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Title: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 12:17:58 AM
I mark of the "In God We trust" on all my paper money with a magic marker.

Am I the only one who does this??
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Peter on November 25, 2010, 03:04:09 AM
The £10 note issued by the Bank of England has a picture of Darwin on it.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/current/security_10.htm
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Parts on November 25, 2010, 07:00:06 AM
The £10 note issued by the Bank of England has a picture of Darwin on it.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/current/security_10.htm
That could never happen here too many nutters

And no I hardly ever mark up money.  I am surprised non of the really religious groups has never objected to it being on the bill considering what they are used for an how "in god we trust" might be looked upon as a endorsement of that
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 25, 2010, 07:02:11 AM
I don't care. The only thing that bothers me, on any paper money, is an obvious bloodstain, which I do find on occasion.
I will then, while wearing vinyl gloves, bleach off the stains and wash the bills with soap and water before using them.  :police:
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Frolic_Fun on November 25, 2010, 07:41:54 AM
Doesn't that reek of insecurity by doing that? :zoinks:
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: ZEGH8578 on November 25, 2010, 08:03:52 AM
weirdos.

i never did anything to my money, why would i be messing w my money!? :S

btw, money IS stained w cocaine, i thought it was a rumor, but ive seen several confirmations from various countries, including norway.
so if anything, i'd try to get the coke back out of the money or something
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Parts on November 25, 2010, 09:45:00 AM
I got a dollar bill about two months ago with an ink bank stamp from Kathmandu Nepal
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 10:52:58 AM
I don't care. The only thing that bothers me, on any paper money, is an obvious bloodstain, which I do find on occasion.
I will then, while wearing vinyl gloves, bleach off the stains and wash the bills with soap and water before using them.  :police:

Why would you be worried about blood stains on money??
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 10:54:15 AM
Doesn't that reek of insecurity by doing that? :zoinks:

Doesn't that reek of insecurity by posting that?  :zoinks:
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 10:56:35 AM
weirdos.

i never did anything to my money, why would i be messing w my money!? :S

American money has "In God We Trust" stamped on it. At the same time, we have something called the Establishment Clause in the first amemndment to the constitution that seperates church and state.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 25, 2010, 04:44:43 PM
Doesn't that reek of insecurity by doing that? :zoinks:

I think it reeks more of germphobia!   :orly:
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 25, 2010, 04:47:10 PM
I don't care. The only thing that bothers me, on any paper money, is an obvious bloodstain, which I do find on occasion.
I will then, while wearing vinyl gloves, bleach off the stains and wash the bills with soap and water before using them.  :police:

Why would you be worried about blood stains on money??

I have a lingering OCD paranoia that even dried blood could transmit HIV or hepatitis, and I feel responsible
for eliminating that (probably quite small) risk before putting the money back into circulation.   :nerd!:
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 07:18:08 PM
I don't care. The only thing that bothers me, on any paper money, is an obvious bloodstain, which I do find on occasion.
I will then, while wearing vinyl gloves, bleach off the stains and wash the bills with soap and water before using them.  :police:

Why would you be worried about blood stains on money??

I have a lingering OCD paranoia that even dried blood could transmit HIV or hepatitis, and I feel responsible
for eliminating that (probably quite small) risk before putting the money back into circulation.   :nerd!:

The majority of blood diseases can't survive being exposed to oxygen, that's why they're transmitted through bodily fluids.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Charlotte Quin on November 25, 2010, 07:26:15 PM
I don't care. The only thing that bothers me, on any paper money, is an obvious bloodstain, which I do find on occasion.
I will then, while wearing vinyl gloves, bleach off the stains and wash the bills with soap and water before using them.  :police:

How do you wash paper money? :blonde:


I like Australia's plastic notes; very sturdy.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Icequeen on November 25, 2010, 07:30:36 PM
I don't care. The only thing that bothers me, on any paper money, is an obvious bloodstain, which I do find on occasion.
I will then, while wearing vinyl gloves, bleach off the stains and wash the bills with soap and water before using them.  :police:

How are you positive it's actually blood?  :zoinks:

Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Callaway on November 25, 2010, 08:02:54 PM
I don't care. The only thing that bothers me, on any paper money, is an obvious bloodstain, which I do find on occasion.
I will then, while wearing vinyl gloves, bleach off the stains and wash the bills with soap and water before using them.  :police:

Why would you be worried about blood stains on money??

I have a lingering OCD paranoia that even dried blood could transmit HIV or hepatitis, and I feel responsible
for eliminating that (probably quite small) risk before putting the money back into circulation.   :nerd!:

HIV wouldn't survive for minutes out of the body, but hepatitis could possibly survive being dried.

I have accidentally washed bills in my pockets before, but I have never bleached them.  How do they handle being bleached?

I don't care. The only thing that bothers me, on any paper money, is an obvious bloodstain, which I do find on occasion.
I will then, while wearing vinyl gloves, bleach off the stains and wash the bills with soap and water before using them.  :police:

How do you wash paper money? :blonde:


I like Australia's plastic notes; very sturdy.

Our paper money is made from long staple rag paper, so it is surprisingly sturdy when accidentally washed in a washing machine.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 08:13:49 PM
Can we get back on subject here? Namely how the "In god we trust" on money is an unconstitutional violation of the establishment clause.  >:(

I'm telling you peoplez, MARK OFF THE "IN GOD WE TRUST" OFF OF YOUR MONEY!!!
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Frolic_Fun on November 25, 2010, 08:28:00 PM
What is the point? Barely anyone notices it or even cares.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Callaway on November 25, 2010, 08:29:38 PM
Can we get back on subject here? Namely how the "In god we trust" on money is an unconstitutional violation of the establishment clause.  >:(

I'm telling you peoplez, MARK OFF THE "IN GOD WE TRUST" OFF OF YOUR MONEY!!!

I don't have a problem with it being on my money, so I won't be defacing any dollar bills.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 08:33:09 PM
Can we get back on subject here? Namely how the "In god we trust" on money is an unconstitutional violation of the establishment clause.  >:(

I'm telling you peoplez, MARK OFF THE "IN GOD WE TRUST" OFF OF YOUR MONEY!!!

I don't have a problem with it being on my money, so I won't be defacing any dollar bills.

If a school teacher or politician was to say that America is a Christian Nation and we are to do the bidding of the Christian God, would you have a problem with that??
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Queen Victoria on November 25, 2010, 08:34:40 PM
For the non-Americans, Amendment 1:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

IMHO "In G_d we trust," does not seem to establish "a" religion.  Religion to me includes a formal structure and belief system, which the phrase doesn't seem to do.  Now if it said "In the Baptist G_d we trust"  that would be different.

When you personally say the Pledge of Allegience do you say, "one nation under G_d" or omit the phrase?
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 08:34:54 PM
What is the point? Barely anyone notices it or even cares.

How would you know, you fucking dirty Jew.  :orly:
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Leto729 on November 25, 2010, 08:38:36 PM
Can we get back on subject here? Namely how the "In god we trust" on money is an unconstitutional violation of the establishment clause.  >:(

I'm telling you peoplez, MARK OFF THE "IN GOD WE TRUST" OFF OF YOUR MONEY!!!
  Fact Sheets: Currency & Coins

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History of 'In God We Trust'
The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania, and read:

Dear Sir: You are about to submit your annual report to the Congress respecting the affairs of the national finances.
One fact touching our currency has hitherto been seriously overlooked. I mean the recognition of the Almighty God in some form on our coins.

You are probably a Christian. What if our Republic were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation? What I propose is that instead of the goddess of liberty we shall have next inside the 13 stars a ring inscribed with the words PERPETUAL UNION; within the ring the allseeing eye, crowned with a halo; beneath this eye the American flag, bearing in its field stars equal to the number of the States united; in the folds of the bars the words GOD, LIBERTY, LAW.

This would make a beautiful coin, to which no possible citizen could object. This would relieve us from the ignominy of heathenism. This would place us openly under the Divine protection we have personally claimed. From my hearth I have felt our national shame in disowning God as not the least of our present national disasters.

To you first I address a subject that must be agitated.

As a result, Secretary Chase instructed James Pollock, Director of the Mint at Philadelphia, to prepare a motto, in a letter dated November 20, 1861:
Dear Sir: No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins.
You will cause a device to be prepared without unnecessary delay with a motto expressing in the fewest and tersest words possible this national recognition.

It was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States. This meant that the mint could make no changes without the enactment of additional legislation by the Congress. In December 1863, the Director of the Mint submitted designs for new one-cent coin, two-cent coin, and three-cent coin to Secretary Chase for approval. He proposed that upon the designs either OUR COUNTRY; OUR GOD or GOD, OUR TRUST should appear as a motto on the coins. In a letter to the Mint Director on December 9, 1863, Secretary Chase stated:
I approve your mottoes, only suggesting that on that with the Washington obverse the motto should begin with the word OUR, so as to read OUR GOD AND OUR COUNTRY. And on that with the shield, it should be changed so as to read: IN GOD WE TRUST.
The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.

Another Act of Congress passed on March 3, 1865. It allowed the Mint Director, with the Secretary's approval, to place the motto on all gold and silver coins that "shall admit the inscription thereon." Under the Act, the motto was placed on the gold double-eagle coin, the gold eagle coin, and the gold half-eagle coin. It was also placed on the silver dollar coin, the half-dollar coin and the quarter-dollar coin, and on the nickel three-cent coin beginning in 1866. Later, Congress passed the Coinage Act of February 12, 1873. It also said that the Secretary "may cause the motto IN GOD WE TRUST to be inscribed on such coins as shall admit of such motto."

The use of IN GOD WE TRUST has not been uninterrupted. The motto disappeared from the five-cent coin in 1883, and did not reappear until production of the Jefferson nickel began in 1938. Since 1938, all United States coins bear the inscription. Later, the motto was found missing from the new design of the double-eagle gold coin and the eagle gold coin shortly after they appeared in 1907. In response to a general demand, Congress ordered it restored, and the Act of May 18, 1908, made it mandatory on all coins upon which it had previously appeared. IN GOD WE TRUST was not mandatory on the one-cent coin and five-cent coin. It could be placed on them by the Secretary or the Mint Director with the Secretary's approval.

The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908.

A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) was converting to the dry intaglio printing process. During this conversion, it gradually included IN GOD WE TRUST in the back design of all classes and denominations of currency.

As a part of a comprehensive modernization program the BEP successfully developed and installed new high-speed rotary intaglio printing presses in 1957. These allowed BEP to print currency by the dry intaglio process, 32 notes to the sheet. One-dollar silver certificates were the first denomination printed on the new high-speed presses. They included IN GOD WE TRUST as part of the reverse design as BEP adopted new dies according to the law. The motto also appeared on one-dollar silver certificates of the 1957-A and 1957-B series.

BEP prints United States paper currency by an intaglio process from engraved plates. It was necessary, therefore, to engrave the motto into the printing plates as a part of the basic engraved design to give it the prominence it deserved.

One-dollar silver certificates series 1935, 1935-A, 1935-B, 1935-C, 1935-D, 1935-E, 1935-F, 1935-G, and 1935-H were all printed on the older flat-bed presses by the wet intaglio process. P.L. 84-140 recognized that an enormous expense would be associated with immediately replacing the costly printing plates. The law allowed BEP to gradually convert to the inclusion of IN GOD WE TRUST on the currency. Accordingly, the motto is not found on series 1935-E and 1935-F one-dollar notes. By September 1961, IN GOD WE TRUST had been added to the back design of the Series 1935-G notes. Some early printings of this series do not bear the motto. IN GOD WE TRUST appears on all series 1935-H one-dollar silver certificates.

Below is a listing by denomination of the first production and delivery dates for currency bearing IN GOD WE TRUST:

DENOMINATION PRODUCTION DELIVERY
$1 Federal Reserve Note February 12, 1964 March 11, 1964
$5 United States Note January 23, 1964 March 2, 1964
$5 Federal Reserve Note July 31, 1964 September 16, 1964
$10 Federal Reserve Note February 24, 1964 April 24, 1964
$20 Federal Reserve Note October 7, 1964 October 7, 1964
$50 Federal Reserve Note August 24, 1966 September 28, 1966
$100 Federal Reserve Note August 18, 1966 September 27, 1966
   
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Distribution of Currency & Coins
 
History of "In God We Trust"
 
History of the Lincoln Cent
 
Indian Head Cent
 
Manufacturing Process for U.S. Coins
 
Mint and Other Coin Production Facilities
 
Preparation of Working Dies from Original Coin Designs
 

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FAQs about Currency
 
FAQs about Coins
 
FAQs about Tours of Treasury Facilities
 
 
   
   
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: "couldbecousin" on November 25, 2010, 08:38:45 PM
I don't care. The only thing that bothers me, on any paper money, is an obvious bloodstain, which I do find on occasion.
I will then, while wearing vinyl gloves, bleach off the stains and wash the bills with soap and water before using them.  :police:

Why would you be worried about blood stains on money??

I have a lingering OCD paranoia that even dried blood could transmit HIV or hepatitis, and I feel responsible
for eliminating that (probably quite small) risk before putting the money back into circulation.   :nerd!:

HIV wouldn't survive for minutes out of the body, but hepatitis could possibly survive being dried.

I have accidentally washed bills in my pockets before, but I have never bleached them.  How do they handle being bleached?

I don't care. The only thing that bothers me, on any paper money, is an obvious bloodstain, which I do find on occasion.
I will then, while wearing vinyl gloves, bleach off the stains and wash the bills with soap and water before using them.  :police:

How do you wash paper money? :blonde:


I like Australia's plastic notes; very sturdy.

Our paper money is made from long staple rag paper, so it is surprisingly sturdy when accidentally washed in a washing machine.

A drop or two of bleach, applied with a cotton swab, just removes the stain without doing much to the rest of the bill.


And yes, paper money washed in a washing machine comes out really nice, especially if it goes through the dryer as well!  On one episode of
How Clean Is Your House,  cleaning experts Kim and Aggie laundered a big batch of bills they found lying around forgotten in a filthy apartment.
Turned out, the apartment-dweller had hoarded  $3,000  amid her clutter!   :toporly:
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Frolic_Fun on November 25, 2010, 08:39:37 PM
What is the point? Barely anyone notices it or even cares.

How would you know, you fucking dirty Jew.  :orly:

I still don't think defacing money is going to change anything though. If anything, people will just think you're an annoying cunt. :dunno:

I'd personally rather spend the money than worry if half the bloody bible is on it.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Leto729 on November 25, 2010, 08:45:31 PM
As I see it, it genric does not use a formal name or anything so it could be anyones god.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 08:46:10 PM
For the non-Americans, Amendment 1:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

IMHO "In G_d we trust," does not seem to establish "a" religion.  Religion to me includes a formal structure and belief system, which the phrase doesn't seem to do.  Now if it said "In the Baptist G_d we trust"  that would be different.

You've neglected to include the Supreme Court Decisions that clarify what "respecting an establishment of religion" legaly means. In god we trust, infers Abrahamic monotheism. Since there are many Hindus and Bhuddists in this country now, that's a bit of an insult to them isn't it??

The phrase that Thomas Jefferson wrote "Seperation of Church and State" has been incorporated into what the Supreme Court defines as the seperation clause. That means that the gov. must remain strictly neutral in matters of religion. "In god we trust" is an endorsement of monotheism.  :police:

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When you personally say the Pledge of Allegience do you say, "one nation under G_d" or omit the phrase?

I omit the phrase. It never should've been added in there in the 50's.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Callaway on November 25, 2010, 08:46:56 PM
Can we get back on subject here? Namely how the "In god we trust" on money is an unconstitutional violation of the establishment clause.  >:(

I'm telling you peoplez, MARK OFF THE "IN GOD WE TRUST" OFF OF YOUR MONEY!!!

I don't have a problem with it being on my money, so I won't be defacing any dollar bills.

If a school teacher or politician was to say that America is a Christian Nation and we are to do the bidding of the Christian God, would you have a problem with that??

This is in the Declaration of Independence:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

What's next, are you going to propose removing all mention of a Creator from that as well?
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 08:48:21 PM
As I see it, it genric does not use a formal name or anything so it could be anyones god.

Yes, but it DOES imply monotheism.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Frolic_Fun on November 25, 2010, 08:51:24 PM
 :yawn:
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Callaway on November 25, 2010, 09:14:33 PM
For the non-Americans, Amendment 1:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

IMHO "In G_d we trust," does not seem to establish "a" religion.  Religion to me includes a formal structure and belief system, which the phrase doesn't seem to do.  Now if it said "In the Baptist G_d we trust"  that would be different.

I agree with your reasoning.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 25, 2010, 09:20:02 PM
If a school teacher or politician was to say that America is a Christian Nation and we are to do the bidding of the Christian God, would you have a problem with that??

This is in the Declaration of Independence:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

What's next, are you going to propose removing all mention of a Creator from that as well?

The Declaration of Independence isn't a doccument concerned with establishing the powers of government. It merely declared independence from the British Crown. At the time of it's writing, America was governed by the Continental Congress. The Constitution supercedes anything writen prior. The Supreme Court decisions regarding the interpretation of the establishment clause are the law of the land.  :police: I'm just enfocing them when the Federal Reserve won't.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: 'Butterflies' on November 25, 2010, 09:38:36 PM
If a school teacher or politician was to say that America is a Christian Nation and we are to do the bidding of the Christian God, would you have a problem with that??

This is in the Declaration of Independence:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

What's next, are you going to propose removing all mention of a Creator from that as well?

The Declaration of Independence isn't a doccument concerned with establishing the powers of government. It merely declared independence from the British Crown. At the time of it's writing, America was governed by the Continental Congress. The Constitution supercedes anything writen prior. The Supreme Court decisions regarding the interpretation of the establishment clause are the law of the land.  :police: I'm just enfocing them when the Federal Reserve won't.

You truly are a beacon of rectitude ;)
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Leto729 on November 25, 2010, 10:13:01 PM
MODERN CHALLENGES TO THE MOTTO’S USE

Since 1955, all the United States coins and currency have carried the motto "In God We Trust." Not until 1970 and 1978 were the laws authorizing its use legally challenged. Responding to atheist Madalyn Murray O"Hair’s charge, the court rejected her argument that the phrase, "In God We Trust," violated the First Amendment. The court cited remarks about the motto made by Justice William Brennan in his concurring opinion in Abingdon v. Schempp, (the case which struck down school Bible reading) stating:

It is not that the use of these four words (In God We Trust) can be dismissed as ‘de minimis’… The truth is that we have simply interwoven the motto so deeply into the fabric of our civil policy that its present use may well not present that type of involvement which the First Amendment prohibits."

The United States Supreme Court refused to hear her appeal.

Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 26, 2010, 12:20:56 PM
Can we get back on subject here? Namely how the "In god we trust" on money is an unconstitutional violation of the establishment clause.  >:(

I'm telling you peoplez, MARK OFF THE "IN GOD WE TRUST" OFF OF YOUR MONEY!!!

I don't have a problem with it being on my money, so I won't be defacing any dollar bills.

If a school teacher or politician was to say that America is a Christian Nation and we are to do the bidding of the Christian God, would you have a problem with that??

This is in the Declaration of Independence:

Quote
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

What's next, are you going to propose removing all mention of a Creator from that as well?

BTW, you never answered my question.  :P
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 26, 2010, 12:24:21 PM
MODERN CHALLENGES TO THE MOTTO’S USE

Since 1955, all the United States coins and currency have carried the motto "In God We Trust." Not until 1970 and 1978 were the laws authorizing its use legally challenged. Responding to atheist Madalyn Murray O"Hair’s charge, the court rejected her argument that the phrase, "In God We Trust," violated the First Amendment. The court cited remarks about the motto made by Justice William Brennan in his concurring opinion in Abingdon v. Schempp, (the case which struck down school Bible reading) stating:

It is not that the use of these four words (In God We Trust) can be dismissed as ‘de minimis’… The truth is that we have simply interwoven the motto so deeply into the fabric of our civil policy that its present use may well not present that type of involvement which the First Amendment prohibits."

The United States Supreme Court refused to hear her appeal.

The Supreme Court probably realized what a pissweak argument the Federal Judge made. His argument can be broken down into: "We've gotten away with this for enough time that it's OK for us to continue getting away with it."

Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 26, 2010, 12:30:08 PM
For the non-Americans, Amendment 1:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

IMHO "In G_d we trust," does not seem to establish "a" religion.  Religion to me includes a formal structure and belief system, which the phrase doesn't seem to do.  Now if it said "In the Baptist G_d we trust"  that would be different.

I agree with your reasoning.

Neither of you really thought this one through. In Western culture, the word "god" is used interchangibly with the Abrahamic god "Yahweh". The courts have played a semantical sleight of hand here. They interpret "god" in the generic sense, when the people who put it there quite clearly intended it to mean "Yahweh". It was a sneaky way to get Judeo-Christian monotheism under then nose of the Constitution. It's a prime Orwellian example of language as propoganda.
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: richard on November 27, 2010, 11:36:19 AM
ok i love money. I really dont care what is written on them  >:D
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Queen Victoria on November 27, 2010, 01:50:23 PM
If you don't like what's printed on the bills send them to me and I'll send back some Confederate currency.  LOL
Title: Re: Fixing dollar bills
Post by: Scrapheap on November 27, 2010, 02:10:43 PM
If you don't like what's printed on the bills send them to me and I'll send back some Confederate currency.  LOL

 :lol: