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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: P7PSP on April 18, 2011, 03:41:32 AM
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I found this article on Yahoo about dogs being saved from the cooking pot in China. Apparently cats are popular culinary items in the South.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110418/ts_afp/chinaanimaldogs_20110418052119 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110418/ts_afp/chinaanimaldogs_20110418052119)
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The consumption of dog and cat meat, both of which are believed to promote bodily warmth and are thus popular in winter, remains widespread in China despite a surge in popularity as pets.
:zombiefuck: :zombiefuck:
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I don't understand how canyone can eat cats - surely they are here to be worshipped and loved?
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Someone should tell them they're doing it wrong.
To "promote bodily warmth" in the winter, you place the dog/cat ON you, not IN you. :facepalm2:
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Someone should tell them they're doing it wrong.
To "promote bodily warmth" in the winter, you place the dog/cat ON you, not IN you. :facepalm2:
Makes more sense to me.
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I already knew this, but still.... :rage:
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I already knew this, but still.... :rage:
Me too. It got me thinking of that douchebag in Canada that killed 100 dogs in two days. :thumbdn:
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That whole "promoting bodily warmth in the winter" thing is stupid anyway. It was my mother's reason for making me choke down
oatmeal :sick: so many winter mornings. Think about it, no matter how hot your breakfast is, it won't STAY hot in your stomach for
hours afterward and warm your entire body like a furnace. Don't they have COATS in China? :duh:
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I already knew this, but still.... :rage:
Me too. It got me thinking of that douchebag in Canada that killed 100 dogs in two days. :thumbdn:
I'd um, managed to forget about that. I'm ragin now.
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That whole "promoting bodily warmth in the winter" thing is stupid anyway. It was my mother's reason for making me choke down
oatmeal :sick: so many winter mornings. Think about it, no matter how hot your breakfast is, it won't STAY hot in your stomach for
hours afterward and warm your entire body like a furnace. Don't they have COATS in China? :duh:
I didn't realize that promoting bodily warmth was such a widespread excuse for bad conduct.
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Someone should tell them they're doing it wrong.
To "promote bodily warmth" in the winter, you place the dog/cat ON you, not IN you. :facepalm2:
yes and also the animal needs to be alive too :zoinks:
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It just goes to show the huge differences between nationalities
It gets me, how they call us 'uncivilized', and they call us 'barbarian's'
Do they not have pet's in China? i wonder what ??
The whole thing is just repulsive to me, eating cat's and dog's, :flo: :kitten:
they are the uncivilized ones, methinks.
how come there are no doggy smilies??
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It just goes to show the huge differences between nationalities
It gets me, how they call us 'uncivilized', and they call us 'barbarian's'
Do they not have pet's in China? i wonder what ??
The whole thing is just repulsive to me, eating cat's and dog's, :flo: :kitten:
they are the uncivilized ones, methinks.
how come there are no doggy smilies??
:plus: for asking what's been on my mind too! We need some dog smilies!
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Is this where the expression doggy bag came from?
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Do they really have such a shortage of food that they must resort to eating intelligent animals?
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I already knew this, but still.... :rage:
Me too. It got me thinking of that douchebag in Canada that killed 100 dogs in two days. :thumbdn:
I'd um, managed to forget about that. I'm ragin now.
Uh oh. :hide:
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China in general just make me sick. And to think they may become more powerful than the USA one day. :thumbdn:
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Yeah. China is diarrea. :thumbdn:
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Let me preface this by saying that I love dogs. I have 4 dogs and they are great companions. I have dedicated more than a dozen years of my life to helping dogs and cats by working as a veterinary nurse and hospital administrator.
That being said, dog smells absolutely delicious when it is cooking. I have never eaten any, but the smell can make your mouth water like good barbecue. I know this from boiling down dog skulls for anatomical demonstrations and the heavy use of electrocautery in certain procedures. :dog:
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Have never eaten one but have eaten some strange things and don't mind the idea of cats and dogs. Cow's leg, dog's leg, there's no difference really. Either a person eats animals or they don't.
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Have never eaten one but have eaten some strange things and don't mind the idea of cats and dogs. Cow's leg, dog's leg, there's no difference really. Either a person eats animals or they don't.
I wouldn't agree with that exactly. Domesticated animals have individual purpose, which is what we bred them for. Each species has a purpose and a cow's purpose is to be eaten and a dog's purpose is to be a companion. Also, carnivores taste very different from herbivores.
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cat's are true carnivore's
but dog's aren't, not totally
so would cat and dog taste very differently?
UUUUUgggghhhh i can't believe i am asking that Q
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I wouldn't agree with that exactly. Domesticated animals have individual purpose, which is what we bred them for. Each species has a purpose and a cow's purpose is to be eaten and a dog's purpose is to be a companion. Also, carnivores taste very different from herbivores.
I won't claim to know the purpose of animals, but yes your points about cows and dogs do apply to what's acceptable in western society, though not all society. The concept of eating flesh is very black and white.
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Have never eaten one but have eaten some strange things and don't mind the idea of cats and dogs. Cow's leg, dog's leg, there's no difference really. Either a person eats animals or they don't.
I wouldn't agree with that exactly. Domesticated animals have individual purpose, which is what we bred them for. Each species has a purpose and a cow's purpose is to be eaten and a dog's purpose is to be a companion. Also, carnivores taste very different from herbivores.
That's speciesism. Who are we to determine what the purpose of other animals is?
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Have never eaten one but have eaten some strange things and don't mind the idea of cats and dogs. Cow's leg, dog's leg, there's no difference really. Either a person eats animals or they don't.
I wouldn't agree with that exactly. Domesticated animals have individual purpose, which is what we bred them for. Each species has a purpose and a cow's purpose is to be eaten and a dog's purpose is to be a companion. Also, carnivores taste very different from herbivores.
That's speciesism. Who are we to determine what the purpose of other animals is?
You will notice I said "domesticated animals". This means animals that are not found in the wild in their current form and have been bred (genetically modified) into their current form. This modification was done by man to serve man's purpose.
You can also look at it the other way around and say that the species have adapted to new environments through natural selection and in doing so have become extremely successful. The selection being obedience and friendliness (dogs), docility and flavor (cows), and hunting prowess (cats, though this analogy falls apart very quickly as cats are not really domesticated). In doing so they have become three of the most successful species on the planet as none of the three would exist at even 1% of their current numbers in the absence of human influence.
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This modification was done by man to serve man's purpose.
The Chinese have been eating dogs for thousands of years.
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Have never eaten one but have eaten some strange things and don't mind the idea of cats and dogs. Cow's leg, dog's leg, there's no difference really. Either a person eats animals or they don't.
I wouldn't agree with that exactly. Domesticated animals have individual purpose, which is what we bred them for. Each species has a purpose and a cow's purpose is to be eaten and a dog's purpose is to be a companion. Also, carnivores taste very different from herbivores.
That's speciesism. Who are we to determine what the purpose of other animals is?
You will notice I said "domesticated animals". This means animals that are not found in the wild in their current form and have been bred (genetically modified) into their current form. This modification was done by man to serve man's purpose.
You can also look at it the other way around and say that the species have adapted to new environments through natural selection and in doing so have become extremely successful. The selection being obedience and friendliness (dogs), docility and flavor (cows), and hunting prowess (cats, though this analogy falls apart very quickly as cats are not really domesticated). In doing so they have become three of the most successful species on the planet as none of the three would exist at even 1% of their current numbers in the absence of human influence.
That is untrue. Cows are very versatile but it's our influence that makes them more and more dependant on humans. We are the only mammals who consume milk past the infant stage. Never mind that it's not even our own milk that we're consuming. We are the reason why cows are used as milk machines.
Your post suggested that the only purpose of animals is to serve human needs. Humans are not superior to animals. We just happen to have a few biological advantages.
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This modification was done by man to serve man's purpose.
The Chinese have been eating dogs for thousands of years.
And dogs have been domesticated for 15,000 years. You are correct that the Chinese did breed dogs for food, but looking at humanity as a whole they are an outlier (and a pretty gross one in my opinion).
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Dog_Meat.jpg/800px-Dog_Meat.jpg)
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No more gross than a quartered chicken, or a side of pork ribs.
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No more gross than a quartered chicken, or a side of pork ribs.
That is subjective of course. I find it really gross myself. I find the idea of eating any carnivore to be really gross.
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No more gross than a quartered chicken, or a side of pork ribs.
That is subjective of course. I find it really gross myself. I find the idea of eating any carnivore to be really gross.
Jack has a good point with respect to cultural bias influencing what we consider fit to eat. OTOH unless I get stuck in a Jap POW camp a la King Rat I won't eat dog.
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That is subjective of course.
Maybe, but have to say no. Raw meat is raw meat, looks like raw meat, dead flesh, whatever. It is what it is.
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That is subjective of course.
Maybe, but have to say no. Raw meat is raw meat, looks like raw meat, dead flesh, whatever. It is what it is.
I have eaten a lot of cow and chicken, but only ever operated on a cat and a dog. This might be why I have a different reaction to the two. I expect to see a cow in a wrapped package, it is the defining image in my mind. I expect a dog to wag its tail and come over for a pet as that is the defining image in my mind. Mixing that image with food just makes me ill.
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Just because something is done in china, doesn't make it acceptable to me in my culture.
Where i live, cat's and dog's are considered highly intelligent animals. They are more than just
pets - often part of the family.
True, if i had been bought up in china i probably would think different. :screwy:
Thankfully i haven't. Therefore the idea of eating cat or dog is never ever going to be 'ok' to me.
I have been surrounded by dogs my whole life and i am afraid eating one would be like
cannibalism to me - that's how much they are part of the family.
re: cows i can't see how cows would survive without farming. surely they would
become extinct? :dunno:
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Yes. That kind of makes my point.
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yes definately. other cultures do bizarre stuff, and i guess we do to them.
dog alla crema is still never gonna be on my menu.
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yes definately. other cultures do bizarre stuff, and i guess we do to them.
dog alla crema is still never gonna be on my menu.
Most eastern cultures find the idea of eating half rotten clotted milk disgusting, but I love me some cheese.
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yes definately. other cultures do bizarre stuff, and i guess we do to them.
dog alla crema is still never gonna be on my menu.
Most eastern cultures find the idea of eating half rotten clotted milk disgusting, but I love me some cheese.
hey yeah me too :cheese:
more cheese please!
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yes definately. other cultures do bizarre stuff, and i guess we do to them.
dog alla crema is still never gonna be on my menu.
I had a pet bunny and wouldn't want to eat hasenpfeffer in anything other than a starvation situation either.
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In a starvation situation I can't say.
I will say, If I was stranded on a mountaintop with 1 overly obnoxious human and 1 dog, facing starvation and no hope for rescue anytime soon...the dog definitely wouldn't be the first to go. ;)
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just a few months ago a few dogs were found skinned alive in this little neighborhood near where I live. It was a big deal. Police thought there might be satanists ( there have been a lot of cases of satanists doing such things around here)
funny thing is, i went to google it - no results ???
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In a starvation situation I can't say.
I will say, If I was stranded on a mountaintop with 1 overly obnoxious human and 1 dog, facing starvation and no hope for rescue anytime soon...the dog definitely wouldn't be the first to go. ;)
Alive (both the film and the book) really impressed me, and I hope that in a starvation situation, if I were the first to die,
my fellow travelers would eat me! My fatty flesh would sustain them in fine health till they were rescued! :viking:
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No more gross than a quartered chicken, or a side of pork ribs.
What makes you say so? In my view, using an animal with a higher "sentience" is taboo. A chicken doesn't really think much of anything except eating and shitting. Dogs hypothesize, plan, and dream.
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Pigs are considered to be very intelligent animals.
To me, the line is if an animal is a pet or not I think. You don't eat pets, you took them in your family circle to be part of that. Be it a chicken, a cat, a rabbit or a pig. And you don't feed on your family circle.
And cultures being higher, because of what they eat. I should go for the Indian culture then I guess, with all the holy cows.
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Don't get me wrong, i'm a predator. I just think the more intelligent animals should be left alone. :zoinks:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8UE4P8kB-c
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Dogs have 'personality' :puppy:
cat's do too :kitten:
They can show amazing loyalty, display happiness, apathy, fear, fatiqgue, anxiety, seperation anxiety, excitement, even aggression.
They can be protective, or playful, and often display a willingness to please which makes them highly trainable.
Who knows what a dog dreams of? but they do.
They also have been known to 'sulk' on occasion. :puppy:
I could not eat something that displays so many 'human' characteristics.
Apart from the pig, i don't think farm animals have these traits. Pig's are highly intelligent. They fall somewhere
between a dog and a monkey. If we had known just how intelligent pigs were a few hundred years ago i believe
we would not be farming and eating them now.
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A lot of farm animals are only this way because we bred them to be so. If they hadn't been domesticated, who knows how they would have turned out?
And if we're going by intelligence alone, does that mean we should start eating people with low IQ too?
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Good point. RICHARD! CMERE!
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A lot of farm animals are only this way because we bred them to be so. If they hadn't been domesticated, who knows how they would have turned out?
And if we're going by intelligence alone, does that mean we should start eating people with low IQ too?
Not a good idea. I taste like soot and poo.
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we got a temporary postie at the moment.... he's a bit of alright!
i keep thinking now, of him on 'spit'
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No more gross than a quartered chicken, or a side of pork ribs.
What makes you say so? In my view, using an animal with a higher "sentience" is taboo. A chicken doesn't really think much of anything except eating and shitting. Dogs hypothesize, plan, and dream.
Because if someone finds eating the dead flesh of one animal acceptable and eating another unacceptable, it gives them no logical or moral leg to stand when debating the topic of eating animals. Just because someone finds one animal to be more important than another doesn't make it so. Anyway, my scoff at this thread is the high and mighty flesh eater attitude found, because PPK compared it to abuse and Bodaccea called the Chinese uncivilized. Everyone has things that they're turned off by the idea of eating, but it's not being presented that way. I don't like the idea of eating organs, but would never claim myself better than liver eaters. It's all dead flesh, and the only one I would believe for a second to be truly offended by the practice of eating dogs would be Hyke, because I know she doesn't eat animals; though she doesn't seem too offended.
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No more gross than a quartered chicken, or a side of pork ribs.
What makes you say so? In my view, using an animal with a higher "sentience" is taboo. A chicken doesn't really think much of anything except eating and shitting. Dogs hypothesize, plan, and dream.
Because if someone finds eating the dead flesh of one animal acceptable and eating another unacceptable, it gives them no logical or moral leg to stand when debating the topic of eating animals. Just because someone finds one animal to be more important than another doesn't make it so. Anyway, my scoff at this thread is the high and mighty flesh eater attitude found, because PPK compared it to abuse and Bodaccea called the Chinese uncivilized. Everyone has things that they're turned off by the idea of eating, but it's not being presented that way. I don't like the idea of eating organs, but would never claim myself better than liver eaters. It's all dead flesh, and the only one I would believe for a second to be truly offended by the practice of eating dogs would be Hyke, because I know she doesn't eat animals; though she doesn't seem too offended.
I don't think I ever claimed moral superiority. I simply stated that I found it distasteful.
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No more gross than a quartered chicken, or a side of pork ribs.
What makes you say so? In my view, using an animal with a higher "sentience" is taboo. A chicken doesn't really think much of anything except eating and shitting. Dogs hypothesize, plan, and dream.
Because if someone finds eating the dead flesh of one animal acceptable and eating another unacceptable, it gives them no logical or moral leg to stand when debating the topic of eating animals. Just because someone finds one animal to be more important than another doesn't make it so. Anyway, my scoff at this thread is the high and mighty flesh eater attitude found, because PPK compared it to abuse and Bodaccea called the Chinese uncivilized. Everyone has things that they're turned off by the idea of eating, but it's not being presented that way. I don't like the idea of eating organs, but would never claim myself better than liver eaters. It's all dead flesh, and the only one I would believe for a second to be truly offended by the practice of eating dogs would be Hyke, because I know she doesn't eat animals; though she doesn't seem too offended.
I agree.
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No more gross than a quartered chicken, or a side of pork ribs.
What makes you say so? In my view, using an animal with a higher "sentience" is taboo. A chicken doesn't really think much of anything except eating and shitting. Dogs hypothesize, plan, and dream.
Because if someone finds eating the dead flesh of one animal acceptable and eating another unacceptable, it gives them no logical or moral leg to stand when debating the topic of eating animals. Just because someone finds one animal to be more important than another doesn't make it so. Anyway, my scoff at this thread is the high and mighty flesh eater attitude found, because PPK compared it to abuse and Bodaccea called the Chinese uncivilized. Everyone has things that they're turned off by the idea of eating, but it's not being presented that way. I don't like the idea of eating organs, but would never claim myself better than liver eaters. It's all dead flesh, and the only one I would believe for a second to be truly offended by the practice of eating dogs would be Hyke, because I know she doesn't eat animals; though she doesn't seem too offended.
I don't think I ever claimed moral superiority. I simply stated that I found it distasteful.
Agreed. That's why I didn't mention you.
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You know what's funny? Someone read me my horoscope today and it said something about my opinions and hammers, those words. Should shut up and think what I think, and let others think what they think. Sorry.
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I think your opinion was entirely valid, and you made a good point. No reason to apologize.
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You know what's funny? Someone read me my horoscope today and it said something about my opinions and hammers, those words. Should shut up and think what I think, and let others think what they think. Sorry.
Nothing to be sorry about. I agree that my view on eating dog or cat is influenced by the culture I grew up in. OTOH I have not made any pretense of objectivity in this thread.
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The town I lived in when I was young had a guy who butchered dogs in his yard and ate them :zombiefuck: They had no law at the time to stop him and made several new ones just to deal with him
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OTOH I have not made any pretense of objectivity in this thread.
Didn't see my viewpoint as objective either but rather yes or no. Your moral connection to the guy with the 100 dogs could inspire a very different conversation than, does one eat meat or not. Maybe next time though.
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I already knew this, but still.... :rage:
Me too. It got me thinking of that douchebag in Canada that killed 100 dogs in two days. :thumbdn:
OTOH I have not made any pretense of objectivity in this thread.
Didn't see my viewpoint as objective either but rather yes or no. Your moral connection to the guy with the 100 dogs could inspire a very different conversation than, does one eat meat or not. Maybe next time though.
I did not make the claim that eating dogs is morally the same as that idiot slaughtering 100 dogs. What brought that comparison to mind was the number of dogs combined with the claim that many of these animals are family pets. "The dogs, many apparently stolen from their owners," did you miss that part? Where I did use the term bad conduct I was comparing eating oatmeal with eating dogs.
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I was comparing eating oatmeal with eating dogs.
Quote taken out of context FTW!
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I did not make the claim that eating dogs is morally the same as that idiot slaughtering 100 dogs.
Of course not. You just stated the connection you made, which could be viewed as a moral one. Really, don't know the story of the guy with the dogs; just guessing it wasn't nice and not for food. So may have misunderstood a purely visceral reaction as something else.
What brought that comparison to mind was the number of dogs combined with the claim that many of these animals are family pets. "The dogs, many apparently stolen from their owners," did you miss that part?
Yes, missed. Stealing people's pets is another topic though and one which most agree, so not sure I would have touched on it anyway, but it does explain your connection well. Where I did use the term bad conduct I was comparing eating oatmeal with eating dogs.
Not really sure what that means.
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That whole "promoting bodily warmth in the winter" thing is stupid anyway. It was my mother's reason for making me choke down
oatmeal :sick: so many winter mornings. Think about it, no matter how hot your breakfast is, it won't STAY hot in your stomach for
hours afterward and warm your entire body like a furnace. Don't they have COATS in China? :duh:
I didn't realize that promoting bodily warmth was such a widespread excuse for bad conduct.
This is the post where I used the term "bad conduct" Jack.
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Yes. I see. Thanks.
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Here is the thread about the guy slaughtering 100 dogs. http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,16582.0.html (http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,16582.0.html)
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im not gonna u-turn on what i said.
i find it uncivilized.
i find eating dog meat uncivilized.
stealing peoples pet's, to be slaughtered and eaten is uncivilized.
to me
i just find it strange that anyone would find eating a stolen pet appealing. :dunno:
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Why do some people thinking screwing small children is appealing? Why do some people think murdering someone is appealing? There's just some screwed up people out there. :dunno:
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im not gonna u-turn on what i said.
i find it uncivilized.
i find eating dog meat uncivilized.
stealing peoples pet's, to be slaughtered and eaten is uncivilized.
to me
i just find it strange that anyone would find eating a stolen pet appealing. :dunno:
The one guy I have known who had eaten dog was a Filipino who had done it as a kid because it is a cultural thing there. It is not a cultural thing that I grok but Albert was a decent guy, not a pet thief, and not like the guy in Canada IMO. I'm not posting this to try and change your mind. :thumbup:
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im not gonna u-turn on what i said.
i find it uncivilized.
i find eating dog meat uncivilized.
stealing peoples pet's, to be slaughtered and eaten is uncivilized.
to me
i just find it strange that anyone would find eating a stolen pet appealing. :dunno:
:) That's fine too. Happen to think the same about all animals. Like I said; just need to shut up about it.
Why do some people thinking screwing small children is appealing? Why do some people think murdering someone is appealing? There's just some screwed up people out there. :dunno:
Appealing? No. Apologies if I was misunderstood.
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Professor Chang Jiwen of the Chinese Academy of the Social Sciences is one of the law's top campaigners. "Cats and dogs are loyal friends to humans," he said. "A ban on eating them would show China has reached a new level of civilization."
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-09/world/china.animals_1_dog-meat-cats-and-dogs-number-of-pet-owners?_s=PM:WORLD (http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-09/world/china.animals_1_dog-meat-cats-and-dogs-number-of-pet-owners?_s=PM:WORLD)
In this CNN article it says that the Chinese Gov are drafting up laws to ban cat/dog meat. It is likely to take upto
ten years to become law.
The Gov also ordered all restaurants and hotels to take cat/dog off the menu during the Bejing olympics, in area's
where there would be a lot of visitors?
Why would they do that?
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Professor Chang Jiwen of the Chinese Academy of the Social Sciences is one of the law's top campaigners. "Cats and dogs are loyal friends to humans," he said. "A ban on eating them would show China has reached a new level of civilization."
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-09/world/china.animals_1_dog-meat-cats-and-dogs-number-of-pet-owners?_s=PM:WORLD (http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-09/world/china.animals_1_dog-meat-cats-and-dogs-number-of-pet-owners?_s=PM:WORLD)
In this CNN article it says that the Chinese Gov are drafting up laws to ban cat/dog meat. It is likely to take upto
ten years to become law.
The Gov also ordered all restaurants and hotels to take cat/dog off the menu during the Bejing olympics, in area's
where there would be a lot of visitors?
Why would they do that?
Probably because they know the practice of eating dogs and cats will seem alien and alienating to many tourists.
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Professor Chang Jiwen of the Chinese Academy of the Social Sciences is one of the law's top campaigners. "Cats and dogs are loyal friends to humans," he said. "A ban on eating them would show China has reached a new level of civilization."
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-09/world/china.animals_1_dog-meat-cats-and-dogs-number-of-pet-owners?_s=PM:WORLD (http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-09/world/china.animals_1_dog-meat-cats-and-dogs-number-of-pet-owners?_s=PM:WORLD)
In this CNN article it says that the Chinese Gov are drafting up laws to ban cat/dog meat. It is likely to take upto
ten years to become law.
The Gov also ordered all restaurants and hotels to take cat/dog off the menu during the Bejing olympics, in area's
where there would be a lot of visitors?
Why would they do that?
Because it would gross all the Westerners out. Eating carnivores is not only unappetizing, but places you at a much higher risk of contracting parasites compared to herbivore meat.
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Why do some people thinking screwing small children is appealing? Why do some people think murdering someone is appealing? There's just some screwed up people out there. :dunno:
Appealing? No. Apologies if I was misunderstood.
I wasn't responding to you, Jack. Boddacea was talking about appealing. :)
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I take it back now, me saying 'uncivilized'
people who do this are just CUNTS
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^I agree.
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They live their whole lives like that, producing eggs.
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Have you ever watched what goes on inside a slaughterhouse?
How the hell is that^ any different from this:
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(http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advocacy/wp-content/uploads/prop-2.jpg)
(http://bikyamasr.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/factory-farming-chickens.jpg)
And all this is happening in "civilised" settings.
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a percentage of the cats and dogs don't have to live
their whole lives like it.
started off as pet's.
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Of course. I was talking about the chickens.
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i am not an advocate for farming.
anyone who treats an animal like that is a cunt. whatever the animal.
i am just responding to a thread about cat and dog meat.
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i am just responding to a thread about cat and dog meat.
It seems you are not allowed. You may not be offended by such things unless you are a vegetarian. This is the vibe I am getting right now.
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It seems you are not allowed. You may not be offended by such things unless you are a vegetarian. This is the vibe I am getting right now.
Sorry about that.
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i am just responding to a thread about cat and dog meat.
It seems you are not allowed. You may not be offended by such things unless you are a vegetarian. This is the vibe I am getting right now.
i don't think that was the OP's original idea, but yeah i think you are right. Thanks, i am so thick sometimes :zoinks:
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You guys should watch Earthlings.
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You guys should watch Earthlings.
If I watch it will I earn enough cred to be allowed to be offended? What if I just watch half of it? Just dogs but not cats? Other way around?
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Thanks, i am so thick sometimes :zoinks:
Never meant to imply such. Apologies if it came across that way.
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:2thumbsup: it's cool
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You guys should watch Earthlings.
If I watch it will I earn enough cred to be allowed to be offended? What if I just watch half of it? Just dogs but not cats? Other way around?
Animals are animals. Just because chickens aren't as cute and fluffy as cats or dogs does it mean they're allowed to be kept in tightly packed cages?
I'm not saying you aren't allowed to be offended. It is horrific. But it's not okay when you argue that cows or chickens deserve such treatment because they've been labelled by us as merely food and not a living, breathing creature.
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i am just responding to a thread about cat and dog meat.
It seems you are not allowed. You may not be offended by such things unless you are a vegetarian. This is the vibe I am getting right now.
i don't think that was the OP's original idea, but yeah i think you are right. Thanks, i am so thick sometimes :zoinks:
No it was not. I view the eating of dogs and cats much like I do eating menudo or tripe. It is vulgar and not something I choose to do. The moral outrage that Jack appeared to infer from my posts is not there for people raised in cultures like China or the Phillipines who eat dog, possibly because I worked with Albert some years back. I do consider it morally fucked up to steal family pets, particularly so if the intent is to eat them. I will continue eating chickens, beef and pork.
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I do consider it morally fucked up to steal family pets, particularly so if the intent is to eat them.
I agree, for most any intent.
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I do consider it morally fucked up to steal family pets, particularly so if the intent is to eat them.
I agree, for most any intent.
I would also say it is fucked up to steal the neighbors chickens, pigs or cows and eat them as well.
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Indeed. :)
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I do consider it morally fucked up to steal family pets, particularly so if the intent is to eat them.
I agree, for most any intent.
I would also say it is fucked up to steal the neighbors chickens, pigs or cows and eat them as well.
I agree, but I consider stealing pets worse.
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I do consider it morally fucked up to steal family pets, particularly so if the intent is to eat them.
I agree, for most any intent.
I would also say it is fucked up to steal the neighbors chickens, pigs or cows and eat them as well.
I agree, but I consider stealing pets worse.
:agreed:
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You guys should watch Earthlings.
If I watch it will I earn enough cred to be allowed to be offended? What if I just watch half of it? Just dogs but not cats? Other way around?
Animals are animals. Just because chickens aren't as cute and fluffy as cats or dogs does it mean they're allowed to be kept in tightly packed cages?
I'm not saying you aren't allowed to be offended. It is horrific. But it's not okay when you argue that cows or chickens deserve such treatment because they've been labelled by us as merely food and not a living, breathing creature.
Second time you've avoided responding to me in this thread ::)
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You guys should watch Earthlings.
If I watch it will I earn enough cred to be allowed to be offended? What if I just watch half of it? Just dogs but not cats? Other way around?
Animals are animals. Just because chickens aren't as cute and fluffy as cats or dogs does it mean they're allowed to be kept in tightly packed cages?
I'm not saying you aren't allowed to be offended. It is horrific. But it's not okay when you argue that cows or chickens deserve such treatment because they've been labelled by us as merely food and not a living, breathing creature.
Second time you've avoided responding to me in this thread ::)
Are you looking for an argument? I don't see the possibility of changing your position, do you presume you can change mine?
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You guys should watch Earthlings.
If I watch it will I earn enough cred to be allowed to be offended? What if I just watch half of it? Just dogs but not cats? Other way around?
Animals are animals. Just because chickens aren't as cute and fluffy as cats or dogs does it mean they're allowed to be kept in tightly packed cages?
I'm not saying you aren't allowed to be offended. It is horrific. But it's not okay when you argue that cows or chickens deserve such treatment because they've been labelled by us as merely food and not a living, breathing creature.
Second time you've avoided responding to me in this thread ::)
Are you looking for an argument? I don't see the possibility of changing your position, do you presume you can change mine?
No but an acknowledgement of my post would have been nice. Especially after your little dig at me.
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You guys should watch Earthlings.
If I watch it will I earn enough cred to be allowed to be offended? What if I just watch half of it? Just dogs but not cats? Other way around?
Animals are animals. Just because chickens aren't as cute and fluffy as cats or dogs does it mean they're allowed to be kept in tightly packed cages?
I'm not saying you aren't allowed to be offended. It is horrific. But it's not okay when you argue that cows or chickens deserve such treatment because they've been labelled by us as merely food and not a living, breathing creature.
Second time you've avoided responding to me in this thread ::)
Are you looking for an argument? I don't see the possibility of changing your position, do you presume you can change mine?
No but an acknowledgement of my post would have been nice. Especially after your little dig at me.
I acknowledge your post. The inhumane treatment of animals is awful. I spent a dozen years in veterinary medicine and was once a vegetarian myself. It didn't work for me as a permanent solution so I do my best to stick to cruelty-free products as much as I can.
That said, eating someone's pet cat is much, much worse than eating a chicken kept in a battery cage. My opinion, and can't be changed as I have already devoted years to developing it.
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You guys should watch Earthlings.
If I watch it will I earn enough cred to be allowed to be offended? What if I just watch half of it? Just dogs but not cats? Other way around?
Animals are animals. Just because chickens aren't as cute and fluffy as cats or dogs does it mean they're allowed to be kept in tightly packed cages?
I'm not saying you aren't allowed to be offended. It is horrific. But it's not okay when you argue that cows or chickens deserve such treatment because they've been labelled by us as merely food and not a living, breathing creature.
Second time you've avoided responding to me in this thread ::)
Are you looking for an argument? I don't see the possibility of changing your position, do you presume you can change mine?
No but an acknowledgement of my post would have been nice. Especially after your little dig at me.
I acknowledge your post. The inhumane treatment of animals is awful. I spent a dozen years in veterinary medicine and was once a vegetarian myself. It didn't work for me as a permanent solution so I do my best to stick to cruelty-free products as much as I can.
That said, eating someone's pet cat is much, much worse than eating a chicken kept in a battery cage. My opinion, and can't be changed as I have already devoted years to developing it.
Fair enough.