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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: El on October 01, 2013, 06:12:41 AM
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Jesus fucking CHRIST.
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:viking:
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Think that's bad? Wait until the 17th of October when the debt ceiling is reached and the U.S is possibly forced to default.
It'll make the financial crisis of 2008 look like mundane in comparison.
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Some of the things they shut are ridiculous. The National Mall is closed and it's illegal to go and look at the memorials or even walk across the grass. I'm not talking about going in anything just walking around outside. Same goes for the National parks, I understand the shutting down of services but you are not permitted to enter and use the stuff that doesn't require any. They are taking a big chance with this after all the doom and gloom hype as they did with the sequester, most people will be unaffected and they might just begin to see we don't need such a big government. If they continue and they don't reach some sort of agreement before the 17 and everything crashes I feel everyone will blame the Tea Party with their no compromise bullshit and rightly so.
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Some of the things they shut are ridiculous. The National Mall is closed and it's illegal to go and look at the memorials or even walk across the grass. I'm not talking about going in anything just walking around outside. Same goes for the National parks, I understand the shutting down of services but you are not permitted to enter and use the stuff that doesn't require any. They are taking a big chance with this after all the doom and gloom hype as they did with the sequester, most people will be unaffected and they might just begin to see we don't need such a big government. If they continue and they don't reach some sort of agreement before the 17 and everything crashes I feel everyone will blame the Tea Party with their no compromise bullshit and rightly so.
I blame the tea party, I blame Obama, I blame the house and senate, and I blame an apathetic citizenry. Its all our faults, man.
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Meanwhile Bil Gates
invests donates to own help Africa
http://techrights.org/2013/05/28/marching-against-monopoly/ (http://techrights.org/2013/05/28/marching-against-monopoly/)
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Some of the things they shut are ridiculous. The National Mall is closed and it's illegal to go and look at the memorials or even walk across the grass. I'm not talking about going in anything just walking around outside. Same goes for the National parks, I understand the shutting down of services but you are not permitted to enter and use the stuff that doesn't require any. They are taking a big chance with this after all the doom and gloom hype as they did with the sequester, most people will be unaffected and they might just begin to see we don't need such a big government. If they continue and they don't reach some sort of agreement before the 17 and everything crashes I feel everyone will blame the Tea Party with their no compromise bullshit and rightly so.
I blame the tea party, I blame Obama, I blame the house and senate, and I blame an apathetic citizenry. Its all our faults, man.
I do also but in the past they would get together and compromise, the Tea Party has taken that off the list of options in general, I am not saying the Democrats have no fault but they seem to be at least open to talking about it. I feel that they really need to just replace everyone in both houses regardless of party and set term limits
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LOL :plus:
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I'm kind of excited about this. You know that feeling of relief when you finally break up with someone who was draining the lifesource out of you?
I get an inkling of that wonderfully euphoric feeling when I think of the government disappearing. Time for some rebuilding....so what are people's rights when this happens?
Don't burst my bubble! I am happily imagining we can just take over everything.....
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I want to see them hang from the lampposts. Won't happen this time, though.
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I'm kind of excited about this. You know that feeling of relief when you finally break up with someone who was draining the lifesource out of you?
I get an inkling of that wonderfully euphoric feeling when I think of the government disappearing. Time for some rebuilding....so what are people's rights when this happens?
Don't burst my bubble! I am happily imagining we can just take over everything.....
I would also rather shoot for a best case scenario.
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The 17th is pretty fucking terrifying.
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Fortis es, puella! :viking:
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Yeah srsly.
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Australia 1975. :zoinks:
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I Support Obamacare over the Affordable Care Act ;)
Six of One - Obamacare vs. The Affordable Care Act (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE#)
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I Support Obamacare over the Affordable Care Act ;)
Six of One - Obamacare vs. The Affordable Care Act (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE#)
My blood is burning.
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Why the shutdown though. My understanding is that it was over the Ombamacare bill that has been signed off by both parties already. Why is this still being fought. Why are they still blocking Obama over everything? Why not (as a government) work co-operatively for the community good instead of getting into head-heads over everything to the point where a shutdown occurs?
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Why the shutdown though. My understanding is that it was over the Ombamacare bill that has been signed off by both parties already. Why is this still being fought. Why are they still blocking Obama over everything? Why not (as a government) work co-operatively for the community good instead of getting into head-heads over everything to the point where a shutdown occurs?
Or why don't they fucking fix it so its not a fucking trollfest instead of arguing about it?
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Why the shutdown though. My understanding is that it was over the Ombamacare bill that has been signed off by both parties already. Why is this still being fought. Why are they still blocking Obama over everything? Why not (as a government) work co-operatively for the community good instead of getting into head-heads over everything to the point where a shutdown occurs?
It's law. It was law, and then people voted for the President again, and as we have seen yesterday and today (with people signing up for the health care) it is obviously something people need and are utilising. A few ppl in gov't are trying to reverse it for stupid reasons that don't make any sense. They don't base their logic on research, on economics, or on ethics. I have no idea what they base it on...they are shutting down the government because they are butthurt plain and simple.
There are legit things they could be trying to fix about the act, such as being more inclusive of natives, but thats not the topic of the gov't opposition. They want to scrap it altogether. They are idiots plain and simple.
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Why the shutdown though. My understanding is that it was over the Ombamacare bill that has been signed off by both parties already. Why is this still being fought. Why are they still blocking Obama over everything? Why not (as a government) work co-operatively for the community good instead of getting into head-heads over everything to the point where a shutdown occurs?
It's law. It was law, and then people voted for the President again, and as we have seen yesterday and today (with people signing up for the health care) it is obviously something people need and are utilising. A few ppl in gov't are trying to reverse it for stupid reasons that don't make any sense. They don't base their logic on research, on economics, or on ethics. I have no idea what they base it on...they are shutting down the government because they are butthurt plain and simple.
There are legit things they could be trying to fix about the act, such as being more inclusive of natives, but thats not the topic of the gov't opposition. They want to scrap it altogether. They are idiots plain and simple.
Well, there are people fighting it because in this case the solution is worse than the problem. I don't agree that it should be scrapped though. We need higher quality healthcare in the worst way. These assholes need to remember who pays them, and start solving this problem for real instead of throwing out a bunch of half ass solutions and bitching at each other over whats better.
We need to fire them and elect new people. Also strengthen our constitution.
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Fucking right. The federal government needs to be made to shrink dramatically also, rather than being like a gigantic, poisonous, greasy spider in a web spun from lies, propaganda and the stupidity of sheeple.
Of all the organizations they shut down, I was surprised, and truth told, horrified that the CDC was one of them. Pubmed is also affected, although run by a skeleton staff at the moment. When I saw that the CDC was down, I couldn't help but think about what the fuck is going to be done, if for instance, some deadly virus sweeps america, like one of those old flu pandemics, hantavirus outbreak, or some nasty tropical disease brought back by tourists for instance.
I hope the federal bastards suffer greatly because of this shutdown. Of course I did anyway but I loathe them even more now :
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This is only the beginning. Prepare for a decade of governmental savagery.
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How long do you guys all reckon the bullets will start flying, the extrajudicial kidnappings begin, american citizens being tortured, the first government or govt. sponsored murder?
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Give it 3 years.
Then people will start rioting.
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The question is: will the American people finally shoot at their real enemies, the government, the senators, the plutocrats?
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Lets hope so.
Although of course we all know that the politicians won't be suffering for this, not on a personal level.
If there is rioting then it can only be hoped the senate gets stormed whilst in session, and the 'people' spewing bullshit, lies and toddler-like temper tantrums when they don't get their way, are pulled from their seats and chopped to pieces by a gun and machete-wielding mob of really fed the fuck up, bloodthirsty, enraged citizens who are tired of being shat on from a great height by the political parties, the self-serving, greedy fucking bunch of inbreeds and dog-rapists.
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:agreed: :viking:
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WIC and HUD are the ones I'm most horrified about defunding. How the fuck housing the poor and feeding kids and young mothers are considered nonessential is beyond me.
Rioting will end up happening if enough is taken from us. If social security got defunded, I honestly think the town I work in would burn itself to the ground. It's one of those towns where most of the people are government-dependent.
That said, the people who will riot first are also largely the people who have the least power, means, and education. =/ And, frankly, health, seeing as social security goes to people who're elderly and/or disabled (and people who game the system, but, believe me, even the ones that do aren't necessarily doing all that great for themselves either).
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Not sure what those two programs are Elle.
I think shutting down the CDC though was fucking batshit insane. Center for Disease Control. They deal with bioterrorism, outbreaks of severe illnesses and are the first responders to oncoming waves of a beginning of an oncoming epidemic.
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Not sure what those two programs are Elle.
I think shutting down the CDC though was fucking batshit insane. Center for Disease Control. They deal with bioterrorism, outbreaks of severe illnesses and are the first responders to oncoming waves of a beginning of an oncoming epidemic.
Yeah the cdc isn't essential, but the nsa is.. >:(
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My sister and many friends are off! I still have 4-6 weeks of funding, but will then be off. Some of us went through enough with the Navy Yard shooting. Idiot Tea Party fascists!!! :finger:
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My sister and many friends are off! I still have 4-6 weeks of funding, but will then be off. Some of us went through enough with the Navy Yard shooting. Idiot Tea Party fascists!!! :finger:
I can't believe how brainwashed you are.
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My sister and many friends are off! I still have 4-6 weeks of funding, but will then be off. Some of us went through enough with the Navy Yard shooting. Idiot Tea Party fascists!!! :finger:
great post. You have every right to be concerned.
This shutdown is, yet another, transfer of wealth from the middle class tax payer to the super rich like the Koch Bros.
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My sister and many friends are off! I still have 4-6 weeks of funding, but will then be off. Some of us went through enough with the Navy Yard shooting. Idiot Tea Party fascists!!! :finger:
I can't believe how brainwashed you are.
You don't even have one! I am on the inside. I have access to way more than the tripe the media puts out.
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My sister and many friends are off! I still have 4-6 weeks of funding, but will then be off. Some of us went through enough with the Navy Yard shooting. Idiot Tea Party fascists!!! :finger:
I can't believe how brainwashed you are.
You don't even have one! I am on the inside. I have access to way more than the tripe the media puts out.
And even being on the inside doesn't help you to understand that its always going to be like this. Tea party shmea party, bro. There is always going to be a tea party as long as we have a goddamn party system, and allow lobbying and career politicians.
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I was really surprised to see they shut the CDC down. Afterall, who is going to maintain the biosensors that scan the atmosphere for certain select agent type pathogens. Say someone gets hold of an ebola or marburg sample from some african bat cave, or actual victim, uses it to culture the virus in vitro, or does the same with anthrax spores, then dumps a few pounds of anthrax into the air over a crowded major city like washington DC, or LA. With nobody around to monitor, nobody gets that vital early warning and extra time to respond, which WILL result in major loss of life.
Or no terrorism involved, just plain old surfacing of some particularly noxious ambient pathogen. There are still sylvatic reservoirs with endemic Y.pestis in the US, ground squirrels can carry plague for instance. What family doctor these days would recognise the early signs of bubonic plague? not until the characteristic lymphatic abscesses form, almost certainly. And if it were pneumonic plague....shit, disaster there and then if it isn't recognised and the surrounding population treated with antibiotics (pneumonic plague, whilst it can kill within hours, can be spread by the infected coughing up aerosolized Y.pestis.
Wonder if they left the DEA running...bet they fucking well did.
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Wonder if they left the DEA running...bet they fucking well did.
Of course! Combating drugs is - after all - important!
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I was really surprised to see they shut the CDC down. Afterall, who is going to maintain the biosensors that scan the atmosphere for certain select agent type pathogens. Say someone gets hold of an ebola or marburg sample from some african bat cave, or actual victim, uses it to culture the virus in vitro, or does the same with anthrax spores, then dumps a few pounds of anthrax into the air over a crowded major city like washington DC, or LA. With nobody around to monitor, nobody gets that vital early warning and extra time to respond, which WILL result in major loss of life.
Or no terrorism involved, just plain old surfacing of some particularly noxious ambient pathogen. There are still sylvatic reservoirs with endemic Y.pestis in the US, ground squirrels can carry plague for instance. What family doctor these days would recognise the early signs of bubonic plague? not until the characteristic lymphatic abscesses form, almost certainly. And if it were pneumonic plague....shit, disaster there and then if it isn't recognised and the surrounding population treated with antibiotics (pneumonic plague, whilst it can kill within hours, can be spread by the infected coughing up aerosolized Y.pestis.
Wonder if they left the DEA running...bet they fucking well did.
left the border patrol at full stregth also
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See? They got their priotities right!
Combating weed and mexicans > Keeping the country running
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Interesting how they left the DEA to their dirty work, yet that takes priority over stopping an outbreak of contagion and possibly bona fide bioterrorism.
It isn't really that difficult to culture and refine non-viral agents usually. Depending on the agent in question, but many can easily be cultured and weaponized.
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See? They got their priotities right!
Combating weed and mexicans > Keeping the country running
Because keeping the country running to these fools isn't about keeping the population healthy and productive, nor properly equipped, or even free to do as they like. Government is a business.
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Slaves don't function too well with tularemia or anthrax though...
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Slaves don't function too well with tularemia or anthrax though...
Theres always more, dude.
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I'll rephrase then.
Corpses do not pay tax.
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I'll rephrase then.
Corpses do not pay tax.
Hah. You ever wonder why agenda 21 was ever proposed in the first place? Not because these assholes care about the planet or the people who live in it. Can you think of why they might be concerned with "sustainability"?
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Indeed.
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Indeed.
You're quick to understand these things. Good. If assholes like you and I are capable, that gives me hope for the better parts of humanity. :thumbup:
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Excuse moi :P
Asshole? and I AM the better part of humanity. Or some of it at least.
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Excuse moi :P
Asshole? and I AM the better part of humanity. Or some of it at least.
HAH! Don't kid yourself. We say nigger, we see the dangers of islam, we think logically about all the isms and ists. We're assholes, man. Doomed to be hated by the masses, thought of as racists and insensitive pieces of shit.
I wouldn't have it any other way, myself. :zoinks: Why would I want to be a mindless, unthinking slug like 90% of the population?
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Excuse moi :P
Asshole? and I AM the better part of humanity. Or some of it at least.
HAH! Don't kid yourself. We say nigger, we see the dangers of islam, we think logically about all the isms and ists. We're assholes, man. Doomed to be hated by the masses, thought of as racists and insensitive pieces of shit.
I wouldn't have it any other way, myself. :zoinks: Why would I want to be a mindless, unthinking slug like 90% of the population?
its easier.
When I told my mom that I didn't believe in god, she told me that I should, and that its safer to accept Jesus into my heart just in case.
Praise The Lord.
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Excuse moi :P
Asshole? and I AM the better part of humanity. Or some of it at least.
HAH! Don't kid yourself. We say nigger, we see the dangers of islam, we think logically about all the isms and ists. We're assholes, man. Doomed to be hated by the masses, thought of as racists and insensitive pieces of shit.
I wouldn't have it any other way, myself. :zoinks: Why would I want to be a mindless, unthinking slug like 90% of the population?
its easier.
When I told my mom that I didn't believe in god, she told me that I should, and that its safer to accept Jesus into my heart just in case.
Praise The Lord.
I'd love to kick you in the balls right now.
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Well they better announce a deal in less than 24 hours, because if they don't any means to pass a bill will definitely take longer than the 17th. By that time, the chain reaction for a economic collapse might be already brewing. From what I read, there's a few tricks the U.S Treasury can try to avert default for at least a month after the debt ceiling is reached. But even with that, America's credit rating will still crash (read downgrade to oblivion the longer it goes on).
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They were all hopeful this morning. I am suspicious.
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They were all hopeful this morning. I am suspicious.
And it failed as neither side will budge. No surprise there though.
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Excuse moi :P
Asshole? and I AM the better part of humanity. Or some of it at least.
HAH! Don't kid yourself. We say nigger, we see the dangers of islam, we think logically about all the isms and ists. We're assholes, man. Doomed to be hated by the masses, thought of as racists and insensitive pieces of shit.
I wouldn't have it any other way, myself. :zoinks: Why would I want to be a mindless, unthinking slug like 90% of the population?
its easier.
When I told my mom that I didn't believe in god, she told me that I should, and that its safer to accept Jesus into my heart just in case.
Praise The Lord.
I'd love to kick you in the balls right now.
why?
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Excuse moi :P
Asshole? and I AM the better part of humanity. Or some of it at least.
HAH! Don't kid yourself. We say nigger, we see the dangers of islam, we think logically about all the isms and ists. We're assholes, man. Doomed to be hated by the masses, thought of as racists and insensitive pieces of shit.
I wouldn't have it any other way, myself. :zoinks: Why would I want to be a mindless, unthinking slug like 90% of the population?
its easier.
When I told my mom that I didn't believe in god, she told me that I should, and that its safer to accept Jesus into my heart just in case.
Praise The Lord.
I'd love to kick you in the balls right now.
why?
Quit fucking with me dude.
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I'm not.
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You are.
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You are.
im not meaning to. You respond.
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Nuh uh.
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Nuh uh.
uh huh.
Ad I think you do so its sooner that you don't have to deal with me.
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:zoinks:
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:santa: come early for ragey
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I don't really go crazy at Christmas.
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I don't really go crazy at Christmas.
that would be consumerism. And just what the slave owners want.
I always appreciate most the present that someone was thoughtful enough to steal for me.
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I always appreciate most the present that someone was thoughtful enough to steal for me.
:lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
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I like to make things, actually.
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We are going to default. It is almost a certainty now. The Tea Party is crazy enough to let it happen and Obama should've threatened to lift the debt ceiling on his own.
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Could he still lift it unilaterally at the last moment?
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We are going to default. It is almost a certainty now. The Tea Party is crazy enough to let it happen and Obama should've threatened to lift the debt ceiling on his own.
There's still legroom for them to resolve things until November, beyond that time default is imminent. But considering the fact the credit agencies are already talking about downgrading the U.S economy, it may not even matter if it doesn't default yet.
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Well they better announce a deal in less than 24 hours, because if they don't any means to pass a bill will definitely take longer than the 17th. By that time, the chain reaction for a economic collapse might be already brewing. From what I read, there's a few tricks the U.S Treasury can try to avert default for at least a month after the debt ceiling is reached. But even with that, America's credit rating will still crash (read downgrade to oblivion the longer it goes on).
If you need to borrow money so you can finance the institution that borrows the money, IMHO your credit rating *should* crash. :dunno:
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I keep hoping the members of congress will just go all wwwf and start breaking chairs over each other's heads. I think that would be more productive than what's happening now.
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If you need to borrow money so you can finance the institution that borrows the money, IMHO your credit rating *should* crash. :dunno:
Do you mean the institution that lends the money? I thought most loans were to finance the institution that is borrowing the money.
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The crash would effect everyone, Odeon. I don't think that means what you think it means.
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Looks like they are voting to open gubernment and avoid default.
Republicans got basically nothing for closing down the hizzle.
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Looks like they are voting to open gubernment and avoid default.
Republicans got basically nothing for closing down the hizzle.
Good. They retarded. Democrats are too, but yeah.
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Looks like they are voting to open gubernment and avoid default.
Republicans got basically nothing for closing down the hizzle.
Good. They retarded. Democrats are too, but yeah.
cure for retardation, now!
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If you need to borrow money so you can finance the institution that borrows the money, IMHO your credit rating *should* crash. :dunno:
Do you mean the institution that lends the money? I thought most loans were to finance the institution that is borrowing the money.
A slip of the keyboard. And brain. :P
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The crash would effect everyone, Odeon. I don't think that means what you think it means.
*Affect*.
What do you think I think it means?
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Looks like they are voting to open gubernment and avoid default.
Republicans got basically nothing for closing down the hizzle.
Good. They retarded. Democrats are too, but yeah.
cure for retardation, now!
Just stop the mercury in vaccines! :trollface:
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:tard: :tard:
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The crash would effect everyone, Odeon. I don't think that means what you think it means.
*Affect*.
What do you think I think it means?
What you said.
IMHO your credit rating *should* crash.
Do you understand how bad things would get if that happened? Or were you joking?
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The crash would effect everyone, Odeon. I don't think that means what you think it means.
*Affect*.
What do you think I think it means?
Grammar Nazi. :hahaha: Affect has physical and emotion connotations. I always use the word effect unless referencing body or mind.
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The crash would effect everyone, Odeon. I don't think that means what you think it means.
*Affect*.
What do you think I think it means?
What you said.
IMHO your credit rating *should* crash.
Do you understand how bad things would get if that happened? Or were you joking?
No, not really. I realise it's a Very Bad Thing, but it's about the principle. You shouldn't keep spending money you don't have.
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The crash would effect everyone, Odeon. I don't think that means what you think it means.
*Affect*.
What do you think I think it means?
What you said.
IMHO your credit rating *should* crash.
Do you understand how bad things would get if that happened? Or were you joking?
No, not really. I realise it's a Very Bad Thing, but it's about the principle. You shouldn't keep spending money you don't have.
Well this is true, but we're all here now. If the U.S. economy crashes, things are going to get shitty for everyone very quickly.
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I would like to know how much of the USA's debt represents interdependency and how much represents something unhealthy. For an individual, it's good if you don't have any financial debt, but for a company it's not. Why would a country be more like an individual than a company?
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I would like to know how much of the USA's debt represents interdependency and how much represents something unhealthy. For an individual, it's good if you don't have any financial debt, but for a company it's not. Why would a country be more like an individual than a company?
When the debt AFFECTS(there you go O-man) the people of this country and others adversely because of irresponsible and unchecked spending, i'm pretty sure its bad.
Looks like they are voting to open gubernment and avoid default.
Republicans got basically nothing for closing down the hizzle.
Good. They retarded. Democrats are too, but yeah.
cure for retardation, now!
Just stop the mercury in vaccines! :trollface:
I saw a couple of studies confirming mouse brains in flu vaccines. Explain that! :GA:
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Squeeek?
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For real. Mouse brains. wut
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:sick:
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The crash would effect everyone, Odeon. I don't think that means what you think it means.
*Affect*.
What do you think I think it means?
What you said.
IMHO your credit rating *should* crash.
Do you understand how bad things would get if that happened? Or were you joking?
No, not really. I realise it's a Very Bad Thing, but it's about the principle. You shouldn't keep spending money you don't have.
Well this is true, but we're all here now. If the U.S. economy crashes, things are going to get shitty for everyone very quickly.
Yes. And it's worrying.
I would very much like to know what they plan to do about it. Not this arbitrary debt ceiling thing, but the actual problem.
IIRC, the Nixon administration did attempt to address the problem, and maybe Reagan.
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I would like to know how much of the USA's debt represents interdependency and how much represents something unhealthy. For an individual, it's good if you don't have any financial debt, but for a company it's not. Why would a country be more like an individual than a company?
They are more like a company, of course, and you're right. But I do believe a lot of that debt is unhealthy. Can't be arsed to dig up the articles I've seen about it, though.
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The crash would effect everyone, Odeon. I don't think that means what you think it means.
*Affect*.
What do you think I think it means?
What you said.
IMHO your credit rating *should* crash.
Do you understand how bad things would get if that happened? Or were you joking?
No, not really. I realise it's a Very Bad Thing, but it's about the principle. You shouldn't keep spending money you don't have.
Well this is true, but we're all here now. If the U.S. economy crashes, things are going to get shitty for everyone very quickly.
Yes. And it's worrying.
I would very much like to know what they plan to do about it. Not this arbitrary debt ceiling thing, but the actual problem.
IIRC, the Nixon administration did attempt to address the problem, and maybe Reagan.
If they plan to do anything at all to make changes, we're sure being kept in the dark about it. Attitudes here are getting pretty sour.
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The crash would effect everyone, Odeon. I don't think that means what you think it means.
*Affect*.
What do you think I think it means?
What you said.
IMHO your credit rating *should* crash.
Do you understand how bad things would get if that happened? Or were you joking?
No, not really. I realise it's a Very Bad Thing, but it's about the principle. You shouldn't keep spending money you don't have.
Well this is true, but we're all here now. If the U.S. economy crashes, things are going to get shitty for everyone very quickly.
Yes. And it's worrying.
I would very much like to know what they plan to do about it. Not this arbitrary debt ceiling thing, but the actual problem.
IIRC, the Nixon administration did attempt to address the problem, and maybe Reagan.
If they plan to do anything at all to make changes, we're sure being kept in the dark about it. Attitudes here are getting pretty sour.
Understandable.
Yet you have to make changes.
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We're pushing for it, dude. Its almost like the government is a separate fucking animal now though.