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Start here => What's your crime? Basic Discussion => Topic started by: Zippo on February 19, 2011, 06:55:20 PM
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Hello, looking for what people think about firearms, the laws controlling them ect ect... i living on an island full of pot smoking liberals.... wait sorry liberals should not be used in the same sentence as pot smoking... it offends pot smokers. any how i am wondering if the views on guns is any different of you people in the US and Canada outside of where i live. i am rather of the opinions that this guy shares http://old.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel120501.shtml also if anything i found it a good read, enjoy and please comment.
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I own 50 guns, I am an NRA Patron member, on the NRA Members Council of Solano County. My Members Council signed up over 700 members in 2006, our best year.
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imo this is the same as politics.
you CANNOT say "communism is correct for the entire planet, from siberia to the amazon basin" or "capitalism is correct for the entire planet, from dakar to ayers rock" you simply CANNOT.
same goes with gun laws.
norway has its own fragile little system where _nobody_ has guns. cops dont carry guns, and criminals dont carry guns. its a very very fragile little balance. introduce guns to either of these parties, and we're all suddenly packing.
personally, i like guns, check my gun-chart in the submissions forum, ive always loved guns, and i own 5 replicas, and im THRILLED airsoft replicas are legal in norway (they werent a few years ago)
i got several favorite guns, submachineguns and rifles, one of my favorite rifles i got the honor of popping off in the (mandatory) military :]
but despite MY love for guns, i wouldnt want guns to be legalized further in norway, simply cus theyre too many morons who would "play bad" with them.
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I wish we didn't need guns for protection. I wish we would read sentences in full before saying we know what they mean.
Having said those 2 things, I don't own guns, but Prince Albert does. If I felt it necessary to own a gun, I would not hesitate to shoot an intruder who is in my house, nor someone who attempted to commit a physical offense in public. I know this deep in my heart, without reservation.
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I wish we didn't need guns for protection. I wish we would read sentences in full before saying we know what they mean.
Having said those 2 things, I don't own guns, but Prince Albert does. If I felt it necessary to own a gun, I would not hesitate to shoot an intruder who is in my house, nor someone who attempted to commit a physical offense in public. I know this deep in my heart, without reservation.
that + an ice cold smirky remark, as you finish them off w a well-placed hollowpoint between their eyes 8)
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I actually somewhat agree with zegh, some people/cultures are just too stupid to own guns.
If you had the 2nd amendment in Mesico, you'd have 10 times the blood bath that's there now. not that that would be a bad thing. ::)
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I wish we didn't need guns for protection. I wish we would read sentences in full before saying we know what they mean.
Having said those 2 things, I don't own guns, but Prince Albert does. If I felt it necessary to own a gun, I would not hesitate to shoot an intruder who is in my house, nor someone who attempted to commit a physical offense in public. I know this deep in my heart, without reservation.
I don't currently own a gun, but my brother owns several and he's very responsible with them. I'm actually a pretty good shot and if I had a gun, I wouldn't hesitate to use it if someone was in the act of harming my daughter and I needed to protect her, whether I was at home or in public.
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Guns don't kill people. Gunshot wounds do. :orly:
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Guns don't kill people. Gunshot wounds do. :orly:
Honey, if necessary, I'd beat the bastard to death with a gun. They'd be scraping him up with a pancake turner. I'm just stupidly impulsive that way. So, a gun can kill someone.
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:thumbdn:
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Guns don't kill people. Gunshot wounds do. :orly:
Honey, if necessary, I'd beat the bastard to death with a gun. They'd be scraping him up with a pancake turner. I'm just stupidly impulsive that way. So, a gun can kill someone.
Pentagram doesn't need a gun. If he wants to kill people, he can just sit on them.
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To live in a world with no guns would be great :thumbup: this world is not the world in which we live, so i am gonna have
to say 'if someone else has got one, why shouldn't i have one too?'
i happen to live in a country where you could break into my house and if my dog bit you during your robbery here you could
actaually prosecute me and have my dogs destroyed!!! now that is fucked up!
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I like guns and like to see more incentive for people to protect themselves with them, but at the same time you cannot trust one enough to not do more than just protect themselves.
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Schleed, i agree with you with one exception to what you say. i would extend the protection from just yourself to yourself and your loved ones. but beyond that its just interfering in someone else's business. you dont know who's right and wrong in the situation and so you should not get involved, leave it for the cops to sort it out...
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If action was ever taken to deprive me of guns, I would begin killing people.
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With great firepower, comes great responsibility.
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imo this is the same as politics.
you CANNOT say "communism is correct for the entire planet, from siberia to the amazon basin" or "capitalism is correct for the entire planet, from dakar to ayers rock" you simply CANNOT.
same goes with gun laws.
norway has its own fragile little system where _nobody_ has guns. cops dont carry guns, and criminals dont carry guns. its a very very fragile little balance. introduce guns to either of these parties, and we're all suddenly packing.
personally, i like guns, check my gun-chart in the submissions forum, ive always loved guns, and i own 5 replicas, and im THRILLED airsoft replicas are legal in norway (they werent a few years ago)
i got several favorite guns, submachineguns and rifles, one of my favorite rifles i got the honor of popping off in the (mandatory) military :]
but despite MY love for guns, i wouldnt want guns to be legalized further in norway, simply cus theyre too many morons who would "play bad" with them.
Well, you do have guns, like in Sweden, though, also like in Sweden, just for hunting and target shooting with compulsory shooting club membership and shit for the "privilege" to do the latter. Unlike Sweden your cops usually don't carry guns, and thus your criminals also rarely carry guns.
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imo this is the same as politics.
you CANNOT say "communism is correct for the entire planet, from siberia to the amazon basin" or "capitalism is correct for the entire planet, from dakar to ayers rock" you simply CANNOT.
same goes with gun laws.
norway has its own fragile little system where _nobody_ has guns. cops dont carry guns, and criminals dont carry guns. its a very very fragile little balance. introduce guns to either of these parties, and we're all suddenly packing.
personally, i like guns, check my gun-chart in the submissions forum, ive always loved guns, and i own 5 replicas, and im THRILLED airsoft replicas are legal in norway (they werent a few years ago)
i got several favorite guns, submachineguns and rifles, one of my favorite rifles i got the honor of popping off in the (mandatory) military :]
but despite MY love for guns, i wouldnt want guns to be legalized further in norway, simply cus theyre too many morons who would "play bad" with them.
Well, you do have guns, like in Sweden, though, also like in Sweden, just for hunting and target shooting with compulsory shooting club membership and shit for the "privilege" to do the latter. Unlike Sweden your cops usually don't carry guns, and thus your criminals also rarely carry guns.
the bottom line is cops should not need guns, cops should be used for things like trafic stops and elementary school lectures. when guns become involved there should be a special unit such as SWAT on standby. 24-7. cops already power trip enough we dont need more unjustified police shootings. last time i talked to a cop he had his hand on his firearm and the snap undone simply because i was wearing a chain of light machine-gun rounds and a hockey mask around the small down town core here [roughly half a km across highest building is two stories] this is a small island, it was NOT one of the local cops. i had no fire arms on me, it was obvious that the shells were for show, to big to be a concealed arm. unlike the belts kids wear that they buy from hot-topic with imitation 9mm/.45 shells on them.
yes i know i was being an idiot. but the point is he was ready to shoot on sight even though i was obviously not armed. i had a knife in my pocket yes. it was a two hand opener and a two hand closer... he tried to "confiscate" it until i managed to talk him into giving it back to me when we were done, and in the end he still kept in in his pocket as he drove off, when i saw him do a second lap around the road i was on i had to step in front of his car to get him to stop and give me the bloody 200$ knife back. owned it since i was 12. bloody copper wanted it for his own use. but when a guys wearing tight close and has no pack and is walking around with light machine-gun shells on him. if hes not carrying a light machine-gun then there is NO reason for him to be treated as a threat. which is the exact oposite of the treatment i got... f%$#ing laws about cops with guns need to be re-made because if civilians cant cary arms then normal police officers with there 4-6 weeks of "training" should not either.
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:agreed: :plus:
It actually was like that once in Sweden. The cops were unarmed until 1927, the same year they licensed most firearms for private citizens...
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:agreed: :plus:
It actually was like that once in Sweden. The cops were unarmed until 1927, the same year they licensed most firearms for private citizens...
i live in canada with gluey, where the cops are corrupt mother fuckers. you wouldn't think it from the LIES we spread about are country but they are.
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Guns? Weapons in general? Is it okay to carry a weapon around in public? And why does someone want to?
Well, carrying them around in public.. I think it's either fear or madness. Either you feel the need to seriously want to protect yourself.. against what, I wonder.... or someone carrying, is out to harm an other.. with such an intention doing such.
Well.. I live in Holland (small country yet a pretty crowded place) and guns in public? By law okayed? Yeah, yeah, police carry weapons here and some of them are obviously as moronic as a cauliflower.
Yet, on the other hand.. I love good quality knives.. and own a few. Also held a handgun, saw the beauty of the thing, shot it.. and, yeah.. that was pretty impressive.. but still..
.. I think I'm better off living in a society where weapons in public are not accepted.
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Guns make you :viking:
I think one of the reasons that the Yanks rule most of the planet is that they love guns and are so agressive. :arrr:
Better ask yourself why an honest citizen should not be allowed to own guns without restrictions and carry them everywhere. The criminals don't care about gun laws.
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Guns make you :viking:
I think one of the reasons that the Yanks rule most of the planet is that they love guns and are so agressive. :arrr:
Better ask yourself why an honest citizen should not be allowed to own guns without restrictions and carry them everywhere. The criminals don't care about gun laws.
this argument forgets _gun availability_
norway is a perfect example. guns are simply _too hard to come by_ for most petty criminals, who otherwise (such as in america) would be packing.
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@ TheoK..
Circle reasoning, I say. Um, and back at ya.. Why should an honest, no mal-intented meaning, chap have to carry a 'piece' around? Why? What for?
Irl, if you have 'beef' with me.. say so.. Let's go outside and take all of our clothes off.. (oink?).. and street-wise fight each other..
Well, point here.. cowards tend to carry weapons in public.. and yeah, probably have tiny dicks too (carrying.. to compensate.. maybe?)
Well, again.. I love some armoury myself too, but.. (fight, if needed, as equal opponents.. )
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Guns make you :viking:
I think one of the reasons that the Yanks rule most of the planet is that they love guns and are so agressive. :arrr:
Better ask yourself why an honest citizen should not be allowed to own guns without restrictions and carry them everywhere. The criminals don't care about gun laws.
this argument forgets _gun availability_
norway is a perfect example. guns are simply _too hard to come by_ for most petty criminals, who otherwise (such as in america) would be packing.
You have the wrong starting-point to begin with, which I find strange, since you call yourself an nihilist anarchist.
Why should anyone be allowed to determine anything for you in the first place? It's not like someone in a modern state ever chose the system that they are governed by today.
As an anarchist it should also be self-evident to you that the greatest criminal organisation there ever was is the state.
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Guns make you :viking:
I think one of the reasons that the Yanks rule most of the planet is that they love guns and are so agressive. :arrr:
Better ask yourself why an honest citizen should not be allowed to own guns without restrictions and carry them everywhere. The criminals don't care about gun laws.
this argument forgets _gun availability_
norway is a perfect example. guns are simply _too hard to come by_ for most petty criminals, who otherwise (such as in america) would be packing.
You have the wrong starting-point to begin with, which I find strange, since you call yourself an nihilist anarchist.
Why should anyone be allowed to determine anything for you in the first place? It's not like someone in a modern state ever chose the system that they are governed by today.
As an anarchist it should also be self-evident to you that the greatest criminal organisation there ever was is the state.
my "anarchist" title is sortof tongue-in-cheek, as you can see its combined with political affiliations, which is also technically impossible.
THAT SAID
my main concern is MY survival.
in a pure odds-game my chances are better in a society where petty criminals dont have a ready access to guns.
the firearm traverses human nature, just like the automobile.
a drunken rage, for example, could much more easily turn into murder with the access to guns than without, with someones bare fists,
_some_ rules are good, such as - dont drive drunk. dont allow Formula-1 cars on civilian roads, etc.
these are rules we wouldnt have to concern ourselv with, were we naked in the jungle :]
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Guns? Weapons in general? Is it okay to carry a weapon around in public? And why does someone want to?
Well, carrying them around in public.. I think it's either fear or madness. Either you feel the need to seriously want to protect yourself.. against what, I wonder.... or someone carrying, is out to harm an other.. with such an intention doing such.
Well.. I live in Holland (small country yet a pretty crowded place) and guns in public? By law okayed? Yeah, yeah, police carry weapons here and some of them are obviously as moronic as a cauliflower.
Yet, on the other hand.. I love good quality knives.. and own a few. Also held a handgun, saw the beauty of the thing, shot it.. and, yeah.. that was pretty impressive.. but still..
.. I think I'm better off living in a society where weapons in public are not accepted.
if i could i would carry a handgun concealed. actually despite popular beliefe, in canada it is not illegal to cary concealed for protection of self. you just need a govt issued permit to legally do so and they have decided to only issue them to two people. group A. being armoured guards. eg VIP protection services, those money trucks that deliver and take money from the bank, so on and so forth. and people who live in a hostile climate... such as living in the bush up north where bear and cougar roam free and pray on little children who misbehave...
and as for carrying knives concealed. its weather the cop that catches you with it thinks its a weapon or a tool. if weapon you get it confiscated and possibly charged. if tool you get to keep it with a little slap on the wrist lecture about how it could be considered a weapon. if its a single blade knife, one hand opener, again you get the point. the case with my knife mentioned above was a cop who just wanted my knife because in no way to they have to report it, they are supposed to but its at the officers discretion and who's going to believe a guy who got pulled over by a police officer for some pitiful law that makes no sense and then "Claims" the cop stole his knife as "revenge"... at least they would make it look that way. i do cary a knife on me at all times, i constantly practice using it. mostly fancy tricks and such, get a feel for the thing. so if i ever DID need to use it... assuming what i needed to use it against was close enough. i could use it, but it is ultimately a tool and treated as such.
Circle reasoning, I say. Um, and back at ya.. Why should an honest, no mal-intented meaning, chap have to carry a 'piece' around? Why? What for?
Irl, if you have 'beef' with me.. say so.. Let's go outside and take all of our clothes off.. (oink?).. and street-wise fight each other..
Well, point here.. cowards tend to carry weapons in public.. and yeah, probably have tiny dicks too (carrying.. to compensate.. maybe?)
Well, again.. I love some armoury myself too, but.. (fight, if needed, as equal opponents.. )
i have been in street fights as young as 12 years. they are not fun but i would do that over a gun or knife fight any day. if someone challenged me to a street fight and i was packing i would give my peace to a trusted person, be it a bar tender or a friend. and then go kick there ass. last person who got into a fight with me ended up using the road as a wash cloth to clean the skin off there face. it was him who challenged me. i dont look for conflict but when conflict comes to me i will deal with it accordingly. lets assume someone pulls a piece on me point blank. well i know how to disarm them without drawing and then empty THERE gun into them. its simple to do really. this is why you never rob someone from the front at point blank. say someone draws from a distance though?. then im going to have to get behind cover be it the indent that leads to a door in a comercial building, a garbage bin, a car. and draw myself... if i dont have that option im fucked. if i just stand there im fucked... at least i would have a CHANCE with a concealed weapon then with nothing. but as i again said earlier, if i could pack i would protect myself and my family alone. if a group of kids tried to beat my sister i would have no problem drawing on them. my sister is 13 and is really small.. roughly 4 &1/2 ft tall. if not shorter. shes not strong. the only thing she has on her side is speed. and that does not help when theres 4 guys beating you down... i have been there i would know. now if i drew. i could easily scare them off without having to fire a single round. if they advance then i have roughly 7 to 10 rounds to disbatch said individuals, i could even fire a few shots into the ground at a steep angle so the bullet would not recoche before i opened on them, if not giving my sis the time to run off but also call the police so i dont even have to put down anyone, thats assuming theres a squad car in the general vicinity. guns dont even have to be lethal to get the job done. they just have to be in the hands of someone who knows how to use them. there is more then one way to solve a problem with the same tool.
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You can't get most Europeans to understand this. The Swiss understand it, and the Czechs, but most Europeans simply cannot get it into their heads. There have been draconic gunlaws and gun-hating propaganda here for decades.
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Well, point here.. cowards tend to carry weapons in public.. and yeah, probably have tiny dicks too (carrying.. to compensate.. maybe?)
Can't help but always to enjoy the freudian gun analogy. They do make me feel kind of pointy.
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I can remember being in Arizona legaly walking down the street with a .45 ACP straped to my hip in plain sight. 8)
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I can remember being in Arizona legaly walking down the street with a .45 ACP straped to my hip in plain sight. 8)
, glock? m1911? i want moar details!
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I can remember being in Arizona legaly walking down the street with a .45 ACP straped to my hip in plain sight. 8)
, glock? m1911? i want moar details!
Para-Ordinance P-14.
Basically a 1911 with a doublestack 14 round mag.
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I can remember being in Arizona legaly walking down the street with a .45 ACP straped to my hip in plain sight. 8)
, glock? m1911? i want moar details!
Para-Ordinance P-14.
Basically a 1911 with a doublestack 14 round mag.
*orgasms*
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I have got a minigun in my pocket. :zoinks:
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I can remember being in Arizona legaly walking down the street with a .45 ACP straped to my hip in plain sight. 8)
That's the utmost :viking:
My brother had never even fired a real pistol in the Swedish Voluntarily Officer Education, which is kind of a pre-school for youngsters before they go to the army, only rifles and sub-machineguns. In Nevada he fired a Glock for the first time in his life, some big revolver, an M-16 and a Uzi. Not even the Swedish army has Uzis. :-\
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I can remember being in Arizona legaly walking down the street with a .45 ACP straped to my hip in plain sight. 8)
That's the utmost :viking:
My brother had never even fired a real pistol in the Swedish Voluntarily Officer Education, which is kind of a pre-school for youngsters before they go to the army, only rifles and sub-machineguns. In Nevada he fired a Glock for the first time in his life, some big revolver, an M-16 and a Uzi. Not even the Swedish army has Uzis. :-\
but they have MP5's
why have UZI if you have MP5?
personally, i think the UZI looks prettyer, in an opposite sort of way, like... its more tool-like, more "industrial" perhaps. it doesnt care about its appearance :M
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Rumour has it that Uzis were made as make-shift guns in the war against the Arabs in 1948, at least the prototype. That is certainly :viking: if it's true.
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Rumour has it that Uzis were made as make-shift guns in the war against the Arabs in 1948, at least the prototype. That is certainly :viking: if it's true.
sounds reasonable, given the origin and time of development
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Rumour has it that Uzis were made as make-shift guns in the war against the Arabs in 1948, at least the prototype. That is certainly :viking: if it's true.
i believe what actually happend if memory serves right (could be wrong) is a solder in that war saw the need for some arm like an uzi and when he got discharged he went to work and built one, the uzi was the results of his hard works and labour
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I had a good friend how kept an Uzi on his sail boat and a M14 next to his bed :laugh: He was a lot of fun we used to go sailing when we were supposed to be at work. He moved to the west coast 20 years ago
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I had a good friend how kept an Uzi on his sail boat and a M14 next to his bed :laugh: He was a lot of fun we used to go sailing when we were supposed to be at work. He moved to the west coast 20 years ago
M14 is a PITA to field strip, Uzi is easy as pie. AKs are easy too.
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I had a good friend how kept an Uzi on his sail boat and a M14 next to his bed :laugh: He was a lot of fun we used to go sailing when we were supposed to be at work. He moved to the west coast 20 years ago
M14 is a PITA to field strip, Uzi is easy as pie. AKs are easy too.
He loved his guns and his pot which he grew in his living room. He had a whole host of other guns but those were his favorites. His wife had one on her side of the bed also I cant remember what :laugh: they lived in a rather shitty neighborhood
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I had a good friend how kept an Uzi on his sail boat and a M14 next to his bed :laugh: He was a lot of fun we used to go sailing when we were supposed to be at work. He moved to the west coast 20 years ago
M14 is a PITA to field strip, Uzi is easy as pie. AKs are easy too.
He loved his guns and his pot which he grew in his living room. He had a whole host of other guns but those were his favorites. His wife had one on her side of the bed also I cant remember what :laugh: they lived in a rather shitty neighborhood
I love the image of his-and-hers firearms by the bed. Imagine breaking into a house in the middle of the night and being confronted by that! :headbang:
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I had a good friend how kept an Uzi on his sail boat and a M14 next to his bed :laugh: He was a lot of fun we used to go sailing when we were supposed to be at work. He moved to the west coast 20 years ago
M14 is a PITA to field strip, Uzi is easy as pie. AKs are easy too.
i have two memorable moments from the military when it comes to stripping down the G3 rifle
1. was when we were told to never take the actual trigger mechanism apart, and some smartass did, and *twoing* indeed, there went a little spring, and he landed himself in big trouble :]
for extra lulz we were telling him "hey, your not supposed to take it apart" and he of course went "buzz off i know what im do- Oh.. shit." "HAVE FUN MAN!"
2. a guy who did eeeverything slowly. the gas mask drill lasted a whole week cus of that one guy and him alone.
i remember watching him putting the rifle back together again, aaages after everyone were done. and i remember him unknowingly rolling a part away from himself, clumsily looking for it. and i discretely kicked it back his way, so we could for once be finished for the day, and he STILL didnt see it, i basically GAVE it back to him, and he was all "wheeere did i put it... "
some people.....
that guy actually had the most amazing singing voice :S
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This is how it looks at a Swedish shooting club. These contests are in principle compulsory if you want to keep your license, and you can see the rigid discipline. And no matter how good you are at shooting, this is the only place where you are allowed to fire a pistol. Not really like the US... :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DEBvrpSvBU
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I had a good friend how kept an Uzi on his sail boat and a M14 next to his bed :laugh: He was a lot of fun we used to go sailing when we were supposed to be at work. He moved to the west coast 20 years ago
M14 is a PITA to field strip, Uzi is easy as pie. AKs are easy too.
i have two memorable moments from the military when it comes to stripping down the G3 rifle
1. was when we were told to never take the actual trigger mechanism apart, and some smartass did, and *twoing* indeed, there went a little spring, and he landed himself in big trouble :]
for extra lulz we were telling him "hey, your not supposed to take it apart" and he of course went "buzz off i know what im do- Oh.. shit." "HAVE FUN MAN!"
2. a guy who did eeeverything slowly. the gas mask drill lasted a whole week cus of that one guy and him alone.
i remember watching him putting the rifle back together again, aaages after everyone were done. and i remember him unknowingly rolling a part away from himself, clumsily looking for it. and i discretely kicked it back his way, so we could for once be finished for the day, and he STILL didnt see it, i basically GAVE it back to him, and he was all "wheeere did i put it... "
some people.....
that guy actually had the most amazing singing voice :S
:lol: A good part of what I have learned about guns came from fucking up detail strips that I was winging it on. Most of the time I have managed to get it back together.
A week of gas mask training? We had 2 or 3 days including the tear gas chamber. I think that guy would have pissed me off.
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I had a good friend how kept an Uzi on his sail boat and a M14 next to his bed :laugh: He was a lot of fun we used to go sailing when we were supposed to be at work. He moved to the west coast 20 years ago
M14 is a PITA to field strip, Uzi is easy as pie. AKs are easy too.
i have two memorable moments from the military when it comes to stripping down the G3 rifle
1. was when we were told to never take the actual trigger mechanism apart, and some smartass did, and *twoing* indeed, there went a little spring, and he landed himself in big trouble :]
for extra lulz we were telling him "hey, your not supposed to take it apart" and he of course went "buzz off i know what im do- Oh.. shit." "HAVE FUN MAN!"
2. a guy who did eeeverything slowly. the gas mask drill lasted a whole week cus of that one guy and him alone.
i remember watching him putting the rifle back together again, aaages after everyone were done. and i remember him unknowingly rolling a part away from himself, clumsily looking for it. and i discretely kicked it back his way, so we could for once be finished for the day, and he STILL didnt see it, i basically GAVE it back to him, and he was all "wheeere did i put it... "
some people.....
that guy actually had the most amazing singing voice :S
:lol: A good part of what I have learned about guns came from fucking up detail strips that I was winging it on. Most of the time I have managed to get it back together.
A week of gas mask training? We had 2 or 3 days including the tear gas chamber. I think that guy would have pissed me off.
he tried to pull the mask over his glasses...
yes, we sighed....
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I had a good friend how kept an Uzi on his sail boat and a M14 next to his bed :laugh: He was a lot of fun we used to go sailing when we were supposed to be at work. He moved to the west coast 20 years ago
M14 is a PITA to field strip, Uzi is easy as pie. AKs are easy too.
He loved his guns and his pot which he grew in his living room. He had a whole host of other guns but those were his favorites. His wife had one on her side of the bed also I cant remember what :laugh: they lived in a rather shitty neighborhood
I love the image of his-and-hers firearms by the bed. Imagine breaking into a house in the middle of the night and being confronted by that! :headbang:
Oh, the romance is too much! :P
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:lol: A good part of what I have learned about guns came from fucking up detail strips that I was winging it on. Most of the time I have managed to get it back together.
One of my favorite pre-schooling gun fixing experiences involved a friend of mine showing up on my doorstep with a napkin containing the parts and frame of a Sig P239 that he'd taken apart by removing screws and pins at random... Took me almost 3 hours of screwing around to get it back together and in working order, plus fix the bent decocking lever that had caused him to take it apart in the first place. I learned quite a bit about the inworkings of Sigs that day, since I had to completely detail strip the gun in order to have a recognizable starting place for putting it back together; it was aggravating at the time but a good mental exercise in mechanical principals.
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My nephew is talking to his father about going to school in Pa to become a gunsmith
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I own 50 guns, I am an NRA Patron member, on the NRA Members Council of Solano County. My Members Council signed up over 700 members in 2006, our best year.
That is awesome, PPK! Seven hundred new members is a testament, indeed.
I am no longer as active, since I moved to a land that has so few places to live where you can actually walk out, shoot your rifle and have your bullet fall on land that is not inhabited by idiots who want our guns taken away from us. Indiana is kind of over-populated, in my view.
I have almost as large a "collection" as you and pretty much the same if you count all my muzzle loaders. :headbang2:
Honestly, I wish I could be more active in the community, but those days seem to have past me by, now.
You Da' MAN!
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I actually somewhat agree with zegh, some people/cultures are just too stupid to own guns.
If you had the 2nd amendment in Mesico, you'd have 10 times the blood bath that's there now. not that that would be a bad thing. ::)
Do you live in Mexico?
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To live in a world with no guns would be great :thumbup: this world is not the world in which we live, so i am gonna have
to say 'if someone else has got one, why shouldn't i have one too?'
i happen to live in a country where you could break into my house and if my dog bit you during your robbery here you could
actaually prosecute me and have my dogs destroyed!!! now that is fucked up!
Yup, and that is what you get for not shooting the bastards for breaking into your home.
Homes should be safe. It does not matter what you have to do to keep your home safe. You should be allowed to keep your home safe, period.
If I had a BIG club and came into your cave and took your food, would you not get a bigger club to keep you cave safe? What is the difference in this modern era, other than having the technology to design a machine to take the place of a primitive "club?" Then, making sure that your machine is familiar to you. The main reason that there exists such a disparity in laws surrounding gun usage is that there is a great disparity in ability to use these simple machines.
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Hello, looking for what people think about firearms, the laws controlling them ect ect... i living on an island full of pot smoking liberals.... wait sorry liberals should not be used in the same sentence as pot smoking... it offends pot smokers. any how i am wondering if the views on guns is any different of you people in the US and Canada outside of where i live. i am rather of the opinions that this guy shares http://old.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel120501.shtml also if anything i found it a good read, enjoy and please comment.
Pot smokers should not wield any kind of weaponry, without sobering up, first.
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I wish we didn't need guns for protection. I wish we would read sentences in full before saying we know what they mean.
Having said those 2 things, I don't own guns, but Prince Albert does. If I felt it necessary to own a gun, I would not hesitate to shoot an intruder who is in my house, nor someone who attempted to commit a physical offense in public. I know this deep in my heart, without reservation.
I don't currently own a gun, but my brother owns several and he's very responsible with them. I'm actually a pretty good shot and if I had a gun, I wouldn't hesitate to use it if someone was in the act of harming my daughter and I needed to protect her, whether I was at home or in public.
Good point!
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I actually somewhat agree with zegh, some people/cultures are just too stupid to own guns.
If you had the 2nd amendment in Mesico, you'd have 10 times the blood bath that's there now. not that that would be a bad thing. ::)
Do you live in Mexico?
From the use of the word 'you', I can only determine he thinks I live in Mesico.
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Schleed, i agree with you with one exception to what you say. i would extend the protection from just yourself to yourself and your loved ones. but beyond that its just interfering in someone else's business. you dont know who's right and wrong in the situation and so you should not get involved, leave it for the cops to sort it out...
Now, wait right there.
The cops should make a decision on whether to protect ourselves or not?
Where are the cops when the ACTUAL need to protect ourselves arises?
They are never there when you need them most.
Their job is to apprehend those who blatantly defy the law, outright, and bring the perpetrators to a magistrate of some sort for judgment. While this can be useful, it is this very notion that excludes them from being effective in "PREVENTING" crime.
I take it that you have never been a victim of crime?
The ability to protect oneself from an assailant is the same as a basic human right. It should NEVER be questioned.
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I actually somewhat agree with zegh, some people/cultures are just too stupid to own guns.
If you had the 2nd amendment in Mesico, you'd have 10 times the blood bath that's there now. not that that would be a bad thing. ::)
Do you live in Mexico?
From the use of the word 'you', I can only determine he thinks I live in Mesico.
He, who?
Are you actually talking to me?
I was actually talking to you.
What is mesico, then?
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If action was ever taken to deprive me of guns, I would begin killing people.
I will be right there with you!
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I actually somewhat agree with zegh, some people/cultures are just too stupid to own guns.
If you had the 2nd amendment in Mesico, you'd have 10 times the blood bath that's there now. not that that would be a bad thing. ::)
Do you live in Mexico?
From the use of the word 'you', I can only determine he thinks I live in Mesico.
He, who?
Are you actually talking to me?
I was actually talking to you.
What is mesico, then?
Didn't figure you were talking to me since I hadn't posted in this thread, except to make a joke the other day. Just making a joke about Scrap's post, which you responded to. Does that even make sense? Not sure. No worries.
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Guns make you :viking:
I think one of the reasons that the Yanks rule most of the planet is that they love guns and are so agressive. :arrr:
Better ask yourself why an honest citizen should not be allowed to own guns without restrictions and carry them everywhere. The criminals don't care about gun laws.
While you and I seldom agree ( :lol:), you have just spoken a true truth.
Criminals will always disregard the laws of the land.
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I actually somewhat agree with zegh, some people/cultures are just too stupid to own guns.
If you had the 2nd amendment in Mesico, you'd have 10 times the blood bath that's there now. not that that would be a bad thing. ::)
Do you live in Mexico?
From the use of the word 'you', I can only determine he thinks I live in Mesico.
He, who?
Are you actually talking to me?
I was actually talking to you.
What is mesico, then?
Didn't figure you were talking to me since I hadn't posted in this thread, except to make a joke the other day. Just making a joke about Scrap's post, which you responded to. Does that even make sense? Not sure. No worries.
Refresh my memory?
As much as I like Scr'eap, he and I are not that much alike.
I would love to be a part of your joke.
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Homes should be safe. It does not matter what you have to do to keep your home safe. You should be allowed to keep your home safe, period.
:agreed:
in my local paper the other day, there was a story about a mother at home with her two pre school kids, they had a family dog, a nine month old Borzoi called Mikey. The back door was open cus the mother had been painting. Two Staffordshire bull terriers got in the garden and then into the house, they came in and lunged at Mikey and literally ripped it to shreds in front of the kids and the mother who said she felt like she had to choose to protect her kids or the family dog??? Luckily for her her hubby came home before the dogs turned their attention to them but it was too late for the dog who suffered numerous injuries including a punctured lung. The story affected me. There were pics of poor Mikey. The pics were horrific, even to me, so i dread to think what goes on in those poor childrens heads at bedtime!!
My point in telling you this is if she had a gun, and used it she would be in jail now. Yes you should be allowed to keep your home safe and if that means keeping a gun you should have that option.
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Well, point here.. cowards tend to carry weapons in public.. and yeah, probably have tiny dicks too (carrying.. to compensate.. maybe?)
Can't help but always to enjoy the freudian gun analogy. They do make me feel kind of pointy.
LOlol
I seriously thought I had seen you post in this thread.
No matter, but fill me in on the joke?
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Homes should be safe. It does not matter what you have to do to keep your home safe. You should be allowed to keep your home safe, period.
:agreed:
in my local paper the other day, there was a story about a mother at home with her two pre school kids, they had a family dog, a nine month old Borzoi called Mikey. The back door was open cus the mother had been painting. Two Staffordshire bull terriers got in the garden and then into the house, they came in and lunged at Mikey and literally ripped it to shreds in front of the kids and the mother who said she felt like she had to choose to protect her kids or the family dog??? Luckily for her her hubby came home before the dogs turned their attention to them but it was too late for the dog who suffered numerous injuries including a punctured lung. The story affected me. There were pics of poor Mikey. The pics were horrific, even to me, so i dread to think what goes on in those poor childrens heads at bedtime!!
My point in telling you this is if she had a gun, and used it she would be in jail now. Yes you should be allowed to keep your home safe and if that means keeping a gun you should have that option.
That just really seems insane to me.
There is NO fucking way an assailant should have more rights to freedom than the victim of the crime the assailant commits. It should ALWAYS be OK to shoot a bastard who who attacks you. Public or private. End of story!
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I can remember being in Arizona legaly walking down the street with a .45 ACP straped to my hip in plain sight. 8)
I grew up in a place where it is NOT legal to conceal your weapon. It is fine to carry it out in the open, unless you enter a place where they sell alcohol (that is another story, you see). There is no legal way to carry a weapon concealed in Texas, last I heard. (been away for a few years, but I doubt that it has changed that much)
Anyway, I suppose I have made a point of expressing my unwavering opinion, as a law abiding American citizen.
Do not even think of breaking into my home, unless you are ready to determine if there is actually a God or not.
:headbang:
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Well, point here.. cowards tend to carry weapons in public.. and yeah, probably have tiny dicks too (carrying.. to compensate.. maybe?)
Can't help but always to enjoy the freudian gun analogy. They do make me feel kind of pointy.
LOlol
I seriously thought I had seen you post in this thread.
No matter, but fill me in on the joke?
Gun debates often result in someone equating the gun with the penis. I'm female.
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Schleed, i agree with you with one exception to what you say. i would extend the protection from just yourself to yourself and your loved ones. but beyond that its just interfering in someone else's business. you dont know who's right and wrong in the situation and so you should not get involved, leave it for the cops to sort it out...
Now, wait right there.
The cops should make a decision on whether to protect ourselves or not?
Where are the cops when the ACTUAL need to protect ourselves arises?
They are never there when you need them most.
Their job is to apprehend those who blatantly defy the law, outright, and bring the perpetrators to a magistrate of some sort for judgment. While this can be useful, it is this very notion that excludes them from being effective in "PREVENTING" crime.
I take it that you have never been a victim of crime?
The ability to protect oneself from an assailant is the same as a basic human right. It should NEVER be questioned.
my point was that one should not get involved in a situation one does not know about. if five people are beating a kid i would say you can draw and get them off if not shoot them. but if two people are fighting, stabbing or shooting at each other just dont get involved because you dont know who started it or why.
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Schleed, i agree with you with one exception to what you say. i would extend the protection from just yourself to yourself and your loved ones. but beyond that its just interfering in someone else's business. you dont know who's right and wrong in the situation and so you should not get involved, leave it for the cops to sort it out...
Now, wait right there.
The cops should make a decision on whether to protect ourselves or not?
Where are the cops when the ACTUAL need to protect ourselves arises?
They are never there when you need them most.
Their job is to apprehend those who blatantly defy the law, outright, and bring the perpetrators to a magistrate of some sort for judgment. While this can be useful, it is this very notion that excludes them from being effective in "PREVENTING" crime.
I take it that you have never been a victim of crime?
The ability to protect oneself from an assailant is the same as a basic human right. It should NEVER be questioned.
my point was that one should not get involved in a situation one does not know about. if five people are beating a kid i would say you can draw and get them off if not shoot them. but if two people are fighting, stabbing or shooting at each other just dont get involved because you dont know who started it or why.
Fine, so what if you awaken in the middle of the night to witness an altercation outside your own door?
While you may THINK you are not involved, by default (it is happening WHERE you live, FFS), you ARE involved. (OK, I am conceding that there might be a slight difference in ability between apartment dwellers and land owners - apartment dwellers go hide when the shit happens, but land owners have a tendency to actually protect what they own. I have owned land most of my life, as did many generations before me. I was raised to protect what is dear to me. A fight going on outside my door is something I can not abide. I will set things to order in MY way, THEN allow the police to take over, once they finally get there.)
No one in their right mind can possibly expect for the police, armed with multiple, powerful weapons as ours are or not, to actually "prevent" such a crime.
The police are an ineffective means at times like this. Mostly, they show up after things are already settled and mop up, often drawing wrong conclusions about what has transpired.
It is upon the land owner to take care of himself, in most cases, unless that person places full trust in the forbearance of such criminals as well as the police. In such a simple case, then that person gets, and deserves, what he is prepared to accept.
I do not. I am prepared to make my place a safe place.
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So, in my opinion, if you do not have ample means of protecting yourself and your loved ones, guns or not, then you should get yourself prepared, guns and all, and stop depending on the REST of us, who ARE prepared, to protect YOU.
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Not really a gun point here, but the thought of living in a society where everyone is responsible for their own, and their loved ones protection scares the shit out of me.
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Not sure what you mean. Who do you feel is responsible for protecting you?
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Not sure what you mean. Who do you feel is responsible for protecting you?
God?
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Not sure what you mean. Who do you feel is responsible for protecting you?
The police are responsible for protecting the public here.
If we were reponsible for our own protection, we'd be dead in no time :laugh:
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Not sure what you mean. Who do you feel is responsible for protecting you?
God?
Is that a question?
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Not sure what you mean. Who do you feel is responsible for protecting you?
The police are responsible for protecting the public here.
If we were reponsible for our own protection, we'd be dead in no time :laugh:
The police are to protect and serve here too. Guess that would suffice if one lived with me.
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Not sure what you mean. Who do you feel is responsible for protecting you?
The police are responsible for protecting the public here.
If we were reponsible for our own protection, we'd be dead in no time :laugh:
The police are to protect and serve here too. Guess that would suffice if one lived with me.
It's just that I listen to what DirtDawg and PPK say, and I get the impression that where they live the onus is on the individual to protect themselves. Where I live the onus is with the police to do it, although we are advised to take obvious precautions like locking our doors, and having burglar alarms. I can understand how that situation appeals to the people who love guns and are adept at using them, but it must be pretty scary for the people who either choose not to own a gun, or lack the ability or courage to use it well.
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Not sure what you mean. Who do you feel is responsible for protecting you?
The police are responsible for protecting the public here.
If we were reponsible for our own protection, we'd be dead in no time :laugh:
The police are to protect and serve here too. Guess that would suffice if one lived with me.
It's just that I listen to what DirtDawg and PPK say, and I get the impression that where they live the onus is on the individual to protect themselves. Where I live the onus is with the police to do it, although we are advised to take obvious precautions like locking our doors, and having burglar alarms. I can understand how that situation appeals to the people who love guns and are adept at using them, but it must be pretty scary for the people who either choose not to own a gun, or lack the ability or courage to use it well.
Here in the US, there have been some rather disturbing court decisions in which it was determined that the cops owe no responsibility in individual cases to protect people, they only have to protect society at large. So regardless of police neglect they can never be held accountable for failing to protect people from criminals.
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Schleed, i agree with you with one exception to what you say. i would extend the protection from just yourself to yourself and your loved ones. but beyond that its just interfering in someone else's business. you dont know who's right and wrong in the situation and so you should not get involved, leave it for the cops to sort it out...
Now, wait right there.
The cops should make a decision on whether to protect ourselves or not?
Where are the cops when the ACTUAL need to protect ourselves arises?
They are never there when you need them most.
Their job is to apprehend those who blatantly defy the law, outright, and bring the perpetrators to a magistrate of some sort for judgment. While this can be useful, it is this very notion that excludes them from being effective in "PREVENTING" crime.
I take it that you have never been a victim of crime?
The ability to protect oneself from an assailant is the same as a basic human right. It should NEVER be questioned.
my point was that one should not get involved in a situation one does not know about. if five people are beating a kid i would say you can draw and get them off if not shoot them. but if two people are fighting, stabbing or shooting at each other just dont get involved because you dont know who started it or why.
Fine, so what if you awaken in the middle of the night to witness an altercation outside your own door?
While you may THINK you are not involved, by default (it is happening WHERE you live, FFS), you ARE involved. (OK, I am conceding that there might be a slight difference in ability between apartment dwellers and land owners - apartment dwellers go hide when the shit happens, but land owners have a tendency to actually protect what they own. I have owned land most of my life, as did many generations before me. I was raised to protect what is dear to me. A fight going on outside my door is something I can not abide. I will set things to order in MY way, THEN allow the police to take over, once they finally get there.)
No one in their right mind can possibly expect for the police, armed with multiple, powerful weapons as ours are or not, to actually "prevent" such a crime.
The police are an ineffective means at times like this. Mostly, they show up after things are already settled and mop up, often drawing wrong conclusions about what has transpired.
It is upon the land owner to take care of himself, in most cases, unless that person places full trust in the forbearance of such criminals as well as the police. In such a simple case, then that person gets, and deserves, what he is prepared to accept.
I do not. I am prepared to make my place a safe place.
my general idea was not on home/land deffence but more walking down the street while packing situation. i see no problem if two people are fighting on your lawn to get the good ol' 12 gage out and make them either get face down in the dirt or run off while you call the cops. if they come towards you or start to draw, there on YOUR land. they are fucking with YOUR property and YOUR family. and they should be prepared to get what YOU throw at them and if they are not then it sucks to be them because they chose the place and time without thinking of the response
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Have heard of more than one occasion of police officers getting their guns and badges stolen.
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Not sure what you mean. Who do you feel is responsible for protecting you?
The police are responsible for protecting the public here.
If we were reponsible for our own protection, we'd be dead in no time :laugh:
The police are to protect and serve here too. Guess that would suffice if one lived with me.
It's just that I listen to what DirtDawg and PPK say, and I get the impression that where they live the onus is on the individual to protect themselves. Where I live the onus is with the police to do it, although we are advised to take obvious precautions like locking our doors, and having burglar alarms. I can understand how that situation appeals to the people who love guns and are adept at using them, but it must be pretty scary for the people who either choose not to own a gun, or lack the ability or courage to use it well.
Here in the US, there have been some rather disturbing court decisions in which it was determined that the cops owe no responsibility in individual cases to protect people, they only have to protect society at large. So regardless of police neglect they can never be held accountable for failing to protect people from criminals.
That's just scary. Over here the police might fail, but I'd feel more comfortable knowing that they're supposed to be protecting me, than knowing I was responsible for my own protection. Out of the 4 of us that live here, not one of us would be capable f standing up to a criminal.
It's not that I think Americans are wrong to choose to keep guns. I think it's wrong that they have to feel that they need to keep guns.
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AFAIK the police here have the same duty to provide for common defense that they do in the UK, we just also have the choice of supplementing that protection if we so choose. One common reason for doing so is that the police generally function more on an after the fact basis to apprehend and prosecute lawbreakers than they do in a protective fashion, so if you want to prevent violence from being done to you it's better to be able to protect yourself. A common aphorism in the self defense crowd is "when seconds count the police are minutes away", and though I don't like to argue from slogans it does rather succinctly explain the rationale. Even in a surveillance state like the UK, I imagine there are plenty of incidents were the police simply can not be relied upon to provide physical protection, and that's where the need for a self defense capability comes in.
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AFAIK the police here have the same duty to provide for common defense that they do in the UK, we just also have the choice of supplementing that protection if we so choose. One common reason for doing so is that the police generally function more on an after the fact basis to apprehend and prosecute lawbreakers than they do in a protective fashion, so if you want to prevent violence from being done to you it's better to be able to protect yourself. A common aphorism in the self defense crowd is "when seconds count the police are minutes away", and though I don't like to argue from slogans it does rather succinctly explain the rationale. Even in a surveillance state like the UK, I imagine there are plenty of incidents were the police simply can not be relied upon to provide physical protection, and that's where the need for a self defense capability comes in.
Of course, and I do see your logic. If I was like you, with guns and a good ability to use them I'd probably think it was a great idea if we all owned guns. I would imagine though, that any good thief would know what houses were likely to be protected by guns, and which ones weren't. That situation would leave people like me as little more than sitting ducks.
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AFAIK the police here have the same duty to provide for common defense that they do in the UK, we just also have the choice of supplementing that protection if we so choose. One common reason for doing so is that the police generally function more on an after the fact basis to apprehend and prosecute lawbreakers than they do in a protective fashion, so if you want to prevent violence from being done to you it's better to be able to protect yourself. A common aphorism in the self defense crowd is "when seconds count the police are minutes away", and though I don't like to argue from slogans it does rather succinctly explain the rationale. Even in a surveillance state like the UK, I imagine there are plenty of incidents were the police simply can not be relied upon to provide physical protection, and that's where the need for a self defense capability comes in.
Of course, and I do see your logic. If I was like you, with guns and a good ability to use them I'd probably think it was a great idea if we all owned guns. I would imagine though, that any good thief would know what houses were likely to be protected by guns, and which ones weren't. That situation would leave people like me as little more than sitting ducks.
He he, I had a visual of gumby scooter girl with a gun. :laugh:
Sorry, not making fun, just sharing a meaningless visual I had. :autism:
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Of course, and I do see your logic. If I was like you, with guns and a good ability to use them I'd probably think it was a great idea if we all owned guns. I would imagine though, that any good thief would know what houses were likely to be protected by guns, and which ones weren't. That situation would leave people like me as little more than sitting ducks.
The thing is, most criminals are not exactly professionals, and putting in the time to reconnoiter a potential target for signs of being armed is getting suspiciously close to work. The way things actually go is that burglars in particular are more afraid of armed homeowners than they are of the police, and so go out of their way to make sure they are not breaking into an occupied residence. Evidence of this has been provided both through surveys of incarcerated burglars, and by simply comparing the rates of "hot" burglaries in countries with widespread firearms ownership and those without. CCW works on a similar concept, spotting a properly concealed weapon on the street is not easy, and if street muggers start getting shot at a high enough frequency it tips the risk/reward ratio in such a way as to make the crime unappealingly dangerous.
The other interesting thing about guns as a self defense tool is that they're relatively egalitarian, they don't require great strength or years of training to utilize effectively, and render many of the traditional advantages of predatory people moot. Guns level the playing field when it comes to the use of force, so to my mind it aught to be the people most likely to be physically victimized that have the greatest stake in maintaining legal access to them.
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^^Yeah. I do agree with that. I dont think that Id have the guts to shoot someone. If we had a gun and someone broke into the house we'd all stand there shitting ourselves telling each other to shoot him, until the criminal took the gun off us :laugh: We are a bunch of cowards I must admit.
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Honestly, I do not know of a single house in this quadrant of our town (after the inception of a "neighborhood watch" program a few years ago, we have all come to know bits and pieces about each other. As a man with a mind toward defense, I can remember who has what in their homes, somewhat - their are only about one hundred homes in our quadrant/association) that is not armed with at least one gun of some sort, outside of one set of idiots who have just moved in recently from someplace along the east coast.
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Honestly, I do not know of a single house in this quadrant of our town (after the inception of a "neighborhood watch" program a few years ago, we have all come to know bits and pieces about each other. As a man with a mind toward defense, I can remember who has what in their homes, somewhat - their are only about one hundred homes in our quadrant/association) that is not armed with at least one gun of some sort, outside of one set of idiots who have just moved in recently from someplace along the east coast.
Even the little old ladies that live by themselves?
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Not really a gun point here, but the thought of living in a society where everyone is responsible for their own, and their loved ones protection scares the shit out of me.
You always are, no matter the gun laws.
How often are the cops in your bedroom to defend you, when an intruder enters it?
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Not really a gun point here, but the thought of living in a society where everyone is responsible for their own, and their loved ones protection scares the shit out of me.
You always are, no matter the gun laws.
How often are the cops in your bedroom to defend you, when an intruder enters it?
When you're living with the cop(s)?
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Yes.
In Sweden 0.3% of the population are cops. How likely is it that there is a cop in your bedroom?
But that's not the worst. The worst thing is that even if you do have a legal gun, the risk is very big that you end up in jail for shooting an intruder, even if you were literally totally unprovokedly attacked in your own bedroom in the middle of the night. People have even gone to jail here for shooting over the heads of burglars, even a 67 yo man who got a heart attack had to go to jail for a year or so for "risking" a burglar's life. :thumbdn:
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Not really a gun point here, but the thought of living in a society where everyone is responsible for their own, and their loved ones protection scares the shit out of me.
You always are, no matter the gun laws.
How often are the cops in your bedroom to defend you, when an intruder enters it?
More often than you'd imagine :eyebrows: :eyebrows: :eyebrows:
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Yes.
In Sweden 0.3% of the population are cops. How likely is it that there is a cop in your bedroom?
But that's not the worst. The worst thing is that even if you do have a legal gun, the risk is very big that you end up in jail for shooting an intruder, even if you were literally totally unprovokedly attacked in your own bedroom in the middle of the night. People have even gone to jail here for shooting over the heads of burglars, even a 67 yo man who got a heart attack had to go to jail for a year or so for "risking" a burglar's life. :thumbdn:
It is very rare that a homeowner would be charged with a crime for shooting an intruder, in most states. Some of those touchy/feely east coast states may be an exception or two, but generally, it is not considered cool to break into someone's home.
Many "Wrongful Death" civil suits are thrown out of court after finding that the dead family member was committing a felony when they were killed. Honestly, the police officer who shoots a criminal is more likely to lose their job for shooting a perpetrator than an individual protecting his home.
Forget having to face criminal charges for protecting your home, except in some very rare circumstances.
... and yes, Butt'fly, even the three little old ladies in our neighborhood are fairly capable. One is a retired Marine Captain, who still has a husband, served in Viet Nam (although, as a finance officer), one is a widow, but still quite alive and American and the only other one living alone is an old redneck, baglady looking person (but, very cool and funny) who raised three strong boys on her own. There is one new family I do not know, yet, so they are a mystery and another family from the east (trouble, mostly, if they prove true to their stereotype).
This is mostly a family neighborhood with very few elderly in the two square miles I was talking about.
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Not really a gun point here, but the thought of living in a society where everyone is responsible for their own, and their loved ones protection scares the shit out of me.
You always are, no matter the gun laws.
How often are the cops in your bedroom to defend you, when an intruder enters it?
At least Pentagram will be safe. There's always a pig in his bedroom.
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Not really a gun point here, but the thought of living in a society where everyone is responsible for their own, and their loved ones protection scares the shit out of me.
You always are, no matter the gun laws.
Tig, you have to understand that this notion of being responsible for ones self is hardly possible in any kind of monarchy. The very fact that these people have depended upon a monarch for all their protection, even food in some cases (literally for centuries upon centuries, SHIT!!), removes the the very possibility of any reasonable amount of self sufficiency.
A country set into being AND based upon the over throw of a monarchy may give those of us whose ancestors had REAL balls quite an advantage over the meek subjects of totalitarian rule. I can clearly see how these types are so dependent to this day upon the petty government dole.
Addendum: Unfortunately, these of shallow and weak character have also infiltrated my own country and they are alive and well.
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Not really a gun point here, but the thought of living in a society where everyone is responsible for their own, and their loved ones protection scares the shit out of me.
You always are, no matter the gun laws.
How often are the cops in your bedroom to defend you, when an intruder enters it?
More often than you'd imagine :eyebrows: :eyebrows: :eyebrows:
:plus: Happy to help, Miss! :police: