorcism, though. He's dug in pretty far.

Exorcism? Seriously??? You're going with that? You need a machete and a Jackhammer
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: P7PSP on November 13, 2013, 09:30:21 PM
Well, you can construe all you want but the reality is that I did obey her and had no intention of doing otherwise.

Anyway, I doubt that all will be of any importance to me in the future. Things are changing. I might soon fade. The last step has to be taken.
:fos:
Title: Re: Saw autistic woman on the street twice, approach?
Post by: RageBeoulve on November 14, 2013, 07:46:09 PM
Indeed. I might need a bit of help to perform this exorcism, though. He's dug in pretty far.

Exorcism? Seriously??? You're going with that? You need a machete and a Jackhammer

I've chased off worse than him before, actually.