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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: QuirkyCarla on October 29, 2006, 08:57:36 PM

Title: Gay marriage
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 29, 2006, 08:57:36 PM
Last week New Jersey (my state in the US) decided that gay couples should have the same rights as straight couples, therefore they should be allowed to marry. The lawmakers were given 180 days to decide if gays will be allowed civil unions (which will give them all the same rights as heterosexual marriage, except the term "marriage" won't be used) or if they'll be actual marriages. I'm hoping for the latter  ;D. Finally, something to like about NJ besides the fact that it's a blue state.  :green:
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: McGiver on October 29, 2006, 08:58:47 PM
NJ has alot of cows.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: McGiver on October 29, 2006, 09:00:03 PM
on a more serious note.

who cares, if two people love each other and want to call themselves married, then let them.

but first, i must caution, the sex isn't as good after marriage.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: hiroshima on October 29, 2006, 09:02:07 PM
I am very curious to see what the gay divorce rate is compared to the straight divorce rate, and why.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Werbert on October 29, 2006, 09:11:15 PM
I wonder what a gay divorce looks like.  Is it amicable, or does it degenerate into a sissy slap fight?
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Leto729 on October 29, 2006, 09:17:25 PM
Most likely the same as the rest of the married-divorce rates in genereal.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 29, 2006, 09:19:31 PM
I am for gay marriage, but against gay divorce.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Callaway on October 29, 2006, 09:21:38 PM
I am for gay marriage, but against gay divorce.

If two gay people are married and miserable, shouldn't they have the same right to get divorced as a straight couple?
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 29, 2006, 09:23:56 PM
I was kidding, Callaway. I actually stole that quote from somebody. Perhaps I should have used a ;) or a :P
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Callaway on October 29, 2006, 09:42:24 PM
You got me, QuirkyCarla.  I thought you were serious.

I did an AS thing.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 29, 2006, 09:56:03 PM
Callaway did an AS thing! Callaway did an AS thing!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: purposefulinsanity on October 30, 2006, 04:21:46 AM
.

but first, i must caution, the sex isn't as good after marriage.

Speak for yourself  >:D
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: purposefulinsanity on October 30, 2006, 04:23:09 AM
But seriously though I agree that as long as we're talking about consenting adults who the fuck has the right to tell people what kind of relationship is 'right'?
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: richard on October 30, 2006, 09:19:58 AM
who cares, if two people love each other and want to call themselves married, then let them.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Kiss_my_AS on October 30, 2006, 02:43:59 PM
I agree, but their is a conflict with a gay marriage on a religious level. Many streamings condemn homosexuality; it would be odd for a priest to marry two men or women that are living 'the wrong kind of life' in his opinion. Similarly I find it odd if a couple wants to be married in the tradition of the religions stream of their preference, if that religious branch clearly states that it rejects them.

Of course there's not a broad consensus on the topic of whether homosexuality is an acceptable phenomenon or an abomination - there are many priests out there who're willing to marry a gay couple. But the ratio of 'liberal' and 'conservative' priests isn't exactly 1:1, that should be obvious.

Once again, I absolutely agree with the idea that gay couples should have same the rights as straight couples when it comes to marriage. But a law can't force a change of a religion, that depends on the interpretation of the community that comes with. And even that's a hard thing to change, as they can't alter the basic principles of a religion; if it was that easy they might as well just be Deists.

So Live and let live is my take on this, and that also includes the conservative priests. Let them do what they think is line with their religion and let us concentrate on the next generations of priests, to educate them on this controversial issue.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: QuirkyCarla on October 30, 2006, 04:16:17 PM
people don't just get married at churches though an not all religions are against homosexuality
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Kiss_my_AS on October 30, 2006, 04:32:22 PM
people don't just get married at churches

That's why I spoke of people who want to be married in the tradition of the religious stream of their preference.

though an not all religions are against homosexuality

Agreed, but I was referring to Christianity (and various branches thereof) since you spoke of the US, where most gay couples who want to be married want to have a Christian (type of) wedding.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: odeon on October 31, 2006, 06:00:43 PM
I think gay marriage is fine. Let them.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Kiss_my_AS on October 31, 2006, 06:14:25 PM
All it takes is a solid separation of state and religion, leaving no reasonable argument against gay marriage.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Nomaken on November 01, 2006, 04:14:34 AM
NJ owns.  My grandparents are gonna be uncomfortable until their death now.  Woot!
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: QuirkyCarla on November 01, 2006, 09:27:57 PM
 :laugh:

Yes, NJ does pwn now.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: McGiver on November 02, 2006, 08:56:14 AM
:laugh:

Yes, NJ does pwn now.

they are known for their psychadelic mushrooms.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Leto729 on November 02, 2006, 09:38:59 AM
All it takes is a solid separation of state and religion, leaving no reasonable argument against gay marriage.
That would be nice if that could happen, but in practice it would be hard because people are people in the end.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Teejay on April 09, 2007, 07:36:35 AM
I believe marriage should be only between a man and woman, not between 2 men, 2 women, 1 man and 2 women, 1 woman and 2 men, let alone 2 men and 2 women.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: El on April 09, 2007, 01:41:17 PM
I don't believe in straight marriage.  I don't get the people who think that gay maariage will "ruin" marriage.  What's left to ruin?  I say make it so that any two adults, whatever their respective genders and/or sexes, can get married, but enact some legal contract where there's a time limit, after which there's the option to renew, or to quit and start over.  :P 

(Although I'm all for gay marriage, I'm only half-joking, about the other part.  Then again, I'm the child of at least two divorces and up to five or six, depending on how you count them.)

I am very curious to see what the gay divorce rate is compared to the straight divorce rate, and why.

Ditto, though finding out "why" would be damn hard and I'd settle for just the divorce rates and some correlations to whatever factors seems to stand out.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: McGiver on April 09, 2007, 02:08:43 PM
I believe marriage should be only between a man and woman, not between 2 men, 2 women, 1 man and 2 women, 1 woman and 2 men, let alone 2 men and 2 women.
3 men and 3 women would be ok, i think.

the bible, itself, talks of the trinity.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: El on April 09, 2007, 03:42:03 PM
I believe marriage should be only between a man and woman, not between 2 men, 2 women, 1 man and 2 women, 1 woman and 2 men, let alone 2 men and 2 women.
3 men and 3 women would be ok, i think.

the bible, itself, talks of the trinity.

Are you kidding?  People can't handle one spouse at a time, let alone three.  I'm morally opposed to it on the ground that it would cause a massive outbreak of crippling migranes.  It would cause great suffering.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Callaway on April 09, 2007, 04:51:35 PM
I saw a television show about plural marriages among the Fundamentalist Mormon offshoot of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I thought it was fascinating.  As long as all the partners enter the arrangement of their own free wills and they are all over 18, I consider it none of my business,  although I would never enter such an arrangement myself. 

Of course, in the case of the father severely beating his 16 year old daughter because she refused to marry his brother, her uncle, that just made me sick to my stomach.  It makes me wonder just how much free will some of these young people have.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Calandale on April 09, 2007, 10:57:52 PM
I believe marriage should be only between a man and woman, not between 2 men, 2 women, 1 man and 2 women, 1 woman and 2 men, let alone 2 men and 2 women.
3 men and 3 women would be ok, i think.

the bible, itself, talks of the trinity.

Threes are truly mystical. I don't know if I agree with 6's though.
But, whatever floats your boat.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Scrapheap on April 09, 2007, 11:05:31 PM
1 man and 2 women would be a trinity too..... Oooh wait, that's a manage a trios.  ::) :3some:
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: Calandale on April 09, 2007, 11:07:58 PM
It's more than just that, if it's not just for sex.
Title: Re: Gay marriage
Post by: McGiver on April 10, 2007, 06:35:42 AM
1 man and 2 women would be a trinity too..... Oooh wait, that's a manage a trios.  ::) :3some:
thre men as well, no, that would be a train.  toot toot.