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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Scrapheap on January 04, 2012, 01:01:24 AM

Title: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Scrapheap on January 04, 2012, 01:01:24 AM
Well? Patriont act? Obama care? All of the above?
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Genesis on January 04, 2012, 01:03:14 AM
Patriot Act?
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Genesis on January 04, 2012, 01:04:13 AM
Yep... definitely the Patriot Act....
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: McGiver on January 04, 2012, 01:33:59 AM
The recent (3days old) NDAA.

If someone can be detained indefinitely without charges if suspected of terrorist I think our entire national political system has just signed their own arrest warrants.

Fuck the.  Vote anti incumbent.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: El on January 05, 2012, 06:00:25 AM
The recent (3days old) NDAA.

If someone can be detained indefinitely without charges if suspected of terrorist I think our entire national political system has just signed their own arrest warrants.

Fuck the.  Vote anti incumbent.
We could do that anyway.  This just makes it more famous, make people more aware of it, and makes it easier to do to people who are rich and/or famous.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Al Swearegen on January 05, 2012, 06:07:04 AM
I dunno. In fact I don't have the slightest clue about Amercian politics. Should i?
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Scrapheap on January 05, 2012, 05:17:27 PM
The recent (3days old) NDAA.

If someone can be detained indefinitely without charges if suspected of terrorist I think our entire national political system has just signed their own arrest warrants.

Fuck the.  Vote anti incumbent.

 :agreed:

It's the end of due process in our legal system. All the governmnet has to do is accuse you of terrorism and you're done.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: McGiver on January 05, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
God forbid you exercise your free speech or freedom to assemble.

A voice of dissent can fuck you.


We the corporations of the united states.....
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: McGiver on January 05, 2012, 05:20:50 PM
We the military complex infrastructure of the united states.....




Honestly, fuck us.  Tell people if they ask that I am Canadian.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Scrapheap on January 07, 2012, 12:25:08 AM
  Tell people if they ask that I am Canadian.

when you talk, does the top of your head bob up and down just like in South Park??
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: McGiver on January 07, 2012, 08:10:00 AM
Timmaye
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Calavera on January 07, 2012, 08:12:56 AM
I dunno. In fact I don't have the slightest clue about Amercian politics. Should i?

Nah, not worth it. Only reason why I had to know something about US politics these days is because one of my brothers is being a pest about Ron Paul and giving me shit for not taking him seriously.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Parts on January 07, 2012, 11:14:45 AM
Both the NDAA and the Patriot Act are a disgrace
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: McGiver on January 07, 2012, 11:30:28 AM
Just wait for SOPA.
After that is passed we won't be able to get the truth.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Al Swearegen on January 08, 2012, 10:10:53 AM
I dunno. In fact I don't have the slightest clue about Amercian politics. Should i?

Nah, not worth it. Only reason why I had to know something about US politics these days is because one of my brothers is being a pest about Ron Paul and giving me shit for not taking him seriously.

Ought he be taken seriously. I had a quick look on Youtue and to the complete laymen (me) he sounded pretty reasonable. Accent was making him hard to follow a little though
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: McGiver on January 08, 2012, 10:35:49 AM
As it stands today, Ron Paul will be getting my vote next year.  He will likely be running independent ot libertarian.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Parts on January 08, 2012, 11:37:28 AM
I am beginning to wonder if my brother in law had the right idea in moving to Canada but then again they have their own fucked up laws
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Scrapheap on January 08, 2012, 11:39:25 AM
Both the NDAA and the Patriot Act are a disgrace

 :agreed:

Obamacare is too because it's the first time that the government got so arrogant as to require that people buy something for merely existing.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Scrapheap on January 08, 2012, 11:40:37 AM
Just wait for SOPA.
After that is passed we won't be able to get the truth.

How so??
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Scrapheap on January 08, 2012, 11:42:55 AM
As it stands today, Ron Paul will be getting my vote next year.  He will likely be running independent ot libertarian.

I don't feel comfortable with Ron Paul as commander-in-chief.

He doesn't seem to have a firm grasp of foreign policy.

His isolationist attitudes are founded in naivete.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: earthboundmisfit on January 08, 2012, 03:22:04 PM


Doesn't matter who's in office. Politicians are marionettes.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Calavera on January 08, 2012, 03:43:50 PM
As it stands today, Ron Paul will be getting my vote next year.  He will likely be running independent ot libertarian.

I don't feel comfortable with Ron Paul as commander-in-chief.

He doesn't seem to have a firm grasp of foreign policy.

His isolationist attitudes are founded in naivete.

Agreed. Bloody naive. And isn't really as rational as he makes himself out to be.

He is a creationist after all.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: Dexter Morgan on January 08, 2012, 08:02:35 PM
"We the People"?  Sounds socialist.
Title: Re: Which US laws do you consider to be treason against "We the People?"
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on January 09, 2012, 12:12:16 AM
Just wait for SOPA.
After that is passed we won't be able to get the truth.

Kiss internet freedom goodbye along with google, youtube, facebook and basically anything indirectly/directly hosting "copyrighted material" if that passes.

Just wait for SOPA.
After that is passed we won't be able to get the truth.

How so??

Because it doubles as the ultimate censorship tool. Here's the thing, there's always a guaranteed chance that someone will post something copyright infringing. SOPA goes further than DMCA and makes it a criminal felony to host or even link to copyrighted material without permission of it's owners.

This would in a sense allow corporations/governments to shut down websites or even take legal action those who criticize them and the website hosting the content as well. Since critics tend to use logos, symbols, images, texts of their target, all they need to do is find one tiny thing that's not ironclad covered by fair use to take you down.

This would essentially shut down or ruin sites like Google, Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, anything that risks having copyrighted material posted (like a image from your favourite show) on it by an unauthorized party (as in you, the user). They would have to filter everything posted/queried on their sites to avoid themselves being financially isolated, held criminally liable or be blocked on a ISP level.

This can be used to even shut down or force heavy self-censorship on messageboards like here, WP, AFF, etc. So it's very, VERY bad news.

And one last thing, it will affect international traffic too, so if you let's say routing through the US to access something in Canada that's blacklisted in the U.S ISP infrastructure (as the domain registrar is in the US), the route will not resolve and you'll be blocked from accessing that site. So Americans shouldn't be the only ones worried about this.

The only methods of evasion would be knowing the direct IP address of the site, or somehow re-route data so it never enters the US at any point. If the site is within the U.S you're screwed.