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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Calavera on December 14, 2011, 07:19:05 PM
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http://www.narcissismcured.com/Are_We_Claiming_a_Cure.html (http://www.narcissismcured.com/Are_We_Claiming_a_Cure.html)
lol, sounds like either the wife herself is a narcissist and she's fucking with her husband's mind or her husband is fucking with her mind or both of them are fucking with each other's minds. But I don't believe for a second NPD can be cured. At least not by such our normal methods.
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Does make me wonder if the attention they are getting through that site feeds the narcissism, heh. I noticed the URL but then this: "Are We Claiming a Cure for Narcissism? - No this site simply shares what we have learned on our personal journey of recovery."
How did you find the site?
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Does make me wonder if the attention they are getting through that site feeds the narcissism, heh. I noticed the URL but then this: "Are We Claiming a Cure for Narcissism? - No this site simply shares what we have learned on our personal journey of recovery."
They contradict themselves so many times one questions whether the site is for real or not.
I saw a couple of their videos while doing some research on NPD. They seem a cute couple on video, but they are not spot on at all.
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I always get a massive urge to deflate some overly narcissistic prick's ego if they go off on one. Really satisfies me when they get all pissy. Chair and that Swedish prick who was convinced he was the reincarnation of Hitler came into mind.
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I know very little about Chair but the other one is Soleiyu?
On that site they specified that someone who has NPD appears to have two ways of showing themselves, i.e., they are two-faced.
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I know very little about Chair but the other one is Soleiyu?
On that site they specified that someone who has NPD appears to have two ways of showing themselves, i.e., they are two-faced.
That one I agree with.
Schleed's point is valid online but if you want a peace of mind and a good night's sleep, it's much wiser not to cross a narcissist who can interact with you in real life. You can do it if you want but be prepared to have, at best, your time wasted over very superficial things and, at worst, have your life destroyed.
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I have known a narcissist before; she was with my dad for years and completely messed up our family. She was why I didn't see my dad for a long time. I tried to tell my dad that it was because of her that it happened but he didn't seem to get it. :dunno:
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NPD is scary as shit. It's the closest the DSM has to sociopathy/psychopathy as a diagnosis (if you actually look at the criteria, ASPD is actually not as close to sociopathy as NPD is).
Pretty sure I've known plenty of narcissists in my day. The way kids in my generation were raised prolly created even more, IMO.
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The way kids in my generation were raised prolly created even more, IMO.
You think? All the self-esteem rhetoric, or something else?
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I know very little about Chair but the other one is Soleiyu?
On that site they specified that someone who has NPD appears to have two ways of showing themselves, i.e., they are two-faced.
That one I agree with.
Schleed's point is valid online but if you want a peace of mind and a good night's sleep, it's much wiser not to cross a narcissist who can interact with you in real life. You can do it if you want but be prepared to have, at best, your time wasted over very superficial things and, at worst, have your life destroyed.
I have managed with such people IRL and still managed fine. The problem is that I'm too arrogant and adamant to bow down to them, if they act like pricks then I will most likely point it out. Any attempts to "destroy" my life so far has been a headbutt. :zoinks:
In a work environment I can see why it can be a problem, but if they try to mess with me I will retaliate in terms of pranking, humiliating etc. You're looking at an ex school bully, after all. :thumbup:
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I know very little about Chair but the other one is Soleiyu?
On that site they specified that someone who has NPD appears to have two ways of showing themselves, i.e., they are two-faced.
That one I agree with.
Schleed's point is valid online but if you want a peace of mind and a good night's sleep, it's much wiser not to cross a narcissist who can interact with you in real life. You can do it if you want but be prepared to have, at best, your time wasted over very superficial things and, at worst, have your life destroyed.
:indeed:
I've known several narcissists and they are just best avoided. They are always probing your mental defences looking for weakness. It's like they're constantly at war with the entire world and they always have to "win".
Narcissists can't be cured, and there's no legal hunting season on them either. :tantrum:
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.... You're looking at an ex school bully, after all. :thumbup:
NPD's are usually the school bullies.
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.... You're looking at an ex school bully, after all. :thumbup:
NPD's are usually the school bullies.
There was one year back in primary school when I was a bully. I used to bully someone back then because he was from a very poor family. I was around 10 or so.
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I know very little about Chair but the other one is Soleiyu?
On that site they specified that someone who has NPD appears to have two ways of showing themselves, i.e., they are two-faced.
That one I agree with.
Schleed's point is valid online but if you want a peace of mind and a good night's sleep, it's much wiser not to cross a narcissist who can interact with you in real life. You can do it if you want but be prepared to have, at best, your time wasted over very superficial things and, at worst, have your life destroyed.
:indeed:
I've known several narcissists and they are just best avoided. They are always probing your mental defences looking for weakness. It's like they're constantly at war with the entire world and they always have to "win".
Narcissists can't be cured, and there's no legal hunting season on them either. :tantrum:
Agreed completely. My father keeps trying to put us family in some trap every now and then to get us to re-communicate with him. Thank God they finally listened to what I had to say about him and his NPD. It's a bit easier dealing with him now when the family eventually chooses to be educated instead of being ignorant.
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That page is just a money making scam. They will probably send you some self-help book for your money.
I doubt if much of it's valid. Apart from the fact that he looks like a smug bastard in the picture, I have no reason to even believe Steve is, or was, NPD.
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.... You're looking at an ex school bully, after all. :thumbup:
NPD's are usually the school bullies.
Mine was more of a case that I was bored and was stuck in a special school full of people who were literally... retarded. It quickly stopped when I got the snot kicked out of me in secondary school. :zoinks:
My father was a narcissist though, and I found that him along with other people who have NPD to be very insecure and full of "weaknesses".
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I noticed that there is a lot of writing on that site but they tell you very little. I have seen advertisements like that before. Also they want you to give them your email address in order to "find out 3 things". No way. Would probably never see the end of spam from them.
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I actually think it's more than just a matter of spam and advertising. I see some spousal manipulation going on in there, whether from the husband or the wife or even mutual, I don't know. But that's what I suspect.
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I haven't watched the YouTubes (can't at the moment), can you tell anything from those?
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This is one video for those who wish to see an example:
Can narcissism / a narcissist be cured? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CyhNXOdBUQ#ws)
I'll let others give their thoughts. All I'll say is they are both being fake.
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This is one video for those who wish to see an example:
Can narcissism / a narcissist be cured? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CyhNXOdBUQ#ws)
I'll let others give their thoughts. All I'll say is they are both being fake.
These people are deluded. They point to the fact that narcissim in kids can be corrected (true) but they think the same process can work in adults and it doesn't. :facepalm2:
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This is one video for those who wish to see an example:
Can narcissism / a narcissist be cured? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CyhNXOdBUQ#ws)
I'll let others give their thoughts. All I'll say is they are both being fake.
These people are deluded. They point to the fact that narcissim in kids can be corrected (true) but they think the same process can work in adults and it doesn't. :facepalm2:
The wife claims that by changing her response to her husband's narcissism and no longer enabling his behavior by shielding him from the consequences of his actions with the police, for example, that ultimately caused him to change his behavior toward her. She pointed out that when a woman leaves an abusive spouse, that she is many times more likely to be killed or injured in the first few months after leaving.
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I suspect it depends on the intelligence of the narcissist, whether they could be outmaneuvered as an adult.
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I suspect it depends on the intelligence of the narcissist, whether they could be outmaneuvered as an adult.
Now I'm curious ... are narcissists clever by definition, or are some of them dumb? :orly:
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:LOL: You weren't around to meet Cal, were you? He was a fairly dumb one.
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:LOL: You weren't around to meet Cal, were you? He was a fairly dumb one.
Cal was before my time. Might he have been playing dumb to gain power? :orly:
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If he was, it didn't work, and he never had the balls to come back and face up to his failure.
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I just wonder because I often post ditzier and dumber than I am, for comic effect! :2thumbsup:
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There are very stupid narcissists (like my father) and there are very intelligent ones. Both types are as dangerous as each other, though.
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There are very stupid narcissists (like my father) and there are very intelligent ones. Both types are as dangerous as each other, though.
I would think you might be able to outmaneuver the stupid ones, am I wrong? :orly:
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Stupid in the sense that they have low IQ and can't have a good insightful discussion about anything deep.
Doesn't mean they can't act charming and be manipulative. That even the stupid ones are better than me at.
Also, it's not just one person vs. a narcissist. It's one person vs. a narcissist and the people he's manipulated.
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Stupid in the sense that they have low IQ and can't have a good insightful discussion about anything deep.
Doesn't mean they can't act charming and be manipulative. That even the stupid ones are better than me at.
Also, it's not just one person vs. a narcissist. It's one person vs. a narcissist and the people he's manipulated.
Ah, right, I'd forgotten. They enlist followers. I hope I never have to deal with one. :thumbdn:
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It's also harder when it's a family member or someone you're in a relationship with, because they can get you on emotional entanglement.
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It's also harder when it's a family member or someone you're in a relationship with, because they can get you on emotional entanglement.
That sucks. I hope I'd be able to see through the manipulation, but I'm a bit naive. :-\
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Take Bernie Madoff, writing to his daughter from jail (http://abcnews.go.com/US/mafia-don-bernie-madoffs-boastful-letter-angry-daughter/story?id=14777562#.Tu5jH_LX2iA) to tell her what a wonderful time he was having there. She made the mistake of thinking he cared about family connections, so she tried to hurt him by writing to him about all the good times he was missing with his grandchildren. He wrote back about how he was treated like a mafia don and a celebrity, to A) piss her off to no end (her husband had committed suicide over his actions), B) flaunt that the justice system couldn't bring him down, and C) play the media game by making his daughter look vicious and spiteful.
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Take Bernie Madoff, writing to his daughter from jail (http://abcnews.go.com/US/mafia-don-bernie-madoffs-boastful-letter-angry-daughter/story?id=14777562#.Tu5jH_LX2iA) to tell her what a wonderful time he was having there. She made the mistake of thinking he cared about family connections, so she tried to hurt him by writing to him about all the good times he was missing with his grandchildren. He wrote back about how he was treated like a mafia don and a celebrity, to A) piss her off to no end (her husband had committed suicide over his actions), B) flaunt that the justice system couldn't bring him down, and C) play the media game by making his daughter look vicious and spiteful.
Even sicker, that's his daughter-in-law, the suicide was Madoff's own son.
He sounds pretty cold. How does such a person get punished then? >:(
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If there's one thing that gives me a tiny bit of relief, it's that narcissists are punished on a regular basis ... by themselves. They hate the kind of people they are so badly, but they can't help being who they are.
Imagine someone who wants to be proud of himself so badly and wants to think he really is number one in the whole universe, yet still despises himself and sees himself as a shit person, that's major suffering and torture for the narcissist.
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Even sicker, that's his daughter-in-law, the suicide was Madoff's own son.
He sounds pretty cold. How does such a person get punished then? >:(
He has been punished. He's in jail for life.
That's what I mean by emotional entanglements. The only thing worse would have been capital punishment, so he can get amusement out of inciting his daughter (-in-law; my mistake) and the rest of the public to potentially murderous rage. However to the other inmates, who feasibly could have the opportunity to kill him, he plays his charms.
Whether he charms people or not and whether he brags or not, conditions in jail are shitty and restricted. The punishment is practical rather than emotional. The natural response is to want him to feel guilt, but that will never happen (despite what he says at his sentencing for the sake of PR (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/business/30madoff.html?pagewanted=all) - notice how opposite a message that article projects than what he said to his daughter-in-law). You have to cut off the ability of people like that to affect you emotionally, or literally any contact you have with them will leave you worse off.
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There are very stupid narcissists (like my father) and there are very intelligent ones. Both types are as dangerous as each other, though.
I don't know about that. The smarter ones tend to think that they can get away with more, or they are more clever in devising things to get away with. Think about it, just imagine Ted Kaczynski as a narcissist. :yikes:
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This is one video for those who wish to see an example:
Can narcissism / a narcissist be cured? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CyhNXOdBUQ#ws)
I'll let others give their thoughts. All I'll say is they are both being fake.
These people are deluded. They point to the fact that narcissim in kids can be corrected (true) but they think the same process can work in adults and it doesn't. :facepalm2:
The wife claims that by changing her response to her husband's narcissism and no longer enabling his behavior by shielding him from the consequences of his actions with the police, for example, that ultimately caused him to change his behavior toward her.
... and I really don't buy that claim
She pointed out that when a woman leaves an abusive spouse, that she is many times more likely to be killed or injured in the first few months after leaving.
That's neither here nor there.
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If there's one thing that gives me a tiny bit of relief, it's that narcissists are punished on a regular basis ... by themselves. They hate the kind of people they are so badly, but they can't help being who they are.
Imagine someone who wants to be proud of himself so badly and wants to think he really is number one in the whole universe, yet still despises himself and sees himself as a shit person, that's major suffering and torture for the narcissist.
I hope this is true.
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If there's one thing that gives me a tiny bit of relief, it's that narcissists are punished on a regular basis ... by themselves. They hate the kind of people they are so badly, but they can't help being who they are.
Imagine someone who wants to be proud of himself so badly and wants to think he really is number one in the whole universe, yet still despises himself and sees himself as a shit person, that's major suffering and torture for the narcissist.
Well holy shit, I must be a narcissist then. :o
Difference is, I don't outwardly project that kind of thinking all too much, I recognize my own failures, not that I like them though.
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Which, I'm sure, makes you not a narcissist in the clinical sense.
Actually, I should really back that up with some sort of evidence instead of just spouting it out without basis.
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I just looked it up... narcissism is actually being taken out of the DSM-V. Instead of ten discrete personality disorders, they're rearranging them into five traits/axes which can be present to different degrees.
Antisocial/Psychopathic Type
Avoidant Type
Borderline Type
Obsessive-Compulsive Type
Schizotypal Type
Psychology Today (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-shrink-tank/201002/dsm-v-offers-new-criteria-personality-disorders)
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Yeah, schizoid is being taken out too. Dang, as I like that one.
I wonder, are they just going to view narcissism as a variant of a personality type? Not something that is actually wrong?
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Ah, well. As long as the disorder itself isn't denied no matter the label.
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Yeah, schizoid is being taken out too. Dang, as I like that one.
I wonder, are they just going to view narcissism as a variant of a personality type? Not something that is actually wrong?
They're taking schizoid out? I like that one too, I identify with a lot of it. :thumbdn:
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Yeah, schizoid is being taken out too. Dang, as I like that one.
I wonder, are they just going to view narcissism as a variant of a personality type? Not something that is actually wrong?
They're taking schizoid out? I like that one too, I identify with a lot of it. :thumbdn:
Same. Got dxed with it before HFA.
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It seems to me schizoids are like Aspies in almost every aspect except when it comes to the fact schizoids can be socially natural.
Am I right here?
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Yeah, schizoid is being taken out too. Dang, as I like that one.
I wonder, are they just going to view narcissism as a variant of a personality type? Not something that is actually wrong?
They're taking schizoid out? I like that one too, I identify with a lot of it. :thumbdn:
Same. Got dxed with it before HFA.
The psychologist who dx'd me also considered avoidant and schizoid personality
disorders for me, and in truth I identify with elements of both! :chin:
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It seems to me schizoids are like Aspies in almost every aspect except when it comes to the fact schizoids can be socially natural.
Am I right here?
Also, schizoids usually prefer their own company to that of others. They may not feel the need to have friends at all. Whereas I think Aspies do want friends? Schizoids usually do not seek a diagnosis either, so it is an underdiagnosed condition.
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It seems to me schizoids are like Aspies in almost every aspect except when it comes to the fact schizoids can be socially natural.
Am I right here?
Also, schizoids usually prefer their own company to that of others. They may not feel the need to have friends at all. Whereas I think Aspies do want friends? Schizoids usually do not seek a diagnosis either, so it is an underdiagnosed condition.
That certainly describes the way I was in my early years of school. I loved to be alone
at recess and just walk around thinking my thoughts, or swing on a swing if I could
get one! I used to lie and tell my mother I had played with other kids. :nerdy:
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Schizoid was my first diagnosis too.
It seems like there lumping it under Schizotypal Type when you read the criteria, same just a little broader it seems.
Same flavors, different names? :LOL:
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Schizoid was my first diagnosis too.
It seems like there lumping it under Schizotypal Type when you read the criteria, same just a little broader it seems.
Same flavors, different names? :LOL:
It's all so complicated, I'll have so much to learn! :GA:
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From what I have read, schizotypals often have beliefs in things like superstitions and the supernatural. They may have delusions about these. It is like one step away from having schizophrenia, imo.
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From what I have read, schizotypals often have beliefs in things like superstitions and the supernatural. They may have delusions about these. It is like one step away from having schizophrenia, imo.
What's the difference then between schizotypal and schizophrenia?
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Schizotypal is a personality disorder whereas Schizophrenia is a mental illness that includes hallucinations and delusions that can be treated with medication so the person can (hopefully) lead a normal life. They are both on the "schizophrenia spectrum" though.
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Now that they got rid of NPD as a diagnosis, what are we going to accuse Alex Plank of having?? :dunno: :GA:
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Now that they got rid of NPD as a diagnosis, what are we going to accuse Alex Plank of having?? :dunno: :GA:
This question has the potential to spawn an entire thread. Run with it! :thumbup:
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Now that they got rid of NPD as a diagnosis, what are we going to accuse Alex Plank of having?? :dunno: :GA:
Fucktardism?
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Now that they got rid of NPD as a diagnosis, what are we going to accuse Alex Plank of having?? :dunno: :GA:
Fucktardism?
I was thinking more like Punkassedbitchism. Plank isn't a fucktard, he's a weasel, which takes a certain degree of intelligence.
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You're giving too much credit.
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You're giving too much credit.
"certain" can mean limited. :police:
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I'm with Scrap. He's a weasel.
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I'm with Scrap. He's a weasel.
No, Scrap's the weasel. Be with me, you Valkyrie.
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:viking:
You really think the Plank is too dumb to be guileful?
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I thought you all knew that plank doesnt exist and its just your parents/an ad from autism speaks :eyebrows:.
On a more serious note I have no idea what he actually has but with my limited amount of interactions with him atm it doesnt seem like as to me, but hey I could be wrong.
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I thought you all knew that plank doesnt exist and its just your parents/an ad from autism speaks :eyebrows:.
On a more serious note I have no idea what he actually has but with my limited amount of interactions with him atm it doesnt seem like as to me, but hey I could be wrong.
It's something more sinister, I tell ya'.
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That was almost the end of the thread according to Dunc's Law. :zoinks:
For those who are interested:
Personality Disorders are an enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior that deviates markedly from the expectation of the individual's culture, is pervasive and inflexible, has an onset in adolescence or early adulthood, is stable over time, and leads to distress or impairment.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
from Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th edition, 1994
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy. The disorder begins by early adulthood and is indicated by at least five of the following:
1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements).
2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believes he is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
4. Requires excessive admiration.
6. Selfishly takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends.
7. Lacks empathy.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes
Schizoid Personality Disorder
A pervasive pattern of detachment from social relationships and a restricted range of expression of emotions in interpersonal settings, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:
1. Neither desires nor enjoys close relationships, including being part of a family.
2. Almost always chooses solitary activities.
3. Has little, if any, interest in having sexual experiences with another person.
4. Takes pleasure in few, if any, activities.
5. Lacks close friends or confidants other than first-degree relatives.
6. Appears indifferent to the praise or criticism of others.
7. Shows emotional coldness, detachment, or flattened affectivity.
Schizotypal Personality Disorder
A pervasive pattern of social and interpersonal deficits marked by acute discomfort with, and reduced capacity for, close relationships as well as by cognitive or perceptual distortions and eccentricities of behavior, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1. Ideas of reference (excluding delusions of reference).
2. Odd beliefs or magical thinking that influences behavior and is inconsistent with subcultural norms (e.g., superstitiousness, belief in clairvoyance, telepathy, or “sixth sense”; in children and adolescents, bizarre fantasies or preoccupations).
3. Unusual perceptual experiences, including bodily illusions.
4. Odd thinking and speech (e.g., vague, circumstantial, metaphorical, overelaborate, or stereotyped).
5. Suspiciousness or paranoid ideation.
6. Inappropriate or constricted affect.
7. Behavior or appearance that is odd, eccentric, or peculiar.
8. Lack of close friends or confidants other than first-degree relatives.
9. Excessive social anxiety that does not diminish with familiarity and tends to be associated with paranoid fears rather than negative judgments about self.
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:LOL: You weren't around to meet Cal, were you? He was a fairly dumb one.
He lost his potential godhood (according to him) because he was too stupid to get an infected tooth treated before it got to the point of requiring a blood transfusion. :laugh: Thinking of that has me wondering if Yahweh's original author (Moses?) projected his own ego onto Yahweh in creating a God that made a planet full of people just to have them all constantly kiss his ass and proclaim His greatness.
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He should have been a Jehovah's Witness.
I think people were kissing the asses of gods long before Moses came along, but he might have been the first documented to say there was only one true god. Incidentally, Jesus was a hell of a Borderline. :P
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Yes but it has no bearing on whether the original author of Yahweh was projecting. :P
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Tis true. Maybe he just did a better job of it than the others who came before him.
So does this mean all of humanity has Stockholm Syndrome for being alive?
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Yeah we are pretty much fucked if we don't constantly reassure the almighty how grateful we are for the largesse.
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He should have been a Jehovah's Witness.
I think people were kissing the asses of gods long before Moses came along, but he might have been the first documented to say there was only one true god. Incidentally, Jesus was a hell of a Borderline. :P
Actually, I think he said once that he was one. :laugh:
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Incidentally, Jesus was a hell of a Borderline. :P
Jesus was a fucked up character, that's for sure.
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He should have been a Jehovah's Witness.
I think people were kissing the asses of gods long before Moses came along, but he might have been the first documented to say there was only one true god. Incidentally, Jesus was a hell of a Borderline. :P
Evidently Zoroaster thought of one god first. From the BBC, "Zoroaster believed in one creator God, teaching that only one God was worthy of worship. Furthermore, some of the deities of the old religion, the Daevas (Devas in Sanskrit), appeared to delight in war and strife. Zoroaster said that these were evil spirits and were workers of Angra Mainyu, God's adversary." Interestingly enough I have met a Zoroastrian.
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Yeah we are pretty much fucked if we don't constantly reassure the almighty how grateful we are for the largesse.
Young man, young lady (Pyraxis), you will watch your mouths while in church! :christ:
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Fuck you and your church. :autism:
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Young man, young lady (Pyraxis), you will watch your mouths while in church! :christ:
Wait, wait, Intensity is a church??
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Young man, young lady (Pyraxis), you will watch your mouths while in church! :christ:
Wait, wait, Intensity is a church??
As of now, it is the property of the Vatican, and shall remain so! :pope:
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Young man, young lady (Pyraxis), you will watch your mouths while in church! :christ:
Wait, wait, Intensity is a church??
As of now, it is the property of the Vatican, and shall remain so! :pope:
:christ: :litigious:
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Young man, young lady (Pyraxis), you will watch your mouths while in church! :christ:
Wait, wait, Intensity is a church??
As of now, it is the property of the Vatican, and shall remain so! :pope:
:christ: :litigious:
Note that the cross protects the priest from your feeble hail of bullets! :M
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I think people were kissing the asses of gods long before Moses came along, but he might have been the first documented to say there was only one true god.
Zoroaster might've beaten him to the punch.
Incidentally, Jesus was a hell of a Borderline. :P
How so??
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So does this mean all of humanity has Stockholm Syndrome for being alive?
about 3/4 of people, yes. :-\
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Incidentally, Jesus was a hell of a Borderline. :P
How so??
Jesus inspires people to get into a borderline dynamic with him. A few of the borderline characteristics: black and white thinking (love me or burn in hell!), suicidal behavior (what's more suicidal than willing crucifixion?), low self-worth (the meek shall inherit the earth), fear of abandonment (hell is eternal separation from god) and impulsive behavior (give up everything and follow me!).
He wouldn't even let one dude say goodbye to his family or another dude to bury his dead father:
As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.” Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.” He said to another man, “Follow me.” But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.” Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”
He preaches that people should behave like borderlines in order to be loved by God.
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Individuals with Borderline Personality Disorder may have a pattern of undermining themselves at the moment a goal is about to be realized (e.g., dropping out of school just before graduation; regressing severely after a discussion of how well therapy is going; destroying a good relationship just when it is clear that the relationship could last).
He asked people to act against their deepest instincts:
Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it."
There may be an identity disturbance characterized by markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self (Criterion 3). There are sudden and dramatic shifts in self-image, characterized by shifting goals, values, and vocational aspirations. There may be sudden changes in opinions and plans about career, sexual identity, values, and types of friends. (...) Although they usually have a self-image that is based on being bad or evil, individuals with this disorder may at times have feelings that they do not exist at all.
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Incidentally, Jesus was a hell of a Borderline. :P
How so??
Jesus inspires people to get into a borderline dynamic with him. A few of the borderline characteristics: black and white thinking (love me or burn in hell!), suicidal behavior (what's more suicidal than willing crucifixion?), low self-worth (the meek shall inherit the earth), fear of abandonment (hell is eternal separation from god) and impulsive behavior (give up everything and follow me!).
He wouldn't even let one dude say goodbye to his family or another dude to bury his dead father:
As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.” Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.” He said to another man, “Follow me.” But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.” Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”
He preaches that people should behave like borderlines in order to be loved by God.
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Individuals with Borderline Personality Disorder may have a pattern of undermining themselves at the moment a goal is about to be realized (e.g., dropping out of school just before graduation; regressing severely after a discussion of how well therapy is going; destroying a good relationship just when it is clear that the relationship could last).
He asked people to act against their deepest instincts:
Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it."
There may be an identity disturbance characterized by markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self (Criterion 3). There are sudden and dramatic shifts in self-image, characterized by shifting goals, values, and vocational aspirations. There may be sudden changes in opinions and plans about career, sexual identity, values, and types of friends. (...) Although they usually have a self-image that is based on being bad or evil, individuals with this disorder may at times have feelings that they do not exist at all.
Wow!! I never put 2 and 2 together like that, but you're right!
My mom was a fundie and she was definitely a Borderline herself.
I thought she was just a basket case who was projecting, but I guess there was biblical basis for her fucktardedness.
Oh, and I'd plus you for that post, but you're at a perfect 555. 8)
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:)
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Not any more. :plus:
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A lot of fundies seem to suffer from various narcissistic personality disorders. I know this first-hand.
You know the soccer moms, they're usually psycho bitches suffering from major personality disorders who want their kids to only read the books they want their kids to read, to watch the movies they want their kids to watch, and force them to follow whatever they believe at all costs.
And I'm excluding the adult-oriented books and movies of course. These kids aren't allowed to play Pokemon or watch Narnia or Harry Potter for God's sake.
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A lot of fundies seem to suffer from various narcissistic personality disorders. I know this first-hand.
You know the soccer moms, they're usually psycho bitches suffering from major personality disorders who want their kids to only read the books they want their kids to read, to watch the movies they want their kids to watch, and force them to follow whatever they believe at all costs.
And I'm excluding the adult-oriented books and movies of course. These kids aren't allowed to play Pokemon or watch Narnia or Harry Potter for God's sake.
That's ironic because Narnia is so heavily laced with christian theology.
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:indeed:
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Yes, even the making of Narnia is like In the Beginning. Even I got that when I read it.
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A lot of fundies seem to suffer from various narcissistic personality disorders. I know this first-hand.
You know the soccer moms, they're usually psycho bitches suffering from major personality disorders who want their kids to only read the books they want their kids to read, to watch the movies they want their kids to watch, and force them to follow whatever they believe at all costs.
And I'm excluding the adult-oriented books and movies of course. These kids aren't allowed to play Pokemon or watch Narnia or Harry Potter for God's sake.
That's ironic because Narnia is so heavily laced with christian theology.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/narnia.htm (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/narnia.htm)
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A lot of fundies seem to suffer from various narcissistic personality disorders. I know this first-hand.
You know the soccer moms, they're usually psycho bitches suffering from major personality disorders who want their kids to only read the books they want their kids to read, to watch the movies they want their kids to watch, and force them to follow whatever they believe at all costs.
And I'm excluding the adult-oriented books and movies of course. These kids aren't allowed to play Pokemon or watch Narnia or Harry Potter for God's sake.
That's ironic because Narnia is so heavily laced with christian theology.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/narnia.htm (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/narnia.htm)
Apparently, they don't like Miley Cyrus or Harry Potter either:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/hannah_montana.htm (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/hannah_montana.htm)
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/harry_potter_is_of_the_devil.htm (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/harry_potter_is_of_the_devil.htm)
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A lot of fundies seem to suffer from various narcissistic personality disorders. I know this first-hand.
You know the soccer moms, they're usually psycho bitches suffering from major personality disorders who want their kids to only read the books they want their kids to read, to watch the movies they want their kids to watch, and force them to follow whatever they believe at all costs.
And I'm excluding the adult-oriented books and movies of course. These kids aren't allowed to play Pokemon or watch Narnia or Harry Potter for God's sake.
That's ironic because Narnia is so heavily laced with christian theology.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/narnia.htm (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/narnia.htm)
ZOMG!!! Satan is everywhaaaaarrr!!!! :GA: :GA: :GA: :GA: :GA:
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If it is a chat site....
My question is, " how does anybody ever get a word edgewise?"