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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: sg1008 on July 10, 2013, 03:05:30 PM
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I am going to attempt to address some conspiracy theories. I will be using logic, cost-benefit analysis, and examining the practical steps we should and can take.
A few theories to jog your memory:
WARNING: CONTENT OF THESE VIDS MAY BE DISTURBING
-fluoride in our water to dull our minds and make us controllable (http://youtu.be/ply2RF6kxmY)
-chemtrails to control climate or control population (http://youtu.be/XREsFIMX7g4) (courtesy of rage)
-aliens in gov't facilities (http://youtu.be/JDuqZbjxB_E)
-media conspiracies (control of tv shows, subliminal messaging) (http://youtu.be/CrUsZdxVGEA)
-New World Order, Illuminati (http://youtu.be/idAz7mFKPrc)
-evolution of man in order to transcend our current state and become telepathic (http://youtu.be/uAm-kbzT7xw)
-mind control devices (http://youtu.be/4osOLZKKae8)
-mass shootings orchestrated by pharmaceuticals (http://youtu.be/UhO0Pul_FcE)
-mass shootings/terrorism orchestrated by gov't (http://youtu.be/AM8b1OL2Ba8)
-marine sonar testing and mermaid cover ups (http://youtu.be/-YY9bKLfrK0)
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Argument #1: Plausibility of Examination
First of all, anyone with a moment to examine the plausibility of investigating such theories will invariably conclude that further investigation would be tedious, require expensive resources, and involve access to inaccessible information and/or people.
For many this leaves the other option of clamouring for the "truth", or demanding greater "transparency". It is the cheaper alternative to finding out the truth for oneself.
The problem with this tactic is, if you distrust someone to reveal the truth, then why is it logical to assume that whatever "truth" they reveal with be the "truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"? So, expecting to learn the truth from a source you gravely distrust is a bit oxymoronic, ain't it?
For others, this logic trap leaves another alternative; whistleblowers. These people seek to immortalize anyone who reveals anything about the distrusted parties, regardless of the relevance or utility of such information. They are the enjoyers of "sticking it to the man"....lol. Indeed, whistlelowers are useful, necessary and deserve protection, but it seems many people use the logic "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" to celebrate such deeds.
There is nothing wrong with this...but what irks me is the over-exuberant attitude that "without XYZ whistleblower we would all be lost to deception and cover up". It's a helplessness attitude that requires the average citizen to do nothing, but sit around hoping someone blows a whistle so they can then celebrate their heroism.
I don't like helplessness...so I dislike that attitude.
Anyways- for someone like you and me, the best address to this plausibility issue to realise that using our energy to clamor for truth, or over-celebrate whistleblowers, is a waste of good energy. Otherwise you get these useless blogs about Michael Jackson and Illuminati, and videos of sky gods eating chemtrails, innocent witnesses of shootings suddenly become secret undercover agents- or children of agents, and professionals are either gods with access to truth, or evil illuminati minions with too much influence.
It's so fucked up and gets on my nerves.
Two things are for certain: (1) influential power structures (media, gov't agencies, politicians, CEOs, etc) have so little credibility when it comes to transparency, truth, and protection of justice, that people will believe anything about what they are probably up to; and (2) people are fed up with their current state of living and need some "truth" to liberate them from their uneasy feelings.
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Argument #2: Ignorance can be fed, not created
In the first argument, I basically indicated that it is silly to waste time and energy examining and spreading information about things which are- from our POV- mere speculation....perhaps examination isn't in and of itself a waste, but the spreading of speculative information is. It creates more "noise" and confuses genuine attempts at discovering factual information.
For the second argument I offer a simple perspective about where ignorance comes from. Believing a lie is not something forced upon us. We take risks every time we trust; which is why a betrayal of trust is so personal and disturbing.
Ignorance comes into the picture when we overvalue "our sources" over "other sources" without any good explanation for doing so, albeit familiarity or some other psychological comfort. It's when we close our minds completely because we KNOW our information is superior, when in reality it is only partial, or perhaps not true at all.
The bottom line is, ignorance is a decision- we choose to believe in something based on our assumptions about who is telling the truth, and our lack of critical thinking. There is no way the government or any drug can manufacture that in order to control masses of people.
The most they could do is create a ripe environment for ignorance to exist, and then feed it. It would be a place where information is so scattered, and professionals so corrupt, that it takes exaggerated effort to break out of common/popular thought. A place where the alternative is so radical, most people settle for the comfortable explanation.
At any rate, it encourages inhibition of critical thought, and celebrates each persons position as "innocent bystander". So long as no individual can be blamed, then there is no need to address the issue. Thus oppression, corruption, and injustice are casually shrugged aside each day as each individual feels no connection to it at all.
At the same time, that stuff still exists...and instead of picking up a fucking history book to understand shit, people pick up all kinds of crap spewed at them by conspiracy theorists, politicians, and reputable journalists.
Just feeding ignorance, making it a nice big fat monster.
I dunno if I argued that well... my mom is talking very loudly with the neighbor making it hard to think....so I will just leave this and return later when they aren't talking so loudly. :zombiefuck:
EDIT: Okay, now that my mom stopped talking loudly...
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Argument #3: Practical steps
So, first I argued that it is implausible to delve too deep into speculation, second I argued that ignorance cannot be manufactured, only fed.
Third, I will present a few practical things we can do to combat ignorance and get away from the helplessness-rooted activities (such as clamouring for truth, praising whistleblowers).
An initial step to take would be to practice critical thinking often. Play devils advocate, and don't automatically dismiss arguments unless you have an empirical reason to do so. It is more likely you will find the truth via multiple sources, than via one.
A second step is to re-examine the ways in which you trust. Trust and respect go hand in hand....if X says so, then do you dismiss it, or give benefit of the doubt? With regards to other POVs, there is always something to learn. Learning requires some degree of trust and respect. So really, what people need is more trust in each other, and less trust of large entities.
Currently the pattern is to over trust a popular idea spewed out by a political party, religion, science foundation, or something...and to dismiss the real-life experience of a neighbor. Why should we put more trust into something removed and inaccessible, than we do in something close and available?
At any rate, it would bring thought from a large-scale conspirators place to a community issues place. Where we really have power is in our own local situation- thats where energy should be put. If we can do that then we won't be as vulnerable to the "conspiracies" in the first place, and they wont even apply.
But of course, its easier to be an innocent bystander.
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So do you deny that there is an elite taking advantage of a lazy public?
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But it is very seldom a conspiracy, merely the majority of people being ignorant about things that are either pretty open or "secret" but pretty obvious.
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But it is very seldom a conspiracy, merely the majority of people being ignorant about things that are either pretty open or "secret" but pretty obvious.
So secret organizations in all government around the world doesn't qualify as "conspiracy"?
Tell me, what do you know about this?
The Cremation of Care - Enhanced Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dHhvpHIjM#)
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I don't trust such "documentaries".
I don't doubt that the rich and powerful are often ruthless psychopaths and have secret agendas etc, but that with masonic rites and such - no.
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Well I don't believe in magical powers either, man. But they apparently do. And there they all are. World leaders from all over like to go and have secret meetings and perform their stupid religious shit around a giant owl made out of rock, pretending they are burning children to death in that place.
If nothing else, it tells you what kind of people we are allowing the important decisions to be made by. Do you really want someone who believes in Satanism (or whatever the hell that is) telling you what you should and shouldn't be doing on your own property?
I don't. These people are out of their minds.
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Guy in this vid speaks the truth. The people in charge have all the resources and money to get what they want. If the education system and economy was not going the way the higher ups desired, they could change it, LICKETY SPLIT, lemme tell ya. Logically, the rise in obesity, the drop in education quality, all these race wars, are a product of the people in charge getting what they are paying for.
The New World Order is Here! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PpMdTmVMpo#)
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Still depending to a great deal on ignorance of the average citizen. Orwell wrote his book in 1948. Huxley wrote his in 1932, even before WWII. Thus thinking and enlightened people have known or at least anticipated this for generations.
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I'm not in the business of arguing whether or not those theories are true.
My argument was- it is implausible to investigate what is inaccessible, that we do have a level of control because we control our own ignorance, and its more beneficial to focus our energies on the local scene rather than on the big conspiracy/political scene.
I'd compare it to slaves and their masters. Is it beneficial for slaves to try and keep tabs on what their masters are up to, debating amongst themselves about what master is doing what, while doing nothing to affect their continual status as a slave?
Or would it be more empowering for them to focus on their own community, their own people, then whatever devious plans their masters have won't be relevant because they can simply revolt?
If there is an grain of truth in any of the theories, the latter to me seems a more logical, and practical approach.
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I'm not in the business of arguing whether or not those theories are true.
My argument was- it is implausible to investigate what is inaccessible, that we do have a level of control because we control our own ignorance, and its more beneficial to focus our energies on the local scene rather than on the big conspiracy/political scene.
I'd compare it to slaves and their masters. Is it beneficial for slaves to try and keep tabs on what their masters are up to, debating amongst themselves about what master is doing what, while doing nothing to affect their continual status as a slave?
Or would it be more empowering for them to focus on their own community, their own people, then whatever devious plans their masters have won't be relevant because they can simply revolt?
If there is an grain of truth in any of the theories, the latter to me seems a more logical, and practical approach.
Fancy talk aside, we're being bamboozled. YES, man. I've been saying this since I was old enough to watch the news and realize how stupid it was. Nobody will fucking listen to me though.
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I listen, but what shall we do? There will be no successful revolution, as long as 99.99% are ignorant fools.
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I listen, but what shall we do? There will be no successful revolution, as long as 99.99% are ignorant fools.
An initial step to take would be to practice critical thinking often. Play devils advocate, and don't automatically dismiss arguments unless you have an empirical reason to do so. It is more likely you will find the truth via multiple sources, than via one.
A second step is to re-examine the ways in which you trust. Trust and respect go hand in hand....if X says so, then do you dismiss it, or give benefit of the doubt? With regards to other POVs, there is always something to learn. Learning requires some degree of trust and respect. So really, what people need is more trust in each other, and less trust of large entities.
Currently the pattern is to over trust a popular idea spewed out by a political party, religion, science foundation, or something...and to dismiss the real-life experience of a neighbor. Why should we put more trust into something removed and inaccessible, than we do in something close and available?
At any rate, it would bring thought from a large-scale conspirators place to a community issues place. Where we really have power is in our own local situation- thats where energy should be put. If we can do that then we won't be as vulnerable to the "conspiracies" in the first place, and they wont even apply.
I mean...I could elaborate if you'd like.
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I'm not in the business of arguing whether or not those theories are true.
My argument was- it is implausible to investigate what is inaccessible, that we do have a level of control because we control our own ignorance, and its more beneficial to focus our energies on the local scene rather than on the big conspiracy/political scene.
I'd compare it to slaves and their masters. Is it beneficial for slaves to try and keep tabs on what their masters are up to, debating amongst themselves about what master is doing what, while doing nothing to affect their continual status as a slave?
Or would it be more empowering for them to focus on their own community, their own people, then whatever devious plans their masters have won't be relevant because they can simply revolt?
If there is an grain of truth in any of the theories, the latter to me seems a more logical, and practical approach.
Fancy talk aside, we're being bamboozled. YES, man. I've been saying this since I was old enough to watch the news and realize how stupid it was. Nobody will fucking listen to me though.
You're saying this to a black person man. The people less likely to listen are the most privileged. Keep that in mind, because you wil find many allies amongst the less privileged.
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I agree with Lit. What the fuck are we supposed to do? People like this descent into madness. Its like shooting up with herion to them at the moment, and they don't realize they're gonna pay for it tenfold later on. They like this pretty fantasy painted for them by the media at the behest of the elite. They like living in.. this.
South Park- Imagination Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pifQm3IZ1tc#)
WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? :( We can't give the masses what they think they are getting from Obama and his asshole predecessors, and the same thing is happening all over the world.
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May I refer you to Argument #3: Practical steps?
I would be happy to elaborate.
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I've already been doing that, though. Trying to suggest anything about the system people depending on being corrupt instantly makes one the enemy though. Or an idiot. Or a lunatic. I mean its like most people have some kind of deep seeded phobia of the truth, and they react violently and irrationally if you give them the slightest taste of it. Example, suggest the federal reserve is responsible for almost all of America's current problems, and see what kind of a reaction you get out of people. Many would actually raise their voice at you, and accuse you of being a terrorist or something. If anyone is interested in what I mean by the federal reserve being bad, I refer you to this simplistic and easy to understand cartoon.
The Collapse of The American Dream Explained in Animation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM#ws)
Anyway, yeah. You didn't really answer my question. I'm generally seen as an asshole, because I consistently and aggressively oppose this fantasy in every way that I can, with every chance that I get. Because its been getting worse and worse for a while, and its getting worse faster and faster.
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I've already been doing that, though. Trying to suggest anything about the system people depending on being corrupt instantly makes one the enemy though. Or an idiot. Or a lunatic. I mean its like most people have some kind of deep seeded phobia of the truth, and they react violently and irrationally if you give them the slightest taste of it. Example, suggest the federal reserve is responsible for almost all of America's current problems, and see what kind of a reaction you get out of people. Many would actually raise their voice at you, and accuse you of being a terrorist or something. If anyone is interested in what I mean by the federal reserve being bad, I refer you to this simplistic and easy to understand cartoon.
The Collapse of The American Dream Explained in Animation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM#ws)
Anyway, yeah. You didn't really answer my question. I'm generally seen as an asshole, because I consistently and aggressively oppose this fantasy in every way that I can, with every chance that I get. Because its been getting worse and worse for a while, and its getting worse faster and faster.
I oppose it in a different way....actually (and this is without viewing that vid so I apologise if I say anything that doesn't need to be said) but the american dream-so called- was always a lie.
In fact, I don't blame anyone except the american people for the fuck ups this country has gone through. it started out with genocide, slavery, elitism, and incredible phobia and prejudice against most people and cultures in the world...including women, the poor, etc etc etc etc etc.
People turned the other cheek, let this stuff happen. Not much has changed...there is still a tendency to look away, or place blame on someone else when things are rotten. Like mentioned, ppl are comfortable feeling like an innocent bystander, they don't care to take personal responsibility for horrible horrible things, which would actually make them less horrible in the end.
It angers me that our entire society exists at the expense and suffering of others. It is common knowledge most products are made in sweat factories, etc...but do ppl care? Same thing when ppl were living off of slave manufactured products....same kinds of laissez faire, innocent bystander, 'its not my problem' attitude that allows businesses and govts to get away with atrocities. its our own damn fault when we choose to look the other way.
No one has compassion for other people...they scoff at the poor, disadvantaged, the sick, the ones at the bottom of it all. They keep trying to distance themselves from "that" and rise to the level of the indifferent wealthy. They care not about the earth, about their impact on other ppls lives, about anything but their own piece of the pie. They play the same game that the politicians do, except at a lower level, with smaller stakes. But its the same game, with the same consequences.
/rant
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You actually did just describe a lot of the video. But yes I agree. It our fault for allowing this to happen. Maybe people react so violently to the truth because that's a painful thing to admit.
But again, wtf am I supposed to do? How do I fight against that? Its like the perfect setup worldwide for tyranny.
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But mermaids are real I saw the vid :zoinks:
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You actually did just describe a lot of the video. But yes I agree. It our fault for allowing this to happen. Maybe people react so violently to the truth because that's a painful thing to admit.
But again, wtf am I supposed to do? How do I fight against that? Its like the perfect setup worldwide for tyranny.
Educate yourself about human rights. Be cognizant of them and prepared to defend them in your work, school, watching the news, etc. Educate others when the topic comes up. Support rights' movements by understanding them. Since there are so many, zone in on local issues. Understand whats going on in your county. Learn about attacks on your neighbors rights, and the environment around you. Learn about your local demographics...who are the minorities...any jails nearby?
You don't have to be an activist, just have an open ear whenever someone has a grievance...try to understand them--then next time your buddy doesn't understand something you can explain. You probably already do this to an extent.
Knowledge is power. TRUE knowledge is power. Speculation is weakness. Focus on the truth/facts first. Then you can take a gander at speculative theories. Look at the little people...what happens to them first happens to you second. What rights are being attacked in communities less advantaged than you? They are your canaries.
If you want to educate others, focus on sharing knowledge more than winning arguments. Most people don't know their basic human rights. Make a poster about it...you can even do a presentation about it at your school. I wish I was still in school, there is so much I could do.
Most importantly, be compassionate...people can sense the difference between being "offered" information, and having it rammed down their throats. If they ignore the info, not your problem...you can spend maybe two seconds feeling sorry for them, then move on. Getting angry at them only wastes your energy, puts you in an early grave.
Look at some good things going on in the world and get inspiration...again, knowledge is power. Never stop learning. Never assume someone has nothing to offer.
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We should be neighbors.
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We should be neighbors.
We essentially are. Algonquin territory, Ohio river.
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Yeah. :zoinks:
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Yeah. :zoinks:
Some Ojibwe and other Indians will be walking the Ohio river some time soon. If I join them on foot, I may end up near where you live.
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Yeah. :zoinks:
Some Ojibwe and other Indians will be walking the Ohio river some time soon. If I join them on foot, I may end up near where you live.
Yeah, if we're still free to move in groups by then. Read agenda 21. Advise others to read it as well. Spread that knowledge as fast as you can. *ALARM*
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Yeah. :zoinks:
Some Ojibwe and other Indians will be walking the Ohio river some time soon. If I join them on foot, I may end up near where you live.
Yeah, if we're still free to move in groups by then. Read agenda 21. Advise others to read it as well. Spread that knowledge as fast as you can. *ALARM*
This Agenda 21...? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21)
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Yeah. :zoinks:
Some Ojibwe and other Indians will be walking the Ohio river some time soon. If I join them on foot, I may end up near where you live.
Yeah, if we're still free to move in groups by then. Read agenda 21. Advise others to read it as well. Spread that knowledge as fast as you can. *ALARM*
This Agenda 21...? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21)
No. That's a wiki covering some small details about it and whining that its hard to ram it down people's throats. I posted the actual document in the Agenda 21 thread.
Fair warning. It will shock you to your core. At first it looks reasonable. Even progressive. But there are pieces of shit, sprinkled in it. As if to try and slip them by. And oh god, those pieces of shit are straight from satan's ass. I'm not joking man.
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Matter of fact, I found a video on youtube, where someone gives a short and easy to understand lecture. That should make it easier. Posting it in the agenda 21 thread. Prepare yourself.
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Matter of fact, I found a video on youtube, where someone gives a short and easy to understand lecture. That should make it easier. Posting it in the agenda 21 thread. Prepare yourself.
I'll check it out...I am weary of looking at those vids though, ppl can twist stuff in anyway they like- in some ways certain conspiracy theorists are exactly like politicians. I will read the actual document for my self...and later perhaps look at a few other sources.
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Matter of fact, I found a video on youtube, where someone gives a short and easy to understand lecture. That should make it easier. Posting it in the agenda 21 thread. Prepare yourself.
I'll check it out...I am weary of looking at those vids though, ppl can twist stuff in anyway they like- in some ways certain conspiracy theorists are exactly like politicians. I will read the actual document for my self...and later perhaps look at a few other sources.
Good good. As long as you see the kind of stuff i'm talking about is actually in there, i'm a tad relived that someone like you also has that information.
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Come on man move on to the important stuff explain how the mermaids are not real :P
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We were apparently Aquatic apes...thats why we don't have fur.
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We were apparently Aquatic apes...thats why we don't have fur.
Come on it's a cover up they just want to repress the rights of the indigenous water people
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I used to be one of these guys. all conspiracied out and shit, and then well. I could see the real reason for most conspiracy theories
some guy making money off of them. which is almost always the truth
Some conspiracy theories I do believe, because they have some actual evidence for them. such as Manchurian canidates
I also do believe in ET life, because I'm not one of these guys that believe we are gods special creation especially considering the fucking universe is huge as fuck
people like a good story, and I get that but after awhile when none of this shit happens that they are talking about it becomes pretty goddamn annoying and nauseating.
I'd rather stick my finger up my butt and then suck on it then listen to any of these assholes and their conspiracy theories
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I haven't spent a dime. :green:
But I AM concerned. I'm glad you're so damn carefree, Richard.
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well. what is a mans life? 80 years? long? what will worrying do?
shit I'm trying to enjoy my life from now on. I used to worry about all kinds of shit, its not healthy at all
I let the chips fall where they may. if it all goes to shit, then oh well. :thumbup:
but if it doesn't I can honestly say, I did the best I could. and be happy :)
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well. what is a mans life? 80 years? long? what will worrying do?
shit I'm trying to enjoy my life from now on. I used to worry about all kinds of shit, its not healthy at all
I let the chips fall where they may. if it all goes to shit, then oh well. :thumbup:
but if it doesn't I can honestly say, I did the best I could. and be happy :)
Well i'm not the lay down and take it type. And If you think theres not a lot of bullshit going on, you're wrong, man.
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/20-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true (http://thetruthwins.com/archives/20-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true)
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of course there's bullshit going on. the polio vaccination causing cancer is a little disturbing but then again taking almost any drugs has side effects. I don't think there is a drug that is made today that is totally side effect free, I doubt they put that in the polio vaccination to cause cancer, it was just something undiscovered at the time. and with better knowelege now its been discovered
They stopped giving people that vaccine for some time now, so unless you were around in the 60's I wouldn't worry about it.
My mother has had the vaccine however and has had breast cancer, several times.
The Monsanto thing is alarming, but they pretty much already genetically modifiy food. its been happening for awhile, now and unless you grow your own food there really is no other way around it. I do not however think they are doing so for population control
The Obama scandal involving the IRS is blown way out of proportion. the reason the tea baggers were looked into is because well, they are so goddamn vocal about hating the IRS thus more than likely to not be paying taxes. there was no conspiracy against them, it was more or less easy pickins for the IRS to investigate
The intimidation for the news media is alarming. that I do agree with, it should have never been done. however I do not believe it is a conspiracy either, just Obama making a really bad decision on his part.
Overall I tend to overlook websites that have "The mark of the beast" at the bottom of the page but a lot of that can be explained.
I guess I choose to be carefree because worrying, really isn't my thing anymore. but it is good being attentive to what's going on
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of course there's bullshit going on. the polio vaccination causing cancer is a little disturbing but then again taking almost any drugs has side effects. I don't think there is a drug that is made today that is totally side effect free, I doubt they put that in the polio vaccination to cause cancer, it was just something undiscovered at the time. and with better knowelege now its been discovered
They stopped giving people that vaccine for some time now, so unless you were around in the 60's I wouldn't worry about it.
My mother has had the vaccine however and has had breast cancer, several times.
The Monsanto thing is alarming, but they pretty much already genetically modifiy food. its been happening for awhile, now and unless you grow your own food there really is no other way around it. I do not however think they are doing so for population control
The Obama scandal involving the IRS is blown way out of proportion. the reason the tea baggers were looked into is because well, they are so goddamn vocal about hating the IRS thus more than likely to not be paying taxes. there was no conspiracy against them, it was more or less easy pickins for the IRS to investigate
The intimidation for the news media is alarming. that I do agree with, it should have never been done. however I do not believe it is a conspiracy either, just Obama making a really bad decision on his part.
Overall I tend to overlook websites that have "The mark of the beast" at the bottom of the page but a lot of that can be explained.
I guess I choose to be carefree because worrying, really isn't my thing anymore. but it is good being attentive to what's going on
So i'm reading between the lines here. What you're saying is, you don't think Obama and his administration really have any ill will or selfish agenda, but that they're just a bunch of stupid idiots?
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The Obama scandal involving the IRS is blown way out of proportion. the reason the tea baggers were looked into is because well, they are so goddamn vocal about hating the IRS thus more than likely to not be paying taxes. there was no conspiracy against them, it was more or less easy pickins for the IRS to investigate
I don't know how much you know about this, but heres a take you may not have seen.
http://www.libertyfirstnews.com/irs-intervened-in-elections/ (http://www.libertyfirstnews.com/irs-intervened-in-elections/)
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Well, if that really happened and they rigged a election outcome then yes, they broke the law. an investigation is underway so I guess we will just have to wait and see what the outcomes are
And rage, everyone has an agenda. even the president, however I do not think he is trying to turn America into a communist state
and I'm sure the next president will be republican, and guess what? they too will also have an agenda and I don't think they would be trying to turn the state into facism.
Its good to be attentive, but not too overly paranoid about the current state of things.
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Well, if that really happened and they rigged a election outcome then yes, they broke the law. an investigation is underway so I guess we will just have to wait and see what the outcomes are
And rage, everyone has an agenda. even the president, however I do not think he is trying to turn America into a communist state
and I'm sure the next president will be republican, and guess what? they too will also have an agenda and I don't think they would be trying to turn the state into facism.
Its good to be attentive, but not too overly paranoid about the current state of things.
I do not think he is trying to turn America into a communist state
If true communism was possible in this country, I would be all for it, actually. No, he can't turn America into a communist state, because a select few "control the spice", ya feel me?
And rage, everyone has an agenda. even the president
That's not what the asshole was elected for. I don't give a flying fuck what his personal views are, his agenda is what we tell him it is. People don't seem to understand what a president actually is, anymore. The president of the united states is a public servant. A representative of the American people. He seems to have a big problem with this, and that's why there is so much talk about impeachment. (along with breaking a shitload of laws, and getting people killed, and funding anti American intrests outside of the country with taxmoney. I.E. TERRORISM. Manufactured fucking war, just like bush's operation Iraqi freedom)
Do you not see that this guy and his thugs are just assholes Richard? Comparable to some kind of mafia?
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but the majority of people elected him. which means left leaning folk, the people calling for his impeachment are right leaning folk.
republicans, and conservatives. its common knowelege rage that almost every president has scandals, and people calling for their impeachment. it almost comes with the territory of being president, you can't be all things to all people. you will eventually piss off one group or another
Obama has done a lot more good in my opinion than wrong. of course I don't think the man is perfect, and he does make mistakes.
The good thing about our country is the messy process of democracy. don't like him? well I really don't know what to tell you. I know there are however a lot of racist fucks like that one guy that said he wanted to see Obama have a waterloo. I mean, jesus.
I'm sure whoever the next president is, he will face similar challenges because another group of people will hate him aswell.
Thus the cycle continues, until. I guess Ronald Reagan is resurrected from the dead, :zoinks:
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Obama has done a lot more good in my opinion than wrong.
In my opinion all he did was temporarily stabilize the economy. Which is quite nice. Yes.
But funding terrorism, leaving americans to die, then covering it up and intimidating people who try to make it public, nationwide blanket surveillance without consent, (no, the patriot act does not say that's okay, and its being pursued), ETCETCETC.
I'm not asking that our president be all things to all people, but I am asking that he not destroy our country and manufacture wars on purpose, and get people killed and shit. That's the product of some serious full retardation, or a very evil man.
Benghazi alone was impeachable, and i'd like to punch him right in the face for it.
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well. what is a mans life? 80 years? long? what will worrying do?
shit I'm trying to enjoy my life from now on. I used to worry about all kinds of shit, its not healthy at all
I let the chips fall where they may. if it all goes to shit, then oh well. :thumbup:
but if it doesn't I can honestly say, I did the best I could. and be happy :)
First time I read:
I let the chimps fall where they may. if it all goes to shit, then oh well. :thumbup:
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Shit happens.
When ever people start to do something good, and it works, there will be morons turning it into something they can make a profit out, no matter what. And, yes, those morons have connections with other morons.
But, the other way around happens too. People will rise and start making changes for the better. They will have connections too.
Are there huge, planned ahead, world wide conspiracies? I doubt it. Are there world wide connections based on exploitation and abuse, sure. Shit happens, all the time. The opposite happens too.
In one way, I trust no one, including myself. The other way, I trust most people. I don't want to live on edge and in fear. And I don't want to treat people as if they all are up to no good, no, I want to treat them as people that deserve to be trusted. But, I'm not turning my capacity to think off. So, doing both, trusting, and not trusting at all.
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What I mean, well, take India. Someone once thought kids needed good food, and started a feeding program. Good idea, people working with it. But then there come people seeing the opportunity of profit. And kids get poison, instead of good food. That's not a world wide conspiracy, but, it is bigger than evil on a personal level. And it could very well be bigger than just India.
There will be something good happening, on a bigger than personal level too.
There is a kind of eternal swinging of the pendulum.
Does this make me stop worrying? Not really. Havoc can lead to horrible things. And I seem to notice that people are more and more living from fear and distrust, on edge all the time.
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What I mean, well, take India. Someone once thought kids needed good food, and started a feeding program. Good idea, people working with it. But then there come people seeing the opportunity of profit. And kids get poison, instead of good food. That's not a world wide conspiracy, but, it is bigger than evil on a personal level. And it could very well be bigger than just India.
There will be something good happening, on a bigger than personal level too.
There is a kind of eternal swinging of the pendulum.
Does this make me stop worrying? Not really. Havoc can lead to horrible things. And I seem to notice that people are more and more living from fear and distrust, on edge all the time.
The poisonings were accidental and the result of carelessness, though, weren't they? Didn't think they were poisoned on purpose for profit.
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well. what is a mans life? 80 years? long? what will worrying do?
shit I'm trying to enjoy my life from now on. I used to worry about all kinds of shit, its not healthy at all
I let the chips fall where they may. if it all goes to shit, then oh well. :thumbup:
but if it doesn't I can honestly say, I did the best I could. and be happy :)
Well i'm not the lay down and take it type. And If you think theres not a lot of bullshit going on, you're wrong, man.
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/20-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true (http://thetruthwins.com/archives/20-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true)
There's a problem with that list: most of those conspiracy 'facts' are neither surprising, particularly profound and ground-breaking or just plain... relevant to the daily grind of most of us living in the Western hemisphere. Wrestling matches are arranged beforehand? Oh my dog! You must be kidding. The shock, the horror...
There's a few good ones in there, yeah... but they aren't earth shaking revelations, never the less. Monsanto has ferociously defended its monopoly on GM grain for over a decade and shows no signs of backing down- nothing to see here, move along. Celebrities and socialites want to thin the global human herd? I got news for ya, buddy... I'm just a lowly medicaid recipient and I think there's too damned many of us on the planet. I say it's high time we put our collective foot down on these lowly, pre-industrialized societies where honor killings and/or subsistence farming is the norm and say "Look, 10 kids per household is too damn many. Stop the mass breeding in the hopes that 1 kid survives disease and civil war to grow up into an adult capable of looking after you once you've become too old and arthritic to work.
/rant
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well. what is a mans life? 80 years? long? what will worrying do?
shit I'm trying to enjoy my life from now on. I used to worry about all kinds of shit, its not healthy at all
I let the chips fall where they may. if it all goes to shit, then oh well. :thumbup:
but if it doesn't I can honestly say, I did the best I could. and be happy :)
Well i'm not the lay down and take it type. And If you think theres not a lot of bullshit going on, you're wrong, man.
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/20-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true (http://thetruthwins.com/archives/20-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true)
There's a problem with that list: most of those conspiracy 'facts' are neither surprising, particularly profound and ground-breaking or just plain... relevant to the daily grind of most of us living in the Western hemisphere. Wrestling matches are arranged beforehand? Oh my dog! You must be kidding. The shock, the horror...
There's a few good ones in there, yeah... but they aren't earth shaking revelations, never the less. Monsanto has ferociously defended its monopoly on GM grain for over a decade and shows no signs of backing down- nothing to see here, move along. Celebrities and socialites want to thin the global human herd? I got news for ya, buddy... I'm just a lowly medicaid recipient and I think there's too damned many of us on the planet. I say it's high time we put our collective foot down on these lowly, pre-industrialized societies where honor killings and/or subsistence farming is the norm and say "Look, 10 kids per household is too damn many. Stop the mass breeding in the hopes that 1 kid survives disease and civil war to grow up into an adult capable of looking after you once you've become too old and arthritic to work.
/rant
So murder and conspiracy is ok? Every bone in my body farts in your general direction.
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you're using the straw man, again ragey pooh. :voodoo:
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you're using the straw man, again ragey pooh. :voodoo:
Alright, hipster. How is saying all of what you just said is bullshit and an excuse to lay on your belly and get fucked so you don't have to do any work a FUCKING STRAW MAN!?
Goddamit you faggots might be willing to be lazy pieces of fucking shit, but i'm not. The whole world is LAUGHING AT US, you asshole! Get you act together, and disassemble what bush built. Be a part of the solution. Stop being such a lazy, fat, welfare addicted part of the problem.
Or you know. You could just be a blob of fuck. In that case, fuck you.
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you're using the straw man, again ragey pooh. :voodoo:
Alright, hipster. How is saying all of what you just said is bullshit and an excuse to lay on your belly and get fucked so you don't have to do any work a FUCKING STRAW MAN!?
Goddamit you faggots might be willing to be lazy pieces of fucking shit, but i'm not. The whole world is LAUGHING AT US, you asshole! Get you act together, and disassemble what bush built. Be a part of the solution. Stop being such a lazy, fat, welfare addicted part of the problem.
Or you know. You could just be a blob of fuck. In that case, fuck you.
Is the solution to try to rally up discontent in the minds and hearts of already-malcontent apathetic members of internet message boards via mildly contentious debate, linking conspiraceh web sites, and the occasional minor tantrum?
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you're using the straw man, again ragey pooh. :voodoo:
Alright, hipster. How is saying all of what you just said is bullshit and an excuse to lay on your belly and get fucked so you don't have to do any work a FUCKING STRAW MAN!?
Goddamit you faggots might be willing to be lazy pieces of fucking shit, but i'm not. The whole world is LAUGHING AT US, you asshole! Get you act together, and disassemble what bush built. Be a part of the solution. Stop being such a lazy, fat, welfare addicted part of the problem.
Or you know. You could just be a blob of fuck. In that case, fuck you.
Is the solution to try to rally up discontent in the minds and hearts of already-malcontent apathetic members of internet message boards via mildly contentious debate, linking conspiraceh web sites, and the occasional minor tantrum?
Stop whining, cunt. You didn't get spanked enough as a child, and you need to get that unspanked ass moving as an American citizen and do something about this mess. Yeah, YOU. *points* It fucking matters.
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you're using the straw man, again ragey pooh. :voodoo:
Alright, hipster. How is saying all of what you just said is bullshit and an excuse to lay on your belly and get fucked so you don't have to do any work a FUCKING STRAW MAN!?
Goddamit you faggots might be willing to be lazy pieces of fucking shit, but i'm not. The whole world is LAUGHING AT US, you asshole! Get you act together, and disassemble what bush built. Be a part of the solution. Stop being such a lazy, fat, welfare addicted part of the problem.
Or you know. You could just be a blob of fuck. In that case, fuck you.
Is the solution to try to rally up discontent in the minds and hearts of already-malcontent apathetic members of internet message boards via mildly contentious debate, linking conspiraceh web sites, and the occasional minor tantrum?
Stop whining, cunt. You didn't get spanked enough as a child, and you need to get that unspanked ass moving as an American citizen and do something about this mess. Yeah, YOU. *points* It fucking matters.
Is the solution to try to rally up discontent in the minds and hearts of already-malcontent apathetic members of internet message boards via mildly contentious debate, linking conspiraceh web sites, and the occasional minor tantrum?
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you're using the straw man, again ragey pooh. :voodoo:
Alright, hipster. How is saying all of what you just said is bullshit and an excuse to lay on your belly and get fucked so you don't have to do any work a FUCKING STRAW MAN!?
Goddamit you faggots might be willing to be lazy pieces of fucking shit, but i'm not. The whole world is LAUGHING AT US, you asshole! Get you act together, and disassemble what bush built. Be a part of the solution. Stop being such a lazy, fat, welfare addicted part of the problem.
Or you know. You could just be a blob of fuck. In that case, fuck you.
Is the solution to try to rally up discontent in the minds and hearts of already-malcontent apathetic members of internet message boards via mildly contentious debate, linking conspiraceh web sites, and the occasional minor tantrum?
Stop whining, cunt. You didn't get spanked enough as a child, and you need to get that unspanked ass moving as an American citizen and do something about this mess. Yeah, YOU. *points* It fucking matters.
Is the solution to try to rally up discontent in the minds and hearts of already-malcontent apathetic members of internet message boards via mildly contentious debate, linking conspiraceh web sites, and the occasional minor tantrum?
Yes it's all part of Worldwide Mad Deadly Communist Gangster Computer God's grand plan
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you're using the straw man, again ragey pooh. :voodoo:
Alright, hipster. How is saying all of what you just said is bullshit and an excuse to lay on your belly and get fucked so you don't have to do any work a FUCKING STRAW MAN!?
Goddamit you faggots might be willing to be lazy pieces of fucking shit, but i'm not. The whole world is LAUGHING AT US, you asshole! Get you act together, and disassemble what bush built. Be a part of the solution. Stop being such a lazy, fat, welfare addicted part of the problem.
Or you know. You could just be a blob of fuck. In that case, fuck you.
NO, u!
:fuckyeahdance:
still setting up your strawman army before shouting it down in a torrent of rage. How..... redundant.
NOW FOR THE CAPS, cuz I'm a hopeless romantic and I CARE TOO.
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Or don't help. Thats fucking pathetic, but whatever. If doing nothing makes you happy, then go ahead. Assholes. I wouldn't expect anything out of a loser like Elle, but damn. Some people on here are surprising me.
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[Yes it's all part of Worldwide Mad Deadly Communist Gangster Computer God's grand plan
It's more like Weekly World News being taken quite seriously and as matter-of-factly as possible. :facepalm2:
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I worry that I am becoming too logical.
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[Yes it's all part of Worldwide Mad Deadly Communist Gangster Computer God's grand plan
It's more like Weekly World News being taken quite seriously and as matter-of-factly as possible. :facepalm2:
It's all because of Batboy!!!!!!
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I worry that I am becoming too logical.
:rofl:
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What I mean, well, take India. Someone once thought kids needed good food, and started a feeding program. Good idea, people working with it. But then there come people seeing the opportunity of profit. And kids get poison, instead of good food. That's not a world wide conspiracy, but, it is bigger than evil on a personal level. And it could very well be bigger than just India.
There will be something good happening, on a bigger than personal level too.
There is a kind of eternal swinging of the pendulum.
Does this make me stop worrying? Not really. Havoc can lead to horrible things. And I seem to notice that people are more and more living from fear and distrust, on edge all the time.
The poisonings were accidental and the result of carelessness, though, weren't they? Didn't think they were poisoned on purpose for profit.
They weren't poisoned on purpose, I guess, or hope. But, enough kids died of meals that had been tampered with in India that they could have known that poisoning was a likely risk to happen. So, for profit, they did decide not to take the health of the kids serious.
Apparently this last incident, the cook did not want to serve the meal, because it smelled so foul that he thought it would not end well. He had to serve it. Ate from it himself too. Last I read about it, he did not die, but did fall really sick.
The risk of kids dying was there, and was known. It wasn't the goal. But, apparently a possible side-effect that could be ignored.
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That reminds me about something once read about baby formula in China, Hyke. It's evil.
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That reminds me about something once read about baby formula in China, Hyke. It's evil.
Yes, it is. But, I don't think it is a world wide conspiracy. Even when perpetrators are from all over the world.
The baby formula stuff in China is creating a run on baby formula here in the Netherlands, being shipped to friends in China. Some of that sending safe formula from other countries will be happening with the best intentions. Some of the channels of sending formula to China will very likely be exploited for huge profit soon, either by letting prices skyrocket, or by falsifying labels again.
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What I mean, well, take India. Someone once thought kids needed good food, and started a feeding program. Good idea, people working with it. But then there come people seeing the opportunity of profit. And kids get poison, instead of good food. That's not a world wide conspiracy, but, it is bigger than evil on a personal level. And it could very well be bigger than just India.
There will be something good happening, on a bigger than personal level too.
There is a kind of eternal swinging of the pendulum.
Does this make me stop worrying? Not really. Havoc can lead to horrible things. And I seem to notice that people are more and more living from fear and distrust, on edge all the time.
The poisonings were accidental and the result of carelessness, though, weren't they? Didn't think they were poisoned on purpose for profit.
They weren't poisoned on purpose, I guess, or hope. But, enough kids died of meals that had been tampered with in India that they could have known that poisoning was a likely risk to happen. So, for profit, they did decide not to take the health of the kids serious.
Apparently this last incident, the cook did not want to serve the meal, because it smelled so foul that he thought it would not end well. He had to serve it. Ate from it himself too. Last I read about it, he did not die, but did fall really sick.
The risk of kids dying was there, and was known. It wasn't the goal. But, apparently a possible side-effect that could be ignored.
*nod* Laziness and carelessness are more profitable because they expend fewer resources. Just wanted to clarify that they weren't actively *trying* to poison the children for profit, though they *were* carelessly endangering them. Still evil, but worth making the distinction.
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but worth making the distinction.
Third wave genotype. Pfft. You disgust me. What the fuck has happened, that all the REAL women are now a minority?
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What I mean, well, take India. Someone once thought kids needed good food, and started a feeding program. Good idea, people working with it. But then there come people seeing the opportunity of profit. And kids get poison, instead of good food. That's not a world wide conspiracy, but, it is bigger than evil on a personal level. And it could very well be bigger than just India.
There will be something good happening, on a bigger than personal level too.
There is a kind of eternal swinging of the pendulum.
Does this make me stop worrying? Not really. Havoc can lead to horrible things. And I seem to notice that people are more and more living from fear and distrust, on edge all the time.
The poisonings were accidental and the result of carelessness, though, weren't they? Didn't think they were poisoned on purpose for profit.
They weren't poisoned on purpose, I guess, or hope. But, enough kids died of meals that had been tampered with in India that they could have known that poisoning was a likely risk to happen. So, for profit, they did decide not to take the health of the kids serious.
Apparently this last incident, the cook did not want to serve the meal, because it smelled so foul that he thought it would not end well. He had to serve it. Ate from it himself too. Last I read about it, he did not die, but did fall really sick.
The risk of kids dying was there, and was known. It wasn't the goal. But, apparently a possible side-effect that could be ignored.
*nod* Laziness and carelessness are more profitable because they expend fewer resources. Just wanted to clarify that they weren't actively *trying* to poison the children for profit, though they *were* carelessly endangering them. Still evil, but worth making the distinction.
It's worse than laziness and carelessness though. That last incident, that made it to be world news, the kids were forced to eat, even though it smelled like poison for agricultural use.
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What I mean, well, take India. Someone once thought kids needed good food, and started a feeding program. Good idea, people working with it. But then there come people seeing the opportunity of profit. And kids get poison, instead of good food. That's not a world wide conspiracy, but, it is bigger than evil on a personal level. And it could very well be bigger than just India.
There will be something good happening, on a bigger than personal level too.
There is a kind of eternal swinging of the pendulum.
Does this make me stop worrying? Not really. Havoc can lead to horrible things. And I seem to notice that people are more and more living from fear and distrust, on edge all the time.
The poisonings were accidental and the result of carelessness, though, weren't they? Didn't think they were poisoned on purpose for profit.
They weren't poisoned on purpose, I guess, or hope. But, enough kids died of meals that had been tampered with in India that they could have known that poisoning was a likely risk to happen. So, for profit, they did decide not to take the health of the kids serious.
Apparently this last incident, the cook did not want to serve the meal, because it smelled so foul that he thought it would not end well. He had to serve it. Ate from it himself too. Last I read about it, he did not die, but did fall really sick.
The risk of kids dying was there, and was known. It wasn't the goal. But, apparently a possible side-effect that could be ignored.
*nod* Laziness and carelessness are more profitable because they expend fewer resources. Just wanted to clarify that they weren't actively *trying* to poison the children for profit, though they *were* carelessly endangering them. Still evil, but worth making the distinction.
It's worse than laziness and carelessness though. That last incident, that made it to be world news, the kids were forced to eat, even though it smelled like poison for agricultural use.
Jesus christ. So it does go past criminal apathy and into actual active cruelty.
I wasn't trying to minimize it, by the way; I am realizing it looked like I was, and I honestly did not mean to. I just wanted to clarify because when I read it, it originally read like the kids were being purposely poisoned for profit, which honestly just doesn't make much sense. One way or the other, it's still fucking criminal.
It's fantastic how white collar crimes- which are very often the result laziness, sloppiness and carelessness rather than actual malice- get let go because of the diffuse responsibility, and the lack of intent. And, of course, the difficulty in prosecution- in turn, the power and status of those who should be prosecuted.
Example- I highly doubt anyone really wanted that factory in Bangladesh to collapse. It's still criminal that it was allowed to happen. If someone went on a shooting spree and killed and injured that many people, we'd execute them as soon as we got a good line of sight. As it is.... as far as I know/from what a brief search tells me, sanctions that have been taken thus far have all been monetary.
S'fucked. S'allfucked.
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Those arguments can be summed up to three points:
1. Determine information worth by checking for consistency and follow sources if it sounds intriguing.
2. Read up on psychology to analyze human thinking and understand it.
3. Learn how to approach others with information you have so they'll listen.
In a way you have to learn how to be your own journalist, psychologist and professional writer/speaker if you really want to seek out useful knowledge and spread it.
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Those arguments can be summed up to three points:
1. Determine information worth by checking for consistency and follow sources if it sounds intriguing.
2. Read up on psychology to analyze human thinking and understand it.
3. Learn how to approach others with information you have so they'll listen.
In a way you have to learn how to be your own journalist, psychologist and professional writer/speaker if you really want to seek out useful knowledge and spread it.
^This post has my approval.