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Title: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 04:11:58 PM
to get a civil partnership?  ???
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: TheoK on March 28, 2011, 04:33:14 PM
Not in Sweden.  :viking:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Parts on March 28, 2011, 04:53:07 PM
I don't understand any of it.  Politicians made the rules since when does anything they do make sense
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Callaway on March 28, 2011, 04:56:57 PM
to get a civil partnership?  ???

Because if the couple were of the opposite sex, they could get a marriage license.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: TheoK on March 28, 2011, 04:59:55 PM
In Sweden we have something called "borgerlig vigsel"~"civil wedding" in the city hall. It existed long before gay marriage, which became legal just a few years ago.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 05:03:54 PM
to get a civil partnership?  ???

Because if the couple were of the opposite sex, they could get a marriage license.

So?
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Osensitive1 on March 28, 2011, 05:12:18 PM
What's the difference between the two?
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: TheoK on March 28, 2011, 05:14:30 PM
There is actually no practical point with marriage, at least not here. Back when my grandparents married, you got things like "widow pension" and "common taxation" but not anymore.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 05:28:05 PM
What's the difference between the two?

Different names

Marriage has religious/sexist connotations

There should be civil marriage for everyone regardless of sex, or there should be neither
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Osensitive1 on March 28, 2011, 05:42:44 PM
Different names
'What's in a name? that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.'
Marriage has religious/sexist connotations

There should be civil marriage for everyone regardless of sex, or there should be neither
Maybe it's just a difference of location. Here people can be married outside of a church with a justice of the peace, which many do, so no real religious connotation. Not sure what you mean by the sexist part. Seems civil partnerships could be considered quite the triumph for the gay community and to give to everyone would minimize it's poignance, or at the very least be rude, because like you say it only has a different name. If the name has no meaning, then it has no meaning.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 05:45:33 PM
It's "seperate but equal"

And the name is important as it differentiates between sex, something which should be private. Why should it be anyone else's business what sex me or my partner are?

The religious/sexist part was about the history of it. The term "marriage" implies religion and sexism to me
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Osensitive1 on March 28, 2011, 05:51:34 PM
Your point is a good one. These things have an evolutionary quality to them though. Your country is far ahead of most.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 05:54:47 PM
It is. And I'm glad of that. I don't see why we needed to make an extra thing just for same sex couples though. It would have made much more sense to just make civil marriage available for couples of any sex, without forcing them to broadcast it to the world
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: P7PSP on March 28, 2011, 06:13:57 PM
to get a civil partnership?  ???
Does the law actually state that? Post a link to the law as written.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 06:15:43 PM
yeah you have to be 2 females or 2 males for a civil partnership. there was a case recently where a strraight couple wanted to get one but werent aable to

will find the law later, got a headache and cant be arsed  :dunno:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Osensitive1 on March 28, 2011, 06:21:35 PM
It is. And I'm glad of that. I don't see why we needed to make an extra thing just for same sex couples though. It would have made much more sense to just make civil marriage available for couples of any sex, without forcing them to broadcast it to the world
It may very well be that way some day, but the glass is still half full for same sex partners in the UK.

to get a civil partnership?  ???
Does the law actually state that? Post a link to the law as written.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/33/contents
Eligibility
(1)Two people are not eligible to register as civil partners of each other if—.
(a)they are not of the same sex,.
(b)either of them is already a civil partner or lawfully married,.
(c)either of them is under 16, or.
(d)they are within prohibited degrees of relationship..
(2)Part 1 of Schedule 1 contains provisions for determining when two people are within prohibited degrees of relationship..
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: DukeNukem on March 28, 2011, 07:07:34 PM
What's a civil partnership? Is it like the platonic equivalent to a marriage? :dunno:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Osensitive1 on March 28, 2011, 07:08:52 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_partnership_in_the_United_Kingdom
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: DukeNukem on March 28, 2011, 07:17:28 PM
Thanks for the Wikipedia link, genius. Now use a little bit of that great education you have to give me a one or two sentence summary. :wanker:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 07:19:01 PM
you could get a one sentence summary by reading the first sentence of the link
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Semicolon on March 28, 2011, 07:24:24 PM
Thanks for the Wikipedia link, genius. Now use a little bit of that great education you have to give me a one or two sentence summary. :wanker:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Civil partnerships in the United Kingdom, granted under the Civil Partnership Act 2004, are a very basic idea that will fly right over Pentagram's head because he is a moron who can't be arsed to read a simple article.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: DukeNukem on March 28, 2011, 07:37:10 PM
Thanks for the Wikipedia link, genius. Now use a little bit of that great education you have to give me a one or two sentence summary. :wanker:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Civil partnerships in the United Kingdom, granted under the Civil Partnership Act 2004, are a very basic idea that will fly right over Pentagram's head because he is a moron who can't be arsed to read a simple article.

At least I'm not gay. Haha! :orly:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Semicolon on March 28, 2011, 07:41:55 PM
Thanks for the Wikipedia link, genius. Now use a little bit of that great education you have to give me a one or two sentence summary. :wanker:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Civil partnerships in the United Kingdom, granted under the Civil Partnership Act 2004, are a very basic idea that will fly right over Pentagram's head because he is a moron who can't be arsed to read a simple article.

At least I'm not gay. Haha! :orly:

You're fat, lazy, and lonely, so I won't criticize you for looking at your heterosexuality as the silver lining of your life. At least the female pigs will know the joy of your devotion.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Binty on March 28, 2011, 07:43:28 PM
I'm lazy, lonely and a big, dirty queer (emo)
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Binty on March 28, 2011, 07:44:13 PM
However(!) one thing I'm not, is fat  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on March 28, 2011, 07:44:39 PM
I'm lazy
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Semicolon on March 28, 2011, 07:45:53 PM
Thanks for the Wikipedia link, genius. Now use a little bit of that great education you have to give me a one or two sentence summary. :wanker:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Civil partnerships in the United Kingdom, granted under the Civil Partnership Act 2004, are a very basic idea that will fly right over Pentagram's head because he is a moron who can't be arsed to read a simple article.

At least I'm not gay. Haha! :orly:

You're fat, lazy, and lonely, so I won't criticize you for looking at your heterosexuality as the silver lining of your life. At least the female pigs will know the joy of your devotion.

I'm beginning to sound like Sir Les. I don't know whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. :laugh:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: "couldbecousin" on March 29, 2011, 01:30:43 AM
However(!) one thing I'm not, is fat  :zoinks:

I'm fat! (For now, anyway.)  :snowman:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: "couldbecousin" on March 29, 2011, 01:31:46 AM
I'm lazy

Me too, very good at it! I can waste a weekend like nobody's business.  8)
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: 'andersom' on March 29, 2011, 01:33:14 AM
Not in Sweden.  :viking:
Not in the Netherlands either.  :viking:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: 'andersom' on March 29, 2011, 01:44:52 AM
In Sweden we have something called "borgerlig vigsel"~"civil wedding" in the city hall. It existed long before gay marriage, which became legal just a few years ago.

We have the "burgerlijk huwelijk", "civil wedding". Open for gay and straight relationships.
And we have "geregistreerd partnerschap", "Civil Partnership". Open for gay and straight partners.
And, if you want to do it different, you can also go to a Notary public to arrange the legal matters of living with a partner, regardless of genders.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: 'andersom' on March 29, 2011, 01:46:10 AM
Thanks for the Wikipedia link, genius. Now use a little bit of that great education you have to give me a one or two sentence summary. :wanker:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Civil partnerships in the United Kingdom, granted under the Civil Partnership Act 2004, are a very basic idea that will fly right over Pentagram's head because he is a moron who can't be arsed to read a simple article.

At least I'm not gay. Haha! :orly:

You're fat, lazy, and lonely, so I won't criticize you for looking at your heterosexuality as the silver lining of your life. At least the female pigs will know the joy of your devotion.

I'm beginning to sound like Sir Les. I don't know whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. :laugh:
:eyebrows: :laugh:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: DukeNukem on March 29, 2011, 06:05:48 AM
I'm lazy, lonely and a big, dirty queer (emo)

You can't come out the closet because you've become stuck in the doorway. :hahaha:

However(!) one thing I'm not, is fat  :zoinks:

:orly:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: "couldbecousin" on March 29, 2011, 06:20:05 AM
I'm lazy, lonely and a big, dirty queer (emo)

You can't come out the closet because you've become stuck in the doorway. :hahaha:

However(!) one thing I'm not, is fat  :zoinks:

:orly:

Mr. Big Fat Queer is Binty, and she's thin. Just so you know.  ;)
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: RageBeoulve on March 29, 2011, 07:39:48 AM
Soaf. What does this matter?
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Binty on March 29, 2011, 09:43:02 AM
I'm lazy, lonely and a big, dirty queer (emo)

You can't come out the closet because you've become stuck in the doorway. :hahaha:

However(!) one thing I'm not, is fat  :zoinks:

:orly:

Mr. Big Fat Queer is Binty, and she's thin. Just so you know.  ;)

 :-*
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: eris on March 29, 2011, 09:46:04 AM
to get a civil partnership?  ???


hmm, i dont know, cause laws are strange



Here in Pennsylvania you have a civil "common law" marriage if you live together more than 7 years. 
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Frolic_Fun on March 29, 2011, 09:47:05 AM
Personally I think legal marriage should be banned altogether, even civil partnerships.

Why can't couples just stay together and just act like they're married? :dunno:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: RageBeoulve on March 29, 2011, 09:49:04 AM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on March 29, 2011, 09:49:34 AM
Personally I think legal marriage should be banned altogether, even civil partnerships.

Why can't couples just stay together and just act like they're married? :dunno:

Lack of tax benefits and wedding gifts? :zoinks:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: eris on March 29, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
 i agree too. now. :)


I was legally married to someone I never lived with, and had more rights than people who live together for years.

It's all fuckotry. Just live like you want to live.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: RageBeoulve on March 29, 2011, 09:57:48 AM
I'LLDOWHATEVERI FEEEL LIKEIWANNADO GOD
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2011, 01:19:05 PM
I agree that marriage is a load of bullshit. But at the same time it's a quick and easy way of getting all the legal protection (and yes financial benefits too lol) that comes with it.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: 'andersom' on March 29, 2011, 02:44:27 PM
Personally I think legal marriage should be banned altogether, even civil partnerships.

Why can't couples just stay together and just act like they're married? :dunno:

Because they want to legally change the relation to their family. When they die, they don't want family to kick out the remaining partner out of the house, don't want to leave the remaining partner bereft of half of the goods.

It is legal security people seek. Can't see how gender should make any difference in the type of legal security you seek for a relationship.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2011, 04:04:15 PM
:agreed:

I see no need for marriage when it is just about "love" and "weddings" etc etc

But the legal stuff definitely serves a purpose
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Frolic_Fun on March 29, 2011, 04:40:38 PM
I agree that marriage is a load of bullshit. But at the same time it's a quick and easy way of getting all the legal protection (and yes financial benefits too lol) that comes with it.

The problem is that once you go in, it's a pain in the arse to get out. It's almost like selling the soul to the devil just to be rich or something.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Squidusa on April 04, 2011, 11:09:24 AM
Thanks for the Wikipedia link, genius. Now use a little bit of that great education you have to give me a one or two sentence summary. :wanker:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Civil partnerships in the United Kingdom, granted under the Civil Partnership Act 2004, are a very basic idea that will fly right over Pentagram's head because he is a moron who can't be arsed to read a simple article.

At least I'm not gay. Haha! :orly:

Why? , so you can appease some fictional fairy tale in the sky?  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: eris on April 07, 2011, 12:51:37 AM
I agree that marriage is a load of bullshit. But at the same time it's a quick and easy way of getting all the legal protection (and yes financial benefits too lol) that comes with it.

The problem is that once you go in, it's a pain in the arse to get out. It's almost like selling the soul to the devil just to be rich or something.

you have to fucking idea how hard it is to get out of a marriage. If one party doesnt want to cooperate, it takes forever and ever. Oh, and it fucks with your credit too. :)

Yeah, I think the rules should be reviewed, to say the least.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: 9shadowcat9 on April 07, 2011, 04:51:01 AM
to get a civil partnership?  ???

Because the church doesn't allow homosexual marriages (the official definition is a holy matromony between a man and women) so civil partnership was made as a comprimise. In a civil wedding you can't use any religious terminology in your vows for this reason.

I personally find this homophobic... ;_;
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on April 07, 2011, 05:02:54 AM
But that's no reason why straight people shouldn't be able to get civil partnerships as well

What sex someone is should be no one's business whatsoever if they're getting a legal marriage
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: 'andersom' on April 07, 2011, 09:32:14 AM
to get a civil partnership?  ???

Because the church doesn't allow homosexual marriages (the official definition is a holy matromony between a man and women) so civil partnership was made as a comprimise. In a civil wedding you can't use any religious terminology in your vows for this reason.

I personally find this homophobic... ;_;

Here the main church was blessing and celebrating gay relationships before the state was ready to have civil partnership, let alone marriage for gay people.

So, church doesn't have to be a reason.

Gay marriage is an option for over 10 years now in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on April 07, 2011, 10:32:18 AM
Also a marriage which is recognised by the state should have absolutely NO religious connotations at all
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: 'andersom' on April 07, 2011, 12:25:38 PM
Also a marriage which is recognised by the state should have absolutely NO religious connotations at all
:agreed: :indeed:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: eris on April 08, 2011, 12:03:32 AM
Also a marriage which is recognised by the state should have absolutely NO religious connotations at all

mine didnt have any. I got married by a judge :D
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: "couldbecousin" on April 08, 2011, 12:11:39 AM
Also a marriage which is recognised by the state should have absolutely NO religious connotations at all

mine didnt have any. I got married by a judge :D

When I was a child, back in the 1970s, we had a guest celebrant at Mass once, a monsignor who talked about the "hippie"
weddings being chosen by Catholic youth who should have known better because after all they'd been raised in the Church!
I still remember the contempt with which he said "Barefoot in the backyard, with a justice of the peace!"    :rofl:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: renaeden on April 08, 2011, 10:32:22 PM
I got married by a celebrant in the backyard. Wasn't barefoot though. :D
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: P7PSP on April 08, 2011, 11:43:45 PM
But that's no reason why straight people shouldn't be able to get civil partnerships as well

What sex someone is should be no one's business whatsoever if they're getting a legal marriage
Why worry about it Soph? You have been very clear in other threads that you are quite satisfied to have others pass laws on your behalf so you can deal with other things, possibly ice lollies and chips and gravy. Just trust those in power to have your best interest at heart.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on April 08, 2011, 11:48:06 PM
???
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: P7PSP on April 09, 2011, 12:20:06 AM
But that's no reason why straight people shouldn't be able to get civil partnerships as well

What sex someone is should be no one's business whatsoever if they're getting a legal marriage
Why worry about it Soph? You have been very clear in other threads that you are quite satisfied to have others pass laws on your behalf so you can deal with other things, possibly ice lollies and chips and gravy. Just trust those in power to have your best interest at heart.  :thumbup:
???
Honestly? Yes. I don't want to vote on every single law the govt wants to pass. I actually have other thigns I want to do with my life
Did I read that wrong?
Title: Re: Why do you have to be of the same sex
Post by: Adam on April 09, 2011, 12:27:35 AM
Nope. I don't see how that equates to me not giving a shit about any political matters however