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Politics, Mature and taboo => Political Pundits => Topic started by: Adam on November 01, 2010, 06:46:10 PM
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Should we operate on babies who are neither conventionally male or female? How should they be raised and when should they be told about their sexx?
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I think they should have a DNA test and the parents should decide what would be best for them if they are babies.
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I think they should have a DNA test and the parents should decide what would be best for them if they are babies.
That's backfired in many cases, and the kids grow up resenting their parents.
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^ That is the problem
I dont think it's a risk that parents/doctors should take, although I know they have good intentions and can see where they are coming from.
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Bringing out the big guns, eh? Have no idea. Will think on this one, but will say surgery seems a bad idea as a first reflex.
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I agree. Chances are you will get it wrong.
I can see why parents would be quick to want to do that thouhg, as it probably does look like a solution and a way of giving your kid a "normal" life
not a risk worth taking tho, IMO
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I don't think the babies actually had DNA tests in the past, it was more often just something like the doctor telling the parents, since their genetically male baby had a micropenis, he would be better off being raised as a girl rather than as a man who would never be able to satisfy a woman or something stupid like that. I think they even told parents their genetic son would be better off raised as a girl if the doctor screwed up their son's circumcision.
I see the other side, but parents have to make tough medical choices for their babies all the time. If medical decisions were removed from parents' hands, then in whose hands would they be left?
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Parents should be able to make medical choices if their kid is ill or his life is at risk, but this isn't really a medical issue. Well, it is, but not in a sense that he could die if they don't operate etc. It should be left till the kid is old enough to make a decision about who they are themselves imo
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Parents should be able to make medical choices if their kid is ill or his life is at risk, but this isn't really a medical issue. Well, it is, but not in a sense that he could die if they don't operate etc. It should be left till the kid is old enough to make a decision about who they are themselves imo
Would you suggest that the parents wait for their son to decide for himself once he's an adult if he has something non-life threatening like a cleft palate or cleft lip?
If not then what is so magical about him being born with something wrong with his penis?
What if the baby has something like Hypospadias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypospadias)?
Does he have to spend his whole childhood peeing sitting down while his parents twiddle their thumbs waiting for him to grow up so he can decide for himself?
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And what if "he" is actually a "she"?
Fixing a cleft palate or cleft lip has no risk. Making a kid a certain sex when they're not sure which gender he will be definitely is a risk. Very different
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If it was a baby of mine, then I would let it be what it was. Time will tell what the kid wants.
A kid comes the way it comes. And deserves love for what it is.
Healthreasons are OK for parents to decide on operating.
Gender, no, so personal, and so pervasive, not the parent's to decide.
If the outward gender is not clear, chances are that the mental gender is not clearly defined by DNA either.
And what if the DNA is not clear?
The kid may be OK with being an inbetween gender person as an adult too.
Would be good if the kids got a hormonal break at puberty, if they need more time to think on what they want to be.
Some kids will know really early though. Just like some kids know really early they have the wrong sex.
A three year old intersex kid that knows he is a he, has the right to get a penis I think.
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All I have to offer is that one of my children were considered very small, not on the growth chart and we were offered growth hormones after a long array of tests to see if there was a problem with my child's pituarary gland, hence restricting growth.
We had the choice to inject our child on a daily basis to obtain a 'normal' height, over time. Back then, the hormone was extracted from pigs pituatary glands. But we had a dilemma of having a very short child, or a 'normal' child if we chose synthetic hormonal injections.
We chose not to interfere. My logical basis was...well, what if that child wanted to grow up and have always wanted to be a jockey?
As it turns out, our child grew to be taller than both myself and my ex husband.
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Healthreasons are OK for parents to decide on operating.
Gender, no, so personal, and so pervasive, not the parent's to decide.
:agreed:
Who wants to risk fucking their kid's life up any more ? :-\
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not really related but this is sad... why would someone not want a dog because of that?? :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11522483
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If it was a baby of mine, then I would let it be what it was. Time will tell what the kid wants.
A kid comes the way it comes. And deserves love for what it is.
Healthreasons are OK for parents to decide on operating.
Gender, no, so personal, and so pervasive, not the parent's to decide.
If the outward gender is not clear, chances are that the mental gender is not clearly defined by DNA either.
And what if the DNA is not clear?
The kid may be OK with being an inbetween gender person as an adult too.
Would be good if the kids got a hormonal break at puberty, if they need more time to think on what they want to be.
Some kids will know really early though. Just like some kids know really early they have the wrong sex.
A three year old intersex kid that knows he is a he, has the right to get a penis I think.
:agreed: on everything but not sure if I agree on the last bit. To go through the surgery at 3. That part becomes a bit murky for me. I think I would wait until the child was older.
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not really related but this is sad... why would someone not want a dog because of that?? :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11522483
no one thinks this is sad? :(
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I didn't read the link until just now. I think that speaks volumes about society as a whole. "Oh look...you're so sweet! Wait, you're not 'normal'?" ::)
I'd take her home in a heartbeat. Who cares if she's male/female or a little cocktail (mix of both) ;)
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not really related but this is sad... why would someone not want a dog because of that?? :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11522483
no one thinks this is sad? :(
:zombiefuck:
There was no medical problem with the dog so why. I'd worry about people who looked that closely at my dog in that way that they would notice fucking pervs
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not really related but this is sad... why would someone not want a dog because of that?? :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11522483
no one thinks this is sad? :(
If my husband and daughter weren't both allergic to dogs, I would have totally taken Georgie home with me and the fact that its gender was mixed would have been interesting more than anything else. It's not like I was going to really want puppies anyway.
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not really related but this is sad... why would someone not want a dog because of that?? :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11522483
no one thinks this is sad? :(
Sometimes go through phases of link paranoia. Am going through one at the moment and have been missing lots of stuff; lots of links posted here lately.
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it's just a news article about an intersex dog who's had an operation to make her female because people didnt want to adopt a dog with both male and female sex
i'll cope and paste
Manchester Dogs' Home operates on hermaphrodite dog
Georgie Georgie has been at Manchester Dogs' Home since mid-August
A hermaphrodite dog has undergone surgery to make her female and boost the chances of her finding a new home.
Manchester Dogs' Home said the condition was putting people off homing Georgie, a stray Staffordshire bull terrier cross.
Manager Lisa Graham said: "Georgie received a lot of interest but when people found out she had both male and female organs they backed away."
Now Georgie has had her male organs removed they are hoping to re-home her.
Manchester Dogs' Home, based in Harpurhey, met the costs of the operation but wanted to do the procedure once the dog was settled in a home.
'Soft and sweet'
"We told people we were happy to fund it but they still weren't interested," said Mrs Graham.
"She is a very soft and sweet dog and would make a lovely pet."
The manager of the charity said Georgie, who has been at the kennels since mid-August and is believed to be aged between one and two, had "recovered well" from surgery.
She said hermaphrodite dogs were "very rare, especially in cross breeds".
Mike Venables, the vet who performed the surgery on Georgia last month, has only come across one other case of the condition in more than 30 years.
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Yes, sad. They should have published the unwanted dog's story before the surgery. Bet someone would have taken it in.
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Oh, and thanks for the copy and paste.
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How fucked up can people get?
Next thing will be shooting gay swans.
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There's gay swans? Seriously?
If I have not entertained the masses here with my gay cat story, let me know and I'll tell it. :laugh:
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Seriously. There are gay torks too btw. Swans and Storks do pair up for long term relationships.
And, according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals) there are a lot more species where gay sexuality happens.
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I used to grow grass and it was really common to have a plant that was hermphphrodite. You could breed it with itself :green: