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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: RageBeoulve on September 28, 2013, 05:50:46 PM
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Guys, you really owe it to yourself to read this. Its awesome. This is a world I want to live in.
http://www.michaeltellinger.com/ubuntu-cont.php (http://www.michaeltellinger.com/ubuntu-cont.php)
Everyone contributes, everyone has more than enough to eat and drink. Everyone is educated as hell. No communist, capitalism, political parties, lobbyists, etc. Its INCREDIBLE. A blurb from the site:
Our Inalienable Rights – The Rights of all Citizens
1.The country belongs to its people
2.The land belongs to its people
3.The water belongs to the people
4.The forests belong to the people
5.The rivers and lakes belong to the people
6.The gold, the platinum, diamonds, chrome, copper, iron, uranium, tin, aluminium, and all other minerals in the ground belong to the people
7.The coal belongs to the people
8.The air and the airwaves belong to the people
9.Everything that grows on the land belongs to the people
10.The beaches, the mountains and the skies above belong to the people
11.The wild animals do not belong to us or anyone else, they belong to the planet and we are their custodians and protectors
These things DO NOT belong to the politicians, the government, or any corporation who has unlawfully claimed exclusive rights over it.
The government has stolen the country from its people. We, the people need to take it back.
Transformation
Transformation to the UBUNTU CONTRIBUTION SYSTEM cannot happen in one step. It can only be introduced in a number of phases or small steps to allow people to acclimatise to the brand new way of life and the freedom that comes with implementing the new structures. These will be highly liberating and exciting times with limitless possibilities for everyone.
The first phase will be the slow and steady decentralisations of the urban metropolitan jungles that have evolve as a result of the chase for money. The repopulation of the many smaller towns and villages across South Africa will be the first objective. Strong rural and farming communities with a variety of privileges will provide the platform for all future steps.
This boosting of these communities will be accompanied by the first wave of freedoms previously denied.
First Freedoms
To recognise these freedoms let’s remind ourselves of some of our inalienable rights. If the land belongs to the people, the rivers and the coal in the ground belongs to the people, why are we paying for these? All rural towns and farming communities will have the following freedoms.
FREE ELECTRICITY
FREE WATER
FREE HOUSING
Medium term – FREE FOOD
All possible support will be given to the farmers to produce as much organic food as possible for their own community and other communities in their area. The objective is for each community to be able to provide all the food necessary for their own needs.
The ultimate objective is not only to provide free food, but to slowly move towards the complete eradication of money from the system. Some people may find this a shocking and impossible reality. Once again, all negative sentiments about these plans are based on thousands of years of indoctrination by those who control the supply and flow of money.
The Needs of Society
What do we need as individuals and communities? The answer has been the same for thousands of years. Food, love, shelter, health, education, arts, culture, science, technology, energy, clothing, tables, chairs, books, boots, hats, and much of all the other stuff we have today. What we do NOT need is money. Money has been created as tool of enslavement to control the availability of all these things, most of the time denying people of most of them.
Money
Most people are under the incorrect assumption that money is the consequence of human evolution and thousands of years of barter and trade. As hard as this may be for some people to accept, that is an incorrect assumption. Meticulous scrutiny of our human history shows very clearly that money was introduced several thousand years ago, by a small group of royal political elites as the supreme tool of enslavement of the masses. Since the very first introduction of money this small group of very powerful individuals have controlled the printing and supply of money, and thereby control the activities on planet Earth.
•Money is the obstacle to all progress and the cause of all misery on Earth.
•Money is the major contributing factor to the gross separation and segregation in society.
•Money is the cause of 99% of crime.
•Money causes families to fall apart.
•Money is the driving force behind ego, gluttony, jealousy, greed, envy and all the ugliest aspects of humanity.
The solution is quite clear. REMOVE the problem.
Remove MONEY from society.
Conclusion
•The UBUNTU CONTRIBUTION SYSTEM is a blueprint for a new social structure in which everyone is absolutely free and equal.
•A society that functions without the concept of money, any form of barter or trade, or the attachment of value to material things.
•A culture where each individual is encouraged to follow their passion and contributes their natural talents or acquired skills to the greater benefit of all the people in the community and society at large.
•A society with a new set of laws based on the needs of the people where everything is provided freely to everyone who contributes.
•A society which promotes the highest levels of scientific and technological progress.
•A society in which arts and culture flourishes allowing people to experience life to the fullest.
•A society in which spiritual growth of its citizens through the explosion of arts and culture will allow the rapid rise of consciousness to fully embrace the concepts on unity.
•The system provides unimaginable abundance of all things on all levels, impossible to imagine by those trapped in the capitalist consumer-driven environment of today.
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How would the economy work? What is the motivation for anyone to do anything?
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How would the economy work? What is the motivation for anyone to do anything?
Haha. Read the site and you'll see, dude. ;)
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I like this :thumbup:
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I REALLY like it. I was tickled pink when I saw the guy pointed out the earliest recorded use of money was in a Sumerian text, and money was described as "the enslavement tool". :LOL:
This dude knows whatsup.
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How would the economy work? What is the motivation for anyone to do anything?
Haha. Read the site and you'll see, dude. ;)
I've read the site and have concluded that this theory makes little sense. First, Michael Tellinger has no authority to speak from. He has a high opinion of himself, few credentials and no scholarly papers (that I could find). He's a professional entertainer. This wouldn't matter if his theory made sense, but it doesn't. It has holes based on lack of evidence. How will raw materials be processed and distributed to those who want them? How will goods and services be allocated? What about jobs that no one wants to do?
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How would the economy work? What is the motivation for anyone to do anything?
Haha. Read the site and you'll see, dude. ;)
I've read the site and have concluded that this theory makes little sense. First, Michael Tellinger has no authority to speak from. He has a high opinion of himself, few credentials and no scholarly papers (that I could find). He's a professional entertainer. This wouldn't matter if his theory made sense, but it doesn't. It has holes based on lack of evidence. How will raw materials be processed and distributed to those who want them? How will goods and services be allocated? What about jobs that no one wants to do?
Everyone does all the jobs. You switch. Like three hours a week farming something, three hours a week at the factory, three hours a week shoveling shit.
I don't think you quite understand what he's saying, dude. This would work if we all let go of the ego, and cared about our townships. Raw materials will be processed as normal, but everyone takes turns doing it. Everyone. Most goods and services are community based. Shipping around fruits and vegetables and other foods with vehicles, using a whole bunch of gas is retarded. Just grow and farm right in and around your own community. Everyone can do it. And the people who live in areas where it is difficult to farm can be helped by surrounding areas in that department because this design boasts a LOT of food.
Just listen to the guy, dude. Its a fantastic idea and quite superior to the current structure. We should just start putting it into practice in order to work out all the kinks that might be present, and improve on it as we go.
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Funny I never pictured you as the type to want to run off and live in a commune. On a very small scale you may get it to work for awhile but it will not last and it can;t be scaled up.
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How would the economy work? What is the motivation for anyone to do anything?
Haha. Read the site and you'll see, dude. ;)
I've read the site and have concluded that this theory makes little sense. First, Michael Tellinger has no authority to speak from. He has a high opinion of himself, few credentials and no scholarly papers (that I could find). He's a professional entertainer. This wouldn't matter if his theory made sense, but it doesn't. It has holes based on lack of evidence. How will raw materials be processed and distributed to those who want them? How will goods and services be allocated? What about jobs that no one wants to do?
Everyone does all the jobs. You switch. Like three hours a week farming something, three hours a week at the factory, three hours a week shoveling shit.
I don't think you quite understand what he's saying, dude. This would work if we all let go of the ego, and cared about our townships. Raw materials will be processed as normal, but everyone takes turns doing it. Everyone. Most goods and services are community based. Shipping around fruits and vegetables and other foods with vehicles, using a whole bunch of gas is retarded. Just grow and farm right in and around your own community. Everyone can do it. And the people who live in areas where it is difficult to farm can be helped by surrounding areas in that department because this design boasts a LOT of food.
Just listen to the guy, dude. Its a fantastic idea and quite superior to the current structure. We should just start putting it into practice in order to work out all the kinks that might be present, and improve on it as we go.
I am aware of communities like the Amish that use similar systems, so I don't dismiss the possibility of such a system. However, this model doesn't acknowledge that there are limitations to how much of something there can be. Money is a simple way to provide a common measure to compare the value of goods and services to one another.
What happens if there isn't a lot of food?
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Funny I never pictured you as the type to want to run off and live in a commune. On a very small scale you may get it to work for awhile but it will not last and it can;t be scaled up.
Why do we need to scale things up? And besides, with such an abundance of resources and no 1% to hoard it all.. we'll have lots of time to learn and grow. We'll have time to make sure our kids receive a proper education and secure a far more advanced future. I think it actually can be scaled up, if that's what everyone wanted to do.
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How would the economy work? What is the motivation for anyone to do anything?
Haha. Read the site and you'll see, dude. ;)
I've read the site and have concluded that this theory makes little sense. First, Michael Tellinger has no authority to speak from. He has a high opinion of himself, few credentials and no scholarly papers (that I could find). He's a professional entertainer. This wouldn't matter if his theory made sense, but it doesn't. It has holes based on lack of evidence. How will raw materials be processed and distributed to those who want them? How will goods and services be allocated? What about jobs that no one wants to do?
Everyone does all the jobs. You switch. Like three hours a week farming something, three hours a week at the factory, three hours a week shoveling shit.
I don't think you quite understand what he's saying, dude. This would work if we all let go of the ego, and cared about our townships. Raw materials will be processed as normal, but everyone takes turns doing it. Everyone. Most goods and services are community based. Shipping around fruits and vegetables and other foods with vehicles, using a whole bunch of gas is retarded. Just grow and farm right in and around your own community. Everyone can do it. And the people who live in areas where it is difficult to farm can be helped by surrounding areas in that department because this design boasts a LOT of food.
Just listen to the guy, dude. Its a fantastic idea and quite superior to the current structure. We should just start putting it into practice in order to work out all the kinks that might be present, and improve on it as we go.
I am aware of communities like the Amish that use similar systems, so I don't dismiss the possibility of such a system. However, this model doesn't acknowledge that there are limitations to how much of something there can be. Money is a simple way to provide a common measure to compare the value of goods and services to one another.
What happens if there isn't a lot of food?
I just answered that. The neighboring community will help. Even mediocre land surrounding and in a township of about 12000 can produce three times as much food as the people in it can eat.
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Funny I never pictured you as the type to want to run off and live in a commune. On a very small scale you may get it to work for awhile but it will not last and it can;t be scaled up.
Why do we need to scale things up?
You can't do and or make some things on such a small scale where it would work
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Funny I never pictured you as the type to want to run off and live in a commune. On a very small scale you may get it to work for awhile but it will not last and it can;t be scaled up.
Why do we need to scale things up?
You can't do and or make some things on such a small scale where it would work
What kinds of things? Nuclear bombs?
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Okay, which one of you guys is going to volunteer to have a vasectomy by a surgeon with no experience who's working the shift your surgery is scheduled for?
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Funny I never pictured you as the type to want to run off and live in a commune. On a very small scale you may get it to work for awhile but it will not last and it can;t be scaled up.
Why do we need to scale things up?
You can't do and or make some things on such a small scale where it would work
What kinds of things? Nuclear bombs?
Most things dealing with technology for one, which would include nuclear bombs but also almost all electronics. Production of many metals such as aluminum would also be out of the question. Many manufactured goods would also be beyond reach. If you wanted to say do this but sticking with mostly 18 century tech it would be a little easier but they did mention science and technology on the site
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Okay, which one of you guys is going to volunteer to have a vasectomy by a surgeon with no experience who's working the shift your surgery is scheduled for?
That's the thing. EVERYONE will be experienced! :green: I mean this wouldn't happen in a single day. Everything would need to be changed, including how our children are educated. It may grow more slowly, but the growth will be steady. And there will be no more of this shit.
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1374159_481366181961775_1075365075_n.jpg)
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Funny I never pictured you as the type to want to run off and live in a commune. On a very small scale you may get it to work for awhile but it will not last and it can;t be scaled up.
Why do we need to scale things up?
You can't do and or make some things on such a small scale where it would work
What kinds of things? Nuclear bombs?
Most things dealing with technology for one, which would include nuclear bombs but also almost all electronics. Production of many metals such as aluminum would also be out of the question. Many manufactured goods would also be beyond reach. If you wanted to say do this but sticking with mostly 18 century tech it would be a little easier but they did mention science and technology on the site
Science and technology wouldn't have to be done away with, and this is just a skeleton of the society man. A rough draft manifesto. I personally think it shows great promise.
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A society without money?
I never pictured you for a left wing communist hippie.
:trollface:
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Is there a right to private property?
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Most cults require their membership to renounce money; that's how cult leaders get so rich.
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Okay, which one of you guys is going to volunteer to have a vasectomy by a surgeon with no experience who's working the shift your surgery is scheduled for?
That's the thing. EVERYONE will be experienced! :green: I mean this wouldn't happen in a single day. Everything would need to be changed, including how our children are educated. It may grow more slowly, but the growth will be steady. And there will be no more of this shit.
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1374159_481366181961775_1075365075_n.jpg)
That is not how it works if you have highly skilled jobs. Apprentices turning out from our 5 years of course work plus minimum 8000 hours hands on still have much to learn. The NFPA 70 National Electric Code exists to prevent fire and electric hazards from destroying property and killing people.
Likewise other aspects of building codes are to prevent collapse of entire blocks like happened in San Francisco during the 1906 quake, disastrous fires like the 1942 Cocoanut Grove Fire and The Station fire of 2003.
Fire Inspectors, city inspectors and The Authority Having Jurisdiction (this has a very specific meaning Rage) are not jobs for a part timer winging it.
The unit operators, firemen, maintenance personal and safety people in a petrol refinery should not be enthusiastic amateurs. If you had ever been exposed to a refinery fire, explosion or poison gas release (look up H2S characteristics and toxicity) you would know exactly why the training is required.
Let each citizen contribute their natural talents or acquired skills to the greater benefit of all in the community
Michael Tellinger
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
Karl Marx, Critique Of The Gotha Program 1875
Michael Tellinger just rearranged Marx words, much like the method I used with my 300 word reports in 4thy grade. :thumbdn:
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I think the main thing most are missing is the core of this design. Everything belongs to the people, and not companies, banks, or politicians. Whats wrong with that?
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I think the main thing most are missing is the core of this design. Everything belongs to the people, and not companies, banks, or politicians. Whats wrong with that?
I think it's just the way it should be :viking:
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Me too. Whats so great about enslavement to thieves?
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Dunno :dunno:
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Me either. I mean theres some things Michael says that I don't agree with either, but i'm not going to shoot down his design over a few of those. Not everyone has to follow his words as if it were some sort of religious dogma. I just think we should all be taking our world back from the 1% on the basis of sustainability, our own dignity, and our future.
The way things are now is bad any way you look at it.
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I think the main thing most are missing is the core of this design. Everything belongs to the people, and not companies, banks, or politicians. Whats wrong with that?
See The Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital, Animal Farm and 70 + years of communist mismanagement in Eastern Europe for your answer. Everything nominally belonged to everyone in the Eastern Bloc countries. Tellinger has just polished an old turd, he presents nothing new. Apologists for communism like to play the No True Communist fallacy to explain away all the fuck ups like mass murdering dictators, economies in perpetual strife etc.
You may also want to look up the history of Josiah Warren and the New Times colony and other Anarcho syndicalist communes for context. Basically this type of stuff only works for a limited time as long as everyone plays nice. Without a strong man arising to enforce cooperation - which negates the alleged freedom - it falls apart.
Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff. Frank Zappa.
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Me too. Whats so great about enslavement to thieves?
So you are a slave?
Were you born into slavery?
Or were you captured and subjugated?
Do you have to ask permission to post on the internet?
Are you not allowed to own property?
Are you not paid wages for work you perform?
Do you get beat by massa for fucking up?
In what ways do you equate your situation with the slaves of the antebellum South Rage? Please be specific.
Calling yourself a slave is hyperbole unless there is a whole lot that I don't know about your situation. Slavery is a very specific condition and definitions do matter.
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Is there a right to private property?
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Is there a right to private property?
Hush! There's no such thing as money and no one wants to think about the property and income taxes. >:(
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Me too. Whats so great about enslavement to thieves?
So you are a slave?
Were you born into slavery?
Or were you captured and subjugated?
Do you have to ask permission to post on the internet?
Are you not allowed to own property?
Are you not paid wages for work you perform?
Do you get beat by massa for fucking up?
In what ways do you equate your situation with the slaves of the antebellum South Rage? Please be specific.
Calling yourself a slave is hyperbole unless there is a whole lot that I don't know about your situation. Slavery is a very specific condition and definitions do matter.
Slavery might not be the proper word for it, considering how shitty life is/was for real slaves, but the fact is that we live in a fake democracy where rich bastards are above the law and the politicians fuck the people in the arse by doing as they please and not obeying the will of the people.
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Me too. Whats so great about enslavement to thieves?
So you are a slave?
Were you born into slavery?
Or were you captured and subjugated?
Do you have to ask permission to post on the internet?
Are you not allowed to own property?
Are you not paid wages for work you perform?
Do you get beat by massa for fucking up?
In what ways do you equate your situation with the slaves of the antebellum South Rage? Please be specific.
Calling yourself a slave is hyperbole unless there is a whole lot that I don't know about your situation. Slavery is a very specific condition and definitions do matter.
Or were you captured and subjugated?
When the sixteenth amendment was passed, then later the federal reserve act, yes. We were all captured.
Are you not paid wages for work you perform?
I'm paid debt certificates, and "supplied" food and various other supplies on the basis that I will continue to serve.
Were you born into slavery?
Yes, this structure was set in place generations before I was born.
Do you have to ask permission to post on the internet?
No, but in many places you have to ask permission to speak. Indeed, you must now apply for a "protest permit" in many cases.
Do you get beat by massa for fucking up?
http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/08/41_activists_arrested_at_immigration_reform_rally_in_washington_dc.html (http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/08/41_activists_arrested_at_immigration_reform_rally_in_washington_dc.html)
^tens of thousands of other cases. Just look around. Yessir, we get beaten by massa a lot.
Are you not allowed to own property?
Simple answer: No. We're allowed to think we do.
Is there a right to private property?
Of course, but everyone has it. Not just a select few.
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I think the main thing most are missing is the core of this design. Everything belongs to the people, and not companies, banks, or politicians. Whats wrong with that?
See The Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital, Animal Farm and 70 + years of communist mismanagement in Eastern Europe for your answer. Everything nominally belonged to everyone in the Eastern Bloc countries. Tellinger has just polished an old turd, he presents nothing new. Apologists for communism like to play the No True Communist fallacy to explain away all the fuck ups like mass murdering dictators, economies in perpetual strife etc.
You may also want to look up the history of Josiah Warren and the New Times colony and other Anarcho syndicalist communes for context. Basically this type of stuff only works for a limited time as long as everyone plays nice. Without a strong man arising to enforce cooperation - which negates the alleged freedom - it falls apart.
Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff. Frank Zappa.
Dude, I don't know what about this scares you, but it doesn't have to exactly follow that design. What is wrong with changing things for the better? I'm not saying we should flat out go old country, but the current system has absolutely no future whatsoever. We just become less free every time we elect a new president.
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Me too. Whats so great about enslavement to thieves?
So you are a slave?
Were you born into slavery?
Or were you captured and subjugated?
Do you have to ask permission to post on the internet?
Are you not allowed to own property?
Are you not paid wages for work you perform?
Do you get beat by massa for fucking up?
In what ways do you equate your situation with the slaves of the antebellum South Rage? Please be specific.
Calling yourself a slave is hyperbole unless there is a whole lot that I don't know about your situation. Slavery is a very specific condition and definitions do matter.
Slavery might not be the proper word for it, considering how shitty life is/was for real slaves, but the fact is that we live in a fake democracy where rich bastards are above the law and the politicians fuck the people in the arse by doing as they please and not obeying the will of the people.
Might not be? More like not at all correct. When I wire up and test a 3 phase 480 volt system I don't play fast and loose with definitions. Megger reading are written down exactly. Phase to phase readings are written exactly as they are. Phase to ground readings are written down exactly as they read. Playing fast and loose with word meanings may get kudos and cause erections among the choir but can be easily torn apart when one is not preaching to the choir.
I think the main thing most are missing is the core of this design. Everything belongs to the people, and not companies, banks, or politicians. Whats wrong with that?
See The Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital, Animal Farm and 70 + years of communist mismanagement in Eastern Europe for your answer. Everything nominally belonged to everyone in the Eastern Bloc countries. Tellinger has just polished an old turd, he presents nothing new. Apologists for communism like to play the No True Communist fallacy to explain away all the fuck ups like mass murdering dictators, economies in perpetual strife etc.
You may also want to look up the history of Josiah Warren and the New Times colony and other Anarcho syndicalist communes for context. Basically this type of stuff only works for a limited time as long as everyone plays nice. Without a strong man arising to enforce cooperation - which negates the alleged freedom - it falls apart.
Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff. Frank Zappa.
Dude, I don't know what about this scares you, but it doesn't have to exactly follow that design. What is wrong with changing things for the better? I'm not saying we should flat out go old country, but the current system has absolutely no future whatsoever. We just become less free every time we elect a new president.
So now you define me as scared because I don't buy this load of merde? Nice try.
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I wasn't calling you names, man. You're being pretty defensive of an obviously criminal system. Whats the problem?
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Is everyone who does not agree with you and Telliger scared Rage? Is that how you see it?
[I wasn't calling you names, man. You're being pretty defensive of an obviously criminal system. Whats the problem?
Show where I defended the status quo here. Calling those who disagree with you scared in lieu of addressing their points is called an ad hom.
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Is everyone who does not agree with you and Telliger scared Rage? Is that how you see it?
[I wasn't calling you names, man. You're being pretty defensive of an obviously criminal system. Whats the problem?
Show where I defended the status quo here. Calling those who disagree with you scared in lieu of addressing their points is called an ad hom.
Are you angry or something? Jesus, dude. I said several times it wasn't really necessary to follow this guys word like he's a messiah. I just want to take power away from corporate interests and banks and politics and give it back to people. People matter, dude.
What exactly is the problem?
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Me too. Whats so great about enslavement to thieves?
So you are a slave?
Were you born into slavery?
Or were you captured and subjugated?
Do you have to ask permission to post on the internet?
Are you not allowed to own property?
Are you not paid wages for work you perform?
Do you get beat by massa for fucking up?
In what ways do you equate your situation with the slaves of the antebellum South Rage? Please be specific.
Calling yourself a slave is hyperbole unless there is a whole lot that I don't know about your situation. Slavery is a very specific condition and definitions do matter.
Or were you captured and subjugated?
When the sixteenth amendment was passed, then later the federal reserve act, yes. We were all captured.
Are you not paid wages for work you perform?
I'm paid debt certificates, and "supplied" food and various other supplies on the basis that I will continue to serve.
Were you born into slavery?
Yes, this structure was set in place generations before I was born.
Do you have to ask permission to post on the internet?
No, but in many places you have to ask permission to speak. Indeed, you must now apply for a "protest permit" in many cases.
Do you get beat by massa for fucking up?
http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/08/41_activists_arrested_at_immigration_reform_rally_in_washington_dc.html (http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/08/41_activists_arrested_at_immigration_reform_rally_in_washington_dc.html)
^tens of thousands of other cases. Just look around. Yessir, we get beaten by massa a lot.
Are you not allowed to own property?
Simple answer: No. We're allowed to think we do.
Is there a right to private property?
Of course, but everyone has it. Not just a select few.
That kind of lame reasoning probably works very well when you are preaching to the choir Rage. Here on this forum it appears to only be working on you and Lit. You have not made a proper case for how you are a slave.
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Is everyone who does not agree with you and Telliger scared Rage? Is that how you see it?
[I wasn't calling you names, man. You're being pretty defensive of an obviously criminal system. Whats the problem?
Show where I defended the status quo here. Calling those who disagree with you scared in lieu of addressing their points is called an ad hom.
Are you angry or something? Jesus, dude. I said several times it wasn't really necessary to follow this guys word like he's a messiah. I just want to take power away from corporate interests and banks and politics and give it back to people. People matter, dude.
What exactly is the problem?
First you claim I am scared and now you try a variant of the You Mad Bro? trolling technique. :thumbdn: Is this how you are going to defend a college thesis?
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Because I can't actually own anything. The American people's views no longer matter, the president and his administration pass laws and orders regardless of what we have to say. The land's resources are used and wasted daily to further the agenda of the richest people in the world, and because of how they set things up you are a traitor or a foolish person for speaking out against it.
A third of the food we produce globally? We throw it away. Where has all the gold and things of value gone? Why does one single company own over 90% of our country's agricultural yields? Why are we no longer manufacturing?(except cars) Dude.... :facepalm2:
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Is everyone who does not agree with you and Telliger scared Rage? Is that how you see it?
[I wasn't calling you names, man. You're being pretty defensive of an obviously criminal system. Whats the problem?
Show where I defended the status quo here. Calling those who disagree with you scared in lieu of addressing their points is called an ad hom.
Are you angry or something? Jesus, dude. I said several times it wasn't really necessary to follow this guys word like he's a messiah. I just want to take power away from corporate interests and banks and politics and give it back to people. People matter, dude.
What exactly is the problem?
First you claim I am scared and now you try a variant of the You Mad Bro? trolling technique. :thumbdn: Is this how you are going to defend a college thesis?
Holy shit PPK. Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed. EXCUSE ME for suggesting that the current structure is equivalent to slavery. You must really love it that your constitution is shat upon every day.
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Because I can't actually own anything. The American people's views no longer matter, the president and his administration pass laws and orders regardless of what we have to say. The land's resources are used and wasted daily to further the agenda of the richest people in the world, and because of how they set things up you are a traitor or a foolish person for speaking out against it.
A third of the food we produce globally? We throw it away. Where has all the gold and things of value gone? Why does one single company own over 90% of our country's agricultural yields? Why are we no longer manufacturing? Dude.... :facepalm2:
None of these assertions make the case that you are a slave.
Holy shit PPK. Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed. EXCUSE ME for suggesting that the current structure is equivalent to slavery. You must really love it that your constitution is shat upon every day.
So to sum up your responses
1) I'm scared
2) I'm defending the status quo
3) Are you Mad Bro?
4) I must have gotten up on the wrong side of bed
5) I really love seeing the constitution shat upon.
And you inferred all of this based on my not being enamored of Tellinger's cribbed theories the way you are. :thumbdn:
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In the future I will return to my former practice of not getting into your political threads Rage. I actually like you and Lit so I will leave you two to railing against the system without interference from me.
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Is there a right to private property?
I'm certainly not sharing a bathroom again, not after all this time! :bath:
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You don't have the full right to your property in a state. In Sweden you just own your ground down to a certain point. If there are ores in the ground, the state usually owns them.
You don't own the airspace above your property either.
And property can be expropriated in the state, if they want to build a road - even in the US.
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He's right. I can't believe how disillusioned most are. You think that's your house you live in? You think you actually paid for that food you ate today with money? You think the money in your wallet is actually backed by anything? You're living a lie.
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Because I can't actually own anything. The American people's views no longer matter, the president and his administration pass laws and orders regardless of what we have to say. The land's resources are used and wasted daily to further the agenda of the richest people in the world, and because of how they set things up you are a traitor or a foolish person for speaking out against it.
A third of the food we produce globally? We throw it away. Where has all the gold and things of value gone? Why does one single company own over 90% of our country's agricultural yields? Why are we no longer manufacturing? Dude.... :facepalm2:
None of these assertions make the case that you are a slave.
Holy shit PPK. Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed. EXCUSE ME for suggesting that the current structure is equivalent to slavery. You must really love it that your constitution is shat upon every day.
So to sum up your responses
1) I'm scared
2) I'm defending the status quo
3) Are you Mad Bro?
4) I must have gotten up on the wrong side of bed
5) I really love seeing the constitution shat upon.
And you inferred all of this based on my not being enamored of Tellinger's cribbed theories the way you are. :thumbdn:
Your summary of my responses is incorrect, PPK. And to be honest with you i'm kind of shocked and hurt by your attitude. I'm not telling you to be enamored with the guy's theories. I'm not telling you anything, actually. The only part of your list that has any validity is # 2. Yes you are kind of defending the status quo. I mean think about it.
I present a loose rough draft of a structure which vaguely resembles a Marxist system, and I say I like it. I don't at any point infer that it is like a "computer program" that we must all integrate into our systems. Maybe that's the problem, actually. You might be thinking that some rigid predetermined programming must be followed or we will all fall off the face of the earth.
I don't think that way. I'm a man, not a machine. I think we could easily integrate some of this guys points into American society while preserving our American culture and values. Perhaps you find my views an attack on capitalism? I say the current system is not capitalism, it is communism. How can we be a capitalist system with a central bank lending to our government, and monopolies on all enterprises in our country?
I think the part i'm most having a hard time with, is I have no idea where you're coming from here, man.
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You can have your fun and go live in some sort of commune but what happens to the people who don't want to do this? Like I said it would work awhile on a very small scale perhaps a few hundred people who were dedicated to it but not for the population at large, what would you do with them?
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The Average Joe doesn't believe in idealism, which is the reason why idealistic projects usually fail. Yet the Average Joe doesn't understand that. He thinks that the wrong is in the idealistic project itself.
Surprisingly Average Joe believe in the crooks who have oppressed us and lied for us through the well known and tested system for centuries or millenia. Well, Average Joe can't think out of the box for sure :facepalm2:
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The Average Joe doesn't believe in idealism, which is the reason why idealistic projects usually fail. Yet the Average Joe doesn't understand that. He thinks that the wrong is in the idealistic project itself.
Surprisingly Average Joe believe in the crooks who have oppressed us and lied for us through the well known and tested system for centuries or millenia. Well, Average Joe can't think out of the box for sure :facepalm2:
Who is Average Joe?
That's a nice username. :orly:
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Average Joe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_Joe)
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The Average Joe doesn't believe in idealism, which is the reason why idealistic projects usually fail. Yet the Average Joe doesn't understand that. He thinks that the wrong is in the idealistic project itself.
Surprisingly Average Joe believe in the crooks who have oppressed us and lied for us through the well known and tested system for centuries or millenia. Well, Average Joe can't think out of the box for sure :facepalm2:
That does not answer the question.
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You can have your fun and go live in some sort of commune but what happens to the people who don't want to do this? Like I said it would work awhile on a very small scale perhaps a few hundred people who were dedicated to it but not for the population at large, what would you do with them?
This kind of thing is useless if just a hundred people do it. I want things to change.
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You can have your fun and go live in some sort of commune but what happens to the people who don't want to do this? Like I said it would work awhile on a very small scale perhaps a few hundred people who were dedicated to it but not for the population at large, what would you do with them?
This kind of thing is useless if just a hundred people do it. I want things to change.
So what about the people who don't want to do it?????
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You can have your fun and go live in some sort of commune but what happens to the people who don't want to do this? Like I said it would work awhile on a very small scale perhaps a few hundred people who were dedicated to it but not for the population at large, what would you do with them?
This kind of thing is useless if just a hundred people do it. I want things to change.
So what about the people who don't want to do it?????
They will want to, once they see how successful a system not held hostage by elites or aristocracy is. And if they don't, they don't have to live in such a society. They can go be slaves if they want to.
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Liberty and justice for all, baby. :zoinks:
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You can have your fun and go live in some sort of commune but what happens to the people who don't want to do this? Like I said it would work awhile on a very small scale perhaps a few hundred people who were dedicated to it but not for the population at large, what would you do with them?
This kind of thing is useless if just a hundred people do it. I want things to change.
So what about the people who don't want to do it?????
They will want to, once they see how successful a system not held hostage by elites or aristocracy is. And if they don't, they don't have to live in such a society. They can go be slaves if they want to.
So the truth will set you free and once you see the light you'll be happy and we will all live together in harmony ? That has a familiar sound to it :apondering: :pope:
No thanks :zombiefuck:
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You can have your fun and go live in some sort of commune but what happens to the people who don't want to do this? Like I said it would work awhile on a very small scale perhaps a few hundred people who were dedicated to it but not for the population at large, what would you do with them?
This kind of thing is useless if just a hundred people do it. I want things to change.
So what about the people who don't want to do it?????
They will want to, once they see how successful a system not held hostage by elites or aristocracy is. And if they don't, they don't have to live in such a society. They can go be slaves if they want to.
So the truth will set you free and once you see the light you'll be happy and we will all live together in harmony ? That has a familiar sound to it :apondering: :pope:
No thanks :zombiefuck:
Actually no. I know its hard to see for someone so dependent on this shitty and criminal system. What i'm interested in is DOING SOMETHING. Something to give power back to the people, and take it away from criminals. Something to stop needlessly using resources, fucking up the planet, and wasting food.
SOMETHING for crissakes.
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Is there private property in this 'answer'?
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Is there private property in this 'answer'?
The answer to that is no as far as I could get from what I read.
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The state doesn't guarantee you your private property either. They can take it from you to build a road and not even give you decent compensation economically.
If they expropriate farmland in Sweden, good land that you can grow crops on, they pay you the same as a private citizen would pay you for the same area of rocks :thumbdn:
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Is there private property in this 'answer'?
The answer to that is no as far as I could get from what I read.
thanks. I love socialism
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Guys, you really owe it to yourself to read this. Its awesome. This is a world I want to live in.
http://www.michaeltellinger.com/ubuntu-cont.php (http://www.michaeltellinger.com/ubuntu-cont.php)
Everyone contributes, everyone has more than enough to eat and drink. Everyone is educated as hell. No communist, capitalism, political parties, lobbyists, etc. Its INCREDIBLE. A blurb from the site:
Our Inalienable Rights – The Rights of all Citizens
1.The country belongs to its people
2.The land belongs to its people
3.The water belongs to the people
4.The forests belong to the people
5.The rivers and lakes belong to the people
6.The gold, the platinum, diamonds, chrome, copper, iron, uranium, tin, aluminium, and all other minerals in the ground belong to the people
7.The coal belongs to the people
8.The air and the airwaves belong to the people
9.Everything that grows on the land belongs to the people
10.The beaches, the mountains and the skies above belong to the people
11.The wild animals do not belong to us or anyone else, they belong to the planet and we are their custodians and protectors
These things DO NOT belong to the politicians, the government, or any corporation who has unlawfully claimed exclusive rights over it.
The government has stolen the country from its people. We, the people need to take it back.
Transformation
Transformation to the UBUNTU CONTRIBUTION SYSTEM cannot happen in one step. It can only be introduced in a number of phases or small steps to allow people to acclimatise to the brand new way of life and the freedom that comes with implementing the new structures. These will be highly liberating and exciting times with limitless possibilities for everyone.
The first phase will be the slow and steady decentralisations of the urban metropolitan jungles that have evolve as a result of the chase for money. The repopulation of the many smaller towns and villages across South Africa will be the first objective. Strong rural and farming communities with a variety of privileges will provide the platform for all future steps.
This boosting of these communities will be accompanied by the first wave of freedoms previously denied.
First Freedoms
To recognise these freedoms let’s remind ourselves of some of our inalienable rights. If the land belongs to the people, the rivers and the coal in the ground belongs to the people, why are we paying for these? All rural towns and farming communities will have the following freedoms.
FREE ELECTRICITY
FREE WATER
FREE HOUSING
Medium term – FREE FOOD
All possible support will be given to the farmers to produce as much organic food as possible for their own community and other communities in their area. The objective is for each community to be able to provide all the food necessary for their own needs.
The ultimate objective is not only to provide free food, but to slowly move towards the complete eradication of money from the system. Some people may find this a shocking and impossible reality. Once again, all negative sentiments about these plans are based on thousands of years of indoctrination by those who control the supply and flow of money.
The Needs of Society
What do we need as individuals and communities? The answer has been the same for thousands of years. Food, love, shelter, health, education, arts, culture, science, technology, energy, clothing, tables, chairs, books, boots, hats, and much of all the other stuff we have today. What we do NOT need is money. Money has been created as tool of enslavement to control the availability of all these things, most of the time denying people of most of them.
Money
Most people are under the incorrect assumption that money is the consequence of human evolution and thousands of years of barter and trade. As hard as this may be for some people to accept, that is an incorrect assumption. Meticulous scrutiny of our human history shows very clearly that money was introduced several thousand years ago, by a small group of royal political elites as the supreme tool of enslavement of the masses. Since the very first introduction of money this small group of very powerful individuals have controlled the printing and supply of money, and thereby control the activities on planet Earth.
•Money is the obstacle to all progress and the cause of all misery on Earth.
•Money is the major contributing factor to the gross separation and segregation in society.
•Money is the cause of 99% of crime.
•Money causes families to fall apart.
•Money is the driving force behind ego, gluttony, jealousy, greed, envy and all the ugliest aspects of humanity.
The solution is quite clear. REMOVE the problem.
Remove MONEY from society.
Conclusion
•The UBUNTU CONTRIBUTION SYSTEM is a blueprint for a new social structure in which everyone is absolutely free and equal.
•A society that functions without the concept of money, any form of barter or trade, or the attachment of value to material things.
•A culture where each individual is encouraged to follow their passion and contributes their natural talents or acquired skills to the greater benefit of all the people in the community and society at large.
•A society with a new set of laws based on the needs of the people where everything is provided freely to everyone who contributes.
•A society which promotes the highest levels of scientific and technological progress.
•A society in which arts and culture flourishes allowing people to experience life to the fullest.
•A society in which spiritual growth of its citizens through the explosion of arts and culture will allow the rapid rise of consciousness to fully embrace the concepts on unity.
•The system provides unimaginable abundance of all things on all levels, impossible to imagine by those trapped in the capitalist consumer-driven environment of today.
Fucking pie-in-the-sky nonsense. ::)
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Most cults require their membership to renounce money; that's how cult leaders get so rich.
^^ this.
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I think the main thing most are missing is the core of this design. Everything belongs to the people, and not companies, banks, or politicians. Whats wrong with that?
Uuum, because it requires theft in order for it to happen..... perhaps?? ::)
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God I can't believe the crap that Rage posts here.
I agree that governments are basically criminal organizations and they treat us like cattle.
I also agree that Wall Street and the big banks are a pack of thieves.
But goddamn, this "solution" would end up being 10 times worse than the "problem".
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He evolves his beliefs fairly quickly and that was posted in 2013. I doubt if he came back he would hold the same position.
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Then teach by example [emoji16] if people should act a certain way show them how to behave I have been told I'm gonna be like u but I told that teen no be urself how confused could that boy behave let people behave in whatever is comfy for them
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He evolves his beliefs fairly quickly and that was posted in 2013. I doubt if he came back he would hold the same position.
They are pretty funny though. :lol1: