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Arena for the Competitive => Main Event Callouts => Topic started by: Peter on September 20, 2006, 11:33:34 AM

Title: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Peter on September 20, 2006, 11:33:34 AM
http://www.stimmy.net/aspietrash/viewtopic.php?t=74
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: odeon on September 20, 2006, 11:40:33 AM
Good grief, doesn't he have a hobby or something... ::)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 20, 2006, 11:41:58 AM
i think the hobby is dunc!
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 20, 2006, 01:18:35 PM
He was working on a response to this earlier when the electric went so he lost it all- he hasn't had time to start again since cos the kids have been home.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Callaway on September 20, 2006, 01:19:56 PM
If RobertN wants to call out Dunc, there is a perfectly fine call-out forum here, where they are both members:

http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php?board=16.0

Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Pyraxis on September 20, 2006, 01:43:01 PM
... which Dunc is the webmaster of. Paranoid or not, RobertN has a point. Better though to fight on neutral ground, not on a site where RobertN is a mod.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: duncvis on September 20, 2006, 05:18:01 PM
FOR THE ATTENTION OF ROBERTN

Right then, time to set the record straight. Firstly, apologies for lateness - I was halfway through a response this morning when the sodding electric went, so I havent had chance to do this til now. As this is the first civil comment you have directed at me since before the comrade speaks, I'll be happy to address the questions, with no jabs - I've no intention of entering into another row with you, cos I'll be damned if I do, and damned if I don't. I won't be posting this on Aspie Trash though, as I have no intention of joining.

Quote from: RobertN
I want to find out why he hates me so much.

First point - I don't actually hate you Robert. Certain things you say drive me nuts, and occasionally I'm inclined to comment. It isn't intended as bullying, just an expression of a short fuse, virtually no tact, and a tendency to be extremely blunt. That doesn't make me a thug - just an aspie, although with a very different set of challenges and life experiences to you. In hindsight it isn't surprising I appear to have wounded your pride - that wasn't my intent, and I apologise if my comments upset you.

Quote from: RobertN
I would like to first of all correct his unfair charactor assassinations of me - firstly, that I am a "little mommas boy" and secondly that I am a "champagne socialist".
 
 Firstly, my parents are not rich. My Mum separated from my real Dad ten years ago and we (my mum, brother and myself) lived in "respectable" poverty until she remarried. I got £10 pocket money a month (which is very low by today's standards) and if I was lucky I got a one week holiday each year in Somerset. This luxurious and pampered lifestyle that Dunc seems to image I had (and am still having) is coming out of his arse. 
 The fact that I went to private schools is merely coincidental. I started off at age five in a bog standard state school, but I didn't like it (yes I was bullied). So I then went to a local, cheap private primary school. From then on I did very well academically, always at the top of the class in virtually every subject. As the years went on (and my real Dad got better jobs), I went to more expensive private schools, which were very keen to have me due to my intelligence. Then my parents' divorce occurred when I was in a preparatory school in Cambridge. My parents couldn't continue to pay the fees, but the Headmaster said I could stay for next to nothing. From then on it was my intellect rather than my parents' pocket that has kept me in the private school system.
 
I hope that goes to de-spell some of these myths that have grown up about me.

On one level, the class issue is a red herring Robert. I was already aware from some of your previous posts elsewhere that you were not brought up swimming in money. The 'champagne socialist' crack wasn't one of mine, but I will say that digs of that nature only came into play after your own classist remarks, i.e. 'tramp', 'street rat', etc etc. - so it was pretty much a natural response to the irony of such snobbish remarks coming from an avowed socialist.

I don't even have a problem with the majority of middle class people, just people who think they get to look down on me. My best friend IRL (other than PI, obviously) is a nice, polite, well brought up, middle class lad from York (and much piss we've taken out of him, lol) - and he's a fucking star, I love him like a brother.

Regarding the mummy's boy stuff. Again, not the least offensive way I could have made my point - but here's the thing. Would you consider that you have had a sheltered upbringing? Regardless of who was paying, you were in the private school system; the comments in your posts suggest that there are many things you haven't yet seen, or done, or felt for yourself, or have been directly affected by; and how many opportunities have you had since finishing school to experience life a little? I'm not trying to provoke you here - just asking the question, as this is the impression you project to others, and is the reason some people seem to feel that it was unfair of me to treat you as I would another adult who was having a go at me. My comments to you about this, (and those Praetor made in similar vein on Aspie Village) were intended to encourage you to have a look at aspects of yourself that you have trouble with, and to broaden your experiences/outlook on life - and look at what you CAN do to improve your social skills - despite the bluntness, my intention was to make you think. Not to make you think I hated you, who you are and what you stand for.

Quote from: RobertN
As for the champagne socialist thing Dunc, I am claiming Incapacity Benefit just like you probably are. If the government decided to collapse the Welfare State tomorrow, I would be as badly hit as you would be. I am in no way "protected" from the Outside World any more than you are.

As regards champagne socialist, I've just covered that bit above.

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As regards my comments about you getting a job instead of screwing over vulnerable aspies, that was intended to highlight the fact that I do have a legitimate reason for living off the State (although I am sure I won't be forever), whereas you clearly have the social skills and practical skills to get a job. I could be wrong though. If there are no jobs in your area, then perhaps that was an unfair comment. I am willing to admit that even I can be mistaken sometimes.

Two comments on this bit - first one - I haven't screwed anybody over, vulnerable or otherwise. The idea that I am some manipulative, evil dictator is a myth - I understand Kevv has explained the actual level of my involvement at Intensity behind the scenes.

Secondly, you're sure you won't be on benefits forever - good. This ties in with what I was trying to get across to you earlier in my reply - life is fucking hard. The more you learn to cope with, including opinionated fuckers like me, the easier its going to be to cope out there. The best of luck with that, sincerely.

I also have a legitimate reason for being on benefits, and I'm glad you recognised that there are circumstances in which your assumption I don't would be unfair.

Since you were willing to share some of your history, I'll do the same.

My social skills are not great, but well practiced, in as much as I've had thirty years to build up schemas of how to approach different situations, rote responses to questions, planning likely conversations in my head, social situations which are now familiar through repetition. Outside this framework, my social commonsense is pretty much nonexistent. Office politics? Fitting in, and being able to conform to someone else's routine, policies, values/way of doing things? Forget it.
Its been suggested by some that I can't be significantly affected by AS because I got married and had kids. Yeah, I ended up in a relationship - which was sheer dumb luck - being in the right place at the right time - if I hadn't chanced on someone (who was also very drunk) who had as many social issues and character quirks as I have, I'd likely still be single. Even with another (probable) aspie its been a fucking steep learning curve, and I've fallen off a few times.

Practical skills are a bit of a sore point. Currently, there is no place for me in the local job market, and various factors make it difficult for me to hold down jobs. I went through a dozen jobs after I left school and college (I left school at 16 because I hated it, then discovered I hated every crappy job I had as well and figured I might be able to be a slightly better treated wage slave if I got A levels and enrolled the following year at the local community college, where I got decent grades in Politics, Philosophy and Sociology) and got screwed in every one of them, winding up unemployed long term, with a wife and baby to support - so I went to University as a mature student. After incurring severe debts working for my degree, I found myself repeatedly rejected for graduate level positions because my social skills were not good enough, I wound up after a few more failed accounting and sales jobs stuck in a crappy call centre for a 'sub-premium' finance company, taking abusive, desperate calls from people whose lives were as fucked up as mine was. Around this time my son was diagnosed with Aspergers, and it clicked that I was on the spectrum myself - the walls started closing in on me at this point, and the stress of the job, the sensory overload and exhaustion from having to deal with people all day, and harassment from my department manager, I became clinically depressed and eventually had a nervous breakdown. I haven't held down a job since, in almost three years.

Computing appears to be the way forward for me, most likely self-employed, but I don't yet have enough skills to sell. So at the moment, here I stay.

I hope that addresses your reasons for the callout - if you want to clear anything else up, you know where to find me.

dunc
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Peter on September 20, 2006, 05:26:50 PM
I've suggested to Robert that you both post your replies on your respective sites, and that you both only visit the other site to read replies.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 20, 2006, 06:39:07 PM
wow, never realised how big this was...
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: duncvis on September 21, 2006, 12:30:12 PM
FOR THE ATTENTION OF ROBERTN

Quote from: RobertN
OK, Dunc - I accept what you are saying.

I apologise for any comments I may have made about "tramps" or "street rats". I know some tramps in Cambridge actually, they are very nice guys, but I digress.....

It was a cheap shot on my part, I will admit that.

Apology accepted. :)

Quote from: RobertN
However, I don't think I can ever trust you again, Dunc. For a start, you have too much power on too many sites, and I naturally don't like people who have too much influence. I like to think that if people don't like the admins or bosses on one site they can go to another site. But if the same person is either a mod, admin, webmaster on many different AS sites, it is pretty discerncerting for the ordinary aspie who has had a fallout.

Fair enough - you can't force people to trust you, but its a pisser when people start coming up with bizarre conspiracy theories, and attributing self interest and malice to your motives. I sometimes wonder why I bother offering to help out - I certainly don't need the hassle.

By the way, the only AS sites (excluding The Drivel) in which I am on staff other than being webmaster at Intensity are The Wronged (which I would be, since I started it and built the site) - and OTS, where I offered to be a mod when it launched in February to help out Mockingbird and Ghotistix, as they were trying to get it going and are friends of mine, so I was happy to give them my support. When the mudslinging (mainly from Ascan's direction as usual) started, I offered several times to step down as mod to save them the hassle, so it should be obvious I'm not seeking power - honestly Robert, its not a positive thing.

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Understand Dunc, it is not just you I am talking about. I have been reading all the election talk on Intensity over the past few days, and it is the same old people who are running. I know you take the piss, but the aspie-elite "myth" is very true. There is an elite of some kind, and it is these same set of people that are running (or helping to run) most of the aspie sites except fringe sites such as AspieTrash. At least on Intensity it is relatively democratic to a certain extent. On other sites, the boss just appoints their buddies to admin and mod positions.

I take the piss because it isn't true. The aspie elite conspiracy is a product of Ascan's fevered imagination. There is no power elite - some people pop up on more than one forum as they get involved - giving something back in communities they feel invested in, perhaps? I can't speak for or ascertain motives for their accepting a role on staff, but then neither can anyone else.. And yeah, mods etc should be appointed on merit - level headed, etc - it isn't always the case, but it has been where I've had a hand in the picking.

Regarding the elections. I must point out that nobody has nominated themselves - other members have asked them to run (even McJagger, though he chose to run for mediator instead of admin). Those who have been nominated are mostly the regular posters, which is hardly surprising since they are known better - its hard to have enough information to form a judgement about someone if they don't post much.

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I mean, what good has Odeon ever done for the world, except bully people, flirt endlessly with Lucifer, and suck other admin's arses. I am convinced that now he has put himself forward, he is going to get in - for what exactly? Being popular? Sucking Arses? He already partly controls OTS, now he wants Intensity as well. What about Lucifer, does she want the same? In the end it is just a band of yourself, Lucifer, and Odeon controlling large swaths of the aspie realms. I don't find that encouraging.

To my knowledge, Lucifer isn't on staff anywhere, anymore. She also turned down the nomination for mediator. My own involvement I've mentioned - my work here and as a mod on OTS - a couple of minnows in the aspie site pond - hardly huge swathes of influence. As regards Odeon, I'm sure he loves you too. ;) I'm not in anyone's band by the way - I'm an Independent.

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I appreciate you may be saying things with the aim of helping me. However, I go to a proper support group IRL where they have trained staff and social workers to help the aspies that attend. There is a whole range of abilities present, and a whole range of different problems. Dunc, you are not qualified in that area and neither is anyone on Intensity. So you are not in the best position to tell me what I should or shouldn't be doing with my life.

This principle extends to the whole of Intensity actually. I will not be returning there because I disagree with the fundamental ideas of the site and how it aims to "help" people.

No problem, I just wanted you to be clear on where I was coming from. I hope you find your sessions helpful. And I have no problem with you disagreeing with the principles of the site - if Intensity isn't for you thats fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion.

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It may help some people, depending on their personality, but one man's salvation is another man's ruin, and it certainly doesn't suit me.

I agree with this comment completely. I can see that it hasn't suited you Robert, and it should have been made clear from day one IMO - Intensity won't suit everyone. I don't think it suits you either, at least from a help/challenge perspective, and I had grave doubts when you joined. I hope you find somewhere more to your liking.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Silk on September 21, 2006, 12:36:30 PM
wow, never realised how big this was...

It's not. It is something to read when activity is down.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 21, 2006, 12:48:36 PM
Indeed Sorceress. ;D

Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2006, 01:21:10 PM
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I appreciate you may be saying things with the aim of helping me. However, I go to a proper support group IRL where they have trained staff and social workers to help the aspies that attend. There is a whole range of abilities present, and a whole range of different problems. Dunc, you are not qualified in that area and neither is anyone on Intensity.

wrong, actually, cos i am.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 01:24:41 PM
Since I know RobertN is reading this thread, I'll defend myself here if that's OK.

First of all, I did NOT nominate myself as an admin here. No one of the candidates did, as far as I'm aware. They were all suggested by other members.

Second, I don't "partly control OTS". I'm a moderator there, true, but I adhere strictly to the OTS Rules. Ascan made a similar accusation some time ago (at OTS) so I suggested him to log a formal complaint. He did not, which to me indicates that even Ascan knew that his accusations weren't true.

Mostly, I simply post at OTS, reply to posts, check and approve an occasional article or link submitted to us, and answer questions from other members through PM. If you believe that is the same as "controlling part of OTS", I really don't know what to say except that you are delusional, paranoid, or both.

Third, I didn't know it is a bad thing to be "popular" or liked by other members. I guess I must stop the silly politeness and courtesy I tend to extend to people sucking up to me with more of the same.

Fourth, is it bullying to refuse accepting bullshit from anyone, be that an admin (Omega and Eamonn come to mind but there are others--read WP, why don't you?) or a member (Flo comes to mind; Flo, whom I tried to help through PM before this whole thing started, only to be met by vitriol concerning my dx and more)? In that case, OK, sure, I'm a bully.

But isn't that what Intensity is all about? Isn't it about enabling us all, isn't it about truth and honesty?

Fifth, as for what good I've ever done to this world, that is up to others to decide. My involvement here and at OTS (and Gestalt, but I suppose you don't read it?) is mostly a matter of public record. Decide for yourself, but stop the unsubstantiated bullshit.

Oh, and Dunc's right. I love you, too.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 21, 2006, 02:02:16 PM
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Fourth, is it bullying to refuse accepting bullshit from anyone, be that an admin (Omega and Eamonn come to mind but there are others--read WP, why don't you?) or a member (Flo comes to mind; Flo, whom I tried to help through PM before this whole thing started, only to be met by vitriol concerning my dx and more)? In that case, OK, sure, I'm a bully.

um, what about me?

Fourth, is it bullying to refuse accepting bullshit from anyone, be that an admin (Omega, McJagger and Eamonn come to mind but there are others--read WP, why don't you?) or a member (Flo comes to mind; Flo, whom I tried to help through PM before this whole thing started, only to be met by vitriol concerning my dx and more)? In that case, OK, sure, I'm a bully.


now that's better!
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 02:17:15 PM
I guess I should have mentioned you, McJ. They were only examples, though.  :-\
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Leto729 on September 21, 2006, 02:28:03 PM
Good grief, doesn't he have a hobby or something... ::)
He does need a hobby for sure.
i think the hobby is dunc!
It sure does look this way.

RobertN I think this has really gone a bit to far in the end.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: odeon on September 21, 2006, 02:33:42 PM
Well, Robert knows where to find me.  ::)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 21, 2006, 08:34:31 PM
I wont even waste my breath defending anything the silly little boy or his "sweeties" fuck buddy or ex fuck buddy has said regarding me on the aspietrash threads (apt name for the site though judging by the threads i was alerted to by someone here.) ;D since im aware of how messed up Roberts head is and how poor his judgement is, there is no point in addressing someone who cant see the forest for the trees, not just because he cant, but because hes in denial and refuses to.

They're bitching threads there are actually rather funny, it can be hysterical to read some of the things that have been written and observe their tedious and pathetic but sometimes just as hilarious sessions, Robert seems to be a tad obsessed, he definetly does need to find himself a life and a new hobby, however if his current one works for him and helps him with his self esteem issues etc then good for him.

Even though i found it all childish and comedy entertainment value, i was told off for laughing and made perfectly clear by someone i know who is in the legal field and was talking to yesterday (discussing an opportunity with and having a laugh with at the aspie trash threads i was linked to etc) that i shouldnt find it ALL funny as certain comments shouldnt be taken so lightly, joked about or encouraged, and if personal details of certain individuals could be found, which may not be too hard, depending, they could indeed be incited. (Even though there are apparently other methods and resources for dealing with it, which even though i tried to weasle those out of him, he just grinned and kept quiet regarding. I thought i could crack him with the flutter of my eyelashes or even "the look" but he had nerves of steel and i didnt want to push my luck considering he was already doing me a favour in regards to something else). ;D

Peter was named as having reasonable grounds to have RobertN incited in the UK, calling someone a paedo etc without having proof beyond reasonable doubt would not be taken lightly apparently, certain comments that were made would be deemed highly offensive and libel (poss even slanderous if he repeats them offline) with the intention of causing harm to ones character. Even though the law can be sketchy in the area of electronic harrassment, defamation and abuses, he has witnessed successful cases regarding similar issues and there are loopholes in the law for being succesful in hauling someone over the coals in some way or such, aslong as there are reasonable grounds.

Personally i do agree with a few things that were said regarding peters porn web links (he himself was aware of my opinion at the actual time which i made clear again lastnight when he brought it up via msn regarding a thread at aspietrash, i even made my stance public again in Jizz's thread) but i would not refer to someone as being a paedo without having more information and a reasonable amount of proof to back up my opinions/claims. If i honestly believed someone was of that nature and/or a danger to children or others i would alert the relevant authorities/people to investigate rather than jump to conclusions and make that type of judgement straight away for myself without more detailed information/investigation and/or substantial proof etc. There are certain things you should be careful about saying and certain labels you should be very careful and wary of handing out. Mud does indeed stick, you can have your opinions and speculate but you still need to be careful in regards to what you say when dealing with such sensitive topics especially if you dont have the proof necessary as there could be big consequences for both parties including when it comes to their reputations (the consequences are much bigger for the other person if you are indeed wrong).

Hey i was thinking...maybe Purposeful could get Robert into knitting. ;D

I think the key is to not pay much attention to what is said by Robert and his bitching buddies because we all know whats going on there, well most of us can read between the lines. Its all silly and very immature, especially the directing certain people to intensity to sign up in order to retreive "certain information" to relay back, which he apparently got huffy about when one person began to like it here and wouldnt give him what he wanted, but i must admit it is oh so funny. The callouts always crack me up inside too even though part of me does get embarassed for him.

I wouldnt get too bothered by it Odeon and dont let it put you off running for admin either, dont fuck up my list!.  ;) :)

By the way as you can tell, given im posting in this thread im bored as fuck tonight, give it another hour and i will wake up tommorrow regretting sending filthy txts and x-rated photos to the guy i had been seeing. :laugh:

Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: odeon on September 22, 2006, 12:57:33 AM
I wouldnt get too bothered by it Odeon and dont let it put you off running for admin either, dont fuck up my list!.  ;) :)

I'm not that bothered, and Robert cannot make me change my mind about anything. What sort of bothers me is how he can't see that he's being used.

Anyway, thanks for the vote of confidence, HG! ;D
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 22, 2006, 01:18:46 AM
why dont you guys just stop talking about him and at the same time get back at him by just not getting antagonised by him...

incidentally i was watching that program on ITV last night called "I Smack and I'm Proud", and there was a lady on it who said that if you smack your child, its because they are so young that they wont connect the smacking with a misdemeanour they caused...

so obviously in the same case here, verbally smacking him after he's made a 'BooBoo' obviously aint the right way to *ahem* go about it...

what people used to do to me to get me to understand this point in college was just ignore me, then after a while they'd sit down and say, well we've been ignoring you for so and so long, why do you think we did etc and i learned...

what do u think ?
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 22, 2006, 05:34:33 AM
why dont you guys just stop talking about him and at the same time get back at him by just not getting antagonised by him...

incidentally i was watching that program on ITV last night called "I Smack and I'm Proud", and there was a lady on it who said that if you smack your child, its because they are so young that they wont connect the smacking with a misdemeanour they caused...

so obviously in the same case here, verbally smacking him after he's made a 'BooBoo' obviously aint the right way to *ahem* go about it...

what people used to do to me to get me to understand this point in college was just ignore me, then after a while they'd sit down and say, well we've been ignoring you for so and so long, why do you think we did etc and i learned...

what do u think ?

excellent idea, but i for one wonder if i have the patience to do it.
it would require control, i doubt i have that ability.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 22, 2006, 05:58:40 AM
then you must exercise caution young genin ;D

think of it as a personal patience-no-jutsu 8)

and try not to get too mad... or like this...
(http://www.saiyanisland.com/naruto/media/1/Naruto_0179.gif)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 22, 2006, 06:13:31 AM
then you must exercise caution young genin ;D

think of it as a personal patience-no-jutsu 8)

and try not to get too mad... or like this...
(http://www.saiyanisland.com/naruto/media/1/Naruto_0179.gif)
thats my problem, i have red chakkra in me.  i really cannot control it yet.
BELIEVE IT!
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 22, 2006, 06:22:42 AM
dude FFS does it look remotely RED.... (ok its one of the colours in the combo)...


FFS ITS ORANGE MOFO
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 22, 2006, 06:37:31 AM
dude FFS does it look remotely RED.... (ok its one of the colours in the combo)...


FFS ITS ORANGE MOFO

but they say in the show that they have never seen red chakkra before.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 22, 2006, 07:41:55 AM
yea well the japanese are ALL color blind so who cares ;D
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 22, 2006, 10:50:14 AM
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I'm not that bothered, and Robert cannot make me change my mind about anything. What sort of bothers me is how he can't see that he's being used.

You obviously know some of the same things as me then. I agree with that odeon.

His naivety and "not wanting to see the truth" is frustrating because he does seem sweet in his own way and is trying to fight for something hes being fooled into believing is real, but me trying to open his eyes was why he developed holding a grudge for me and im aware of that, some people just cant handle the truth especially in relation to being told theyve been fucked over by someone and are being used and treated like a joke behind the scenes.  So good luck to him, hes made his decisions, divisions etc and hes gonna have a hard fall at some point, but when he does hes gonna have to accept the consequences of the decisions he made and things hes said just like proper adults do. I just hope when the time comes when he sees whats been hidden from him and the like that things dont take too big a toll on him and hes able to get up from that fall since such betrayals can be too hard for some to deal with.

I understand where hes coming from in the sense of why hes lashing out etc even though i know hes wrong and hes handled himself badily etc, i dont hate him or anything remotely like that (which i think he may assume) i just find him stupid and lacking initiative or common sense, even reality etc in the sense of there are things in front of him he refuses to see, some which genuine people have tried to tell him so he doesnt keep getting taken the piss out of and used, but even though hes clutching straws and lashing out at the board, certain members, holding grudges etc, i imagine deep down himself he probably has suspicions somewhere that some of us here were indeed right about certain things, he just doesnt want to believe them and is trying to cling on to the hope its wrong.

As for the vote of confidence, no problem Odeon. ;)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Peter on September 22, 2006, 12:22:27 PM
I wont even waste my breath defending anything the silly little boy or his "sweeties" fuck buddy or ex fuck buddy has said regarding me on the aspietrash threads (apt name for the site though judging by the threads i was alerted to by someone here.) ;D since im aware of how messed up Roberts head is and how poor his judgement is, there is no point in addressing someone who cant see the forest for the trees, not just because he cant, but because hes in denial and refuses to.

They're bitching threads there are actually rather funny, it can be hysterical to read some of the things that have been written and observe their tedious and pathetic but sometimes just as hilarious sessions, Robert seems to be a tad obsessed, he definetly does need to find himself a life and a new hobby, however if his current one works for him and helps him with his self esteem issues etc then good for him.

Even though i found it all childish and comedy entertainment value, i was told off for laughing and made perfectly clear by someone i know who is in the legal field and was talking to yesterday (discussing an opportunity with and having a laugh with at the aspie trash threads i was linked to etc) that i shouldnt find it ALL funny as certain comments shouldnt be taken so lightly, joked about or encouraged, and if personal details of certain individuals could be found, which may not be too hard, depending, they could indeed be incited. (Even though there are apparently other methods and resources for dealing with it, which even though i tried to weasle those out of him, he just grinned and kept quiet regarding. I thought i could crack him with the flutter of my eyelashes or even "the look" but he had nerves of steel and i didnt want to push my luck considering he was already doing me a favour in regards to something else). ;D

Peter was named as having reasonable grounds to have RobertN incited in the UK, calling someone a paedo etc without having proof beyond reasonable doubt would not be taken lightly apparently, certain comments that were made would be deemed highly offensive and libel (poss even slanderous if he repeats them offline) with the intention of causing harm to ones character. Even though the law can be sketchy in the area of electronic harrassment, defamation and abuses, he has witnessed successful cases regarding similar issues and there are loopholes in the law for being succesful in hauling someone over the coals in some way or such, aslong as there are reasonable grounds.

Personally i do agree with a few things that were said regarding peters porn web links (he himself was aware of my opinion at the actual time which i made clear again lastnight when he brought it up via msn regarding a thread at aspietrash, i even made my stance public again in Jizz's thread) but i would not refer to someone as being a paedo without having more information and a reasonable amount of proof to back up my opinions/claims. If i honestly believed someone was of that nature and/or a danger to children or others i would alert the relevant authorities/people to investigate rather than jump to conclusions and make that type of judgement straight away for myself without more detailed information/investigation and/or substantial proof etc. There are certain things you should be careful about saying and certain labels you should be very careful and wary of handing out. Mud does indeed stick, you can have your opinions and speculate but you still need to be careful in regards to what you say when dealing with such sensitive topics especially if you dont have the proof necessary as there could be big consequences for both parties including when it comes to their reputations (the consequences are much bigger for the other person if you are indeed wrong).

Hey i was thinking...maybe Purposeful could get Robert into knitting. ;D

I think the key is to not pay much attention to what is said by Robert and his bitching buddies because we all know whats going on there, well most of us can read between the lines. Its all silly and very immature, especially the directing certain people to intensity to sign up in order to retreive "certain information" to relay back, which he apparently got huffy about when one person began to like it here and wouldnt give him what he wanted, but i must admit it is oh so funny. The callouts always crack me up inside too even though part of me does get embarassed for him.

I wouldnt get too bothered by it Odeon and dont let it put you off running for admin either, dont fuck up my list!.  ;) :)

By the way as you can tell, given im posting in this thread im bored as fuck tonight, give it another hour and i will wake up tommorrow regretting sending filthy txts and x-rated photos to the guy i had been seeing. :laugh:



http://www.stimmy.net/aspietrash/viewtopic.php?t=77
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 22, 2006, 01:24:19 PM
I think he will find he has no grounds to sue me for libel, or bring a lawsuit against me in general, i dont see how he would be fruitful legally regarding the site for that matter either, my friend was more interested in the way aspietrash conducted itself in relation to certain threads (which was why he mentioned a few legal things regarding certain comments, and other options for dealing with them and sites).

Saying someone is "messed up in the head" or my other opinions which i worded carefully and did my best to dilute are not considered reasonable grounds for libel, even if i had said "RobertN is mentally ill" (when he could prove with the help of a psychiatrist etc he wasnt, and he didnt do anything to give me the assumption he was, which i didnt say in that context anyways) that still wouldnt hold anywhere near the same legal implications as calling someone a paedophile even though it may be considered libel depending on the background and why it was said, what made me come to that conclusion etc, it would be down to the interpretation and discretion of the judge holding the case if he/she thought there were reasonable grounds to allow the case to be heard in his/her court in the first place. Also in relation to me commenting on Robert being messed up, if there were reasonable grounds (which i know for a fact there isnt) then it still wouldnt prove fruitful since Roberts behaviour and comments have done him no favour (here and especially aspietrash) so it would be considered likely that someone may develop the opinion that he is indeed "messed up" as it is apparent he has issues. There would be many a defence to use.

I think i will stick to the opinion of a successful barrister from the high court who has been in the profession for years, with the right associates, experience and knowledge regarding legal rules, statutes (how to apply them) and cases, thank you Robert. :laugh:

You obviously no nothing of my financial status either. ;D

I dont think theres any need to keep informing us of the bitching threads at aspie trash Peter except for amusement when we are bored, we all know the rubbish that gets written there, it isnt all that interesting or impactable is it, its the same old same old, and only really worth reading when theres nothing else to read and the days going a bit slow and uneventful. :P
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Peter on September 22, 2006, 01:28:31 PM
I dont think theres any need to keep informing us of the bitching threads at aspie trash Peter except for amusement when we are bored, we all know the rubbish that gets written there, it isnt all that interesting or impactable is it, its the same old same old, and only really worth reading when theres nothing else to read and the days going a bit slow and uneventful. :P

What's your point?  ;)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 22, 2006, 01:35:40 PM
i think she means ... does anyone really care ???

think about that whilst i set my legs on fire with toilet paper and lighter fluid 8)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 22, 2006, 01:36:43 PM
I think Peter was using sarcasm Tom. ;)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 22, 2006, 01:43:56 PM
well i didnt really set my legs on fire, so guess what...

I think I was using sarcasm HG ;D
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 22, 2006, 01:50:22 PM
What? you really didnt set fire to your legs? Thats so wrong, teasing a girl like that, getting her hopes up. ;)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 22, 2006, 01:56:32 PM
hey i've done it before, got a tape of it somewhere, from 2 years ago at uni when i had a rather strange LSD experience ;D
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2006, 03:14:30 PM
oh, legs is baby stuff - try your head, cos that's when it gets interesting.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 22, 2006, 06:40:18 PM
lol. ;D

+1 for Lucifer.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 22, 2006, 06:45:38 PM
tried it, this was the result (even tho i am smiling it still hurt like fuck)

(http://pic.piczo.com/img/i55701085_95789_2.jpg)

8)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 22, 2006, 07:04:08 PM
You lie! that pics from when you decided you wanted to become a buddhist monk, but they told you to ditch the pussy beard, which you couldnt bring yourself to do (hence the look on your face) so you ran for the hills and decided to audition for a part in the sound of music instead or just be an anime fan (same dif). ;)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 01:57:10 AM
beard? 

oh, i didn't realise it was a beard.  i thought he'd developed a technique for giving someone a hollywood with his chin.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 07:09:31 AM
what is a hollywood?
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 23, 2006, 09:32:22 AM
Quote
what is a hollywood?
:laugh:

The enemy of the Brazilian. ;)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:20:44 PM
what is a brazillian?
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:22:52 PM
Donald Rumsfeld is briefing president Bush: “Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed.”

“Oh no!” exclaims the president, “that’s terrible!”

His staff is stunned at this unprecedented display of emotion, watching as Bush sits, head in hands.

Finally, he looks up and asks, “How many is a brazillion?”


(definition on next page).
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:24:16 PM
(i am wisely informed that a brazilian is a bikini wax leaving just a thin strip of hair down the middle, whereas a hollywood is removing the lot.  as both sound completely barbaric to me, i can't speak from experience).
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:25:29 PM
Donald Rumsfeld is briefing president Bush: “Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed.”

“Oh no!” exclaims the president, “that’s terrible!”

His staff is stunned at this unprecedented display of emotion, watching as Bush sits, head in hands.

Finally, he looks up and asks, “How many is a brazillion?”


(definition on next page).
its a zillion kajillion, i think.

i have to wait 50 minutes before plussing you again, Lucifer.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 12:26:17 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_wax
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:26:28 PM
don't worry, mcj - i'll remind you.  ;)

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 12:27:55 PM
I had to yay you for the pm you sent me  :laugh:  You made it to the truly evil 100 club  >:D
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:28:58 PM
i am lagging, even though i have shown at least a brazillian quality posts.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 12:29:56 PM
i am lagging, even though i have shown at least a brazillian quality posts.

That's cos you were keeping your karma at 69 for ages- I can't applaud you just yet though I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:31:28 PM
I had to yay you for the pm you sent me  :laugh:  You made it to the truly evil 100 club  >:D

oh frabjous day, callooh, callay!

 ;D :laugh:

(http://www.smileyparadies.de/smilies/devil/teu42.gif)

any bit in particular?  oh i bet i know which bit, pmsl!  ;)

(PM me, cos i'm dying to know!)

i am lagging, even though i have shown at least a brazillian quality posts.

yes, but perhaps you've made a brazilian +1 really fucking pants post, mcj.  :P
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:32:13 PM
will someone remind me later to plus lulu cypher, because i have to leave in 10 to ref another game.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:33:40 PM
Lulu Cypher!

+1 to you!  hahahahaha!

ViviLulu.   :-*
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 23, 2006, 12:34:42 PM
why the hell u reffing a game at 8PM innit a bit dark eh ?
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:34:56 PM
what cunt has stolen my karma already[/i? 

you sad bastard.   >:(
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 12:35:33 PM
what cunt has stolen my karma already[/i? 

you sad bastard.   >:(

I'll sort them out for you   >:D
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 23, 2006, 12:36:01 PM
who... what ???
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:36:17 PM
ta, PI.

see?  i have bodyguards, you know, you dickless monstrosity.  :P
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:36:45 PM
hurrah!  it's back.  who did that?   :-*
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 12:37:11 PM
why the hell u reffing a game at 8PM innit a bit dark eh ?

oh, i forgot.

you brits have yet to learn of electricity and the lightbulb.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: purposefulinsanity on September 23, 2006, 12:37:19 PM
hurrah!  it's back.  who did that?   :-*

I have my ways  ;)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 23, 2006, 12:47:56 PM
ooooh sorry Lucifer, i admit it was me... i was jealous i am sorry

forgive me ?
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 12:49:19 PM
you smit me, or you yayed me?
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on September 23, 2006, 12:53:17 PM
i ghey'd u sorry, i was jealous, so cos i was jealous WHY THE FUCFK WOULD I INCREASE IT fool ?

anyway sorry
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 01:45:20 PM
i ghey'd u sorry, i was jealous, so cos i was jealous WHY THE FUCFK WOULD I INCREASE IT fool ?

it's "FUCK", dear.  without the extra "F".  so who's the fool?  :P

don't worry, i'm not - after all, you're the one who has to live with the bitter and insidious worm of jealousy creeping through your guts and gnawing at the very heart of you for the rest of your days, and beyond, yea unto the very seventh generation.

 :angel:
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 02:19:21 PM
i ghey'd u sorry, i was jealous, so cos i was jealous WHY THE FUCFK WOULD I INCREASE IT fool ?

it's "FUCK", dear.  without the extra "F".  so who's the fool?  :P

don't worry, i'm not - after all, you're the one who has to live with the bitter and insidious worm of jealousy creeping through your guts and gnawing at the very heart of you for the rest of your days, and beyond, yea unto the very seventh generation.

 :angel:

yes its the worm from mescal that you have to worry about.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 02:20:19 PM
i haven't drunk tequila for ages.  not since i saw "Dune", anyway...

;)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: odeon on September 23, 2006, 02:30:49 PM
"Dune" is such a bad picture, though.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 02:56:37 PM
absolutely dreadful.  i loved it. lol.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: odeon on September 23, 2006, 02:58:33 PM
The book is bad, too. Frank Herbert couldn't write.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 03:20:35 PM
true.  i loved all the books, too.  except when they got majorly philosophical and i couldn't work out what the fuck he was on about.  the last couple were more or less impenetrable, in places.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: odeon on September 23, 2006, 03:22:09 PM
You LOVED them? I couldn't get past the first two, I think. They're as bad as Lord of the Rings, for goodness sake.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2006, 03:22:52 PM
escapism is a survival tactic for me, and has been for as long as i can remember.  i'm not very good at the real world, at times.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: odeon on September 23, 2006, 03:28:30 PM
I have no problems with escapism. I have problems with badly written books.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 07:01:54 PM
i have been partially banned from aspie trash.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Draggon on September 23, 2006, 07:14:34 PM
The book is bad, too. Frank Herbert couldn't write.
uh, wtf??
Dune is a fucking classic dude
I found the 2nd (Dune Messiah) to be pretty boring though
didn't read the rest
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 23, 2006, 07:19:52 PM
Hmm they must do things different at the upmarket salons here, since a Brazilian is completely hairless, and the Hollywood has a fishfinger landing strip. ;)

My bro actually asked me the same question the other week, "whats a Brazilian, because this lassie told me and my mates she was up for it tonight since shed just got a Brazilian". I replied with it means you guys wont just be banging a slapper but youll be banging a slapper that looks like a very red plucked chicken. Him being as thick as he is, i had to draw a diagram with little labels and stuff. ::)

Back to what you were saying folks. ;D


Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 23, 2006, 08:41:57 PM
i am thick also, will you draw a pic for me?
or you can snap a pic, i am not picky. ;)
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Hypnotica_Gaze on September 23, 2006, 09:50:37 PM
Ive ran out of felt pens.  ;)

Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: McGiver on September 24, 2006, 06:05:45 AM
ok then, you may snap a pic, i won't be complaining.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Randy on September 30, 2006, 12:23:36 PM
no more fealing like I am high, that lasted 15 minutes I guess...

Now back on topic...

You two grow up!
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: BadgerTom on October 03, 2006, 07:59:22 PM
or get a room :P

meh scratch that u probably have already and still need more (councilling) :P
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Scrapheap on October 26, 2006, 01:13:06 AM
I feel like postwhoring here for some odd reason.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Callaway on October 26, 2006, 01:33:47 AM
Hmm they must do things different at the upmarket salons here, since a Brazilian is completely hairless, and the Hollywood has a fishfinger landing strip. ;)

My bro actually asked me the same question the other week, "whats a Brazilian, because this lassie told me and my mates she was up for it tonight since shed just got a Brazilian". I replied with it means you guys wont just be banging a slapper but youll be banging a slapper that looks like a very red plucked chicken. Him being as thick as he is, i had to draw a diagram with little labels and stuff. ::)

Back to what you were saying folks. ;D


Link to Brazilian wax information, just in case there is something you didn't cover with your little brother, Hypnotica Gaze:

http://www.mypleasure.com/features/bulletins/17.asp

I actually found this quite some time ago, but I forgot to post it.  Thanks, Scrapheap, for reminding me.

Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Scrapheap on October 26, 2006, 08:21:32 AM
Hmm they must do things different at the upmarket salons here, since a Brazilian is completely hairless, and the Hollywood has a fishfinger landing strip. ;)

My bro actually asked me the same question the other week, "whats a Brazilian, because this lassie told me and my mates she was up for it tonight since shed just got a Brazilian". I replied with it means you guys wont just be banging a slapper but youll be banging a slapper that looks like a very red plucked chicken. Him being as thick as he is, i had to draw a diagram with little labels and stuff. ::)

Back to what you were saying folks. ;D


Link to Brazilian wax information, just in case there is something you didn't cover with your little brother, Hypnotica Gaze:

http://www.mypleasure.com/features/bulletins/17.asp

I actually found this quite some time ago, but I forgot to post it.  Thanks, Scrapheap, for reminding me.



When/how did I remind you??
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Callaway on October 26, 2006, 09:15:11 AM
You posted this, Scrapheap, and it reminded me.  Thanks again.

I feel like postwhoring here for some odd reason.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Leto729 on October 26, 2006, 11:46:17 AM
I feel like postwhoring here for some odd reason.
Me too.
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Scrapheap on October 26, 2006, 06:54:30 PM
You posted this, Scrapheap, and it reminded me.  Thanks again.

I feel like postwhoring here for some odd reason.

LMAO!! Anything I can do to help!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Leto729 on October 26, 2006, 07:01:15 PM
I have post My 94th post so far today. Post Whoring Heaven Today. ;D
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Scrapheap on October 26, 2006, 07:34:49 PM
I have post My 94th post so far today. Post Whoring Heaven Today. ;D
  How does your ass feel??   :green: :green: :green:
Title: Re: Robert's called you, Dunc
Post by: Leto729 on October 26, 2006, 10:08:44 PM
I have post My 94th post so far today. Post Whoring Heaven Today. ;D
  How does your ass feel??   :green: :green: :green:
It feels fine but My back is killing Me though.