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Title: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: DukeNukem on May 05, 2010, 06:34:18 PM
This game which came out recently, called "Virtual City", is a bunch of crap. Instead of being a blatant rip off of SimCity, Virtual City instead decides to come up with its own fucked up ideas on how a "city" is supposed to be run. First of all, you're not the "mayor", you are the boss of a transport company (called Virtual City Transport Co., duh!) who is practically the mayor for whatever city one of the game's boring and frustrating scenarios throws at you. The idea is, you build factories, assign a bunch of trucks to move cargo from one to the other, as part of a supply chain, where at the end of the supply chain, the product is made and you assign another truck to deliver it to a mall (Yes, bosses of transport companies build and own all of the factories and stores they deliver to, according to the fucktards that made this "game" ::) )

You can also build houses, parks, fire stations (but no police stations because there is no such thing as crime, apparently ::) ), hospitals, theaters... well, that's pretty much the extent of what you can build. No schools (probably because whoever came up with this shit didn't go to school), no skycrapers (the only good thing about SimCity), no bridges or tunnels (you are only allowed to rebuild them from rubbish), no terraforming, but hey... There's a recycling center! Only in certain scenarios do you get to "rebuild" an airport, marina, or a train station.

There are two modes: A campaign mode (50 shitty missions) and a sandbox mode (shitbox more like). There is only one real character in the game who is your advisor, just another female character for you to masturbate to. The graphics are your typical casual game fare: Uninspired cartoony 2D graphics, obviously drawn by those who "learned" art at a community college. While the game is boring, there are times people get diseased, buildings catch on fire, trucks break down, but they aren't really urgent. A building can keep on burning for a million years without losing any of its structural integrity.

Did I say this game rips off SimCity? It also rips off another great game, Transport Tycoon.

But is this free? NO! These fucktards want you to pay them 20 dollars for this shitty "casual" game!

Virtual City is a typical casual game and SimCity ripoff that isn't even close to being a real game, much less a city sim. Games like this makes me hate "casual games" and "casual gamers", because they are a shoddy excuse for developers to develop a bunch of bland as fuck games for easy money... Hey, that sounds just like most of the gaming industry, actually. Well, my point is, this "game" is shit, don't play it, Google "OpenTTD" instead for a much better game for free (that it rips off).
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Osensitive1 on May 05, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
Had to look twice at the name on this thread. Almost wish gaming was of interest to contribute.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: "couldbecousin" on May 05, 2010, 07:30:54 PM
All this stuff is over my head. I'll stick with Chinese checkers! 8)
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Phlexor on May 05, 2010, 07:43:35 PM
Here's a clue, don't buy shitty games.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: DukeNukem on May 05, 2010, 08:11:56 PM
Here's a clue: I played the demo.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Phlexor on May 05, 2010, 08:19:02 PM
Got what you paid for then I guess.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Scrapheap on May 05, 2010, 09:23:11 PM
There's a term for people who play casual games: Oxygen thieves!  :LOL:
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Post by: Gluey on May 05, 2010, 10:52:38 PM
lol oxygen thieves.

That game sounds so lame. I like the sims for a while than I got bored and locked my sim in a small room with no doors or windows and nothing in it.
It pissed itself to death!
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: RageBeoulve on May 06, 2010, 08:40:56 AM
Hey fellas. It takes all kinds. Not saying I actually agree with the idea of casual gaming though.

I used to troll second life pretty hardcore. :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: on May 06, 2010, 09:48:01 AM
Fuckin' casuals.

I like my games to punch me in the gut and knee me in the balls, damnit - Dwarf Fortress, ArmA, Flashpoint and so on. Fuck this regenerating health bollocks that that cancer Halo made popular.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: RageBeoulve on May 06, 2010, 10:13:07 AM
Fuckin' casuals.

I like my games to punch me in the gut and knee me in the balls, damnit - Dwarf Fortress, ArmA, Flashpoint and so on. Fuck this regenerating health bollocks that that cancer Halo made popular.
I dunno in some games regenerating health makes sense, but I think I see what you mean.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Gluey on May 06, 2010, 12:55:09 PM
My grandma plays those facebook games like Farmville and stuff but shes a grandma and she's aloud to.
I got off of farmville months ago and got back to the usual, elder scrolls, diablo 2 borderlands, and camping in the kitchen in Modern Warfare while making imaginary sammitches.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: ProfessorFarnsworth on May 06, 2010, 08:48:31 PM
Fuckin' casuals.

I like my games to punch me in the gut and knee me in the balls, damnit - Dwarf Fortress, ArmA, Flashpoint and so on. Fuck this regenerating health bollocks that that cancer Halo made popular.

The Left 4 Dead games definitely do that on harder difficulties, especially when the AI director is having a bad day. I swear it's sentient and it hates you.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Mr Smith on May 07, 2010, 02:35:24 AM
This game which came out recently, called "Virtual City", is a bunch of crap. Instead of being a blatant rip off of SimCity, Virtual City instead decides to come up with its own fucked up ideas on how a "city" is supposed to be run. First of all, you're not the "mayor", you are the boss of a transport company (called Virtual City Transport Co., duh!) who is practically the mayor for whatever city one of the game's boring and frustrating scenarios throws at you. The idea is, you build factories, assign a bunch of trucks to move cargo from one to the other, as part of a supply chain, where at the end of the supply chain, the product is made and you assign another truck to deliver it to a mall (Yes, bosses of transport companies build and own all of the factories and stores they deliver to, according to the fucktards that made this "game" ::) )

You can also build houses, parks, fire stations (but no police stations because there is no such thing as crime, apparently ::) ), hospitals, theaters... well, that's pretty much the extent of what you can build. No schools (probably because whoever came up with this shit didn't go to school), no skycrapers (the only good thing about SimCity), no bridges or tunnels (you are only allowed to rebuild them from rubbish), no terraforming, but hey... There's a recycling center! Only in certain scenarios do you get to "rebuild" an airport, marina, or a train station.

There are two modes: A campaign mode (50 shitty missions) and a sandbox mode (shitbox more like). There is only one real character in the game who is your advisor, just another female character for you to masturbate to. The graphics are your typical casual game fare: Uninspired cartoony 2D graphics, obviously drawn by those who "learned" art at a community college. While the game is boring, there are times people get diseased, buildings catch on fire, trucks break down, but they aren't really urgent. A building can keep on burning for a million years without losing any of its structural integrity.

Did I say this game rips off SimCity? It also rips off another great game, Transport Tycoon.

But is this free? NO! These fucktards want you to pay them 20 dollars for this shitty "casual" game!

Virtual City is a typical casual game and SimCity ripoff that isn't even close to being a real game, much less a city sim. Games like this makes me hate "casual games" and "casual gamers", because they are a shoddy excuse for developers to develop a bunch of bland as fuck games for easy money... Hey, that sounds just like most of the gaming industry, actually. Well, my point is, this "game" is shit, don't play it, Google "OpenTTD" instead for a much better game for free (that it rips off).

Jesus Christ. No-ones forcing you to play rubbish games.

You seem to care enough about this game to make this review thread of it. Why? If it's rubbish, stop playing it and find something that isn't. Yeah, I don't like most of the games nintendo releases now day, but I don't play them. There are some gems in there still aimed at oldskool gamers.

Most of the people here probably have never heard of this game before you brought it up, let alone need to be "warned" not to buy it. I work for a game developer and Yeah, developers make lower quality games for money, but thats the way the world works. GTFO it and go outside.

I am an old skool gamer. But I don't think i'm better than other gamers because I like more "gamer" targeted games. Let the general population have its fun, you don't have to be a part of it or bitter about it.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Mr Smith on May 07, 2010, 02:38:28 AM
Here's a clue: I played the demo.

And you're STILL bitching about something you didn't pay for?

What the fuck

Go to anger management or something.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Phlexor on May 07, 2010, 05:42:54 AM
It's not about casual games or hardcore games, its about shit games vs good games.
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Post by: on May 07, 2010, 07:14:31 AM
Fuckin' casuals.

I like my games to punch me in the gut and knee me in the balls, damnit - Dwarf Fortress, ArmA, Flashpoint and so on. Fuck this regenerating health bollocks that that cancer Halo made popular.

The Left 4 Dead games definitely do that on harder difficulties, especially when the AI director is having a bad day. I swear it's sentient and it hates you.

Yeah, on Expert it's damn nigh impossible. That's the way I like it ; :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Mr Smith on May 07, 2010, 11:54:43 AM
It's not about casual games or hardcore games, its about shit games vs good games.

Same thing really, for many.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Phlexor on May 07, 2010, 02:27:25 PM
It's not about casual games or hardcore games, its about shit games vs good games.

Same thing really, for many.

Gamers that hate casual or party games are just gamers who have no friends. How is that the games fault?
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Mr Smith on May 07, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
It's not about casual games or hardcore games, its about shit games vs good games.

Same thing really, for many.

Gamers that hate casual or party games are just gamers who have no friends. How is that the games fault?

What makes you come to that conclusion? I've played several party games with friends and theres no way in hell I would buy them.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: DukeNukem on May 07, 2010, 04:03:37 PM
It's not about casual games or hardcore games, its about shit games vs good games.

Same thing really, for many.

Gamers that hate casual or party games are just gamers who have no friends. How is that the games fault?

The game sucks 9 times out of 10, genius.

Has there ever been a "good" game that has been tagged as "Casual"? No. There isn't. It's just a marketing ploy for boring, uncreative drivel marketed for adults who could care less about video games in the first place.

Party games are not any better. Most are shovelware made for MOAR money on the Wii.

A lot of the companies that makes this crap never makes good games and never will. They are just in it for the money!
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Post by: on May 07, 2010, 04:47:11 PM
It's not about casual games or hardcore games, its about shit games vs good games.

Same thing really, for many.

Gamers that hate casual or party games are just gamers who have no friends. How is that the games fault?

The game sucks 9 times out of 10, genius.

Has there ever been a "good" game that has been tagged as "Casual"? No. There isn't. It's just a marketing ploy for boring, uncreative drivel marketed for adults who could care less about video games in the first place.

Party games are not any better. Most are shovelware made for MOAR money on the Wii.

A lot of the companies that makes this crap never makes good games and never will. They are just in it for the money!

Harvest Moon was pretty good, as is Audiosurf and Beat Hazard.
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Post by: Phlexor on May 07, 2010, 07:18:14 PM
Don't be a twat, the reason 9 times out of 10 that the games suck is because the Wii is the dominate console and the 3rd parties flock to them like flies on shit to offload their shovelware. Same thing happened to the PS1&2.
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Post by: on May 07, 2010, 08:32:58 PM
Don't be a twat, the reason 9 times out of 10 that the games suck is because the Wii is the dominate console and the 3rd parties flock to them like flies on shit to offload their shovelware. Same thing happened to the PS1&2.

This is true, shovelware and gimmicks are cancer.

Mind you, I get pissed at people who buy drek like Modern Warfare 2 - the first MW was good, this I cannot deny, especially the scene with the nuke - however, the second was complete and utter shite. For that matter, I consider Halo one of the worst things to happen to gaming in the past couple of generations - regenerating health can choke on a million dicks. True, there are situations where it an make sense, but they are far and few between.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R, ArmA, Operation Flashpoint, Supreme Commander, Morrowind, Trackmania, Uplink, DEFCON, Wipeout HD Fury, Gran Turismo, and to a lesser extent Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner are what I like in games; if you fuck up, you're fucked, and it's very possible to get into a situation you can't win - your only option is to shrug, grin and vow to kick their arses next time. Also Bad Company 2 on Hardcore mode.
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Post by: Gluey on May 14, 2010, 12:06:26 AM
Party games are fucking stupid. The only good ones would be rock band or guitar hero. But I really find the Wii lame.
I prefer my PS3 and I was glad I got a PS3 at the time instead. I got PS3 cause I was angry at Wii shortages back in '08
and a I was so angry cause I couldn't get a Wii. Now I wounder why people flock to it. It is a gimmick and it is flash theirs not much
re-playability. Wii sports resort amused me for a while and so did Punch out and Resident evil but it got boring.

I have a modded wii so if I want some stupid party game for some stupid reason i'll get it.
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Post by: Mr Smith on May 14, 2010, 12:15:34 AM
Party games are fucking stupid. The only good ones would be rock band or guitar hero. But I really find the Wii lame.
I prefer my PS3 and I was glad I got a PS3 at the time instead. I got PS3 cause I was angry at Wii shortages back in '08
and a I was so angry cause I couldn't get a Wii. Now I wounder why people flock to it. It is a gimmick and it is flash theirs not much
re-playability. Wii sports resort amused me for a while and so did Punch out and Resident evil but it got boring.

I have a modded wii so if I want some stupid party game for some stupid reason i'll get it.

The wii is rubbish, and it's going to be around for ages sadly because of how much money it's making. I wish nintendo would release a proper console.  In the mean time I will finish all my other games and look into investing in another console.
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Post by: Phlexor on May 14, 2010, 01:45:59 AM
Party games are fucking stupid. The only good ones would be rock band or guitar hero. But I really find the Wii lame.
I prefer my PS3 and I was glad I got a PS3 at the time instead. I got PS3 cause I was angry at Wii shortages back in '08
and a I was so angry cause I couldn't get a Wii. Now I wounder why people flock to it. It is a gimmick and it is flash theirs not much
re-playability. Wii sports resort amused me for a while and so did Punch out and Resident evil but it got boring.

I have a modded wii so if I want some stupid party game for some stupid reason i'll get it.

We got the Wii first mainly because I'm, a bit of a Nintendo fanboy (love me some Zelda and Mario games and now Metroid). Kart is good for a party game if you have a big enough tv like the 50" HD Plasma we have. But what gets to me is the fact that the Wii doesn't do HDMI or digital audio. Plus they need a standard wireless controller like the PS3.

What I like about the PS3 is that you don't need some Sony hard drive to upgrade it, just any old laptop hard drive. It uses standard HDMI/Optical/USB cables. Also its a fucking great Bluray and DVD player.
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Post by: Frolic_Fun on May 14, 2010, 03:00:40 AM
If you don't like casual games, then don't buy them. The Wii and DS are infested with them though, but I hold onto them because there are good games for them.

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Supreme Commander

The AI was really shite on that, although I'm tempted to get the 2nd version. Total Annihilation was a far better game IMO, and that came out in 1997. :laugh:


EDIT: Believe it or not, there are good "casual" games. Little Big Planet and Animal Crossing come to mind.
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Post by: on May 14, 2010, 06:53:30 AM
If you don't like casual games, then don't buy them. The Wii and DS are infested with them though, but I hold onto them because there are good games for them.

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Supreme Commander

The AI was really shite on that, although I'm tempted to get the 2nd version. Total Annihilation was a far better game IMO, and that came out in 1997. :laugh:


EDIT: Believe it or not, there are good "casual" games. Little Big Planet and Animal Crossing come to mind.

There was a bizarre bug with the AI if there was a Seraphim player; it'd lose it's ability to pathfind for all players.

Total Annihilation doesn't get half the love it deserves, and the fact that a 13 year old game is still as good if not better than a lot of new RTS releases is...disappointing.
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Post by: Alex179 on May 14, 2010, 06:32:34 PM
Fuckin' casuals.

I like my games to punch me in the gut and knee me in the balls, damnit - Dwarf Fortress, ArmA, Flashpoint and so on. Fuck this regenerating health bollocks that that cancer Halo made popular.
Instead of spacing health stations or med kits about?   How about having a retry feature.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: on May 14, 2010, 06:57:09 PM
Fuckin' casuals.

I like my games to punch me in the gut and knee me in the balls, damnit - Dwarf Fortress, ArmA, Flashpoint and so on. Fuck this regenerating health bollocks that that cancer Halo made popular.
Instead of spacing health stations or med kits about?   How about having a retry feature.

Could you rephrase that, I'm not sure what you mean.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Alex179 on May 14, 2010, 07:30:42 PM
Fuckin' casuals.

I like my games to punch me in the gut and knee me in the balls, damnit - Dwarf Fortress, ArmA, Flashpoint and so on. Fuck this regenerating health bollocks that that cancer Halo made popular.
Instead of spacing health stations or med kits about?   How about having a retry feature.

Could you rephrase that, I'm not sure what you mean.
Regenerating health makes games easier right?   So does a retry feature.   How about when games used to make you start over from the beginning if you died once?   The ability to save anywhere at anytime makes a game easier as well.
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: on May 14, 2010, 07:41:02 PM
Fuckin' casuals.

I like my games to punch me in the gut and knee me in the balls, damnit - Dwarf Fortress, ArmA, Flashpoint and so on. Fuck this regenerating health bollocks that that cancer Halo made popular.
Instead of spacing health stations or med kits about?   How about having a retry feature.

Could you rephrase that, I'm not sure what you mean.
Regenerating health makes games easier right?   So does a retry feature.   How about when games used to make you start over from the beginning if you died once?   The ability to save anywhere at anytime makes a game easier as well.

ArmA, Flashpoint. You die, back to the start of the mission with you. If you're playing on easy, you get one save and one save only - if you're playing on anything else, no saves.
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Post by: Mr Smith on May 14, 2010, 08:22:45 PM
No saves ruin a game tbh.

It's all about usibility.
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Post by: Alex179 on May 14, 2010, 08:29:21 PM
No saves ruin a game tbh.

It's all about usibility.
It just depends on the type of game.   If you are just trying to be as difficult and hardcore as possible, saves and retries are not good.   I prefer a save anywhere type of game, where I can have multiple saves where I made different decisions in each (like a real RPG).   KOTOR comes to mind as you can have one Sith save tree and a Jedi save tree.   Can do evil shit on one and then be a total good guy in the other.   
Title: Re: Why Casual Gaming needs to DIE already...
Post by: Mr Smith on May 15, 2010, 12:32:31 AM
No saves ruin a game tbh.

It's all about usibility.
It just depends on the type of game.   If you are just trying to be as difficult and hardcore as possible, saves and retries are not good.   I prefer a save anywhere type of game, where I can have multiple saves where I made different decisions in each (like a real RPG).   KOTOR comes to mind as you can have one Sith save tree and a Jedi save tree.   Can do evil shit on one and then be a total good guy in the other.   

I prefer games with plenty of checkpoints. I'm not going to do the same thing 20 times pretending to enjoy it when it just frustrates me.
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Post by: ZEGH8578 on May 15, 2010, 12:47:15 AM
Here's a clue: I played the demo.

And you're STILL bitching about something you didn't pay for?

What the fuck

Go to anger management or something.

i bitch a lot about games i didnt pay for.
they took me a week to download, and 3 hours to install :(
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Post by: Dexter Morgan on May 15, 2010, 01:03:45 AM
I usually don't like casual games, but Pop Cap makes some great casual games like Peggle and Plants vs. Zombies
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Post by: Frolic_Fun on May 15, 2010, 05:08:25 AM
I usually play on easy/normal because I can't be arsed. I also don't care for getting 100%/all trophies etc. Once I get to the last boss, beat him and see the credits, then that's enough for me.

Halo 1/2/3 is piss easy on all difficulty levels though.
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Post by: Alex179 on May 15, 2010, 10:35:38 PM
I usually play on easy/normal because I can't be arsed. I also don't care for getting 100%/all trophies etc. Once I get to the last boss, beat him and see the credits, then that's enough for me.

Halo 1/2/3 is piss easy on all difficulty levels though.
I have beaten all of the Halo games, but usually at the default difficulty (normal, I think).   ODST was a bit harder, only because you weren't a Spartan and not wearing that armor... so you have no regenerating health or powerful shield.   That game kinda sucked imo.   The Halo games are somewhat challenging on Legendary difficulty, but not nearly as difficult as Gears of War on its highest difficulty.. or Ninja Gaiden on Master Ninja difficulty.

I did not know that you got an Xbox360 and beat Halo 3.
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Post by: Frolic_Fun on May 16, 2010, 07:31:41 AM
I had a 360, but I sold it because I was low on money. I'll probably buy one again so I'll have all 3 consoles. :laugh: