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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: TheoK on April 15, 2013, 02:54:10 PM
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Obviously two bombs blew up anyway: Boston Marathon Explosions: Police Cite Possible Terrorist Attack (http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/04/15/boston-bombing-terrorist-attack-marathon-police-twitter/)
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I'm just curious about who's going to et blamed for this.
Iran? N.korea? Syria?
Listen closely. Can you hear the drumbeat for war?
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Do you think it is an inside job? :-\
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A third bomb went off at JFK, and a few others wer contained.
Society's ills are charming, aren't they? :facepalm2:
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It may be. It may not be.
But this will be used to convince the masses of sheeple to do something they otherwise would protest.
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A third bomb went off at JFK, and a few others wer contained.
Society's ills are charming, aren't they? :facepalm2:
Thats the JFK library
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"On days like this, there are no republicans or democrats, just americans."
~Barack Obama
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There is a chance that the bombers may be among the injured
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It may be. It may not be.
But this will be used to convince the masses of sheeple to do something they otherwise would protest.
My thoughts exactly.
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One of the dead is an 8 year old child
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One of the dead is an 8 year old child
Sad day for Boston, and for the country. :(
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I have always been amazed that stuff like this has not happened more it's not a very hard thing to do. Inside job I don't think so, it would have been bigger I don't think they will use it as an excuse for war either for the same reason and they seem to need no reason at all to whittle away at our rights so it's not that. I am sure it will be used though as much as possible as a distraction and to promote themselves as our saviors
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I have always been amazed that stuff like this has not happened more it's not a very hard thing to do. Inside job I don't think so, it would have been bigger I don't think they will use it as an excuse for war either for the same reason and they seem to need no reason at all to whittle away at our rights so it's not that. I am sure it will be used though as much as possible as a distraction and to promote themselves as our saviors
From what I understand the bombs were concussive without shrapnel.
Makes me think domestic and not an overseas job, :dunno:
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It doesn't matter to me whether it's terrorists or avenging Americans. The deaths and injuries are the same. Prayers for all those affected.
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Shit like this happens all over the world every day. I don't know any of them. Why should I care?
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You know I see an America with their rights getting dismantled daily. Things like the Patriot Act and the seemingly limitless rights of the police and any para-, semi- or associated "security" personnel. The powers of TSA agents. The unparalleled fear and constant reinforcing of the fear.
"Be afraid Americans there is another threat around the corner, so don't feel safe yet. Be on guard. Here sign over some of your rights we are protecting you.Now we are just taking some more right as the last rights you signed over where the right of consent"
Whilst the ratchet is tightening more and more, Americans are more and more saying "Hang on, fuck this..."
But now a domestic terrorist attack and I am guessing the voices will fad for a while longer and the ratchet will tighten further.
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We are so easily convinced.
Motivated by fear.
Religion, more than anything else, encourages us to give away our freedoms. We are taught to have blind faith. That there is a master plan. To do nothing....let go and let god.
Fuck that. I am responsible for my life and my community. If I let go, then I am controlled.
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Yep, let go and put your trust in god and your government.
I'll pass.
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I know this is terribly selfish BUT I see it in American and to a smaller extent in Britain and i worry it will come here too. Not the terrorism incidences. If they do there will be outrage and upset, but I worry about that effort to control and stifling the community.
In Australia we have a culture of the larrikin. The easy going, uncouth, tough battler. Stifling the people will stifle that culture.
On a less selfish note, I hate seeing it in America because I like fair, and hate disproportionate power structures used to control and enslave and dominate.
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We have the same control shit coming in the EU. Not only the UK but also Germany is much of a police state.
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We have the same control shit coming in the EU. Not only the UK but also Germany is much of a police state.
That is fucked too
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It may be. It may not be.
But this will be used to convince the masses of sheeple to do something they otherwise would protest.
Exactly. Get ready to be a subhuman piece of shit because you have a turkey hunting gun or a deer hunting rifle, guys.
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Scary stuff. What is behind it all?
Gutted about the little kid :(
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Scary stuff. What is behind it all?
Gutted about the little kid :(
Evidence points to brainless sandniggers.
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Scary stuff. What is behind it all?
Gutted about the little kid :(
Evidence points to brainless sandniggers.
Is that really necessary?
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Scary stuff. What is behind it all?
Gutted about the little kid :(
Evidence points to brainless sandniggers.
Is that really necessary?
Dude, fair warning. I'm not going to walk on eggshells for anyone. I don't do it in real life either. I don't see filtering myself to keep up with someones idea of morality and political correctness as necessary.
Evidence points to brainless sandniggers.
Translation: Evidence points to muslims who believe that the American way of life is an affront to Allah, and this gives them the right to saberrattle and murder us in order to FORCE us to think they way they do. (sure is a long and unnecessary way to say it huh?)
Translation again: Brainless sandniggers. (I don't give a shit about sparing the feelings of murderers and tyrants. I'm aware that the majority of muslims are intelligent and not willing to murder people for living in a way they don't like. Keyword INTELLIGENT. This means they are smart enough to know i'm not talking about them.)
/rant
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Am I to presume, therefore, that "sandnigger" is a part of your impulsive grammer, and it would therefore take undue effort not make such a statement, to the point you feel you are walking on eggshells if you were to refrain from doing so?
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Yes you may. ;)
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Yes you may. ;)
Alrighty then, I hope one day you may be relieved of your vernacular impulsivity. Perhaps it is some kind of keyboard tourette syndrome? Have you ever sought therapy? :P
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Its not keyboard tourettes. Its the fact that I don't care what others think when I speak. If I have a thought, I will share it. Others can take or leave my contribution however they choose to, rough as it may seem. I type exactly like I talk, and the words faggot, nigger, sandnigger, peckerwood, heeb, etc are only words to me. Only a sensitive little child would be hurt by these words from the way I see things. Would someone really allow another person to have such power over their lives that something they said had a profound affect on them?
Others may choose to waste time with such fleeting things, but I have more important things to do. I gauge taking a shit, or flossing my teeth, or chewing my food twenty four times more important than social justice and political correctness.
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The speculation is the worst part about our media. These days, they are grossly irresponsible, and in effect, glamorize tragedies.
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From what I understand the bombs were concussive without shrapnel.
Makes me think domestic and not an overseas job, :dunno:
This is why you don't comment too soon.
It turns out that both bombs were loaded with shrapnel.
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A third bomb went off at JFK, and a few others wer contained.
Society's ills are charming, aren't they? :facepalm2:
This is why you don't comment too soon.
The JFK library was an unrelated fire and no other devices were found.
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The speculation is the worst part about our media. These days, they are grossly irresponsible, and in effect, glamorize tragedies.
This is true, actually. I don't see why they had to claim it might be terrorists. I mean it probably is, judging from the evidence (an explosion in a heavily populated area, followed by another short while later. The explosive was an I.E.D., hidden in a way very reminiscent of the way they were hidden during operation iraqui freedom, etc).
But then it could be someone else. Anyone who is mentally ill and wanted to blow some people up would probably do things just like this. Its not cut and dry that anyone who uses an IED to kill people in the way done in boston is a terrorist (probably is), and the only thing that will happen from letting on that it is without the facts is anger and panic.
Scare tactics in the media. I tell you. We never learn.
Media = fags.
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Religion, more than anything else, encourages us to give away our freedoms. We are taught to have blind faith. That there is a master plan. To do nothing....let go and let god.
Fuck that. I am responsible for my life and my community. If I let go, then I am controlled.
And yet you'd be OK with your daughter being sucked into exactly that?
I don't get it.
I'd like to think that I'd be OK with my 15 year old daughter screwing her BF as long is it was based on mutual consent. However I would NOT be OK with said BF trying to indoctrinate her into a money grubbing mind control cult.
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Do you think it is an inside job? :-\
No, the devices were rather crude.
They pointed out the white smoke which would indicate to me, a black powder explosion.
I'm thinking at this point that the low-tech nature of this bombing may allow the perpetrators to get away with it.
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Do you think it is an inside job? :-\
No, the devices were rather crude.
They pointed out the white smoke which would indicate to me, a black powder explosion.
I'm thinking at this point that the low-tech nature of this bombing may allow the perpetrators to get away with it.
Yeah. Any retard can rig up a bomb from some gunpowder and a cellphone.
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Yeah. Any retard can rig up a bomb from some gunpowder and a cellphone.
It was NOT a cellphone trigger.
That's what's going to make it harder to trace. If they used a cellphone that would make it easier to trace because the signal would bounce off of a tower.
They used some kind of internal timer, possibly a sulphuric acid/ potassium chlorate timer.
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Yeah. Any retard can rig up a bomb from some gunpowder and a cellphone.
It was NOT a cellphone trigger.
That's what's going to make it harder to trace. If they used a cellphone that would make it easier to trace because the signal would bounce off of a tower.
They used some kind of internal timer, possibly a sulphuric acid/ potassium chlorate timer.
Well that's more complex than what most lazy rednecks will do then.
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Religion, more than anything else, encourages us to give away our freedoms. We are taught to have blind faith. That there is a master plan. To do nothing....let go and let god.
Fuck that. I am responsible for my life and my community. If I let go, then I am controlled.
And yet you'd be OK with your daughter being sucked into exactly that?
I don't get it.
I'd like to think that I'd be OK with my 15 year old daughter screwing her BF as long is it was based on mutual consent. However I would NOT be OK with said BF trying to indoctrinate her into a money grubbing mind control cult.
you are ok with your children relinquishing their freedom to you. I may not agree with religion, but I have no righ telling my children what to believe.
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Its not keyboard tourettes. Its the fact that I don't care what others think when I speak. If I have a thought, I will share it. Others can take or leave my contribution however they choose to, rough as it may seem. I type exactly like I talk, and the words faggot, nigger, sandnigger, peckerwood, heeb, etc are only words to me. Only a sensitive little child would be hurt by these words from the way I see things. Would someone really allow another person to have such power over their lives that something they said had a profound affect on them?
Others may choose to waste time with such fleeting things, but I have more important things to do. I gauge taking a shit, or flossing my teeth, or chewing my food twenty four times more important than social justice and political correctness.
What in the 7 hells are a peckerwood and a heeb?
:apondering:
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Its not keyboard tourettes. Its the fact that I don't care what others think when I speak. If I have a thought, I will share it. Others can take or leave my contribution however they choose to, rough as it may seem. I type exactly like I talk, and the words faggot, nigger, sandnigger, peckerwood, heeb, etc are only words to me. Only a sensitive little child would be hurt by these words from the way I see things. Would someone really allow another person to have such power over their lives that something they said had a profound affect on them?
Others may choose to waste time with such fleeting things, but I have more important things to do. I gauge taking a shit, or flossing my teeth, or chewing my food twenty four times more important than social justice and political correctness.
What in the 7 hells are a peckerwood and a heeb?
:apondering:
LMAO. I guess I only know these because i'm a country boy.
A peckerwood is a white guy. Usually rich and self entitled. (slave owner)
Heeb= Jew.
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Its not keyboard tourettes. Its the fact that I don't care what others think when I speak. If I have a thought, I will share it. Others can take or leave my contribution however they choose to, rough as it may seem. I type exactly like I talk, and the words faggot, nigger, sandnigger, peckerwood, heeb, etc are only words to me. Only a sensitive little child would be hurt by these words from the way I see things. Would someone really allow another person to have such power over their lives that something they said had a profound affect on them?
Others may choose to waste time with such fleeting things, but I have more important things to do. I gauge taking a shit, or flossing my teeth, or chewing my food twenty four times more important than social justice and political correctness.
What in the 7 hells are a peckerwood and a heeb?
:apondering:
LMAO. I guess I only know these because i'm a country boy.
A peckerwood is a white guy. Usually rich and self entitled. (slave owner)
Heeb= Jew.
Oh...
Is that where the phrase "heebie-jeebies" comes from?
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Its not keyboard tourettes. Its the fact that I don't care what others think when I speak. If I have a thought, I will share it. Others can take or leave my contribution however they choose to, rough as it may seem. I type exactly like I talk, and the words faggot, nigger, sandnigger, peckerwood, heeb, etc are only words to me. Only a sensitive little child would be hurt by these words from the way I see things. Would someone really allow another person to have such power over their lives that something they said had a profound affect on them?
Others may choose to waste time with such fleeting things, but I have more important things to do. I gauge taking a shit, or flossing my teeth, or chewing my food twenty four times more important than social justice and political correctness.
What in the 7 hells are a peckerwood and a heeb?
:apondering:
LMAO. I guess I only know these because i'm a country boy.
A peckerwood is a white guy. Usually rich and self entitled. (slave owner)
Heeb= Jew.
Oh...
Is that where the phrase "heebie-jeebies" comes from?
Actually I have no idea. Never made that connection before, but i'm gonna google it now. Lol.
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Yeah. Any retard can rig up a bomb from some gunpowder and a cellphone.
It was NOT a cellphone trigger.
That's what's going to make it harder to trace. If they used a cellphone that would make it easier to trace because the signal would bounce off of a tower.
They used some kind of internal timer, possibly a sulphuric acid/ potassium chlorate timer.
Well that's more complex than what most lazy rednecks will do then.
Battery acid and the tips of strike-anywhere matches?
Dude! that's the easiest bomb timer in the world to make.
I could start right now and have one done in 20 min.
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but I have no righ telling my children what to believe.
Agreed.
But why would you be OK with others telling your children what to believe?
especially since that belief has a hidden agenda??
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Yeah. Any retard can rig up a bomb from some gunpowder and a cellphone.
It was NOT a cellphone trigger.
That's what's going to make it harder to trace. If they used a cellphone that would make it easier to trace because the signal would bounce off of a tower.
They used some kind of internal timer, possibly a sulphuric acid/ potassium chlorate timer.
Well that's more complex than what most lazy rednecks will do then.
Battery acid and the tips of strike-anywhere matches?
Dude! that's the easiest bomb timer in the world to make.
I could start right now and have one done in 20 min.
It takes a thirty sec googlesearch to find the constituents you just listed. Most rednecks.. NO. Most AMERICANS are too fucking lazy to do that.
For proof, try and find a motorized cart not being used at your local Wal-Mart for more than five second of the day. (answer is fucking NEVER.)
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but I have no righ telling my children what to believe.
Agreed.
But why would you be OK with others telling your children what to believe?
especially since that belief has a hidden agenda??
my job as a parent is to teach my children to think critically and for themselves. If there comes a point whereby any of my children find that they want to follow a religion then I can only hope it makes them happy.
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my job as a parent is to teach my children to think critically and for themselves. If there comes a point whereby any of my children find that they want to follow a religion then I can only hope it makes them happy.
If you teach your children to think critically and for themselves AND teach them comparative religion, you will end up with a kid who rejects organized religion 99.999% of the time.
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:agreed:
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my job as a parent is to teach my children to think critically and for themselves. If there comes a point whereby any of my children find that they want to follow a religion then I can only hope it makes them happy.
If you teach your children to think critically and for themselves AND teach them comparative religion, you will end up with a kid who rejects organized religion 99.999% of the time.
im hoping so. That is why I don't need to tell them not to get into Mormonism. If I do hat then their rebellion would get the best of them....and me.
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my job as a parent is to teach my children to think critically and for themselves. If there comes a point whereby any of my children find that they want to follow a religion then I can only hope it makes them happy.
If you teach your children to think critically and for themselves AND teach them comparative religion, you will end up with a kid who rejects organized religion 99.999% of the time.
im hoping so. That is why I don't need to tell them not to get into Mormonism. If I do hat then their rebellion would get the best of them....and me.
You just need to tell them the facts about all of the BS of Mormonism.
Hell, let her watch the South Park episode on Morminism, that should tell her it's all a bunch of stupid shit.
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I'm glad that YOU know what I Need to do.
Hahaha. I am not free.
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I already decided my son can choose his own path. Religion, career etc. As long as he doesn't support Man Utd :zoinks:
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:thumbup:
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The 3rd victim hasn't been identified yet.
Who else here hopes that it's Boston Rob from Survivor??
(http://media.nj.com/entertainment_impact_tv/photo/survivor-22-boston-rob-marianojpg-ee7ce104b5cb4eff.jpg)
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He is one of my all time favorite TV personalities.
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I hate him because he stole my future wife, Amber Brkich.
(http://www.freedmultimedia.com/photography/people/amber.jpg)
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They used pressure cookers in backpacks WTF big bulky things like that and nobody noticed?
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Do you think it is an inside job? :-\
That was actually my first thought, which is depressing no matter how you look at it (says a lot about how America's going recently). I also wonder what freedoms will be taken from us NOW with this as an excuse.
Also, that a young child was killed makes me fucking sick. I hope the media focuses more on that and the victims, and frankly kind of hope they never identify the bomber even if their identity is known. Give other sick fucks who might have the same bright idea the notion that they won't get famous or make a point this way, and (on the optimistic hope that this might actually mean something to *some* would-be bombers/terrorists) remind them that the lives they take could be those of little kids.
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Bad timing:
http://what-if.xkcd.com/40/ (http://what-if.xkcd.com/40/)
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They used pressure cookers in backpacks WTF big bulky things like that and nobody noticed?
That's what I was thinking, I have an old one here I dare anyone to even "try" stuffing in a backpack...and all the other reports said the bombs where small. You have to ask yourself how much you believe.
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They used pressure cookers in backpacks WTF big bulky things like that and nobody noticed?
That's what I was thinking, I have an old one here I dare anyone to even "try" stuffing in a backpack...and all the other reports said the bombs where small. You have to ask yourself how much you believe.
That's what I thought this morning too. Need a big tracking backpack and determination to fit mine in, and then it needs to be padded up not to look to awkward too.
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They used pressure cookers in backpacks WTF big bulky things like that and nobody noticed?
That's what I was thinking, I have an old one here I dare anyone to even "try" stuffing in a backpack...and all the other reports said the bombs where small. You have to ask yourself how much you believe.
That's what I thought this morning too. Need a big tracking backpack and determination to fit mine in, and then it needs to be padded up not to look to awkward too.
You can get fairly small pressure cookers; I have one that would fit comfortably in a medium-sized backpack, especially if the handle was cut off, as well as a big pressure cooker that I'd struggle to fit into my biggest 120 litre backpack.
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Well, it was clearly someone intelligent who did this.
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They used pressure cookers in backpacks WTF big bulky things like that and nobody noticed?
That's what I was thinking, I have an old one here I dare anyone to even "try" stuffing in a backpack...and all the other reports said the bombs where small. You have to ask yourself how much you believe.
Indeed. :)
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They used pressure cookers in backpacks WTF big bulky things like that and nobody noticed?
That's what I was thinking, I have an old one here I dare anyone to even "try" stuffing in a backpack...and all the other reports said the bombs where small. You have to ask yourself how much you believe.
Indeed. :)
It was a marathon. Probably not unlikely to have backpacks stuffed with gatorade and sandwiches.... (I assume :dunno: ...never been to a marathon before, but I have been to soccer games, and also to the amusement park).
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They used pressure cookers in backpacks WTF big bulky things like that and nobody noticed?
That's what I was thinking, I have an old one here I dare anyone to even "try" stuffing in a backpack...and all the other reports said the bombs where small. You have to ask yourself how much you believe.
Indeed. :)
It was a marathon. Probably not unlikely to have backpacks stuffed with gatorade and sandwiches.... (I assume :dunno: ...never been to a marathon before, but I have been to soccer games, and also to the amusement park).
But you're so spazzy you wouldn't notice people lugging a big pressure cooker out of a backpack and hiding it in a trash can? That would seem legit to you huh?
(just sayin)
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All you people who admitted to owning a pressure cooker are now being monitored by the state. Next, they will come for your pressure cookers. I never said anything, because I didn't have ore.
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I bet I could kill a few people in this library with my penis before I could be restrained and brought in. My penis is deadly and should be outlawed. It needs to be controlled.
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I bet I could kill a few people in this library with my penis before I could be restrained and brought in. My penis is deadly and should be outlawed. It needs to be controlled.
Randy, is that you?
Fluorescent?
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Well, it was clearly someone intelligent who did this.
We'll find that out pretty soon.
The police already have persons of interest and may have suspects they're looking for.
We'll find out at the 5:00 briefing.
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Amazing.
Talking about bomb making and bomb planting and Lit has nothing to contribute to the conversation?? :orly:
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I don't know. It seems very amateurishly done, anyway. Big cans with black powder.
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Please keep in mind that pressure cookers dont kill people
People kill people
( just trying to head off any calls for the ban of pressure cookers )
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I don't know. It seems very amateurishly done, anyway. Big cans with black powder.
It's low-tech nature makes it hard to trace though.
It's almost as if some Russian immigrants made it.
There's much to be said about low tech but effective devices. :viking:
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/17/us-usa-explosions-boston-idUSBRE93F06T20130417 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/17/us-usa-explosions-boston-idUSBRE93F06T20130417)
CNN is loosing some major credibility.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/17/us-usa-explosions-boston-idUSBRE93F06T20130417 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/17/us-usa-explosions-boston-idUSBRE93F06T20130417)
CNN is loosing some major credibility.
when did they have any?
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'A distraction from reality': Comfort dogs bring peace to Boston victims
Of all the traits that make dogs special, here’s one of the best: They don’t judge you when you cry.
For that reason, specially trained therapy dogs deployed by Lutheran Church Charities are making bedside visits to dozens of hospitalized victims of the Boston Marathon bombings. Many patients are responding mightily to the one-on-one doses of canine comfort.
“It's relaxing — takes my mind off of what happened,” said David Yepez, 15, who is recovering from surgery at Tufts Medical Center after being hit in the leg by shrapnel at the epicenter of Monday’s blast.
“It’s good to have my mind away from the accident, the doctors. To have a moment of peace. [I haven’t] had many moments of peace.”
Lee Ann Yanni is another bombing survivor who relished a visit Wednesday from empathetic four-legged friends. Two golden retrievers gazed adoringly at the runner right before she underwent surgery on her shattered leg. At the time of the bombings, Yanni had been training to run her first full marathon in Chicago in October.
She said she’s absolutely planning to run again,” said Rev. Ingo Dutzmann, senior pastor of First Lutheran Church in downtown Boston, which is serving as home base for five of Lutheran Church Charities’ “K-9 Comfort Dogs.”
Dutzmann noted that the dogs — all golden retrievers — have an uncanny ability to calm and connect with injured survivors as well as hospital workers and random passersby on the street.
“We have people simply walking by on the sidewalk who see the dogs ... and with the memory of Monday, they break into tears,” Dutzmann said. “It’s the dog that allows them to express their emotions in that way, and if you’re hurting, you’ve got to let it go. With a dog, people are not afraid to do that.”
On Tuesday, three comfort dogs flew from Lutheran Church Charities’ headquarters near Chicago to Boston, where they joined two golden retrievers who had been working with grieving pupils and parents at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn.
The five dogs and their handlers have their work cut out for them in Boston. They will spend the rest of this week visiting bombing survivors at Tufts Medical Center, Massachusetts General Hospital and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, and will keep making hospital rounds next week if needed.
Their hospital visits benefit medical personnel who also are reeling from Monday’s attack. Meghan Bennett, a 25-year-old nursing student who has been caring for bombing victims, said the dogs have helped her maintain perspective.
“My stress level has gone way down,” Bennett said. “I just love dogs ... and this is a distraction from the reality. Patients’ faces light up when a dog walks into the room.”
The golden retrievers also will be present at First Lutheran Church of Boston at noon Friday for a memorial service and on Sunday morning for worship services.
“Dogs don’t speak theology,” Dutzmann said. “They just speak love.”
http://www.today.com/pets/distraction-re...-1C9406658 (http://www.today.com/pets/distraction-re...-1C9406658)
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Dogs really are man's best friend. They are so adaptable. They function in so many different ways to
fit into our lives. Dogs are awesome.
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All you people who admitted to owning a pressure cooker are now being monitored by the state. Next, they will come for your pressure cookers. I never said anything, because I didn't have ore.
I'll send them mine, FIL gave it to me...too freaked out by my mom almost blowing the lid off of one when I was a kid to ever use it. :LOL:
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This guy:
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This guy:
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These guys:
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/558064_601337083212395_1355605955_n.jpg)
Pic from People Over Politics
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Where did you get the pics?
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Knew it-
"On Monday, I watched coverage of the Boston Marathon bombing with horror. I stared at smoke rising high above streets I once wandered as a wide-eyed Midwestern teenager visiting friends in fast-moving Boston. As runners and spectators fled the scene, I immediately wondered if my loved ones were caught in the mayhem, or who on that blood-stained street might be connected to my Bostonian friends.
In the blink of an eye, the media began its frenzied search for a suspect. Who could it be? Was it Al Qaeda?1 Could it be angry domestic terrorists copying Timothy McVeigh to prove a point about their hatred of taxation and government control? A lone wolf, perhaps? And how would we ever know?
As many people and communities of color living in a post-9/11 world feared, the “colorizing” of the suspect search began almost immediately. At 8:36 p.m. on Monday, CNN claimed on its breaking news blog, “This Just In,” that “investigators have warned law enforcement officers to be on the lookout for a ‘darker-skinned or black male’ with a possible foreign accent in connection with Monday's bombings at the Boston Marathon,”2 despite lacking confirmation from federal investigators. Just 19 minutes later, the same CNN bloggers reported that a Saudi national was under guard at a local hospital – again without FBI confirmation – and essentially fanned racial fears.
And the young Saudi national that CNN referred to in its racially coded “journalism?” He’s in medical school on a student visa and is confirmed to be an innocent witness3 – but only after being interrogated and having his private residence searched by the police.
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Making matters worse, today CNN continued with its race baiting and racial fear mongering. Reporter John King repeatedly stated – without federal confirmation – that a “dark-skinned male” had been arrested this afternoon.4 Not only does this lack basic journalistic integrity, but it continues CNN’s racial profiling – inciting fear, creating distrust, and heightening anxiety within many communities of color.
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We all want to find the person or persons responsible for this appalling act of violence. But we cannot paint entire groups of people – no matter their racial identity – with broad, accusatory strokes in our zeal to bring forth justice. No innocent individuals or communities should be subjected to racial profiling for the sake of prejudicial efficiency.
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via 18million rising
You can sign a petition demanding CNN apologize to the student here: http://signon.org/sign/hey-cnn-what-makes-a (http://signon.org/sign/hey-cnn-what-makes-a)
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Where did you get the pics?
People Over Politics
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I see that now. Are they trustworthy and not the usual conspiracy "theorists"?
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Where did you get the pics?
People Over Politics
Signed
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I see that now. Are they trustworthy and not the usual conspiracy "theorists"?
I'm not entirely sure.
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I bet I could kill a few people in this library with my penis before I could be restrained and brought in. My penis is deadly and should be outlawed. It needs to be controlled.
Randy, is that you?
Fluorescent?
I'm honored you'd mistake me for Randy. I could never be as cool as that guy, bud.
I was just applying gun control logic to my penis, since it could also be used to kill someone. Its silly I know. So's gun control.
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I bet I could kill a few people in this library with my penis before I could be restrained and brought in. My penis is deadly and should be outlawed. It needs to be controlled.
Randy, is that you?
Fluorescent?
I'm honored you'd mistake me for Randy. I could never be as cool as that guy, bud.
I was just applying gun control logic to my penis, since it could also be used to kill someone. Its silly I know. So's gun control.
The difference between a gun and your penis, is that when your penis is sawed off, it becomes less dangerous.
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I bet I could kill a few people in this library with my penis before I could be restrained and brought in. My penis is deadly and should be outlawed. It needs to be controlled.
Randy, is that you?
Fluorescent?
I'm honored you'd mistake me for Randy. I could never be as cool as that guy, bud.
I was just applying gun control logic to my penis, since it could also be used to kill someone. Its silly I know. So's gun control.
The difference between a gun and your penis, is that when your penis is sawed off, it becomes less dangerous.
That's the thing though. I doubt anyone in this library could "disarm" me before I managed to ram it into an eyesocket or two. Therefore, I am capable of using my erect penis to commit murder. You see? Same as a gun. So it this pencil in my hand. Or the laptop i'm typing on. I could kill someone with a handful of Kleenex, dude. Think about that.
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I bet I could kill a few people in this library with my penis before I could be restrained and brought in. My penis is deadly and should be outlawed. It needs to be controlled.
Randy, is that you?
Fluorescent?
I'm honored you'd mistake me for Randy. I could never be as cool as that guy, bud.
I was just applying gun control logic to my penis, since it could also be used to kill someone. Its silly I know. So's gun control.
The difference between a gun and your penis, is that when your penis is sawed off, it becomes less dangerous.
That's the thing though. I doubt anyone in this library could "disarm" me before I managed to ram it into an eyesocket or two. Therefore, I am capable of using my erect penis to commit murder. You see?
What, is it super pointy or something?
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:LOL:
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I see that now. Are they trustworthy and not the usual conspiracy "theorists"?
I'm not entirely sure.
UPDATE: Yes, appears to be conspiracy theorists. The pics are real though. I thought it was my civic duty to share them in case it helps investigators find the bombers. But noooo, just saw someone on FB post about how the pics are proof it was a staged attack. WTF? How is that proof. People are such dickheads sometimes. Pointy dickheads. :P
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Prayers for all those affected.
What are you praying for? Do you think it has had any effect whatsoever?
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Prayers for all those affected.
What are you praying for? Do you think it has had any effect whatsoever?
i think it comforts some people to pray. Others are comforted when they are prayed for. Nobody believes it changes a thing. If you believe in god, then you also believe he has a plan.
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Turns out there are two people of interest. Adam Lanza and some dude named Holmes.
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Obviously two bombs blew up anyway: Boston Marathon Explosions: Police Cite Possible Terrorist Attack (http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/04/15/boston-bombing-terrorist-attack-marathon-police-twitter/)
Religulous fanatics @ it again..... :viking:
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Looks like it was a couple of Chechnyans.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17823265-boston-on-lockdown-as-details-pour-in-suspects-told-carjack-victim-they-were-marathon-bombers?lite (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17823265-boston-on-lockdown-as-details-pour-in-suspects-told-carjack-victim-they-were-marathon-bombers?lite)
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... and they were pretty stupid because they identified themselves as the bombers to the person whom they carjacked. :facepalm2:
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I would pee my pant if I saw that coming for me :hide:
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-130419-boston-manhunt/ss-130419-boston-manhunt-tease-8a.photoblog600.jpg)
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Right now, Boston cops are shitting on the 4th amendment by searching people's houses without permission or search warrants.
:tantrum:
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It seems I am now supposed to fear he Russians....again.
Or, perhaps I should be Leary of people carrying backpacks. Please media, teach me who to hate.
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Seems like they were just foreigners who are disenchanted with American society. I don't think they're Islamists because they did not sacrifice themselves.
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Right now, Boston cops are shitting on the 4th amendment by searching people's houses without permission or search warrants.
:tantrum:
I don't even think they are terrorists. They are just angry people. Terrorism would mean they have some sort of political or combative agenda...and are repping some group/religion/political persuasion, or whatever. They just seem to be like the columbine shooters, or virginia tech...bat-shit craziness.
But of course, they are going to claim they were legit "terrorists". If so, Russia is probably going to be annoyed.
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I just need to be told who to fear.
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They are just angry people. Otherwise they'd been blowing up bombs in Russia, not Boston.
It's actually worse that the cops are violating the 4th Amendment.
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Seems like a the were just foreigners guys who are disenchanted with American society. I don't think they're Islamists because they did not sacrifice themselves.
You don't have to blow yourself up to be a Jihadist, you just have to be a Jihadist who isn't stupid. :nerdy:
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Ok, I've decided that its back pack people. They are the ones to be feared.
No more Dora the explorer for me.
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(http://p.twimg.com/Az0r3woCAAAtwhq.jpg)
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:tard:
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They are just angry people. Otherwise they'd been blowing up bombs in Russia, not Boston.
They are saying that Chechnyan Jihadists had declared war on America several years ago.
I don't know how much truth there is to that. :dunno:
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They are saying the boys were framed and didn't do it.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/updates-on-aftermath-of-boston-marathon-explosions-2/ (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/updates-on-aftermath-of-boston-marathon-explosions-2/)
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Never forget what happened post-911. Don't let it repeat.
Mistaken for Muslim (http://youtu.be/viQl-p5oyHM)
1700% Project: Mistaken for Muslim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viQl-p5oyHM#ws)
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Post 911 the Mexicans had it bad.
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When 911 happened I was working with a lot of Bosnians who miraculously overnight became Croatian and Catholic overnight to anyone who asked ::)
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I had Muslim acquaintances who wouldn't use their real names for awhile, and changed the way they dressed.
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Never forget what happened post-911. Don't let it repeat.
Mistaken for Muslim (http://youtu.be/viQl-p5oyHM)
1700% Project: Mistaken for Muslim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viQl-p5oyHM#ws)
WTF is this post-modern shit?
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2nd suspect is alive in custody
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Never forget what happened post-911. Don't let it repeat.
Mistaken for Muslim (http://youtu.be/viQl-p5oyHM)
1700% Project: Mistaken for Muslim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viQl-p5oyHM#ws)
WTF is this post-modern shit?
What do you think it is?
A condemnation on ignorant violent racists who are encouraged to think this way by traditional media in America?
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Will I have to register my pressure cooker? If anyone shows too much interest in pressure cookers at flea markes and thrift stores will they have to show ID?
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It seems I am now supposed to fear he Russians....again.
Or, perhaps I should be Leary of people carrying backpacks. Please media, teach me who to hate.
Well don't be afraid, but be suspicious when you see a dude carrying some enormous bag in a crowded area. Especially if he sets the damn thing down and walks away.
I can't believed nobody at least stopped him, worried his bag might be stolen or something. You're telling me there wasn't a single "Uhh sir! Your bag!". :facepalm2:
People are domesticated faggots. If he hurried away like that, i'd have looked in it, saw a pressure cooker, and started telling everyone to gtfo.
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DAMN, but it has been a fuuuuuuucked up week. :/
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DAMN, but it has been a fuuuuuuucked up week. :/
i hope you weren't stuck with a one night stand all day long when the city was on lockdown. That would have been fucked up.
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DAMN, but it has been a fuuuuuuucked up week. :/
i hope you weren't stuck with a one night stand all day long when the city was on lockdown. That would have been fucked up.
Or it could've been fucked down.
There are many possibilities here.
Why limit your imagination? or sex life.
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Locked down and fucked up had a nice ring to it, I think.
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DAMN, but it has been a fuuuuuuucked up week. :/
i hope you weren't stuck with a one night stand all day long when the city was on lockdown. That would have been fucked up.
Screwier. My hard drive was dying all week, and I don't have a smartphone. I had no fucking clue what was happening half the time.
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Seems like they were just foreigners who are disenchanted with American society. I don't think they're Islamists because they did not sacrifice themselves.
I agree. Tamerlan Tsarnaev has, reportedly been heard stating that he was unable to understand American society, and that it's people have no moral value. I'll try to find the direct quote.
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The brother they captured is apparently in critical condition. They are saying they aren't sure if they will ever be able to question him. There is also no death penalty in Mass.
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The brother they captured is apparently in critical condition. They are saying they aren't sure if they will ever be able to question him. There is also no death penalty in Mass.
If it is charged as a federal crime, he can get the death penalty.
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I heard he was high on bath salts
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The Brothers killed three people with their bomb explosion and were shot by police. OK?
In Texas a negligent chemical plant with 1400 times the allowed amount of nitrate in their storage effectively caused an explosion that killed more people. I am waiting for reports to say the police stormed the residences of the company directors of the chemical plant and shot them.
On another note, of the brothers, both were born in Chechnya and were US Citizens. So why were there so many American screaming for retaliation against Czechoslovakia?
The ambassador had to point out that those boys:
1) likely did not act on orders from any country, so why be angry at another country over actions of two individuals?
2) Were American citizens so why go after any other country?
and here is the kicker....
3) Were born in Chechnya NOT Czechoslovakia.....so WTF?
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The Brothers killed three people with their bomb explosion and were shot by police. OK?
In Texas a negligent chemical plant with 1400 times the allowed amount of nitrate in their storage effectively caused an explosion that killed more people. I am waiting for reports to say the police stormed the residences of the company directors of the chemical plant and shot them.
On another note, of the brothers, both were born in Chechnya and were US Citizens. So why were there so many American screaming for retaliation against Czechoslovakia?
The ambassador had to point out that those boys:
1) likely did not act on orders from any country, so why be angry at another country over actions of two individuals?
2) Were American citizens so why go after any other country?
and here is the kicker....
3) Were born in Chechnya NOT Czechoslovakia.....so WTF?
the media
The media
The media.
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Did I mention the media?
The fertilizer plant that exploded had not been inspected by OSHA since 1985.
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Did I mention the media?
The fertilizer plant that exploded had not been inspected by OSHA since 1985.
I think that the owners ought to be dragged into the streets by their ties. Strange though isn't it that they are not as hated as the people that killed far less?
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Did I mention the media?
The fertilizer plant that exploded had not been inspected by OSHA since 1985.
I think that the owners ought to be dragged into the streets by their ties. Strange though isn't it that they are not as hated as the people that killed far less?
not under capitalism. They make money and dodge taxes. So what if they killed people, they are hero's. ::)
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Its sad and it the same here too in no less way. :thumbdn:
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It's the same everywhere :thumbdn:
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People must quit worshiping tyrants and hating whistle blowers.
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:agreed: :plus:
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People must quit worshiping tyrants and hating whistle blowers.
Never thought I would write this BUT I owe you +1
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2 Arrested in Canada Planned to Attack Train, Police Say
OTTAWA — The Royal Canadian Mounted Police said that they had arrested two men on Monday who had been planning to derail a passenger train.
But they offered few details of the plot or their evidence at a news conference in Toronto called to announce the arrests.
Assistant Commissioner James Malizia said that the two suspects had received “direction and guidance” from “Al Qaeda elements living in Iran,” but that there was no evidence that the effort was sponsored by the government of Iran.
He declined to explain how the link to Al Qaeda had been made.
The two suspects were identified as Chiheb Esseghaier, 35, who has been living in Toronto, and Raed Jaser, 30, who has been living in Montreal. The police said they were not Canadian citizens, but declined to identify their nationalities or to describe their immigration status in Canada.
Chief Superintendent Jennifer Strachan said that the two men watched trains in and around Toronto and were plotting to attack a train operated by Via Rail Canada, the government-owned rail system, within Canada.
The police emphasized that the public was never in “imminent danger.” They said that the two suspects had been under constant observation and that contingency plans had been made.
The police also executed search warrants at several locations in Toronto and Montreal on Monday afternoon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/world/....html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/world/....html?_r=0)
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All this shit is irrelevant. It was all but garaunteed that some psychos would eventually commit a terrorist act or school shooting eventually. But lets not raise awareness and educate people. Lets make them even more helpless. In fact lets pass a law that everyone has to have an enormous assplug in so they can't run away from anyone. MAkes it easier for cops, psychos, violent dickfaces, and ELITESELITESELITES
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All this shit is irrelevant. It was all but garaunteed that some psychos would eventually commit a terrorist act or school shooting eventually. But lets not raise awareness and educate people. Lets make them even more helpless. In fact lets pass a law that everyone has to have an enormous assplug in so they can't run away from anyone. MAkes it easier for cops, psychos, violent dickfaces, and ELITESELITESELITES
so, rage, what's on your mind?
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All this shit is irrelevant. It was all but garaunteed that some psychos would eventually commit a terrorist act or school shooting eventually. But lets not raise awareness and educate people. Lets make them even more helpless. In fact lets pass a law that everyone has to have an enormous assplug in so they can't run away from anyone. MAkes it easier for cops, psychos, violent dickfaces, and ELITESELITESELITES
so, rage, what's on your mind?
Lmfao. Gun control, more authoritarian police state bullshit, general dumbfuckery. This will be used as more weight in the argument towards "domesticating" the masses. Mark my words.
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All this shit is irrelevant. It was all but garaunteed that some psychos would eventually commit a terrorist act or school shooting eventually. But lets not raise awareness and educate people. Lets make them even more helpless. In fact lets pass a law that everyone has to have an enormous assplug in so they can't run away from anyone. MAkes it easier for cops, psychos, violent dickfaces, and ELITESELITESELITES
so, rage, what's on your mind?
Lmfao. Gun control, more authoritarian police state bullshit, general dumbfuckery. This will be used as more weight in the argument towards "domesticating" the masses. Mark my words.
right.
If you want change then you have to also root for an erosion of personal liberties. They must go before elope wake. The. Fuck. Up.
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All this shit is irrelevant. It was all but garaunteed that some psychos would eventually commit a terrorist act or school shooting eventually. But lets not raise awareness and educate people. Lets make them even more helpless. In fact lets pass a law that everyone has to have an enormous assplug in so they can't run away from anyone. MAkes it easier for cops, psychos, violent dickfaces, and ELITESELITESELITES
so, rage, what's on your mind?
Lmfao. Gun control, more authoritarian police state bullshit, general dumbfuckery. This will be used as more weight in the argument towards "domesticating" the masses. Mark my words.
right.
If you want change then you have to also root for an erosion of personal liberties. They must go before elope wake. The. Fuck. Up.
I see where you're going with this, and its an eventual civil war. I don't want to actually fight a war if I don't have to man. War sucks.
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Do you think 'sit ins' will help change things? Kumbaya and shit.
The rich are laughing their asses off. March up the hill and break their windows and they'll notice. If they are smart, they will yield a bit of power in an effort to keep it.
Do you think that passive resistance will change things?
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Do you think 'sit ins' will help change things? Kumbaya and shit.
The rich are laughing their asses off. March up the hill and break their windows and they'll notice. If they are smart, they will yield a bit of power in an effort to keep it.
Do you think that passive resistance will change things?
Well no of course not. But all out war will hurt America. This is why I've been racking my brain and having pow wows with people. To find a non destructive answer. I don't care about the ultra rich fags because they don't care about me. I'd just as soon kill them with my bare hands. But I don't want there to be a lot of destruction, or weakening of my beloved country. Feel me brah?
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Do you think 'sit ins' will help change things? Kumbaya and shit.
The rich are laughing their asses off. March up the hill and break their windows and they'll notice. If they are smart, they will yield a bit of power in an effort to keep it.
Do you think that passive resistance will change things?
Well no of course not. But all out war will hurt America. This is why I've been racking my brain and having pow wows with people. To find a non destructive answer. I don't care about the ultra rich fags because they don't care about me. I'd just as soon kill them with my bare hands. But I don't want there to be a lot of destruction, or weakening of my beloved country. Feel me brah?
Here is the non violent solution.
Vote anti incumbent. If politicians begin to learn that representing the wishes of the voters is politically profitable then change will happen.
It shouldn't take longer than three voting cycles, six years.
Or they might take away our right to vote. That happens and change happens in a big fucking hurry.
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Do you think 'sit ins' will help change things? Kumbaya and shit.
The rich are laughing their asses off. March up the hill and break their windows and they'll notice. If they are smart, they will yield a bit of power in an effort to keep it.
Do you think that passive resistance will change things?
Well no of course not. But all out war will hurt America. This is why I've been racking my brain and having pow wows with people. To find a non destructive answer. I don't care about the ultra rich fags because they don't care about me. I'd just as soon kill them with my bare hands. But I don't want there to be a lot of destruction, or weakening of my beloved country. Feel me brah?
Here is the non violent solution.
Vote anti incumbent. If politicians begin to learn that representing the wishes of the voters is politically profitable then change will happen.
It shouldn't take longer than three voting cycles, six years.
Or they might take away our right to vote. That happens and change happens in a big fucking hurry.
The problem is convincing others to do this without seeming like a know-it-all. Even my GF already says i'm too "rigid" and "judgemental".
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People need only be convinced that the two parties are the same. And they are puppets of the rich.
Not a hard sell.
I think
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People need only be convinced that the two parties are the same. And they are puppets of the rich.
Not a hard sell.
I think
YEah. It is. :(
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the media
The media
The media.
:plus:
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I am going to change my name to Omar Jasser. Then I am going to [fake] plan an attack and get caught. When the police announce to the media I might be taking orders from alqaeda, then someone from an unknown location will send cds to every news station, as well as youtube, full of information about my [fake] plot. It will also tell the police chiefs and media to go fuck themselves.
:M
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Omar is a Mexican name.
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Omar is a Mexican name.
Omar is arabic....what not muslim enough?
Alright, AbuKasir Amar-Jasser. That's not even a name but people will believe it.
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Omar is a Mexican name.
I knew a guy called Omar. He was from Saudi Arabia.
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Omar is a Mexican name.
I knew a guy called Omar. He was from Saudi Arabia.
i live in a border state. Borders with Mexico.
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Black people also use the name Omar. But that's because a lot of slaves were Muslims so that's why a lot of their names are arabic.
Like Jasmine for instance. Or Jamal.
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The Manchester Guardian has published a copy of the actual criminal complaint filed against Tsarnaev.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/apr/22/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-criminal-complaint-charges (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/apr/22/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-criminal-complaint-charges)
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The Manchester Guardian has published a copy of the actual criminal complaint filed against Tsarnaev.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/apr/22/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-criminal-complaint-charges (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/apr/22/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-criminal-complaint-charges)
What is the definition of "WMD" that they are using? Surely not the one used when invading Iraq....I mean, pressure cookers and grenades....?
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From: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/tsarnaev-charged/ (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/tsarnaev-charged/)
Here’s Why Tsarnaev Was Charged With Using a ‘Weapon of Mass Destruction’
(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2013/04/bostonmarathonbomb.jpg)
Boston Marathon bomb scene pictures taken by investigators show the remains of an explosive device. Photo: Joint Terrorism Task Force via FBI
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing, was charged today with using a weapon of mass destruction. It’s yet another circumstance where the legal and colloquial definitions of “weapon of mass destruction” are at odds.
The actual bomb Tsarnaev allegedly constructed and detonated is pretty much the opposite of what people think about when they think “weapon of mass destruction,” a vague term that usually means a weapon carrying an unconventional payload, like a nuclear, chemical or biological yield. The FBI affiant, Special Agent Daniel Genck, confirms the bombs used pressure cookers for their hulls — “of the same brand” — packed with “low grade explosive” containing BBs and nails and a “green hobby fuse.”
Bashar Assad’s chemical arsenal this ain’t. But, as Danger Room explained after U.S. citizen and anti-Assad fighter Eric Harroun, faced similar charges, “weapon of mass destruction” is a very broad category under federal law. Grenades, mines, missiles and rockets all apply. So do homemade bombs of the sort Tsarnaev allegedly constructed. About all that doesn’t apply are firearms and pyrotechnics gear. No one ever said the law had to coincide with military terminology.
We’ve argued all this helps speak to the definitional absurdity surrounding “weapons of mass destruction,” and indicates the infamous term ought to be retired, replaced instead by the specifics of what an explosive actually is or does. None of that bears on Tsarnaev’s case.
But Genck’s affidavit shows that the type of bomb that killed three and wounded approximately 180 at the Boston Marathon April 15 also helped build the government’s case against Tsarnaev. The explosive devices used at the scene of Friday morning’s wild Watertown battle between the brothers and police aligned with the composition of those used at the Marathon, down to the “green-colored hobby fuse.” And while the accused bomber was in the hospital yesterday, the FBI searched his University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth dormitory, the affidavit states, and found “a large pyrotechnic, a black jacket and a white hat” similar to the kind Suspect Two wore on the surveillance footage of the Marathon that agents watched.
Tsarnaev is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. There appears to be no similar redress scheduled for the way in which the law contorts a common-sense meaning of an already vague term about some of the world’s deadliest weapons.
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I am going to change my name to Omar Jasser. Then I am going to [fake] plan an attack and get caught. When the police announce to the media I might be taking orders from alqaeda, then someone from an unknown location will send cds to every news station, as well as youtube, full of information about my [fake] plot. It will also tell the police chiefs and media to go fuck themselves.
:M
They'll torture you, and use the media to make it okay to kill you, regardless of what you say. Theres no way you can't be a terrorist once they already claimed you were.
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I am going to change my name to Omar Jasser. Then I am going to [fake] plan an attack and get caught. When the police announce to the media I might be taking orders from alqaeda, then someone from an unknown location will send cds to every news station, as well as youtube, full of information about my [fake] plot. It will also tell the police chiefs and media to go fuck themselves.
:M
They'll torture you, and use the media to make it okay to kill you, regardless of what you say. Theres no way you can't be a terrorist once they already claimed you were.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6285631744/hBB5F1E7E/)
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Indeed. You don't seem to be an American. You would be really shocked to find out just how little freedom the citizen in the "land of the free" really has.
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Indeed. You don't seem to be an American. You would be really shocked to find out just how little freedom the citizen in the "land of the free" really has.
George W Bush always made me think he was president of murka.
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Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.
Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8#)
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Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.
Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8#)
I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.
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Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.
Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8#)
I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.
Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot :zombiefuck:
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Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.
Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8#)
I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.
Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot :zombiefuck:
1. The person who filmed and posted that may be in worlds of trouble for taking unauthorized video of police. (Recordings with sound can't be taken without consent, and police get super-pissy about being filmed, of course. And can make your life hell if you piss 'em off)
2. The violation of having your home raided by cops is something I think most people can barely conceptualize. And the cops can make it worse if they want to- not just tearing things apart, but also just destroying things, because they can. It's not just a search tactic, it's also a way to intimidate and send a message. What can be done in an hour or two can take literally MONTHS to properly undo, depending on how much energy you have to rebuild that which was destroyed.
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Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.
Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8#)
I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.
Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot :zombiefuck:
1. The person who filmed and posted that may be in worlds of trouble for taking unauthorized video of police. (Recordings with sound can't be taken without consent, and police get super-pissy about being filmed, of course. And can make your life hell if you piss 'em off)
2. The violation of having your home raided by cops is something I think most people can barely conceptualize. And the cops can make it worse if they want to- not just tearing things apart, but also just destroying things, because they can. It's not just a search tactic, it's also a way to intimidate and send a message. What can be done in an hour or two can take literally MONTHS to properly undo, depending on how much energy you have to rebuild that which was destroyed.
It's the shooting pets that bothers me the most.
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Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.
Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8#)
I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.
Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot :zombiefuck:
1. The person who filmed and posted that may be in worlds of trouble for taking unauthorized video of police. (Recordings with sound can't be taken without consent, and police get super-pissy about being filmed, of course. And can make your life hell if you piss 'em off)
2. The violation of having your home raided by cops is something I think most people can barely conceptualize. And the cops can make it worse if they want to- not just tearing things apart, but also just destroying things, because they can. It's not just a search tactic, it's also a way to intimidate and send a message. What can be done in an hour or two can take literally MONTHS to properly undo, depending on how much energy you have to rebuild that which was destroyed.
I will never more call America a free country. Why wouldn't you be allowed to film the pigs? They are officials, ergo: it should be known to the public what they are doing in their work.
This is also one of the reasons why it feels so good every time a cop gets what he deserves.
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Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.
Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8#)
I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.
Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot :zombiefuck:
1. The person who filmed and posted that may be in worlds of trouble for taking unauthorized video of police. (Recordings with sound can't be taken without consent, and police get super-pissy about being filmed, of course. And can make your life hell if you piss 'em off)
2. The violation of having your home raided by cops is something I think most people can barely conceptualize. And the cops can make it worse if they want to- not just tearing things apart, but also just destroying things, because they can. It's not just a search tactic, it's also a way to intimidate and send a message. What can be done in an hour or two can take literally MONTHS to properly undo, depending on how much energy you have to rebuild that which was destroyed.
Actually to your first point, you are wrong. They have appeal an old loophole a few times and it has always been struck down.
That said not only is the rest of what you said is true BUT even though you are allowed to film them. Perfectly legal. They DO get pissy and there is nothing REALLY that you can do once they decide to get pissy, as they get exonerated for their overreactions.
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I am rather surprised that such an intelligent bunch of people (ie many of the above posters) thought they lived in a free country.
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I am rather surprised that such an intelligent bunch of people (ie many of the above posters) thought they lived in a free country.
Haha, I live in Europe. 30 years ago or so, when watching American movies, it seemed like America was the best country on the planet.
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Actually Rage is right.
Redefine if the suspect is REALLY a citizen.
See if the laws and various amendments can be used to justify a suppression of rights.
Redefine every aspect of crime to infer a the ability to cast him as a non-citizen or the crime as a terrorist act
Challenge any attempt to challenge
Turn the media against him to put pressure on anyone seeking to make a ruling against him in the court.
Treat him ALWAYS as guilty before innocent.
Once you have this in place, things become a slippery slope and freedom can slide. especially if after every "terrorist act" you amp up the fear mongering and use the impetus to slide through dodgy bills and suppress rights.
In my lifetime there will be a civil war in America :( (the upping the ante ratchetting of rights can only go so far before a monumental push back against the established bourgeois)
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Actually Rage is right.
Redefine if the suspect is REALLY a citizen.
See if the laws and various amendments can be used to justify a suppression of rights.
Redefine every aspect of crime to infer a the ability to cast him as a non-citizen or the crime as a terrorist act
Challenge any attempt to challenge
Turn the media against him to put pressure on anyone seeking to make a ruling against him in the court.
Treat him ALWAYS as guilty before innocent.
Once you have this in place, things become a slippery slope and freedom can slide. especially if after every "terrorist act" you amp up the fear mongering and use the impetus to slide through dodgy bills and suppress rights.
In my lifetime there will be a civil war in America :( (the upping the ante ratchetting of rights can only go so far before a monumental push back against the established bourgeois)
Indeed. I'm so not looking forward to another war in my lifetime. Especially one on American soil. It makes one have a pretty dim view of the future.
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I am rather surprised that such an intelligent bunch of people (ie many of the above posters) thought they lived in a free country.
Haha, I live in Europe. 30 years ago or so, when watching American movies, it seemed like America was the best country on the planet.
The propaganda was very effective.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22296830 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22296830)
This whole fucking thing is stressing me out. I don't know who to trust!! :tinfoil:
Maybe the suspect will get a damn good lawyer and I hope the trial is public because I really want to hear what he is saying for himself. Is he denying it? What's going on??
And why aren't fertilizer plants which blow up half a town not more of a concern?
:hair:
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All is well trust the government they know whats best for you.
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All is well trust the government they know whats best for you.
The opposite of what America actually stands for. :zoinks:
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All is well trust the government they know whats best for you.
The opposite of what America actually stands for. :zoinks:
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/iqoncept/iqoncept1208/iqoncept120800079/14955482-the-words-trust-us-surrounded-by-arrows-in-a-cirle-diagram-pattern-each-with-a-word--reliable-experi.jpg)
This is the new better America we care trust us and all will be well :)
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All is well trust the government they know whats best for you.
The opposite of what America actually stands for. :zoinks:
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/iqoncept/iqoncept1208/iqoncept120800079/14955482-the-words-trust-us-surrounded-by-arrows-in-a-cirle-diagram-pattern-each-with-a-word--reliable-experi.jpg)
This is the new better America we care trust us and all will be well :)
Well you guys talk a good game, but i'd rather shoot you all center mass with this rifle i'm allowed to own. Because I say so. Not you. Fuck the elite.
(lol)
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Obey me-hypnotic swirl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVEaDYnHTpk#)
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If media covered America the way we cover foreign cultures
April 22, 2013
You really need to be following the writing of Sarah Kendzior this week as she rips the major media outlets for their utter incompetence in understanding the role of race, ethnicity and nationality in the Boston Marathon bombing. The fact is: we don’t know what motivated these men. There will be a trial – and then we will know more. In the mean time, the American media has been throwing out every possible stereotype (indomitable mountain men!!!) and disjointed factoid from Wikipedia their interns could gather.
Now, Juan Cole isn’t really “the media,” and I normally enjoy his analysis of Middle East affairs quite a bit – but I was perplexed by his trying to use 19th century literature to explain Monday’s actions in absence of thorough knowledge about the motive’s of the alleged bombers.
“They were playing the nihilists Arkady and Bazarov in Turgenev’s Fathers and Sons,” explained scholar Juan Cole, citing an 1862 Russian novel to explain the motives of a criminal whose Twitter account was full of American rap lyrics. One does not recall such use of literary devices to ascertain the motives of less exotic perpetrators, but who knows? Perhaps some ambitious analyst is plumbing the works of Faulkner to shed light on that Mississippi Elvis impersonator who tried to send ricin to Obama.
Cole’s connection to philosophical nihilism might be a stretch, but it’s sure a lot better than those hyperventilating that one of the suspects was named after a brutal Mongol warlord!!! As my own son is named after the Norman conqueror who slaughtered Saxons to dominate England, I find this analysis unhelpful.
Why can we not just say, “I don’t know. Nobody knows. This was horrible. Our justice system will tell us the rest?” That would be honest, calm and dignified – but this is the American media we are talking about.
Now, for those of you without backgrounds in intercultural analysis, maybe this doesn’t seem too ridiculous. Let me illustrate how inaccurate such wild speculations would sound if it were about a culture you did understand.
Let us say that a guy got drunk at a bar outside of Mobile, Alabama, got in a fight with some dudes about University of Alabama versus Ole Miss college football, and ended up shooting them dead in the parking lot.
Terrible, right? Stupid, violent, too many damn guns, shame, right?
Now imagine that some foreigners slapped a crappy pseudo-anthropological analysis on top, full of weird historical references, non-sequitur references to the church, and misguided assumptions about ethnicity.
DATELINE APRIL 21, 2013
IT HAS HAPPENED AGAIN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN:
Yet another massacre has occurred in the historically war-torn region of the Southern United States – and so soon after the religious festival of Easter.
Brian McConkey, 27, a Christian fundamentalist militiaman living in the formerly occupied territory of Alabama, gunned down three men from an opposing tribe in the village square near Montgomery, the capitol, over a discussion that may have involved the rituals of the local football cult. In this region full of heavily-armed local warlords and radical Christian clerics, gun violence is part of the life of many.
Many of the militiamen here are ethnic Scots-Irish tribesmen, a famously indomitable mountain people who have killed civilized men – and each other – for centuries. It appears that the wars that started on the fields of Bannockburn and Stirling have come to America.
As the sun sets over the former Confederate States of America, one wonders – can peace ever come to this land?
Sometimes, people are in a cult of violence tied up with religious fundamentalism and nationalistic terror groups.
Sometimes, they are just savages who come from a place that might have churches and politically-motivated knuckleheads.
Being a real analyst of international affairs, you need to understand how subtle that difference can be.
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So, we have the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act, what will they use this for if they keep to the principle of never let a crisis go to waste?
They said they found bomb making plans on the Internet, so CISPA?
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Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.
Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8#)
I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.
Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot :zombiefuck:
1. The person who filmed and posted that may be in worlds of trouble for taking unauthorized video of police. (Recordings with sound can't be taken without consent, and police get super-pissy about being filmed, of course. And can make your life hell if you piss 'em off)
2. The violation of having your home raided by cops is something I think most people can barely conceptualize. And the cops can make it worse if they want to- not just tearing things apart, but also just destroying things, because they can. It's not just a search tactic, it's also a way to intimidate and send a message. What can be done in an hour or two can take literally MONTHS to properly undo, depending on how much energy you have to rebuild that which was destroyed.
Actually to your first point, you are wrong. They have appeal an old loophole a few times and it has always been struck down.
That said not only is the rest of what you said is true BUT even though you are allowed to film them. Perfectly legal. They DO get pissy and there is nothing REALLY that you can do once they decide to get pissy, as they get exonerated for their overreactions.
Really? Someone remind me to try and hunt down some official-seeming info on this US law (or do it for me! I am a lazy 'merican after all), because I was pretty damn sure recording with sound without consent or warrant was still illegal.
You are right though- either way, you piss off cops, you're making scary-ass enemies.
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First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press. ..." This has been interpreted to mean that no government entity may curtail free speech and press activities. Photography in its broadest sense is protected as a form of free expression; however, constitutional protections are not absolute and may be subject to "reasonable time, place and manner restrictions," and the main keyword is "reasonable.
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The U.S. Constitution says lots of things but people don't always want to pay attention or want to interpret their own way. While photography is protected as you said in broad terms does it matter that much when they treat you like this (http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/bead.jpg) or they arrest you make you get a lawyer then toss the case?
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I think that in western Europe only German cops come and get people in military vehicles and only when suspected for terrorism.
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Obey me-hypnotic swirl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVEaDYnHTpk#)
SUCK A COCK!
(http://blog.roomanna.com/08-29-2011/newfound-freedom/freedom.jpg)
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First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press. ..." This has been interpreted to mean that no government entity may curtail free speech and press activities. Photography in its broadest sense is protected as a form of free expression; however, constitutional protections are not absolute and may be subject to "reasonable time, place and manner restrictions," and the main keyword is "reasonable.
Although it says that. there are laws against filming the police. They recently passed a law in (Illinois?) which allows people to film police, so that the cops can't demand they stop filming.
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First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press. ..." This has been interpreted to mean that no government entity may curtail free speech and press activities. Photography in its broadest sense is protected as a form of free expression; however, constitutional protections are not absolute and may be subject to "reasonable time, place and manner restrictions," and the main keyword is "reasonable.
Although it says that. there are laws against filming the police. They recently passed a law in (Illinois?) which allows people to film police, so that the cops can't demand they stop filming.
No use trying to make sense of things at this point. All thats left is to either fall in line and learn fifty new reules monthly, or start movements demanding these fucks to back off.
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So, we have the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act, what will they use this for if they keep to the principle of never let a crisis go to waste?
They said they found bomb making plans on the Internet, so CISPA?
the pressure cooking pot calling the kettle black act.
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First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press. ..." This has been interpreted to mean that no government entity may curtail free speech and press activities. Photography in its broadest sense is protected as a form of free expression; however, constitutional protections are not absolute and may be subject to "reasonable time, place and manner restrictions," and the main keyword is "reasonable.
Although it says that. there are laws against filming the police. They recently passed a law in (Illinois?) which allows people to film police, so that the cops can't demand they stop filming.
The irony of course is that any time a police is in their car they are filming. If they pull you over they are filming you. Walk into any major metropolitan city, you are being filmed. Same goes for audio in respect to the police car.
Now I ask you, were you asked personally for your consent? Would you have a leg to stand on if as a citizen you were to question this surveillance? They want to remain unable to be censored. Their "If you have done nothing wrong then it should not matter...goes both ways"
America is just allowing its police and government and law courts strip its rights. That is all.
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What you just mentioned is the absurdity of all states, though - no one ever gave their consent to be ruled by a state at all.
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What you just mentioned is the absurdity of all states, though - no one ever gave their consent to be ruled by a state at all.
Well, someone did...either via agreement, or acquiescence.
See, the thing about our forefathers was- they were so friggin' high on the idea of having thousands of acres of "unowned" land to claim, that they didn't make very intelligent or ethical decisions, and were easily led on by people who promised to protect their "right" to do whatever they wanted.
Just imagine you get on a boat and land on a giant continent and are told, just take your pick, you can do whatever you want. People went beserk, and then they were all afraid of the beasts (fauna) and savages (people) which were indigenous, so they supported anyone who would protect their land and cattle and sought to "tame" the entire contient with wheat fields, as such.
And of course, at the time, slaves were merely livestock...they didn't really see them as men, but as the missing link between monkeys and white people. So, whatever rights they gave to animals they gave to slaves. And then, all the sudden immigrants started pouring in from other parts of the world (not just white people), so ppl got real nervous because the land is for white people...they didn't want it to be a china or a mexico...they wanted it to be the best version of white culture.
This was supposed to be a white country. People still believe that it is.
:facepalm2:
It didn't get off to a great start (ethically) so now it's tripping on itself trying to make up for previous missteps. Unfortunately, it's not doing a good job...but on the bright side, people are more aware of their rights (as humans) than they once were (even as they are being taken away).
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What you just mentioned is the absurdity of all states, though - no one ever gave their consent to be ruled by a state at all.
Well, someone did...either via agreement, or acquiescence.
See, the thing about our forefathers was- they were so friggin' high on the idea of having thousands of acres of "unowned" land to claim, that they didn't make very intelligent or ethical decisions, and were easily led on by people who promised to protect their "right" to do whatever they wanted.
Just imagine you get on a boat and land on a giant continent and are told, just take your pick, you can do whatever you want. People went beserk, and then they were all afraid of the beasts (fauna) and savages (people) which were indigenous, so they supported anyone who would protect their land and cattle and sought to "tame" the entire contient with wheat fields, as such.
And of course, at the time, slaves were merely livestock...they didn't really see them as men, but as the missing link between monkeys and white people. So, whatever rights they gave to animals they gave to slaves. And then, all the sudden immigrants started pouring in from other parts of the world (not just white people), so ppl got real nervous because the land is for white people...they didn't want it to be a china or a mexico...they wanted it to be the best version of white culture.
This was supposed to be a white country. People still believe that it is.
:facepalm2:
It didn't get off to a great start (ethically) so now it's tripping on itself trying to make up for previous missteps. Unfortunately, it's not doing a good job...but on the bright side, people are more aware of their rights (as humans) than they once were (even as they are being taken away).
Actually I disagree to some extent. The constitution was written reasonably well BUT when you get biased agendas in politics and bills are pushed through into legislation without any proper consultation or thought as to repercussions of what may be and the government is controlled by large interests groups and fear and ignorance lead to things to 'protect right" by granting too much power and too little rights.....then the original intents or sphere of control and governance matter not a damn, because you are light years away from the original rights granted
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The whole concept of a state appears absurd. It is obvious that totally free people never surrendered to this system voluntarily. Now I mean several thosand years back. It is so obvious that the smartest and richest psychopaths subjugated the absolute majority with brute force.
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What you just mentioned is the absurdity of all states, though - no one ever gave their consent to be ruled by a state at all.
Well, someone did...either via agreement, or acquiescence.
See, the thing about our forefathers was- they were so friggin' high on the idea of having thousands of acres of "unowned" land to claim, that they didn't make very intelligent or ethical decisions, and were easily led on by people who promised to protect their "right" to do whatever they wanted.
Just imagine you get on a boat and land on a giant continent and are told, just take your pick, you can do whatever you want. People went beserk, and then they were all afraid of the beasts (fauna) and savages (people) which were indigenous, so they supported anyone who would protect their land and cattle and sought to "tame" the entire contient with wheat fields, as such.
And of course, at the time, slaves were merely livestock...they didn't really see them as men, but as the missing link between monkeys and white people. So, whatever rights they gave to animals they gave to slaves. And then, all the sudden immigrants started pouring in from other parts of the world (not just white people), so ppl got real nervous because the land is for white people...they didn't want it to be a china or a mexico...they wanted it to be the best version of white culture.
This was supposed to be a white country. People still believe that it is.
:facepalm2:
It didn't get off to a great start (ethically) so now it's tripping on itself trying to make up for previous missteps. Unfortunately, it's not doing a good job...but on the bright side, people are more aware of their rights (as humans) than they once were (even as they are being taken away).
Actually I disagree to some extent. The constitution was written reasonably well BUT when you get biased agendas in politics and bills are pushed through into legislation without any proper consultation or thought as to repercussions of what may be and the government is controlled by large interests groups and fear and ignorance lead to things to 'protect right" by granting too much power and too little rights.....then the original intents or sphere of control and governance matter not a damn, because you are light years away from the original rights granted
I agree, but have to add that it was written reasonably well, on the back of a slave, with the blood of an Indian, by an indentured servant.
:zoinks:
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What you just mentioned is the absurdity of all states, though - no one ever gave their consent to be ruled by a state at all.
Well, someone did...either via agreement, or acquiescence.
See, the thing about our forefathers was- they were so friggin' high on the idea of having thousands of acres of "unowned" land to claim, that they didn't make very intelligent or ethical decisions, and were easily led on by people who promised to protect their "right" to do whatever they wanted.
Just imagine you get on a boat and land on a giant continent and are told, just take your pick, you can do whatever you want. People went beserk, and then they were all afraid of the beasts (fauna) and savages (people) which were indigenous, so they supported anyone who would protect their land and cattle and sought to "tame" the entire contient with wheat fields, as such.
And of course, at the time, slaves were merely livestock...they didn't really see them as men, but as the missing link between monkeys and white people. So, whatever rights they gave to animals they gave to slaves. And then, all the sudden immigrants started pouring in from other parts of the world (not just white people), so ppl got real nervous because the land is for white people...they didn't want it to be a china or a mexico...they wanted it to be the best version of white culture.
This was supposed to be a white country. People still believe that it is.
:facepalm2:
It didn't get off to a great start (ethically) so now it's tripping on itself trying to make up for previous missteps. Unfortunately, it's not doing a good job...but on the bright side, people are more aware of their rights (as humans) than they once were (even as they are being taken away).
Actually I disagree to some extent. The constitution was written reasonably well BUT when you get biased agendas in politics and bills are pushed through into legislation without any proper consultation or thought as to repercussions of what may be and the government is controlled by large interests groups and fear and ignorance lead to things to 'protect right" by granting too much power and too little rights.....then the original intents or sphere of control and governance matter not a damn, because you are light years away from the original rights granted
I agree, but have to add that it was written reasonably well, on the back of a slave, with the blood of an Indian, by an indentured servant.
:zoinks:
Hence the "to some extent"...you did not miss that part did you? Hope not.
You are saying that the white settlers miswrote the Constitution and that its freedoms were badly written and set the wheels in motion to result in the same freedoms being extinguished for the white people down the track and the reason is that they wrote it badly is because they were supporting in their culture slave ownership and engaging in genocide against the local indigenous people of America. (Rather than being accused now of placing words in your mouth or trying to change your intention or whatever...I will say...this is my OPINION of what you are trying to say and my reading)
I am saying that the wrote a great constitution to protect "white interests" and the society has eroded these rights by degrees themselves AND the people who wrote the constitution were hypocrites, accepting a culture of slavery and subjugation BUT it does in no way relate to the constitution's strength and intent.
I am not disagreeing that genocide of an indigenous people is good nor that slavery is good. I do not understand its impact in your position.
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What you just mentioned is the absurdity of all states, though - no one ever gave their consent to be ruled by a state at all.
Well, someone did...either via agreement, or acquiescence.
See, the thing about our forefathers was- they were so friggin' high on the idea of having thousands of acres of "unowned" land to claim, that they didn't make very intelligent or ethical decisions, and were easily led on by people who promised to protect their "right" to do whatever they wanted.
Just imagine you get on a boat and land on a giant continent and are told, just take your pick, you can do whatever you want. People went beserk, and then they were all afraid of the beasts (fauna) and savages (people) which were indigenous, so they supported anyone who would protect their land and cattle and sought to "tame" the entire contient with wheat fields, as such.
And of course, at the time, slaves were merely livestock...they didn't really see them as men, but as the missing link between monkeys and white people. So, whatever rights they gave to animals they gave to slaves. And then, all the sudden immigrants started pouring in from other parts of the world (not just white people), so ppl got real nervous because the land is for white people...they didn't want it to be a china or a mexico...they wanted it to be the best version of white culture.
This was supposed to be a white country. People still believe that it is.
:facepalm2:
It didn't get off to a great start (ethically) so now it's tripping on itself trying to make up for previous missteps. Unfortunately, it's not doing a good job...but on the bright side, people are more aware of their rights (as humans) than they once were (even as they are being taken away).
Actually I disagree to some extent. The constitution was written reasonably well BUT when you get biased agendas in politics and bills are pushed through into legislation without any proper consultation or thought as to repercussions of what may be and the government is controlled by large interests groups and fear and ignorance lead to things to 'protect right" by granting too much power and too little rights.....then the original intents or sphere of control and governance matter not a damn, because you are light years away from the original rights granted
I agree, but have to add that it was written reasonably well, on the back of a slave, with the blood of an Indian, by an indentured servant.
:zoinks:
Hence the "to some extent"...you did not miss that part did you? Hope not.
You are saying that the white settlers miswrote the Constitution and that its freedoms were badly written and set the wheels in motion to result in the same freedoms being extinguished for the white people down the track and the reason is that they wrote it badly is because they were supporting in their culture slave ownership and engaging in genocide against the local indigenous people of America. (Rather than being accused now of placing words in your mouth or trying to change your intention or whatever...I will say...this is my OPINION of what you are trying to say and my reading)
I am saying that the wrote a great constitution to protect "white interests" and the society has eroded these rights by degrees themselves AND the people who wrote the constitution were hypocrites, accepting a culture of slavery and subjugation BUT it does in no way relate to the constitution's strength and intent.
I am not disagreeing that genocide of an indigenous people is good nor that slavery is good. I do not understand its impact in your position.
Thank you for clarifying that it is your opinion. I really appreciate it. :)
I said I agree. Of course it was written well...they wanted it to be superior. I was just pointing out it's hypocrisy...which has everything to do with how it was implemented. Having laws which protect rights for some but not all can really turn something good on it's head. That context cannot be separated from the document because it has had everything to do with the discussion about people and rights in this country from day 1, until now.
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What you just mentioned is the absurdity of all states, though - no one ever gave their consent to be ruled by a state at all.
Well, someone did...either via agreement, or acquiescence.
See, the thing about our forefathers was- they were so friggin' high on the idea of having thousands of acres of "unowned" land to claim, that they didn't make very intelligent or ethical decisions, and were easily led on by people who promised to protect their "right" to do whatever they wanted.
Just imagine you get on a boat and land on a giant continent and are told, just take your pick, you can do whatever you want. People went beserk, and then they were all afraid of the beasts (fauna) and savages (people) which were indigenous, so they supported anyone who would protect their land and cattle and sought to "tame" the entire contient with wheat fields, as such.
And of course, at the time, slaves were merely livestock...they didn't really see them as men, but as the missing link between monkeys and white people. So, whatever rights they gave to animals they gave to slaves. And then, all the sudden immigrants started pouring in from other parts of the world (not just white people), so ppl got real nervous because the land is for white people...they didn't want it to be a china or a mexico...they wanted it to be the best version of white culture.
This was supposed to be a white country. People still believe that it is.
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It didn't get off to a great start (ethically) so now it's tripping on itself trying to make up for previous missteps. Unfortunately, it's not doing a good job...but on the bright side, people are more aware of their rights (as humans) than they once were (even as they are being taken away).
Actually I disagree to some extent. The constitution was written reasonably well BUT when you get biased agendas in politics and bills are pushed through into legislation without any proper consultation or thought as to repercussions of what may be and the government is controlled by large interests groups and fear and ignorance lead to things to 'protect right" by granting too much power and too little rights.....then the original intents or sphere of control and governance matter not a damn, because you are light years away from the original rights granted
I agree, but have to add that it was written reasonably well, on the back of a slave, with the blood of an Indian, by an indentured servant.
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Hence the "to some extent"...you did not miss that part did you? Hope not.
You are saying that the white settlers miswrote the Constitution and that its freedoms were badly written and set the wheels in motion to result in the same freedoms being extinguished for the white people down the track and the reason is that they wrote it badly is because they were supporting in their culture slave ownership and engaging in genocide against the local indigenous people of America. (Rather than being accused now of placing words in your mouth or trying to change your intention or whatever...I will say...this is my OPINION of what you are trying to say and my reading)
I am saying that the wrote a great constitution to protect "white interests" and the society has eroded these rights by degrees themselves AND the people who wrote the constitution were hypocrites, accepting a culture of slavery and subjugation BUT it does in no way relate to the constitution's strength and intent.
I am not disagreeing that genocide of an indigenous people is good nor that slavery is good. I do not understand its impact in your position.
Thank you for clarifying that it is your opinion. I really appreciate it. :)
I said I agree. Of course it was written well...they wanted it to be superior. I was just pointing out it's hypocrisy...which has everything to do with how it was implemented. Having laws which protect rights for some but not all can really turn something good on it's head. That context cannot be separated from the document because it has had everything to do with the discussion about people and rights in this country from day 1, until now.
Generally you can't judge history by today's standards it must be looked at in context of it's time. Socially and culturally people 200 years ago where very different than they are today.
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/north_america/jan-june13/boston_04-25.html (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/north_america/jan-june13/boston_04-25.html)
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DAMN, but it has been a fuuuuuuucked up week. :/
i hope you weren't stuck with a one night stand all day long when the city was on lockdown. That would have been fucked up.
Screwier. My hard drive was dying all week, and I don't have a smartphone. I had no fucking clue what was happening half the time.
Fucking millennial!! :LMAO:
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DAMN, but it has been a fuuuuuuucked up week. :/
i hope you weren't stuck with a one night stand all day long when the city was on lockdown. That would have been fucked up.
Screwier. My hard drive was dying all week, and I don't have a smartphone. I had no fucking clue what was happening half the time.
Fucking millennial!! :LMAO:
...not even sure how to unpack your response here, but, for one thing, did you read the part where I didn't have a smartphone?
(Still don't, btw)
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I think Pappy was alluding to how we old people grew up in an era where only banks and NASA had computers. Mobile phones were science fiction. And we found out what was going on in the world by reading newspapers and watching the news on TV.
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I think Pappy was alluding to how we old people grew up in an era where only banks and NASA had computers. Mobile phones were science fiction. And we found out what was going on in the world by reading newspapers and watching the news on TV.
Didn't, and don't, have cable. *shrug*
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I think Pappy was alluding to how we old people grew up in an era where only banks and NASA had computers. Mobile phones were science fiction. And we found out what was going on in the world by reading newspapers and watching the news on TV.
Didn't, and don't, have cable. *shrug*
Some people like to think they know everything about you based on your skin colour and what generation you belong to. I wouldn't sweat it.