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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: bodie on November 09, 2012, 08:13:47 AM
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Sometimes i watch telly. I like documentary's. I saw two programs this morning. The first one was about the heroic actions of those in the London 7/7 tube bombings. Quite humbling really, one girl (a teenager) who was a walking wounded decided not to run and escape but stopped to help someone who would have bled to death if she had not made a tourniquet for his leg. She was :viking:
Then, i saw something about this:
(http://assets.natgeotv.com/Shows/22861.jpg)
It is a lampshade made by Nazi's out of human skin.
How fucked up is that? Why are people so ... erm different. Some capable of such good, and others....
am about to chuck out telly again. :grrr:
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Ick
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Don't blame the telly. :tv:
Who knows why we vary so much, but thank you for sharing the story of that
BRAVE girl. I love hearing about everyday heroes! :viking:
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Don't blame the telly. :tv:
Who knows why we vary so much, but thank you for sharing the story of that
BRAVE girl. I love hearing about everyday heroes! :viking:
Yes so do I, and i often wonder if i were in a situation like that if i could be brave.
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Don't blame the telly. :tv:
Who knows why we vary so much, but thank you for sharing the story of that
BRAVE girl. I love hearing about everyday heroes! :viking:
Yes so do I, and i often wonder if i were in a situation like that if i could be brave.
I wonder that too. I hope I could be, but panic might override my good intentions. :apondering:
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I reckon if i could focus my brain before the shock come on, i would be ok.
I have always been inclined to cope with major calamities quite well, but then get tearful over a broken nail. :tard:
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I have found when under a lot of stress in an emergency situation you just do and not think it's later when you do think about it things make you nervous.
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In the past i have been able to wait until it becomes safe to break down and cry. Not sure if i could put that emotion on hold in a bomb situation.
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I reckon if i could focus my brain before the shock come on, i would be ok.
I have always been inclined to cope with major calamities quite well, but then get tearful over a broken nail. :tard:
:indeed: Some people are like that, flustered in everyday life but magnificent in a crisis.
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I have found when under a lot of stress in an emergency situation you just do and not think it's later when you do think about it things make you nervous.
If I had some prior training and knew *what* to do, I think I'd hold up OK. :apondering:
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I have found when under a lot of stress in an emergency situation you just do and not think it's later when you do think about it things make you nervous.
If I had some prior training and knew *what* to do, I think I'd hold up OK. :apondering:
One thing I always thought they should teach in school was first aid and it should be mandatory. I spent grades 6-12 in Florida and 7-10 grade we had it every year in PE class for about a week. I also had to take it in collage as a health class. Where I live now they don't teach it at all
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Yes i agree. I would not have had the idea to use a tourniquet in order to save someone's life. (the man lost his leg but would have also bled to death without her help)
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I don't understand it but I've come to terms with it.
Some people are good and some are just evil.
Whether the events in their life helped "make" them that way or they were just always that way I don't know.
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What's scary is that the same people can be guilty of both
Nazis who could be incredibly sadistic or overlook the most awful crimes against humanity, can at the same time be kind, generous and sensitive people in another situation. Usually depending on the person involved. A lot of Nazis involved in the holocaust or related violence would have been good, decent family men who were liked by their community and would have done just what that teenage girl did on 7/7 - but then in a different environment, and more importantly when faced with a different type of person, they're capable of either taking part in or overlooking the second kind of behaviour.
It's mostly down to dehumanising people. The Nazis didn't view the Jews/Slavs as people like themselves. They were Untermenschen. Subhuman. Lower than dogs. So to them, how is making a lampshade out of human skin any different to a woman who wears a fur coat? That;s how it would be seemed to them.
A good example of this is stories of German soldiers in the East being completely oblivious to Russian peasants seeing them naked or even taking a shit in view of them. Obviously that's an extreme example, but it happened because they didn;t see them as people. In the same way that most of us wouldn't be embarrassed by a pet walking in on us in the same way we would another person
That's what's fucked up about thiese things. We're all capable of good and bad, and no matter what views/beliefs you have, no matter what type of person you are in this life, you can never truly now how you would have acted in a different environment. I often think about that. Who in my neighourhood would be the ones spitting on the [Jews] in the street, and who would be the one to risk their lives hiding someone in their loft? There's no way of knowing. We all like to think we'd at the very least not ACTIVELY take part in the persecution of the [Jews] if we'd been there. But the fact is that the percentage of people who wouldn't is much lower than the % of people who like to THINK they wouldn't.
Think of all the 18-40 "Aryan" men you know. Most of them would have been in uniform in some way. Some would have been in the police or the SS. There's no way for us to know how we would have behaved
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I have to be honest. I can think of a lot of people i'd brutally torture to death and craft into objects if I could get away with it. And I don't really consider myself to be evil. We all have equal parts good and bad.
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What's scary is that the same people can be guilty of both
Nazis who could be incredibly sadistic or overlook the most awful crimes against humanity, can at the same time be kind, generous and sensitive people in another situation. Usually depending on the person involved. A lot of Nazis involved in the holocaust or related violence would have been good, decent family men who were liked by their community and would have done just what that teenage girl did on 7/7 - but then in a different environment, and more importantly when faced with a different type of person, they're capable of either taking part in or overlooking the second kind of behaviour.
That's what scared me the most of all the stories on WWII, I could have been on the bad side just as easy. Once you are forced through the threshold of decency there is no holding back.
Having lived in a place with a "Durchgangslager" history, knowing that concentration camp had been built by the Dutch, before the war, did not make my view on the good of people more optimistic.
Yet, almost every day, I also see things that are just kind, and good, without any reward as an incentive happening.
People do have both in them indeed.
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
Look at bullying, the difference between average boys and average girls is in the format. Read some polls amongst kids about what was worse, girl bullying was seen as the worst, both by girls as by boys.
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I agree Hyke, girls can be worse. I also think men are much more inclined to shake hands after and let things be.
A lot of small children were rounded up and put to a firing squad in the holocaust and i can't help but think that maternal side present in women would have influenced that decision. Had women been part of the authority.
It is just something i am pondering over. We will never know what difference, if any, they could have made.
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I agree Hyke, girls can be worse. I also think men are much more inclined to shake hands after and let things be.
A lot of small children were rounded up and put to a firing squad in the holocaust and i can't help but think that maternal side present in women would have influenced that decision. Had women been part of the authority.
It is just something i am pondering over. We will never know what difference, if any, they could have made.
Once someone has become a torturer, they will try to do it to perfection. A maternal insight could have made the torture even more extreme.
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^ That is one horrid thought. I just remembered Myra Hindley.
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^ That is one horrid thought. I just remembered Myra Hindley.
:zombiefuck:
Just googled her. Not something to read as a bedtime story. :zombiefuck:
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Women can be just as evil and vile as men they just seem to hide it better.
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I still find it hard to imagine a woman, possibly a mother could give an order to shoot a little kid. To stand over and watch the proceedings. I just KNOW i could never ever be a part of something like that, no matter what it's creed/religion/parentage - i couldn't do that to any offspring - human, animal or even alien.
I would never harm anyone's children. Even those of the enemy.
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Some women are evil towards their own children, nevermind the children of others. Look at women who let their fucked up partners rape their kids. Women who abuse their own children
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Some women are evil towards their own children, nevermind the children of others. Look at women who let their fucked up partners rape their kids. Women who abuse their own children
There probably will be fathers looking away when mothers rape their kids too.
And, there are girls, letting themselves get raped by their fathers for years, in the hope to protect their siblings from the same fate.
The best, and the worst, it can be found so entwined.
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:zombiefuck:
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:zombiefuck:
Knew a woman, who for years had taken it from her stepdad, to save her younger sisters from that fate. Was an extra blow in her face when she found out he never kept the bargain.
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I can say that I have delt with some real fuck alls in life. how do I deal with them? I dont. I'm not jesus christ so I cant possibly forgive everyone who has done me wrong. I do treat others most of the time with understanding, respect and whatever else other kind of bullshit hurdle it is I must jump to ignore thier flaws. And of course i'm never perfect either, so I'm shure i've been the topic of conversation before.
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Hmm...I could do with a new lampshade come to think of it, there isn't one on the bulb in my bedroom, although its low wattage to begin with, and fitted with a dimmer switch, I think the dimmer needs a new pot, as the contacts are a bit iffy. Meaning its too bright a lot of the time.
And you are wrong about the presence of females in the nazi camps bodie, there were quite a few infamous ones:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_guards_in_Nazi_concentration_camps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_guards_in_Nazi_concentration_camps)
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Hitler and his henchmen were all male. I have been looking into this and have only found women in the roles that follow orders. Not at the top of the tree. The worst one i found was the woman who made the lampshade - the wife of the evil doctor.
Not sure what Eva Braun was like. Not checked her out yet, but wasn't she just Hitlers bit of stuff?
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In fact nazi women were expected to be homemakers. They received medals if they produced more than four children. Girls were groomed to be mothers, and boys to be soldiers. Women were excluded from politics. Yes there were some female guards, and a handful that carried out certain duties within the nazi party. They were never part of any decision making process.
It was not that different from the rest of europe, at that time.
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In fact nazi women were expected to be homemakers. They received medals if they produced more than four children. Girls were groomed to be mothers, and boys to be soldiers. Women were excluded from politics. Yes there were some female guards, and a handful that carried out certain duties within the nazi party. They were never part of any decision making process.
So, can we just blame them for producing a bunch of soft-minded, easily led sons with no backbone, honor, or respect for human life?
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True, AFAIK, females could never outrank males within the nazi party/concentration camp hierarchy.
As far as I read, the jewskin lampshades, actually turned out to be made of goat skin.
As for eva braun, according to wikipedia at least, she isn't cited as having been responsible for any atrocities, save the testing of the cyanide capsules used for her suicide alongside hitler when he shot himself on a dog.
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Eva Braun was just a dumb bitch. Pretty boring really.
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Women all over europe enjoyed their status of being housewives. The distinction in nazi germany was that they actually had any rights held previously dissolved. Women elsewhere were being elevated.
Before Hitler came to power, women held 30 seats out of about 500. Not many eh? But that figure was reduced to zero after Hitler gained control. They also had restrictions put on them like 'wearing trousers was not permitted' etc. They were just breeding vessels.
No, i wouldn't blame the women for the shit they spewed out, i would say they had a restricted gene pool and that is where the fucked up traits came from. :zoinks:
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The program about the lampshade was on National Geographic chanel. It was tested by forensics in 2000 and they concluded it was human. Recent technological advances prompted them to send it off again to see if they could trace dna to a certain group of people (jews) but i went out and missed the end.
So, i really don't know its official classification.
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
Wrong! You must have not heard of Agrippina the younger (Nero's mother), Queen Ranavalona of Madagascar, Elizabeth Bathory or Queen Mary I of England. That is off the top of my head. Women are no less capable of evil than men are.
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
Wrong! You must have not heard of Agrippina the younger (Nero's mother), Queen Ranavalona of Madagascar, Elizabeth Bathory or Queen Mary I of England. That is off the top of my head. Women are no less capable of evil than men are.
And yet you put a gun into my hands, you are truly :arrr:
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
Wrong! You must have not heard of Agrippina the younger (Nero's mother), Queen Ranavalona of Madagascar, Elizabeth Bathory or Queen Mary I of England. That is off the top of my head. Women are no less capable of evil than men are.
And yet you put a gun into my hands, you are truly :arrr:
I had my Level III kevlar vest on too. :hahaha: :zoinks:
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
Wrong! You must have not heard of Agrippina the younger (Nero's mother), Queen Ranavalona of Madagascar, Elizabeth Bathory or Queen Mary I of England. That is off the top of my head. Women are no less capable of evil than men are.
And yet you put a gun into my hands, you are truly :arrr:
I had my Level III kevlar vest on too. :hahaha: :zoinks:
Stop making excuses for your gut. :hahaha:
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I have never said women are sugar and spice. I said they were absent from the decision making process in nazi germany which made me wonder if there could have been a different outcome if it happened today.
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Considering the way some of the female concentration camp guards ran things, that was rather my point. They have already proven themselves to be capable of cold, calculated sadism; such as for instance, casually shooting small children for amusement.
And as already stated, in the past we had some real villainesses, such as Bathory etc. (the vampire countess, who bathed in, and drank the blood of servant girls believing it would keep her looking youthful)
Just being female doesn't automatically equate to loving and motherly. Look at the case of that recent-ish nursery paedo ring, some ugly, bloated whore bitch by the name of vanessa george got busted for being a nonce, and hitting it off with some male nonce in a paedo relationship. One of her fantasies IIRC was to kidnap, fuck and murder some small kid.
Fucking dirty bitch. Hopefully she gets raped repeatedly while inside.
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
Wrong! You must have not heard of Agrippina the younger (Nero's mother), Queen Ranavalona of Madagascar, Elizabeth Bathory or Queen Mary I of England. That is off the top of my head. Women are no less capable of evil than men are.
I agree.
That said, what surprises me is the couples that manage to get together. Like the wests (Rosemmary and fred west)
How does this kind of thing ever happen? :GA:
"Hey there sweetheart, you make me so happy being with you."
"And i with you. I am so happy"
"You know rather than just going to bed tonight and making love, do you want to shake things up and pick up a stray prostitute and then take turns sexually assaulting her in the basement and then slowly torture her to death whilst she is bound and gagged?"
"Gee that sounds exciting and adventurous..why not?"WTF????
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Oh well i accept the argument that women can be vile. You can sling as many examples as you like. The truth is women were omitted from the decision making process on both sides. Therefore i find it hard to say that events would have been the same. They could, of course, have been worse. We will never know. But, for every evil woman you dig out of history there is also a good one.
Stanisława Leszczyńska was a woman who worked in Auschwitz too. She worked in the so called Maternity Ward there were thousands of babies were drowned in barrels of water. She defied her orders, and risked her own life by not taking part in the infanticide. She faced the wrath of Dr Mengele. She saved the lives of many babies and mothers. There are many stories of people who risked their lives like this.
Then you have the nobel peace prize winners, emily greene balch, mother teresa. Also historical women such as Lady Godiva who paraded naked around Coventry on horseback to protest to her own husband that his taxes on the poor were too many.
Who knows what would have happened in WWII. The only thing i know is that half of the population were excluded from the decisions. Do men and women think alike...always?
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@ al
Another couple like that Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. They do seem to find each other. Perhaps one of them takes advantage of the lurve thing and coaches the weaker one! :dunno:
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@ al
Another couple like that Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. They do seem to find each other. Perhaps one of them takes advantage of the lurve thing and coaches the weaker one! :dunno:
Yeah but I think I spend too much time trying to work out how these types of people would actually ever get to the stage where they are...I dunno...talking about this kind of stuff. I know rationally they must. I know the expression that there is someone for everyone. i just am completely flummoxed.
Even the type of pedo rings and things like that kind of alarm and amaze me equally. Most people find all these kinds of things revolting on a viseral level. I do not know how these kinds of people negotiate these things and meet others like them.
They can not exactly brand Sick twisting human on their forehead. It would be so much nicer if they would though. Make it so much easier to round them up and execute them.
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
Wrong! You must have not heard of Agrippina the younger (Nero's mother), Queen Ranavalona of Madagascar, Elizabeth Bathory or Queen Mary I of England. That is off the top of my head. Women are no less capable of evil than men are.
Andrea Yates, Chevonne Thomas, Tonya Thomas, Aileen Wuornos, Livia Soprano, my mother-in-law, Myra Hindley,
I think Irma Grese is the example that Bodie is looking for though, as she was a guard at Ravensbrück, Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen. Ilse Koch, "The Bitch of Buchenwald", is another example of an evil Nazi woman. She collected tattoos.
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Your mother in law? :zombiefuck:
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
Wrong! You must have not heard of Agrippina the younger (Nero's mother), Queen Ranavalona of Madagascar, Elizabeth Bathory or Queen Mary I of England. That is off the top of my head. Women are no less capable of evil than men are.
Andrea Yates, Chevonne Thomas, Tonya Thomas, Aileen Wuornos, Livia Soprano, my mother-in-law, Myra Hindley,
Current or former? :-\
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
Wrong! You must have not heard of Agrippina the younger (Nero's mother), Queen Ranavalona of Madagascar, Elizabeth Bathory or Queen Mary I of England. That is off the top of my head. Women are no less capable of evil than men are.
Andrea Yates, Chevonne Thomas, Tonya Thomas, Aileen Wuornos, Livia Soprano, my mother-in-law, Myra Hindley,
Current or former? :-\
Both
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I have heard people say that a holocaust like that wouldn't happen in our time? Reason - women! A lot more women have political involvement, and equal rights. There was no female voice in 1939.
I got to admit it has got me thinking. Although often, women can be as brutal as men, it does strike a cord somewhere, the fact that they were absent.
There was a lot of testosterone flying round, do you reckon it could make any difference?
Wrong! You must have not heard of Agrippina the younger (Nero's mother), Queen Ranavalona of Madagascar, Elizabeth Bathory or Queen Mary I of England. That is off the top of my head. Women are no less capable of evil than men are.
Andrea Yates, Chevonne Thomas, Tonya Thomas, Aileen Wuornos, Livia Soprano, my mother-in-law, Myra Hindley,
Current or former? :-\
Both
Yikes. You have my sympathy. :(
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:zombiefuck: enough of the bitches.
I wanna hear about good, good, good people
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Ego sum bonus :angel:
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:zombiefuck: enough of the bitches.
I wanna hear about good, good, good people
Fuck that! You opened this can of worms. Bad bodie :poopy: :hahaha:
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:zombiefuck: enough of the bitches.
I wanna hear about good, good, good people
Fuck that! You opened this can of worms. Bad bodie :poopy: :hahaha:
ah yes but the title says 'the best and the worst of people' and so far you lot just ooze evil >:D
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:zombiefuck: enough of the bitches.
I wanna hear about good, good, good people
Fuck that! You opened this can of worms. Bad bodie :poopy: :hahaha:
ah yes but the title says 'the best and the worst of people' and so far you lot just ooze evil >:D
Au contraire, I radiate goodness and light, in the true spirit of Christmas! :angel:
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Yeah.. people are quite odd...
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The best: Having a laugh with someone over irrelevant bullshit.
The worst: Having an argument with someone over irrelevant bullshit.
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:zombiefuck: enough of the bitches.
I wanna hear about good, good, good people
Fuck that! You opened this can of worms. Bad bodie :poopy: :hahaha:
ah yes but the title says 'the best and the worst of people' and so far you lot just ooze evil >:D
Evil is more interesting and captures people's attention.
Most good people are boring.
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Evil is more interesting and captures people's attention.
Most good people are boring.
I'm glad the people here aren't boring. :lol1: